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Speaker 1: You know when you meet someone that you immediately know

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Speaker 1: Ellie Cole. I met her in reception before the episode,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you just give someone a hug and

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Speaker 1: was a good hugger, and it was like her heart's

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Speaker 1: went together and we just knew. I knew that I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize the MIC's were on. We were just chatting.

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Speaker 1: So it goes a bit all over the place, but

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Speaker 1: we do have some really pivotal important moments. Ellie Cole

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Speaker 1: lost her leg when she was three, and in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one she became Australia's most decorative female Olympic athlete

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Speaker 1: with a record breaking seventeen Para Olympic medals and ANAM

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Speaker 1: which is an Order of Australian medal. But she was

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Speaker 1: just recently on the jungle and that's when I noticed her.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm not into sport, so of course

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Speaker 1: I don't know athletes or olympians, but I have friends

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Speaker 1: in the jungle and just as excited that I was

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Speaker 1: going to have her on my podcast. And when I

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Speaker 1: found out that she loved me, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm in and I got her and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: I did, and you will be as well. Please enjoy

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Speaker 1: one of the episodes that I've enjoyed more than I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love them all, but this is just you love it.

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Speaker 1: His Ellie Cole growing up, Brothers, sisters, how many I

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Speaker 1: grew up?

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Speaker 2: There's four kids in my family.

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Speaker 3: So I have an older brother, an older sister, and

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Speaker 2: So I'm the youngest.

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Speaker 3: Identical no, not identical, but where the opposite in every

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Speaker 3: way that you really? Yes, but we we are best friends. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's kind of the opposite subtract Yang.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a yin yang relationship.

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Speaker 1: Does she do?

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Speaker 3: She's a fitter and turner, so she's an engineer and

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Speaker 3: she's on the Australian shooting team. Actually she just tried

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Speaker 3: wonderful thing about shooting is that she can, you know,

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Speaker 3: in a way. So yeah, unless her eyes, she's already

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Speaker 1: Do you wear glasses?

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Speaker 2: I had my eyes lazer after Tokyo. Did she not anymore?

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Speaker 3: Wow? It was the strangest experience I've ever had, because

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Speaker 3: you're you're conscious for the entire operation and they slow

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Speaker 1: And are they fine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great.

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Speaker 3: But I remember I had both of my eyes done

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Speaker 3: and he did my right eye first, and then he said,

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Speaker 3: I remember I was just trying to make a joke

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Speaker 4: I started laughing. He wasn't sure if he was allowed

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Speaker 1: I'm just joking And funny with people are funny with disabilities,

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Speaker 1: don't know who. I used to be a care and

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's that at all.

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Speaker 3: And all of my friends that I have great relationships,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But yeah, I think there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: So you, because you would have been brought up in

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Speaker 3: I'm so oblivious that I have one, and I always

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of my disability. You just got, I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what I thought it was. But I

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Speaker 3: I was diagnosed with cancer at two and then went

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Speaker 3: It was called a neurosarcoma, which most people, I think

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Speaker 1: Why would you get that wrong?

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Speaker 3: One year of chemo effectively, they were trying to find

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Speaker 3: But what I have been told is that my mum,

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Speaker 3: My life was going to be very different from that

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Speaker 3: I still pull the same faces when I'm not happy

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I used to pull faces like

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Speaker 1: But as a kid, I was just a pooey kid.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny that kids always think that pulling faces

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Speaker 3: It was very much like you, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: that my life wasn't going to be the same anymore.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of awful, actually, like it's very different now. I was

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Speaker 3: watching family footage a few years ago. This documentary came

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Speaker 3: It was two days after I had my leg amputated, and.

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Speaker 1: I love that you've got footage of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I said to the nurse that I just wanted my

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Speaker 3: It's so good that you're it's actually really great to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Yeah, you need to know a lot

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Speaker 3: I think, Oh, I watched that I was an ambassador

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Speaker 1: Were you same with the Paralympics are very good because

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Speaker 3: I've always loved them, I've always it obviously came from

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Speaker 3: I've loved Susi O'Neil, anthorpe Patria Thomas. I just think

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Speaker 1: I just love watching it. I always have, all right,

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Speaker 3: was my strength. And then I never got that back again.

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Speaker 3: And then I had double shoulder reconstruction and I never

442
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 3: really got my shoulders back to it swimming from swimming,

443
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: and then in Tokyo, I write for Tokyo. I broke

444
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: my right hit which I spoke to before, and I

445
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: was never able to do backstroke in the same way

446
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: because I couldn't get that cross connection again. And so

447
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: I think it was just coming back from injury but

448
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 3: never being quite the same again.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's all it was.

450
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: And when you're when you're a world class athlete, you

451
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 3: need to be at one hundred percent. You can't really

452
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: be at ninety seven percent.

453
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Why bother?

454
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Speaker 3: Well, it's not why bother, because you find you find

455
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 3: satisfaction from other areas of the sport, but if you

456
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 3: want to win again, it's extremely difficult to do that

457
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: after you have injury after injury after injury.

458
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Speaker 1: And there's such a career for you in like commentating

459
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: or being a sports ambassador that does that fulfill you?

460
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Speaker 1: Not clearly as much, but does it?

461
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Speaker 2: It does? It really does.

462
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Speaker 3: I think it was interesting in my career because I

463
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: always wanted to win a gold medal for Australia at

464
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Speaker 3: the Paralympics, and I was able to do that, and

465
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Speaker 3: then I wanted to my next big goal was to

466
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Speaker 3: break a world record, and I did that a few

467
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: times as well in my.

468
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Speaker 2: Career and how many golds have you got?

469
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Speaker 3: I won six golds in my career by the end. No, Well,

470
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Speaker 3: what was fascinating is that in Tokyo I didn't win

471
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Speaker 3: any gold medals at all. Right, I want to relay

472
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Speaker 3: silver and a relay bronze. But I've got the most

473
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 3: out of those games than I ever have because of

474
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Speaker 3: my broken hip going to those games and then COVID

475
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: on top of that, and then we also received pay

476
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: parody for the first time as Paralympins in metal bonuses,

477
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Speaker 3: I was.

478
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Speaker 1: Able to jungle that blue. I mean, it didn't amazing.

479
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised, but it makes you angry, doesn't it?

480
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Speaker 1: Fuming?

481
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: So I achieved a lot in the sport in different areas,

482
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense. I realized that winning in sport

483
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Speaker 3: is actually not that it's cracked up to me.

484
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Speaker 1: Is that a personal thing? Or is that across the

485
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: board like to others? Do you know if that's how

486
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Speaker 1: others think.

487
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Speaker 3: I think it's personal to me in a way because

488
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: I was always grown up with this mentality that in

489
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: sport you have to win it all costs, and I

490
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 3: put everything in my life on hold to be able

491
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: to be a champion. In the pool, and I was

492
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Speaker 3: miserable when I was winning because I wasn't dedicating any

493
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Speaker 3: time to other parts of my life at all. It

494
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: was it was a win or you're nothing kind of mentality.

495
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I really, you know, started dedicating

496
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: parts of myself to other areas in my life where

497
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: I became more of a whole athlete.

498
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Speaker 2: And then I stopped winning, but I.

499
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Speaker 3: Was actually happier where I was like, well, you know,

500
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: winning is great, but at what.

501
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: Costs what you spend a whole athlete.

502
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Speaker 3: I was, you know, studying, I was spending more time

503
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: with my family, it was more time with my partner.

504
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: I wasn't, you know, spending every minute that I had

505
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: in my life dedicated to my sport. Like I used

506
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: to go out to cafes or restaurants with friends after training,

507
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: and I would always make sure that I was like

508
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: I'd leave by like seven pm because I had to

509
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: be in bed by eight thirty.

510
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: Things like that.

511
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Speaker 3: You know, I started enjoying my life more rather than

512
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Speaker 3: just being an athlete. Because when I was in the

513
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Speaker 3: when I was in the middle of my most success

514
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: in sport. This is around about London twenty twelve era.

515
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Speaker 3: Everything that I did was to better myself as an athlete.

516
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Speaker 2: Everything I'm saying everything.

517
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Speaker 1: Right, So from choosing who you were with to what

518
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Speaker 1: you ate to.

519
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 2: It becomes obsessive, It really becomes, is it.

520
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: No, it's honestly, I think back in those days, I

521
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: think I had some mental illness because I was so

522
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: obsessed with winning that I just discarded everything that I

523
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Speaker 3: was as a person.

524
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Speaker 1: Would you have taken illegal drugs to win? Oh? Absolutely not,

525
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: Like you weren't that obsessive? No, what's the point? But

526
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Speaker 1: some do, don't they?

527
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Speaker 2: Yes? I think that what the why do they do it?

528
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: Those people, I think are motivated by different things. Obviously

529
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: in Olympics and now in Paralympics as well, there's obviously

530
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: can be quite a lot of money in terms of endorsements.

531
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Speaker 3: Some countries offer exorbitant prize money for gold medals and

532
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: for someone I know, China for example, offer quite a

533
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: lot of prize money. And for some families, if they

534
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: win a gold medal, that sets their family up for

535
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 3: the rest of their life. And if you can do

536
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: it without being caught, then.

537
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Speaker 1: It's a risk.

538
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: It's a risk that they're willing to take. Which is

539
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: really unfortunate.

540
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: And that's what we wouldn't really have a lot of

541
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Speaker 1: that we don't.

542
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: Get you know, don't get paid here, we get paid peanuts. Yeah,

543
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: I think that's.

544
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: A straight white man unless you're into elite men's sports

545
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: where they get paid ludicrous amounts. You know, women's sport

546
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: has just been forgotten. The sports power sports would be

547
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Speaker 1: even lower.

548
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Speaker 3: It would be so like, and particularly Olympic and Paralympic

549
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: sports because if you think about NRL and football, they're

550
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: all professional codes. They get a lot of money through

551
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: selling ad space and ownerships, and we just don't have

552
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Speaker 3: that in Olympic apparently sports.

553
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Speaker 1: It's really weird to me because I'm not into sport

554
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: that you guys would be way more inspiring for so

555
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: many people than they would be.

556
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't know, I've.

557
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: Never understood sport because you know, we're just what you

558
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: were just talking about then about you become obsessive, you

559
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: become that the best to win it all costs. I've

560
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: always thought of Olympians in a way of and I

561
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: guess just elite sports people as well. They're a different

562
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: type of person. They have an ability to get up

563
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: at four in the morning every single day that other

564
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: normal people just don't have they have a drive that

565
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: and for me to watch like a footballer who is

566
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: at the top of their game, that doesn't inspire me

567
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm never going to be that. Yeah,

568
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Like are we watching just watching a freak of nature here?

569
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: Like that's how I look at it, Like you're just

570
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: idolizing a freak of nature who just happens to have

571
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Speaker 1: a different mind than the majority of people I look at.

572
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I think disabilities, and I think that there's a whole

573
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: other level of breaking through something that you know that's

574
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: so inspiring to me that yes, you could have also

575
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: that freak of nature, you know, ability to be so

576
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: gifted at what you do, but you might not necessarily

577
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and you can still be included in this sport. Yeah,

578
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the way. And I've never really I

579
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: guess I'd rather see normal people doing extraordinary things than

580
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: extraordinary people doing are really to me boring, you know,

581
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: throwing a piece of pigskin around? Why why would I want?

582
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: You know? But so many people obsessed with watching and

583
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: they watch you like you, they own you, like they

584
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: cry for you, They get angry with you. They you are,

585
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: You're owned by them. They own you like we She's

586
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: out and you know all that team's my team. They're

587
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: my team and we lost.

588
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: I really relate to what you're saying there. I used

589
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 3: to train with the Campbell's sisters in the lead up

590
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: to Tokyo, So Kate and Bronte Campbell, the swimmers.

591
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I do know them.

592
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: You do know them well done.

593
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: So they're obviously amazing athletes in their own right, like

594
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: Kate is at the moment trying to qualify for her

595
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: fifth Olympic Games, which is crazy to think that she's

596
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: been at the top of her game for so long.

597
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: But we're always, you know, talking about the differences between

598
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: the way that the public perceived Paralympic athletes and the

599
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: way that the public perceive Olympic athletes, because you know, Olympians,

600
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: they're expected to win from our public, and I actually

601
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: feel in a way that they're not as relatable as

602
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: they are to Paralympic team because, like you just mentioned,

603
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: all of the people on the Olympic team seem to

604
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: be people who are genetically gifted or there's something you know,

605
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: within their DNA that make them such exceptional athletes, because

606
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: if they didn't have that, then they would just be

607
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: a high performing athlete, like a lot of other people are,

608
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: you know, not quite making it to that Olympic level. Yes,

609
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Paralympic athletes, the majority of us aren't genetically gifted. We've

610
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: been dealt a terrible hand or something that's happened to us,

611
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: or as some kind of adversity we've gotten through to that.

612
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: You know, some people have fifty sixty operations to be

613
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: able to step onto a block, a diving block, and

614
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: that's not relatable either.

615
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: Nobody inspire idea.

616
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: Of breaking through something that is really difficult and to

617
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: still want to get the best out of yourself. I

618
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: think people find that really relatable and it is inspiring

619
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: to watch. But there is a lot of argument around

620
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: whether the word inspirational is appropriate when it comes to

621
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: Paralympic athletes because a lot of Paralympic athletes say, I

622
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: don't want to be and it's quite quite quite a

623
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: lot your inspiration pawn, Whereas Okay, you know, we want

624
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: to be seen as obviously performing athletes. So it's kind

625
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: of like we won our cake and eat it too. Yeah,

626
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's interesting because Paralympic's Australia a few years

627
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: ago pitched this idea that they wanted to start this

628
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: trending hashtag called hashtag no Inspo, like we don't want

629
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: to be your inspiration. But I hated that it's because,

630
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: isn't it When I was training as an athlete, as

631
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: in the lead up to Tokyo and lead up to

632
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: the com Off Games, and I was in a training

633
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: session and I feel like I couldn't get any more

634
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: out of myself, like I was in excruciating pain, like

635
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 3: I just wanted it to stop. I would think of

636
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: my Paralympic teammates. I would think of Maddie de Rosario,

637
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, one of our marathon wheelchair races, her being

638
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: able to hold one hundred and eighty heart rate for

639
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: two hours, and that would get me through my training session.

640
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: So I was actually finding inspiration from my Paralympic teammates

641
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: to be able to get the best out of myself.

642
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: And so I love that people call us inspirational. But

643
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't sit well with some Paralympic athletes for whatever reason.

644
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 3: But I think that's because people see them as inspirational

645
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: because of their disability only where I don't think that's

646
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: the case.

647
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think many people do no neither. I

648
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: think inspiration comes in so many different forms. To be

649
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: inspired is to be inspired, and you've just been inspired

650
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: by people that you've been in the same industry as

651
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: that's the same as for anyone. You can be inspired

652
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: by someone you work with. You know, to say, I

653
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: don't want to be your inspo, I think is it

654
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: really negative? Like you know? But I can get it,

655
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: And I think that also lived experience is different. I

656
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: don't have that, so I have to respect where people

657
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: come from with that. But it is a shame because

658
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: they're assuming what other people are thinking about them and

659
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: it probably isn't which I think is quite or maybe

660
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: they have been.

661
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that like that's hypocritical, but

662
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: it is hypocrital in a way because.

663
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: We're assuming what you're thinking.

664
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't want you to assume what we're

665
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: capable of.

666
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's it's almost a double standard. Yeah, so

667
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: no one should assume anything about you know what assuming

668
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: does it makes an ass out? Are you and me

669
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: you have a wife?

670
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: No, we're not married?

671
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Not married? Are you going to get married.

672
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this is when I said, well like that.

673
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: When I was in the jungle, I got sledged so

674
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: hard because Sylvia. Sylvia and I have been together for

675
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: eleven years and we're not married, and so people were like,

676
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: pull your shit together, pull your ship together, Elie.

677
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: And what do you think of marriage?

678
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: I was never into it. I never wanted to get married.

679
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: What such a patriarchal thing. That's why that's a ship

680
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: of women.

681
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: That's why I was never into being married. I thought,

682
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, living.

683
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: De facto and we have a child together. Now I'm like,

684
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: that's that's fine. You know, why do we need to

685
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: get married? And I still feel that way actually, which

686
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: is why I haven't.

687
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: Which is why I'm not married.

688
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she but she really no, she really wants

689
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: to get married. And so now I'm like, well, how

690
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: about I swallow my pride and do something to make

691
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: her happy.

692
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't really make a difference to me.

693
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: Eleven years she's been by your side as you make

694
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: who you are who you are, So yeah, you can

695
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: get married to her, mate, But eleven years, how'd you meet?

696
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: We met at the London Games. Actually we met just

697
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: prior to the London Game. She worked for Paralympics Australia.

698
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: But my just memory of meeting her was in London.

699
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: She worked for the events management team.

700
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: Is she still in events? No?

701
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, she moved on from that role a

702
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: few years after we met.

703
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: And was it love first sight?

704
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't hate it first.

705
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't hated first since just whatever. No, it

706
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: wasn't even whatever. It was just I remember. Actually, now

707
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: that you know she's reminded me of this, I do

708
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: remember speaking to her on the phone. I had this

709
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: prime Minister's thing. I did do something with Julia Gillard

710
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: back when she was Prime Minister. And Sylvia rang me

711
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: one morning after training to arrange it, and I remember

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: that conversation, but I don't actually remember meeting her until

713
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: a few months later, if that makes sense. But I

714
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: met her at the London Games. I was at the

715
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: after party after the older swimming had finished, and I

716
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: was about fifteen.

717
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: Te kuila shots deep by that stage.

718
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeh girl, And so I was actually the annoying athlete

719
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: that she was trying to make sure that I got

720
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: home safely.

721
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: It was trying to get me into I was absolutely regless.

722
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I was blind as well as she carry you into

723
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: the taxi.

724
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: Well, one of her friends who I'm who is a

725
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: mutual friend of ours, her and Sylvia were arguing over

726
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: who was going to put me in the taxiv So

727
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: it was not a good impression, I will say that.

728
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: But then I didn't speak to.

729
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: Sylvia really for a couple of months, and then I

730
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: saw her again at the Paralympion of the Year awards

731
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: a few months after the Game's finished, and I took

732
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: my boyfriend at the time because I was straight shighty

733
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: one eighty until I'm at Sylvia, and so I took

734
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: my boyfriend at the time, and I remember introducing him

735
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: to Sylvia and I remember thinking that she just looked

736
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: really beautiful, like she was obviously dressed up and looked

737
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: really nice. And then, you know, a couple more weeks

738
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: past and then we just started talking on Facebook messenger

739
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: and that's kind of went from there.

740
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: So it happened digitally, really digitally. Yes, Well, later the

741
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: mutually also the mutual friend that.

742
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Was they were arguing over he was gonna put me

743
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: in the taxi. She had a birthday party in Sydney

744
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: the following January and invited me to the birthday party

745
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: and I didn't have anywhere to stay in Sydney, so

746
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: I stayed at Sylvia's.

747
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: So by that time you'd been chatting, we've been chatting

748
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: online and had it sparked then? Yes, okay, were you

749
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: still with the blow?

750
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: No? I wasn't at that stage.

751
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: But I didn't really know what I was feeling because

752
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: I grew up in a very conservative family.

753
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: YEP.

754
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: And I actually spoke.

755
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: I spoke about it with Lorena, my cousin, who was

756
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: also on Army of Celebrity, and was like, Oh, I'm

757
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: speaking to this girl right now.

758
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: I don't really know what it is.

759
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: She's a perfect girl to talk about anything, because anything

760
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: goes with Lorena. Yes, And she's like, I think you

761
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: like her, and so I was like, okay, so I

762
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: should go to Sydney then.

763
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, yeah. And what's the age difference

764
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: between Sylvia and I?

765
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Four years? And has she always been gay?

766
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: No? She hasn't either, Okay, but she had she had

767
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: had a girlfriend previously.

768
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: So she was a little bit more experienced.

769
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: She was more experienced.

770
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: She could help me you kind of figure it out. Yeah,

771
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you feel.

772
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: But it was really nice because I'd been I had

773
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: a few boyfriend I'd had a few boyfriends up until

774
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: that point, and they never like made me feel the

775
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: same way that she did. So when I felt, you know,

776
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: the way that I did with Sylvia, I was like,

777
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: this is the best. You know, I should really explore

778
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: what this is. But I, like I said, I grew

779
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: up in a really conservative family, and so I didn't

780
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: speak of it at all to anybody in my family

781
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: except for my older sister. How long for years? Like

782
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm talking six years? Really, yeah, a really long time.

783
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: And when you did, how did that go?

784
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: The only reason that I spoke to my parents about

785
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: Sylvia and I was because we'd bought a house together

786
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: and it didn't.

787
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: Go down well.

788
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: So my mum rang me and I said, you know,

789
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Sylvia and I bought house together, and then she asked

790
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: if we were a couple, and I said yes, and

791
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: she got really upset.

792
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: Initially, so where's the conservatism come from?

793
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: So my mom, my mom is, my dad isn't. But

794
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: my mum is really religious.

795
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Ye, And it's always religion, isn't it.

796
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: She assumed that if Sylvie and I were together that

797
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: I would go to hell effectively. So she was That's

798
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: where her concern was coming from. And it was a

799
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: hard conversation obviously to have.

800
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: Because I remember believing that while I'm not religious, she

801
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: didn't bring you up in that way.

802
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: She bought me I was.

803
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: My upbringing was to go to church on Sundays and

804
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: I was go to youth group, but I never resonated

805
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: with religion. I was more of a science But she

806
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: respected my views on religion growing up, growing up, and

807
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: then I respected hers. And it's wonderful to see my

808
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: parents together because my dad doesn't believe in religion at all,

809
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: my mom does and they still respect that within each other.

810
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: Okay, so go back to how your mum's reactor. So

811
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: she was truly worried.

812
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: She was truly worried. I remember a phone conversation the

813
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: next day. My mum rang me up again, and my

814
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: oldest sister at the time was going through a really

815
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: messy breakup and they have a child together. My mom

816
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: was trying to keep that family unit together even though it.

817
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: Was so bad for my sister.

818
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: And I said to Mom, said to me, you know,

819
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: you being with Sylvia, it's so bad for your soul.

820
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, like, my mom's trying to keep

821
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: my sister and her partner together even though it's it's

822
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: not so toxic, and here's someone who makes me really happy,

823
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: it makes me feel amazing about myself, and she's saying

824
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: that's bad for my soul, and so that comment in

825
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: itself really hurt me. And I was thinking, like, what's

826
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: this going to mean for my relationship with my mum

827
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: because my mum and I are really close.

828
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: So it was a hard few weeks.

829
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: But I'm really lucky that my mum has a stepmom

830
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: who is really supportive of Sylvia and I, and my

831
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: mum's best friend is really supportive of Sylvia and I,

832
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: and she obviously had a lot of conversations with those

833
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: two and it took her a while, but she's come

834
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: around to she like that Sylvia and I together and that.

835
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: We will be But how about your soul?

836
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: Oh, she thinks my soul is going to be fine.

837
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: I think her.

838
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: I've never actually sat down with her and asked her

839
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: how she feels about it now. Last year, I remember

840
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: actually being in the car and I was driving, Mom

841
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: was in the back, and Sylvia was in the back

842
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: of my mum and she asked, Silver said to mom,

843
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: how do you feel about the relationship with Ellie and

844
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: I now that a few years have passed? And Mum's

845
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: voice went up and looked dive, and I was like,

846
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: this is I was.

847
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: I hate those conversations.

848
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: I remember like just staring so hard at the windscreen,

849
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: being like, why did you ask that, Sylvia?

850
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: And Mom's like, well.

851
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't agree with it, but I've come

852
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: to terms with it.

853
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that.

854
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Feel when your mom says she still doesn't agree with it?

855
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you just put that down to religion? Not be

856
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: your mum?

857
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what I put it down to you.

858
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't really want to sit in it for long

859
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: enough to be honest. But she is accepting of Sylvia,

860
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: and that's all that I could ask for at this point,

861
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, And that obviously brought up a whole

862
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: new concern when I had to tell my parents that

863
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: Sylvia and I were expecting a baby and how that

864
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: was going to work.

865
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that go?

866
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: So that was I'm smiling just thinking about it. So

867
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: I remember I was in my apartment that the that

868
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: I was like, we're about three months pregnant, and I

869
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: was on the phone to my older sister. My older

870
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: sister knew our whole IVF journey, all the ups and

871
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: downs of what it is to go through IVF, and

872
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 3: Sylvia and I were facetiming my sister and I said

873
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: to my sister Asher, I was like, I think that

874
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: I need to tell mom and Dad tonight that Sylvia

875
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: and I expecting a little baby in February.

876
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: Because you're past that first time messay.

877
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: We passed the first trimester by that stage. Now my

878
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: dad lives in dar Well. My dad lived in Darwin

879
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: during that time, and my mom lived in Melbourne, and

880
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: they're actually very rarely together. And it was a point

881
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: in time where my parents were together and they'd gone

882
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: out to a restaurant that night. My mum had had

883
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: a few wives and she was like on clad night.

884
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: So I was like, tonight is the night that we

885
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: have to tell her perfect And so the way that

886
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: I told my parents was we facetimed them. I dialed

887
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: my sister in as well, so my sister was on

888
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: the core and I said to Mom that Sylvia and

889
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: I were expecting a third person to be living with

890
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: us in but he's not coming for another six months.

891
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: And Mom's like, what do you mean that you're getting

892
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: a new roommate. And I was like, no, it's not

893
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: a roommate. It's someone that's coming to live with us

894
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: in six months. But they're not coming for six more months, mum.

895
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't understand.

896
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: She was two sheets to the wind.

897
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: I think she's like, you in financial trouble? Do you

898
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: need someone to help pay the rent?

899
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: It was so funny, and then the penny dropped and

900
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: her face went oh oh oh, and she's like, are

901
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: you pregnant? And then she's like I was pregnant and

902
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: I said, no, Sylvia was pregnant. And then we showed

903
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: it the little scan and.

904
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: She was so excited.

905
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: She was so my mom loves babies, the good she

906
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: was on clad nine. She was yeah, very very excited.

907
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: And then she wanted like updates every single day after that.

908
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah, And that again, I find like

909
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: so many parents just change everything about them as parents

910
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: when they become grandparents. Like my dad was an awful

911
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: best grandfather. He got to redeem himself through the grandkids.

912
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: Probably Lancelot by that stage.

913
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, yeah, And it was funny because I

914
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: really resented it, Like I'd be like, why they can

915
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: they yell at you? I can't, good never yell at you,

916
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing, But.

917
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 2: I don't have the same responsibility exactly, well.

918
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: Exactly, And he his love was so abundant for them,

919
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: and I also resented that because he clearly thought he

920
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: had to be the authoritarian like a lot of parents do.

921
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: And then that that's why grandparenting is just so much

922
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: fun because they know that they can just do'te and

923
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a really good thing, whereas when you're a parent,

924
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: you're really worried about, you know, sparing the rod and

925
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: spoiling the child, so you know, you've got that and

926
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: grandparents like so it's just wonderful. That is she still

927
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: in Melbourne? My mom mom, Yeah, yeah, so you're in Sydney,

928
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: so she wouldn't get to see him as often as

929
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: she liked to.

930
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 3: No, my whole family still live down here in Melbourne,

931
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: and Sylvia and I are up in Sydney and will

932
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 3: stay up there, so we don't get to see her

933
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: as often as my parents as often as.

934
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: We would like to.

935
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: If Sylvia from Sydney yeah, she's from Sydney as well,

936
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: and I moved up there for the swim training and

937
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: I love it.

938
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: Up there, so I've just stayed.

939
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: I've come down to Melbourne quite a bit though, like

940
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: end of last year, I was coming down three times

941
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: a week frequently.

942
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get got your points up. I've got

943
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: so many frequent points.

944
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I'll use some.

945
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get Felix to become quite used to

946
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: travel because as soon as he's I'm solid. I want

947
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: him to come down on little day trips with me

948
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: and to spend time with Mum because Mama is obsessed

949
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: with him.

950
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with him.

951
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: He's gorgeous, isn't he.

952
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: He's divine. He likes you, he does, of course he does.

953
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: It's a good little barber. I could talk to you

954
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: forever and I probably will now we're friends. Yeah, definitely,

955
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that you come to Melburn all

956
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: the time. I thought you're up in Sydney though I'm

957
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: a Sydney now yeah, but I live in Melbourne now, okay,

958
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: so I the opposite. I love living in Melbourne, Like

959
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Melbourne is more me than Sydney. Ever was so, you know,

960
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: and I grew up in a sporting family, and I

961
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: was the black sheep. I was the creative, dramatic, you know, nerd, drama, nerd,

962
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: and so everyone was all about watching sport. I was

963
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: never allowed to watch young Talent time. Thank you so

964
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: much for coming on.

965
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, I really enjoyed it.

966
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Come back in a year.

967
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: Come.

968
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I've just started having guests coming back a year later.

969
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: I've only done one so far because I only started

970
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: my interviewing women a year ago. So it's a bit

971
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: of a where are you now in a year's time,

972
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: It might be around the same spot. You probably may

973
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: not have gotten much further, but Felix will have. So

974
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: let's talk about him in a year.

975
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 2: See if he still loves me, maybe you can interview

976
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: him as well.

977
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: I will.

978
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: What's she like as a mother?

979
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and he'll just be at that age of going nope, nh.

980
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: In a pragic child.

981
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah no he is.

982
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Had a

983
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: good time.