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Speaker 1: Now our very own Whipper from ninety six point nine

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Speaker 1: in Sydney has launched a campaign targeting social media and

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Speaker 1: the relatively young age at which kids are allowed on

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Speaker 1: at thirteen. He's got a petition running and it's called

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Speaker 1: thirty six it's thirty six months and that is to

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Speaker 1: delay jumping on social media for that long, so kids

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be on it until they're sixteen. Let's meet him.

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Speaker 1: It's on the line.

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Speaker 2: Whip A good morning, Thank you, Medie, thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me on, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: I think this is really worth while talking about. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously getting an important message to young kids to teenage.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's been amazing? And if we go

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Speaker 3: to the petition now we're sort of at one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 3: well signatures and I thank you for signing, and I

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Speaker 3: encourage everybody to go to thirty six months dot com

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Speaker 3: dot au and sign the petition. But that's one hell

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Speaker 3: of a noise. I want you to picture the MCG

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Speaker 3: on Grand Final Day. That's one hundred thousand people. I

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Speaker 3: want you to picture Taylor Swift the MCG.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred thousand. I mean, if we could.

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Speaker 3: Get a flash mob of everybody who signed that petition,

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Speaker 3: A cheers squad to follow me to the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 3: office and on the count of three, we all start

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Speaker 3: yelling because that's what we want. Then I'm sure he

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Speaker 3: would turn around and take notice, because it's important the

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Speaker 3: petition is signed, and it's important that that thirty six

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Speaker 3: months or the difference between the ages of thirteen to

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Speaker 3: sixteen is handed back to the kids.

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Why do you think that is so important?

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Speaker 1: Why are you trying to change it?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: It was first brought to my attention when I saw

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Speaker 3: the alarming statistic that one in two kids have mental

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Speaker 3: health challenges because.

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Speaker 2: Of social media.

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Speaker 3: And when we talk about that, we're talking about teenage

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Speaker 3: girls in particular. The increase of depression, anxiety, and self

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Speaker 3: harm has gone through the roof. The gradual increase of

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Speaker 3: boys exists, but it's a slower, steady, but often devastating

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Speaker 3: result in the end. So that's the nature of what

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Speaker 3: social media has been doing to young minds. And there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of matter. There's a lot of talk about smartphones,

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Speaker 3: a lot of talk about internet, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: talk about screen time. I understand that, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: here to tell you that a smartphone is bad. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that Instagram is bad, but I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you that social media for the young adolescent mind

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Speaker 3: that's extremely fragile in those early teen years, is not

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Speaker 3: a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Is it. The bullying particularly that can occur.

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Speaker 2: Bullying's a big thing. There's many, many issues.

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Speaker 3: The bullying is often spoken about, and you're spot on

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Speaker 3: because you know the nature of what it used to

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Speaker 3: be where you might get picked on at school, and

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Speaker 3: then finally you shut the door in your home and

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Speaker 3: that becomes your safe space and there's conversations hopefully you

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Speaker 3: can have with your mum and dad that's now been

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Speaker 3: removed because the bullying continues at home.

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Speaker 2: And the minute you.

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Speaker 3: Join a social media platform, if you're thirteen, or maybe

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Speaker 3: you're even younger, you know, there's no real strict age

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Speaker 3: gait on a lot of these social media platforms. The

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Speaker 3: minute you joined, there's an element of judgment that occurs. Now,

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Speaker 3: that's the natural thing about putting yourself out there in

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Speaker 3: this space. You don't have the maturity for that, and

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Speaker 3: quite often you have the feeling of being ranked. So

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Speaker 3: you go to bed at night and you're flat because

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Speaker 3: you feel ranked.

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Speaker 2: You wake up and you check your social status.

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Speaker 3: Again from a smart algorithm that's decided whether it wants

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Speaker 3: you to be popular in that moment at time. So

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Speaker 3: it's almost out of your hands on who you become

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Speaker 3: based on the social media that's presented to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's so true. And for anyone who's seen

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Speaker 1: a social is a dilemma. I think a movie on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it, it explains how that algorithm

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Speaker 1: is designed to work, and it's pretty scary.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, that's extremely scary.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the guy who I think created the like

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Speaker 3: button for Facebook, he quit his job when he saw

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Speaker 3: the direct correlation between the introduction of the like button

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Speaker 3: and the suicide rate in young people. That's how aggressive

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Speaker 3: it is. So and that's been the biggest issue we have.

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Speaker 3: It's the addictive features of social media where it's designed

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Speaker 3: to keep you on there for as long as possible.

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Speaker 3: That's when the harm is done. So it's the infinite scrolling,

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Speaker 3: it's the likes, that the shares, it's the views, it's

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Speaker 3: the streaming numbers that's the big hitter, and that's why

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Speaker 3: it's so dangerous to the adolescent mind who are trying

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Speaker 3: to get to know themselves, and we've been using the

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Speaker 3: catchphrase mate, you get to know yourself before the rest

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Speaker 3: of the world does. That's what giving back this thirty

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Speaker 3: six months would do.

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Speaker 1: As you know, though we're talking to kids, they're pretty

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Speaker 1: resilient find ways around things and saying, you know you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get on this till sixteen, Well, how

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Speaker 1: do you police that? Ultimately, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Great question, and there's two sides to it. One is

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Speaker 3: that kids will always find a way. And if the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister was to come out and say we're changing

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Speaker 3: the law, that doesn't mean the social network is actually

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Speaker 3: going to agree to that in a sense that they

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Speaker 3: would change or change the mechanic about joining that social

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Speaker 3: media group. But at the same time, at least it

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Speaker 3: would give the parents the power back to be able

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Speaker 3: to say, hey, robbing a bank, stealing a car and

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Speaker 3: going on social media prior to the age of sixteen,

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Speaker 3: it's illegal.

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Speaker 2: You don't do it because.

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Speaker 3: At the moment the parents just feel powerless because they

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Speaker 3: feel like they have to give in because little Timmy

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Speaker 3: on it, and therefore he feels this social isolation. So

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Speaker 3: the kids don't win and the parents don't win. So

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Speaker 3: the idea as well is to give the power back

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Speaker 3: to the parents.

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Speaker 1: All right, So hopefully that does indeed happen in parents,

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Speaker 1: you know, just stay firm in that regard and make

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Speaker 1: sure they don't do it. Well.

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Speaker 3: I think too, Maddie. We've got a great opportunity here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's changes taking place state by state in

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Speaker 3: the US. We've got a great opportunity as a nation

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Speaker 3: to put our hand up and say, hey, guys, as

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Speaker 3: a country, this app that you've got, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: We don't put up with that, and we know what's

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Speaker 3: best for our teenagers. So unless they're sixteen and we

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Speaker 3: can put we can stick a flag in the sand

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Speaker 3: here failure and be a world leader on this topic.

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Speaker 1: Now, the PM has given you in principal support, hasn't

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Speaker 1: he You've.

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Speaker 2: Had he has, absolutely he recognizes it.

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Speaker 3: Whether he'll actually do something about it is why we

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Speaker 3: need everybody to go to thirty six months dot com

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Speaker 3: dot au to sign that petition. That's the great driver

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Speaker 3: for us, because the numbers are the voices, and the

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Speaker 3: voice is the power.

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Speaker 2: So that is our drive at.

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Speaker 3: The moment, but I have in principal issues with the

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Speaker 3: fact that I mean, I have a nine year old,

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Speaker 3: and when we first decided to launch thirty six months,

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Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, well, I've got four years to get

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Speaker 3: this done. So that's my commitment to this, but hopefully

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Speaker 3: we can get it done before then, because they're really

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Speaker 3: the social media platform is selling on your child's attention span.

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Speaker 3: You know, your child's attention span is infantry for their platform,

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Speaker 3: and you're working for them for free. Your child is

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Speaker 3: the product.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and it's scary, you know, just reports in

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Speaker 1: the last few well in the last week I reckon

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Speaker 1: where I saw was it on your side? I can't

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Speaker 1: recall now, but anyway, somebody a young girls saying I

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Speaker 1: got on TikTok, thinking I'd be ten minutes. I looked

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Speaker 1: at the clerk what I thought was ten minutes later,

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Speaker 1: three hours had gone by. Just the addictive nature of

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Speaker 1: it all, Yeah, scrolling through.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what it happens to me too, Maddie.

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Speaker 3: But I'm forty four and I've lived a little bit longer,

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Speaker 3: and I've got some skills to be able to deal

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Speaker 3: with that on a more mature level. And the idea

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Speaker 3: of thirty six months is if I can paint a

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Speaker 3: positive here, imagine what we can do with that's thirty

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Speaker 3: six months. We're giving it back, giving it back to

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Speaker 3: families to reunite. We're giving it back so you can

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Speaker 3: have the education on cyber safety. We can give you

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Speaker 3: the skills to handle and what to expect when you

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Speaker 3: have these moments on social media or whether you're inappropriately approached.

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Speaker 3: We can give you those skills if you decide to

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Speaker 3: join social media down the track.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. Yeah, indeed, great opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, we're but well done. I'm doing this and

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Speaker 1: hope everyone gets behind at thirty six months. One word

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Speaker 1: as in three six months dot com dot are you

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Speaker 1: and sign the petition there or go to change dot

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Speaker 1: org and you'll find it there as well. Great initiative, mate,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. Hope it goes well and

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Speaker 1: hope the pollies listen.

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Speaker 2: Now it means the world, Mattie, thank you for having

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Speaker 2: me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Whipper from Sydney Breakfast No. Over ninety six

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Speaker 1: point nine along with FITZI and he's got this campaign

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Speaker 1: running thirty six months dot com that are. You go

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Speaker 1: there and you have a look at it and see

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Speaker 1: what it's about. But a great initiative and what harm

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Speaker 1: can come from it? Nothing simple as that. So go

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Speaker 1: and sign the petition. Let's get social media out of kids'

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Speaker 1: hands at that young age. And okay, they want to

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Speaker 1: sign up at sixteen, frankly, make it eighteen, make it

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Speaker 1: another twenty four months on top, but at least start

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Speaker 1: at sixteen. That's certainly a start.