WEBVTT - Sharri | 9 July 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.760 Thanks Andrew well, as Shari revealed would happen on this 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.680 program in April, Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi today announced a 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:12.719 Special Envoy on anti Semitism. Lawyer and businesswoman Gillian Siegel, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.960 who Shari also said was the front runner for the GIG, 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.800 has been appointed to the role. This was the Prime 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.759 Minister this morning. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.480 The government has made the decision to appoint a Special 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:30.840 Envoy on anti Semitism as part of those ongoing efforts 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:36.479 to promote social cohesion. That Gillian will advise myself and 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.800 the Immigration and Multicultural Affairs Minister, but also engaged with 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:41.560 the community. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:42.919 Now. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.760 The idea is that the Special Envoy will report directly 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.720 to the PM, and not just the Multicultural Affairs Minister, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.000 which happens to be the illustrious Andrew Giles, with advice 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.080 on issues of anti Semitism and to publicly campaign against it. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.000 Miss Siegel, sorry, is pleased to be taking up the role. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.120 Anti Semitism erodes all that is good and healthy in 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.520 a society. As such, it poses a threat not just 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.199 to the Jewish community but to our entire nation. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.200 But of course, Albaniz he couldn't just appoint an Envoy 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.320 for anti Semitism, because there's been an explosion of that 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.560 since October seven. No, he had to also flag that 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.080 a special Envoy on Islamophobia was also on the way. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:34.160 Shortly, we'll also be announcing an envoy on Islamophobia. That 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.880 will be important as well, playing a similar role working 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.520 with that community to promote social cohesion. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.400 Now it doesn't matter what this bloke does, no matter 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.440 how much he tries to look like he actually cares 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.200 about anti Semitism. He has to keep the Muslim voters 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.920 of Western Sydney sweet. He wouldn't want to jeopardize those 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.960 votes by just being honest. It's a bit like when 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.640 one kid gets a LOTPTP because I don't know they 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.080 needed for school, and the other kid has to be 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.000 given something as well, otherwise they'll complain that their sibling 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.000 got something and they felt left out, even though they're 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.840 not really deserving of anything. And let's just get this 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.560 out of the way. I don't like the term Islamophobia. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:21.200 It's not about being scared of Muslims, which phobia would imply, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.680 and that term is most often used to describe genuine 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.240 criticism of Islam and its doctrines. What we should be 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.360 talking about here is hatred. But let's be real. I'm 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.080 sure there are individual cases of anti Muslim hatred and 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.280 anti Muslim attacks in this country, no doubt, just as 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.799 there would be individual examples of hatred and attacks against 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:47.720 people of every single religion and ethnicity. That's just the reality. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.840 But you haven't seen any mass uprisings of anti Muslim hatred. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.480 You haven't seen tens of thousands of people gathering in 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.040 the streets and in parks to shout anti muslim slogans 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.200 that effectively call for the removal of Muslims from the 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.080 Middle East. But of course we have seen tens of 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.120 thousands of people gathering in streets and in parks to 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.680 shout anti Semitic slogans like from the River to the Sea, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.560 which effectively call for the removal of Jews from the 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:19.640 Middle East. Or there is only one solution into Farda revolution, 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.040 which implies that violence must be used to resist Israel, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.640 because of course the second into Farda was marred by 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.680 suicide bombings and the targeting of Israeli civilians, And of 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.320 course you had the events of October nine on the 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:44.240 steps of the Sydney Opera house, gas the Jews, where's 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.800 the Jews? Whatever you think it is, it doesn't really matter. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.920 You had a large mob of angry men in one 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.119 place shouting if the Jews and where's the Jews? I mean, 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.800 why do you think they were saying? Where's the Jews? 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.120 They're not inviting them down to the opera house for 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.119 some champagne before the opening night of Karmen, are they? 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.800 And then you have the hate preachers who have gone 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:13.200 effectively unpunished. Well, Lah, they don't love us and they 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.520 wish they can kill all of us. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.360 You Muslim in Australia, carrying the citizenship, your blood means 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:21.320 something else to them. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.520 If the Australian government like it or not. If you 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.240 likes that are not if they were to depart me 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.719 from Ausselia or not, did you hurt? 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.760 Is the solution for the Umna, and there's no other 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:42.680 way to defend the Muslims and raise This is a humilation. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.800 From the Ummah. But finding in the sake of a 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.440 loss of Hannah. That same bloke brother Ismael said that 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.760 at the end of times the trees will speak and 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.840 tell the Muslims to kill the Jews. Now you can think, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.680 can you think sorry of any equivalent event in the 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.920 other direction. Can you Can you think of a single 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.080 example of a big pack of Jewish men gathering and 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.960 shouting where's the Muslims? Willing them to come down for 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.359 a fight? Every rally in support of Israel, and there 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.200 haven't been that many of them has been a peaceful 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.200 gathering calling for the release of hostages. I mean, can 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.400 you think of a single violent slogan or chant that's 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.760 been shouted by supporters of Israel. Can you think of 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.920 an Australian rabbi who's called for the death of Muslims. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.760 The point is that yes, anti Muslim hatred does exist, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.000 but it doesn't exist on the grand public scale that 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.320 anti Semitism has for the past nine months. And drawing 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.000 an equivalence between the two by saying we need a 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.679 special envoy for his amophobia to complement a special envoy 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.320 for anti Semitism is garbage. And of course Albanezy knows 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.040 that this has all gone on for too long. We 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.000 know how he really feels. He's a longtime supporter of Palestine, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.440 but he knows most people aren't so sympathetic, and that 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.359 under his watch, anti Semitism has been a big problem. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.320 So he kind of has to be seen to be 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.960 doing something, even if it's nine months late. Not that 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:16.080 he's willing to take any responsibility, if you can confuse. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.000 Much as flat members of the opposition, the members of 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.039 the Jewish community, Holocaust survivors of not taking a strong 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.520 enough leadership and sending these messages when it comes to 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:31.080 the conflict the outside and pomatism, do you take responsibility 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.880 for all contributing. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:33.839 To the smiling. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:40.080 It's a fairly provocative question. What I take responsibility for 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.760 is my actions, which has been principal. My actions have 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:52.000 opposed the decision, the actions, the terrorist action of Hamas 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.159 on October. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:57.320 Seventh, the Prime Minister talking to our own Caroline Marcus 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.160 there and just as the Prime Minister needlessly open divisions 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.800 with the Voice referendum, he allowed a foreign conflict to 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.719 open wide divisions in this country. Now he's scrambling to 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.920 look like he's doing something because he knows it's too 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.360 far gone. And look, there probably is some merit in 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.480 a special envoy on anti Semitism. It's essentially an advisor 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.560 to the PM. But then you could ask how blind 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.920 is the bloke if he couldn't see what the rest 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.360 of us have been able to see for the better 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.680 part of a year. But you have to ask the question, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.360 what is this actually going to achieve? Okay, so we 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:39.160 have a special envoy, what next? What actually changes? Is 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:44.200 anti Semitism solved overnight? Is Albanize suddenly willing to close 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.800 the divisions that he allowed to open. We already have 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.880 a Human Rights Commission which has the Race Discrimination Commissioner, who, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.080 by the way, is on three hundred and eighty four thousand, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.760 nine hundred and seventy dollars a year. Why isn't a 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.600 publicly funded commision or nearly four hundred k whose job 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.080 is to deal with racial discrimination up to the job. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.720 Do we really need to call someone else in instead? 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.960 I mean, look, this is at least an acknowledgment of 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.680 the scourge of anti Semitism, and I'm sure many in 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.680 the Jewish community will be pleased to see it. But 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.560 call me cynical. I just don't know how much this 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.440 will actually achieve. To me, it smacks of desperation to 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.840 look like you're doing something without really doing much. The 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.319 same as every time a problem comes up and a 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.560 government commissions an inquiry now, Look, there might be some 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.840 merit in investigating a problem further, but we have a 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.400 problem here now and it needs to be dealt with, 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.040 at least in part. Now. Inquiries allow cans to be 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.320 kicked down the road, and I suspect this envoy will 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:55.080 become Albanese's catch all for anti Semitism, much like those inquiries. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.840 Oh look, I can't be doing anything wrong. I'm listening 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.400 to my envoy that time and waiting for advice. Johnny 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.559 Mathies and Denise Williams once sang a song, good song 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.320 called too much, too little, too late, and I think 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:17.960 on all three counts this ticks the box. Also tonight, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.760 another foreign criminal has been freed under Andrew Jarles' bungled 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.560 n z YQ ruling. We'll get into that. Plus Day 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.800 two of lockdown is underway in Alice Springs. Will cross 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.480 live to the troubled out back town to see how 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.400 the community is faring, and I'll be joined by former 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.200 Victorian top cop kill Glare on the latest drug scandal 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.960 plaguing the AFL. Well now to new developments in the 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.680 alleged political cover up behind the Britney Higgins saga. In 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.240 twenty twenty one we heard both Katie Gallagher and Penny 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.319 Wong initially standing by the fact that they had no 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:57.040 knowledge of Britney Higgins's rape before the story broke. I 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.680 was told by one of your senators two weeks before. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.200 About what you were intending to do with the story 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.640 in my office two weeks before. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.520 I had no knowledge of this. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.479 No one had any knowledge. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.280 Okay, how dare you order now? 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.120 We will move yourself. 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.360 But that, of course wasn't true. The following week, Katie 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.520 Gallagher fronted the Senate to admit she knew more than 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:24.400 she initially led on. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.360 I was provided with information in the days before the 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.360 allegations were first reported, and I did nothing with that information, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.239 absolutely nothing. I was asked to keep it to myself 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.080 and I did. I was not involved in any way 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:42.520 with a story that went to air. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.040 But now there are new revelations after The Australian obtained 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.600 an updated statement of claim from Senator Linda Reynolds, which 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.319 alleges Ms Higgins and mister Charaz Drip fed false information 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.640 to Senators Gallagher and Wong as part of an effort 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.640 to destroy her career. She says quote they were published 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.520 in furtherance of a plan by the defendant and mister 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.040 Shiraz to use the defendant's allegations of a rape and 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.280 the political cover up as a weapon to inflict immediate 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.440 political damage upon the plaintiff and then government. Joining me 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:21.000 now to discuss the latest is Sam Macedoni from Macedoni Legal, Sam, 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:27.240 what exactly has this statement of claim from Linda Reynolds elucidames. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.920 Well, it makes it quite clear that there were and 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:35.719 were discussions prior to it becoming public between Shiraz and 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.080 members of the Labor Party to wise them up in 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.200 relation to this story that was going to break. And 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.920 of course since then they've alleged that there was an 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:52.520 attempt by Senator Reynolds to cover up the allegation of 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.520 the rape under hassle or put pressure on Brittany Higgins 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.880 not to make it public. That's been proved be incorrect. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.600 Justice Lee in the Federal Court said quite clearly that 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.040 this allegation of a cover up just did not exist. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.040 In fact, he said, the facts on that were pretty short, 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:16.760 but they were pretty large on speculation, So there was 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.600 just nothing there. But yet this is something that has 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.720 now been uncovered by Senator Reynolds in this matter, in 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:29.640 particular the giving of information. For instance, the pre recording 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.960 of the Project interview was made known to them to 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.760 allow them ammunition to attack Senator Reynolds in Parliament over 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.720 this allegation. Of course she denies it. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.320 Yeah, and obviously all of this will be tested in 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.720 the processes the defamation proceedings that are currently going on 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.880 between Linda Reynolds and mister raz and Ms Higgins. But 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.240 if this is correct that it was being used as 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.679 a political hit job, and I don't mean the political 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.839 hit job that Miss Higgins had perhaps suggested the cover up, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.160 but a hitjob against Reynolds and the government. What do 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.560 you think that means for the former government, the Labor Party, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.880 in particularly people like Wong and Gallagher. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.760 Well, part of the statement of claim indicates that there 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:20.000 were meetings between Chiraz and our Prime minister. So to 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.920 me that is a very worrying thing to think that 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.040 people of that height in the Labor Party were getting 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:32.680 together to plan something that would derail the then coalition government. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.560 I know that mister Morrison's going to give evidence in 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.360 these proceedings if they come to trial on the second 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.240 of August. So there's a lot to be heard, I think, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.880 and will be surprised with what comes out. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.560 Yeah, and the whole thing. I mean, I've said so 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.760 many times I'm not the only one that pretty much 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.080 anyone who's touched this case has failed to come out 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:58.000 unscathed in some way or another. And of course we 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.120 had the defamation trial, which you know, in some ways 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.319 was highly damaging to Lehreman and in some ways highly 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.160 damaging to Miss Higgins as well, because of course Justice 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.160 Lee did not find her to be the most convincing 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.800 witness he had ever come across. But I think there's 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.160 still a question in the back of a lot of 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.560 people's heads in the public that we need a full 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.360 inquiry into all of this, because we've still got that 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.960 sum of money that was paid to Miss Higgins by 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.760 the Federal government's compensation for her treatment when she worked 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.520 in Parliament House, and this does nothing to dissuade a 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.480 lot of people from thinking, well, there's still a lot 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.440 of questions to answer. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.320 Well, the big question is why was she paid, because 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.000 you know, it was paid on the basis that she 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.000 was damaged by things that was said by members of 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.080 the Liberal Party. But the judge, Justice Lee has said 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.800 that just didn't happen. I mean, even he questioned, I 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.920 think the need to make a payment to her. I mean, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.440 it's a very complic cad story. But I think that 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.440 we haven't heard the end of it yet, and there's 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.720 still a lot more to come out of it, and 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.160 I don't think we've really got anywhere near the basic 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.720 understanding of what happened and who said what, and what 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.160 were the reasons for these discussions. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.480 In a case like this, given of course, that it 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.640 is so intrinsically linked to politics, was it basically impossible 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.360 for it to not be politicized in some way? 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.800 Look, I think it was. I mean, basically, if there 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.880 was a straight out allegation by miss Higgins to the 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.600 police that she had been raped, and it was left 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.000 at that level, that is police level, without involving members 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.400 of the parliament and suggesting that some people were trying 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.200 to cover it up, and otherwise it would have been okay. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.800 But they've made it political, which gives weight to the 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.720 fact that what Senator Reynolds is now saying is that 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.480 there was a bit of a conspiracy and a bit 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.440 of a planned to drip feed information that was going 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.400 to damage the Coalition Party. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.680 And of course you know that the reason we're talking 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.920 about all of this is the defamation trail that's coming 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:08.160 up between Miss Reynolds and Miss Higgins and mister Charaz 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.400 that's meant to kick off next month. Justc it's a 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.360 short praises of where all that's sitting at, what it 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:12.920 will look like. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.360 Well, the case is set down for hearing on the 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.440 second of August. It's been allocated four to six weeks 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:24.040 to be completed. There've been a series of mediations that 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.560 have taken place to try and have the matter resolved, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:31.520 but that mediation has not been successful. I know that 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.560 Senator Reynolds simply wants Higgins and Shiraz to admit they 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.960 were wrong and to apologize for what they've done. I 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.880 have no idea about any monetary compensation that's being sought, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.480 but at this stage nothing, there's no resolution. So I 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.200 think it'll go to trial and we'll have very much 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.360 the same story that we had with the Lehman defamation case. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.480 It'll all come down, things will be dug deep down, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.600 and who knows what will come out of it at 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.840 the end of the day. I don't think anyone will 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:01.920 come out of an unscathed. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.720 I think you're one hundred percent right, and it's one 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.520 hell of a story that just keeps on rolling off. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.720 Sam Macedoni, thanks much for you never stops giving well. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.000 Alice Springs residence at tonight, facing a second night under 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.920 curfew following a dramatic surge in crime and violence, including 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.840 a horrific brawl including four police officers on Saturday night. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.639 Let's head over there now, where a Senator Nampa jimper 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.360 Price joins us. Senator, you of course have spoken out 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.040 about the fact that this is not the be all 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.720 and end all, this curfew. You need to work a 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.720 lot harder on the route causes. But how is the 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.040 feeling in the community over there at the moment. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.000 Well, it's the usual sort of you know, the community's 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.000 sick to death of the crime that's been committed over 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.359 and over again. You know, people from Alice Springs don't 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.360 feel safe at night. When we go to bed at night, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.439 we listen for every sound. You know, could this be 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.280 someone breaking into our high home. We know that our 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.240 police force is under the pump, and there doesn't seem to. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.240 Be any real reprieve. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:11.240 Sure there's another curfew but it's not actually addressing the 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:16.320 underlying problems that need to be dealt with within our community. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.879 Well, of course, the curfew will end tomorrow night. It 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.440 will be the last of this seventy two hour lockdown, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.960 so you essentially go back into exactly the same position 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.199 as you were before. I know, the Police Commissioner can 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.080 then ask to extend it for potentially another seven days. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:38.159 But really it's not achieving much, No, it's not. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.440 And we're still even when the lockdown is lifted. I mean, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.840 we still have to make sure that we get all 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.280 our shopping done before seven pm every night because the 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.680 major supermarkets closed down because it's unsafe to shop after 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.960 seven pm when they used to be open till about 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.120 ten pm. And you know, our young people they don't 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.600 have the sort of upbringing in this town now as 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.359 certainly I did when I was younger. You could feel 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.560 safe going with your friends to the cinema. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:06.720 It's school holidays. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.960 So other young people feel like they don't get the 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.320 opportunity to just live freely in a community because of 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.400 the behavior, the crime that's been committed by others. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.480 I know. Marian Scrimgore had spoken out in support of 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.160 a curfew. But where's the Prime Minister Anthony Alberisi, Where's 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:32.159 where's the Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Bernie. They seem to 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.879 be very quiet on this issue, but we're very vocal 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.760 about the voice, but very quiet on this right now. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.640 Yeah, absolutely quiet. And they don't have a clue. They 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.879 absolutely do not have a clue as to how to 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.480 deal with these really difficult issues in places like Alice 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.760 Springs and remote communities because they're utterly removed from the 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.560 circumstances and they're not prepared to sit down and understand 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.119 the reality of what goes on within our communities in 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.280 out back Australia. And that's just that's the reality of it. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.000 The sooner we get rid of this government, the sooner 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.840 we can actually start applying some serious measures going forward 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.159 to alleviate some of these problems and to help our 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.879 most marginalize in practical terms. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.600 And you know it frustrates me, and I know it 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.760 frustrates you as well, Senator, But to watch people talk 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.480 so much, and by people, I mean those like the 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.760 Prime Minister and Bernie, to talk so much about how 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.000 they care about Indigenous affairs and they want the best 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.560 for indigenous people and the rubber hits the road and 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.959 they really do nothing about it. And then you have 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.240 people like you and me who others you know, spuriously 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.960 claim to be racist in some way sitting here saying no, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:50.639 hang on, like these are the lives of children initially 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.760 and then adults who get ruined by a lack of 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.280 intervention and a lack of help and no jobs and 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.480 not going to school, etc. And we're trying to say 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.520 is that if you really want to help people, you've 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.320 got to help them from the start, and you get 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:06.600 shouted down for doing it. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.880 That's exactly right. I mean, this labor government, the alban 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:16.359 Ezy government, the territory government, want to maintain Aboriginal people 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.040 on welfare, on dependent on governments instead of allowing them 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.720 to stand on their own two feet and creating real 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.800 jobs out on communities, not a jobs program, but actually 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:31.080 opening up for economic development opportunities in remote communities so 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.240 that there's not this double standard going on. You know, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.359 if life got better out of communities, we wouldn't have 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.720 the influx of people in our towns, you know. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:40.800 Using the services. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.879 And you know what, the territory is a haven for 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.800 service providers as well. They siphon off the government just 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.600 as much as everyone else. This whole structure needs to 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.520 be changed, and the alban Ezy government is certainly not 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.760 prepared to listen or make those changes. They continue down 0:21:58.800 --> 0:21:59.960 the same old, same old. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.359 Well, it's forty odd billion dollars a year, isn't it. 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.719 We spend on what I call the indigenous industry and 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.159 what do we get for it? Very little? Now. I 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.120 mentioned Linda Bernie before she was asked by the ABC 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.439 this morning if she believed that the Coalition would support 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:18.840 a Truth and Justice commission. Here's what she had to say. 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:27.040 Well, the Opposition has played an absolute spoiler's role in 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.080 my view in a visional affairs. I mean it was 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:36.199 traditionally bipartisan issue for many years across the Parliament. I 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.520 don't feel like it is now. I feel very very 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:40.560 sorry about that. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:43.520 A spoiler's role, Senator. 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:51.840 Look, yeah, absolutely, I'm quite happy to spoil the program 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.360 of the elites and to actually prioritize our most marginalized. 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.320 If in fact, a Truth and Justice commission actually ensured 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.000 that anal kid in a remote community avoided sexual abuse, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:09.160 domestic violence, got an education, finished high school well, then absolutely, 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.520 I'll be all for it. But the truth is a 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.480 Truth and Justice Commission is just about creating yet another 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.960 blot of bureaucracy and paying people six figure salaries who 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.119 live in places far, far away from remote communities. So 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:26.360 I'm sorry, Linda Bernie if that upsets Labor. If I'm 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.239