WEBVTT - Outsiders | 23 June 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.440 Lord, this is Outsiders. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.840 Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders, the show that is 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:22.040 to woke virt you signally and patronizing identity politics. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.640 What Kamala Harris. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.160 Is to get into grips with the huge moral, ethical, legal, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:35.040 and scientific challenges of artificial intelligence. I think the first 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.919 part of this issue that should be articulated is AI is. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.000 Kind of a fancy thing. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.440 It's first of all, it's two letters. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.839 It means the artificial intelligence. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.159 But ultimately what it is is it's about machine learning, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:50.440 and so the. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.200 Machine is taught. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.240 And part of the issue here is what information is 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:01.880 going into the machine will then determine. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.000 And we can predict then if we. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.800 Think about what machine, what information. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.120 Is going in, what then will. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.840 Be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.000 be made through that process. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:17.840 Great. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.760 I think what the most powerful woman in the world 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.480 meant to say was garbage in, garbage out. And hopefully 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.000 America will be putting the garbage out on November the 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.600 fifth later this year. But in the meantime, let's grab 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.760 the latest Outsiders news. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.119 Well, Riga and James Peter Dutton played the. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.160 Card this week that I never thought he would do, 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.240 which was naming those seven places where the nuclear reactors 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.000 will be. In my opinion, it was a genius move. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.560 It has completely thrown the left, Labor and the Greens 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.640 and the Teals into a quandary. They have no idea 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.160 how to argue about this. I am tipping it now. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.280 I will say it now. I've been saying it free year. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.840 The Coalition will win the forthcoming election. And this was 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.240 the trump card they played, RITA, do you agree with me? 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.520 It is a big call one term PM with that. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.440 Don't worry, you'll all be making the call in a 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.359 few months. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.560 Time, as you always do. I'm used to it. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.520 You take your time, by your time, but I'd called 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:21.080 it anyway. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:21.560 Carry on. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:26.400 But it is a bold it's a brave move because 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.200 it is a much easier politically to oppose a terrible 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.320 idea like the race based referendum than to advocate for 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:35.080 a good idea. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.160 And this is a very good idea for the country. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.840 But the rewards are not immediate, so you don't have 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.639 that immediate gratification that politicians have come to depend upon. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.440 But it is necessary for this country. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.080 It's overdue and we're finally giving the Australian people enough 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.040 respect to make some decisions about energy policy, about their 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.640 cost of living crisis. This is a proper idea logical 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.720 debate that needs to be had. When we had the 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:08.440 Coalition at the last election embrace net zero thinking this 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.280 is going to remove climate change from the equation, We're 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:11.959 all the same. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:13.840 We can argue about other things. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.640 No, all it did was prevent the Coalition from actually 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:24.320 advocating a position that where reliability and cost paramount, not 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.840 just emissions. But with nuclear you've got zero emissions and reliability. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.400 Now the question is cost. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.480 I would argue you look at the experience overseas, you 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:40.800 look at the cost of renewables, the new infrastructure you 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.400 need to support it. So much of the information we 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:50.839 are given is biased, It is ideologically driven. You saw 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.040 that with a CSI or Report James, where there were 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:59.640 such massive holes in it, such inconsistencies, such deliberate flaws 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.480 that I think the Australian people deserve to be given 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.200 the correct information and have them choose if they say no, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.640 we want to continue down the renewables path, we want 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.720 to keep the nuclear band. It's not for us, fine, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.800 but at the moment we haven't given the Australian people 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.280 that choice. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.000 Well, firstly, you were the first person to call Trump 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.640 to win the election, weren't you, So you've. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.640 Got a good track record roll early. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:24.160 Yes. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.080 But Peter Dutton has transformed the election. I mean he's 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.600 gone from mister no. And that was the big accusation 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.159 against Dutton, right he just says no to everything to 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.800 now he's the one with the vision and Anthony Albanzi 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.000 is the one saying no, and Anthony Alberaneze is saying 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.799 no to technology, and he's saying no to the cleanest 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.640 form of energy generation. It was genius by Dutton to 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.760 release the sites without releasing the costs. Yet for two reasons. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.960 Number one, it gets everyone used to the sites first 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.520 as the first step. And David Little Proud's electric is 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.159 one that will have a nuclear active. Very smart, I think, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.120 because if the leader of the Nationals himself is going 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.200 to host a reactor, that sort of dissipates the attack 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.640 that no one wants this. But secondly, when Albanezi accuses 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.720 him of where's the costing, Dutton simply points back at 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.320 Labour's energy policy and says, well, where are your renewables costing? 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.920 You've never provided the full cost of renewables, so Duttony 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.240 is on a total winner with this point. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:22.600 I think the move was genius. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.279 I think the great thing about naming the seven places, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.760 as James says, is they're in electrics where those people will. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:29.039 Have their say. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.880 Already, it would appear from certain opinion polls that the 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.240 majority of people in those electrics saying, actually, we need 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.480 the jobs, and yeah, we actually quite like the idea 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.599 of having energy that doesn't come from windmills and solar 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.400 panels and rus But more importantly, this scare campaign. I 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.560 can remember this going back decades and decades, this scare campaign. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.760 Oh they're going to put the nuclear reactor in your backyard. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.320 This was Labour's one and only trump card in which 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.839 they could run. They believed they would run to the 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.960 election terrifying people at nuclear power plants would be in 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.640 their backyard. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.440 By naming those seven electrics. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.000 What has happened is a those seven electrics gone yea, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.080 actually we're quite happy with this. But more importantly, every 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.480 other electric in the country has gone you beauty, Well 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.719 not my problem with those people were that's great, you beauty, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.039 Off we run. This has transformed the election, as Rita 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.920 says adults are now back in charge of the energy 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.719 debate in this country and that was what is so crucial. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.880 Rita, Well, when you say adults, I'm not sure if 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.840 some of the debate thus far has been very adult 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.960 because we've seen and I think you're right about spooking labor, 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.679 because they've gone straight to scare mongering, just the most 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:45.520 juvenile antiques, posting pictures of you know, cartoons of qualers 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:50.560 with three eyes or fish with three eyes. This really 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.880 idiotic scare mongering. They're not even trying to be sophisticated 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.640 about it. It is just so pathetic and it really 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:03.080 shows a disdain for the Australian public. But scare mongering 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.920 also works. We know that if a lot of people 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.720 who are not politically engaged or not across the issue, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.080 they think, oh my god, this is an enormous danger 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.200 to the country. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.640 You know, there's a reason why we got stupid. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.280 People people, and there are stupid people. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.480 As we saw the voice and as we see repeated 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.080 the thing say time and time again, you can basically 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.920 if you present the facts, if you actually have the 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.560 debate jam where you present the information, now both sides 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.080 de vent all their facts and all their information. You 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.120 were pretty much guaranteed that you will get common sense, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.720 normally of a conservative variety, coming through to at least 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.360 a sixty to forty majority. As we saw in the Voice, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.120 I predict the same thing will happen here. We easily 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.720 in this country, I would argue, have a sixty forty majority. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.560 I saw nuclear. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.840 I did like you talking about the adults speaking charge 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.440 because Peter Dutton did make a comment a lot of 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.000 play about the Prime Minister being a child. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.440 Let's listen, he's a man with a mind still captured 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.400 in his university years. He's a child in a man's body, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.640 and he should be a prime minister for our country instead. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:21.640 I like that a lot alo manchild algo in his 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.400 behavior of late has been and even when it comes 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.240 to the Voice, because he thrusts that upon the nation. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.080 He was so divisive, so destructive, the nation made it 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.320 clear we do not want that. And yet he's still 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.200 entertaining treaty and truth telling. So he doesn't seem to 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.439 comprehend that when the Australian public give a clear mandate, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.680 a clear direction, he's obliged to follow it. And I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.160 hope that he learns it, but then you know what, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:52.360 it's not just him. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.560 Can we talk about some of the liberal staty We. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.640 Will be a second reader. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.000 I just want to quickly play James this bit which 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:07.600 was Albow last year. Last year actually complaining about people 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.160 using memes and childish things which Labor are now doing. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.559 Have I listened to him a year ago complaining and 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.400 calling it misinformation. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:26.840 Media platforms have a responsibility to make sure that misinformation 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.360 isn't got out there. I noticed today, for example, on 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:37.480 the way up here, they've removed various sites that were 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:46.280 up containing fake images of myself superimposed on other people. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.120 That's the sort of thing that is going on on 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.840 social media. Social media has a responsibility to do the 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:55.640 right thing here. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.160 I mean, there you have it all in one package. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:02.440 That's misinformation. In Albow's mocking Albow is misinformation. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:03.839 But he, James can go and. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.920 Mock everybody three eyed fish all a bunch. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.079 Of lies there are. 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.520 It is unbelievable the extent to which the hypocrisy of 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.160 Labor is on view in this nuclear debate. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.079 James Roll, I've got to say earlier mentioned that there 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.280 are stupid voters, right, they might believe some of the 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.640 scare campaign. Well, if they're not politically engaged, they're probably 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.800 watching the Simpsons and they would know automatically that labor 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.800 have got all these memes from the Simpsons. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.080 And they produced the Three Eyed Fish. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.040 So I think even the people not politically engaged will 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.480 be sharp enough to realize heng on a second, this 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.360 labor scare campaign, we've. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:39.040 Seen this before. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:40.480 This is from the Simpsons. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.960 No one's going to buy. And by the way, Dunton 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.000 calling Albanezi a man child is an insult both to 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:46.960 children and to men. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:48.920 So that's a bit fun. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.160 Now we mentioned stupid people, I think read to this 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.280 is your cue to jump. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.920 In with the stupid people within the Liberal Party what 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.000 they haven't quite got on board. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.359 Yeah, we talked about Albo not learning from the Voice referendum. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:07.359 It's quite clear that the Victorian Liberal leader John Prescudo Pursuto, 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.600 the Queensland Liberal leader, is about to become premier. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.920 But you put fool into Chris fool Ley. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:18.000 He seems determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.839 They are amongst Liberals across the country who have shown 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:30.080 zero party discipline, showed zero vision, zero political nous in 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.560 immediately poo pooing this plan, and if the Australian people 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.960 vote for it, then the coalition has a mandate. So 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.520 forget about whatever reservations you might have because you're spineless 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.560 and you've got no vision and you don't one actually 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.240 propose anything. You just want to be a shadow of 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.360 Labor and never ever get elected. I am so thoroughly 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.640 sick of these state liberal parties who are I think 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.400 as much to blame for what we are seeing in 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.320 some of those And you look at Victoria, it has 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.960 just got record debt, the biggest debt in the country. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.920 Just so much pain and misery for Victorians, and the 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.199 Liberals own a piece of that, a big piece, because 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.400 they have never been a viable opposition and you've not 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:23.000 given those Victorians a choice really when it comes to elections, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.079 and this is the state we're in, and they seem 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.040 determined to follow that. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.160 We sorted with the Voice. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.720 They refused to come out and oppose that because they 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.640 were so scared because all the institutions and all the 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.920 celebrities and all the quantus and everyone was supporting the Voice, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.200 and they didn't want to be on the wrong side 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:40.800 of history. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.560 Well, you were on the wrong side of history. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.520 Sixty one percent of Australian said no, including a majority 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.640 in every single state. Only the Act voted yes. And 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.400 they seem to be just repeating that history. I think 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.440 with this debate, which is also really consequential for the country, will. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.040 You expect to get second rates in the labor parties 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.679 within the states, but second rate liberals? They really do 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.680 seem to cluster in the state liberal parties. They're so disappointing, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.559 as Reata says, they should have learned their lesson from 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:10.080 the Voice. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.120 Chrisafooley, what a fool. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.880 You are to not getting completely behind Peter Darton. After 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.600 Peter Dunton is a Queenslander. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:19.080 Here he is. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.920 We've got finally, we've got strong conservative leadership in this 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.199 country and the liberal parties in the States James go 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:26.840 to water. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.400 What a pathetic bunch. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.240 Seriously, you know you do not deserve to be in 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.480 power in those states and you're not well. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.240 I mean read to mention that the state liberal premiers 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.560 or opposition leaders had been very careful with the Voice. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:41.000 Chris O. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.439 Fooley endorsed treaty at one point. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.679 Yppreciate it was their official policy. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 Before they were all in favor of it. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.120 Tell me the other interesting premier at the moment is 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.440 Peter melanowskis because as recently as December twenty twenty two 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.720 he said it was foolhardy to discount nuclear energy. He's 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.960 gone very quiet in this debate because, of course he's 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.880 now in a corner because of Elbanez's. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.520 Ands with someone else read. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.920 Do you remember Andrew Andrew Charlton who was in the 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.880 studio last week. I think he wrote a quarterly essay 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.480 back in a decade ago about how nuclear power that 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:16.880 the left must get behind. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.800 Nuclear powered, this was the way. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:24.400 To solve climbate change, get net zero emissions, cheap energy. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.360 He wrote all this a forty four page essay, and. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.800 Andrew Child, and he's gone very quiet on nuclear now. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.360 Ooh, what a bunch of hypocrites. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.040 And as for the teals, the teals are all out 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.440 there now going to the alleged responders of this world, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.920 the Cape Cheney's going, well, we can't have nuclear, we 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.640 can't have nuclear. Seriously, we thought you cared about the 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.640 environment and net zero emissions. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.960 You absolute hypocrites. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.400 All you are doing is backing your renewables investors, you're 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.800 the worst type of crony capitalists. Kick out the teals. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.960 I say, turf out a teal, make that your mission 0:14:59.240 --> 0:14:59.840 for this year on. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.880 But that is precisely why we are seeing such a 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:08.920 meltdown even from segments of the corporate world, because this 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.320 is an enormous stanger to the renewable subsidy. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.080 Again, exactly, they. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.920 Have long suffering taxpayers and consumers have been subsidizing what 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.520 is the cheapest form of energy, as we're told repeatedly, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.680 and if you've got nuclear, the question becomes, sure, you 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.480 can have a mix of different energy types. But when 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.000 you've got base load power, when you've got as much 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.960 power as you need whenever you need it, why do 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.040 you need renewables. So it actually puts a massive question 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.720 mark on the cost of renewables, the cost of the 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.040 infrastructure you need to have to make renewables even part 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.840 of the grid. And I think that is what's terrifying 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.720 segments of the corporate world, certainly the tills and others. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.240 And we've got to talk about we're a first world country. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.280 If we want to maintain our living standards whilst reducing 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:08.160 emissions dramatically, then nuclear is the only option because renewables 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.880 don't give you base load power, which unless we have 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.120 some new technology that no one's thought of yet, twenty 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.680 thirty is down the track at the moment. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:17.680 This is it, folks. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.160 So but the point is, James, that nuclear is the 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.840 most democratic of energies, that is egalitarianism, that is cheap 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.440 energy for all. Renewables is the plaything of the rich 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.080 and the wealthy, the Wentworth electras, all those those they 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.000 can afford to indulge in this fantasy of renewables. But 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.960 nuclear gives you cheap energy to all. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.360 As Rita says, baseload. And this is. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.200 What's terrifying the lights of Twiggy Forest. Malcome turnbooks. They're 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.800 all rushing out and go oh no, no, no, scare 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:54.160 campaign nuclear nuclear Why because they invested wrongly, They got 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.640 it wrong, and that the. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.640 Public if they did. Because they're working so far, they've made. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.160 A lot of money, but in the long run they 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.760 are going to lose because nuclear is the most democratic 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.480 and egalitarian of all energy systems. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.800 Lesreeda said, so many of the opponents of nuclear energy 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.399 have got vested interests and renewables. Twiggy Forest is a 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.400 great example, he's warning that we can't go to nuclear 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.560 because business needs certainty. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:19.280 And yet at the. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.320 Same time we've got business in Victoria saying we don't 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.000 know if we're going to be able to operate because 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:25.680 we've got a looming gas shortage. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:26.439 Great points. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.760 So you know there's there's a compromise everywhere here and 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.879 a lot of people have got fingers in different pies and. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.480 Twiggy Forests is running around the world selling green hydrogen 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.600 which doesn't even exist. Talk about lack of certainty. Oh 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.200 here's my product. No, it doesn't actually exist, but will 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.320 you please give me billions of dollars of taxpayers money 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.000 to go and try and figure out how to make 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.040 it work. That is what they are doing. Bunch of crooks, 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.160 bunch of grifters. In my opinion, this is an opinion show. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.080 It's down there at the bottom. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.000 Rita, Well, I wouldn't be calling any of them crooks, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.239 not even in your opinion. I know you just been 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:05.440 colorful there, Owen, because these are eminent Australians. But at 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.840 the end of the day, if you want to keep 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.159 on the lights, I don't know how you can be 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.879 so dependent on say wind when it only works on 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.560 average forty percent of the time, whilst nuclear you've got 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.760 a capacity of over ninety percent. It all just comes 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.160 back to what is available to us. We are sitting 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.760 on the world's biggest reserves of uranium. We exported for 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.640 the benefit of other countries, First world countries from Sweden 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.000 to South Korea. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:37.520 To the US. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:42.680 And whilst we're having this juvenile antiques from the labor 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.879 from ex segments of the corporate world, certainly from the 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.840 activist class. In America, they've just had a bipartisan bit 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.720 of legislation that's passed because they want to make it 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.520 a lot easier to put up nuclear reactors, so they 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.000 know it is absolutely crucial to their energy mix. And 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.760 that's Democrats and Republicans on a rare topic. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:08.840 I want to play you this clip. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.199 We're going to save it from where We've got Addie 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.879 Patterson coming on on the show very shortly. He is 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.760 a nuclear expert. You do not want to miss that. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.440 It's going to be fantastic. One of the clips I 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.359 wanted to play, but we'll play it now in a second, 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:25.639 is from that segment is Chris Bowen telling us that 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.480 nuclear go and look at America. There's nothing happening there 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:33.359 to Rita's point, and yet the Americans are trebling the 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.879 amounts of nuclear they have. So we have Chris Bowen 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.320 telling us one thing, complete nonsense, the Americans telling us 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:42.040 the complete opfers. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.880 Have a look and decide for yourself. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.760 Now, the honorable member asked me what policies are being 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.280 rejected at home and abroad? And the entry is, of 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.760 course the most expensive form of energy. And this is 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.720 a very important point because that is nuclear energy. And 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.840 we've had a lot of misinformation from vulnerable members opposite 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:01.200 the later the national parties. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:02.720 Can you decide, look at America. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:03.879 Look what's happening in America. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.480 Who says, well, what's happening in America is the cancelation 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.800 of a small modulary actor after a seventy percent costplow. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.520 That's what's happening in America. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.240 Even as we deploy more solar and wind and batteries, 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.560 we're going to need more, not less, nuclear power in 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.840 the decades to come. By our estimates, to reach our 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.160 net zero goals by twenty fifty, we need to triple 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.920 at least our nuclear energy supply. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:37.120 Joe Biden's left wing Democrat Energy secretary say you heard 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.040 it there. Don't believe a word. Labor says they are 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.119 lying through their teeth. The Coalition will win the next election, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.040 and they will win it because of the nuclear energy debate, 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:53.640 the most democratic and egalitarian form of energy. Well, dun 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.960 Dutton and your team joining us now with the latest 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:02.080 on the UK election is author on Academic Master You Goodwin, Matthew, 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.720 You've you've got many. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.320 Followers there on social media. 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.480 You're a great made of Douglas Murray's and we've been 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.880 keen to get you on the show here and Douglas 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.720 said to you, come on, mate, matt get on Outsiders. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.200 That's the only show in the world worth being on. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.240