1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a special edition holiday edition of 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: the Money Puzzle podcast. It's all about money and the movies, 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: and I hope you get a bit of time over 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: the holiday season to catch up on some movies. I 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: don't know about you. I'm a big fan of movies 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: and movies about money and business dramas of all sorts. 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: But you know, do they tell us anything useful actually 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: about making money or the whole world of business and 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: money now, believe it or not. Inside The Australian, which 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: is a broad church, we have someone Steven Rome, who 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: was a many many years ago, the business editor. He 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: is now this film critic of The Australian. So what 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: can I tell you uniquely positioned I'd like to think 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: to talk about this. Why are you Steven? 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm well, thanks Jim, thanks for having me only program. 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Love me to have you on the program. I mean, 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I do think you probably. I don't know how often 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: it's relevant at all that you were once upon a 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: time a business specialist, but it must be in the 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: way you see movies, particularly when you see money movies, 21 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: the big money movies, and I'm thinking of the major ones. 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: I hope we might start with the best money movies 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: in many people's eyes, certainly the best known ones. And 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: I think, folks, if you haven't seen it, the original 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: of the species is probably Wall Street with Michael Douglas. 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: of a better word, is good. Greed is right, Greed works, 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the yes of the 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: evolutionary spirit, greed in all of its forms, greed for life, 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: for money, for love, knowledge, as upwards through. 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Steve, And what were your impressions 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: of it? 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: Yes? I do well. 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: It came out in eighty seven, which was a fairly 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 4: tumultuous time for the stock markets, from memory and directed 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 4: by Oliver Stone and starring Michael Douglas as someone a 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 4: character who had become a kind of legendary figure in 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 4: films about the money markets, and that's Gordon Gecko, and 39 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: he is still remembered all the year later. One quote, 40 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: greed is good. And the thing with being a former 41 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: business that everould be Australian. It does help because obviously 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 4: I had to sort of exform myself about how the 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: stock market and the money market and commodities, markets and 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: companies worked. 45 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: The interesting thing about films about the financial market is 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: and the typical way of filmmaking. Almost all of them 47 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: are kind of bad stories. They're about people being too 48 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: greedy and not good enough. 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a running theme, isn't there? Moral fables? 50 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean Wall Street? There was a few things about 51 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Wall Street. The movie I'm talking about, Well, it was 52 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone, and if I recall correctly, Oliver Stone's father 53 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: was a stockbroker, so that's right. Yeah, so he had 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: this like he did have a real understanding. There's a 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: couple of minor scenes in which, to me met it 56 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: all the more real. There's a guy at one stage 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: who's been let go and he's saying to his boss, 58 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, I've got the divorces and I've got this, 59 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: and I've got that, And there's this sort of heartlessness 60 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: maybe in some of the big Hollywood movies about money 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: and about making money and how they do it. I mean, 62 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: so more recently, that's Wall Street, that Michael Douglas movie, folks, 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: which I would recommend. What else do you like in 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: more recent times? What movies do you think up to 65 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: that world? 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: Well, I think there are two that would be high 67 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: on the list, and each of them have an Australian connection, 68 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: i e. 69 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: Margo Robbie. 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: One of them is The Big Short from twenty fifteen, 71 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: based on the book by Michael Lewis, and it's about 72 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 4: moral less investments, mainly in real estate, that go wrong 73 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: and how the crisis that ensues. And who can forget 74 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: the scene where Margot Robbie is lying in a bubble 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 4: bas drinking champagne and explaining how mortgage backed bonds work. 76 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: It's like she could fill Colt to Newcastle. I would 77 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: those mortgage back bond. It's Margot Robbie was telling me 78 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: how to buy it. 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: Basically, Lewis rain Ari's mortgage bonds were amazingly profitable for 80 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 5: the big banks. They made billions and billion on their 81 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: two percent fee they got for selling each of these bonds. 82 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 6: But then they started running out of mortgages to put 83 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 6: in them. After all, there are only so many homes 84 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 6: and so many people with good enough jobs to buy them, right, 85 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 6: So the banks started filling these bonds with riskier and 86 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 6: riskier mortgages. 87 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: Thank you, Benja. 88 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 6: That way they can keep that proper machine hurning. 89 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 4: She is also in Wolf of Wall Street, the Martin 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: School's eighty film from twenty thirteen, which focuses on one 91 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: individual stock scammer, Jordan Belford, played in the film by 92 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio. 93 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: Within minutes, he had me set up with a forger 94 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: who could fake Aunt Emma's signature. 95 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: I just had to get there by tomorrow. 96 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 7: We'll lose twenty million dollars. 97 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: Now, I guess people going to Monica so they can 98 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: go to Switzerland. Okay, but her aunt just died. 99 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 6: I realize that. 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: But I have business in Switzerland. I need to go 101 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: to Switzerland right now. 102 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 4: So she did both of those films, and they're both, 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 4: I would say, in anyone's top five of financial market movie. 104 00:05:59,600 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: That's it. 105 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: Where she's in the bath with glassa champagne and it's 106 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: really glitzy, and she's explaining how mortgage backed securities work, 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: which are done right boring. But the thing is a 108 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: lot of the big business movies, that's their challenge. I think, 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: isn't it that in reality a lot of these people 110 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: are just sitting at screens. So I mean, I wonder 111 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: do they have to be better? Do the scripts have 112 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: to be better to actually make them successful because they're not. 113 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: It's not innately visual as a medium. 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the point you make is a good 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 4: one in that on the surface, investing in the financial 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 4: markets can. 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 8: Look a little boring, but a really good film like 118 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 8: The Big Short, what it does so well is explains 119 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 8: quite simply the mechanism of the financial markets and usually 120 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 8: how they're being manipulated by the traders. 121 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: And doing it with Marga Robbie in a bubble bar 122 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: drinking champagne. Well, you know you're going to be paying attention. 123 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: So it's a good way of explaining the otherwise conflict 124 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: mechanisms of the financial market. And I think it's important 125 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: to also remember, as you and I are both people 126 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: who are now living by writing, that most of these 127 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: films are based on books, and so The Big Short 128 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: was based on the book as I mentioned, by Michael LeWitt, 129 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: who's one of the best financial writers in the world, 130 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: and that happened at their interest that he'll be in 131 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: Australia in March for the Adelaide Writers Festival, right, and. 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: You know Michael Burry is still out there, you know, 133 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Steve I wrote about him the other day, believe it 134 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: or not, So Michael Burry, folks, I'm sure you know, 135 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: was the person who managed to short that is, profited 136 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: from the fallen prices in the Great crisis of the GFC, 137 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: which was sort of epicenter of all that was American. 138 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: But he's in the news again because he did it, 139 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: not a big short, but one point five billion dollars 140 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: down on that the AI stocks of today would collapse 141 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: and he would make money from them, and of course 142 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: it didn't work. So it's interesting to even that these 143 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: stories and these themes they sort of they continue because 144 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: there's always fear and greed and ambition in the market 145 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: well of wall streets. That that's exceptional, I suppose, isn't it. 146 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: It's Scorsese. Was that a book as well. 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 4: I'm not a hundred percent sure on that actually, so 148 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: I can't buy it. 149 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: But it was a true story, I mean it was 150 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: based on a true story. 151 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed it indeed it was. 152 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 4: And that's the other thing about financial market movies is 153 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 4: often they're either based on a true story or they 154 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: very closely imitate a true story. So another very good 155 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: example is wrote Treger Trader from nineteen ninety nine, which 156 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: is a made up film, but it's clearly based on 157 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: Nick Lee, the man who single handedly brought down Back 158 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: Bearings Bank, and that was a real financial scandal that 159 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: they made into a very good film. And then you 160 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: can go to sort of the more directly documentary approach 161 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: and look at a film such as Enron The Smartest 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: Guide in the Room from two thousand and five. Now, 163 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 4: I remember back in two thousand and five, sorry before 164 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: two thousand and five, when Enron was collapsing and it 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: was saying BHP is collapsing it. This is a huge, 166 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: important bastion of a company. But what emerged and what 167 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 4: emerges in the book that the film is based on, 168 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: and then the film is the whole thing with a congome. 169 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: The whole thing was a sham. And that's why I 170 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: think really scares people and also fascinate them if they 171 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: haven't lost their money, to realize that such a big, 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: important company can actually be a help of cart that's fascinating. 173 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: And as again as I said, these are permanent, perennial themes. 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: And then we will have companies I don't know, you 175 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: don't know, but there will be companies in this AI 176 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: boom that turn out to be frauds. For sure, we'll 177 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: take a short break away back in a moment. Hello, 178 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Australian Special Edition Christmas edition of 179 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: The Money Puzzle, and we are talking to Steven Rome, 180 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: who is the film critic of the Australian and not 181 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: just a film critic, but also someone who actually has 182 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: an innate understanding of business, which probably isn't that common 183 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: I among film critics. I shouldn't presume, should I, Stephen? 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: But I imagine I'm on the right track. Tell me, 185 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: looking at other movie I wanted to just widen it 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: out now on some other movies. I don't know. I mean, 187 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: what do you think is the best movie ever as 188 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: a business movie? And it doesn't have to be a 189 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Wall Street movie that tells us what we need to 190 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: know about what drives people in business. 191 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: But gee, that's a big question. I mean, I think what. 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 4: Movies about the financial markets have in common is they've 193 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: got all of the elements that get people interested. 194 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: You know, you've got kind of. 195 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: Genius, perhaps got genius used badly. You've got rises, you've 196 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: got falls, you've got tragedy, you've got comedy, you've got death. 197 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: You know, it really does fill the whole spectrum. And 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: then of course if you have a film like Wolf 199 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: of Wall Street, also've got romance, so it really can 200 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: play on all of the human emotion. And I think 201 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: that people, you know, obviously, money kind of matters to 202 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: all of us. And when we see how the money 203 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 4: can be used in fa many ways to our disadvantage. Particularly, 204 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: I think how we get very interested in film from 205 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two, Glen Garry Glenn. 206 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: Roth Lady on the play. 207 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: One of the lines in it is the rich get rich. 208 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: That's the law of the land, okay, And I think 209 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: that shouldn't be the law of the land, but most 210 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: people out there probably think it still is the rich 211 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 4: get rich. And that's the way it goes. How you 212 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: asked me what the best one was, Well, that's a 213 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: difficult question to answer. But let's go with one that 214 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: crosses over into reality. And I'm going to go way 215 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: back to nineteen twenty one and Citizen. 216 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: Kane and across as into reality and what we. 217 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: It cropes into reality in that the main character played 218 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 4: by Auston Well is a newspaper magnate, okay, And it's 219 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: clearly based on the real life newspaper magnate William Randolph Hurst, 220 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 4: and he hated this fact the film was being made, 221 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 4: and he brought all of his media power to do 222 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: whatever he could who disadvantaged the film, and so he 223 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 4: refused to take advertising for it in his newspapers, He 224 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 4: refused to allow reviews to be run, he refused any 225 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 4: mention of the. 226 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: Film in his newspapers. 227 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: So where now, all these decades, almost one hundred years, 228 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: ninety eighty years later, a lot of people think Citizen 229 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 4: Kane is one of the greatest films ever made. It's worked, 230 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 4: remembering back to how a rich person tried to stop it. 231 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: And in fact, when it was released in forty one, 232 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: it didn't do that well. I mean, it only became 233 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: as famous that it is in subsequent times. It only 234 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: won one Oscar and that was for the script by 235 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 4: Wells and and make of it, I see. But that 236 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: sort of tells you that how that film about someone 237 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: who had great control in the business world reflected the 238 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: real life control that the pin was based on. 239 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: Head. 240 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: I suppose that's the kind of a sub genre, isn't it. 241 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not putting Citizen Kane in a 242 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: subgohen because it's brilliant in many ways for many reasons. 243 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: But there is that sort of tycoonography. And when you 244 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: were saying earlier about money and big money and how 245 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: it's interesting, I suppose whatever else tycoons do. They live 246 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: big lives and they have that everything is sort of 247 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: writ large and that comes across obviously in Citizen Kane 248 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: or a movie. Some of the biopics haven't been bad. 249 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: The Aviator is one actually I often I liked, which 250 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: is about Howard Hughes. One of those you're talking about 251 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: Citizen Kane. That's a great. One of the scenes that 252 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: remember of Citizen Katan is I can't remember who it 253 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: is the chair the Chairman be Joseph Cotton or as 254 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: he's the reporter, I can't remember which. But he walks 255 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: down this corridor and there's a nameplate on the door 256 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: as the chairman, and he knocks on the door and 257 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: he says, excuse me, you know, do you have a moment? 258 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: And the chairman says, of course, son, I'm the chairman. 259 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I've got all day. Will it make to tell you? 260 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: What do chairman? 261 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 7: Do? 262 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: You often wondered, you know that is still pretty relevant 263 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: to I reckon, Hey, I'm thinking about big movies and 264 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: big characters. This was fictional, but boy, it's one hell 265 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: of a movie, and I think our listeners would love 266 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: to see if they haven't, I wonder what you think 267 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: of it. I'm thinking of There Will Be Blood, the 268 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: big Daniel Day Lewis movie a few years ago about 269 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: an oil man as he calls himself. What's your impressions 270 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: of that and what do you think it tells us 271 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: about business and investment? Because we liked I mean I 272 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: when that movie opened. I really admire this guy. You know, 273 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: the drive he had, He's out by himself, the there's 274 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: an explosion, he crause back to the town. Sheer willpower. 275 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: You have to admire that sometimes, but then, of course 276 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: it takes a darker journey after that was your presion 277 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: of that movie. 278 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: It's a great movie. Two thousand and seven that came out, 279 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: and I noticed that when various publications started listing the 280 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: greatest films of the past twenty five years, There Will 281 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: Be Blood was high on many of the lists. It 282 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: is it's about the Californian oil boom in the late 283 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: nineteenth century and early twentieth century, and yet the main 284 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: character played by Daniel. 285 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: Day Lewis started out in Silba from memory, but he 286 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: moves into oil and it's based on the novel called 287 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: Oil by Upton Lewis, and it goes directly to when 288 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: you talk about wealth, particularly national wealth, which then becomes 289 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 4: personal wealth. 290 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: Oil is still a huge deal. 291 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 4: And you've only got to think, for example, if you 292 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: want to really extrapolate, what are the mad Max films about, 293 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 4: what's the one pressured commodity in this post apocalyptic Australia 294 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: oil petrel They'll drop your head off to fill their 295 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 4: tank sort of thing. 296 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: So, yes, petrel. 297 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: Oil is still as important as it was in the 298 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: late nineteenth century the early twentieth century. And just to 299 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: go down one other path, King Winton Bladers novel Juice, 300 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 4: which is also said in the near future. Once again, 301 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 4: without getting so much away, oil is very important. 302 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Very interesting. All right, Now, we're going to take a 303 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: short break. We'll be back in the morning, folks, and 304 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: we're going to look at I just want to kick 305 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: it around a little and I'm just going to ask 306 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Stephen about some movies that tell us about business but 307 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be classified as a business movie. Back in 308 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: the moment, Hello, Welcome, back to the Australians Money Puzzle 309 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Christmas edition on money and Movies. I've got Stephen Rowe 310 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: May here from the Australian. He's the Australian's film critic. 311 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you a few movies that 312 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I found affecting in various ways, Stephen, that were not 313 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: necessarily upfront immediately obvious about business. Actually one the first one, 314 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: and you know you were talking at the start about 315 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: the majority of business movies are in a way morality 316 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: plays and invariably someone achieves great success and often they 317 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: are compromised in various ways. Going back to Wall Street, 318 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: which had a marvelous plot really, which was about how 319 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: the young guy Charlie Sheen is he's driven by his ambition, 320 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: he's picked up by this Gordon Gecko who is a 321 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: sort of Wall Street tycoon, and ultimately he is forced, 322 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: not forced, but he's put in a position where he 323 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: must betray his own dad and then it's all about 324 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: what happens after that. But sometimes not all money movies 325 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: are sort of you know, that sort of painfully moralistic 326 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: in tone. Crazy Rich Asians. That was the movie I 327 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: thought that captured glamour and they seem to be relatively 328 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: happy as rich people in that it is a wrong 329 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: comma after all, would you put that in the category 330 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: do you think it has anything to tell us? 331 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: Well, yes it does. 332 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: I mean it is a wrong common it's fun, but 333 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: you know, there's sort of still trouble within the family. 334 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: And I think what that filman others starting. 335 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: To do is to explore the fact that Asia, particularly China, 336 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 4: is becoming kind of the one of the wealth finnits. 337 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: Of the universe. 338 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: We've moved on from a film about wealth being about 339 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: oil wells and it is in there will be Blood, 340 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: It will. 341 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: Be and you know this is it. 342 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 4: I mean wealth and it is a changing parameter and 343 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 4: we're now living in different times and I think films 344 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: like Crazy Bridge Asian are definitely tapping into that. 345 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: Well. I want to mention I did mention Mad Max, 346 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: and I think I should mention an Australian film even 347 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: where an Australians place the dimension and it is The 348 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 2: Bank from two thousand and one, directed by Robert Connolly, 349 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: stars David Wenham as a genius mathematician who thinks he 350 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: can predict the movement in the stock market, and a 351 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: Lapalia plays someone running a bank. 352 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: Anyway, you can imagine how that works, sort of a 353 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: mathematmatical genius, trying to work out the stock market, people investing, 354 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: people with their money in the bank being interested in 355 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 4: investing as well. 356 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: It's not a happy story, but it's a very badful. 357 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. That's so interesting, And of course 358 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: you know that's the parallel in real life. The Long 359 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Term Credit Management was a fund which was started, oh, 360 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: twenty years ago or so, and this was their whole theory. 361 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: They had these two Nobel Prize winners on the board, 362 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: economic professors who were Nobel Prize winners, and everyone thought, well, 363 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: how can we go wrong? And well, let me tell you, folks, 364 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: we were really wrong in real life. No one's made 365 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: a movie about it just yet, but I imagine it 366 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: would suit the medium very very well. I will maybe 367 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: finish on something. And again we were asking you, which 368 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: is a bit unfair, I know, asking someone like yourself 369 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: what's your favorite movie all the time. But I'm looking 370 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: at movies and I was trying to think of movies 371 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: where they tell us a lot, but they're not necessarily 372 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: a business movie. And I did mention this to you 373 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: in advanced mother, what you told of it. The French 374 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: will be gen de Florette, which is, yes, a gorgeous movie, wonderful. 375 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: So many of these movies are based on books. I 376 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: never quite realized that, Stephen, And it seems to be 377 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: the case that the best business movies are based on books. 378 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: This was also based on a pair of books. Actually, 379 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: But you're talking about how it was all about oil. 380 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: Gendre Florette is like a movie if you were really 381 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: sort of to be banal about it. It's about water rights, right, 382 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 1: But it's really again, it's about a commodity, isn't it, 383 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: And it's about fear and greed around a commodity. But 384 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: in some ways it's it tells us as much as 385 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Wall Street does. 386 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: I think, well does then? 387 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 4: I mean we only have to go back in history, 388 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: who be where fascination and obsession with certain commodities, such 389 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 4: as the Dutch chilup scandal. 390 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: Can bring businesses and people undone. 391 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: I mean, imagine now loving everything because the viewer investsment 392 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: in flower. 393 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: But that's what happens. And perhaps Ai is a you 394 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: alluded to earlier. 395 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: Perhaps AI is the next flower that will bloom, or 396 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 4: perhaps will you wanted to know which film is not 397 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: particularly about the stock market day, but it's still about finances. 398 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: I'll choose one from almost the same time as it 399 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: didn't came also based on a novel by John Steinbeck, 400 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 4: The Grapes of Wroth. 401 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: Course. Yeah, that during the Great Depression. 402 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 4: It's about a family that has to move when the 403 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 4: place where they live and work. 404 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: Stops doing the industry. 405 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: That they're involved in, and it's about people coming to 406 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 4: terms with one of the greatest financial setbacks that can 407 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: happen are depression. 408 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 2: I would say that one is not directly about. 409 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: Money like Wall Streepia, but it's still the great film 410 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: starring Henry Fonda and anyone, and it would be people 411 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: that alive who lived through the depression would appreciate the 412 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 4: importance of it. 413 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: And I suppose that the wider theme, as you say, Stephen, 414 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: is about the decisions made at a high level and 415 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: how they affect everybody. So the decisions that are met 416 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: in federal Treasury, for instance, in US and the nineteen thirties, 417 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: and how that comes about. They think this family that 418 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: has to move from is Oklahoma, isn't that I think 419 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: over to California, Yes, amazing. I never thought of that. 420 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: We have were running out of time. I'll ask you 421 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: one last one, which I think captus. It's interesting the theme, 422 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't have the theme before we started the show. 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: But really part of it is Chased the Money and movies. 424 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: A lot of it is about fear and greed, ambition 425 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: and drive. But another part of all movies about money 426 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: is about com about commodity. We talked about water g 427 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: on there Florette, we talked about oil, There will be Blood. 428 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: And for me, the first money movie I ever saw, 429 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not that old, but the first one that 430 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: really knocked me out was The Treasure of Sierra Madra, 431 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: John Houston's first movie, I think, our first big successful movie, 432 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: and that's about three guys in the middle of nowhere 433 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: who find gold. 434 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes back. Yeah, it's a good film. It 435 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: goes back further. 436 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: Than oil in a tent in the gold Obviously the 437 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: gold rushers in the United States in Australia absolutely peoptal 438 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 4: moment in the history of those plates. But yeah, that's 439 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: what we're talking about. Commodity. 440 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Once it was Tulip's, then gold, then oil. 441 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: Now Ai he asked earlier what we can learn, what 442 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 4: we should take out of these films. 443 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, here's what I would think of. 444 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: When if you've seen Cinthan Kane, which I'm sure most 445 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 4: people have, the opening theme is the media magnate dying 446 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 4: and the thing that he remembers is not his mansion 447 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 4: at Xanadu. It's not his wealth, it's not his overseas trips, 448 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 4: it's his childhood sled Rosebud. 449 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 7: Mister Kane was a man who got everything he wanted 450 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 7: and then lost it. Maybe Rosebud was something he couldn't 451 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 7: get or something he lost. Anyway, it wouldn't have explained anything. 452 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 7: I don't think any word can explain a man's life. No, 453 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 7: I guess Rosebud just a piece and a jigsaw puzzle 454 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 7: missing piece. 455 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: So perhaps the lesson to take out of all of 456 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: this is you can't take it with you with you. 457 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: Very good, you can't take it with you. Yes, indeed, 458 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: thank you very much. That was great, Steve. I hope 459 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: you have a good holiday and I hope all our 460 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: listeners have a good holiday. Thanks for coming on the show. 461 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: Stephen Rome, film critic of the Australian Pleasure. 462 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 2: Thank you. 463 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: That was Stephen Rome who is film critic on the 464 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: Australian and that was terrific and I've never seen the bank. 465 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: That would be something I will watch over the holidays. Okay, 466 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: best to look to everybody over the break. We'll be 467 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: back very soon. Talk to you soon.