Speaker 1: Why On Sky News Australia, This is to Nika de Giorgio.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight, Chris
Speaker 2: Bowen's secret climate files. Why won't he release details about
Speaker 2: Australia's emissions reduction targets? Victorian Premier decint To Allen leaves
Speaker 2: a door open to bail changes, but her cabinet says no,
Speaker 2: no wonder the States had a mess. Shadow Police Minister
Speaker 2: David Southwick will join me shortly, and King Charles becomes
Speaker 2: the first British monarch to pray with a pope in
Speaker 2: five hundred years.
Speaker 3: But first tonight. The Coalition has.
Speaker 2: A real chance next week to come to a position
Speaker 2: on net zero when MPs meet on Friday to discuss
Speaker 2: the policy. Now, look, I've got to say this slow
Speaker 2: and steady approach by Susan Lee and her twelvemonth review
Speaker 2: into energy is quite frankly boring and uninspiring at a
Speaker 2: time when labor is destroying our energy future.
Speaker 4: This government's energy policy is a train wreck, and every
Speaker 4: day we stand up there and we.
Speaker 3: Hold them to account.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the answers that are coming back to
Speaker 4: our surveys, we'll be telling our team, the costs are
Speaker 4: going up, that affordability is worse, and that it's getting
Speaker 4: harder and harder to pay your bills, your energy bills
Speaker 4: and balance your family budget under this government which doesn't
Speaker 4: care about productivity and doesn't care about rising prices.
Speaker 2: Well, the reality is we know this, You at home
Speaker 2: know this. The question for Susan Lee is what are
Speaker 2: you going to do about it? We desperately need an
Speaker 2: alternative government with an alternative approach, a strong opposition to
Speaker 2: hold labor to account, not one with unclear positions, disunity
Speaker 2: and a labor light approach. Now labor can and is
Speaker 2: doing whatever it wants to wreck this country, and in
Speaker 2: particular when it comes to our energy rid because it can.
Speaker 2: Our power bills are going up and up.
Speaker 3: There was a.
Speaker 2: Record heat wave across New South Wales this week. In
Speaker 2: surprise surprise, the electricity grid did not cope. Thousands of
Speaker 2: residents across the state were left without power. And we're
Speaker 2: only in October, it's not even summer yet yet. We
Speaker 2: are bending over backwards financially and environmentally to save the
Speaker 2: world from the alleged climate change armageddon.
Speaker 3: Why are we the ones.
Speaker 2: Doing the heavy lifting energy policies are sending us broke
Speaker 2: and backwards. It is time to dump net zero. Former
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Tony Abbott has called on the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: to ditch what he described as a strait jacket. Here
Speaker 2: he was speaking with my colleague Peter Kredlin.
Speaker 5: There is no climate crisis, and to the extent that
Speaker 5: climate is changing, we shouldn't assume that mankind is the
Speaker 5: main factor in it. Reducing emissions is nice to do,
Speaker 5: but the net zero straight jacket is doing all sorts
Speaker 5: of damage to our country and we've just got to
Speaker 5: get away, get away from it.
Speaker 3: And look he's not wrong. You can't be in and
Speaker 3: out on this.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the hokey pokey where you put
Speaker 2: your right arm in and you take it out again.
Speaker 2: Our energy future cannot be compromised. And the reality is
Speaker 2: the opposition took this policy of net zero twenty fifty
Speaker 2: to the last two elections and still lost.
Speaker 3: So have some courage to make a position now.
Speaker 2: This week Chris Bowen addressed the Financial Reviews Energy and
Speaker 2: Climate Summit, and here is how the paper summed up
Speaker 2: the event. It says Chris Bowen tells us the economics
Speaker 2: for investing in renewables remain utterly convincing, but new wind
Speaker 2: and solar farms have stalled, and we've heard about little
Speaker 2: other than the challengers for the past two days. Another
Speaker 2: analysis went on to say that speaker after speaker try
Speaker 2: to be positive, but the replacement of an aging fleet
Speaker 2: of coal fired power plants with a combination of large
Speaker 2: scale renewable energy firmed by gas and batteries isn't happening
Speaker 2: fast enough. The rollout of transmission infrastructure isn't where it
Speaker 2: needs to be.
Speaker 3: New supply isn't.
Speaker 2: Coming into the market nearly quick enough to meet rising demand.
Speaker 2: How much more evidence does the opposition need to get
Speaker 2: us off this renewables only magic carpet right? Meanwhile, the
Speaker 2: minister in charge of this mess is up to his
Speaker 2: tricky tricks again. Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: and his bureaucrats are refusing to release critical advice around
Speaker 2: the challenges and potential pitfalls of Labour's net zero plans.
Speaker 2: Now the Minister and his department have repeatedly resisted Senate
Speaker 2: attempts to compel them to release a government brief prepared
Speaker 2: for mister Bowen in the wake of the May election.
Speaker 2: This brief has been the subject of a freedom of
Speaker 2: information request and multiple Senate orders to produce the documents.
Speaker 2: According to The Australian, the advice would likely have canvassed
Speaker 2: issues around Australia's current and future emissions reduction targets, advice
Speaker 2: to government on nuclear energy, as well as a challenger's
Speaker 2: facing Labour's push to secure next year's COP thirty one conference.
Speaker 3: But to no avail.
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is keeping his secret files secret. Clerk of
Speaker 2: the Senate Richard Pye, has declared Labour has no grounds
Speaker 2: to withhold.
Speaker 3: This brief, So why the secrecy? I mean, if.
Speaker 2: Bowen has nothing to hide about our energy transition, why
Speaker 2: is he hiding this? And all it can be put
Speaker 2: down to is that the evidence is stacking up against him.
Speaker 2: We were told our power bills would go down under renewables.
Speaker 6: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 7: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 8: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 8: a year one.
Speaker 6: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
Speaker 3: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 7: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
Speaker 7: average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead they've gone up by one thousand dollars. Labor
Speaker 2: also told us about how confident they are that we
Speaker 2: will reach our emissions reduction targets.
Speaker 7: Net zero by twenty fifty is not enough, but it's
Speaker 7: the beaar entry point to a conversation.
Speaker 6: We have legislated net zero by twenty fifty. We have
Speaker 6: one energy policy and we are delivering it.
Speaker 8: The world is changing and the speed of that change
Speaker 8: is accelerating as we move towards net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 7: Net zero by twenty fifty is the absolute bare minimum
Speaker 7: required to avoid one point five degrees of warming. Hence
Speaker 7: the government and the country remain committed to it.
Speaker 8: We've got our own ambitious set of commitments to get
Speaker 8: to net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 6: A plan that we have legislided, a plan we took
Speaker 6: to an election of net zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 7: Of course, net zero by twenty fifty is the end goal,
Speaker 7: but you've got to have important targets in the meantime, Yet.
Speaker 2: We've been worn time and time again by experts that
Speaker 2: we will not reach our emissions reduction targets as they
Speaker 2: are via an experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines,
Speaker 2: green hydrogen, solar farms and batteries.
Speaker 3: The situation is so bad.
Speaker 2: Ross Gano, a longtime advisor to the Labor government and
Speaker 2: a backer of renewable energy, said Australia is currently on
Speaker 2: a trajectory to miss its renewable targets because of low
Speaker 2: investment and output in grid scale solar and wind.
Speaker 3: Not by a little but by a big margin.
Speaker 2: Yet, as we know, Labour has now drummed up a
Speaker 2: sixty two to seventy percent by twenty thirty five target
Speaker 2: with absolutely no clue what it means for your power
Speaker 2: bills and how much it will cost you.
Speaker 9: What will the total cost of net zero be by
Speaker 9: twenty fifty Prime Mini.
Speaker 6: At third, Well, it depends what figures you look for
Speaker 6: if you look for investment for twenty thirty five, The
Speaker 6: Business Council of Australia saying that the cost will be
Speaker 6: around about four hundred to five hundred billion dollars if
Speaker 6: you ask for what our policy is yesday we announced
Speaker 6: it an additional eight point three billion dollars of investment,
Speaker 6: meaning our total investment is seventy five billion dollars.
Speaker 10: Can you name figure? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Six hundred billion was the cost of Peter Dutton's plan.
Speaker 7: Yesterday we announced an eight point five billion dollar investment
Speaker 7: that takes total government expenditure to around seventy five billion.
Speaker 11: What will be the total cost of net zero by
Speaker 11: twenty fifty.
Speaker 7: In terms of the budget. That's seventy more than seventy
Speaker 7: five billion dollars that we've outlined. The total cost of
Speaker 7: not achieving net zero, as is outline in the National
Speaker 7: Risk Assessment, is many times more than that.
Speaker 9: We've got a bit annoyse coming in.
Speaker 7: I think that's a good rap. Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, while your bills continue to go up and
Speaker 2: up under the net zero fantasy, Chris Bowen's game of
Speaker 2: heide and seek of briefing documents does not cut it.
Speaker 2: What is in your secret climate file?
Speaker 3: Chris?
Speaker 2: Australians want and deserve to know, Joddy. Now for more
Speaker 2: on this is Shadow Attorney General Andrew Wallace. Andrew, good
Speaker 2: to see he as always, thanks for joining me. Look first,
Speaker 2: he has his own set of facts. Now Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: and his bureaucrats are simply refusing to release information that
Speaker 2: we're told underpins their whole net zero agenda. I mean,
Speaker 2: even the Clerk of the Senate, this is the top
Speaker 2: level parliamentary officer, has said Labour's got no ground to
Speaker 2: withhold this brief, and yet Andrew somehow it's still locked away.
Speaker 12: Well, Denika, this is an incoming government brief. So this
Speaker 12: is a brief that would be provided to the government
Speaker 12: after the last election, which would set out the challenges
Speaker 12: that lay ahead.
Speaker 10: For the government.
Speaker 12: There would be all sorts of nuggets in there about
Speaker 12: the costs of the government's net zero plans, and jeezn't
Speaker 12: it it's pretty strange that the government would want to
Speaker 12: try and keep that from the Parliament, even more.
Speaker 10: So from the Australian people.
Speaker 12: I smell arout here, Daneika, and we've got the master
Speaker 12: of missing disinformation himself, Chris Bowen. This is a government
Speaker 12: who have consistently promised transparency, accountability, and now they won't
Speaker 12: be upfront with the Australian people about how much their energy.
Speaker 10: Policy is going to cost the Australian public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only how much is going to cost the
Speaker 2: Australian public, but how much energy bills are actually going
Speaker 2: to come down by that? Everything has been kept very
Speaker 2: secret right now, which is highly suspicious. Now, Andrew, the
Speaker 2: rubber is really going to hit the road for your
Speaker 2: party next Friday with a party room meeting to thrash
Speaker 2: out the division on net zero. Now, obviously you know
Speaker 2: we're probably not likely to get a policy position next week,
Speaker 2: but surely it is time that the Coalition settles this
Speaker 2: matter because every day it's causing more and more division.
Speaker 12: Well, Deniko, I just want to pick you up on
Speaker 12: something there, and that is we don't have a party room.
Speaker 10: Meeting next Friday.
Speaker 12: It's just it's a policy committee meeting for those people
Speaker 12: that are interested in this very very important policy area.
Speaker 12: It's not a whole of the joint party room. It's
Speaker 12: in fact one of the many policy committee meetings that
Speaker 12: are going on across all of the portfolios that Susan
Speaker 12: has set up that we are working hard across all
Speaker 12: these portfolios to build policies to take to the next selection. Now,
Speaker 12: as far as your concerns, we've spoken about this quite
Speaker 12: a lot, and I understand your concerns.
Speaker 10: I understand that Australians.
Speaker 12: Want to know what our policy is on net zero,
Speaker 12: but we're going through a very very detailed process that's been.
Speaker 10: Led by Dan Tien. We can't rush this.
Speaker 12: We've got to get it right and so don't expect
Speaker 12: an outcome next Friday. It's going to take time. We're
Speaker 12: only less than six months since the last election. There's
Speaker 12: a lot of groundwork we need to do. There's a
Speaker 12: lot of consultation we need to do. We need to
Speaker 12: make sure of all policies that we land this one right.
Speaker 10: So we don't want to rush it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, Susan Lee's standing out there
Speaker 2: even today saying, okay, you know Lab's wrecking our energy grid.
Speaker 3: The reality is is we know that we know Labor.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no clue how to keep the lights
Speaker 2: on in this country.
Speaker 3: But what we want to know is what is the.
Speaker 2: Coalition going to do about it? And that I think
Speaker 2: is the key issue here.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, we are absolutely driven and committed to ensuring that
Speaker 12: our energy grid, our national energy grid, is a ford
Speaker 12: and that it provides dispatchable base load power.
Speaker 10: We don't want to see.
Speaker 12: Businesses, large scale businesses closing down.
Speaker 10: As we are starting to see.
Speaker 12: We don't want to see them becoming totally reliant on
Speaker 12: government subsidies as we're seeing under this government. Australians deserve
Speaker 12: this is twenty twenty five, for God's sake, Danika. When
Speaker 12: people turn on their air conditioner or their heater, they
Speaker 12: expect to be.
Speaker 10: Able to use them. We don't expect the power to
Speaker 10: go out. But that's exactly where we're heading under Chris Bowen.
Speaker 12: We need to ensure that we have a reliable grid
Speaker 12: that provides dispatchable power, but importantly that it provides affordable
Speaker 12: energy to Australians.
Speaker 10: So there's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 12: It's not something you can just click your fingers on
Speaker 12: and produce a policy.
Speaker 10: But bear with us, we're working hard on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I understand that everyone's saying everyone, all liberal MPs
Speaker 2: are saying, bear with us, with us.
Speaker 3: I just wonder though, for how long for Andrew?
Speaker 2: You know, But look, as I said, I don't even
Speaker 2: if it was just a policy position, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone's saying come out with a huge, you know,
Speaker 2: a big policy now, but just having a position at
Speaker 2: the very least.
Speaker 12: Well, Danika, our policy position is this, we need to
Speaker 12: provide an energy grid, an energy system in this country
Speaker 12: that provides dispatchable base load power that's affordable for Australians
Speaker 12: and Australian businesses. That's what we're working on. The detail
Speaker 12: will follow, all right.
Speaker 3: Before we let you go, I want to ask you
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: In new report for the US Studies Center finding that
Speaker 2: our missile defense systems are quite inadequate to protect us
Speaker 2: against Chinese missiles.
Speaker 3: And if that's not concerning enough, we learned that.
Speaker 2: The ADF has embarked on an austerity drive, delaying projects
Speaker 2: and slashing costs.
Speaker 3: Andrew, okay, fine.
Speaker 2: I will say that the Prime ministers had to win
Speaker 2: this week in Washington in Orcust, but that's years off.
Speaker 3: Right now, this sounds like we are very exposed.
Speaker 12: Well, Danika, we absolutely are utterly exposed.
Speaker 10: There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 12: I've been on the Defense Committee now for probably five
Speaker 12: or six years. Our ground based air defense systems a
Speaker 12: laughing stock. Our northern bases, our bases that provide intelligence
Speaker 12: services and communications equipment, their ability to be able to
Speaker 12: project air power from our northern bases, all of these
Speaker 12: places are at risk. Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Now, this is
Speaker 12: not some sort of dream time. We're seeing these attacks
Speaker 12: take place in other parts around the world, like in Ukraine.
Speaker 12: We live in the most dangerous geostrategic time since nineteen
Speaker 12: forty five, and we have critical, critically important assets in
Speaker 12: the north of Australia and they are absolutely exposed. They
Speaker 12: are literally undefended at the moment, and that is criminal.
Speaker 10: This government needs to act.
Speaker 12: It's putting all of its money into Orcus and it's
Speaker 12: ripping the guts out of defense. The author of the
Speaker 12: one of the authors of the Defense Strategic Review, Peter Dean,
Speaker 12: has identified this very issue himself that we are utterly
Speaker 12: exposed with our lack of ground air defense systems. And
Speaker 12: you know, you're absolutely right what you said before, Deneka,
Speaker 12: and that is this absolute cannibalism that is going on
Speaker 12: in defense where we see reserve hours being cut from
Speaker 12: two hundred hours a month under one hundred and fifty hours.
Speaker 10: We're seeing pilots being effectively.
Speaker 12: Grounded and not being able to get air time to
Speaker 12: be able to train because we can't afford to.
Speaker 10: Put them in the air. This is madness.
Speaker 2: It is it's a huge, huge worry and leaves us
Speaker 2: even more exposed at a time where you know we
Speaker 2: are wide open. Andrew Wallace, We've got to leave it there.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you as always. Thanks very much for
Speaker 2: joining me on the show this evening. Well remember last
Speaker 2: week when Victorian Premier just sent to Alan told us this.
Speaker 12: The CBD of Melbourne is safe, and I wish to
Speaker 12: reiterate that the Melbourne CBD is safe.
Speaker 2: Well it was a joke then and an even bigger
Speaker 2: joke now. Labour seems to have lost control of crime
Speaker 2: and serious questions are being asked about the leniency of
Speaker 2: bail applications after three teenagers accused of a machete attack
Speaker 2: at Luna Park this month were set free on bail,
Speaker 2: despite the magistrate acknowledging the allegations were extremely serious. Joining
Speaker 2: me now is Victoria's shadow Police Minister, David Southwick.
Speaker 3: David, thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Look, the Premier is leaving the door open to further
Speaker 2: bail changes, we're told, but that in spite of all
Speaker 2: we've seen, some of her cabinets still don't want to
Speaker 2: see the laws tightened. Surely this is completely at odds
Speaker 2: with community expectations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gratefully with you, Denika you're absolutely right. So the
Speaker 1: government's very much divided on toughening out bay laws.
Speaker 10: And don't forget.
Speaker 1: We had the Premius say we've got the toughest bail
Speaker 1: laws in the nation. Yet we're seeing, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: an offender that had allegedly two other machete attacks being
Speaker 1: bailed again. I was at Luna Park yesterday actually where
Speaker 1: the attack took place. That's a family friendly area, that's
Speaker 1: somewhere that people take their kids and enjoy. I was
Speaker 1: outside the big mouth of Luna Park, which some would
Speaker 1: say that he's smiling. I would say very much that
Speaker 1: young offenders are smiling and laughing at this government because
Speaker 1: they have weak laws and if you break the law
Speaker 1: in Victoria, you're out and about, certainly before police even
Speaker 1: finish their shit. Police are exhausted, they're frustrated. Victorians have
Speaker 1: had enough, they've had a gut full. It's a law
Speaker 1: of state. And you mentioned as well, you know the
Speaker 1: rocks being pelted at police. It's all happening in Victoria.
Speaker 1: It's hopeless. It gives no confidence for anyone wanting to
Speaker 1: restart Victoria. And we've got to ensure that the state's
Speaker 1: safe and it absolutely is not.
Speaker 3: Well, you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is exactly what Victoria's you know, toughest
Speaker 2: bail laws.
Speaker 3: In the country looks like.
Speaker 2: And it's been an absolute disaster from day one.
Speaker 3: What does the opposition want to see.
Speaker 2: Done right now to crack down on really what feels
Speaker 2: like daily stories of serious knife crime.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're committing a serious crime, and particularly when
Speaker 1: somebody is going into your home with a machete or
Speaker 1: taking a knife at another person on the street, there's
Speaker 1: got to be consequences and that's not happening. The government
Speaker 1: produced a whole lot of bail laws, but they are
Speaker 1: exclusions with young offenders. It's the young offenders that are
Speaker 1: actually committing these crimes. Now. I don't care whether you're
Speaker 1: fourteen forty. If you're taking a knife to a person
Speaker 1: and threatening their life, then you should not be allowed
Speaker 1: back on the street to recommit those offenses. There's got
Speaker 1: to be consequences and we need to ensure that victims
Speaker 1: are put first and community certainly can go about their
Speaker 1: lives not having to look over their shoulders. That again
Speaker 1: is not happening and we've got to change it up.
Speaker 1: And as I say, young people using social media, they're
Speaker 1: talking about how to get off. They're actually using AI
Speaker 1: to be able to suggest what they might say in
Speaker 1: a court so they can get off and get back
Speaker 1: on the streets. Simply, that's not good enough, and we've
Speaker 1: got to lock up violent offenders, no matter what the age.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, you know, it does not matter what
Speaker 2: age they are. Teach these kids a lesson before we
Speaker 2: let you go. It's not just your federal counterparts that
Speaker 2: are fighting it out over net zero, but you're also
Speaker 2: in a bit of a bind. Victoria's opposition leader Brad
Speaker 2: Batton is coy about committing to net zero by twenty
Speaker 2: forty five with a policy announcement before next year's election.
Speaker 2: Surely net zero by twenty forty five is feasible, and
Speaker 2: what's more, you need to be calling out the twenty
Speaker 2: thirty five target this is of seventy five to eighty percent,
Speaker 2: given that that in itself is actually unlikely to be met.
Speaker 1: Look, I mean, we'll have policy when it comes to targets.
Speaker 1: But what I will say on this, because I did
Speaker 1: have the energy portfolio, is we've got to have supply
Speaker 1: and competition, and this government back when I had that portfolio,
Speaker 1: we said more on shore conventional gas. If the government
Speaker 1: would have accepted what we had suggested, we would have
Speaker 1: more supply and lower prices and not the energy crisis.
Speaker 10: That we're in.
Speaker 3: That's what we need.
Speaker 1: Competition supply will bring prices down and provide certainty, and.
Speaker 10: The government needs to do that.
Speaker 1: The fact that we've got a ban on new homes
Speaker 1: for being able to use gas, I think says it
Speaker 1: all in Victoria. We've got to change it up and
Speaker 1: I'm big on ensuring that there is the right types
Speaker 1: of energy mix and we transition to clean energy. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, all going through the roof, like Daron,
Speaker 1: Victoria is not the answer. Competition is, Supply is, and
Speaker 1: let's get the market in to do the job, not
Speaker 1: the government, which we know everything the government touches falls
Speaker 1: to a miss and that's not the way to run
Speaker 1: our energy system.
Speaker 2: No, it's happening across the country as well. David Southwick,
Speaker 2: appreciate your time, Thanks very much for joining me for
Speaker 2: coming up after the break. Hubris has set in for
Speaker 2: the PM as he returns to Australia from his US trip,
Speaker 2: dotting a Rock and Roll T shirt.
Speaker 3: Would you believe I'll discuss this and more with my
Speaker 3: panel next Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, I came across this research being described as groundbreaking
Speaker 2: by left wing think tank the Australia Institute Today, and
Speaker 2: I wonder if it got its talking points straight from
Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party. The report claims to reveal how
Speaker 2: tensions in the South China see a quote misunderstood and
Speaker 2: misrepresented in Australia. The paper is written in Mandarin and
Speaker 2: translated into English by Frank One, a postdoctoral fellow at
Speaker 2: the Institute. He says that the often repeated claim that
Speaker 2: China is aggressively expanding into the territory of neighboring countries
Speaker 2: is an oversimplification. China's territorial and maritime claims in the
Speaker 2: South China Sea have remained largely consistent since nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 2: While China has become more assertive in exercising those claims
Speaker 2: in recent years, its actions have not been solely responsible
Speaker 2: for tensions in the region, he says, assertive or more
Speaker 2: like aggressive, whether it be Chinese Coast Guard ships using
Speaker 2: water cannons on other countries vessels to performing reckless maneuvers
Speaker 2: and repeated attempts to ram other vessels like those from
Speaker 2: the Philippines.
Speaker 3: In fact, reports of.
Speaker 2: Aggressive and dangerous conduct by Chinese vessels in the South
Speaker 2: China Sea have surged over the past few years. In August,
Speaker 2: a China Coastguard vessel collided with a Chinese Navy ship
Speaker 2: while pursuing a Philippine Coastguard vessel. This illegal behavior has
Speaker 2: been going on for the better part of a decade,
Speaker 2: not to mention its ongoing threat of war with Taiwan,
Speaker 2: prompting US Secretary of warpete Hegseth to warn that an
Speaker 2: invasion could be imminent. And you know, just this week,
Speaker 2: a Chinese fighter aircraft released flares close to an r
Speaker 2: double AF aircraft that had been patrolling in the South
Speaker 2: China Sea. On this the paper claims this marked the
Speaker 2: second time when China publicly accused Australian military aircraft of intruding.
Speaker 3: In its airspace.
Speaker 2: These developments would have confirmed the suspicion expressed by a
Speaker 2: senior academic in the National Institute of South China.
Speaker 3: Sea Studies that Australia's.
Speaker 2: Involvement and that of Japan would cause additional complications for China.
Speaker 3: What if one of the flares had blown up our aircraft.
Speaker 2: I mean someone could have died thanks to China's reckless
Speaker 2: and aggressive actions.
Speaker 3: And that our double af aircraft was.
Speaker 2: Not even flying in Chinese airspace. So this was by
Speaker 2: no means just an intrusion. But Frank says Australia sales
Speaker 2: its warships into the South China Sea to challenge China's
Speaker 2: maritime claims Now, I'd argue, if China has recently exercised
Speaker 2: its right in international waters adjacent to Australia, why can't
Speaker 2: we exercise similar rights in Southeast Asia? Because China's continued
Speaker 2: aggression and illegal activities in the South China Sea are
Speaker 2: a threat to freedom and to democracy worldwide and obviously
Speaker 2: to us here, and perhaps left wing think tanks should
Speaker 2: wake up to it. Johny now is New South Wales
Speaker 2: Independent MP Taniam Halek and former New South Wales Police
Speaker 2: Minister David Elliott.
Speaker 3: Hart of both of you.
Speaker 2: Happy Friday, as always, thanks for joining me. I want
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on this, David, as a former
Speaker 2: defense personnel yourself, what's your reaction to this piece by
Speaker 2: this left wing think tank?
Speaker 8: Well, their apologists and that happens with the left wing media,
Speaker 8: is that they will always want to challenge what the
Speaker 8: West is doing because it suits their narrative. But they're
Speaker 8: completely off campus because, as you said, China cannot come
Speaker 8: towards adjacent to Australia's sovereign borders and have maneuvers and
Speaker 8: then complain about the rest of the world doing it
Speaker 8: in South China Sea legally doing it in the South
Speaker 8: China Sea. So, I mean, we don't know why Australian
Speaker 8: defense assets are up there. I'm actually quite impressed that
Speaker 8: they are up there. It shows that the Commonwalth government
Speaker 8: is being assertive. We obviously have to be very very careful,
Speaker 8: but we've also got commitments through a number of treaties
Speaker 8: that we support our allies up there, including Japan and
Speaker 8: South Korea and indeed Taiwan. So we've got to make
Speaker 8: sure that people know that, you know, we're not rolling
Speaker 8: over and allowing them to attend our international waters, international
Speaker 8: wars adjacent to our sovereign borders, and we're not prepared
Speaker 8: to do the same exactly.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a very bizarre article. The
Speaker 2: think take Now, look, let's move on. It's been a
Speaker 2: big week for elbow over in the US hasn't it.
Speaker 2: He's given himself a pat on the back. It's like
Speaker 2: a victory lap. Touching down in Sydney yesterday with his
Speaker 2: Joy Division Rock and Roll T shirt on. Look, Tanya
Speaker 2: humorous as has well and truly set in. How would
Speaker 2: you rate his meeting with Donald Trump this week?
Speaker 11: Look, I think Alberanizi is probably right to have a
Speaker 11: bit of a spring in his step.
Speaker 3: It's got a bit fun, been a good week.
Speaker 11: I mean, this is a groundbreaking, rare earths and critical
Speaker 11: minerals deal with the US. He's also been able to
Speaker 11: cement to the Orcus, although that should never been in
Speaker 11: any doubt and it came out largely unscathed out of
Speaker 11: this meeting. I'm ensure Rad received a bit of a spray,
Speaker 11: but you know, we all had a chuckle and we
Speaker 11: will trightly enjoy them, I think in Australia. But it
Speaker 11: hasn't stopped the US and Australia from executing I think
Speaker 11: a terrific deal for Australian.
Speaker 3: So I think the joy.
Speaker 11: And that's the shirt that he's running around with at
Speaker 11: the moment, is in Alberanze. It will be short lived
Speaker 11: because the reality is for US. Unlike the US, Australia
Speaker 11: is bogged down with bureaucratic red tape and green tape,
Speaker 11: in particular in relation to the net zero targets. That's
Speaker 11: not bogging down the US, and the US will want
Speaker 11: rapid development of this deal in Australia. You've already had
Speaker 11: the Greens issue a statement the other day Shoebridge and
Speaker 11: a Shoebridge issue a statement concern that any of the
Speaker 11: their requirements changed for this deal. But what we don't
Speaker 11: want is any of this green tape to be a
Speaker 11: statuary handbrake on what is a large resource and energy
Speaker 11: intensive projects. That's what these are, and we want the
Speaker 11: wind for for Australia. So I think the big thing
Speaker 11: for ALBERNIZI will be nowt to make sure that green
Speaker 11: tape that is strangling Australia often in our minerals and
Speaker 11: mining divisions, doesn't impede or be a barrier for this
Speaker 11: terrific deal for US.
Speaker 2: That is a fair point. Look, and it has been
Speaker 2: a funny week. It was a funny meeting. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about Kevin Rudd. You've got Susan Lee this week saying
Speaker 2: Rud's got to go now.
Speaker 3: But if you've got.
Speaker 2: One backbencher after another, David saying no, no, no, that
Speaker 2: was the wrong call.
Speaker 3: It's getting a bit aw well.
Speaker 8: It reminded me when I was a child, and you know,
Speaker 8: when you got in trouble, mums would say, you know,
Speaker 8: you've suffered enough because you've been embarrassed by it all.
Speaker 8: And I do think that Kevin Rudd has suffered enough.
Speaker 8: He looked very sheepish, but he brought it all on himself.
Speaker 8: And it's a message for people going into politics. Be
Speaker 8: careful about the butcher kick on the way up, because
Speaker 8: the ones you're kissing on the way down. And it
Speaker 8: seemed that Trump was not going to be for turning.
Speaker 8: But I think, I mean, I'm prepared to give the
Speaker 8: Prime Minister the credit for the meeting. Of course they're
Speaker 8: all saying Kevin did all this work. Well, that's what
Speaker 8: he's paid to do. And the Prime Minister is the
Speaker 8: one who's carrying the political risk in all of this
Speaker 8: and he did it. But that T shirt he mustn't
Speaker 8: have got the me mate, because I'm told by Labor
Speaker 8: that suss Street is paranoid about Hubris and they, particularly
Speaker 8: after the federal election in the New South Wales by
Speaker 8: election win earlier in the year. Sussex Street has told
Speaker 8: the Parliamentary Labor Party be careful of hubris that will
Speaker 8: bring us down. And coming off the VIP plane wearing
Speaker 8: a T shirt was not something you would expect from
Speaker 8: a world leader.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not joy division as well, he's loving himself
Speaker 2: and that's that's the problem right now.
Speaker 11: And he had got his peak this week.
Speaker 3: In case that's Dan Hill.
Speaker 2: Well, Parliament returns next week, so let's see how it
Speaker 2: goes now. Look, Australia's Border Force has sees more than
Speaker 2: half a billion cigarettes and millions of vapes in just
Speaker 2: three months.
Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest hauls on record.
Speaker 2: Between July and September this year, officers intercepted five hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty six million cigarettes and more than three million vapes. Tanya,
Speaker 2: what does this say about criminal networks in this country?
Speaker 11: Well, they're well and truly entrenched in Australia, aren't they.
Speaker 11: I mean five hundred and eighty six million cigarettes, three
Speaker 11: million vapes? Just what a three month period.
Speaker 3: Shocking.
Speaker 11: This is on the back of what's something like one
Speaker 11: hundred and one hundred and five five bombings of tobacconists
Speaker 11: in Victoria.
Speaker 3: We might remember that.
Speaker 11: Was usually long ago, that was about a year ago,
Speaker 11: and that was also organized crime that was involved in that,
Speaker 11: and turf over who owns what amongst the criminals and
Speaker 11: look they're still in control. I think they've just it's
Speaker 11: extraordinary how much the criminal syndicates are running.
Speaker 10: This trade in Australia.
Speaker 11: Obviously there's a demand. I think there needs to be
Speaker 11: a reset and a relook at how much we can
Speaker 11: keep going with the excise to do that, we do
Speaker 11: put on tobacco and we don't manufactural grow any tobacco
Speaker 11: anymore in Australian We certainly don't make vapes. But this
Speaker 11: is something that needs to be I think considered again
Speaker 11: by the Australian government. Need to re look at this
Speaker 11: because there is a demand for the product, otherwise they
Speaker 11: wouldn't be involved in it.
Speaker 3: And think that's a fair point cost managing this.
Speaker 11: I can only imagine what Warder Control has to spend
Speaker 11: just to be able to find what they do find,
Speaker 11: let alone what they don't find.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, Well what do you put this
Speaker 3: down to day?
Speaker 8: This is prohibitional over again, I mean, we just haven't
Speaker 8: learned from history. This is I mean, I'm not a smoker,
Speaker 8: but I'd be horrified if we had prohibition. I think
Speaker 8: that the government really needs to work out where the
Speaker 8: sweet spot is with taxation. And yes, we need to
Speaker 8: do things that would discourage people from smoking, like we
Speaker 8: need to do anything that is causing us harm. But
Speaker 8: I think the government is allowed these by overtaxing this product,
Speaker 8: the government has allowed the criminal element to take control
Speaker 8: of this money laundering.
Speaker 2: I completely I agree with you. It is a big problem,
Speaker 2: a huge problem. Let's end on a bit of fun.
Speaker 2: In your column in the Daily Telegraph this week, David,
Speaker 2: you wrote about what constitutes a good leader in Australia. Jah,
Speaker 2: I wish we had a good leader right now. You've
Speaker 2: given us a list. Go on, who's your best?
Speaker 3: Pick? Here your top go on.
Speaker 10: I mean I liked all of them.
Speaker 8: I think I think the intellect of John Howard and
Speaker 8: Peter Cosgrove was superior. Gladys obviously had a lot of charm,
Speaker 8: Bronwin has was you know, certainly let everybody know where
Speaker 8: she stood. My favorite one of I don't have favorites
Speaker 8: of exposes, but I did sure.
Speaker 3: The team.
Speaker 8: I did love working for Mike bed he had magic. Mike,
Speaker 8: I like I had magic, and he had a lot
Speaker 8: of charm and was a good one and he was yeah,
Speaker 8: and he could be won everybody over.
Speaker 3: And you're almost out of time, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: I've got a chair. Good leaders. I work for Anne,
Speaker 3: good leaders.
Speaker 11: Okay, I worked for the Labor Pasa seven years.
Speaker 3: I've got no good stories at all. I haven't got
Speaker 3: what constitutes a good leader.
Speaker 11: What do you recond Look, I think being patient, resilient,
Speaker 11: being measured might be definitely a good example a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, the glory, Gloria, the glories.
Speaker 3: Of your South lives.
Speaker 2: There you go, Tanya Mahal of David Elliott. Thanks as always,
Speaker 2: We'll see you again next week. Have a nice weekend
Speaker 2: coming up. After the break, King Charles becomes the first
Speaker 2: British monarch to pray with the pope in five hundred years.
Speaker 2: Plus the winners and losers of the week, including the
Speaker 2: reader is Raeli hostage to proposed.
Speaker 3: To his girlfriends. That's next. I'm back.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my next guest, LLENP and P. Garth Hamilton, Hi, Garth,
Speaker 2: thank you for joining me. You've written an opinion article
Speaker 2: in The Australian Today calling for those on the center
Speaker 2: right of politics to reach out to actually work with
Speaker 2: the union movement, which, as we all know, is very
Speaker 2: much in bed with labor. And now you point out
Speaker 2: the two issues of net zero and mass migration, which
Speaker 2: are largely at the detriment of blue collar workers, and
Speaker 2: I've got to say, Garth, look, I agree with you
Speaker 2: that there's certainly ground you could take from labor on
Speaker 2: these two fronts.
Speaker 3: But we've all seen.
Speaker 2: Labor all too willing to concede everything to the unions
Speaker 2: on ir which I can't see the Coalition doing, nor
Speaker 2: it should.
Speaker 9: No, when you're absolutely right, I think we should be
Speaker 9: reaching out to union members and making that differentiation.
Speaker 10: Very clearly.
Speaker 9: Union members are just Australians with jobs, and right now
Speaker 9: those jobs are under threat from policies like net zero.
Speaker 9: We've seen that play out across the nation. It's really
Speaker 9: important that we do differentiate ourselves and ek we've got
Speaker 9: an opportunity in the Liberal Party to walk away completely
Speaker 9: from net zero so that we can look those workers
Speaker 9: in the eye and say we have a different proposition
Speaker 9: to you from labor. We will always put good jobs
Speaker 9: and good pay above the ideology of climate change and
Speaker 9: that zero. We will put you first. And that's something
Speaker 9: that labour can't say right now. And we know within
Speaker 9: those labor movements, within those union movements, they're having those conversations,
Speaker 9: they're having those problems. We've seen this play out for
Speaker 9: a long time now, and I think it's the opportunity
Speaker 9: for Liberal pay to stand up and say who we
Speaker 9: are and create a vision for ourselves as a party
Speaker 9: that supports workers.
Speaker 10: Oh.
Speaker 2: I think you make an absolutely fair point, and I
Speaker 2: want to stick on net zero because the cost is
Speaker 2: getting out of hand. You've been pushing new data based
Speaker 2: on Princeton University research that shows the capital costs of
Speaker 2: hitting climate targets is between seventeen and twenty two billion
Speaker 2: dollars a month, which is extraordinary and in practical terms,
Speaker 2: that's eight hospitals or four hundred new aged care homes.
Speaker 3: Look garth.
Speaker 2: Too often this debate is framed in abstract terms.
Speaker 3: Why are more people not framing it in very practical ways.
Speaker 9: Like this, Well, this is exactly what I want to
Speaker 9: do and take the net zero conversation out of the bush.
Speaker 9: And that's have done a very good job of talking
Speaker 9: about what net zero does to farming communities. I want
Speaker 9: to bring the conversation into the city and talk about
Speaker 9: the impact on infrastructure, the loss costs that we have
Speaker 9: by paying these exorbitant costs. This report was done by
Speaker 9: Princeton University, University of Melbourne and the University of Queensland,
Speaker 9: three very reputable universities. Chris Bowen tries to tell everyone
Speaker 9: that's misinformation. I know who I'd rather trust. It's not
Speaker 9: Chris Bowen. That figure of twenty billion dollars a month
Speaker 9: is incredible and when you break it down into basic
Speaker 9: infrastructure things that we need around the country right now,
Speaker 9: it's startling. We've just built into Woomba, or we're building
Speaker 9: a new hospital, it's going to be about two billion dollars,
Speaker 9: just a little bit over. So for that figure of
Speaker 9: twenty billion a month, we could be building a new
Speaker 9: hospitals a month around Australia and goodness meet with the
Speaker 9: ambulance ramping, with the overcreating, with the worn out facilities
Speaker 9: that we see in hospitals all around Australia. These things
Speaker 9: are needed, but it could be other things. It could
Speaker 9: be high schools, age care facilities, roads that have been
Speaker 9: worn down. There's so many things in our community where
Speaker 9: we look around and we think Australia is falling behind.
Speaker 9: We're going backwards. Our standard of living isn't what it was.
Speaker 9: This is why the money is going to net zero.
Speaker 9: It's going overseas, it's taking jobs with it overseas. I
Speaker 9: think we really need to understand this isn't a freebeat.
Speaker 9: Net zero doesn't come for free. It comes at a
Speaker 9: huge cost to this country and that's why I'm so
Speaker 9: opposed to it.
Speaker 2: Look, I think you're absolutely spot on it. It's good
Speaker 2: to see it laid out in practical terms. Eight hospitals
Speaker 2: or four hundred new aged care homes. I think that's
Speaker 2: a really good selling point because this scheme is sending
Speaker 2: us broken backwards every day. Garth Hamilton, we have to
Speaker 2: leave it there. Thank you for your time, as always,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Thank you well.
Speaker 2: King Charles and Pope Leo the Fourteen have taken part
Speaker 2: in a joint prayer inside the Sistine Chapel as part
Speaker 2: of the monarch's historic two day visit to Rome. The
Speaker 2: pair prayed together in a mark of strong ties between
Speaker 2: the Church of England and Catholic Church in an event
Speaker 2: that has not occurred in five hundred years.
Speaker 9: Glory with the Father and the time and expence, as.
Speaker 13: His wife said at the beginning, is now as.
Speaker 2: Russell Meyer's royal editor for The Mirror, was there and
Speaker 2: joins me, now, Russell, good to see you as always.
Speaker 2: Why was this such an important moment for the King?
Speaker 13: Well, I think when you look at King Charles's legacy,
Speaker 13: which he is undoubtedly doing, and not just because of
Speaker 13: his cancer treatment, but of course he's a man in
Speaker 13: his approaching his late seventies, he's very very in tune
Speaker 13: with what sort of legacy he will leave behind, and
Speaker 13: it's very very important for him to meet the poet
Speaker 13: he met Pope Benedictine. Then he is meeting Pope Leo
Speaker 13: as well, because he is the head of the Church
Speaker 13: of England and Pope Leo coming in as the head
Speaker 13: of the Catholic Church. You know, this ecumenical service that
Speaker 13: they had between them is really history making, and I
Speaker 13: think King Charles is looking at this hit the history
Speaker 13: of his legacy as well, and being in the Vatican,
Speaker 13: it was very very much steeped in history. That though
Speaker 13: way they were very much in tune with what the
Speaker 13: presentation of this visit to the Vatican was.
Speaker 2: And look, I've got to say, the King and Queen
Speaker 2: may be in Rome, but they just can't escape the
Speaker 2: ongoing scandal surrounding Prince Andrew, can they. You've written in
Speaker 2: the Mirror today what a stain it has been to
Speaker 2: have led up to this visit to the Holy See
Speaker 2: and an historic meeting with the Pope to face more
Speaker 2: scandal concerning his disgraced brother Prince Andrew. Do you think
Speaker 2: that this trip, while obviously very significant, has actually been
Speaker 2: overshadowed by Prince andrew ongoing indiscretions.
Speaker 13: I don't think there's anything that they can say otherwise,
Speaker 13: whether that's the Palace or in the politicians looking into it.
Speaker 13: You know, the fact that members of Parliament in London
Speaker 13: are discussing the affairs of the royal family tells you
Speaker 13: that we are living in quite bizarre times because certainly
Speaker 13: this scandal from Prince Andrew and his relationship with Jeffrey
Speaker 13: Epstein has been going on for many, many years, and
Speaker 13: I think what the Palace tried to do last week
Speaker 13: was certainly to draw a line under it. But it's
Speaker 13: done anything But what we've had is four or five
Speaker 13: days of front page headlines commentary about the finances of
Speaker 13: the Royal family. Questions over Prince Andrew's use of Royal Lodge,
Speaker 13: which is a thirty room mansion in the grounds of
Speaker 13: Windsor Great Park, and certainly how on earth he has
Speaker 13: afforded this luxury lifestyle that he's leaded and why that
Speaker 13: has sort of moved on for his associations with Glenn Maxwell,
Speaker 13: Jeffrey Epstein and so on. So very very unwelcome news
Speaker 13: for in Palis and the King, and the commentary surrounding
Speaker 13: the visit to the Vatican, which was supposed to be
Speaker 13: this huge, huge, momentous historic event was overshadowed unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned there that MPs are talking about it.
Speaker 2: I find this extraordinary because they're pushing for an inquiry
Speaker 2: into Prince Andrew's residence at Royal Lodge, where he has
Speaker 2: lived for more than twenty years without paying rent. Even
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, has indicated that he's open
Speaker 2: to MPs actually questioning Andrew in person. Russell, could we
Speaker 2: see a situation where Prince Andrew is hold in front
Speaker 2: of a committee.
Speaker 13: Well, indeed, certainly that the Public Account's Committee could bring
Speaker 13: him in. That would be very, very embarrassing, not only
Speaker 13: for Andrew. We've seen how he performs under pressure in
Speaker 13: interviews after that infamous BBC Newsnight interview, so the Royal
Speaker 13: Family will not want him anywhere near public camera. But
Speaker 13: that isn't the only problem for Prince Andrew and the
Speaker 13: rest of the family, because after relinquishing these titles, the
Speaker 13: sense of public revulsion over his not only his living arrangements,
Speaker 13: but the fact he is still essentially front and centis
Speaker 13: still popping up at events for the Royal family. But
Speaker 13: the Metropolitan Police are now looking into claims that he
Speaker 13: had used his position to smear his sex abuse acuse,
Speaker 13: a Virginia Geffrey, in conjunction with Jeffrey Epstein. So not
Speaker 13: only had he lied in the interview by saying that
Speaker 13: he cut off contact with Epstein, he was actively trying
Speaker 13: to smear her. So that is a jeue due problem
Speaker 13: for Andrew and the Royal family. Could he be involved
Speaker 13: in a police investigation. Could he be hauled into questioning
Speaker 13: by the police as well as MP's. It's certainly very
Speaker 13: interesting to see what the next developments will be.
Speaker 14: Wow.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a complete mess and just more complete
Speaker 2: and utter embarrassment for the royal family. Meanwhile, Russell, a
Speaker 2: friend of Sarah Ferguson, has revealed that she's on the
Speaker 2: cusp of a nervous breakdown as her daughters are being
Speaker 2: dragged into the scandal over her association with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: What what can you tell us?
Speaker 13: Well, of course this situation has affected Sarah Ferguson. She's
Speaker 13: been forced to relinquish her titles. I think it's quite unfortunate,
Speaker 13: you know that we have to discuss people's mental health
Speaker 13: in all of this because it will no doubt take
Speaker 13: a huge effect on the people involved and those around them.
Speaker 13: You know, they've got a family to think about. Their
Speaker 13: daughters haven't said anything, They've been rallied around the family.
Speaker 13: But what what is next for Sarah and Andrew? And
Speaker 13: we do the public want to see them disappear from
Speaker 13: a public view?
Speaker 10: Yes? I think so.
Speaker 13: I think that certainly Andrew will have to explain himself.
Speaker 13: The King has tried to move him on from raw Lodge.
Speaker 13: He understands that the damage is doing to the monarchy.
Speaker 13: And if Andrew and Sarah, who is still living together,
Speaker 13: in this great and favor mention, were to just slip
Speaker 13: off into the to the distance and not be heard
Speaker 13: from again, it's probably best for all parties.
Speaker 2: I think at this point you're absolutely right, best to
Speaker 2: just go quietly at this point, Russell Meyer is nice
Speaker 2: to see you as always, Thanks very.
Speaker 3: Much for joining me on the show.
Speaker 11: My pleasure.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that time of the week where we saw
Speaker 2: the winners from the losers. And helping me to do
Speaker 2: that is former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Holy Happy Friday.
Speaker 2: Good to see you. Thank you for joining me tonight. Now,
Speaker 2: your winner of the week is Anthony Albanezi after his
Speaker 2: successful meeting with Donald Trump.
Speaker 14: He's had quite the week.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 15: I think that meeting went as well as could possibly
Speaker 15: been quote for by him. I think the only thing
Speaker 15: he and his team may have been a little bit
Speaker 15: disappointed in was the fact that so much of the
Speaker 15: coverage was swallow up by Kevin Runn and his previous
Speaker 15: commentary around the president. But certainly I think Albin easy
Speaker 15: whether it was the August the critical Minerals deal, both
Speaker 15: of those things were really good things for him to
Speaker 15: be able to bed down. I had to say I
Speaker 15: was a bit of a cynic. I thought that this
Speaker 15: meeting may actually never happen. I think he I have
Speaker 15: been wanting to try and avoid meeting with Donald Trump
Speaker 15: in person, certainly in an event that could have been embarrassing.
Speaker 15: But look from his perspective, I think a win as
Speaker 15: well as it could have. And as Australians we should
Speaker 15: all be pleased. I'm no fan of alb and Easy,
Speaker 15: but as Australians we should all be pleased that into
Speaker 15: our relationship to the US is clearly on the very
Speaker 15: strong footing.
Speaker 3: Oh look, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think we're all maybe expecting maybe Anthony but Easy
Speaker 2: to get addressing down.
Speaker 3: But it ended up being the elephant in.
Speaker 2: The room Kevin Rudd, which I thought was quite delicious.
Speaker 2: But overall it was a very successful trip. But you
Speaker 2: know he's come back now he's got to face the
Speaker 2: music because there's a lot of issues on the home front.
Speaker 2: So let's see how this week in Parliament pans out, now, Holly,
Speaker 2: my winner this week is former Israeli hostage Elliot Cohen.
Speaker 2: He was released from Harmask captivity eight months ago and
Speaker 2: this week he proposed to his long term girlfriend, who
Speaker 2: survived the Nova Music Festival Massacre.
Speaker 3: Have a look at this Lucky Holly.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was just so nice. After everything
Speaker 2: that the pair have been through, they've found happiness and
Speaker 2: now they're going to get married.
Speaker 3: I thought it was beautiful.
Speaker 15: What do you think absolutely beautiful that your winner of
Speaker 15: the week is the winner of the week.
Speaker 14: That is just absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 15: And you know, when we were packing to start our
Speaker 15: move the other week, I found.
Speaker 14: My yellow pin that I have worn for.
Speaker 15: Many many months and years now that it was acknowledging
Speaker 15: the hostages. And it's so lovely that that Kim didn't
Speaker 15: have to come out with me and be something that
Speaker 15: I had sort of easy access to because it's so wonderful.
Speaker 15: I mean, obviously devastating those that didn't return alive, but
Speaker 15: the ones that were all alive are now returned and
Speaker 15: back with their families, and this is just absolutely beautiful and.
Speaker 14: I'm just so happy for them.
Speaker 15: And I hope that all the hostages manage to find
Speaker 15: some peace and happiness in their lives as.
Speaker 14: They move forward.
Speaker 3: I completely agree, perfect sentiment. Now you'll loser this week
Speaker 3: is the push for net zero. It's doomed.
Speaker 14: I think net.
Speaker 15: Zero well finished gone, And I mean, you know, I've
Speaker 15: been saying since Fili of Parliament beyond that, you know,
Speaker 15: I really felt net zero was a bit of a
Speaker 15: red herring in the fact that there is absolutely no
Speaker 15: achievable pathway to it in reality, and it's now a
Speaker 15: sort of a catchphrase that most people don't even really
Speaker 15: understand what it means. But I think, you know, I
Speaker 15: gave up an easy the winner of the week because
Speaker 15: part of that is the critical minerals deal. Now, the
Speaker 15: thing about critical minerals, it's all good to get the
Speaker 15: critical minerals out.
Speaker 14: It's about the refinement of them.
Speaker 15: And if we really want to be the West sufficient
Speaker 15: when it comes to critical minerals, we are going to
Speaker 15: have to put our big boy pants on and actually
Speaker 15: start to look at refining them ourselves, not sending them
Speaker 15: to China for refinement when ninety percent of refinement is occurring.
Speaker 14: And so for any of that to happen.
Speaker 15: They are going to have to get over a whole
Speaker 15: lot of their next zero aspirations because we're going to
Speaker 15: make this work.
Speaker 14: It ain't going to be under their safegallemy.
Speaker 2: No, and it's sending us broken backwards in the process.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't agree with you more absolutely. Now my
Speaker 2: loser this week is the Bureau of Meteorology. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've seen their new website update, Holly. I
Speaker 2: think it is an absolute shocker. I was confused when
Speaker 2: I went on there the other day, and it looks
Speaker 2: as though I'm not the only one. Social media has
Speaker 2: been flooded with complaints and it's cost US four million
Speaker 2: dollars to do it as well. Why wouldn't they just
Speaker 2: stick to what works, Holly. We're almost out of time.
Speaker 2: But have you seen it? What do you think of it? What?
Speaker 15: As my husband says, he wants to be someone who
Speaker 15: works at the BOMB sometimes because you can just have
Speaker 15: a guess.
Speaker 14: And there's zero consequences if you're wrong. How we know
Speaker 14: what it's going.
Speaker 15: To be in one hundred years time when we can't
Speaker 15: work at what it's going to be on Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 15: but you know the BOMB. I just prefer them to
Speaker 15: get their predictions right on what's actually going to happen,
Speaker 15: as opposed to worrying too much about their website.
Speaker 14: But again, agree, thanks dollars, yours are my money for what?
Speaker 10: For what?
Speaker 2: Exactly? More confusion? Absolutely ridiculous. Holy Hughes, have a nice weekend.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 3: That's it for me.
Speaker 2: I'll be back seven pm for Deneka and James on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Steve Price is up in a moment.
Speaker 3: Good night,