WEBVTT - The billionaire vs the silk

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Monday, May twenty seven. An embarrassing defense secret is

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<v Speaker 1>out in the open. Australia had almost no submarines available

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<v Speaker 1>to defend the country between twenty oh nine and twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>even as China was aggressively expanding its navy. That's an

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive live right now at The Australian dot com dot

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<v Speaker 1>a U. Missy mother Bromwyn Winfield was given legal advice

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<v Speaker 1>just before she disappeared in nineteen ninety three that she

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<v Speaker 1>was entitled to a significant share of assets from her

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<v Speaker 1>failed marriage. Husband John Winfield was the last person to

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<v Speaker 1>see Bromwin alive, but he says she chose to leave

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<v Speaker 1>him and be young daughters. He's never been charged and

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<v Speaker 1>denies any wrongdoing. It's all part of the gripping cold

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<v Speaker 1>case investigated in The Australian's new podcast Bronwyn, available now

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<v Speaker 1>at bronwynpodcast dot com. Compulsory national service for all eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year olds, that's the bold policy. UK Prime Minister Rishi

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<v Speaker 1>Sunac is staking his future on It's the Billionaire versus

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<v Speaker 1>the Silk. As Barrister kirs Starmer tries to bring labor back.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the next few weeks. I will fight for every vote.

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<v Speaker 2>I will earn your trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing outside ten Downing Street getting soaked in the rain,

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<v Speaker 1>stoically refusing to hold an umbrella or even wear a raincoat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the image Rishi Sunac created for voters as he

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<v Speaker 1>announced Britain is going to the polls on July fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's his bid to extend the Conservative's fourteen year rain

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<v Speaker 1>for one more term.

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<v Speaker 2>Region.

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<v Speaker 1>As Sunak drenched, a nearby loudspeaker started playing the opposition's anthem,

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<v Speaker 1>things can only get better.

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<v Speaker 2>China is looking to dominate the twenty first century by

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<v Speaker 2>stealing a lead in technology, and migration is being weaponized

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<v Speaker 2>by hostile states to threaten the integrity of our borders.

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<v Speaker 1>You might have thought sopping Sunak looked resilient or just

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a drip.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say I took the slightly more conventional

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<v Speaker 3>view that whoever and Reshisunac's communications team didn't bother to

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<v Speaker 3>look at the sky or their weather app should be sacked.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Ferguson is the Australian's National Chief of Staff. As

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<v Speaker 1>you can hear. He's also a Scotsman and he's spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lifetime immersing himself in British politics.

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<v Speaker 3>That would have worked that scene of him in the

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<v Speaker 3>rain if it had been a stronger speech, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was not a strong speech. It was pretty flat. He

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<v Speaker 3>looked like a dejected man who knew he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to lose an election in a landslade. People in his

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<v Speaker 3>cabinet had no idea he was going to call an election,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a surprise he called it, considering he's

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<v Speaker 3>about fourteen to twenty points behind in the polls.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard is a politics junkie and he likes things to

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<v Speaker 1>be done properly, so he was horrified when it emerged

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend Sunak had broken the first rule in

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<v Speaker 1>political campaigning, resting look.

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<v Speaker 3>He had taken a day off, to which the jok

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<v Speaker 3>had become well, this might be a bad day for

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<v Speaker 3>labor because Reshi Sunak has an out campaigning making mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's had a tough first week. He was photographed in

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<v Speaker 1>front of an exit sign. He visited the shipyard where

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<v Speaker 1>the Titanic was built, prompting lots of gags about sinking ships,

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<v Speaker 1>and he watched scores of his own MP's.

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<v Speaker 2>Quit tonight, one of the Prime Minister's most senior cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>ministers is calling it a day, Michael Gove, an influential.

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<v Speaker 3>Then Reshisunak came out with a blinder of a policy

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<v Speaker 3>which is compulsory Nash no service for everyone aged eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>in Britain. Basically they will get to choose between twelve

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<v Speaker 3>months in the military or their weekend doing volunteering firefighter

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<v Speaker 3>ambulance that kind of thing. So that would be the

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<v Speaker 3>first time since the early fifties that they have national service.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he needs something, so he might as well

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<v Speaker 3>try a couple hail mary's.

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<v Speaker 1>The other idea Sunac really needs to work is migration policy.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to send illegal immigrants who attempt to enter

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<v Speaker 1>the UK via the English Channel to Rwanda.

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<v Speaker 3>Richie Sunac himself one day one which didn't help his

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<v Speaker 3>bad campaigning streak, said that there would be no flights

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<v Speaker 3>to Rwanda before July the fourth, when the election will

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<v Speaker 3>be held. He says it will only happen if a

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<v Speaker 3>Conservative government wins, so he won't have the image of

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<v Speaker 3>sending anybody off. But the problem he was going to

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<v Speaker 3>have is what if flights left in September to Rwanda,

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<v Speaker 3>but the small boats just kept on coming cross the

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<v Speaker 3>English Channel. Couldn't resk the policy being seen as a failure.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been five Conservative pms since twenty ten and

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<v Speaker 1>they've instituted immense reforms through education, to health and social policy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've stumbled by seeming entitled and out of touch.

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<v Speaker 1>First David Cameron, who gambled and lost on Brexit, Britain's

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<v Speaker 1>departure from the European Union. Cameron called the referendum pleading

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<v Speaker 1>with Britons to stay in the EU.

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<v Speaker 3>The British people have spoken and the answer is we're out.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the almost seven years of his premiership

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<v Speaker 3>were kind of flown away.

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<v Speaker 1>In that one instance, Cameron quit and Theresa May stepped up.

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<v Speaker 1>But May was slow to respond to the dreadful twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen Grenfell Tower public housing fire, where seventy two people died.

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<v Speaker 1>The warnings this building was a fire trap apparently went unheard, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It was impossible to miss the screams of those begging

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<v Speaker 2>to be saved from it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she couldn't get her own MPs to agree on

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<v Speaker 1>how the EU breakup should be handled.

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<v Speaker 3>She just didn't have the charisma and she didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the control of her party to succeed, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>left to Boris.

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<v Speaker 1>Boris, the brilliant, deeply flowed scruffbag who had successfully convinced

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<v Speaker 1>the British that EU was to blame for all their problems.

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<v Speaker 3>He was definitely the most consequential of those five prime ministers,

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<v Speaker 3>Claire and probably the most consequential prime minister definitely since Blair,

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<v Speaker 3>although you could make a very strong argument since Thatcher.

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<v Speaker 3>He got them out of the European Union, he led

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<v Speaker 3>them through the coronavirus pandemic. I think there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 3>that Boris and had extraordinary leadership when it came to

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<v Speaker 3>backing Ukraine in the months leading up to the war.

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<v Speaker 2>This hideous and barbaric venture of Vladimir Putin must end

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<v Speaker 2>in failure.

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<v Speaker 3>Boris Johnson is a hero and U train and rightly so.

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<v Speaker 3>But then there was the other side of Boris Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>There was the struggle with the truth, there was the chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>He shut up a bit night during lockdowns. It turns

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<v Speaker 3>out that his entire staff and Downing Street were constantly

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<v Speaker 3>having parties when other people, you know, couldn't go to

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<v Speaker 3>the funeral of their parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Speaker I wanted to apologize.

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<v Speaker 3>His operation was chaos, and so he was steamrolled by

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<v Speaker 3>his party. Basically he was only left with a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of ministers and he had to go. But a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of those ministers now say they wish they'd never done it,

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<v Speaker 3>because then they got Liz Truss'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Be forgiven for saying who because Liz Truss's prime ministership

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<v Speaker 1>only lasted fifty days and featured a wildly ambitious economic

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<v Speaker 1>plan that crashed markets and sent interest rates soaring. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>her most memorable moment was visiting Queen Elizabeth at home

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<v Speaker 1>in Balmoral and posing for what turned out to be

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<v Speaker 1>the last formal photo of the Queen.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a great irony, Claire, that the late

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<v Speaker 3>Queen's first pre minister was Winston Churchill, maybe the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>Breton who ever lived. Definitely the greatest British prime minister,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the man who won the Second World War

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<v Speaker 3>and stopped Haler. And we shall fight in the fields

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<v Speaker 3>and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills,

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<v Speaker 3>we shall never surrender. And then her last pre minister

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<v Speaker 3>was the shortest serving I'd probably the worst prey Minister

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<v Speaker 3>Breton ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>We import two thirds of archeese. That is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>She's written in her recent book that you know, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>why is this happening to me? To which point most

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<v Speaker 3>prime minister's globilis is actually an incredible opportunity to lead

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<v Speaker 3>your nation and you know, kind of darkness. But she

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<v Speaker 3>did it very woodenly. She had no charisma. She had

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<v Speaker 3>radical policies that most of her party fought went way

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<v Speaker 3>too far. It's okay to do Reaganomics if you're the

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<v Speaker 3>world's currency, but it doesn't really work when you're written

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<v Speaker 3>in you're about number seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And that led us to Rishie Sunac, who shares with

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<v Speaker 1>his wife a fortune of just over one billion Australian dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that Richie Sunac deserves a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 3>for fixing a lot of the economic mess he was

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<v Speaker 3>left with by Liz Trust in such a short period

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<v Speaker 3>of time. Inflation has come down to target band just

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<v Speaker 3>in the past week, which is why some people think

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<v Speaker 3>he called this election.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge gamble. Will Briton's thanks Sunac for fixing

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<v Speaker 1>the mess, punish him for the years of chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a reputation for being quite catchy and for

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<v Speaker 3>not really getting away. Everybody doesn't love them. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>not that good at politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the man who's carrying Labour's hope of kicking

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me not at that you not only get.

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<v Speaker 1>Better, things can only get better by d Ring. That

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<v Speaker 1>was UK labor theme song for the nineteen ninety seven

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<v Speaker 1>election when Tony Blair swept to power. Now there's a

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<v Speaker 1>new labor hope, so Keir Starmer. Casey a former Crown

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor and human rights barrister, the son of a nurse

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<v Speaker 1>and a factory worker.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the course of the last four years, we've changed

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party, returned it once more to the service

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<v Speaker 2>of working people.

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<v Speaker 1>Starmer wants to slash public health waiting times, create a

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<v Speaker 1>new border security command, set up a publicly owned green

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<v Speaker 1>energy firm paid for by a tax on oil and

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<v Speaker 1>gas and recruit thousands of new teachers. But so far

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<v Speaker 1>there's no big vision for sweeping change.

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<v Speaker 3>I think our cousin at The Thames The Great Thames

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<v Speaker 3>columnist Daniel Finkelstein put it really well recently, in which

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<v Speaker 3>she said Keir Starmer's message at this election as Breton

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<v Speaker 3>has broken, let's do nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Starmer stumbled over the issue of the trans community, struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to answer questions like what is a woman? All the

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<v Speaker 1>while he was battling to get rid of the forces

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<v Speaker 1>of former Labor lator Jeremy Corbyn, a hard core left

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<v Speaker 1>winger who'd promised to rip up the Bricksit deal and

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<v Speaker 1>nationalize the railways.

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<v Speaker 3>He has really brought them back to the center, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>saying that they would stick by, for example, Tory's spending rules,

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<v Speaker 3>which would lead to some big cuts in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>He's you know, repaired the relationship with business. He has

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<v Speaker 3>really done a fantastic job of making the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 3>an electable alternative of the classic centrist kind of hot

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<v Speaker 3>keating Clinton Blair kind of way. Gaza has been the

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<v Speaker 3>big problem for Keir Starmer. You know, he has done

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<v Speaker 3>so much clear to try and separate his party from

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<v Speaker 3>the Party of Jeremy Corbyn, which had some of the

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<v Speaker 3>worst conspiracy theorist Anti semits you could imagine kind of

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<v Speaker 3>near his center of power. But there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>British Labor MPs with huge Muslim constituencies who feel very

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<v Speaker 3>strongly on the issue of Palestine. Because he's so far ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>it hasn't really made a problem in opposition, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it will become a huge problem for him in government,

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<v Speaker 3>especially if he gets a large majority where he has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of left wing MPs that essentially act as

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<v Speaker 3>the real opposition about like Tony Blair faced during the

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<v Speaker 3>Iraq War when left wing MPs were constantly voting against

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<v Speaker 3>him on the Iraq War. But he does have this

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<v Speaker 3>general problem that he's basically trying to say nothing in

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<v Speaker 3>order to not scare the horses and get in and

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't always work, especially in an election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard focus On is The Australian's National chief of Staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us on the front. If you like

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