1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed, Politics and stuff. I'm Michael 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Thompson and hello, Sean Aylmer. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: I love that name. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: It just it covers so much. Let's just have so 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: much range within the show. But actually for a show 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: that has a lot of potential to go in other places, 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: we don't really know, we don't we are actually we've 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: got quite a narrow focus. We are talking about the election. 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: We are talking about every week between now and May three. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: We're looking at the key issues, the polls, how the 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: leaders are faring. Where are we up to Sean ten 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: days in, not eleven days in? 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: Maybe twelve days in. It was a Friday, wasn't it. It 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: must be twelve days in. I would say Anthony Albanezi 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: has the momentum, but still a long long way to go. 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Three and a half weeks worth of waight to go. 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: The debate last night was probably a points victory to 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, certainly not a knockout. We discussed this 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: on the show this morning. Such a shame was more 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: like a Trump v Biden thing handicaps. 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. There is something to be 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: said for boring though those you want, you actually want, 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: your leaders to be a bit dull, don't you you go? 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: You know what, I want a steady hand. And it 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: actually looked last night like they were two steady hands, 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: which is not a bad thing for a nation to 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: choose between. 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: Except I's talking to me Jackie about it, and she 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: didn't say this, but her inference was two white, middle 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: aged men in same color suits in different colored ties. Ye, like, 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: it's sort of a bit same same. That's probably a 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: bit of a that is true, you know. 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: That is true. No, where there is not a lot 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: of diversity there at all. 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: Not so where Dutton is struggling is putting meat on 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: the bones of his policies. Plenty of opposition leaders actually 37 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: followed this same trajectory. John Howard famously did it when 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: he was elected, basically just don't give too much detail 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: on anything. But it seems to be hurting Dutton at 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: the moment more than some of his predecessors. Because we 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: live in such uncertain times. I think voters are looking 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: for some concrete ideas. They kind of want certainty, and 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: that's not what they're getting. We've discussed this before, you know, 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 2: the great it was like the mid nineteen seventies, A 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: mad comic and Alfred Y Newman was running for mayor 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: of New York on the campaign of amidst all the 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: amidst all the uncertainty, a voice of indecision, and it's 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: kind of the exact opposite to what we need right now. 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suppose a lot of people would be 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: looking to the US and looking to a leader who 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: really shoots from the hip and can get caught out 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: on a lot of details and just doesn't seem to 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: be across. Say, for instance, when Donald Trump held the 54 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: tariff announcement, big, the big press conference, everybody there and 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't one hundred percent sure on when they were 56 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: due to start, whether it was that night or in 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: a few days time or anything like that. I think 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: you are right that voters here will be going, Okay, 59 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: we want detail. We actually want someone who is able 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: to nail the details and bring them to mind when 61 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: they need to, which, yes last night was an opportunity 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: to do that for both. One thing we did get 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: yesterday last night, Peter Duntont provided more details on his 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: energy policy, said that the coalition's plan to create a 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: domestic gas reservation for the East Coast would drive down 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: household gas bills by seven percent. Industrial gas bills that's 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: a big one, by fifteen percent. 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Dunton said the policy will be a game changer and 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: very much continues the opposition's focus on baseline cost of 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: living issues such as petrol and electricity costs. In fact, 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: at Petter Dutton five media stops this week at petrol stations. 72 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: That's got to be a new record. But there was 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: detail last night. That's a good thing. Problem is this 74 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: morning we wake up and someone said, so when is 75 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: this going to happen? And there was no detail and 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: it kind of undercuts it a bit. The other challenge 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: for Dutton is that every time he talks about energy, 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: and that's what he's talking about all the time, the 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: government counters with claims that his nuclear power policy will 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: cost six hundred billion dollars. Peter, where's the money coming from? 81 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: That's what Anthony Albanez he said last night, and I'm 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: sure Peter Dutton would you know, wishes he had never 83 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: brought up nuclear power as an option because every time 84 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: he goes down that path, we end up in this 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: nuclear debate and that's not helping the coalition. 86 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: It is a hard one to take to an election. 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: What about the Prime minister? What's he been focusing on? Men? 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: Healthcare is a big one, proposed changes to the pharmaceutical 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: benefit scheme, bulk billing. This is a cost of a 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: cost of living election after all. However, increasingly who's better 91 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: at handing handling the economy is to the four Conservative 92 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: governments are rightly or wrongly considered better econot better at economics. 93 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: This should work into Peter Dunton's favor. I mean the 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: problem for him, I suppose, is that the government keeps 95 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: comparing him to Donald Trump, and in the Australian public's mind, 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: that isn't a favorable comparison. I think the government's achilles 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: heel on the economy is the size of the budget deficit. 98 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 2: So Anthony, I'm easy. You can talk all he wants 99 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: about previous surpluses, and he can talk all he wants 100 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 2: about what the budget deficit was going to be under 101 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: the coalition under Scott Morrison's government, what it was under 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: Labour's government. But most of us only hear deficits this 103 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: financial year, next financial year, the next ten years worth 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: of deficits. Also, I mean a straight as also performing 105 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: pretty well all things considered, but it just doesn't feel 106 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: that way either. And I think those two things, the 107 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: budget deficit and the fact that we don't feel as 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: if we're doing very well, is a real problem for 109 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: the government. 110 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Do you think people are starting to pay more attention? 111 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: We talked on the weekend edition of Fear and Greed 112 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: about the fact that no one has been paying attention 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: to the election campaign because there's been so much happening 114 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: overseas and in markets. 115 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: Is it starting to cut through to you, Reckon, Probably 116 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: not like I'd like to say it is, But I 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 2: still think what's going on? Mean, this morning we had 118 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: Donald Trump whacking another fifty percent tariff on China, taking 119 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: two one hundred and four percent. Markets were up last night, 120 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: and in fact, when we did the show this morning early, 121 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: we did the show very early, Michael, the markets were 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: up and then Trump comes out puts fifty percent on 123 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: tariffs and China and Wall Street ended lower. So it's 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: I still think that's taking a lot of the oxygen 125 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: in terms of the news cycle. If you looked at 126 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: the major websites this morning, so the Citny Morning Herald, 127 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: the Age, we're not leading with the debate. That's probably 128 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: the big generalist news dot Com was then it wasn't 129 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: some of the more serious The Australian and the finn 130 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Review were. But it's just interesting that sometimes those big 131 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: websites are great ways of judging what people are reading 132 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: because they do reflect, you know, they look at the 133 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: data and say, people want to read this stuff, and 134 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: I just don't think it's cutting through yet. 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: All right, we're running out of time with three and 136 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: a half weeks to go. Who's in front show. 137 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: Poles remain tight, Minority labor government is most likely. That 138 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: means Anthony Albnizi as Prime Minister with the support of 139 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: Greens and or independence in the House of Reps. That 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: is still the most likely outcome. 141 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: All right, thanks very much, Sean. Thanks Michael, don't forget 142 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: to hit follow on the podcast and a head to 143 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: our website Fearangreed dot com dot au to sign up 144 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: for our free daily newsletter. I'm Michael Thompson and this 145 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: is Fear and Greed Politics and stuff.