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Speaker 1: Apologiate, production, tackle chat and unpack triggers, which is a

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Speaker 1: really cool thing to talk about because I think it's

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Speaker 1: some point in our life. We actually have a whole

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Speaker 1: chapter in our healing journals. So emotional triggers can be

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Speaker 1: incredibly powerful and can stir up intense feelings, especially for

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Speaker 1: those who have experienced trauma. But also don't forget that

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Speaker 1: triggers don't also have to come from extremely traumatic situations.

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Speaker 1: Now you can have little hairline triggers or you can

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Speaker 1: have really big triggers. These triggers can be associated with

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Speaker 1: past events or experiences that have caused pain, fear, or sadness.

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Speaker 1: When you're triggered, a person may feel overwhelmed and unable

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Speaker 1: sense of calm and control. However, it's important to remember

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Speaker 1: that it's possible to manage and overcome these triggers. It

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Speaker 1: takes time, patience, and support, but with the right techniques

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Speaker 1: and resources, individuals can learn to recognize and manage their

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Speaker 1: emotional triggers in a healthy, positive way. Ain't that the truth.

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Speaker 1: This may involve seeking therapy, practicing mindfulness or engaging in

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Speaker 1: self care activities that will bring relaxation and calm into

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Speaker 1: your life. Learning to manage emotional triggers is a powerful

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Speaker 1: act of self love. Ain't that the truth? It's about

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Speaker 1: learning to feel all of your emotions and finding ways

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Speaker 1: The time and patience, it's possible to find emotional peace

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Speaker 1: and healing even in the face of past trauma or

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Speaker 2: And then I love our quote over written so good,

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Speaker 2: be grateful for triggers. They point you to where you

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Speaker 2: are not free by Jeff Foster.

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Speaker 1: So good. And I always say to like, any kind

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Speaker 1: of trigger that you feel or experience, it really is

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Speaker 1: life literally like putting a spotlight on what needs healing. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: if you're triggered about something, it's because there's something there

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Speaker 1: experience just an upset. It's showing you what you need

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Speaker 2: Let's go really simplified. If somebody has never heard of

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Speaker 2: a trigger before, how do you know that you have

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Speaker 2: just like felt triggered, Like what happens to your body?

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Speaker 1: It can be so different for everyone, but it could

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Speaker 1: be like literally your body responds, you get sweaty, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the moment triggers For me, Like what I

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Speaker 2: like say, if somebody's like really something to upset you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel it in my heart and my gut. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, And depending on where you're at on that day,

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Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, And everyone's gonna have their own set of triggers.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Like we'll talk about our biggest triggers. So,

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Speaker 2: And then my other one as well, but I had

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Speaker 2: That is so true. And even how we're speaking all

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Speaker 1: So if you've got the journal, you'd be reading this.

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Speaker 1: It's on page fifty nine. It is so good and

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Speaker 1: So when we sat down together, we were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what really helps us? And we have both had very

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Speaker 1: similar things that we did, like, let's put this into

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Speaker 1: Yes, step by step process. If you've got the journal,

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Speaker 1: of our best pages. I reckon Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 2: I saw this Instagram Reeal and I shared with ashystem

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Speaker 2: of the story, so I was like, gosh, this is good.

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Speaker 2: It's from the Holistic Tree tribe, and it basically wrote

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Speaker 2: out different triggers and the different things you need to

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Speaker 2: heal from, and I just thought it was such a

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Speaker 2: good starting point to kind of understand from that perspective

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Speaker 2: of what a trigger can be from, because it's not

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Speaker 2: always necessarily what you think it could be, or sometimes

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Speaker 2: you might have to sit down to fully unpack, like

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Speaker 2: where is this coming from. Yes, so the first one

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Speaker 2: is like the trigger of being told what to do.

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Speaker 2: The thing you need to heal from is being controlled. Say,

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Speaker 2: if your trigger is conflict, the thing that you will

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Speaker 2: need to heal from potentially is emotional instability or reactive surroundings.

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Speaker 2: If your trigger is compliments you you probably need to

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Speaker 2: heal from being overly criticized. If your trigger is being vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: you may need to heal from being shamed or ridiculed.

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Speaker 2: If your trigger is rejection, you may need to heal

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Speaker 2: from fear of not being enough. If your trigger is change,

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Speaker 2: you may need to heal from fear of the unknown.

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Speaker 2: And if your trigger is being alone, you may need

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Speaker 2: to heal from fear of isolation, and I thought it

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Speaker 2: was just such a beautiful starting point when I saw that,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, it's really nice to see not

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Speaker 2: just about triggers, but the opposite side and what you

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Speaker 2: may need to be healing from. Definitely, and triggers will

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Speaker 2: be like all those ones I wrote out, and what

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Speaker 2: you may need to heal from is only like what

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Speaker 2: you may need to It could be a comple it

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Speaker 2: could be like ten different reasons that from that that

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Speaker 2: it could be