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Speaker 1: Does the Premier. Peter Melanowskas is here in the studio.

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Speaker 1: The phone lines are open as well if you want

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Speaker 1: to put anything to the Premiere. He's very happy to

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Speaker 1: hear from you this morning. Lots to have a chat

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Speaker 1: about Premier. Good morning, thanks for coming in. Let's begin

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Speaker 1: with the terror threat raised to probable from possible. What

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Speaker 1: does this mean for South Australia.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're getting advice on that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think in the first instance, it sort

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Speaker 3: of speaks to the necessity to remain vigilant during what

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Speaker 3: our geopolitically challenging times and where we see a greater

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Speaker 3: degree of risk. According to AZIO, which directly informs the

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Speaker 3: work that SAPAUL undertakes here in South Australia. Is that

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Speaker 3: obviously the principal agency responsible for security arrangements. Later in

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Speaker 3: the week, we've got an Emergency Management Committee, which is

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Speaker 3: the committee of a cabinet that governs an emergency management

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Speaker 3: in our state. And just yesterday, on the back of

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Speaker 3: this news, we've asked for the Police Commission to come

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Speaker 3: and provide an update about any activities that they'll be

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Speaker 3: pursuing as.

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Speaker 2: A result of this.

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Speaker 3: I think the remarks from Mike Burgess responsible for as

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Speaker 3: I think have been rather balanced and measured and just

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Speaker 3: speak to the fact that we can't be naive around

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Speaker 3: there being a presence within the Australian community of people

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Speaker 3: who are becoming radicalized, and I think it invites a

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Speaker 3: bit of a thought around how political leaders across the

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Speaker 3: country and other community leaders, where they be in the media.

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Speaker 2: Or otherwise seek to talk to other people.

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Speaker 3: Radicalization can occur when people exist in their silos without

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Speaker 2: Never thought that was a good way of going about things.

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Speaker 3: And I think we should be rather diligent each and

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Speaker 3: every one of us about how we talk to one

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Speaker 3: another and we respect one another, because in the absence

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Speaker 3: of that, that's when we start to see radicalization grow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, will we see anything different? More police on the beat,

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Speaker 1: for instance, is that likely to be a factor here?

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Speaker 3: I think what is big crowd SAPA will be engaging

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Speaker 3: I think you will see they undertake is in an

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Speaker 3: increasing effort around intelligence operations. I think intelligence is essential

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Speaker 3: because having more police on the beat is always an

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Speaker 3: important part of their duties. But when it comes to radicalization,

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Speaker 3: it occurs in dark, quiet places that aren't necessarily visible

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Speaker 3: until something might tragically go wrong. So those are the

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Speaker 3: sorts of efforts that I have no doubt South the

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Speaker 3: Sham Police are undertaking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, public servants coming back to work. I see today

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Speaker 1: the new South Wales Premier resort at all public servants

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Speaker 1: after COVID of course work from home, but now come

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Speaker 3: We've largely done that back in twenty twenty two, not

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Speaker 3: back to their place of work. Now that doesn't say,

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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that an individual you know, who might

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Speaker 2: Particularly with picking.

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Speaker 3: Up children and so forth, can't negotiate with their boss

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Speaker 3: those types of flexible arrangements. That that's still appropriate under

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Speaker 2: But the default.

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Speaker 3: Position's got to be you're coming into work, and we've

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Speaker 3: had that arrangement some time, and I think what Premium

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Speaker 3: Sydney Adelaide has probably been the city that got back

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Speaker 2: That's taken a far.

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Speaker 1: That's the commute though, isn't it Because people love it,

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Speaker 2: That is definitely available.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, working from home represents a material

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Speaker 1: Okay, got to talk about ramping. The elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: I think five five hundred and thirty nine hours you

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Speaker 1: KPI was the posters everywhere labor will fix ramping or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we put a couple of capis out there

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Speaker 3: That's dramatically improved. What hasn't is ramping and of course

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Speaker 3: would only improve response times even more than they already have.

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Speaker 3: But if you call triple zero today, Matthew, you are

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Speaker 2: As a result of the.

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Speaker 3: Investment we've made and effort we've put in, ramping remains

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Speaker 3: a major challenge, and there's a range of things that

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Speaker 3: me say this before, but we've got over one hundred

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Speaker 3: wish that could be built yesterday. But simultaneously, though, what

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing is a lot of people in hospital today.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the number of people in hospital today who

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Speaker 1: Right And that's where it comes to the federal government.

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Speaker 1: Are you talking to them? I know, Chris Pickton, but

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Speaker 2: I think there's another meeting today. But yes, we are.

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Speaker 3: You know, we are seeking to elevate this issue in

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Speaker 3: it really is crazy that we've got the most expensive

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Speaker 3: But that person with dementia doesn't doesn't need to be

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more to that. And again i'm the

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Speaker 1: federal government. The issue with bulk billing and medicare and

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Speaker 3: It is an exceptionally frustrating problem. We've had this issue

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Speaker 3: the freight trainers now at the station, Matthew, and what

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Speaker 3: throwing the kitchen sink at it. You said, stop spending money,

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Speaker 2: The problem is that we're trying to play catch up.

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Speaker 3: that's what we're seeking to do. Because our program of

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Speaker 3: We've got big new bills on the way. It just

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Speaker 1: Daryl is on the phone from Ascott Park. Darryl, good morning, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Good morning. How are you morning, Daryl? Yep, good morning.

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Speaker 4: I've got a couple of questions, actually a few things

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Speaker 4: to ask you the question, how much did they're all

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Speaker 2: From memory it was two points.

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Speaker 3: in excess of two billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Okay, allowing for inflation, allowing for the cost of everything

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Speaker 4: results from for the ramping. Could you not have made

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Speaker 4: massive improvements and extended the nor Longer Hospital which is

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Speaker 5: To Victor Harbor. Why could you not have put It's

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Speaker 5: spent at least one billion dollars of your seven on

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Speaker 5: making that a bigger hospital and built a specialized area

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Speaker 5: for the If you're like what's been called these days

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Speaker 4: Help a proper place for them to go so they're separate, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So these are good questions, Darryl. So I'll deal with

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Speaker 2: it in two parts.

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Speaker 3: In terms of No Longer, we are spending money on

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Speaker 1: But that's not helping ramping, is it.

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Speaker 1: But the theory of mental health if we focus on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think what we're seeing is a

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Speaker 2: Have to do.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Liz, that's good. I don't know what you're going

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Speaker 3: That the new RA is well, I think it's over

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm in furious agreeing with you about Hence our

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Speaker 2: So but you know, health is the big perennial challenge,

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Speaker 1: One last one on hilth we want to move on

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Premier. And of just a quick question. There's

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Speaker 2: Well, there has been a you're right, Malcolm.

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Speaker 3: Look, I can't give you a yes or no right

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Speaker 3: super solution on this one, someone had done it already.

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Speaker 3: The former government didn't, and not because I'm suggesting a

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Speaker 3: disinteresting issue just because it is a challenge about where

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Speaker 3: you would build it and how does it actually deliver

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Speaker 3: a more a high quality health service across the Barossa Valley,

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Speaker 3: which of course is spread out. Can I just come

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Speaker 3: back to something that Darryl asked earlier about no longer?

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Speaker 2: I've just been able to find my note here.

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Speaker 3: So at no longer we are increasing bed numbers by

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Speaker 3: fifty percent. So we're going from ninety two beds to

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Speaker 3: one hundred and forty beds at no longer and constructions

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Speaker 3: already underwe So I just I didn't have those numbers

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Speaker 3: on the top of my head before. But just for

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Speaker 3: Daryl's interest in terms of that no longer capacity.

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Speaker 1: Question, Okay, I want to ask you about green hydro

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Speaker 1: quickly before we run out of time. Fourdeskew have pulled

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Speaker 1: back on producing green hydrogen. They can't make it cheaply enough.

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Speaker 1: Are we exposed here in South Australia that the table

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Speaker 1: player risk.

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Speaker 3: What Twiggy was doing there was looking at the option

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Speaker 3: of exporting hydrogen green hydrogen globally.

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Speaker 2: That's not what we're looking at.

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Speaker 3: We've always acknowledged that as a long term possibility as does.

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Speaker 1: But he's not talking about exporting. He's saying you can't

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Speaker 1: make it enough.

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Speaker 3: So what we're doing here in South Australia is we've

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Speaker 3: got a very different objective. We're producing green and the

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Speaker 3: market conditions in South Australia are different. The reason why

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Speaker 3: we can produce green hydroen and cheaper than other parts

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Speaker 3: of the world, Matthew, is because when the sun is

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Speaker 3: shining in the wind is blining, which of course isn't

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Speaker 3: all the time, but when it is, we see days

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Speaker 3: where we turn people's solar panels off. Right, that's what

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Speaker 3: the government does. It intervenes in the market and turns

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Speaker 3: solo panel off because we have more electricity supply than

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Speaker 3: we do demand. Now, at those points in time, it

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Speaker 3: becomes far more economic to produce green hydrogen. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to produce it when those moments are occurring, store

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Speaker 3: it and then when the price sparks back up, use

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Speaker 3: that to generate electricity we can put back into the market.

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Speaker 2: That's our policy.

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Speaker 3: But the long term vision is not the long term

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Speaker 3: and the more medium term vision is do you have

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Speaker 3: a more economic price of hydroen that we can use

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Speaker 3: for the production of green iron and or green steel,

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Speaker 3: and that is the industrial reformation that we're aspiring to

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Speaker 3: in the upper spens of Golf and we've had a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of traction around that.

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Speaker 3: I spoke at an important green iron symposium just the

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Speaker 3: other a couple of weeks ago down at the conventionor Center,

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Speaker 3: which had global interest companies like Tyson Krupp, Tatar Steel,

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Speaker 3: Nippon Steel, Postco.

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Speaker 2: These are global.

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Speaker 3: Steel manufacturers who are very keen on because that's where

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Speaker 3: the future of iron and steel production is going. So

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Speaker 3: these are dhim t have opportunities for the state, but

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Speaker 3: our investment and our.

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Speaker 2: Commitment is absolutely don't.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's an im poorant economic platform because people ask, well,

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Speaker 3: how are you going to pay for investing in the

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Speaker 3: hospital system and growing in the future, or we have

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Speaker 3: to grow the state's economy and you know, I've got

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Speaker 3: a responsibility. We've got to chew and walk gum at

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Speaker 3: the same time. And in that regard, in terms of

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Speaker 3: economic performance of the state, notwithstanding the challenges and the

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Speaker 3: headwinds that exist in the community, South Australia is out

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Speaker 3: performing the rest of the country at the moment, as

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Speaker 3: recognized this last week we've come off bank, giving us

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Speaker 3: number one in the.

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Speaker 1: Country chewing and walking gum at the same time. Should

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Speaker 1: child protection be a sole ministry? Should should sport and

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Speaker 1: w rest be there as well?

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting like the people who are arguing for this,

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Speaker 3: the only people are arguing for this is the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of calls on it, people saying

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Speaker 1: should be one.

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Speaker 3: First understand this that the principal architect or the principal

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Speaker 3: prosecutor of the argument, Josh t He's got a heaper

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Speaker 3: portfolios himself. He's saying that he's the Shattle child Protection

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Speaker 3: Minister and also the Shaddle Attorney General.

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Speaker 2: Amongst other things.

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Speaker 3: Right, so I don't understand how he has any sort

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Speaker 3: of credibility in prosecuting that case when he himself doesn't

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Speaker 3: do it. But more than that, I understand this. The

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Speaker 3: South Australian Constitution caps the number of ministers we can

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Speaker 3: have at fifteen, and we've got a lot more than

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Speaker 3: fifteen portfolios, which means by necessity almost every minister, almost

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Speaker 3: every minister has more than one portfolio. In fact, I

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Speaker 3: would I'm trying to remember the top of my head

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Speaker 3: down I think every single minister does have more than

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Speaker 3: one portfolio, so you know, and which one isn't important,

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Speaker 3: They're all important, So it's difficult. I mean, while you

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Speaker 3: could do it in theory, it just means another minister

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Speaker 3: has another portfolio. On top of it, there are other

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Speaker 3: important duty so you know, you know, I'm absolutely satisfied

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Speaker 3: that you know, Katrina Hilliard is doing everything she can

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Speaker 3: and putting a lot of event into the child protection system,

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Speaker 3: which of course is always going to have challenge. Matthew,

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Speaker 3: understand what this is going to. People talk about child

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Speaker 3: protection and sometimes they throw the words around but don't

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Speaker 3: understand what they do. I mean, these are people. This

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Speaker 3: is an agency who is charged with the responsibility of

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Speaker 3: taking children away.

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Speaker 2: From their parents.

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Speaker 3: That's what happens where parents are so incapable of being

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Speaker 3: able to look after their children with adequate care, we

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Speaker 3: take a child away from their parents.

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Speaker 1: I mean, which is probably the argument for it to

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Speaker 1: be a cele ministry.

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Speaker 3: But but you could say that about health, you could

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Speaker 3: say that about education. These are all, you know, emergency services.

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Speaker 3: Everything that state government does is risky by nature because

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Speaker 3: we're doing what no one else can or will.

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Speaker 1: But if it's such a big responsibility.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge responsibility, right, but you know there are

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Speaker 3: My point is that there will always be challenges in it.

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Speaker 3: There will always be challenges around reforming it, right, and

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely I think anyone that knows Katrine and

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Speaker 3: acquipitment to the task will know that it gets the

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Speaker 3: attention that it deserves.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, Derek says, what improvements have been made to

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Speaker 1: close the gap as a direct result of the essay

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Speaker 1: Voice to Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Voice isn't fully up and running yet. We

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Speaker 3: expect its first efforts to start in the second half

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Speaker 3: of this year. But the area that I've mentioned to

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Speaker 3: the Voice members that have been elected that I would

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Speaker 3: like to see a bit more of a focus on

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Speaker 3: is reducing the rate of overrepresentation of Indigenous incarceration because

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Speaker 3: you know, it's just not working and there's I think

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Speaker 3: a life question about whether or not it's making anybody

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Speaker 3: safeer just at the moment. So that's where we would

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Speaker 3: like to see a bit of effort, and also around education.

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Speaker 3: But we'll wait and see, and you know, the proof

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Speaker 3: of the pudding will be in the eating. What I

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Speaker 3: do know is this from my perspective, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Voice that we've got here in South Australia isn't like

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Speaker 3: the federal one. It's different because it was legislator, which

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Speaker 3: means it could be amended or abolished at any time.

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Speaker 3: So it's an entirely different proposition to what was put

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Speaker 3: at the referendum. And you know, I get lobbied and

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Speaker 3: meet with every organization you could imagine, and I try

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Speaker 3: and give all of them a hearing where I reasonably can.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, you know Aboriginal people should be

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Speaker 3: any different. You know, it's a non binding advice or

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Speaker 3: a committee.

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Speaker 1: Disappointed by the turnout though, where one delegate was elected

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Speaker 1: with six votes.

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Speaker 2: But that's true for local counselors. It's true for people.

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Speaker 1: It's not great, though, is it. And you're right it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's true for local councilors and they make big decisions

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Speaker 1: that people just hate being made, like mitcham counsel is

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Speaker 1: an example.

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Speaker 2: Look it is it is. Yeah, that's true. I look,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Your listeners might say I would say this, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I worry that people who have the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: inform the democratic process forget how privileged a position that is.

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Speaker 3: You know, doesn't matter if it's a voice or a counsel,

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Speaker 3: or a board or a you know, a state election

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Speaker 3: or federal election. You know, a lot of people have

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Speaker 3: done a lot of hard work, even tragically given up

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Speaker 3: their lives in the name of representative democracy. And I

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Speaker 3: would much rather prefer I'd much rather people choose to

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Speaker 3: participate than disengage.

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Speaker 1: Premier, thanks for coming in before you go, and David

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Speaker 1: Will have left this for me for the the Undie Drive.

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Speaker 1: We're giving you a couple of pairs of socks that

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Speaker 1: David and Will Undie Drive socks. And what we'd love probably,

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Speaker 1: i'm sure, is a photo of you wearing them at

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Speaker 1: some stage, so that happen when you get home and

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Speaker 1: put on your jarmis or whatever and the socks and

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Speaker 1: send it a photo.

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Speaker 2: Better jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I want to see that photo. Maybe

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Speaker 1: some do. I don't know, but anyway, thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming in today and taking questions. Enjoy the socks.

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Speaker 2: Happy to thanks all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Premier. Peter Melonowskus