Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well,
Speaker 1: good evening, welcome to the program. Thank you, Denika and
Speaker 1: James Palmerray live here James Borrow filling in one last
Speaker 1: time for the great man himself, Paul, who will be
Speaker 1: back in the man Cave tomorrow night. I promise, canned,
Speaker 1: rested and ready, but do not fret, because I get
Speaker 1: tell you what. It's a super special Sunday Night here
Speaker 1: to kick off the week. In a little while, I'll
Speaker 1: be joined by the Great Jacintha Price, Yes you love her,
Speaker 1: who has a new project she wants to tell you
Speaker 1: all about. Plus Adam Creighton from Washington, DC on all
Speaker 1: the US madness and you're not going to believe who
Speaker 1: some people are talking about could be the next Democrat
Speaker 1: nominee for president. Plus our great Sunday Night duo, Christi
Speaker 1: mcsweety and Lisa Goddard. But first, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: check in the Donald, shall we lessen? A week after?
Speaker 1: A madman, A madman, by the way, about whom strangely
Speaker 1: little is yet publicly known go figure try to kill
Speaker 1: the once and likely future President Donald Trump was out
Speaker 1: there today. The man literally as Teddy Roosevelt famously put
Speaker 1: it in the arena. He had this to say, which
Speaker 1: I think is going to be the crux of his
Speaker 1: whole campaign going forward. They keep saying he's a threat
Speaker 1: to democracy. I'm saying, what the hell did I do
Speaker 1: for democracy? Last week? I took a bullet for democracy? Well,
Speaker 1: that's right. It's good to see he hasn't let copying
Speaker 1: a bullet in the old hereflap get him down if
Speaker 1: you would turn off those cameras, because I don't want
Speaker 1: to see the screen up there of me. That's very severe.
Speaker 1: That come over, that's his That's a severe sucker. What's
Speaker 1: with that one? It looks okay from the other side,
Speaker 1: but that is very severe. I apologize, man. I looked
Speaker 1: up there. I said, whoa, look at that. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: like a work of art. I should have so much
Speaker 1: hair to comb over. Now, speaking of the shooting, though,
Speaker 1: that assassination attempt, a couple of more developments got to
Speaker 1: share with you on that front, which we'll be going
Speaker 1: into a bit more deeply later on in the show. Namely,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing, the Trump campaign, it turns out,
Speaker 1: had been asking the US Secret Service for more protection
Speaker 1: for some time but apparently it had been denied. Now
Speaker 1: this is pretty big news because the government had been
Speaker 1: claiming no, no, no, that's nonsense. We never got any
Speaker 1: requests for more protection. Oh really, Well, here's the Secretary
Speaker 1: of the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Bojorkis, who has
Speaker 1: ultimate oversight of the Secret Service. Just a week or so.
Speaker 2: Ago, Republican Congressman Mike Walls, he sat on social media
Speaker 2: on Saturday, and I'm going to read this for you
Speaker 2: because it does talk about you, Secretary. I have very
Speaker 2: reliable sources telling me that there have been repeated requests
Speaker 2: for stronger Secret Service protection for President Trump, denied by
Speaker 2: Secretary Majorcis. Your department has already pushed back on that,
Speaker 2: calling that absolutely false. But he is putting this on you.
Speaker 2: Can you respond to that please?
Speaker 1: Well? That is yeah, that's a baseless and irresponsible statement
Speaker 1: and is one that is unequivocally false. Well, as Jerry
Speaker 1: Springer used to say, rest in peace. Jerry, the lie
Speaker 1: detective determined that was a lie. Oh and here's the
Speaker 1: chief flak for the US Secret Service, Anthony Googly. Emmy,
Speaker 1: get a load of this guy. Just last week he tweeted, quote,
Speaker 1: there's an untrue assertion that a member of the former
Speaker 1: president's team requested additional security resources and that those were rebuffed.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely false unquote. Well, ah, that's funny because
Speaker 1: now the New York Times is reporting, just as we
Speaker 1: went to air that actually the Secret Service is turning
Speaker 1: around and saying, oh, yeah, no, actually, yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: get those requests. Anyway. The number two bit to this here,
Speaker 1: Kimberly Cheetle, the head of the Secret Service, remember her, Well,
Speaker 1: guess what she is due to testify before Congress on
Speaker 1: Monday US time. And ain't that gonna be interesting? I
Speaker 1: think she's going to be asked all sorts of questions,
Speaker 1: and I hope top among them is why and how
Speaker 1: the Secret Service in the cops managed to identify the
Speaker 1: shooter as a person of in somebody who was carrying
Speaker 1: around a range finder, somebody who apparently managed to hide
Speaker 1: a gun on the site, and they identified him as
Speaker 1: a person of interest a full hour before Trump took
Speaker 1: the stage, and then did precisely zero, zilch nothing about it.
Speaker 1: They let Donald Trump go up there and speak. They
Speaker 1: didn't pull them off the stage where they saw there
Speaker 1: was a problem. Frankly, if she doesn't fall on her sword. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly why people are so cynical about
Speaker 1: Washington at willing and really excited about voting Trump. Now
Speaker 1: also happening Monday in the US, and I know this
Speaker 1: is very US heavy and we will get to all
Speaker 1: the ausy news coming up, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: But there may be news on Monday. We may have
Speaker 1: a decision from Joe Biden as he answers the question
Speaker 1: first post more than forty years ago by the clash,
Speaker 1: should I stay or should I go? I won't say it.
Speaker 1: I have been told by multiple sources that we could
Speaker 1: have an announcement that quickly from the President as to
Speaker 1: whether or not he will stay in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four race. But guess what, I love my sources, but
Speaker 1: they're not always right. I could be wrong about this,
Speaker 1: and if I am, I will cop it sweet. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he goes on Monday. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think Biden still may not go at all. Why Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, there's no succession plan yet. The Democrats
Speaker 1: are totally divided as to whether they coronate Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: a nominee as scenes that must resemble the Death of
Speaker 1: Stalin play out in the White House. Number two. Benjamin B.
Speaker 1: Bingety is coming to Washington this week to address Congress.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing here. Joe Biden hates nendan Yahoo
Speaker 1: like Biden hates net Yaho's so much like to the
Speaker 1: extent that net Yahoo is more likely to be sending
Speaker 1: silly memes back and forth with fatima payment than he
Speaker 1: is to get a war welcome from the President if
Speaker 1: the president that is, can remember who net yahoo is,
Speaker 1: which may be a bit of an open question at
Speaker 1: this point. Now. So the point this is that he
Speaker 1: doesn't want Biden doesn't want to give net Yahoo the
Speaker 1: satisfaction of being there in town when this great concession
Speaker 1: comes down, and finally there's this. It's the biggest question
Speaker 1: I think of all If Joe Biden is to continue
Speaker 1: as president for the next six months but not as
Speaker 1: the nominee, they need a damn good answer to the question,
Speaker 1: why is it that he is still okay for running
Speaker 1: the most important job in the world. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the one with the nuclear codes and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, particularly as the talk around town talks to
Speaker 1: dementia Parkinston's disease, and all the journalists and politicians who
Speaker 1: hid the fact that Biden was on the slide now
Speaker 1: tell ever more lurid stories about his troubles to create
Speaker 1: the atmosphere to pressure him to get out of the way.
Speaker 1: So it's all very anti democratic, I think, and I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of ironic that the Democrat Party calls
Speaker 1: itself such because it's not the people who are choosing
Speaker 1: the leader anymore. They rushed Biden through that primary, and
Speaker 1: now they want to put in somebody else. Well, watch
Speaker 1: this space. I tell you things are only going to
Speaker 1: get weirder. Now, let's get into all of this now
Speaker 1: with my Sunday Night panel, Christy mcsweey from the pr
Speaker 1: Council and Lisa Goddard from a Dotty Media. Welcome to
Speaker 1: you both. First of all, we got to do a
Speaker 1: bit of Biden. I'm sorry. I know that this is
Speaker 1: the big topic, but it is the biggest story in
Speaker 1: the world, which is some people are saying as I say,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree that Joe Biden is going to
Speaker 1: get out of the president's race. He's given no indication
Speaker 1: he wants to go. We all know Joe Biden is
Speaker 1: a stubborn man, but it seems every day a new
Speaker 1: call comes for him to drop out. Christiy mcsweey. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you stay or go? A should he and
Speaker 1: B will he?
Speaker 3: Well, I think yes, hey short, that's become evident, And
Speaker 3: of course it's become increasingly evident that there is been
Speaker 3: significant cover up about his physical stat of decline, if
Speaker 3: not mental state of decline for some time, which has
Speaker 3: been now exposed for the international media to see on
Speaker 3: that debate stage and followed up for the international media
Speaker 3: to see again at the so called Big Boy press
Speaker 3: conference NATO. But the language being used is so peculiar.
Speaker 3: Right now, you have Donald Trump, whose marga movement as
Speaker 3: they call it. They don't call it a political party,
Speaker 3: they call it a movement talks about the elites and
Speaker 3: being anti elitist, and the elites versus hard working Americans.
Speaker 3: Now the Democrats themselves are talking about the elites in
Speaker 3: the context of those who lead the Democratic Party trying
Speaker 3: to overthrow Joe Biden to make decisions around that. Joe
Speaker 3: Biden himself has used the term the elites think I
Speaker 3: run Washington. So everybody who's using Trump language for really
Speaker 3: different reasons at the moment. And of course it's been
Speaker 3: a may kulper for MSNBAS and Morning Joe and other
Speaker 3: types of Democrat heavy media, hasn't it who are now
Speaker 3: joining the chorus of these thirty five Democrats House and
Speaker 3: congressional Democrats who've come out and said he has to go.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I mean, Lisa God, that's a
Speaker 1: great point you make about the media and how they've
Speaker 1: all basically gas lit everybody. But you know, these are
Speaker 1: the same people who literally a month ago were saying
Speaker 1: that when shows like by US Report and you know,
Speaker 1: people on other networks showed clips of Joe Biden, you know,
Speaker 1: stumbling missing words, forgetting people's names in press conferences, confusing
Speaker 1: you know, Mexico with Egypt, as he did during that
Speaker 1: other press conference when he was trying to prove that
Speaker 1: he was not suffering from dementia, as the Robert Hill
Speaker 1: report into his classified documents suggested. How is it that
Speaker 1: we can trust these media sources that have just turned
Speaker 1: on a dime, because clearly they knew they'd watched, if
Speaker 1: they'd traveled with them, they'd seen all of this up closed,
Speaker 1: but decided to gatekeep this information you know, not just
Speaker 1: from the American public but the world, James.
Speaker 4: What they were doing was saying to people what you
Speaker 4: were actually seeing isn't real, so that they were seeing
Speaker 4: one thing, as you say, on the planes when they're
Speaker 4: up close with the president, and the very few press
Speaker 4: conferences or times he would try to talk to the media,
Speaker 4: but to the public, they were saying, well, what you're
Speaker 4: seeing isn't true. You're not what's being said on the
Speaker 4: other side. Don't believe it. It's all lies. And they
Speaker 4: all caught up with them. So you know, you got
Speaker 4: to the debate and there was don't denying the fact
Speaker 4: that his mental cognitive ability, it just isn't there where
Speaker 4: it should be. And from that point on, it's just
Speaker 4: been a disaster for them. And look, it's as awful
Speaker 4: as it is the assassination attempt on Trump, this has
Speaker 4: played out for him now where you've actually got the
Speaker 4: Republican Party, as you know, rallied around him, and it's
Speaker 4: made it even worse for the Democrats now. So you've
Speaker 4: got to the point where you've got climate activists outside
Speaker 4: of the White House actually protesting and saying that Biden
Speaker 4: needs to stand down as a Democrat, you have to say, well,
Speaker 4: we have a real problem here.
Speaker 1: Well, Christy, though, I mean, things can change very quickly
Speaker 1: in a political campaign. You know, the Republicans and Trump,
Speaker 1: they've had a narrative for like three and a half
Speaker 1: years now, basically, you know, Sleepy Joe, you know, he
Speaker 1: can't do it. He's all you know, you know, he
Speaker 1: can't make it up the stairs and all this sort
Speaker 1: of thing. He falls off his bike, and you know,
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, you know, we've had a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, traction all that had a little fun
Speaker 1: with that too along the way, you know, before it
Speaker 1: became as serious as it is. But how can the
Speaker 1: Republicans now if they swap out for somebody, even Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: you know, with all of her unburdened by what has
Speaker 1: been talk, how do they pivot then to create because
Speaker 1: the Democrats will have to create a new campaign, but presumably, Christy,
Speaker 1: the Republicans have to create a new campaign too. Well.
Speaker 3: The Republicans have changed their narrative, as you mentioned, that
Speaker 3: narrative around Sleepy Joel and Grandpa Joel and being locked
Speaker 3: in the basement and so forth. That's really changed now
Speaker 3: with this term that they use in the US called sarrogates,
Speaker 3: So they've got Republican sarrogates, which essentially are Republicans aligned
Speaker 3: commentators and professionals in law in the justice system. But
Speaker 3: they are professional commentators who are aligned to the Republican Party,
Speaker 3: former staffers, media operatives, and they are now changing from
Speaker 3: this narrative to the narrative around people who love Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and people in his immediate circle who care for
Speaker 3: his welfare have to tell him to go, So it's
Speaker 3: less attacking, it's more appealing to empathy. They don't want
Speaker 3: to get caught out attacking a man who clearly does
Speaker 3: have cognitive decline. They don't want to get caught out
Speaker 3: attacking the Democrats while they're in trouble. They need to
Speaker 3: see that play out and capitalize on their own momentum,
Speaker 3: which is very, very good at the moment. So there's
Speaker 3: been a shift and there's been a change, and of
Speaker 3: course political parties don't want to put money into a
Speaker 3: campaign around who may be the new Democrat nominee if
Speaker 3: they don't have to, so they're holding on and they're
Speaker 3: using that very empathetic language.
Speaker 4: In the meantime, Hey.
Speaker 1: Let's move over though, to the Republic inside now, because
Speaker 1: we're talking an awful lot about the Democrats, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really interesting stuff happening over there. Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: of course, had his first rally following the assassination attempt.
Speaker 1: Here he is talking about his experience. They keep saying
Speaker 1: he's a threat to democracy. I'm saying, what the hell
Speaker 1: did I do for democracy?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 1: Last week, I took a bullet for democracy. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a grab goes. That's really incredible. And for the
Speaker 1: first time, he was joined on stage after the convention
Speaker 1: with his vice presidential nominee JD Vance, who had some
Speaker 1: strong words for his opponent, at least for now, his counterpart,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5: I did serve in the United States Marine Corps build
Speaker 5: a business.
Speaker 1: What the hell have you done other than collect the check?
Speaker 1: What has she done other than collect the check from.
Speaker 5: Her political offices?
Speaker 1: And we have to give her credit, my friends, she
Speaker 1: did serve as bordered as are during.
Speaker 4: The biggest disaster open border that we've ever had in
Speaker 4: this country.
Speaker 1: Lisa Gonnard, let's start with you. What do you make
Speaker 1: of JD Evans? He seems I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth. He might tell me
Speaker 1: that he's awful, but I think that he's quite impressive.
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that he's thirty nine, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential for him to be this finally,
Speaker 1: this generational change away from this kind of you know,
Speaker 1: too much elder and not enough statesman we've seen in
Speaker 1: American politics lately.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a succession plan for the Republicans pretty much
Speaker 4: when you look at the Trump's decision to put him in.
Speaker 4: But what he also does is he appeals to the
Speaker 4: Republican base. He also then also tells a story for
Speaker 4: lack of an aspirational person, because when you talk about
Speaker 4: his background, where he's come from, to the fact that
Speaker 4: he's now standing up as the potential next VP for America,
Speaker 4: he is everything that people can aspire to be. And
Speaker 4: I think that will help win over some people who
Speaker 4: aren't necessarily hardcore Trump voters and hardcore Republicans, but can
Speaker 4: see that there is hope there. Look, I would think
Speaker 4: it was very interesting watching from arund a half long
Speaker 4: first speech to the RNC. It was a very different
Speaker 4: Donald Trump to what we were used to when he
Speaker 4: did speak about what happened at that rally when he
Speaker 4: was shot, But it didn't take long before he was
Speaker 4: back in his stride and on those same message points
Speaker 4: that he's been on for years and years. And the
Speaker 4: reaction from everyone at that valley, from the R and
Speaker 4: C was you could see tears building up in people's
Speaker 4: eyes when he was talking about what happened at the
Speaker 4: rally where he was shot at and then moving with
Speaker 4: him and cheering him on. They want to hear exactly
Speaker 4: the points that he's raising about immigration, about the cost
Speaker 4: of living, and strangely enough, a lot of the same
Speaker 4: issues are the issues here that Albanezi and Dunton are
Speaker 4: having to battle with.
Speaker 1: Well, Christy, one of the things that I think is
Speaker 1: really interesting about J. D. Vance is that he brings
Speaker 1: a lot of intellectual theft to this. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got a really interesting background and he's spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time kind of in the intellectual wilds, you know,
Speaker 1: engaged with a lot of big ideas around this kind
Speaker 1: of new conservative movement that's building up and as a
Speaker 1: repudiation of kind of the old neo conservative ideas. But
Speaker 1: one thing that is really interesting to me these two
Speaker 1: guys trump advists. They could not have a more different biography,
Speaker 1: and yet Trump's message many times seems to be a
Speaker 1: little little bit you know, you're a victim of all
Speaker 1: of these forces to his audiences. Advance I think is
Speaker 1: more about you have a responsibility to do what I did,
Speaker 1: which is to make your way up. How do you
Speaker 1: think these two compliment each other?
Speaker 3: Look, of course, Banks started out as what they call
Speaker 3: in the US a never Trumper, someone who was in
Speaker 3: the Republican Party who didn't like Trump. But he has
Speaker 3: changed over the last couple of years, and I think
Speaker 3: that's a genuine change. Obviously, he wouldn't be appointed vice president,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have this closeness with Donald Trump if that
Speaker 3: if that wasn't genuine. And he now truly believes in
Speaker 3: the Make America Great movement and what it aspires to
Speaker 3: achieve for people that come from where he's from, the
Speaker 3: Appalachian Mountains, of course, you know, James Yuall from the US.
Speaker 3: This is a place in America that is most affected
Speaker 3: by the opioid crisis, by the fentanyl importation, by the
Speaker 3: loss of industry. It is the most economically depressed region
Speaker 3: in the United States. Where he's from It's also near
Speaker 3: where Hillary went to march with the Democrat workers, all
Speaker 3: of those people who had lost their jobs in her
Speaker 3: campaign and was booed. So this is territory that the
Speaker 3: Democrats have lost and it's turned to Donald Trump because
Speaker 3: he speaks their language. There is not many people who
Speaker 3: make it out of where jd. Vance is from and
Speaker 3: finish high school and go to college. Let alone, Ivy League,
Speaker 3: Let alone then go on to work Invention Capital in
Speaker 3: New York, and let alone then get elected to this Senate.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to talk about the anti swamp,
Speaker 3: this guy is it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I want to just stick a little bit
Speaker 1: with this, but kind of move to Australia because before
Speaker 1: we moved to the fullestry politics. I also want us
Speaker 1: to have a look at how the ABC has been
Speaker 1: dealing with some of this stuff. And predictably they've been
Speaker 1: having kittens all over the place. But let's have a
Speaker 1: look at ABC presenter John Barron, who gave us some
Speaker 1: of that neutral balance for reporting that we know the
Speaker 1: ABC always does when it comes to Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: the Republican National Convention speech. Well, he tweeted, quote Trump
Speaker 1: is riffing, rambling, making stuff up. This is an awful speech. Interesting,
Speaker 1: he's not daunted by the moment. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Unquote and that quote. This is bad for a standard
Speaker 1: Trump speech, as a convention speech. It's appallingly bad. And
Speaker 1: then he went on and on and on. Christi mckswey,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. I thought there was a whole
Speaker 1: thing with the new head of the ABC that we
Speaker 1: were gonna be you know, seeing them leave their opinions
Speaker 1: at the door, and we've seen kind of this anti
Speaker 1: Trump's teria everywhere on the network. Trump just breaks their brains,
Speaker 1: doesn't he.
Speaker 3: I think that people who are you know, they have
Speaker 3: their left wing colors nailed to the mast. It's very
Speaker 3: hard for them to understand how people see the appeal
Speaker 3: in Donald Trump. But if you look at it from
Speaker 3: a cultural anthropological movement and the economic levers in the US,
Speaker 3: it has led to the Make America Great movement gaining popularity,
Speaker 3: you can easily see why there's significant appeal. But yes,
Speaker 3: there are people who are slightly not really objective about that.
Speaker 3: Although I will say the show that John Baron does
Speaker 3: with Chad litchardello Planet America on the ABC, they do
Speaker 3: wack into Joe Biden as well. So the show itself
Speaker 3: is pretty objective, but your personal views, yeah, obviously they're
Speaker 3: leading one way.
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, the really thing that's really interesting to be
Speaker 1: here is that we've seen all this gatekeeping by the
Speaker 1: US media about how you know, John Iiden has had
Speaker 1: all these problems and struggles and cognitive decline and senescence.
Speaker 1: But you know, is what we're seeing here with the
Speaker 1: ABC like an attempt to try and police people's viewpoints
Speaker 1: on Trump because their great terror is what they keep saying,
Speaker 1: is Trump be in politics and you know, MAGA type
Speaker 1: movements and so on happening in Australia. For them, this
Speaker 1: is like wor some bird flu landing.
Speaker 4: Are you trying to say they're trying to push their
Speaker 4: bias under the Australian public? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4: They're no, no, no, no, no no. Look I think
Speaker 4: exactly right. You know they have a particular or certain
Speaker 4: members of the ABC have particular political views. Most people
Speaker 4: will have particular political views. But I still maintain that
Speaker 4: as a journalist, your job is meant to be providing
Speaker 4: a balanced report. You're supposed to provide facts, not opinion.
Speaker 4: When you're on opinion shows. Absolutely, it's all about what
Speaker 4: you think and what your views are. It's marked that.
Speaker 4: But the problem with the ABC is that the news programs,
Speaker 4: as we've said over and over, filtered too much with
Speaker 4: opinion and bias as opposed to just presenting the facts.
Speaker 4: And if they were presenting the facts, they would have
Speaker 4: been very clear about what is happening with Biden's health,
Speaker 4: and they would have been there in their reporting of
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And they believe the ultimo kind of
Speaker 1: cathedral is there to tell the rest of us what
Speaker 1: to do and think. And I think it's a pretty
Speaker 1: disgraceful use of more than a billion dollars a year
Speaker 1: of our tax dollars. Call me crazy, anyway. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about also because you know, it impacted lots
Speaker 1: and lots of people, including me here on Sky Friday's
Speaker 1: madness with the clown strike sorry, I mean crowd strike faults,
Speaker 1: sending seemingly half the world into Chao. First of all,
Speaker 1: based with both of you, Christy, Lisa, where you affected? Christy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my server is connected to another server was affected,
Speaker 3: so I didn't have any email, and I didn't appear
Speaker 3: on TV because it's you say, we didn't have any jokes.
Speaker 3: So we had people waiting around in the news room
Speaker 3: waiting to broadcast. And I've seen people photographs of the
Speaker 3: newsroom with whiteboards resorting to manual writing. This happened to
Speaker 3: me once when I worked at Quantus and we got
Speaker 3: a new check in system and I had a global
Speaker 3: outage and it was bedlam. And we saw those scenes
Speaker 3: again on Friday. But it just gives us a reminder,
Speaker 3: doesn't it, of how intricately our lives depend on these
Speaker 3: global technology systems and how we now can't do without them.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you what. On Friday, I
Speaker 1: was writing a report from here for the Saturday Daily
Speaker 1: Telegraph about the convention. I had to attach to a
Speaker 1: carrier pigeon and send it to the newspaper and it
Speaker 1: made it into the paper the next day. So goot
Speaker 1: all the pigeons, but lives a guard. Did you have
Speaker 1: any business impact on that real impact terms?
Speaker 4: I do crisis communications as part of the biggest sort
Speaker 4: of business. How did you continuity planning?
Speaker 1: How did you rate their communications?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: The communications response was really really slow, But look, I
Speaker 4: had somebody who works very closely in the business continuity side,
Speaker 4: and his phone was ringing off the hook from about
Speaker 4: three o'clock Friday afternoon. We were doing calls throughout the
Speaker 4: night and he had a really interesting point in conversations
Speaker 4: with him. He said, to achieve efficiency, businesses have become
Speaker 4: so reliant on technology, and when you go in there
Speaker 4: and you do sort of a crisis assessment or a
Speaker 4: risk assessment on these businesses, many of them would have
Speaker 4: known how reliant they are on the technology and if
Speaker 4: it goes down, but hadn't put in places workarounds. And
Speaker 4: a big problem they had was you wake up once
Speaker 4: this had happened, and it was like being back saying
Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies. So everything you've outsourced to technology
Speaker 4: now you have to go back to saying using cash,
Speaker 4: trying to alleger to keep a record of what's happening
Speaker 4: in your accounts, or having people there to actually do
Speaker 4: things and to achieve great bottom dollar results. They've got
Speaker 4: rid of a lot of people, so when technology fails
Speaker 4: you and you need people to actually complete a workaround
Speaker 4: task manually, you don't happen there. So that was a
Speaker 4: big problem that businesses were facing.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing that really worried me about
Speaker 1: if there was a sorry, did you want to jump
Speaker 1: in there, Christy.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say about eight or nine
Speaker 3: years ago when this happened at Quantes and we found
Speaker 3: that we did have to search the twenty five thousand
Speaker 3: strong staff bas and find out who had the skills
Speaker 3: to do manual check in, who was trained in that
Speaker 3: from the seventies and the agies in the early nineties,
Speaker 3: and there was a team of about twenty people who
Speaker 3: had to go up and down the lines and manually
Speaker 3: check people in. But that was all we had in
Speaker 3: a workforce of about twenty five thousand. So, yeah, Lisa's
Speaker 3: entirely correct. Were outsourced people, retire people with irrelevant skills
Speaker 3: that are required when technology goes down aren't always there.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and it's not going to surprise anybody watching.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll surprise you too that when it
Speaker 1: comes to airline tickets, I much preferred the old ones
Speaker 1: where you ripped off each stub, you know, and for
Speaker 1: each segment of the flight that you got. And also
Speaker 1: when it comes to credit cards, you cannot hack the
Speaker 1: machine that goes shunk shunk and takes an imprint of
Speaker 1: the card. So if we just brought back all that stuff,
Speaker 1: we'd be fine. But on a serious note, though, you know,
Speaker 1: there were people who were talking about this. Security experts,
Speaker 1: you know, strategic experts, defense experts, who say that, well,
Speaker 1: this was a failure of software and it was innocent.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, this sort of
Speaker 1: thing where systems go down and start to go down.
Speaker 1: That looked to a lot of people like what it
Speaker 1: might look like a prelude to a foreign actor, Doug,
Speaker 1: I say, China. But yeah, China, you know, to take
Speaker 1: Australia offline if it was doing something else, you know
Speaker 1: in the specific like you know, around Taiwan or something
Speaker 1: like that. And one the story here that really struck
Speaker 1: me is that we are also dependent on all of
Speaker 1: these Chinese made cameras, hundreds of thousands of them, manufactured
Speaker 1: by companies linked to the Chinese government. Now I have
Speaker 1: reported on this, Other people are reporting on these things,
Speaker 1: looking at monitoring public spaces across Australia. I mean, Lisa,
Speaker 1: god On, surely we've got to start getting these things,
Speaker 1: these spywaars. You've got literally Chinese spy hardware potentially in
Speaker 1: our public buildings, in our public places, god knows what
Speaker 1: private space is. We have to have an audit, We
Speaker 1: have to start making this stuff for ourselves, right well, alarm.
Speaker 4: Lely, we were talking about hundreds could get with four
Speaker 4: or five hundred and six hundred cameras at the time
Speaker 4: where we were talking about government department, government buildings and defense.
Speaker 4: The projection now is that it could be forget tens
Speaker 4: of thousands or high of thousand, so it could be
Speaker 4: a million or more of these cameras. No one really knows,
Speaker 4: and that's what's frightening, Like with all of these things,
Speaker 4: it's what we don't know. So if it was important
Speaker 4: enough to get them out of government buildings and defense,
Speaker 4: it's important enough to do a review and know exactly
Speaker 4: where these cameras are and what risk we face as
Speaker 4: far as you're being tracked in our information being shared
Speaker 4: with who knows who like, what organizations is it being
Speaker 4: passed to, And again it comes down to do personal security.
Speaker 4: When there's a crime, we are more than happy for
Speaker 4: police to be able to go in there and door
Speaker 4: knock neighbors. And in Queensland with the youth crime problem,
Speaker 4: right now it's a common occurrence for police to go
Speaker 4: around and door knock homes to gather that surveillance footage
Speaker 4: to try to track down who's responsible. But it's when
Speaker 4: you're walking through parks, it's when you're walking down the street,
Speaker 4: it's when you're on the roads that that's where we're
Speaker 4: all being exposed.
Speaker 1: It's really his big brother and Christy. It just seems
Speaker 1: to be many years ago, there was a story that
Speaker 1: went around there at the Pentagogue they stopped ordering late
Speaker 1: night pizzas from the same doma of those because people
Speaker 1: realize that when a huge order of pizzas came in
Speaker 1: for the Pentagon, there were going to be big headlines
Speaker 1: the next day because something was going on. These sorts
Speaker 1: of cameras you could piece together an awful lot of
Speaker 1: stuff about what's going on, and with facial recognition, you
Speaker 1: know what policy people, politicians, bureaucrats are doing. It seems
Speaker 1: to me like there's a huge opening here.
Speaker 3: Am I being paranoidh or are they just out to
Speaker 3: get you?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 3: I think that it is certainly it is certainly a risk.
Speaker 3: As Lisa said, we have got no knowledge, there's no system,
Speaker 3: there's no data base, sim place to determine where these
Speaker 3: cameras are collecting data from. It would be a momentous
Speaker 3: task for all state federal government departments and agencies and
Speaker 3: corporations and community not for profit to come together to
Speaker 3: tell a central source where these cameras are purchased from
Speaker 3: and where the data is going to. And we just
Speaker 3: don't know. So I think you're not paranoid, and you are.
Speaker 3: You know, we're raising really good points here. We don't know.
Speaker 3: It's almost got too big for us to have an
Speaker 3: overside of it.
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa God Christopher Sweet, you've been a fantastic sender
Speaker 1: that panel. Before I let you go, I want to
Speaker 1: get your big bold prediction for the week, Lisa Goddard,
Speaker 1: Let's start with you.
Speaker 4: I don't think the head of the Secret Service in
Speaker 4: the US will see the week out, especially after Monday's
Speaker 4: evidence that she has to give. I think the game
Speaker 4: will be up for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope.
Speaker 3: So, Christy, something's got to give here in Victoria with
Speaker 3: the CFM, EU and the Victorian government, James, something has
Speaker 3: got to give.
Speaker 1: Well's that sounds like there's a lot of prediction in
Speaker 1: that one line there. We're just gonna have to leave
Speaker 1: it at that. CHRISTI mcsweety lesa goddard. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your time. Been a lot of fun. Now,
Speaker 1: do not go anywhere because after the break, just sit
Speaker 1: a Price, see you then, Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 1: James Morrow filling in for Paul on Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: for just one more night only. Paul's back with you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But I got a special treat for you here. I'm
Speaker 1: really looking forward to this. None other than Shadow Indigenous
Speaker 1: Affairs Minister just sent a Nampa Jippa Price, and she's
Speaker 1: got some exciting news to tell us all about. She's
Speaker 1: writing a book written by Price and co author Sue Smithis.
Speaker 1: The memoir will be titled Matters of the Heart, and
Speaker 1: she's gonna tell us the story of her upbringing in
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, the tragedies she has endured, and documenting
Speaker 1: her meteoric rise from disadvantage to become one of Austreya's
Speaker 1: most significant politicians. Now. The book's going to be published
Speaker 1: by Harpercarler's Publishing and will be released in February twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Just sent to Welcome to the program. Tell
Speaker 1: us what made you want to put down your thoughts
Speaker 1: in a book. We see you here on sky, we
Speaker 1: read you in the papers, but you wanted to do
Speaker 1: something with a bigger tell us about it.
Speaker 6: I know, crazy, right. Well, Look, you know, since I've
Speaker 6: been in the public I have had such an incredible
Speaker 6: amount of support from Australians right around the country, and
Speaker 6: a lot of people have I think one of the
Speaker 6: most asked questions is tell me a little bit more
Speaker 6: about yourself. I can't respond to every time somebody has
Speaker 6: said that to me, you know, online, But I guess
Speaker 6: I wanted to share a bit of the personal side
Speaker 6: of who I am to Australians. I guess to understand
Speaker 6: also why I'm so passionate about some of the issues
Speaker 6: that I have certainly advocated for over the years, and
Speaker 6: you know, for readers to get a bit of a
Speaker 6: glimpse into my childhood and my family, my wonderful kids
Speaker 6: and husband as well. And I thought, you know, it's
Speaker 6: probably about time I did something like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, and look, I think we're all looking forward to
Speaker 1: reading this when it comes out next February. But just
Speaker 1: tease us a little bit, tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about you know, we know your positions. We know that
Speaker 1: you are a strong, strong believer in people helping themselves,
Speaker 1: in not being dependent on the government, in finding their
Speaker 1: own way and being enabled to do that by the
Speaker 1: government rather than being made dependent on the government. Are
Speaker 1: there experiences from your childhood, from your biography that you
Speaker 1: can tell us, you know, connect you to the positions
Speaker 1: that you would later go on to develop and advocate
Speaker 1: for in the in the public sphere.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, certainly I've been I'm survivor of DV.
Speaker 6: My mother's a survivor of DV. I think there's nothing
Speaker 6: more empowering for an individual when you can overcome those
Speaker 6: really difficult challenges in your life to stand on your
Speaker 6: own two feet. You know, A really significant point, you know,
Speaker 6: which might not mean much to others, but on a
Speaker 6: personal level, there was a period of time where I
Speaker 6: was a single mother of three little boys, and when
Speaker 6: I had the opportunity to work in a job that
Speaker 6: gave got me away from a dependency on parenting payment
Speaker 6: and I could pay my own bills. It's just those
Speaker 6: little things, those little achievements in fact, that you go, wow,
Speaker 6: you know, that's actually quite It's that freedom and empowerment
Speaker 6: through little things like that in your life. You know,
Speaker 6: it's overcoming big challenges and knowing the closest ones to you,
Speaker 6: your loved ones, the way that they also ride those
Speaker 6: challenges you as well, and just it's just I think
Speaker 6: an incredible It's been an incredible experience of looking back
Speaker 6: over my childhood as well, and you know, moments of
Speaker 6: my childhood that just sort of I go, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: I was a real little bush kid, you know, I
Speaker 6: grew up in a swag and I spent a lot
Speaker 6: of time at bush and in communities and that was
Speaker 6: sort of normal for me. And you know to nowadays
Speaker 6: being a politician, and when you're a politician you spend
Speaker 6: a lot of time pounding pavement and cities and in
Speaker 6: Canberra and sort of that contrast between that life in
Speaker 6: the bush and to life now. But also I think
Speaker 6: relationships between human beings and when you create understanding, there's
Speaker 6: a real richness that comes from that and a depth
Speaker 6: where I think we can we can find a way
Speaker 6: forward to overcome really difficult situations when we create understanding
Speaker 6: between human beings. I think they're the important elements of
Speaker 6: it for me, and it's been a real Yeah, it's
Speaker 6: been a real journey so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean one of the things I was
Speaker 1: sort of struck by here is just when you were
Speaker 1: just talking about this and you said, you know that
Speaker 1: when you were going through a very difficult time, and
Speaker 1: it was those sort of small steps of slowly empowering yourself.
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously look at where you've come,
Speaker 1: and I guess they're parallels to the situation for bety
Speaker 1: indigenous communities and the NT and elsewhere where. People you know,
Speaker 1: look at this as a this seems like such a
Speaker 1: big problem, how do you solve it? But I guess
Speaker 1: the thing is what you're saying is and you can
Speaker 1: apply this in everybody's lives. If you've got a big problem,
Speaker 1: you start by making the small steps. Is that is
Speaker 1: that kind of the point of this book?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? I think throughout my life I have had a
Speaker 6: go at just about anything to understand what it is
Speaker 6: I do love and appreciate doing in life and what
Speaker 6: I'm capable of as well. And I think that's the
Speaker 6: most important part is anybody is capable. But it's not
Speaker 6: until you experience, as you said, those small steps do
Speaker 6: you realize your own capabilities, and once you've done something,
Speaker 6: you sort of look behind you go, wow, I've got
Speaker 6: this far. I'm going to keep going. I'm going to
Speaker 6: keep pushing forward. And you know, I think for a
Speaker 6: lot of Indigenous Australians, we're often told through this woke
Speaker 6: sort of culture, this idea that we're victims, and we don't.
Speaker 6: You know, it's not our responsibility to take those steps
Speaker 6: forward for ourselves, and that's totally removing somebody's agency. You know.
Speaker 6: I talk a lot about some of the adversity that
Speaker 6: me and my family members have overcome over the years,
Speaker 6: but a lot of my family have never viewed themselves
Speaker 6: as victims either. That victim mentality was never something that
Speaker 6: was passed down, certainly to my grandparents who lived you know,
Speaker 6: who first saw white people in their early adolescence, they
Speaker 6: just went, it's life. It's tough, but we've got to
Speaker 6: move forward.
Speaker 1: Interested. I mean, I don't want to make it a
Speaker 1: political thing, but it does. You know, you have spoken
Speaker 1: about this. Do you think there is an issue where
Speaker 1: labor particularly encourages this sort of dependency and passivity and
Speaker 1: with indigenous and average or strands that you are connected
Speaker 1: with and talk to and know you would you know deeply,
Speaker 1: is there a rebellion against some of that idea that
Speaker 1: people want to do something more and stop being told
Speaker 1: ah your victims all the time.
Speaker 6: Yes, I certainly feel there is a shift taking place,
Speaker 6: you know. For I think growing up, you know, our
Speaker 6: family were labor voting family, and when we thought, well, actually,
Speaker 6: you know, my mother had been appointed the chair of
Speaker 6: the Indigenous Affairs Advisory Committee for a former territory labor
Speaker 6: government and she found that it was just a token
Speaker 6: group and if she wanted to be part of the change,
Speaker 6: she wanted to put her hand up herself to implement
Speaker 6: that change. And that's what she did. And that's what
Speaker 6: we've always done. I've gone, well, no, we want we
Speaker 6: want an environment. And this is why I guess we've
Speaker 6: become conservatives because you can debate, you can have different opinions,
Speaker 6: and you can have respectful debate amongst yourselves, amongst ourselves,
Speaker 6: but ultimately we're all looking for a path forward instead
Speaker 6: of you know, blaming something and maintaining a sort of
Speaker 6: stagnant situation where nobody gets to shift. And you know,
Speaker 6: that's been a huge part of my journey absolutely, and
Speaker 6: my family's.
Speaker 1: Journey, Shadow Indigenous Affairs Minister, just sit to Price. We're
Speaker 1: going to have to leave it there. The book is
Speaker 1: going to be called Memoirs. Sorry, Matters from the Heart,
Speaker 1: Matters Over the Heart. It'll be out next February. I
Speaker 1: read probably book a week or two and I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to read this one. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on Pulmary Live. Now, after the break, we're going
Speaker 1: to go stateside with Adam B. Coleman from Wrong to
Speaker 1: Speak Publishing. More on the craziness with Buyer, to the
Speaker 1: Secret Service, Trump, everything stick around after break. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the program. James Borrow, he'll here filling in for
Speaker 1: Paul on Paul Murray Live. Now, let's cross to the
Speaker 1: States with my very special guest, Adam B. Colvid from
Speaker 1: Wrong Speak Publishing. Adam I said earlier in the show
Speaker 1: that these scenes in Rohome with Beach Delaware must seem
Speaker 1: a bit like the death of Stalin, when everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of running around and trying to figure out who to
Speaker 1: go with and who the next leader is going to
Speaker 1: be and everything like that. We've got all these reports
Speaker 1: Biden is still recovering from alleged COVID and reportedly seething
Speaker 1: in his beach house as all the Democrats try and
Speaker 1: figure out what is going to happen next Adam, the
Speaker 1: calls grow louder, but it seems like he is set
Speaker 1: to dig his heels in. I know what I think,
Speaker 1: But what's your take? Is he gonna stay or is
Speaker 1: he gonna go?
Speaker 5: So right now, we're at a point where we're just
Speaker 5: doing speculation, you know, we're predicting the future. I'm of
Speaker 5: I guess the growing unpopular belief that Biden is not
Speaker 5: going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. This is exactly what I think.
Speaker 5: Right there are a lot of people. One thing I
Speaker 5: noticed is that every time there's a new speculation that
Speaker 5: someone is pushing him in a particular direction, here comes
Speaker 5: him or someone and within his camp refuting it. And
Speaker 5: then there was a report that came out that said
Speaker 5: he's open to considering it, and then the very next
Speaker 5: day refuting it. So I'm to me that that sounds
Speaker 5: like I don't know if he's like really willing to
Speaker 5: go for this. I think a lot of it is reacting,
Speaker 5: obviously to the terrible debate that happened. But the reality
Speaker 5: is that Joe Biden has been this way for a
Speaker 5: long time, and I think if he waits long enough,
Speaker 5: the reality was set in it's either Joe Biden or
Speaker 5: Donald Trump. And for the Democrat donors who are upset
Speaker 5: and think somebody else should go in there and there
Speaker 5: should be this fantasy, you know, three to four month
Speaker 5: election for whoever comes in in his place and they'll
Speaker 5: just automatically win. The reality was set in that Joe
Speaker 5: Biden is actually the best person to beat Donald Trump
Speaker 5: because most of America would have to be convinced that
Speaker 5: this new person has better policy and stuff, or even
Speaker 5: just the people who barely pay attention to politics have
Speaker 5: to know that there's a new person who is running
Speaker 5: for office, and that takes time.
Speaker 1: Well, how is it that you know we've got and
Speaker 1: you mentioned the donors, but also the media. So we're
Speaker 1: seeing this big rebellion against Joe Biden and all of this. Now,
Speaker 1: all of these people knew, they all knew that he
Speaker 1: had a problem to some degree or another, and it's
Speaker 1: all coming out. How much is this rebellion and I
Speaker 1: think it's a very anti democratic rebellion against Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: How much of that has to do with the fact
Speaker 1: that all of these guys and ladies were made to
Speaker 1: look like idiots after that debate, when suddenly the thing
Speaker 1: that they were covering up for they couldn't hide anymore.
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's partly behind what the
Speaker 5: Democratic Party is experiencing. When I say Democratic Party, I'm
Speaker 5: losing that loosely referencing the media.
Speaker 1: Of course, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think it's it's much of the same vein.
Speaker 5: You have the donors, you have the believers in the
Speaker 5: Democratic Party, much of them infuse into the media as well.
Speaker 5: You have everybody all at the same time pushing for
Speaker 5: this man to be pushed out of office or actually
Speaker 5: pushed out of for for re election. So I think
Speaker 5: it's the same. It's the same motivations, it's the same
Speaker 5: feeling they're realizing one that everybody sees what we've been saying, right,
Speaker 5: it's not right wing propaganda. We've been claiming that he's
Speaker 5: falling apart because he's been literally falling all over the place,
Speaker 5: which is abnormal. He's been stuttering and stammering. He doesn't
Speaker 5: have a speech impediment that he's always had his entire life.
Speaker 5: And listen to this man for years speak. He never stuttered,
Speaker 5: you know whatsoever. So the lies are easy to show
Speaker 5: that this is all true. And I think that the
Speaker 5: media is, yes, feeling embarrassed, but also realizing that everyone
Speaker 5: sees behind the veil, and the easiest thing for them
Speaker 5: to do is try to push Joe Biden out and
Speaker 5: put somebody else in who's younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sure, but they don't have any sort
Speaker 1: of succession plan. And the thing too is if they
Speaker 1: also don't have an answer if they have him step down.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thought on this. If they
Speaker 1: have him step down, the great problem is how do
Speaker 1: they say, oh, but he's okay to be president, he
Speaker 1: just can't run for office. I mean, how does that work?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Well, because they're playing off a technicality of they don't
Speaker 5: think he's capable of beating Donald Trump, right, but they're
Speaker 5: not saying that he incapable of running running the country, right.
Speaker 5: So those are two separate things. Donald Trump looks more
Speaker 5: mentally capable than Joe Biden does, but they're not claiming
Speaker 5: that Joe Biden is incapable of running the country. So
Speaker 5: it's that kind of him and Hall in between the two.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a state for America to be is
Speaker 1: that you've got a president who's basically running the show
Speaker 1: on a technicality. But there was a crazy column in
Speaker 1: The Hill Newspaper, which is basically the trade paper for
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. A columnist has written that, and I want
Speaker 1: your quick reaction to this, Adam B. Coleman, that Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 1: oh my god, would actually be the best solution to
Speaker 1: this problem. Please tell me that this is not.
Speaker 5: So. I'm just hoping that this is one of those
Speaker 5: things where someone is just trying to go outside the
Speaker 5: box and get some attention, because I don't know. Once
Speaker 5: twice didn't work out for her, and so I I
Speaker 5: don't think this is the move. Honestly, like I'm saying before,
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody can come in and run a campaign.
Speaker 5: You know that we run campaigns for over a year
Speaker 5: for a presidential race. There's a reason for it. It
Speaker 5: takes a long time. You got to raise money, you
Speaker 5: have to let people know what's going on, what's your policy,
Speaker 5: all these things. And the idea that someone's just going
Speaker 5: to come in and automatically get support in three to
Speaker 5: four months as the executive of the country I think
Speaker 5: is dumbfoundingly foolish. So I don't think anybody who's worth
Speaker 5: actually being the President of the United States would want
Speaker 5: to take this role.
Speaker 1: Indeed, look I think you're right. It's a tough job.
Speaker 1: Who would want to Addam being coin for wrong publishing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me tonight, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for letting me sit in the man
Speaker 1: cave Paul Murley. Back with you tomorrow night here at
Speaker 1: nine on Sky. See you soon.