WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 24 October 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:07.320 Why On Sky News Australia, This is to Nika de Giorgio. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.240 Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight, Chris 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.240 Bowen's secret climate files. Why won't he release details about 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.080 Australia's emissions reduction targets? Victorian Premier decint To Allen leaves 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.640 a door open to bail changes, but her cabinet says no, 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.280 no wonder the States had a mess. Shadow Police Minister 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 David Southwick will join me shortly, and King Charles becomes 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.960 the first British monarch to pray with a pope in 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.160 five hundred years. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.760 But first tonight. The Coalition has. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.239 A real chance next week to come to a position 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.120 on net zero when MPs meet on Friday to discuss 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.479 the policy. Now, look, I've got to say this slow 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.800 and steady approach by Susan Lee and her twelvemonth review 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:56.000 into energy is quite frankly boring and uninspiring at a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.320 time when labor is destroying our energy future. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.760 This government's energy policy is a train wreck, and every 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:05.959 day we stand up there and we. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:06.880 Hold them to account. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.720 I'm pretty sure the answers that are coming back to 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.840 our surveys, we'll be telling our team, the costs are 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.959 going up, that affordability is worse, and that it's getting 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.880 harder and harder to pay your bills, your energy bills 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.360 and balance your family budget under this government which doesn't 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.479 care about productivity and doesn't care about rising prices. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.800 Well, the reality is we know this, You at home 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.640 know this. The question for Susan Lee is what are 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.600 you going to do about it? We desperately need an 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:45.760 alternative government with an alternative approach, a strong opposition to 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:51.240 hold labor to account, not one with unclear positions, disunity 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.040 and a labor light approach. Now labor can and is 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.920 doing whatever it wants to wreck this country, and in 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:02.040 particular when it comes to our energy rid because it can. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.680 Our power bills are going up and up. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:05.440 There was a. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.400 Record heat wave across New South Wales this week. In 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.120 surprise surprise, the electricity grid did not cope. Thousands of 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.560 residents across the state were left without power. And we're 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.440 only in October, it's not even summer yet yet. We 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:23.800 are bending over backwards financially and environmentally to save the 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.760 world from the alleged climate change armageddon. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.440 Why are we the ones. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.000 Doing the heavy lifting energy policies are sending us broke 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:37.720 and backwards. It is time to dump net zero. Former 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.600 Prime Minister Tony Abbott has called on the Liberal Party 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.399 to ditch what he described as a strait jacket. Here 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.600 he was speaking with my colleague Peter Kredlin. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.200 There is no climate crisis, and to the extent that 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:56.200 climate is changing, we shouldn't assume that mankind is the 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.600 main factor in it. Reducing emissions is nice to do, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.120 but the net zero straight jacket is doing all sorts 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.480 of damage to our country and we've just got to 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.040 get away, get away from it. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.040 And look he's not wrong. You can't be in and 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:14.760 out on this. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.639 I mean, it's not the hokey pokey where you put 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.560 your right arm in and you take it out again. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.360 Our energy future cannot be compromised. And the reality is 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.840 the opposition took this policy of net zero twenty fifty 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.120 to the last two elections and still lost. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.760 So have some courage to make a position now. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.840 This week Chris Bowen addressed the Financial Reviews Energy and 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.920 Climate Summit, and here is how the paper summed up 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.279 the event. It says Chris Bowen tells us the economics 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.480 for investing in renewables remain utterly convincing, but new wind 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.080 and solar farms have stalled, and we've heard about little 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.800 other than the challengers for the past two days. Another 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.960 analysis went on to say that speaker after speaker try 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.560 to be positive, but the replacement of an aging fleet 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.000 of coal fired power plants with a combination of large 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.640 scale renewable energy firmed by gas and batteries isn't happening 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.080 fast enough. The rollout of transmission infrastructure isn't where it 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:16.640 needs to be. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:18.680 New supply isn't. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.160 Coming into the market nearly quick enough to meet rising demand. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.640 How much more evidence does the opposition need to get 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.960 us off this renewables only magic carpet right? Meanwhile, the 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.280 minister in charge of this mess is up to his 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.160 tricky tricks again. Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.159 and his bureaucrats are refusing to release critical advice around 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.200 the challenges and potential pitfalls of Labour's net zero plans. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.360 Now the Minister and his department have repeatedly resisted Senate 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.040 attempts to compel them to release a government brief prepared 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.640 for mister Bowen in the wake of the May election. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.800 This brief has been the subject of a freedom of 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.440 information request and multiple Senate orders to produce the documents. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.160 According to The Australian, the advice would likely have canvassed 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.320 issues around Australia's current and future emissions reduction targets, advice 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.560 to government on nuclear energy, as well as a challenger's 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.640 facing Labour's push to secure next year's COP thirty one conference. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:23.240 But to no avail. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:29.039 Chris Bowen is keeping his secret files secret. Clerk of 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.000 the Senate Richard Pye, has declared Labour has no grounds 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.120 to withhold. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.960 This brief, So why the secrecy? I mean, if. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:40.640 Bowen has nothing to hide about our energy transition, why 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.640 is he hiding this? And all it can be put 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.400 down to is that the evidence is stacking up against him. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:52.080 We were told our power bills would go down under renewables. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.200 Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.040 Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.560 By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:01.760 a year one. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.880 Hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.000 Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.160 A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.560 average house lower in twenty twenty five than today. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.560 Yeah, instead they've gone up by one thousand dollars. Labor 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.800 also told us about how confident they are that we 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.120 will reach our emissions reduction targets. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.680 Net zero by twenty fifty is not enough, but it's 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.080 the beaar entry point to a conversation. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.240 We have legislated net zero by twenty fifty. We have 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.400 one energy policy and we are delivering it. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.679 The world is changing and the speed of that change 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.760 is accelerating as we move towards net zero by twenty fifty. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.880 Net zero by twenty fifty is the absolute bare minimum 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.560 required to avoid one point five degrees of warming. Hence 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.000 the government and the country remain committed to it. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.360 We've got our own ambitious set of commitments to get 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.480 to net zero by twenty fifty. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.400 A plan that we have legislided, a plan we took 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.400 to an election of net zero by twenty fifty. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.640 Of course, net zero by twenty fifty is the end goal, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.880 but you've got to have important targets in the meantime, Yet. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.600 We've been worn time and time again by experts that 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.720 we will not reach our emissions reduction targets as they 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:27.080 are via an experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.040 green hydrogen, solar farms and batteries. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.000 The situation is so bad. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.480 Ross Gano, a longtime advisor to the Labor government and 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.200 a backer of renewable energy, said Australia is currently on 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.320 a trajectory to miss its renewable targets because of low 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.760 investment and output in grid scale solar and wind. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.440 Not by a little but by a big margin. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.240 Yet, as we know, Labour has now drummed up a 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.480 sixty two to seventy percent by twenty thirty five target 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.760 with absolutely no clue what it means for your power 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.720 bills and how much it will cost you. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.760 What will the total cost of net zero be by 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:07.800 twenty fifty Prime Mini. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.520 At third, Well, it depends what figures you look for 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:15.320 if you look for investment for twenty thirty five, The 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:20.960 Business Council of Australia saying that the cost will be 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.000 around about four hundred to five hundred billion dollars if 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.600 you ask for what our policy is yesday we announced 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.280 it an additional eight point three billion dollars of investment, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.240 meaning our total investment is seventy five billion dollars. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.400 Can you name figure? Yeah? 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.480 Six hundred billion was the cost of Peter Dutton's plan. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.240 Yesterday we announced an eight point five billion dollar investment 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.760 that takes total government expenditure to around seventy five billion. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.800 What will be the total cost of net zero by 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:45.880 twenty fifty. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.240 In terms of the budget. That's seventy more than seventy 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.800 five billion dollars that we've outlined. The total cost of 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.160 not achieving net zero, as is outline in the National 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.839 Risk Assessment, is many times more than that. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.120 We've got a bit annoyse coming in. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:59.679 I think that's a good rap. Thanks guys. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.920 Yes, So, while your bills continue to go up and 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.840 up under the net zero fantasy, Chris Bowen's game of 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.679 heide and seek of briefing documents does not cut it. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.520 What is in your secret climate file? 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:11.960 Chris? 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:19.920 Australians want and deserve to know, Joddy. Now for more 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.880 on this is Shadow Attorney General Andrew Wallace. Andrew, good 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.079 to see he as always, thanks for joining me. Look first, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.000 he has his own set of facts. Now Chris Bowen 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.760 and his bureaucrats are simply refusing to release information that 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.000 we're told underpins their whole net zero agenda. I mean, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.560 even the Clerk of the Senate, this is the top 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.280 level parliamentary officer, has said Labour's got no ground to 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:50.520 withhold this brief, and yet Andrew somehow it's still locked away. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.000 Well, Denika, this is an incoming government brief. So this 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.240 is a brief that would be provided to the government 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.719 after the last election, which would set out the challenges 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:03.800 that lay ahead. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:04.120 For the government. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.000 There would be all sorts of nuggets in there about 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:12.000 the costs of the government's net zero plans, and jeezn't 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.120 it it's pretty strange that the government would want to 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.840 try and keep that from the Parliament, even more. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.160 So from the Australian people. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.400 I smell arout here, Daneika, and we've got the master 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.360 of missing disinformation himself, Chris Bowen. This is a government 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:36.080 who have consistently promised transparency, accountability, and now they won't 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.559 be upfront with the Australian people about how much their energy. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.680 Policy is going to cost the Australian public. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.840 Yeah, not only how much is going to cost the 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.720 Australian public, but how much energy bills are actually going 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.720 to come down by that? Everything has been kept very 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.760 secret right now, which is highly suspicious. Now, Andrew, the 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.559 rubber is really going to hit the road for your 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.720 party next Friday with a party room meeting to thrash 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.800 out the division on net zero. Now, obviously you know 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.680 we're probably not likely to get a policy position next week, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.560 but surely it is time that the Coalition settles this 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.280 matter because every day it's causing more and more division. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.240 Well, Deniko, I just want to pick you up on 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.800 something there, and that is we don't have a party room. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:23.560 Meeting next Friday. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:28.920 It's just it's a policy committee meeting for those people 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.120 that are interested in this very very important policy area. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.320 It's not a whole of the joint party room. It's 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.960 in fact one of the many policy committee meetings that 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.440 are going on across all of the portfolios that Susan 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.520 has set up that we are working hard across all 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.760 these portfolios to build policies to take to the next selection. Now, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.080 as far as your concerns, we've spoken about this quite 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.600 a lot, and I understand your concerns. 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.240 I understand that Australians. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.199 Want to know what our policy is on net zero, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.720 but we're going through a very very detailed process that's been. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.520 Led by Dan Tien. We can't rush this. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.640 We've got to get it right and so don't expect 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.800 an outcome next Friday. It's going to take time. We're 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.160 only less than six months since the last election. There's 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.120 a lot of groundwork we need to do. There's a 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.520 lot of consultation we need to do. We need to 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.160 make sure of all policies that we land this one right. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.640 So we don't want to rush it. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.800 But I mean, you know, Susan Lee's standing out there 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.480 even today saying, okay, you know Lab's wrecking our energy grid. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.240 The reality is is we know that we know Labor. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 I have absolutely no clue how to keep the lights 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:43.320 on in this country. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.880 But what we want to know is what is the. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.920 Coalition going to do about it? And that I think 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:48.920 is the key issue here. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:51.880 Yeah. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.440 Look, we are absolutely driven and committed to ensuring that 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.960 our energy grid, our national energy grid, is a ford 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.640 and that it provides dispatchable base load power. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.439 We don't want to see. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.800 Businesses, large scale businesses closing down. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.160 As we are starting to see. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.760 We don't want to see them becoming totally reliant on 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:18.960 government subsidies as we're seeing under this government. Australians deserve 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.600 this is twenty twenty five, for God's sake, Danika. When 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.560 people turn on their air conditioner or their heater, they 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:26.719 expect to be. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.360 Able to use them. We don't expect the power to 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.520 go out. But that's exactly where we're heading under Chris Bowen. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.040 We need to ensure that we have a reliable grid 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:44.080 that provides dispatchable power, but importantly that it provides affordable 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.239 energy to Australians. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:47.080 So there's a lot of work to do. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.000 It's not something you can just click your fingers on 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.160 and produce a policy. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.000 But bear with us, we're working hard on it. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.840 Well, I understand that everyone's saying everyone, all liberal MPs 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.640 are saying, bear with us, with us. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.120 I just wonder though, for how long for Andrew? 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.520 You know, But look, as I said, I don't even 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.719 if it was just a policy position, you know, I 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.120 don't think anyone's saying come out with a huge, you know, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.280 a big policy now, but just having a position at 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.480 the very least. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.880 Well, Danika, our policy position is this, we need to 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.160 provide an energy grid, an energy system in this country 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.440 that provides dispatchable base load power that's affordable for Australians 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.440 and Australian businesses. That's what we're working on. The detail 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.000 will follow, all right. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.480 Before we let you go, I want to ask you 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:37.800 about this. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.640 In new report for the US Studies Center finding that 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.200 our missile defense systems are quite inadequate to protect us 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:45.520 against Chinese missiles. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.440 And if that's not concerning enough, we learned that. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.560 The ADF has embarked on an austerity drive, delaying projects 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.640 and slashing costs. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.320 Andrew, okay, fine. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:55.920 I will say that the Prime ministers had to win 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.000 this week in Washington in Orcust, but that's years off. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.600 Right now, this sounds like we are very exposed. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.800 Well, Danika, we absolutely are utterly exposed. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:10.800 There's no doubt about that. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.600 I've been on the Defense Committee now for probably five 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:22.080 or six years. Our ground based air defense systems a 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:28.880 laughing stock. Our northern bases, our bases that provide intelligence 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.920 services and communications equipment, their ability to be able to 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.880 project air power from our northern bases, all of these 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:46.720 places are at risk. Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Now, this is 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:51.040 not some sort of dream time. We're seeing these attacks 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.200 take place in other parts around the world, like in Ukraine. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.000 We live in the most dangerous geostrategic time since nineteen 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:05.160 forty five, and we have critical, critically important assets in 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.120 the north of Australia and they are absolutely exposed. They 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.200 are literally undefended at the moment, and that is criminal. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.160 This government needs to act. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.640 It's putting all of its money into Orcus and it's 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.920 ripping the guts out of defense. The author of the 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.880 one of the authors of the Defense Strategic Review, Peter Dean, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.760 has identified this very issue himself that we are utterly 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.600 exposed with our lack of ground air defense systems. And 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.280 you know, you're absolutely right what you said before, Deneka, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.440 and that is this absolute cannibalism that is going on 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:50.160 in defense where we see reserve hours being cut from 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.360 two hundred hours a month under one hundred and fifty hours. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.920 We're seeing pilots being effectively. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.880 Grounded and not being able to get air time to 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.720 be able to train because we can't afford to. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.000 Put them in the air. This is madness. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.840 It is it's a huge, huge worry and leaves us 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.600 even more exposed at a time where you know we 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.040 are wide open. Andrew Wallace, We've got to leave it there. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.840 Nice to see you as always. Thanks very much for 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.680 joining me on the show this evening. Well remember last 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.600 week when Victorian Premier just sent to Alan told us this. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.159 The CBD of Melbourne is safe, and I wish to 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.440 reiterate that the Melbourne CBD is safe. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.520 Well it was a joke then and an even bigger 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.719 joke now. Labour seems to have lost control of crime 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.800 and serious questions are being asked about the leniency of 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:42.200 bail applications after three teenagers accused of a machete attack 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.320 at Luna Park this month were set free on bail, 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.760 despite the magistrate acknowledging the allegations were extremely serious. Joining 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.640 me now is Victoria's shadow Police Minister, David Southwick. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.320 David, thank you for your time. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.119 Look, the Premier is leaving the door open to further 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.720 bail changes, we're told, but that in spite of all 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.000 we've seen, some of her cabinets still don't want to 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.800 see the laws tightened. Surely this is completely at odds 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.520 with community expectations. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.800 Yeah, gratefully with you, Denika you're absolutely right. So the 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.800 government's very much divided on toughening out bay laws. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:20.920 And don't forget. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.000 We had the Premius say we've got the toughest bail 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.480 laws in the nation. Yet we're seeing, as you mentioned, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:32.440 an offender that had allegedly two other machete attacks being 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.120 bailed again. I was at Luna Park yesterday actually where 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.280 the attack took place. That's a family friendly area, that's 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.800 somewhere that people take their kids and enjoy. I was 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.680 outside the big mouth of Luna Park, which some would 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.639 say that he's smiling. I would say very much that 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.080 young offenders are smiling and laughing at this government because 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.719 they have weak laws and if you break the law 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.200 in Victoria, you're out and about, certainly before police even 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.119 finish their shit. Police are exhausted, they're frustrated. Victorians have 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.360 had enough, they've had a gut full. It's a law 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.679 of state. And you mentioned as well, you know the 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.960 rocks being pelted at police. It's all happening in Victoria. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.719 It's hopeless. It gives no confidence for anyone wanting to 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.000 restart Victoria. And we've got to ensure that the state's 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.399 safe and it absolutely is not. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:20.400 Well, you're right. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.920 I mean, this is exactly what Victoria's you know, toughest 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:24.920 bail laws. 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:26.080 In the country looks like. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.399 And it's been an absolute disaster from day one. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.600 What does the opposition want to see. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.119 Done right now to crack down on really what feels 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.639 like daily stories of serious knife crime. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:37.800 Yeah. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.560 Well, if you're committing a serious crime, and particularly when 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.639 somebody is going into your home with a machete or 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.960 taking a knife at another person on the street, there's 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.760 got to be consequences and that's not happening. The government 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.280 produced a whole lot of bail laws, but they are 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.800 exclusions with young offenders. It's the young offenders that are 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.560 actually committing these crimes. Now. I don't care whether you're 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.640 fourteen forty. If you're taking a knife to a person 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.760 and threatening their life, then you should not be allowed 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.199 back on the street to recommit those offenses. There's got 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.240 to be consequences and we need to ensure that victims 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:16.239 are put first and community certainly can go about their 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.879 lives not having to look over their shoulders. That again 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.280 is not happening and we've got to change it up. 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.080 And as I say, young people using social media, they're 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.480 talking about how to get off. They're actually using AI 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.560 to be able to suggest what they might say in 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.720 a court so they can get off and get back 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.120 on the streets. Simply, that's not good enough, and we've 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.520 got to lock up violent offenders, no matter what the age. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.840 No, I agree, you know, it does not matter what 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.359 age they are. Teach these kids a lesson before we 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.639 let you go. It's not just your federal counterparts that 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.359 are fighting it out over net zero, but you're also 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.880 in a bit of a bind. Victoria's opposition leader Brad 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.639 Batton is coy about committing to net zero by twenty 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.919 forty five with a policy announcement before next year's election. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.320 Surely net zero by twenty forty five is feasible, and 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.080 what's more, you need to be calling out the twenty 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.919 thirty five target this is of seventy five to eighty percent, 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.960 given that that in itself is actually unlikely to be met. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.560 Look, I mean, we'll have policy when it comes to targets. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.360 But what I will say on this, because I did 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.960 have the energy portfolio, is we've got to have supply 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:25.000 and competition, and this government back when I had that portfolio, 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.480 we said more on shore conventional gas. If the government 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.639 would have accepted what we had suggested, we would have 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.919 more supply and lower prices and not the energy crisis. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:35.000 That we're in. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:36.120 That's what we need. 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:41.160 Competition supply will bring prices down and provide certainty, and. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.040 The government needs to do that. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.000 The fact that we've got a ban on new homes 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.600 for being able to use gas, I think says it 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.119 all in Victoria. We've got to change it up and 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.679