WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 21 July 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.120 From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well, 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.680 good evening, welcome to the program. Thank you, Denika and 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.480 James Palmerray live here James Borrow filling in one last 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.280 time for the great man himself, Paul, who will be 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.480 back in the man Cave tomorrow night. I promise, canned, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.920 rested and ready, but do not fret, because I get 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.720 tell you what. It's a super special Sunday Night here 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.280 to kick off the week. In a little while, I'll 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.120 be joined by the Great Jacintha Price, Yes you love her, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.959 who has a new project she wants to tell you 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:42.320 all about. Plus Adam Creighton from Washington, DC on all 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.680 the US madness and you're not going to believe who 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.279 some people are talking about could be the next Democrat 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.560 nominee for president. Plus our great Sunday Night duo, Christi 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.360 mcsweety and Lisa Goddard. But first, you know what, let's 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.040 check in the Donald, shall we lessen? A week after? 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.840 A madman, A madman, by the way, about whom strangely 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:12.240 little is yet publicly known go figure try to kill 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.240 the once and likely future President Donald Trump was out 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.800 there today. The man literally as Teddy Roosevelt famously put 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.400 it in the arena. He had this to say, which 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.240 I think is going to be the crux of his 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:32.880 whole campaign going forward. They keep saying he's a threat 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.240 to democracy. I'm saying, what the hell did I do 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:41.920 for democracy? Last week? I took a bullet for democracy? Well, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.560 that's right. It's good to see he hasn't let copying 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.320 a bullet in the old hereflap get him down if 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.240 you would turn off those cameras, because I don't want 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.560 to see the screen up there of me. That's very severe. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:58.080 That come over, that's his That's a severe sucker. What's 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:03.040 with that one? It looks okay from the other side, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:10.360 but that is very severe. I apologize, man. I looked 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:16.680 up there. I said, whoa, look at that. Wow, that's 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.399 like a work of art. I should have so much 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.080 hair to comb over. Now, speaking of the shooting, though, 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.760 that assassination attempt, a couple of more developments got to 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.880 share with you on that front, which we'll be going 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.560 into a bit more deeply later on in the show. Namely, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.040 and here's the thing, the Trump campaign, it turns out, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:42.399 had been asking the US Secret Service for more protection 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:48.959 for some time but apparently it had been denied. Now 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.119 this is pretty big news because the government had been 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.480 claiming no, no, no, that's nonsense. We never got any 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:02.600 requests for more protection. Oh really, Well, here's the Secretary 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.320 of the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Bojorkis, who has 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.040 ultimate oversight of the Secret Service. Just a week or so. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.880 Ago, Republican Congressman Mike Walls, he sat on social media 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.640 on Saturday, and I'm going to read this for you 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.600 because it does talk about you, Secretary. I have very 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.800 reliable sources telling me that there have been repeated requests 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.440 for stronger Secret Service protection for President Trump, denied by 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.560 Secretary Majorcis. Your department has already pushed back on that, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.160 calling that absolutely false. But he is putting this on you. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.320 Can you respond to that please? 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:43.520 Well? That is yeah, that's a baseless and irresponsible statement 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.080 and is one that is unequivocally false. Well, as Jerry 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.680 Springer used to say, rest in peace. Jerry, the lie 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.000 detective determined that was a lie. Oh and here's the 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.320 chief flak for the US Secret Service, Anthony Googly. Emmy, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.920 get a load of this guy. Just last week he tweeted, quote, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.040 there's an untrue assertion that a member of the former 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:14.120 president's team requested additional security resources and that those were rebuffed. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:20.960 This is absolutely false unquote. Well, ah, that's funny because 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.240 now the New York Times is reporting, just as we 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.600 went to air that actually the Secret Service is turning 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.240 around and saying, oh, yeah, no, actually, yeah, we didn't 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.479 get those requests. Anyway. The number two bit to this here, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.560 Kimberly Cheetle, the head of the Secret Service, remember her, Well, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.240 guess what she is due to testify before Congress on 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:45.240 Monday US time. And ain't that gonna be interesting? I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.040 think she's going to be asked all sorts of questions, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.880 and I hope top among them is why and how 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.440 the Secret Service in the cops managed to identify the 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.920 shooter as a person of in somebody who was carrying 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.800 around a range finder, somebody who apparently managed to hide 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.719 a gun on the site, and they identified him as 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:14.440 a person of interest a full hour before Trump took 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:22.400 the stage, and then did precisely zero, zilch nothing about it. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.240 They let Donald Trump go up there and speak. They 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.880 didn't pull them off the stage where they saw there 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:33.600 was a problem. Frankly, if she doesn't fall on her sword. Well, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.600 I think that's exactly why people are so cynical about 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:43.360 Washington at willing and really excited about voting Trump. Now 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.880 also happening Monday in the US, and I know this 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.200 is very US heavy and we will get to all 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.880 the ausy news coming up, so don't worry about that. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.080 But there may be news on Monday. We may have 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.680 a decision from Joe Biden as he answers the question 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.600 first post more than forty years ago by the clash, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.640 should I stay or should I go? I won't say it. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.880 I have been told by multiple sources that we could 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.080 have an announcement that quickly from the President as to 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.760 whether or not he will stay in the twenty twenty 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.839 four race. But guess what, I love my sources, but 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.719 they're not always right. I could be wrong about this, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.800 and if I am, I will cop it sweet. But 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.640 I don't think he goes on Monday. In fact, I 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.400 think Biden still may not go at all. Why Well, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.760 first of all, there's no succession plan yet. The Democrats 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.080 are totally divided as to whether they coronate Kamala Harris, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.960 a nominee as scenes that must resemble the Death of 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:59.400 Stalin play out in the White House. Number two. Benjamin B. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.120 Bingety is coming to Washington this week to address Congress. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.640 And that's the thing here. Joe Biden hates nendan Yahoo 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.240 like Biden hates net Yaho's so much like to the 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.240 extent that net Yahoo is more likely to be sending 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.120 silly memes back and forth with fatima payment than he 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.720 is to get a war welcome from the President if 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.160 the president that is, can remember who net yahoo is, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.680 which may be a bit of an open question at 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.480 this point. Now. So the point this is that he 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.520 doesn't want Biden doesn't want to give net Yahoo the 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.080 satisfaction of being there in town when this great concession 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:47.600 comes down, and finally there's this. It's the biggest question 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.320 I think of all If Joe Biden is to continue 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.920 as president for the next six months but not as 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.720 the nominee, they need a damn good answer to the question, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.720 why is it that he is still okay for running 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.080 the most important job in the world. And I'm talking 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.360 about the one with the nuclear codes and all of 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:17.040 that stuff, particularly as the talk around town talks to 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:25.360 dementia Parkinston's disease, and all the journalists and politicians who 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.240 hid the fact that Biden was on the slide now 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:34.080 tell ever more lurid stories about his troubles to create 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.200 the atmosphere to pressure him to get out of the way. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.560 So it's all very anti democratic, I think, and I 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.600 think it's kind of ironic that the Democrat Party calls 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.520 itself such because it's not the people who are choosing 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.880 the leader anymore. They rushed Biden through that primary, and 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.079 now they want to put in somebody else. Well, watch 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.040 this space. I tell you things are only going to 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:06.199 get weirder. Now, let's get into all of this now 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.079 with my Sunday Night panel, Christy mcsweey from the pr 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.560 Council and Lisa Goddard from a Dotty Media. Welcome to 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.520 you both. First of all, we got to do a 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.600 bit of Biden. I'm sorry. I know that this is 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.040 the big topic, but it is the biggest story in 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.600 the world, which is some people are saying as I say, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.880 I don't necessarily agree that Joe Biden is going to 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.920 get out of the president's race. He's given no indication 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.920 he wants to go. We all know Joe Biden is 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.280 a stubborn man, but it seems every day a new 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.520 call comes for him to drop out. Christiy mcsweey. Let's 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.640 start with you stay or go? A should he and 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:42.640 B will he? 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.960 Well, I think yes, hey short, that's become evident, And 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.480 of course it's become increasingly evident that there is been 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:59.800 significant cover up about his physical stat of decline, if 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.640 not mental state of decline for some time, which has 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.440 been now exposed for the international media to see on 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.680 that debate stage and followed up for the international media 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.199 to see again at the so called Big Boy press 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:22.800 conference NATO. But the language being used is so peculiar. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:28.000 Right now, you have Donald Trump, whose marga movement as 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.319 they call it. They don't call it a political party, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:35.880 they call it a movement talks about the elites and 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:41.160 being anti elitist, and the elites versus hard working Americans. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:46.480 Now the Democrats themselves are talking about the elites in 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.760 the context of those who lead the Democratic Party trying 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.920 to overthrow Joe Biden to make decisions around that. Joe 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:00.160 Biden himself has used the term the elites think I 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:05.560 run Washington. So everybody who's using Trump language for really 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.240 different reasons at the moment. And of course it's been 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:14.880 a may kulper for MSNBAS and Morning Joe and other 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.000 types of Democrat heavy media, hasn't it who are now 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.680 joining the chorus of these thirty five Democrats House and 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.160 congressional Democrats who've come out and said he has to go. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.640 But here's the thing. I mean, Lisa God, that's a 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.440 great point you make about the media and how they've 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.360 all basically gas lit everybody. But you know, these are 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.320 the same people who literally a month ago were saying 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.000 that when shows like by US Report and you know, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.840 people on other networks showed clips of Joe Biden, you know, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:49.520 stumbling missing words, forgetting people's names in press conferences, confusing 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.960 you know, Mexico with Egypt, as he did during that 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.280 other press conference when he was trying to prove that 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.480 he was not suffering from dementia, as the Robert Hill 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.760 report into his classified documents suggested. How is it that 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:08.160 we can trust these media sources that have just turned 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.240 on a dime, because clearly they knew they'd watched, if 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.920 they'd traveled with them, they'd seen all of this up closed, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.920 but decided to gatekeep this information you know, not just 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.160 from the American public but the world, James. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.160 What they were doing was saying to people what you 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.560 were actually seeing isn't real, so that they were seeing 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.120 one thing, as you say, on the planes when they're 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.200 up close with the president, and the very few press 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.320 conferences or times he would try to talk to the media, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.959 but to the public, they were saying, well, what you're 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.920 seeing isn't true. You're not what's being said on the 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.400 other side. Don't believe it. It's all lies. And they 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.400 all caught up with them. So you know, you got 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.240 to the debate and there was don't denying the fact 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.480 that his mental cognitive ability, it just isn't there where 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.240 it should be. And from that point on, it's just 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.319 been a disaster for them. And look, it's as awful 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.360 as it is the assassination attempt on Trump, this has 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.680 played out for him now where you've actually got the 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.720 Republican Party, as you know, rallied around him, and it's 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.520 made it even worse for the Democrats now. So you've 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.280 got to the point where you've got climate activists outside 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.760 of the White House actually protesting and saying that Biden 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.600 needs to stand down as a Democrat, you have to say, well, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.000 we have a real problem here. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.400 Well, Christy, though, I mean, things can change very quickly 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.400 in a political campaign. You know, the Republicans and Trump, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.080 they've had a narrative for like three and a half 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.880 years now, basically, you know, Sleepy Joe, you know, he 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.000 can't do it. He's all you know, you know, he 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.520 can't make it up the stairs and all this sort 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.640 of thing. He falls off his bike, and you know, 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.559 to a certain extent, you know, we've had a lot 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.880 of you know, traction all that had a little fun 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.960 with that too along the way, you know, before it 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.520 became as serious as it is. But how can the 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:49.840 Republicans now if they swap out for somebody, even Kamala Harris, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.040 you know, with all of her unburdened by what has 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.240 been talk, how do they pivot then to create because 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.520 the Democrats will have to create a new campaign, but presumably, Christy, 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:06.000 the Republicans have to create a new campaign too. Well. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.120 The Republicans have changed their narrative, as you mentioned, that 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.600 narrative around Sleepy Joel and Grandpa Joel and being locked 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:18.000 in the basement and so forth. That's really changed now 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:22.320 with this term that they use in the US called sarrogates, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:28.440 So they've got Republican sarrogates, which essentially are Republicans aligned 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:36.480 commentators and professionals in law in the justice system. But 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:41.520 they are professional commentators who are aligned to the Republican Party, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:47.240 former staffers, media operatives, and they are now changing from 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.120 this narrative to the narrative around people who love Joe 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.520 Biden and people in his immediate circle who care for 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.400 his welfare have to tell him to go, So it's 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:05.400 less attacking, it's more appealing to empathy. They don't want 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.200 to get caught out attacking a man who clearly does 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.000 have cognitive decline. They don't want to get caught out 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.520 attacking the Democrats while they're in trouble. They need to 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.720 see that play out and capitalize on their own momentum, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.200 which is very, very good at the moment. So there's 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.760 been a shift and there's been a change, and of 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.120 course political parties don't want to put money into a 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:35.240 campaign around who may be the new Democrat nominee if 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.880 they don't have to, so they're holding on and they're 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.760 using that very empathetic language. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.280 In the meantime, Hey. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.320 Let's move over though, to the Republic inside now, because 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.160 we're talking an awful lot about the Democrats, but there's 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.840 a lot of really interesting stuff happening over there. Donald Trump, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.680 of course, had his first rally following the assassination attempt. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.920 Here he is talking about his experience. They keep saying 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.840 he's a threat to democracy. I'm saying, what the hell 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.000 did I do for democracy? 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:00.240 See? 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:06.280 Last week, I took a bullet for democracy. I mean, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.600 as a grab goes. That's really incredible. And for the 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.440 first time, he was joined on stage after the convention 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.320 with his vice presidential nominee JD Vance, who had some 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:20.040 strong words for his opponent, at least for now, his counterpart, 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.160 Kamala Harris. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.960 I did serve in the United States Marine Corps build 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:25.360 a business. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.520 What the hell have you done other than collect the check? 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.840 What has she done other than collect the check from. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.320 Her political offices? 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.880 And we have to give her credit, my friends, she 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.600 did serve as bordered as are during. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.360 The biggest disaster open border that we've ever had in 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.960 this country. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.240 Lisa Gonnard, let's start with you. What do you make 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.520 of JD Evans? He seems I mean, I don't want 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.960 to put words in your mouth. He might tell me 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.480 that he's awful, but I think that he's quite impressive. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.400 And I think the fact that he's thirty nine, you know, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.560 there's a lot of potential for him to be this finally, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.760 this generational change away from this kind of you know, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.399 too much elder and not enough statesman we've seen in 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.679 American politics lately. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.480 Well, it's a succession plan for the Republicans pretty much 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.080 when you look at the Trump's decision to put him in. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.800 But what he also does is he appeals to the 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.879 Republican base. He also then also tells a story for 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.480 lack of an aspirational person, because when you talk about 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.320 his background, where he's come from, to the fact that 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.280 he's now standing up as the potential next VP for America, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.520 he is everything that people can aspire to be. And 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.920 I think that will help win over some people who 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.160 aren't necessarily hardcore Trump voters and hardcore Republicans, but can 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.000 see that there is hope there. Look, I would think 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.960 it was very interesting watching from arund a half long 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.520 first speech to the RNC. It was a very different 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.560 Donald Trump to what we were used to when he 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.520 did speak about what happened at that rally when he 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.399 was shot, But it didn't take long before he was 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.960 back in his stride and on those same message points 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.119 that he's been on for years and years. And the 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.280 reaction from everyone at that valley, from the R and 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.040 C was you could see tears building up in people's 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.320 eyes when he was talking about what happened at the 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.480 rally where he was shot at and then moving with 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.640 him and cheering him on. They want to hear exactly 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.040 the points that he's raising about immigration, about the cost 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.400 of living, and strangely enough, a lot of the same 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.040 issues are the issues here that Albanezi and Dunton are 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:27.880 having to battle with. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.080 Well, Christy, one of the things that I think is 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.119 really interesting about J. D. Vance is that he brings 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.920 a lot of intellectual theft to this. You know, he's 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.320 got a really interesting background and he's spent a lot 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.320 of time kind of in the intellectual wilds, you know, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.479 engaged with a lot of big ideas around this kind 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.480 of new conservative movement that's building up and as a 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.399 repudiation of kind of the old neo conservative ideas. But 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.640 one thing that is really interesting to me these two 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.440 guys trump advists. They could not have a more different biography, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.720 and yet Trump's message many times seems to be a 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.600 little little bit you know, you're a victim of all 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.159 of these forces to his audiences. Advance I think is 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.520 more about you have a responsibility to do what I did, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.199 which is to make your way up. How do you 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.800 think these two compliment each other? 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.520 Look, of course, Banks started out as what they call 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.760 in the US a never Trumper, someone who was in 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.160 the Republican Party who didn't like Trump. But he has 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.080 changed over the last couple of years, and I think 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.119 that's a genuine change. Obviously, he wouldn't be appointed vice president, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.119 he wouldn't have this closeness with Donald Trump if that 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.080 if that wasn't genuine. And he now truly believes in 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.560 the Make America Great movement and what it aspires to 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.520 achieve for people that come from where he's from, the 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.320 Appalachian Mountains, of course, you know, James Yuall from the US. 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.639 This is a place in America that is most affected 0:19:55.240 --> 0:20:00.399 by the opioid crisis, by the fentanyl importation, by the 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:05.040 loss of industry. It is the most economically depressed region 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.920 in the United States. Where he's from It's also near 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:14.879 where Hillary went to march with the Democrat workers, all 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.120 of those people who had lost their jobs in her 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.560 campaign and was booed. So this is territory that the 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:26.879 Democrats have lost and it's turned to Donald Trump because 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.800 he speaks their language. There is not many people who 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.320 make it out of where jd. Vance is from and 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.919 finish high school and go to college. Let alone, Ivy League, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.720 Let alone then go on to work Invention Capital in 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.199 New York, and let alone then get elected to this Senate. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.200 I mean, if you want to talk about the anti swamp, 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.479 this guy is it. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.000 Yeah. Look, I want to just stick a little bit 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.160 with this, but kind of move to Australia because before 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.480 we moved to the fullestry politics. I also want us 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.680 to have a look at how the ABC has been 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.520 dealing with some of this stuff. And predictably they've been 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.280 having kittens all over the place. But let's have a 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.320 look at ABC presenter John Barron, who gave us some 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:16.000 of that neutral balance for reporting that we know the 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.159 ABC always does when it comes to Donald Trump and 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:24.040 the Republican National Convention speech. Well, he tweeted, quote Trump 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.720 is riffing, rambling, making stuff up. This is an awful speech. Interesting, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.760 he's not daunted by the moment. He just doesn't care. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.679 Unquote and that quote. This is bad for a standard 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.399 Trump speech, as a convention speech. It's appallingly bad. And 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.800 then he went on and on and on. Christi mckswey, 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.440 let's start with you. I thought there was a whole 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.960 thing with the new head of the ABC that we 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.639 were gonna be you know, seeing them leave their opinions 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.880 at the door, and we've seen kind of this anti 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.600 Trump's teria everywhere on the network. Trump just breaks their brains, 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:57.000 doesn't he. 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.119 I think that people who are you know, they have 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:09.080 their left wing colors nailed to the mast. It's very 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:15.439 hard for them to understand how people see the appeal 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.240 in Donald Trump. But if you look at it from 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:23.600 a cultural anthropological movement and the economic levers in the US, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.560 it has led to the Make America Great movement gaining popularity, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:33.080 you can easily see why there's significant appeal. But yes, 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:37.480 there are people who are slightly not really objective about that. 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.320 Although I will say the show that John Baron does 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.399 with Chad litchardello Planet America on the ABC, they do 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.159 wack into Joe Biden as well. So the show itself 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.320 is pretty objective, but your personal views, yeah, obviously they're 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:52.160 leading one way. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.280 Well, Lisa, the really thing that's really interesting to be 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.399 here is that we've seen all this gatekeeping by the 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.840 US media about how you know, John Iiden has had 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:05.360 all these problems and struggles and cognitive decline and senescence. 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.199 But you know, is what we're seeing here with the 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.120 ABC like an attempt to try and police people's viewpoints 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.680 on Trump because their great terror is what they keep saying, 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.359 is Trump be in politics and you know, MAGA type 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.800 movements and so on happening in Australia. For them, this 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.719 is like wor some bird flu landing. 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.920 Are you trying to say they're trying to push their 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.200 bias under the Australian public? Is that what you're saying? 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:36.880 They're no, no, no, no, no no. Look I think 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.240 exactly right. You know they have a particular or certain 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.560 members of the ABC have particular political views. Most people 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.040 will have particular political views. But I still maintain that 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.080 as a journalist, your job is meant to be providing 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.320 a balanced report. You're supposed to provide facts, not opinion. 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.960 When you're on opinion shows. Absolutely, it's all about what 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.679 you think and what your views are. It's marked that. 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.560 But the problem with the ABC is that the news programs, 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:07.000 as we've said over and over, filtered too much with 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.920 opinion and bias as opposed to just presenting the facts. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.760