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Speaker 2: For the record. I'm don't trying to make y'all comfortable

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Speaker 1: For the record. I don't try and make y'all comfortable. Right.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to season eighteen of The Clink. I am

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Speaker 4: that pump today. It has been a phenomenal season to date.

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Speaker 4: We have had the most amazing guess and we still

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Speaker 4: have plenty more. Thank you very much to everybody out

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Speaker 4: there who continues to weekly download.

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud.

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Speaker 4: Over four years we've hit over six million downloads. We're

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Speaker 4: reaching so far and wide worldwide, and it's because of you, guys,

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Speaker 4: so thank you so much. Today's guest is really special.

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Speaker 4: It's something that I've been trying to make happen for

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Speaker 4: some time. And this wonderful man has a fantastic story

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Speaker 4: of just pure grit, resilience and life. And when I

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Speaker 4: Hasn't always been easy roads. And I can tell you now.

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Speaker 1: From his story when you hear it today, this man

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Speaker 1: has truly been a warrior from the get go. Hey's

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Speaker 1: the huntsman.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you very much for that introduction.

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Speaker 4: We are finally sitting down at a table, and I

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Speaker 4: can't thank you enough this time. Look, I know that

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Speaker 4: you're a very busy man, especially these days, gone from

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Speaker 4: being a personal trainer slash coach, jim owner to now worldwide.

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Speaker 1: Traveler, dad, provider, mentor even culturally just giving back to community.

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Speaker 1: Everything that you were doing just has so much purpose.

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Speaker 4: And look, from the outside looking in, I'm super pumped

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Speaker 4: for our audience today to hear about your story because

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Speaker 4: I think truly what people see is always the facts

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Speaker 5: Yet, especially when it comes to social media, we allow

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Speaker 5: glimpses into our life. However it is articulated or put

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Speaker 5: in a way that it can be perceived. It's quite

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Speaker 5: ambiguous in a way that it can be perceived. Absolutely, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I get a lot of I thought you were going

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought you were a cocky, arrogant. That

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Speaker 5: But yeah, man, is what it is. It's all all

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Speaker 4: Well, part of the journey was by you and your

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Speaker 4: through a mutual friend. And it was while we had

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Speaker 5: He actually came over to Sily with me for my

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Speaker 1: Did he really? Was he in your corner?

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Speaker 5: He wasn't in a corner, but we brought him over

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Speaker 4: That's a pump up in itself. Look, I really look

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Speaker 5: Life is just life. When it's all your night's all

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Speaker 5: But they were like, you can't fight for Australia if

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Speaker 1: But they wouldn't taken all glory if you'd gotten the goal,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think the the A team there. You

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Speaker 1: Luke's a lovely guy, big shout out, very very good legend.

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Speaker 5: Damien Hooper, Yeah, super Hooper. He was there moston. Neman

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Speaker 4: For you as a professional, having gone through an experience

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Speaker 5: Yeah. To be honest, for it could have been like

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Speaker 4: And this is the beautiful thing that we talk about

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Speaker 1: You know. So would you change? Can you change? Do

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, because yeah, like I'm everything that has

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Speaker 5: you know, So I wouldn't. I couldn't change anything.

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Speaker 4: I know you speak highly of your upbringing.

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Speaker 4: I guess, not too heavy if I can use those words.

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Speaker 4: But then you know, young fatherhood, wanting to provide for

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Speaker 1: Different fucking ball game, men, Yeah, exact, different ball game

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Speaker 5: So from those few poor choices, I got myself in trouble,

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Speaker 5: In this professional athletes face, especially in combat, a lot

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's because it's because I was still had a

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Speaker 5: started fighting again, Like I said that, I started fighting

437
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,761
Speaker 5: just to try and show the boys that I sort

438
00:21:06,801 --> 00:21:08,681
Speaker 5: of knew what I was talking about. Yeah, so that

439
00:21:08,681 --> 00:21:10,761
Speaker 5: that respect me a bit more and listen to what

440
00:21:10,801 --> 00:21:13,561
Speaker 5: I was saying. So I started doing that, and then

441
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,521
Speaker 5: a couple of fights. In my first ever boxing coach

442
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 5: with my dad was a guy called Dave Turner, and

443
00:21:19,281 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 5: he just reached He just reached out and he called

444
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 5: me after actually called me after my first fight back,

445
00:21:24,761 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 5: which was like a viral knockout, that sort of slip

446
00:21:27,481 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 5: and roll, Yeah, yes, I have say and you know

447
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 5: I saw his name come up as ah, yes, I

448
00:21:34,681 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 5: answer it expecting praise and he just goes, how fucking

449
00:21:38,281 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 5: fat are you? First thing he said, yeah, thanks, coach,

450
00:21:42,961 --> 00:21:46,361
Speaker 5: and then yeah, we started working again after that. But

451
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 5: that's that's very much our relationship. He sort of just

452
00:21:48,961 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 5: says it how it is and how he thinks things

453
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 5: will work. He went to the common Wealth Games for

454
00:21:52,761 --> 00:21:58,961
Speaker 5: boxing very good technically boxing one, but now Benach was

455
00:21:59,001 --> 00:22:01,161
Speaker 5: so different. So now now we speak about it. Yeah,

456
00:22:01,201 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 5: and now we bounced. We bounced things off each other

457
00:22:03,321 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 5: a lot more. It's more of a we have a

458
00:22:05,961 --> 00:22:08,281
Speaker 5: lot more conversations as opposed to going hey, look, hey,

459
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:09,521
Speaker 5: you should be doing this, should be doing that.

460
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

461
00:22:10,481 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very different, but it's good now, it's very good.

462
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 5: So he actually came. He came to those fights just.

463
00:22:15,481 --> 00:22:17,761
Speaker 1: On the fact of the difference in bare knuckle and

464
00:22:17,761 --> 00:22:19,241
Speaker 1: we're probably just getting a little bit because there's a

465
00:22:19,241 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: little bit I want to go back to. But whilst

466
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: we're here, growing up where I grew up, which was

467
00:22:24,681 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: predominantly an Indigenous community and as a white follow so

468
00:22:29,521 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 1: you just got to fight on It's just how it is.

469
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 1: You're always going to get jumped, are always going to get.

470
00:22:33,761 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 4: Picked, and street fighting was the way we were raised

471
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 4: and there's no rules, You just bang. What is the

472
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,801
Speaker 4: difference when you speak of how different bare knuckle is,

473
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,761
Speaker 4: because to me, that's street and please quote me I'm

474
00:22:48,761 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 4: wrong because I don't want to disrespect the sport. But

475
00:22:50,481 --> 00:22:52,241
Speaker 4: street fighting, to me, is a little bit similar to

476
00:22:52,281 --> 00:22:57,561
Speaker 4: bare knuckle. I personally, I have always said I prefer

477
00:22:57,801 --> 00:23:00,561
Speaker 4: no glo. I just I feel very awkward in glob

478
00:23:01,921 --> 00:23:05,801
Speaker 4: It just doesn't give me that sense that I'm really something.

479
00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: There's something mental about it.

480
00:23:07,241 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 4: Whereas because I've grown up the way I have, these

481
00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: hands here are what's kept me alive, that excites me,

482
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 4: you know. Forty nine Would I jump the ropes and

483
00:23:16,961 --> 00:23:20,961
Speaker 4: have a bare knuckle? Probably maybe one, but probably not.

484
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,481
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I would definitely jump the ropes again.

485
00:23:23,521 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 4: And I'm in the process of going back into training

486
00:23:25,761 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 4: for Muay Thai. I'm not finished, you know, and I

487
00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:32,401
Speaker 4: could comfortably do that. Why would it be so different

488
00:23:33,201 --> 00:23:35,601
Speaker 4: bare knuckle as opposed to just saying yeah, sweet, I'm

489
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: just going to go and have a crack.

490
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,321
Speaker 5: What so like, as opposed to the street running well.

491
00:23:40,321 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: In the comparison, yeah, like the difference in you know

492
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 4: what you've now learned wearing gloves on your hands and

493
00:23:46,961 --> 00:23:49,321
Speaker 4: boxing as opposed to feeling that just.

494
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,841
Speaker 1: Training, just that whole natural that connection.

495
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I love it. It's not like the connections

496
00:23:58,441 --> 00:24:03,681
Speaker 5: not as hard. No, man, no it's not. It's smoother,

497
00:24:04,441 --> 00:24:06,961
Speaker 5: it's more placed. I mean like, I'm sure some people

498
00:24:07,041 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 5: just getting their ball, but I don't.

499
00:24:08,521 --> 00:24:10,201
Speaker 1: Well, that was that was where I was heading because

500
00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: with boxing, you train for certain I guess fights. You

501
00:24:14,561 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: become tactical angles a lot more correct whether I'm I

502
00:24:18,961 --> 00:24:20,961
Speaker 1: going forward when I'm going to play sort of offensive

503
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,481
Speaker 1: or whatever. But with bennuckle, what you see, and I'm

504
00:24:25,481 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: only speaking from an outside, I say, this is the

505
00:24:27,721 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: valid part of your contribution is is just two blokes

506
00:24:31,281 --> 00:24:34,001
Speaker 1: or two ladies just bang and you can't predict what's

507
00:24:34,001 --> 00:24:34,521
Speaker 1: going to happen.

508
00:24:34,561 --> 00:24:37,321
Speaker 4: So how do you then train for that bloke or

509
00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:39,721
Speaker 4: that woman to come out and you know specifically how they.

510
00:24:41,041 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 5: The tactics are the same, The footwork is the same.

511
00:24:48,281 --> 00:24:52,001
Speaker 5: The punch placement is different. The punch placement is different.

512
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 5: I'd say the punch placement is closer to mm A

513
00:24:56,961 --> 00:24:59,801
Speaker 5: striking that there's boxing. If you want to.

514
00:25:00,961 --> 00:25:02,961
Speaker 1: Can you just elaborate for our listeners on that one,

515
00:25:02,961 --> 00:25:03,641
Speaker 1: because I want to.

516
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:11,041
Speaker 5: Keep to keep the integrity of your hands. I'd say

517
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: it'd be more suited to an MMA style striking pattern,

518
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: just the way that they throw their punches well closer

519
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,321
Speaker 5: closer than boxing anyway. In boxing, you get away with

520
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,321
Speaker 5: a lot because you've got a glove on your hand.

521
00:25:24,321 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 5: That's it. I mean like you've got bigger things to

522
00:25:26,521 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 5: defend yourself, and I mean like you can land a

523
00:25:29,721 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 5: clean shot on the temple and your hand can be

524
00:25:32,681 --> 00:25:36,561
Speaker 5: fine in a glove. It's not the case Panacle at all.

525
00:25:36,961 --> 00:25:38,761
Speaker 5: I've got a shattered hand because of it.

526
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,241
Speaker 1: Yet, well, you had two, didn't you.

527
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,321
Speaker 5: I didn't. I had two. It was my second second

528
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,001
Speaker 5: ever bank ackle fight, and it was only because in

529
00:25:46,041 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 5: my first Banacle fight, I landed a shot on the

530
00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 5: side of his head just above his ear, but actually

531
00:25:51,921 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 5: fractured a skull, so that the fact that his skull

532
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 5: broke a bit sort of absorbed more of the punch,

533
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 5: and so I didn't really do as much damage to

534
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 5: my hand impact because I got away with that in

535
00:26:06,721 --> 00:26:08,361
Speaker 5: the first fight. I was like, oh sweet, now I'm

536
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,921
Speaker 5: all good. I can punch, and then second fight hand

537
00:26:11,961 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 5: exploded like in the first minute.

538
00:26:13,521 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: So is there parts of the body, for example, with

539
00:26:16,721 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 4: bare knuckle fighting that you predominantly try to stay away

540
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: from because of the strength of bone area as opposed

541
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,001
Speaker 4: to finding pressure points knowing the buttons, so to speak.

542
00:26:28,201 --> 00:26:32,561
Speaker 5: Anywhere anywhere on the body is relatively fine, and then

543
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,161
Speaker 5: the target is sort of here across the eyebrows down here,

544
00:26:36,561 --> 00:26:38,681
Speaker 5: and then anywhere in the jaw lines fine as well.

545
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,241
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, but even then, man, like I've I've

546
00:26:41,241 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 5: seen boys that have landed clean upper cuts to the

547
00:26:43,321 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: chin and just shattered their hand. So I sort of

548
00:26:48,961 --> 00:26:52,161
Speaker 5: go anywhere here, I sort of aim anywhere around there,

549
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,281
Speaker 5: just face.

550
00:26:55,521 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: And overhand riders. Yeah, man, I'm staring away from overhand

551
00:27:00,441 --> 00:27:02,521
Speaker 1: rights now, Yeah, that's what broke this.

552
00:27:03,961 --> 00:27:04,201
Speaker 5: Yeah.

553
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you what your tactic is

554
00:27:06,681 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: going into your x FI because we don't want to

555
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,001
Speaker 1: give that away by any means, But obviously there's a plan. Yeah,

556
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: does how does one sort of still have that confidence

557
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: knowing and I mean, look this football, there's skateboarding, surfa,

558
00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:22,561
Speaker 1: whatever sport, any sort of sport, motocross for example, look

559
00:27:22,561 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: at these guys. You have a thousand broken bones, but

560
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,761
Speaker 1: you'll see a week after week back out there and

561
00:27:27,041 --> 00:27:29,721
Speaker 1: it flip it and turn it. How does Ben knuckle

562
00:27:29,761 --> 00:27:34,281
Speaker 1: fighter then recover, rebuild and confidently because it would dent

563
00:27:34,321 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: your confidence surely knowing that you've got probably one or

564
00:27:37,241 --> 00:27:38,521
Speaker 1: two punches in that hand and.

565
00:27:38,521 --> 00:27:41,001
Speaker 4: It's possible that you're going to shatter it again. But

566
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: you've got to give your all for those punches. Where

567
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,281
Speaker 4: does that sort of way up?

568
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,081
Speaker 5: Well, one, don't give you all on the punches anymore.

569
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 5: Just place the shot. It's Ben knucklebro they'll go. You

570
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 5: just got to touch them, they'll go.

571
00:27:55,481 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 6: You know.

572
00:27:56,041 --> 00:27:59,281
Speaker 5: So I really dial back on how much kinetic energy

573
00:27:59,281 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 5: your force on putting into the punch.

574
00:28:01,041 --> 00:28:04,521
Speaker 1: As try and place it. That's sorry, I would never happen.

575
00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:06,321
Speaker 1: That's what I just learned. Something.

576
00:28:06,521 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people, especially in the b

577
00:28:08,921 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 5: KFC and the b b k B. I know that

578
00:28:10,961 --> 00:28:12,761
Speaker 5: they still swing their shots and as as they can.

579
00:28:12,801 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 5: But I don't, I don't, I don't have to.

580
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,921
Speaker 1: But that's smart play. Yeah, oh yeah, man, and you're

581
00:28:18,961 --> 00:28:20,801
Speaker 1: not You're an intelligent man.

582
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 5: I don't want to, you know, I sort of want to,

583
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 5: not not that I want to keep fighting, but I

584
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 5: want to be able to use my hands after I finished,

585
00:28:29,201 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I just don't want to

586
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 5: have these big, mangled mess.

587
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: I have seen you strum on a guitar. You do

588
00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:36,521
Speaker 1: that quite well.

589
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,201
Speaker 5: That's actually really hard for me in LA. I can't

590
00:28:39,201 --> 00:28:41,321
Speaker 5: get through a song without my hands really heard.

591
00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:45,561
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So there is the reality that's the dream,

592
00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:48,481
Speaker 1: and then you you're sacrificing something else that is also

593
00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:49,441
Speaker 1: something that.

594
00:28:50,641 --> 00:28:52,361
Speaker 5: Even just playing piano, I can't.

595
00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:53,601
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't.

596
00:28:54,041 --> 00:28:56,881
Speaker 5: I can't stretch an octave anymore because I shaded both

597
00:28:57,601 --> 00:28:58,001
Speaker 5: fifth me.

598
00:28:58,961 --> 00:28:59,201
Speaker 1: Wow.

599
00:28:59,441 --> 00:29:01,201
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean I can, but it hurts.

600
00:29:01,921 --> 00:29:05,801
Speaker 1: There you go sacrifice a little to get a lot. Yeah,

601
00:29:05,841 --> 00:29:08,041
Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, and I think it's

602
00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:10,321
Speaker 1: really valid at the moment, and that's what I was saying.

603
00:29:10,321 --> 00:29:12,161
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back a little bit, you know,

604
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: going back into your warrior spirit, your culture, your people,

605
00:29:18,041 --> 00:29:20,841
Speaker 1: and you you're so proudly speak of your Maldi heritage,

606
00:29:20,921 --> 00:29:24,841
Speaker 1: and I see and I look from Afar and I do.

607
00:29:25,281 --> 00:29:28,241
Speaker 1: I think it's it's phenomenal. You go back, you give back.

608
00:29:28,841 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.

609
00:29:29,841 --> 00:29:33,841
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously a man who presents with culture

610
00:29:33,881 --> 00:29:36,641
Speaker 4: facially as well as in appearance, in.

611
00:29:36,761 --> 00:29:41,121
Speaker 5: Inverbal man like. Yeah, I'm very proud, very proud to

612
00:29:41,161 --> 00:29:43,761
Speaker 5: be Maldy like and that's that's, man. I just feel

613
00:29:43,761 --> 00:29:46,841
Speaker 5: like that's just my daughters have it. They were born

614
00:29:46,881 --> 00:29:50,401
Speaker 5: over here. Yeah, yeah, and two of them are at

615
00:29:50,441 --> 00:29:52,681
Speaker 5: blonde hair and blue eyes, you know, through their children

616
00:29:52,721 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: and stuff, but they're they're just so pro Moldy, so

617
00:29:55,481 --> 00:29:58,681
Speaker 5: proud to be Mauldy and saying that, man, I'm still

618
00:29:58,841 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: I'm very proud of my parking houtside as well, you

619
00:30:01,281 --> 00:30:03,681
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Fucking Papa is a big thing

620
00:30:03,721 --> 00:30:06,801
Speaker 5: for molder people. And that's that's of going back through

621
00:30:07,281 --> 00:30:11,001
Speaker 5: I guess your ancestry, and I try and give both

622
00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: my Maori and Pakia side the same, the same respect.

623
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:14,921
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

624
00:30:16,041 --> 00:30:19,881
Speaker 5: It just happens that my biggest percentage is Maldi, I

625
00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:23,321
Speaker 5: mean big. Obviously the biggest percentage is European, but one

626
00:30:23,401 --> 00:30:27,161
Speaker 5: singular sort of cultural race, my biggest percentage is Mary So.

627
00:30:26,961 --> 00:30:29,921
Speaker 1: I think even if you remove the makl, and if

628
00:30:29,921 --> 00:30:33,561
Speaker 1: I pronounced it correct, you would still look at you

629
00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:38,761
Speaker 1: as Maori man close may look like I have my children.

630
00:30:38,801 --> 00:30:41,561
Speaker 4: As I said, blood lines are blood line, and then

631
00:30:43,281 --> 00:30:46,241
Speaker 4: so I've paid interest. I'm Irish.

632
00:30:46,761 --> 00:30:49,881
Speaker 1: Grandparents are both born in Ireland and I'm born here,

633
00:30:49,921 --> 00:30:53,601
Speaker 1: but i carry strong Irish blood and so for me,

634
00:30:54,361 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's about knowing who you are. And

635
00:30:56,841 --> 00:31:01,161
Speaker 1: my children's heritage is exactly you know, of the similar

636
00:31:01,161 --> 00:31:05,841
Speaker 1: blood line to yourself and your children and their mum

637
00:31:05,921 --> 00:31:09,281
Speaker 1: is predominantly pucky up, but you know, go back into

638
00:31:09,321 --> 00:31:12,841
Speaker 1: her grandfather, greatful and grandfather, you strongly see the Maldi.

639
00:31:13,041 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. So both both my parents are Malty. Both of

640
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:19,481
Speaker 5: their fathers are mary Wore, their mothers are both European.

641
00:31:20,881 --> 00:31:23,361
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, man, it's something I'm very proud of,

642
00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:26,961
Speaker 5: just just me being me. You know, I think I'm

643
00:31:27,001 --> 00:31:29,641
Speaker 5: a good man. I think i'm you know, I think

644
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: I'm I'm.

645
00:31:31,361 --> 00:31:33,481
Speaker 1: Tingling bro like the hands of my arms right now,

646
00:31:33,641 --> 00:31:36,281
Speaker 1: just by you saying like that's that's your that's your mon,

647
00:31:36,401 --> 00:31:41,161
Speaker 1: that's that's your presence. I had Warren, he just recently beautiful,

648
00:31:41,201 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: beautiful man, you know, who he is from. Amend's minimal, yes,

649
00:31:46,521 --> 00:31:48,401
Speaker 1: like you know you.

650
00:31:48,401 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: Boys and he's same, you know, just that beautiful peace energy.

651
00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:58,641
Speaker 1: But yeah, that warrior sort of presence, but it's not

652
00:31:58,801 --> 00:32:01,801
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly to the port of like if I needed a

653
00:32:01,881 --> 00:32:05,441
Speaker 1: hug without sounding like you'd be the first to reach

654
00:32:05,481 --> 00:32:07,761
Speaker 1: out and give me that hrd as opposed to off mate,

655
00:32:07,801 --> 00:32:08,841
Speaker 1: like you know.

656
00:32:09,441 --> 00:32:12,881
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, that's that's our people. It is Undres, that's

657
00:32:12,921 --> 00:32:14,601
Speaker 5: that's that's tow MILDI Bro's.

658
00:32:14,241 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: That's what we are. I love it, and that's that's

659
00:32:16,321 --> 00:32:17,081
Speaker 1: just our culture.

660
00:32:17,121 --> 00:32:21,881
Speaker 5: Like we were very warrior based, but we're very family orientated,

661
00:32:22,081 --> 00:32:26,441
Speaker 5: very close. We enjoy that that village mentality, that sort

662
00:32:26,441 --> 00:32:28,201
Speaker 5: of no one has left behind or left out sort

663
00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:31,121
Speaker 5: of mentality as well. So that's just how we've grown up. Man,

664
00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:31,921
Speaker 5: That's just how it is.

665
00:32:31,961 --> 00:32:34,921
Speaker 1: When you go back over the water, so to speak,

666
00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:38,801
Speaker 1: how is it for you now and now that people

667
00:32:39,001 --> 00:32:42,801
Speaker 1: know your passion around your your culture and your people,

668
00:32:43,601 --> 00:32:45,881
Speaker 1: would it be right to say that, you know, the

669
00:32:45,921 --> 00:32:48,921
Speaker 1: open arms are a plenty when you go back home,

670
00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:52,801
Speaker 1: people want to have you in and around community and

671
00:32:53,121 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: or is it still sort of I know, but it's

672
00:32:57,281 --> 00:32:58,841
Speaker 1: not something I'm thinking about. Yeah, I mean, you know,

673
00:32:59,161 --> 00:33:00,081
Speaker 1: I'm not well asked.

674
00:33:00,321 --> 00:33:02,961
Speaker 5: I'm not doing you know, I'm not I'm not doing

675
00:33:03,921 --> 00:33:08,601
Speaker 5: things for everyone's acceptance. If it's there, it's there, and

676
00:33:08,601 --> 00:33:10,921
Speaker 5: that's you know, and kilter for that, you know, But

677
00:33:11,201 --> 00:33:13,721
Speaker 5: you know, it's not why I'm doing what I'm doing,

678
00:33:13,761 --> 00:33:15,881
Speaker 5: you know, Like I never wanted to be a wrong.

679
00:33:15,721 --> 00:33:19,721
Speaker 1: Model, but you are and there's no way of escaping it. Now.

680
00:33:20,161 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: You literally will be an idol to so many and

681
00:33:24,001 --> 00:33:27,681
Speaker 1: as you're saying, and you specifically do speak of it

682
00:33:27,681 --> 00:33:30,121
Speaker 1: in your press conference and that how proud you are

683
00:33:30,281 --> 00:33:33,361
Speaker 1: and proud for your people to be the start of

684
00:33:33,441 --> 00:33:35,121
Speaker 1: something great for the future.

685
00:33:35,121 --> 00:33:37,641
Speaker 4: And I did hear you even speak of you know,

686
00:33:37,761 --> 00:33:39,641
Speaker 4: even if your children were to come in, they'll be

687
00:33:39,641 --> 00:33:43,561
Speaker 4: better than you for what you laid and for your people.

688
00:33:44,641 --> 00:33:46,681
Speaker 4: And I just sort of took that in and I

689
00:33:46,721 --> 00:33:50,601
Speaker 4: felt myself afoot, that really just is a beautiful way

690
00:33:50,601 --> 00:33:53,961
Speaker 4: of looking at it. As sure, you will be a

691
00:33:54,001 --> 00:33:56,601
Speaker 4: world champion, that's the goal, and it's going to happen,

692
00:33:57,561 --> 00:34:00,601
Speaker 4: but it's more about setting that.

693
00:34:01,121 --> 00:34:02,881
Speaker 5: Platform opening doors.

694
00:34:03,001 --> 00:34:03,481
Speaker 1: Yeah.

695
00:34:03,281 --> 00:34:06,601
Speaker 4: Yeah, excepting that you're going to be great, but there's

696
00:34:06,601 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: going to be somebody come greater than you.

697
00:34:09,641 --> 00:34:12,121
Speaker 1: Because of what you've allowed yourself.

698
00:34:13,681 --> 00:34:16,881
Speaker 5: I'm very excited for the b KFC to come to

699
00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: the side of the world because I think we'll take

700
00:34:18,961 --> 00:34:21,281
Speaker 5: it over. Man, to be honest, honestly.

701
00:34:21,081 --> 00:34:23,641
Speaker 1: As in Polly's pollies.

702
00:34:24,401 --> 00:34:26,921
Speaker 5: Even just how boys man.

703
00:34:26,401 --> 00:34:28,561
Speaker 1: Shout out to Tafa to bro hold your head high,

704
00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:32,121
Speaker 1: God bless her. There's that family man like I've.

705
00:34:32,361 --> 00:34:35,321
Speaker 5: I think that did great and bannuckle man, why what

706
00:34:35,521 --> 00:34:36,201
Speaker 5: why not jump?

707
00:34:36,401 --> 00:34:39,281
Speaker 1: But do you reckon? He might be a little bit

708
00:34:39,321 --> 00:34:45,881
Speaker 1: too lean now for his power in fast? Yeah?

709
00:34:45,641 --> 00:34:47,361
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is five?

710
00:34:47,641 --> 00:34:47,881
Speaker 1: Yeah?

711
00:34:48,001 --> 00:34:49,841
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sleep most.

712
00:34:49,681 --> 00:34:51,481
Speaker 1: Of the imagine all the boys.

713
00:34:51,721 --> 00:34:53,881
Speaker 4: Imagine all the tougher boys coming out on a show.

714
00:34:55,561 --> 00:35:00,281
Speaker 4: A shutdown there you b bam tougher brothers.

715
00:35:01,121 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: Even like, because I know that Luke Jackson's interested, I

716
00:35:06,281 --> 00:35:10,681
Speaker 5: kill it too, you know what the animal instinct Jason

717
00:35:10,721 --> 00:35:13,841
Speaker 5: Whiteley as well. Yeah, yeah, he's keen. You know, like

718
00:35:13,921 --> 00:35:15,641
Speaker 5: we get those boys on the world stage, man, they'll

719
00:35:15,641 --> 00:35:19,321
Speaker 5: carve it up, promise. I mean they've grown up having

720
00:35:19,321 --> 00:35:21,081
Speaker 5: a bang on with all the islanders and ships.

721
00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:23,561
Speaker 1: That was what I was saying about my growing up

722
00:35:23,601 --> 00:35:25,921
Speaker 1: and the relevance to where it is today.

723
00:35:26,121 --> 00:35:28,681
Speaker 4: Was exactly that. You know, I grew up in Campbelltown.

724
00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: You're either with the with the Quarries or you're with the.

725
00:35:31,361 --> 00:35:34,361
Speaker 1: Islander Boys, you know, the Stars or the Tongans. And

726
00:35:34,521 --> 00:35:36,601
Speaker 1: there was the Asians which to just chop you up.

727
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:40,681
Speaker 1: You were guaranteed you safe.

728
00:35:41,521 --> 00:35:44,361
Speaker 4: But the poly Boys was back in an era at

729
00:35:44,401 --> 00:35:46,401
Speaker 4: forty nine was the Red and the Blues, you know,

730
00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:48,641
Speaker 4: like it was that sort of American style.

731
00:35:48,921 --> 00:35:50,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, gang thing.

732
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:54,121
Speaker 4: So it was just bare knuckles, it was raw, it

733
00:35:54,161 --> 00:35:56,001
Speaker 4: was in the street, it was just on.

734
00:35:56,321 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: It didn't matter.

735
00:35:57,121 --> 00:36:00,761
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't ever really remember, because man, I've had

736
00:36:01,881 --> 00:36:04,041
Speaker 5: treble digits street ights, you know what I mean, Like,

737
00:36:04,281 --> 00:36:07,681
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you how many, but yeah, it's got

738
00:36:07,761 --> 00:36:08,161
Speaker 5: to be triple.

739
00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:12,521
Speaker 4: I think that things like that can never really prepare you.

740
00:36:12,641 --> 00:36:15,441
Speaker 4: And you know, until you've gone overall. You know, in

741
00:36:15,441 --> 00:36:18,241
Speaker 4: respect to all women as well, under the ropes, you

742
00:36:18,321 --> 00:36:21,161
Speaker 4: have no right to comment or speak. You know, we

743
00:36:21,241 --> 00:36:24,161
Speaker 4: see all these wonderful I guess keyboard worries, and I

744
00:36:24,201 --> 00:36:26,281
Speaker 4: know that you pay little attention to it as well.

745
00:36:26,761 --> 00:36:29,241
Speaker 5: I sometimes have a got them just just for shits

746
00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:32,121
Speaker 5: and gigs. Yeah, at the end of the day. Bro,

747
00:36:32,721 --> 00:36:35,601
Speaker 5: What I do is a spectator sport. Their opinions are

748
00:36:35,601 --> 00:36:38,681
Speaker 5: actually what keeps of the money coming in. But if

749
00:36:38,721 --> 00:36:41,121
Speaker 5: I can roll a couple of them up, they'll start

750
00:36:41,121 --> 00:36:42,921
Speaker 5: doing every post I put up, Bro, you know what

751
00:36:42,961 --> 00:36:44,761
Speaker 5: I mean? Like that, So if they're constantly coming in

752
00:36:44,801 --> 00:36:46,161
Speaker 5: on my post, I'm winning.

753
00:36:46,201 --> 00:36:46,361
Speaker 1: Bro.

754
00:36:48,161 --> 00:36:50,361
Speaker 5: Everything I do. Everything I do is tactical.

755
00:36:51,961 --> 00:36:53,961
Speaker 4: That's kind of true, because you said, what do they

756
00:36:53,961 --> 00:36:55,961
Speaker 4: call it? It's a thread, isn't it. It just starts going

757
00:36:56,001 --> 00:36:58,481
Speaker 4: and going and going. And then they become your biggest

758
00:36:58,481 --> 00:37:02,121
Speaker 4: fan but hater, and they're actually they love you because

759
00:37:02,121 --> 00:37:03,081
Speaker 4: they can't stand you.

760
00:37:03,161 --> 00:37:04,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. But they can't shut

761
00:37:04,841 --> 00:37:05,761
Speaker 1: up everything.

762
00:37:07,001 --> 00:37:09,841
Speaker 5: Comments on stuff. It just pushes my stuff out to

763
00:37:09,961 --> 00:37:10,841
Speaker 5: all of their crowd.

764
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:12,361
Speaker 1: It's so true.

765
00:37:12,481 --> 00:37:13,721
Speaker 5: And then they all just get on there and they're

766
00:37:13,721 --> 00:37:17,361
Speaker 5: all just talking about around with a little bit more

767
00:37:17,521 --> 00:37:19,801
Speaker 5: I do, Tom, I want to get to a point

768
00:37:19,801 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 5: where I don't have to and I'm close. I'm close

769
00:37:22,481 --> 00:37:24,041
Speaker 5: to it now. Like I've got a lot of good

770
00:37:24,841 --> 00:37:27,601
Speaker 5: supporters and followers and friends that are just like, get

771
00:37:27,641 --> 00:37:29,761
Speaker 5: in there and do it, do it for me. I

772
00:37:29,801 --> 00:37:32,961
Speaker 5: love that. I like, I see I see a hateful

773
00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:34,321
Speaker 5: coming come up and I'll go in and then it's

774
00:37:34,321 --> 00:37:37,081
Speaker 5: got like seven replies. The other boy's been like, shut up,

775
00:37:37,121 --> 00:37:40,961
Speaker 5: you idiots. I'm not allowed to say it because I'll

776
00:37:41,001 --> 00:37:43,921
Speaker 5: get my in my rebuttals. My rebuttals have to be

777
00:37:44,201 --> 00:37:49,281
Speaker 5: I didn't think of issue for question. Yeah, And Instagram

778
00:37:49,641 --> 00:37:52,441
Speaker 5: often tells me I can't say certain things or TikTok

779
00:37:52,441 --> 00:37:53,081
Speaker 5: will be like you know that.

780
00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:57,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, which would then cause a problem in a promotional

781
00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:59,721
Speaker 4: point of view, which then affects your career.

782
00:37:59,801 --> 00:38:03,841
Speaker 5: So you can ambiguously sort of have a stab at things.

783
00:38:03,841 --> 00:38:09,121
Speaker 1: And if there what about wifey a boxer's wife, does

784
00:38:09,481 --> 00:38:11,681
Speaker 1: he get out there and just load him? I'll say, buddy,

785
00:38:11,681 --> 00:38:16,761
Speaker 1: pull your head because you can't sorry for everybody we have.

786
00:38:17,761 --> 00:38:20,241
Speaker 4: We have both parties in the house today and it's

787
00:38:20,241 --> 00:38:24,241
Speaker 4: a beautiful thing. I'm just gonna just say the boxer's

788
00:38:24,281 --> 00:38:26,161
Speaker 4: wife because that's all that needs to be said. And

789
00:38:26,201 --> 00:38:28,161
Speaker 4: if you're on Instagram, go and follow the boxer's wife

790
00:38:28,161 --> 00:38:30,321
Speaker 4: because between the two it's a crack.

791
00:38:31,081 --> 00:38:35,001
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was called that little I'd have to say

792
00:38:35,001 --> 00:38:38,441
Speaker 5: it's a stroker genius the social media platform we created

793
00:38:38,521 --> 00:38:43,201
Speaker 5: for her, because it does get to show two sides

794
00:38:43,241 --> 00:38:45,921
Speaker 5: of of what it is. You know, like she likes

795
00:38:45,921 --> 00:38:49,961
Speaker 5: doing all the funny couple sort of videos and stuff

796
00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:51,281
Speaker 5: like that. I'd never post.

797
00:38:51,041 --> 00:38:58,241
Speaker 6: On my sometimes, And yeah, I like it purely for

798
00:38:58,281 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 6: the fact that the day you're just going fuck leave

799
00:39:00,521 --> 00:39:03,361
Speaker 6: me alone.

800
00:39:03,921 --> 00:39:07,641
Speaker 5: I do shoes sometimes, and especially if we have to

801
00:39:07,681 --> 00:39:09,921
Speaker 5: do like several takes on something and I'm like, I

802
00:39:09,921 --> 00:39:10,721
Speaker 5: didn't even want to do this.

803
00:39:11,881 --> 00:39:12,681
Speaker 1: What do you reckon your pet?

804
00:39:12,721 --> 00:39:15,001
Speaker 4: Hates eating ones when you're doing something to do with

805
00:39:15,081 --> 00:39:16,321
Speaker 4: food or something like that.

806
00:39:17,361 --> 00:39:21,081
Speaker 5: No, it's something embarrassing in public?

807
00:39:23,321 --> 00:39:27,041
Speaker 1: What about your car yard? One? Funny? They are funny.

808
00:39:27,481 --> 00:39:30,441
Speaker 1: I just look, he's just fucking loving.

809
00:39:32,521 --> 00:39:34,681
Speaker 5: Yeah, man like this. I don't know just some of

810
00:39:34,721 --> 00:39:37,041
Speaker 5: the stuff, some of the stuff I have to do

811
00:39:37,121 --> 00:39:38,561
Speaker 5: in public at the gym or something of that.

812
00:39:38,641 --> 00:39:41,681
Speaker 1: I'm I think there was one with the two of

813
00:39:41,721 --> 00:39:42,641
Speaker 1: you's going back.

814
00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:45,201
Speaker 4: I think you're at a butcher. Yeah, that one of

815
00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:47,521
Speaker 4: the original ones of the butchers. Was that correct, where

816
00:39:47,521 --> 00:39:48,841
Speaker 4: the boxer's wife.

817
00:39:48,881 --> 00:39:51,521
Speaker 5: They weren't too bad, that were actually quite cool, Yeah,

818
00:39:51,561 --> 00:39:54,801
Speaker 5: because they Yeah, avon butchery in in Auckland.

819
00:39:55,201 --> 00:39:56,361
Speaker 1: Was that an n Z? Yeah?

820
00:39:56,681 --> 00:40:00,401
Speaker 4: Oh right, I'm thinking it was on the gold, he's

821
00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:01,601
Speaker 4: got his hangies all sorted.

822
00:40:01,841 --> 00:40:04,881
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does really well with his social media too,

823
00:40:05,081 --> 00:40:07,561
Speaker 5: And it's just right. It's just man like, social media

824
00:40:07,641 --> 00:40:10,361
Speaker 5: is a tool and if you can use it and

825
00:40:10,481 --> 00:40:11,961
Speaker 5: sort of put it to you so you can really

826
00:40:12,121 --> 00:40:14,681
Speaker 5: set yourselves up, you know, and put yourself in a

827
00:40:14,721 --> 00:40:17,161
Speaker 5: good space, even for your fighting. I mean, you just

828
00:40:17,161 --> 00:40:19,961
Speaker 5: look at Jake Paul Man like, ah, but look at

829
00:40:19,961 --> 00:40:22,481
Speaker 5: what he's done. I mean, and it's just from his

830
00:40:22,641 --> 00:40:26,601
Speaker 5: social media reach. So that's that's that's what we're doing

831
00:40:26,601 --> 00:40:26,961
Speaker 5: it for you.

832
00:40:27,081 --> 00:40:27,441
Speaker 1: Why not?

833
00:40:27,601 --> 00:40:29,721
Speaker 4: And it's it's look, if it puts food on the

834
00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:32,241
Speaker 4: table legitimately without having to worry about going to court

835
00:40:32,241 --> 00:40:34,481
Speaker 4: and doing jail time, being away from your beautiful children

836
00:40:34,521 --> 00:40:35,361
Speaker 4: and wife, then bro.

837
00:40:36,201 --> 00:40:37,001
Speaker 1: We do what we do.

838
00:40:37,361 --> 00:40:39,561
Speaker 4: And you know, like it's just I always say to people,

839
00:40:39,681 --> 00:40:42,201
Speaker 4: even with business, you know, they say, you know you're

840
00:40:42,241 --> 00:40:44,881
Speaker 4: doing okay, Well things are okay.

841
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,281
Speaker 1: I could do so much better. I'm always open to learn.

842
00:40:47,561 --> 00:40:51,201
Speaker 4: But I've taken the street mentality of how back in

843
00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:53,401
Speaker 4: the day I would do what I was doing, and

844
00:40:53,521 --> 00:40:55,721
Speaker 4: you flip it into legitimacy.

845
00:40:56,761 --> 00:41:00,881
Speaker 1: It's very similar in the way that your mind puts

846
00:41:00,881 --> 00:41:03,401
Speaker 1: it together executes it and says, right now, pay me

847
00:41:03,441 --> 00:41:05,041
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

848
00:41:05,561 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: It allows you to do that, and you have that

849
00:41:08,241 --> 00:41:09,521
Speaker 4: mindset mentality.

850
00:41:09,721 --> 00:41:12,881
Speaker 1: I have it, and obviously we've got it as well.

851
00:41:13,041 --> 00:41:16,521
Speaker 5: At the point where it's like, cool, we don't have

852
00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:20,121
Speaker 5: any more not businesses right now, I've got a couple

853
00:41:20,121 --> 00:41:23,641
Speaker 5: of assets that are that we're about to release. Okay,

854
00:41:23,681 --> 00:41:26,361
Speaker 5: but man, like, we haven't worked for the better part

855
00:41:26,401 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: of a year, have we done nothing? Like The only

856
00:41:29,041 --> 00:41:33,401
Speaker 5: income of gotten As has come from sponsorships or partnerships

857
00:41:33,401 --> 00:41:36,761
Speaker 5: that have come through our social media engagement.

858
00:41:37,121 --> 00:41:39,401
Speaker 4: Well, credit to is because I'll tell you now, you

859
00:41:39,441 --> 00:41:41,681
Speaker 4: know it's it doesn't come easy.

860
00:41:41,921 --> 00:41:44,681
Speaker 1: You've built that up. No, No, it's yours. You've worked

861
00:41:44,681 --> 00:41:45,401
Speaker 1: hard for it.

862
00:41:46,161 --> 00:41:48,521
Speaker 4: Let's just go back a little also too, I want

863
00:41:48,521 --> 00:41:51,441
Speaker 4: to ask you, you're on the coast, you're doing your best,

864
00:41:52,041 --> 00:41:54,001
Speaker 4: and I did what you go through a period there

865
00:41:54,361 --> 00:41:57,081
Speaker 4: where you sort of looked.

866
00:41:56,801 --> 00:41:57,881
Speaker 1: In my eyes.

867
00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:00,521
Speaker 4: Like you were just in a bit of a void

868
00:42:01,161 --> 00:42:04,481
Speaker 4: before this bare knuckle thing come along and look tell

869
00:42:04,521 --> 00:42:06,041
Speaker 4: me to shut up, and you know, quote me if

870
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:08,241
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, But it looked like to me that it

871
00:42:08,321 --> 00:42:10,681
Speaker 4: may have even been a little bit mental health that

872
00:42:10,761 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: you felt. Yeah, yeah, I mean just in a body

873
00:42:13,441 --> 00:42:15,601
Speaker 4: I'm a big body language person. I look into eyes,

874
00:42:15,641 --> 00:42:18,681
Speaker 4: I watch people's body language. It's how I've lived my life. Ye,

875
00:42:20,001 --> 00:42:22,361
Speaker 4: but I could see it. I could just see there

876
00:42:22,441 --> 00:42:25,601
Speaker 4: was a lot of pressure. And I know that as

877
00:42:25,641 --> 00:42:28,841
Speaker 4: a man, mental health is a big thing to us all.

878
00:42:29,841 --> 00:42:32,921
Speaker 4: What's been the rollercoaster for you and the depths with

879
00:42:33,001 --> 00:42:33,761
Speaker 4: your mental health?

880
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:37,601
Speaker 5: And I mean, like mental health is it's something you

881
00:42:37,641 --> 00:42:40,081
Speaker 5: always have to work on it. It's always it's something that's

882
00:42:40,121 --> 00:42:43,041
Speaker 5: always there men. Like it's not just like one day

883
00:42:43,081 --> 00:42:45,361
Speaker 5: you click your fingers and it's yeah, I mean you

884
00:42:46,001 --> 00:42:49,081
Speaker 5: could be a multi millionaire still fucking suffer terrible mental health.

885
00:42:49,241 --> 00:42:51,281
Speaker 5: I mean, it doesn't doesn't mean anything. So I guess

886
00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:53,081
Speaker 5: there was always things that I was working on. But

887
00:42:53,121 --> 00:42:55,961
Speaker 5: I think probably the biggest thing. One of the things

888
00:42:55,961 --> 00:43:00,201
Speaker 5: would be a lot more understanding in our relationship. Just yeah,

889
00:43:00,241 --> 00:43:04,081
Speaker 5: like understanding the sort of ebbs and flows of my

890
00:43:05,281 --> 00:43:08,121
Speaker 5: solar phases, her lunar phases, things like that, just just

891
00:43:08,201 --> 00:43:12,401
Speaker 5: how how the ebbs and flows of life don't always match.

892
00:43:12,201 --> 00:43:15,081
Speaker 1: Up and really distructive times.

893
00:43:15,321 --> 00:43:18,081
Speaker 5: Just understanding that and just rolling with it a bit more.

894
00:43:18,801 --> 00:43:22,881
Speaker 5: Has definitely helped. Getting on top of things financially really helps.

895
00:43:23,481 --> 00:43:24,961
Speaker 5: And then men that the main thing is going to

896
00:43:25,001 --> 00:43:28,241
Speaker 5: be health. Yeah, Like I'm a lot healthier now, you

897
00:43:28,321 --> 00:43:30,241
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like, like I said, I was

898
00:43:30,281 --> 00:43:32,881
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty four odd kilo when we started

899
00:43:32,881 --> 00:43:33,481
Speaker 5: that gym.

900
00:43:33,721 --> 00:43:36,681
Speaker 1: Did you drink? Liked? So you've never sort of been

901
00:43:36,681 --> 00:43:38,521
Speaker 1: a drinker or never been sort of much of a

902
00:43:38,561 --> 00:43:40,921
Speaker 1: partier in reference to drugs and all that sort of shit.

903
00:43:40,961 --> 00:43:43,201
Speaker 1: It's just that was just how you chose to live.

904
00:43:43,761 --> 00:43:45,481
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, it was just it was

905
00:43:45,721 --> 00:43:48,281
Speaker 5: never really part of my life. I've been, so to speak,

906
00:43:48,281 --> 00:43:50,681
Speaker 5: a high achiever in sports my whole life, you know,

907
00:43:50,801 --> 00:43:51,321
Speaker 5: going through.

908
00:43:51,201 --> 00:43:55,961
Speaker 1: Rugby league, your big follow through athletic you know, like

909
00:43:56,041 --> 00:43:59,121
Speaker 1: I was, is it your daughter that's playing as well?

910
00:43:59,201 --> 00:44:01,921
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah, Wow I had when I.

911
00:44:01,881 --> 00:44:04,561
Speaker 1: Was put a shot on wow.

912
00:44:04,801 --> 00:44:08,121
Speaker 5: Yeah. And then then the middle tis just started up

913
00:44:08,161 --> 00:44:09,761
Speaker 5: to sat the first season.

914
00:44:09,961 --> 00:44:11,721
Speaker 1: Your oldest waugh to put a better shot on than you.

915
00:44:11,801 --> 00:44:19,681
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably probably go yeah, just the ebbs and first

916
00:44:19,681 --> 00:44:21,761
Speaker 5: of life. But you just you've got to get healthy too, man,

917
00:44:21,841 --> 00:44:25,081
Speaker 5: especially as a man, You've got to be healthy, healthy, body,

918
00:44:25,121 --> 00:44:27,761
Speaker 5: healthy mind. That old saying healthy body, healthy one and

919
00:44:27,801 --> 00:44:30,641
Speaker 5: that's yeah, and that's what I probably say.

920
00:44:30,881 --> 00:44:32,721
Speaker 1: Say it is, what do you truly believe that you

921
00:44:32,801 --> 00:44:36,401
Speaker 1: tapped into is really giving you this more openness and

922
00:44:37,441 --> 00:44:40,721
Speaker 1: I guess humbleness within your own heart if I can

923
00:44:40,801 --> 00:44:42,201
Speaker 1: use those words.

924
00:44:42,321 --> 00:44:44,721
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I guess is.

925
00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:47,241
Speaker 4: There something that you decided that you just said, look,

926
00:44:47,561 --> 00:44:49,721
Speaker 4: I need to reach out or there's somebody I need

927
00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:51,841
Speaker 4: to communicate, learn or educate.

928
00:44:52,681 --> 00:44:57,041
Speaker 5: It was more divine masculine traits man just being the

929
00:44:57,081 --> 00:45:00,321
Speaker 5: man that I thought men should be, you know, like

930
00:45:00,561 --> 00:45:06,361
Speaker 5: looking into a divine masculine man is more logical, he

931
00:45:06,481 --> 00:45:10,121
Speaker 5: is calm. He's also the warrior. He is a provider,

932
00:45:10,161 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: he's a protector, he's an educators things like this.

933
00:45:15,121 --> 00:45:17,721
Speaker 1: Would you more call that like a surrender to the ego?

934
00:45:19,321 --> 00:45:20,761
Speaker 5: Surrender to the ego.

935
00:45:21,241 --> 00:45:24,561
Speaker 4: In ourselves as men, we tend to and mate, I'm

936
00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:27,401
Speaker 4: absolutely guilty of it. I guess when we talk about

937
00:45:28,321 --> 00:45:35,201
Speaker 4: an understanding relationship, family communication, teamwork, and being a strong male,

938
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,561
Speaker 4: a strong present male that is able to deliver whatever

939
00:45:38,601 --> 00:45:41,441
Speaker 4: we need to and provide, but at the same song too,

940
00:45:42,001 --> 00:45:45,641
Speaker 4: being able to just sit down and listen listen to

941
00:45:45,681 --> 00:45:49,561
Speaker 4: our partners be respectful in our replies, even in our

942
00:45:49,601 --> 00:45:53,561
Speaker 4: moments of heated frustration, you know, they shut the fuck

943
00:45:53,641 --> 00:45:55,521
Speaker 4: up or fuck off, you know, like or getting into

944
00:45:55,521 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: a conflict situation where it's just totally unnecessary.

945
00:45:58,961 --> 00:46:02,921
Speaker 1: That's where I'm relating to. I guess surrendering that bravado,

946
00:46:03,041 --> 00:46:04,841
Speaker 1: you know that that like a fucking who the fuck

947
00:46:04,841 --> 00:46:08,081
Speaker 1: are you? You know, like, yeah, you know it's rather

948
00:46:08,081 --> 00:46:08,921
Speaker 1: than to stop and sit.

949
00:46:09,081 --> 00:46:11,721
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's something we've worked on. It's like the shame

950
00:46:11,801 --> 00:46:16,721
Speaker 5: deflection and trying to remove the expectation of what we

951
00:46:16,801 --> 00:46:21,241
Speaker 5: thought should happen, and they're being upset by it because

952
00:46:21,241 --> 00:46:25,521
Speaker 5: that's your that's your expectations. Yeah, we worked a bit

953
00:46:25,561 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 5: on that, worked a bit on that. Obviously, there's still

954
00:46:29,481 --> 00:46:32,641
Speaker 5: more work to do, especially in camp. Had done it

955
00:46:34,121 --> 00:46:36,361
Speaker 5: when I when I'm when I'm when I'm getting close

956
00:46:36,401 --> 00:46:37,801
Speaker 5: to that fight date where I'm going to go to

957
00:46:37,881 --> 00:46:38,561
Speaker 5: warmen you know.

958
00:46:38,641 --> 00:46:40,561
Speaker 4: Can you just explain this a little bit more in depth,

959
00:46:40,561 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: because this is a really thank you for bringing that up,

960
00:46:43,081 --> 00:46:45,081
Speaker 4: because I feel that a lot of listeners out there

961
00:46:45,121 --> 00:46:47,801
Speaker 4: think that they know that the training goes in but

962
00:46:48,161 --> 00:46:52,521
Speaker 4: behind closed doors, especially when if you're wacating, you know,

963
00:46:52,561 --> 00:46:54,041
Speaker 4: you're not even not.

964
00:46:53,961 --> 00:46:56,601
Speaker 5: Even waiting, I mean wakening, yes, heart, definitely, you go

965
00:46:56,641 --> 00:46:58,921
Speaker 5: on that calory deficit man, while you're still trying to

966
00:46:58,921 --> 00:47:03,081
Speaker 5: perform and hit markers and numbers. Very tough, very very tough.

967
00:47:04,081 --> 00:47:06,121
Speaker 5: But for me, it's just it's just the fact that

968
00:47:06,241 --> 00:47:09,681
Speaker 5: I'm about to step into the ring and one of

969
00:47:09,721 --> 00:47:13,121
Speaker 5: us may not make it out of there. Fact I'm

970
00:47:13,161 --> 00:47:16,241
Speaker 5: just hostile. I'm hostile. I don't even when I train

971
00:47:16,321 --> 00:47:17,761
Speaker 5: the gym, I don't want people to talk to me

972
00:47:18,441 --> 00:47:21,001
Speaker 5: like and I feel like a lot of people be like, oh,

973
00:47:21,041 --> 00:47:22,601
Speaker 5: that Hayes got he's a very nice you know, it

974
00:47:22,601 --> 00:47:25,161
Speaker 5: looks like he's nice to it. But it's just it'll

975
00:47:25,201 --> 00:47:28,881
Speaker 5: be that in four weeks I could fucking have to

976
00:47:28,921 --> 00:47:31,121
Speaker 5: take someone's off, or that my life could be taken.

977
00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:36,281
Speaker 5: So I'm very hostile and preparing myself for for that.

978
00:47:36,401 --> 00:47:38,481
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I think the biggest thing is

979
00:47:38,521 --> 00:47:39,121
Speaker 1: to Hayes.

980
00:47:39,681 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean in my own personal experience, you know, growing

981
00:47:43,081 --> 00:47:47,161
Speaker 4: up on the streets and survival mode. For me, it

982
00:47:47,241 --> 00:47:49,601
Speaker 4: was and I know this may sound a little bit

983
00:47:49,841 --> 00:47:52,721
Speaker 4: over exaggerated to listeners, but it was or be killed

984
00:47:53,361 --> 00:47:54,761
Speaker 4: the more blood I'm going to see on you, the

985
00:47:54,761 --> 00:47:56,721
Speaker 4: more excited I'm going to get, and the less I'm

986
00:47:56,721 --> 00:47:59,041
Speaker 4: gonna let you get any more on me, you know

987
00:47:59,081 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: what I mean?

988
00:47:59,481 --> 00:48:03,001
Speaker 1: Like it was, if we're going on the war, whatever

989
00:48:03,041 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: it might be, how far are you willing to go?

990
00:48:05,201 --> 00:48:08,361
Speaker 1: I'm going to the depth and that's the only way.

991
00:48:08,961 --> 00:48:12,361
Speaker 4: And for me, it was always survival to be that way,

992
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,961
Speaker 4: and thank God for it because it taught me to

993
00:48:16,601 --> 00:48:18,041
Speaker 4: get through survival and.

994
00:48:18,121 --> 00:48:18,841
Speaker 1: Be here today.

995
00:48:18,881 --> 00:48:22,521
Speaker 4: And it's not something that I would choose violence over

996
00:48:22,601 --> 00:48:26,481
Speaker 4: peace anymore. But happy to jump the rapes whatever, all

997
00:48:26,481 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: that sort of side of it. Controlled aggression, if you will.

998
00:48:29,841 --> 00:48:34,081
Speaker 4: But you know, the background of it starts from sometimes

999
00:48:34,121 --> 00:48:37,081
Speaker 4: and I'll use this this term is the scared boy within,

1000
00:48:37,681 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 4: because I believe, and you may quoite me wrong here,

1001
00:48:41,601 --> 00:48:44,081
Speaker 4: that you wouldn't do it if you didn't fear it.

1002
00:48:44,241 --> 00:48:46,801
Speaker 4: I believe, even as a warrior, you've got to have

1003
00:48:46,841 --> 00:48:48,001
Speaker 4: that part of you.

1004
00:48:48,881 --> 00:48:49,641
Speaker 5: You wouldn't react.

1005
00:48:49,801 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't bro like you can. Like you're looking

1006
00:48:52,521 --> 00:48:55,561
Speaker 1: at you and watching you walk down and jumping into

1007
00:48:55,561 --> 00:48:58,601
Speaker 1: that circle and you're just going to people think that

1008
00:48:58,681 --> 00:49:00,961
Speaker 1: the heart, you know, the mind is still.

1009
00:49:00,961 --> 00:49:04,321
Speaker 5: People think, oh, you know fighters, man, they're fearless. I've

1010
00:49:04,361 --> 00:49:07,721
Speaker 5: been terrified of every person I ever thought. That's my pointing, terrified.

1011
00:49:07,841 --> 00:49:11,561
Speaker 5: That's what gets you where you go. The thing is

1012
00:49:13,361 --> 00:49:16,921
Speaker 5: people feel fear, and they fault and they fold and

1013
00:49:16,961 --> 00:49:21,721
Speaker 5: they and they I don't. I feel fear, like I'm

1014
00:49:21,761 --> 00:49:24,641
Speaker 5: not controlled by it. That was skill I had to learn.

1015
00:49:24,881 --> 00:49:26,641
Speaker 5: That's something that you have to you do have to learn.

1016
00:49:26,681 --> 00:49:28,881
Speaker 5: You just have to constantly put yourself in those situations

1017
00:49:28,921 --> 00:49:33,241
Speaker 5: where you're like, fuck this, yeah, and just you're a man.

1018
00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:35,001
Speaker 5: You've got a job to do. Get the job done, man,

1019
00:49:35,361 --> 00:49:38,841
Speaker 5: That's that's what you're here for. So yeah, man, like

1020
00:49:39,721 --> 00:49:44,401
Speaker 5: I feel fear, I do not fear fear that you know.

1021
00:49:44,561 --> 00:49:47,361
Speaker 5: So that's that's that's how I've lived my whole life.

1022
00:49:47,361 --> 00:49:47,641
Speaker 1: Bro Like.

1023
00:49:47,681 --> 00:49:51,481
Speaker 5: Everyone's like, wow, you must be fearless, absolutely not fucking terrified.

1024
00:49:51,921 --> 00:49:54,161
Speaker 1: And do you know what, bro Like, I've sat with

1025
00:49:54,321 --> 00:49:59,601
Speaker 1: many a strong, proud worries in my time, and I

1026
00:49:59,641 --> 00:50:02,561
Speaker 1: truly believe that right there is the most honest answer

1027
00:50:02,601 --> 00:50:06,001
Speaker 1: you could give to somebody. Oh yeah, man like, absolutely

1028
00:50:06,921 --> 00:50:09,841
Speaker 1: it just the bloke that you were scared, man, you

1029
00:50:09,881 --> 00:50:11,361
Speaker 1: still want to get it done. You've got to get

1030
00:50:11,361 --> 00:50:12,601
Speaker 1: it done. That's right, it's scared.

1031
00:50:12,961 --> 00:50:15,281
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is in that situation is

1032
00:50:15,321 --> 00:50:17,161
Speaker 4: control on the heart. If you can bring the heart

1033
00:50:17,201 --> 00:50:20,961
Speaker 4: rate down and relax and breathe. And this is what

1034
00:50:21,041 --> 00:50:24,441
Speaker 4: I try to work with in certain little areas of

1035
00:50:24,441 --> 00:50:27,001
Speaker 4: what I try to achieve and do. And one thing

1036
00:50:27,041 --> 00:50:29,041
Speaker 4: for me was always just.

1037
00:50:29,041 --> 00:50:33,681
Speaker 1: Breathe, control, relax. Yeah, you know that.

1038
00:50:33,801 --> 00:50:36,921
Speaker 4: There's the fifty to fifty gun. It's one punch, do

1039
00:50:36,921 --> 00:50:40,721
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, especially at your weight.

1040
00:50:39,201 --> 00:50:42,721
Speaker 5: Right weight and the band awkwards, it's just it's even

1041
00:50:43,481 --> 00:50:45,841
Speaker 5: you have one punch, you lose an eye correct, Like

1042
00:50:46,401 --> 00:50:50,281
Speaker 5: there's it's bone playing, there's bone going into your fucking

1043
00:50:50,281 --> 00:50:50,881
Speaker 5: ice of it.

1044
00:50:51,121 --> 00:50:51,481
Speaker 1: Scary.

1045
00:50:51,761 --> 00:50:53,681
Speaker 5: Yeah, she can turn to jelly, you know what I mean?

1046
00:50:53,801 --> 00:50:56,321
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, I love it.

1047
00:50:56,361 --> 00:50:58,441
Speaker 4: And thank you for being vulnerable and being open and

1048
00:50:58,481 --> 00:51:00,721
Speaker 4: honest about that, you know, because it does. It shows

1049
00:51:00,721 --> 00:51:03,761
Speaker 4: the kind of man you are. How was the transition

1050
00:51:04,161 --> 00:51:07,721
Speaker 4: that moment? You know, all that sort of hard work

1051
00:51:07,761 --> 00:51:10,281
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden you're on a trajectory

1052
00:51:10,321 --> 00:51:14,761
Speaker 4: of bare knuckle you're training for it, and I did see,

1053
00:51:15,001 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: you know, you went through a phase there where you had,

1054
00:51:18,561 --> 00:51:21,241
Speaker 4: and I can't sort of quote who exactly it was,

1055
00:51:21,401 --> 00:51:24,201
Speaker 4: but there was somebody whom you had that had experience obviously,

1056
00:51:25,001 --> 00:51:27,721
Speaker 4: and you were you were doing totally different cans.

1057
00:51:27,881 --> 00:51:29,921
Speaker 1: It was totally transition that.

1058
00:51:31,041 --> 00:51:33,321
Speaker 5: Yeah. So it was a a guy called Jake who'd

1059
00:51:33,321 --> 00:51:38,121
Speaker 5: done Southern Mantis kung fu. But it was a lot

1060
00:51:38,121 --> 00:51:41,201
Speaker 5: of it was like a iron Fest iron jacket shit. Yeah,

1061
00:51:41,841 --> 00:51:45,121
Speaker 5: so a lot of it was conditioning and and it

1062
00:51:45,161 --> 00:51:48,201
Speaker 5: did help men, Like even just the mentality of there's

1063
00:51:48,241 --> 00:51:51,641
Speaker 5: still things I used that he taught me now when

1064
00:51:51,641 --> 00:51:53,841
Speaker 5: I'm fighting, even when I'm teaching, if I coach people

1065
00:51:53,881 --> 00:51:56,081
Speaker 5: about bare knuckle, a lot of the stuff that I

1066
00:51:56,121 --> 00:52:00,641
Speaker 5: still use. How that came about was I was thinking

1067
00:52:00,681 --> 00:52:03,761
Speaker 5: about bare knuckle. I don't really want to be close

1068
00:52:03,801 --> 00:52:07,161
Speaker 5: to people. So when I started training for it, I

1069
00:52:07,201 --> 00:52:10,561
Speaker 5: started I started doing everything with my with my lead hand,

1070
00:52:11,241 --> 00:52:13,641
Speaker 5: and someone through a one too, and I defended the

1071
00:52:13,641 --> 00:52:15,281
Speaker 5: one and then defended the two like that, and I

1072
00:52:15,281 --> 00:52:18,641
Speaker 5: was like, oh, that's like kung fuo. I just I

1073
00:52:18,801 --> 00:52:20,401
Speaker 5: just I was like, who knows kung through?

1074
00:52:21,921 --> 00:52:24,081
Speaker 1: And yeah, the mechanics of it, but makes sense to

1075
00:52:24,121 --> 00:52:25,881
Speaker 1: what you're say, because I mean, obviously when you perry,

1076
00:52:26,601 --> 00:52:29,161
Speaker 1: you parry that way, but you don't generally perry to

1077
00:52:29,201 --> 00:52:29,721
Speaker 1: perry out.

1078
00:52:30,201 --> 00:52:32,081
Speaker 5: No, And it was it was more I was thinking

1079
00:52:32,081 --> 00:52:34,681
Speaker 5: like a parry down and then it was like a

1080
00:52:34,721 --> 00:52:37,641
Speaker 5: forearm block coming up. But as I started practicing, I

1081
00:52:37,681 --> 00:52:39,041
Speaker 5: was like, bro, it looks like I'm doing kung through.

1082
00:52:39,481 --> 00:52:42,521
Speaker 5: So yeah, I reached out and I was like, I'll

1083
00:52:42,521 --> 00:52:45,681
Speaker 5: give it a go. And then and and the knowledge

1084
00:52:45,681 --> 00:52:47,201
Speaker 5: that I got from that was far more than what

1085
00:52:47,241 --> 00:52:51,601
Speaker 5: I was expecting, you know, just just on conditioning as

1086
00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:54,921
Speaker 5: a whole, and you know, it did did definitely help.

1087
00:52:54,961 --> 00:52:58,201
Speaker 5: And then I love being a student. I love learning.

1088
00:52:59,481 --> 00:53:02,841
Speaker 1: Truly. I think it's amazing. Everybody has something valuable to

1089
00:53:02,881 --> 00:53:04,801
Speaker 1: offer if you've got to listen.

1090
00:53:05,161 --> 00:53:06,921
Speaker 5: Man, even sparring like people like I don't want to

1091
00:53:06,921 --> 00:53:08,321
Speaker 5: spare him. I need hard spiking. I was like, bro,

1092
00:53:08,361 --> 00:53:10,921
Speaker 5: if you're good enough, you will figure out a way

1093
00:53:10,961 --> 00:53:12,761
Speaker 5: to make that sparring partner.

1094
00:53:12,601 --> 00:53:14,041
Speaker 1: Beneficial to you.

1095
00:53:14,041 --> 00:53:16,001
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like if you get okay,

1096
00:53:16,001 --> 00:53:18,161
Speaker 5: well I can work on this. This person's got a

1097
00:53:18,161 --> 00:53:20,601
Speaker 5: good that I can work on this. You can always

1098
00:53:20,681 --> 00:53:24,041
Speaker 5: find a way to learn from everyone. I love that,

1099
00:53:24,081 --> 00:53:27,121
Speaker 5: and that's that's why that head some suit.

1100
00:53:27,681 --> 00:53:31,041
Speaker 1: Some suit? Is that the art of what I was

1101
00:53:31,081 --> 00:53:33,241
Speaker 1: just about to say. Yeah, I've got on my back,

1102
00:53:33,961 --> 00:53:39,241
Speaker 1: my hold back on a dragon, get over all these

1103
00:53:39,641 --> 00:53:40,241
Speaker 1: bad You.

1104
00:53:40,321 --> 00:53:43,121
Speaker 5: Don't know a lot, but very power as far as

1105
00:53:43,201 --> 00:53:46,841
Speaker 5: I know, He's like the equivalent of like the Chinese god.

1106
00:53:46,601 --> 00:53:49,041
Speaker 1: Of all correct. He would sleep with one eye open,

1107
00:53:49,161 --> 00:53:49,321
Speaker 1: you know.

1108
00:53:51,041 --> 00:53:53,001
Speaker 4: But it turned out that I believe it was his

1109
00:53:53,001 --> 00:53:56,201
Speaker 4: own brother the beheaded him in the end. He's trusted,

1110
00:53:56,801 --> 00:54:01,001
Speaker 4: but he was, and you know he is too, especially

1111
00:54:01,001 --> 00:54:01,841
Speaker 4: the Chinese people.

1112
00:54:02,121 --> 00:54:04,761
Speaker 1: It's a very powerful, powerful word.

1113
00:54:05,041 --> 00:54:07,241
Speaker 5: Out of War was one of my favorite books, and

1114
00:54:07,281 --> 00:54:09,721
Speaker 5: I just that's just it. I love being a student,

1115
00:54:10,081 --> 00:54:12,561
Speaker 5: and I've probably read it like twenty five times.

1116
00:54:12,801 --> 00:54:14,681
Speaker 1: I haven't had any but I love the book.

1117
00:54:14,921 --> 00:54:18,281
Speaker 5: And I just try and just okay, well, how can

1118
00:54:18,321 --> 00:54:20,561
Speaker 5: I understand this in a different way? How can I

1119
00:54:20,601 --> 00:54:24,401
Speaker 5: make this translate to my band Apple fighting now where

1120
00:54:24,441 --> 00:54:26,921
Speaker 5: my body is the army and my head is the general.

1121
00:54:26,961 --> 00:54:30,521
Speaker 1: So away the food, take away the horses and watch

1122
00:54:30,601 --> 00:54:31,161
Speaker 1: them implode.

1123
00:54:31,321 --> 00:54:34,881
Speaker 5: What's that you know? That's that's taking away tools. Yeah,

1124
00:54:35,161 --> 00:54:37,361
Speaker 5: he's got a good job, right, I'll fucking circle this way.

1125
00:54:37,681 --> 00:54:39,801
Speaker 5: Take shit away from people, you know what I mean?

1126
00:54:40,441 --> 00:54:43,081
Speaker 5: And not only than that. If I take this tool

1127
00:54:43,121 --> 00:54:44,521
Speaker 5: away and I take that to all away, and I

1128
00:54:44,521 --> 00:54:46,801
Speaker 5: take that tool away, all you've got is one tool

1129
00:54:47,121 --> 00:54:50,321
Speaker 5: that's easy for me to fucking counter. So okay, you're sweet,

1130
00:54:50,361 --> 00:54:52,681
Speaker 5: you shoot that bang, there you go, you know, but

1131
00:54:52,761 --> 00:54:56,201
Speaker 5: you've planted that seed in their head just from just

1132
00:54:56,201 --> 00:54:59,081
Speaker 5: from taking other tools away. And yeah, well I think

1133
00:54:59,081 --> 00:55:00,441
Speaker 5: it's so funny when people are like, oh, you know,

1134
00:55:00,441 --> 00:55:02,561
Speaker 5: you ben knuckle boss, you just stand there on brall. No,

1135
00:55:02,681 --> 00:55:04,641
Speaker 5: I fucking don't chess.

1136
00:55:05,121 --> 00:55:06,921
Speaker 4: So people would say, you know, like I've had the

1137
00:55:06,961 --> 00:55:10,121
Speaker 4: conversation and he's people, Oh, you know boxing is this boxing? Yeah, okay,

1138
00:55:10,201 --> 00:55:11,761
Speaker 4: boxing is great, And as I said, I'm not a

1139
00:55:11,761 --> 00:55:12,921
Speaker 4: boxer's asshole.

1140
00:55:12,561 --> 00:55:15,881
Speaker 1: So you know, throw me in old spar with whoever whatever.

1141
00:55:16,001 --> 00:55:19,121
Speaker 1: But you know, my footwork's probably off, my shots are

1142
00:55:19,121 --> 00:55:22,761
Speaker 1: probably not coordinated as they should be, my stances different,

1143
00:55:23,641 --> 00:55:27,721
Speaker 1: but you know, it's the art of war, and to me,

1144
00:55:28,081 --> 00:55:30,521
Speaker 1: MUTOI is a game of chess. You know, people always

1145
00:55:30,561 --> 00:55:33,001
Speaker 1: about oh, you're not starts so slow, and you know,

1146
00:55:33,441 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I understand why it starts slow and builds up into

1147
00:55:37,441 --> 00:55:42,321
Speaker 1: the rounds. Understand the methodology that goes into every fighter

1148
00:55:42,481 --> 00:55:45,761
Speaker 1: that steps over those ropes the same as yourself. Like

1149
00:55:45,801 --> 00:55:48,561
Speaker 1: you just said, Dan, like may look to people that

1150
00:55:48,601 --> 00:55:52,521
Speaker 1: you just going there and just brawl and us bangers

1151
00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:55,361
Speaker 1: so much more my last fight something.

1152
00:55:56,681 --> 00:55:58,801
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's a world he was a super world

1153
00:55:58,841 --> 00:56:00,161
Speaker 5: Chairman of More Time w BC.

1154
00:56:00,881 --> 00:56:03,641
Speaker 7: I just say that, and I actually sat back and

1155
00:56:03,681 --> 00:56:06,681
Speaker 7: I thought, like I say, I was one thirty eight,

1156
00:56:06,761 --> 00:56:10,041
Speaker 7: one forty, and you know Wayne Parraby catching kicks over

1157
00:56:10,081 --> 00:56:12,281
Speaker 7: his head, and you know my Mark p is just

1158
00:56:12,441 --> 00:56:12,881
Speaker 7: the same.

1159
00:56:13,281 --> 00:56:15,281
Speaker 4: So I know what I was capable. I have no

1160
00:56:15,321 --> 00:56:17,121
Speaker 4: idea what I'm capable of it now. One O five,

1161
00:56:17,161 --> 00:56:20,121
Speaker 4: one o three. I've never ever been in that. I

1162
00:56:20,121 --> 00:56:22,761
Speaker 4: would like to get in that position. But then I

1163
00:56:22,761 --> 00:56:24,641
Speaker 4: think about on the other side of that was what

1164
00:56:24,681 --> 00:56:26,081
Speaker 4: I was cover And I look at the size of

1165
00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:28,841
Speaker 4: the man that you were fronting then you knocked out,

1166
00:56:29,441 --> 00:56:31,081
Speaker 4: and then I heard you speak of him as a

1167
00:56:31,121 --> 00:56:34,721
Speaker 4: world more Time thinking man, that God, he could have

1168
00:56:34,801 --> 00:56:38,161
Speaker 4: been really really lethal like with muy THI.

1169
00:56:38,161 --> 00:56:40,041
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he'd done late Way and stuff as well.

1170
00:56:40,041 --> 00:56:42,201
Speaker 5: You know, really yeah he was Yeah, bro, he's had

1171
00:56:42,161 --> 00:56:42,721
Speaker 5: one hundred I.

1172
00:56:42,721 --> 00:56:46,481
Speaker 1: Could fighting made twenty level. Had the head butt, like

1173
00:56:46,601 --> 00:56:47,361
Speaker 1: the tied rope.

1174
00:56:47,441 --> 00:56:50,641
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the fucking was it the nine limbs or something?

1175
00:56:50,681 --> 00:56:52,801
Speaker 5: They call it nine limbs use your head as well.

1176
00:56:52,921 --> 00:56:54,681
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Yeah it is because eight limbs is

1177
00:56:54,721 --> 00:56:58,081
Speaker 4: that's correct. Yeah, the head buddies of most are dangerous.

1178
00:56:58,241 --> 00:57:00,441
Speaker 5: Oh bro, But he's had over one hundred and twenty

1179
00:57:00,561 --> 00:57:01,761
Speaker 5: professional fights.

1180
00:57:01,961 --> 00:57:03,721
Speaker 1: No way american? Was he?

1181
00:57:03,801 --> 00:57:05,881
Speaker 5: You said it was a veteran. Yeah, American, but I'm

1182
00:57:05,881 --> 00:57:09,521
Speaker 5: pretty sure it lived in Thailand far out Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1183
00:57:09,561 --> 00:57:12,361
Speaker 5: like he you know, he was well versed. He was

1184
00:57:12,361 --> 00:57:16,281
Speaker 5: a well versed my opponent. But I took tools away. Yeah,

1185
00:57:16,441 --> 00:57:19,121
Speaker 5: my left hand because he's southward, My left hand touches

1186
00:57:19,361 --> 00:57:22,881
Speaker 5: his lead hand, which is the right hand, and every

1187
00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:25,521
Speaker 5: time I took that tool away, he throws straight left.

1188
00:57:26,681 --> 00:57:28,121
Speaker 5: So I just came up with the counter for it.

1189
00:57:28,161 --> 00:57:30,241
Speaker 1: Well, you didn't let he left himself right open and

1190
00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:34,881
Speaker 1: slept him rightfully. So how was that? I mean, you're

1191
00:57:34,881 --> 00:57:37,481
Speaker 1: talking now, you're in. You're gone from pretty zero to

1192
00:57:37,481 --> 00:57:40,081
Speaker 1: one hundred pretty quick. Let's yeah, lead around the bush.

1193
00:57:40,601 --> 00:57:43,041
Speaker 1: I mean, a new kid on that block, and everyone's expected.

1194
00:57:43,561 --> 00:57:45,521
Speaker 5: From an outside perspective, I can I can see that.

1195
00:57:45,561 --> 00:57:47,401
Speaker 5: But I've been doing the ship since I was ten.

1196
00:57:47,441 --> 00:57:50,761
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's a long time coming for me.

1197
00:57:50,841 --> 00:57:53,081
Speaker 5: You know, we always thought I was going to be

1198
00:57:53,121 --> 00:57:55,441
Speaker 5: champion of the world, you know, so it's it's it's

1199
00:57:55,521 --> 00:57:59,641
Speaker 5: good now to finally be in that position where that

1200
00:57:59,681 --> 00:58:02,241
Speaker 5: work that we've done, that that foundation we set when

1201
00:58:02,241 --> 00:58:05,281
Speaker 5: we're younger, when I was younger, it's sort of going

1202
00:58:05,321 --> 00:58:06,121
Speaker 5: to bear fruit now.

1203
00:58:06,441 --> 00:58:08,161
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something. I think that your

1204
00:58:08,201 --> 00:58:11,761
Speaker 1: opinion would be very valid. I'm looking at doing something

1205
00:58:11,801 --> 00:58:14,481
Speaker 1: down the track here on the scene when we talk

1206
00:58:14,521 --> 00:58:17,041
Speaker 1: about knuckle what we're seeing a lot at the moment,

1207
00:58:17,441 --> 00:58:22,841
Speaker 1: each state holding some sort of backyard swinging New Zealand's

1208
00:58:22,841 --> 00:58:24,881
Speaker 1: doing it. I know you've just been over there with

1209
00:58:24,961 --> 00:58:31,121
Speaker 1: Dan and my dear friend I'm cleaning. Fuck, he's a

1210
00:58:31,201 --> 00:58:33,121
Speaker 1: crack up shout out ro. I must love.

1211
00:58:33,641 --> 00:58:36,641
Speaker 4: I noticed that, you know, having people like yourself being

1212
00:58:36,681 --> 00:58:41,081
Speaker 4: around this is obviously going to gain traction and also

1213
00:58:41,201 --> 00:58:45,681
Speaker 4: to interest more. What are we trying to achieve because

1214
00:58:46,121 --> 00:58:49,001
Speaker 4: for me personally, no, no, we as.

1215
00:58:48,881 --> 00:58:49,801
Speaker 1: A collective i e.

1216
00:58:50,121 --> 00:58:52,121
Speaker 4: You know, the group of people that you know, because

1217
00:58:52,121 --> 00:58:54,441
Speaker 4: you've got a lot of people there with some big platforms,

1218
00:58:54,441 --> 00:59:00,001
Speaker 4: big names. What is it that this next phase is going.

1219
00:59:00,241 --> 00:59:04,041
Speaker 4: What is it trying to become? Because obviously you've got

1220
00:59:04,041 --> 00:59:06,921
Speaker 4: your pros and cons. You've got your people saying it's

1221
00:59:06,921 --> 00:59:09,041
Speaker 4: dirty sport, this and that. You know you can't do

1222
00:59:09,161 --> 00:59:12,921
Speaker 4: this one minute rounds whatever made people despise muy tie

1223
00:59:13,041 --> 00:59:14,401
Speaker 4: for centuries it was.

1224
00:59:14,401 --> 00:59:17,481
Speaker 1: The most dirtiest sport in the world. The next men,

1225
00:59:17,521 --> 00:59:20,441
Speaker 1: you've got one and all these other major players that

1226
00:59:20,481 --> 00:59:23,001
Speaker 1: have put it on the map, and the multi billions

1227
00:59:23,001 --> 00:59:27,241
Speaker 1: of dollars and fantastic for the fighter. Where are we

1228
00:59:27,321 --> 00:59:29,121
Speaker 1: going at the moment with what.

1229
00:59:29,081 --> 00:59:34,201
Speaker 5: You've got to look like the most influential tool in

1230
00:59:34,241 --> 00:59:37,401
Speaker 5: the world right now is media social media. When you

1231
00:59:37,441 --> 00:59:41,561
Speaker 5: have things like social media, everyone gets their hit or

1232
00:59:41,681 --> 00:59:47,401
Speaker 5: their dopamine dump or serotonin or whatever instantly. They don't

1233
00:59:47,401 --> 00:59:50,201
Speaker 5: sit through half an hour of a fucking boxing match

1234
00:59:50,281 --> 00:59:53,161
Speaker 5: before they see a knockout or come to a decision win.

1235
00:59:54,121 --> 00:59:58,401
Speaker 5: So that's why these these formats work so well. A

1236
00:59:58,441 --> 01:00:00,481
Speaker 5: minute of scrapping, they're just did scrapping. You get to

1237
01:00:00,481 --> 01:00:01,721
Speaker 5: see a knockout within a minute.

1238
01:00:02,361 --> 01:00:04,561
Speaker 1: I personally liked what I've seen within that minute.

1239
01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:08,721
Speaker 5: I was so you even look at power slap stupidest

1240
01:00:08,721 --> 01:00:11,561
Speaker 5: fule bug to me, stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen.

1241
01:00:12,321 --> 01:00:15,161
Speaker 5: But you get to see someone get knocked out straight away,

1242
01:00:15,761 --> 01:00:17,161
Speaker 5: so everyone wants to watch.

1243
01:00:17,921 --> 01:00:19,961
Speaker 1: I laugh because I watched I've seen something come up

1244
01:00:19,961 --> 01:00:22,801
Speaker 1: the other day when it was I could help myself.

1245
01:00:23,161 --> 01:00:25,281
Speaker 1: This guy is his hands behind his back gripping that

1246
01:00:25,721 --> 01:00:28,281
Speaker 1: little pole thing and he's just just just blightening down

1247
01:00:29,121 --> 01:00:32,521
Speaker 1: man the way that his opponent just line him up.

1248
01:00:32,521 --> 01:00:35,121
Speaker 1: And I'd actually seen some training the opponent had done.

1249
01:00:35,161 --> 01:00:41,721
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, he slapt this guy in his Is

1250
01:00:41,761 --> 01:00:46,961
Speaker 1: he going to get back up? Coming back from that?

1251
01:00:45,881 --> 01:00:50,161
Speaker 4: And that's like the split second of your life to

1252
01:00:50,241 --> 01:00:51,441
Speaker 4: try and be great at something.

1253
01:00:52,361 --> 01:00:55,281
Speaker 5: And it's a flipping a coin. Watch like, it's pretty

1254
01:00:55,321 --> 01:00:59,041
Speaker 5: much whoever he slaps first, the one who slaps first wins,

1255
01:00:59,041 --> 01:01:01,081
Speaker 5: and it's a flipp of a coin, you know. So,

1256
01:01:01,521 --> 01:01:03,961
Speaker 5: But that's why these these formats do so well, because

1257
01:01:04,361 --> 01:01:08,801
Speaker 5: the viewership now have grown up on just getting everything

1258
01:01:08,921 --> 01:01:11,801
Speaker 5: then and there. You've got Netflix. You know, when I

1259
01:01:11,841 --> 01:01:13,841
Speaker 5: was a kid, you used to have to wait till

1260
01:01:13,921 --> 01:01:15,521
Speaker 5: a Thursday to go and get a cheap deal down

1261
01:01:15,521 --> 01:01:18,801
Speaker 5: at Blockbuster to wats your favorite show that came out

1262
01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:22,721
Speaker 5: of the movies, like four months ago, and then you'd

1263
01:01:22,721 --> 01:01:23,961
Speaker 5: have to take it back two days later.

1264
01:01:24,081 --> 01:01:25,641
Speaker 1: Correct, otherwise you get forward.

1265
01:01:25,481 --> 01:01:28,601
Speaker 5: Yeah, or you'd be watching movies on TV where you'd

1266
01:01:28,601 --> 01:01:31,881
Speaker 5: have to sit through the ads, wait until Saturday night,

1267
01:01:31,921 --> 01:01:34,201
Speaker 5: Friday night for the movie to come on, sit through

1268
01:01:34,241 --> 01:01:36,001
Speaker 5: the ads, you know. Like they don't have to do

1269
01:01:36,041 --> 01:01:38,441
Speaker 5: that anymore. They want what they want to see right now.

1270
01:01:38,961 --> 01:01:42,081
Speaker 5: And that's why these formats and these fights are starting

1271
01:01:42,081 --> 01:01:42,721
Speaker 5: to do so well.

1272
01:01:43,481 --> 01:01:45,281
Speaker 4: Well, I like it, and I'm going to I'm going

1273
01:01:45,361 --> 01:01:47,521
Speaker 4: to pursue it here on this platform and support it.

1274
01:01:47,801 --> 01:01:48,321
Speaker 1: I really am.

1275
01:01:48,441 --> 01:01:50,401
Speaker 4: And I've reached out to a couple of people. I

1276
01:01:50,441 --> 01:01:52,281
Speaker 4: won't going to names and everything at the moment, they

1277
01:01:52,321 --> 01:01:55,521
Speaker 4: know who they are, and I'm all for it, I

1278
01:01:55,561 --> 01:01:58,641
Speaker 4: really am. I'd like to see I think that Dean's

1279
01:01:58,641 --> 01:02:00,681
Speaker 4: got it pretty sweet over there, and then zed the

1280
01:02:00,681 --> 01:02:01,921
Speaker 4: way you get that format.

1281
01:02:01,681 --> 01:02:05,161
Speaker 1: I mean the women, the mop wowses. I think we

1282
01:02:05,161 --> 01:02:06,321
Speaker 1: could tweak it a little bit here.

1283
01:02:06,321 --> 01:02:09,001
Speaker 4: There's a few different versions I'm seeing here, there, and everywhere,

1284
01:02:09,041 --> 01:02:11,081
Speaker 4: depending on what state you're in, and you know how

1285
01:02:11,121 --> 01:02:11,841
Speaker 4: who's running it.

1286
01:02:11,881 --> 01:02:13,921
Speaker 5: We've got a sanctioned one coming out.

1287
01:02:14,121 --> 01:02:16,761
Speaker 1: What's the go with there? Because did not wa just

1288
01:02:16,801 --> 01:02:19,401
Speaker 1: shut it all down as well, like when it comes

1289
01:02:19,441 --> 01:02:22,401
Speaker 1: to knuckle in Australia. So how do we then sanctions.

1290
01:02:22,401 --> 01:02:26,321
Speaker 5: There's a new promotion coming out called IBC International Brawling

1291
01:02:26,401 --> 01:02:31,881
Speaker 5: Championship yep okay. Essentially they had to go through the

1292
01:02:31,921 --> 01:02:35,521
Speaker 5: whole process of making their own sanctioning body under a

1293
01:02:35,641 --> 01:02:37,801
Speaker 5: hybrid boxing ruleset.

1294
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's a master stroke one for this

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Speaker 5: to make the sanctioned, but two that's a foot in

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01:02:46,721 --> 01:02:50,401
Speaker 5: the door for Bena. Hybrid boxing doesn't have to come

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Speaker 5: under a sanctioning body of moy Thai or kickboxing.

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Speaker 1: So I like.

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Speaker 4: It, is it like going back into the MMA style? Originally,

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01:02:57,361 --> 01:03:01,001
Speaker 4: like you know, like MMA was never truly an accepted

1302
01:03:01,201 --> 01:03:04,601
Speaker 4: name as such. It was you know, shoot boxing or

1303
01:03:05,241 --> 01:03:10,201
Speaker 4: jiu jitsu or morny Thai style or boxing, kickboxing, K one,

1304
01:03:10,241 --> 01:03:11,801
Speaker 4: whatever you want to go. We could go back and

1305
01:03:11,801 --> 01:03:14,161
Speaker 4: talk about for hours, but the reality of it was

1306
01:03:14,201 --> 01:03:17,721
Speaker 4: there was no true one sanctioned event. Then all of

1307
01:03:17,761 --> 01:03:21,521
Speaker 4: a sudden, obviously we come under the MMA Mixed Martial Arts.

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Speaker 1: Is this very similar in that respect?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I guess so. Yeah, So, and this sanctioning now

1310
01:03:28,561 --> 01:03:34,201
Speaker 5: allows for essentially boxing in MMA clubs, you know, so

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01:03:34,721 --> 01:03:36,441
Speaker 5: I'm very excited for the prospect of it. I'm pretty

1312
01:03:36,441 --> 01:03:38,281
Speaker 5: sure they've got their first event on the twenty eighth

1313
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Speaker 5: of August next month.

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Speaker 1: Is there one a dream worde.

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Speaker 5: No, No, it's not a dream world it's back out

1316
01:03:48,961 --> 01:03:51,161
Speaker 5: from chazzs spectacular.

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Speaker 1: Oh really yehipro Yeah, in the middle of the arena,

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01:03:54,161 --> 01:03:55,241
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, we're.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do it and cage it up that

1320
01:03:57,321 --> 01:03:59,641
Speaker 4: way like keep it ruled sort of what's the word

1321
01:04:00,161 --> 01:04:00,961
Speaker 4: Roman style.

1322
01:04:01,201 --> 01:04:02,881
Speaker 5: That's the style that they wanted to make a little

1323
01:04:02,881 --> 01:04:06,241
Speaker 5: bit grungey. They've got They've got their own painted a

1324
01:04:06,361 --> 01:04:09,721
Speaker 5: ring which is a square ring, but it's caged.

1325
01:04:10,241 --> 01:04:12,241
Speaker 1: Okay, so a cage squaring.

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01:04:12,521 --> 01:04:15,601
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool man, Like I've had a

1327
01:04:15,681 --> 01:04:17,681
Speaker 5: chat with the dude put it on. It's a pretty

1328
01:04:17,721 --> 01:04:21,161
Speaker 5: cool concept. But actually a really cool concept. I think

1329
01:04:21,161 --> 01:04:22,001
Speaker 5: it's going to blow up.

1330
01:04:22,081 --> 01:04:24,201
Speaker 1: I never fought in octagon. I only ever fought in

1331
01:04:24,201 --> 01:04:24,761
Speaker 1: a square ring.

1332
01:04:24,801 --> 01:04:27,401
Speaker 4: But obviously I trained back when I was at Boonshu

1333
01:04:27,641 --> 01:04:29,721
Speaker 4: for many many years with the wonderful John Wayne Park.

1334
01:04:30,481 --> 01:04:33,481
Speaker 4: You know, he had the CMT ring in there, so

1335
01:04:33,521 --> 01:04:35,921
Speaker 4: we would train in it, and I always loved be

1336
01:04:36,001 --> 01:04:39,761
Speaker 4: able to move around in that, and I just I think.

1337
01:04:39,601 --> 01:04:43,641
Speaker 1: Now, cage square. Wow, I don't know how my headed

1338
01:04:43,721 --> 01:04:44,041
Speaker 1: going that.

1339
01:04:44,281 --> 01:04:46,081
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've actually done some sparring in it.

1340
01:04:46,241 --> 01:04:47,441
Speaker 1: How do you feel in it?

1341
01:04:47,441 --> 01:04:51,001
Speaker 5: It's fine. It seems a lot smaller than because it's

1342
01:04:51,001 --> 01:04:54,361
Speaker 5: so closed off. It seems smaller than five boxed in

1343
01:04:55,161 --> 01:04:57,641
Speaker 5: and ropes have a bit more given it.

1344
01:04:58,441 --> 01:05:02,161
Speaker 4: That's so the cage sits on the outer of the

1345
01:05:02,241 --> 01:05:03,841
Speaker 4: ropes obviously es.

1346
01:05:05,241 --> 01:05:12,521
Speaker 1: So it's it's okay, it's right, okay, okay, Yeah, that's.

1347
01:05:11,361 --> 01:05:13,561
Speaker 4: How we're taking the ropes off. The posts are there,

1348
01:05:13,641 --> 01:05:15,201
Speaker 4: the cage is the cage.

1349
01:05:15,881 --> 01:05:19,441
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually a really cool concept. They've actually got

1350
01:05:19,441 --> 01:05:22,721
Speaker 5: some really cool concepts just to make combat sports a

1351
01:05:22,761 --> 01:05:26,921
Speaker 5: bit more exciting again because unfortunately it's not selling tickets

1352
01:05:26,921 --> 01:05:29,001
Speaker 5: anymore here in Australia, you know what I mean, Like

1353
01:05:29,201 --> 01:05:32,001
Speaker 5: it's just not a lot of them are trying to

1354
01:05:33,281 --> 01:05:35,401
Speaker 5: come up with these these gimmicks just in the press

1355
01:05:35,441 --> 01:05:38,321
Speaker 5: conference or at the weigh ins, just just to try

1356
01:05:38,361 --> 01:05:39,841
Speaker 5: and sell tickets. But it's just not.

1357
01:05:40,081 --> 01:05:42,001
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you quickly on that, and

1358
01:05:42,041 --> 01:05:46,121
Speaker 4: it's valid again, I think because you live it. I personally,

1359
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:48,961
Speaker 4: I've really stopped paying a lot of tender.

1360
01:05:49,241 --> 01:05:52,601
Speaker 1: I've done it. Don't watch Waynes anymore unless I genuinely

1361
01:05:52,921 --> 01:05:54,881
Speaker 1: like I took interest in yours because I wanted to

1362
01:05:54,881 --> 01:05:57,121
Speaker 1: see your journey, you know, and I watched the way

1363
01:05:57,161 --> 01:06:00,401
Speaker 1: you presented yourself in front of the boss Connor McGregor

1364
01:06:00,441 --> 01:06:03,401
Speaker 1: and all those other investors and people around you, and

1365
01:06:03,441 --> 01:06:05,041
Speaker 1: then held yourself very professionally.

1366
01:06:05,441 --> 01:06:08,241
Speaker 4: But then I won't name names. And you see people

1367
01:06:08,401 --> 01:06:12,801
Speaker 4: like I'm trying to pull a boxing match over in

1368
01:06:12,841 --> 01:06:14,961
Speaker 4: England and they're in there arguing with you know, someone

1369
01:06:15,001 --> 01:06:18,841
Speaker 4: that he throws a water bottle in his face so like,

1370
01:06:19,081 --> 01:06:21,001
Speaker 4: or they're in a press Compton next minute they're swinging,

1371
01:06:21,161 --> 01:06:25,161
Speaker 4: like when did that ever become? Well the professional or

1372
01:06:25,281 --> 01:06:27,601
Speaker 4: you know, like fuck the hype, Like really, we've got

1373
01:06:27,601 --> 01:06:28,161
Speaker 4: to draw a line.

1374
01:06:28,281 --> 01:06:31,201
Speaker 5: It's business, that's all it is that And that's that's

1375
01:06:31,201 --> 01:06:33,761
Speaker 5: what I said at the start. My image is loud.

1376
01:06:34,521 --> 01:06:36,681
Speaker 5: I don't have to be loud like that. But that's

1377
01:06:36,721 --> 01:06:42,001
Speaker 5: the way that it's going now because people aren't right now,

1378
01:06:42,641 --> 01:06:45,001
Speaker 5: you look at the people that we're willing to sit

1379
01:06:45,041 --> 01:06:49,361
Speaker 5: through thirty six minutes or forty minutes of a boxing match.

1380
01:06:49,401 --> 01:06:52,681
Speaker 5: The fifteen the fifteen rounds or the twelve rounds and

1381
01:06:52,921 --> 01:06:56,321
Speaker 5: enjoy the science of it and the beauty of it,

1382
01:06:56,401 --> 01:07:00,081
Speaker 5: and and the and the poetry of it. That they're

1383
01:07:00,121 --> 01:07:04,081
Speaker 5: almost gone. It's sad, Yeah, it is so I love boxing,

1384
01:07:04,561 --> 01:07:08,601
Speaker 5: but you know, like the viewership now is going to

1385
01:07:08,601 --> 01:07:11,521
Speaker 5: be those ones that have the drama, and that's why

1386
01:07:11,521 --> 01:07:13,921
Speaker 5: they're doing it. That's why they're doing this stuff because

1387
01:07:13,961 --> 01:07:16,121
Speaker 5: people aren't willing to sit through it unless they think

1388
01:07:16,121 --> 01:07:17,441
Speaker 5: it's a legitimate grud match.

1389
01:07:17,481 --> 01:07:21,801
Speaker 4: And I think it makes it hard to haze for

1390
01:07:21,921 --> 01:07:26,041
Speaker 4: that hard working fighter that is humbled, doesn't like the

1391
01:07:26,121 --> 01:07:28,601
Speaker 4: loudness because there is a lot of fighters out there

1392
01:07:28,641 --> 01:07:32,361
Speaker 4: that are very very very beautiful within male and female,

1393
01:07:32,401 --> 01:07:35,001
Speaker 4: wouldn't raise their voice unless needed, you know, like that

1394
01:07:35,081 --> 01:07:38,441
Speaker 4: whole sort of in your face, fuck you, fuck you.

1395
01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:42,201
Speaker 1: Like I get it, I understand it.

1396
01:07:42,241 --> 01:07:47,321
Speaker 4: But will that take away some true contenders, Yes, that

1397
01:07:47,441 --> 01:07:50,121
Speaker 4: aren't confident to get into that space because that's not

1398
01:07:50,161 --> 01:07:51,961
Speaker 4: who they are and they just don't want to be

1399
01:07:52,081 --> 01:07:58,601
Speaker 4: that style of person. But absolute weapons and it's a

1400
01:07:58,601 --> 01:08:00,041
Speaker 4: win lose sort of situation.

1401
01:08:00,161 --> 01:08:04,121
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I mean it's a business and combat Spot

1402
01:08:04,161 --> 01:08:06,521
Speaker 5: is more business now than has ever been so if

1403
01:08:06,521 --> 01:08:09,481
Speaker 5: you don't sell tickets, you don't get the job.

1404
01:08:09,881 --> 01:08:14,801
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of business and the boss, you've you've met him,

1405
01:08:15,521 --> 01:08:19,561
Speaker 4: mister Connor McGregor state the obviously everyone knows at touch

1406
01:08:19,601 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 4: on it.

1407
01:08:21,241 --> 01:08:23,441
Speaker 1: What was it like? Well, I mean very cool.

1408
01:08:23,881 --> 01:08:27,521
Speaker 4: I mean obviously I expect very probably to just say

1409
01:08:27,521 --> 01:08:31,081
Speaker 4: he's a cool guy and leave, But I also know

1410
01:08:31,121 --> 01:08:32,721
Speaker 4: that you're a no bullshit kind of guy as well.

1411
01:08:32,881 --> 01:08:34,041
Speaker 1: So how was it?

1412
01:08:35,201 --> 01:08:38,361
Speaker 5: He was super respectful to me, super super respectful. And

1413
01:08:38,361 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: I presented him with them from from from our culture,

1414
01:08:42,281 --> 01:08:47,961
Speaker 5: the cocker who in the Irish colors. He was very respectful.

1415
01:08:50,001 --> 01:08:51,801
Speaker 5: And then just having a chat with him at a

1416
01:08:51,881 --> 01:08:54,721
Speaker 5: dinner afterwards. You know, it was a lot better when

1417
01:08:54,761 --> 01:09:00,641
Speaker 5: you're in the nightclub scene. It's the nightclub, it's just

1418
01:09:01,001 --> 01:09:02,881
Speaker 5: it is is what it is.

1419
01:09:03,281 --> 01:09:04,601
Speaker 1: The other personality comes.

1420
01:09:04,721 --> 01:09:08,121
Speaker 5: That's so I didn't We didn't really talk much while

1421
01:09:08,121 --> 01:09:10,001
Speaker 5: we're while we're out doing that, I said, hey, hey,

1422
01:09:10,081 --> 01:09:12,041
Speaker 5: doing both, pleasure to meet, YadA YadA, YadA or this

1423
01:09:12,121 --> 01:09:14,561
Speaker 5: and that. Look I've got something for you, and that

1424
01:09:14,721 --> 01:09:17,481
Speaker 5: was it. We spoke a bit more at the dinner.

1425
01:09:17,921 --> 01:09:21,121
Speaker 1: So was that a natural meeting with you coming into

1426
01:09:21,161 --> 01:09:24,161
Speaker 1: that space and that company or was it something that

1427
01:09:25,361 --> 01:09:30,001
Speaker 1: you knew that he was somewhere through working connection and

1428
01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:30,801
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you.

1429
01:09:31,001 --> 01:09:34,681
Speaker 5: I was, yeah, I was about to have Well, we

1430
01:09:34,721 --> 01:09:37,321
Speaker 5: knew that I was going to the b KFC, So

1431
01:09:37,361 --> 01:09:39,281
Speaker 5: this was before we announced any sort of.

1432
01:09:39,241 --> 01:09:41,481
Speaker 1: Contract, because you weren't fighting at this stage on there.

1433
01:09:41,481 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 5: Well, no, no, I thought I just finished fighting on

1434
01:09:44,721 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 5: on Bad to the Bone in the UK, and obviously

1435
01:09:48,161 --> 01:09:51,561
Speaker 5: we were heading towards that direction. So I thought, man,

1436
01:09:51,561 --> 01:09:53,241
Speaker 5: it would be a good position, good spot for me

1437
01:09:53,281 --> 01:09:56,441
Speaker 5: to to get in there and try and see that

1438
01:09:57,281 --> 01:10:01,281
Speaker 5: meet obviously David Feldman and Connor McGregor. It was actually

1439
01:10:02,201 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 5: Gabrielle Rapisarda's idea. So he helps manage my BKFC stuff.

1440
01:10:06,841 --> 01:10:10,321
Speaker 5: He's the owner of BKFC Italy and Spain, and this

1441
01:10:10,441 --> 01:10:13,281
Speaker 5: was in Spain, and he's just like, we really want

1442
01:10:13,281 --> 01:10:17,201
Speaker 5: to get you on the BKFC, so let's try and

1443
01:10:18,161 --> 01:10:20,081
Speaker 5: get you in front of these people so they can

1444
01:10:20,121 --> 01:10:23,441
Speaker 5: see so they can see what I can see. Yeah,

1445
01:10:23,481 --> 01:10:28,961
Speaker 5: you know, from a from a marketable standpoint, and yeah,

1446
01:10:29,001 --> 01:10:31,441
Speaker 5: so that's what he did, and he brought me over there,

1447
01:10:31,481 --> 01:10:34,201
Speaker 5: and yeah, rest rest was history. Bro.

1448
01:10:34,561 --> 01:10:35,481
Speaker 1: Well it is history.

1449
01:10:35,521 --> 01:10:38,161
Speaker 4: And look, you know, I mean, I'm grateful that you've

1450
01:10:38,281 --> 01:10:39,961
Speaker 4: been able to come in today because I know you're

1451
01:10:40,001 --> 01:10:42,081
Speaker 4: a busy man. So I'm going to start to wheeling

1452
01:10:42,161 --> 01:10:46,121
Speaker 4: on in and be very grateful to you and both

1453
01:10:46,121 --> 01:10:48,161
Speaker 4: of you actually for being here, because we all have

1454
01:10:48,201 --> 01:10:49,521
Speaker 4: lives outside of podcasting.

1455
01:10:50,601 --> 01:10:52,281
Speaker 5: Pick up my daughter actually from Yeah, I've.

1456
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,841
Speaker 1: Got to do the same. I'm going down to Palm Beach.

1457
01:10:53,921 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 4: So we both got the end one to contend with Andy,

1458
01:10:56,881 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 4: We're going to do it.

1459
01:10:57,801 --> 01:11:00,441
Speaker 1: Look, before we do go in close up.

1460
01:11:00,481 --> 01:11:03,681
Speaker 4: Firstly, I just want to say where, And I know

1461
01:11:03,841 --> 01:11:06,561
Speaker 4: it's probably going to be an obvious answer, but where

1462
01:11:06,561 --> 01:11:09,201
Speaker 4: does Hayes the Huntsman see himself in twelve months time?

1463
01:11:09,281 --> 01:11:14,361
Speaker 1: Firstly, in life? Where are you? Where are you? Where

1464
01:11:14,401 --> 01:11:16,561
Speaker 1: are you? Twelve month's time? Happy?

1465
01:11:16,681 --> 01:11:18,841
Speaker 5: My mum will be retired. I retire my mom in

1466
01:11:18,881 --> 01:11:21,601
Speaker 5: that time. Within twelve months from now, I will be

1467
01:11:21,641 --> 01:11:24,441
Speaker 5: the world cham There'll be the heavyweight world Champion man BKFC,

1468
01:11:25,201 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 5: possibly two division. I also GetUp to super heavyweight and happier, freer,

1469
01:11:32,921 --> 01:11:34,681
Speaker 5: just just live and living the life that we want to.

1470
01:11:34,761 --> 01:11:37,081
Speaker 4: I love the connection and for those that I can't

1471
01:11:37,081 --> 01:11:39,881
Speaker 4: see this there's a beautiful eye connections happening the whole time,

1472
01:11:39,921 --> 01:11:42,761
Speaker 4: and I know I pick up on it, but there's

1473
01:11:42,761 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 4: a lot of heart, a lot of heart felt between

1474
01:11:46,321 --> 01:11:48,281
Speaker 4: both of you, and I just want to acknowledge that

1475
01:11:48,361 --> 01:11:50,521
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful thing and I feel privileged to be.

1476
01:11:51,841 --> 01:11:52,521
Speaker 1: In the presence.

1477
01:11:53,201 --> 01:11:57,721
Speaker 4: Last, but not least, always ask my guests for our toolbox.

1478
01:11:58,841 --> 01:12:02,001
Speaker 4: You're a man, You're on a mission, and it's not

1479
01:12:02,161 --> 01:12:05,441
Speaker 4: easy for those out there chasing their drink. Give us

1480
01:12:05,481 --> 01:12:10,961
Speaker 4: two two solid tools that you truly believe that would

1481
01:12:10,961 --> 01:12:14,241
Speaker 4: inspire or help somebody who has a dream that just

1482
01:12:14,281 --> 01:12:17,361
Speaker 4: doesn't have that confidence to pursue. Like, if you hadn't

1483
01:12:17,361 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 4: have been so persistent, had that drive within you, especially

1484
01:12:21,201 --> 01:12:24,161
Speaker 4: you as a family man and as a team, you

1485
01:12:24,161 --> 01:12:25,641
Speaker 4: wouldn't probably be where you are.

1486
01:12:26,481 --> 01:12:28,521
Speaker 1: So what would you say to ot.

1487
01:12:28,401 --> 01:12:32,601
Speaker 5: There, Well, yeah, like what you said, it hasn't been easy.

1488
01:12:32,961 --> 01:12:36,641
Speaker 5: Don't expect it to be easy. It's a tough tightrope

1489
01:12:36,681 --> 01:12:40,601
Speaker 5: to tiptoe on. But if it's not easy, you're probably

1490
01:12:40,641 --> 01:12:43,001
Speaker 5: going in the right direction, provided you've got the right

1491
01:12:43,081 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 5: mental state and the right people around you. And secondly,

1492
01:12:46,841 --> 01:12:49,001
Speaker 5: you've got to find your purpose has to be a

1493
01:12:49,041 --> 01:12:52,361
Speaker 5: purpose you know you can have. You can be passionate

1494
01:12:52,361 --> 01:12:55,441
Speaker 5: about things, but if it's not your purpose, it won't

1495
01:12:55,481 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 5: wake you up. Every Moore, Passion can be quite feeble.

1496
01:12:59,081 --> 01:13:04,801
Speaker 5: I I say passion is a lot like motivation. When

1497
01:13:04,841 --> 01:13:08,441
Speaker 5: it's there, it's great, it's really powerful. But more often

1498
01:13:08,481 --> 01:13:09,641
Speaker 5: than not, it's not going to be there. And that's

1499
01:13:09,681 --> 01:13:12,961
Speaker 5: when discipline or purpose come in. So just find find

1500
01:13:13,001 --> 01:13:15,881
Speaker 5: a purpose and just just go go all in on it.

1501
01:13:16,241 --> 01:13:19,041
Speaker 5: Roll the dice man, Hey's the Huntsman. You are an

1502
01:13:19,121 --> 01:13:22,881
Speaker 5: absolute legend. I am honored, I'm grateful, and you will

1503
01:13:22,921 --> 01:13:25,481
Speaker 5: be a world champion. And I've had this magic moment

1504
01:13:25,521 --> 01:13:27,641
Speaker 5: with you. I'll forever be able to hang onto this

1505
01:13:27,681 --> 01:13:29,401
Speaker 5: and say that world champion.

1506
01:13:29,481 --> 01:13:31,721
Speaker 4: I sat down and we had the best time just

1507
01:13:31,841 --> 01:13:32,961
Speaker 4: talking about life.

1508
01:13:33,161 --> 01:13:33,521
Speaker 1: Guys.

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01:13:33,881 --> 01:13:36,881
Speaker 4: Thank you everybody who tunes in and continues to download.

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01:13:37,201 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 4: Remember Clinking Copparel, Sideway surf stores on all the East

1511
01:13:40,721 --> 01:13:42,481
Speaker 4: coast of austral getting there and support it.

1512
01:13:42,481 --> 01:13:44,041
Speaker 1: It helps to keep the Clink going.

1513
01:13:44,321 --> 01:13:46,121
Speaker 4: And if there's any major sponsors out there that are

1514
01:13:46,161 --> 01:13:48,161
Speaker 4: keen to have your name next to us, get in

1515
01:13:48,161 --> 01:13:51,241
Speaker 4: contact with us. From me to you, guys, be the

1516
01:13:51,241 --> 01:13:53,881
Speaker 4: best you can be Hayes, thank you, thank you very much.

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01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: Pot a record. I'm done, try and make you out comfortable.

1518
01:13:58,961 --> 01:14:02,121
Speaker 2: Photo record you in trying world and stuff for your dad,

1519
01:14:02,241 --> 01:14:05,601
Speaker 2: photo record lab on me going hard away, Wait for

1520
01:14:05,721 --> 01:14:07,761
Speaker 2: the record, ain't trying to lake, No trying to wait

1521
01:14:07,841 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: to stop calling.

1522
01:14:08,881 --> 01:14:13,841
Speaker 3: For the record, for the record. Yeah for the for

1523
01:14:13,961 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 3: the record, Yeah for the right, Yeah for the record,

1524
01:14:18,641 --> 01:14:19,321
Speaker 3: for the record.

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Speaker 1: H m hmmmmmm hmm