Speaker 1: Lord, this is Outsiders.
Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders, the show that is
Speaker 2: to woke virt you signally and patronizing identity politics.
Speaker 1: What Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Is to get into grips with the huge moral, ethical, legal,
Speaker 2: and scientific challenges of artificial intelligence. I think the first
Speaker 2: part of this issue that should be articulated is AI is.
Speaker 3: Kind of a fancy thing.
Speaker 1: It's first of all, it's two letters.
Speaker 3: It means the artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4: But ultimately what it is is it's about machine learning,
Speaker 4: and so the.
Speaker 1: Machine is taught.
Speaker 2: And part of the issue here is what information is
Speaker 2: going into the machine will then determine.
Speaker 3: And we can predict then if we.
Speaker 2: Think about what machine, what information.
Speaker 1: Is going in, what then will.
Speaker 2: Be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may
Speaker 2: be made through that process.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: I think what the most powerful woman in the world
Speaker 2: meant to say was garbage in, garbage out. And hopefully
Speaker 2: America will be putting the garbage out on November the
Speaker 2: fifth later this year. But in the meantime, let's grab
Speaker 2: the latest Outsiders news.
Speaker 1: Well, Riga and James Peter Dutton played the.
Speaker 2: Card this week that I never thought he would do,
Speaker 2: which was naming those seven places where the nuclear reactors
Speaker 2: will be. In my opinion, it was a genius move.
Speaker 2: It has completely thrown the left, Labor and the Greens
Speaker 2: and the Teals into a quandary. They have no idea
Speaker 2: how to argue about this. I am tipping it now.
Speaker 2: I will say it now. I've been saying it free year.
Speaker 2: The Coalition will win the forthcoming election. And this was
Speaker 2: the trump card they played, RITA, do you agree with me?
Speaker 5: It is a big call one term PM with that.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, you'll all be making the call in a
Speaker 2: few months.
Speaker 1: Time, as you always do. I'm used to it.
Speaker 2: You take your time, by your time, but I'd called
Speaker 2: it anyway.
Speaker 1: Carry on.
Speaker 5: But it is a bold it's a brave move because
Speaker 5: it is a much easier politically to oppose a terrible
Speaker 5: idea like the race based referendum than to advocate for
Speaker 5: a good idea.
Speaker 3: And this is a very good idea for the country.
Speaker 5: But the rewards are not immediate, so you don't have
Speaker 5: that immediate gratification that politicians have come to depend upon.
Speaker 3: But it is necessary for this country.
Speaker 5: It's overdue and we're finally giving the Australian people enough
Speaker 5: respect to make some decisions about energy policy, about their
Speaker 5: cost of living crisis. This is a proper idea logical
Speaker 5: debate that needs to be had. When we had the
Speaker 5: Coalition at the last election embrace net zero thinking this
Speaker 5: is going to remove climate change from the equation, We're
Speaker 5: all the same.
Speaker 3: We can argue about other things.
Speaker 5: No, all it did was prevent the Coalition from actually
Speaker 5: advocating a position that where reliability and cost paramount, not
Speaker 5: just emissions. But with nuclear you've got zero emissions and reliability.
Speaker 3: Now the question is cost.
Speaker 5: I would argue you look at the experience overseas, you
Speaker 5: look at the cost of renewables, the new infrastructure you
Speaker 5: need to support it. So much of the information we
Speaker 5: are given is biased, It is ideologically driven. You saw
Speaker 5: that with a CSI or Report James, where there were
Speaker 5: such massive holes in it, such inconsistencies, such deliberate flaws
Speaker 5: that I think the Australian people deserve to be given
Speaker 5: the correct information and have them choose if they say no,
Speaker 5: we want to continue down the renewables path, we want
Speaker 5: to keep the nuclear band. It's not for us, fine,
Speaker 5: but at the moment we haven't given the Australian people
Speaker 5: that choice.
Speaker 6: Well, firstly, you were the first person to call Trump
Speaker 6: to win the election, weren't you, So you've.
Speaker 7: Got a good track record roll early.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 6: But Peter Dutton has transformed the election. I mean he's
Speaker 6: gone from mister no. And that was the big accusation
Speaker 6: against Dutton, right he just says no to everything to
Speaker 6: now he's the one with the vision and Anthony Albanzi
Speaker 6: is the one saying no, and Anthony Alberaneze is saying
Speaker 6: no to technology, and he's saying no to the cleanest
Speaker 6: form of energy generation. It was genius by Dutton to
Speaker 6: release the sites without releasing the costs. Yet for two reasons.
Speaker 6: Number one, it gets everyone used to the sites first
Speaker 6: as the first step. And David Little Proud's electric is
Speaker 6: one that will have a nuclear active. Very smart, I think,
Speaker 6: because if the leader of the Nationals himself is going
Speaker 6: to host a reactor, that sort of dissipates the attack
Speaker 6: that no one wants this. But secondly, when Albanezi accuses
Speaker 6: him of where's the costing, Dutton simply points back at
Speaker 6: Labour's energy policy and says, well, where are your renewables costing?
Speaker 6: You've never provided the full cost of renewables, so Duttony
Speaker 6: is on a total winner with this point.
Speaker 1: I think the move was genius.
Speaker 2: I think the great thing about naming the seven places,
Speaker 2: as James says, is they're in electrics where those people will.
Speaker 8: Have their say.
Speaker 2: Already, it would appear from certain opinion polls that the
Speaker 2: majority of people in those electrics saying, actually, we need
Speaker 2: the jobs, and yeah, we actually quite like the idea
Speaker 2: of having energy that doesn't come from windmills and solar
Speaker 2: panels and rus But more importantly, this scare campaign. I
Speaker 2: can remember this going back decades and decades, this scare campaign.
Speaker 2: Oh they're going to put the nuclear reactor in your backyard.
Speaker 2: This was Labour's one and only trump card in which
Speaker 2: they could run. They believed they would run to the
Speaker 2: election terrifying people at nuclear power plants would be in
Speaker 2: their backyard.
Speaker 1: By naming those seven electrics.
Speaker 2: What has happened is a those seven electrics gone yea,
Speaker 2: actually we're quite happy with this. But more importantly, every
Speaker 2: other electric in the country has gone you beauty, Well
Speaker 2: not my problem with those people were that's great, you beauty,
Speaker 2: Off we run. This has transformed the election, as Rita
Speaker 2: says adults are now back in charge of the energy
Speaker 2: debate in this country and that was what is so crucial.
Speaker 5: Rita, Well, when you say adults, I'm not sure if
Speaker 5: some of the debate thus far has been very adult
Speaker 5: because we've seen and I think you're right about spooking labor,
Speaker 5: because they've gone straight to scare mongering, just the most
Speaker 5: juvenile antiques, posting pictures of you know, cartoons of qualers
Speaker 5: with three eyes or fish with three eyes. This really
Speaker 5: idiotic scare mongering. They're not even trying to be sophisticated
Speaker 5: about it. It is just so pathetic and it really
Speaker 5: shows a disdain for the Australian public. But scare mongering
Speaker 5: also works. We know that if a lot of people
Speaker 5: who are not politically engaged or not across the issue,
Speaker 5: they think, oh my god, this is an enormous danger
Speaker 5: to the country.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason why we got stupid.
Speaker 1: People people, and there are stupid people.
Speaker 2: As we saw the voice and as we see repeated
Speaker 2: the thing say time and time again, you can basically
Speaker 2: if you present the facts, if you actually have the
Speaker 2: debate jam where you present the information, now both sides
Speaker 2: de vent all their facts and all their information. You
Speaker 2: were pretty much guaranteed that you will get common sense,
Speaker 2: normally of a conservative variety, coming through to at least
Speaker 2: a sixty to forty majority. As we saw in the Voice,
Speaker 2: I predict the same thing will happen here. We easily
Speaker 2: in this country, I would argue, have a sixty forty majority.
Speaker 1: I saw nuclear.
Speaker 4: I did like you talking about the adults speaking charge
Speaker 4: because Peter Dutton did make a comment a lot of
Speaker 4: play about the Prime Minister being a child.
Speaker 9: Let's listen, he's a man with a mind still captured
Speaker 9: in his university years. He's a child in a man's body,
Speaker 9: and he should be a prime minister for our country instead.
Speaker 5: I like that a lot alo manchild algo in his
Speaker 5: behavior of late has been and even when it comes
Speaker 5: to the Voice, because he thrusts that upon the nation.
Speaker 5: He was so divisive, so destructive, the nation made it
Speaker 5: clear we do not want that. And yet he's still
Speaker 5: entertaining treaty and truth telling. So he doesn't seem to
Speaker 5: comprehend that when the Australian public give a clear mandate,
Speaker 5: a clear direction, he's obliged to follow it. And I
Speaker 5: hope that he learns it, but then you know what,
Speaker 5: it's not just him.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about some of the liberal staty We.
Speaker 1: Will be a second reader.
Speaker 2: I just want to quickly play James this bit which
Speaker 2: was Albow last year. Last year actually complaining about people
Speaker 2: using memes and childish things which Labor are now doing.
Speaker 2: Have I listened to him a year ago complaining and
Speaker 2: calling it misinformation.
Speaker 10: Media platforms have a responsibility to make sure that misinformation
Speaker 10: isn't got out there. I noticed today, for example, on
Speaker 10: the way up here, they've removed various sites that were
Speaker 10: up containing fake images of myself superimposed on other people.
Speaker 10: That's the sort of thing that is going on on
Speaker 10: social media. Social media has a responsibility to do the
Speaker 10: right thing here.
Speaker 2: I mean, there you have it all in one package.
Speaker 2: That's misinformation. In Albow's mocking Albow is misinformation.
Speaker 1: But he, James can go and.
Speaker 2: Mock everybody three eyed fish all a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of lies there are.
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable the extent to which the hypocrisy of
Speaker 2: Labor is on view in this nuclear debate.
Speaker 6: James Roll, I've got to say earlier mentioned that there
Speaker 6: are stupid voters, right, they might believe some of the
Speaker 6: scare campaign. Well, if they're not politically engaged, they're probably
Speaker 6: watching the Simpsons and they would know automatically that labor
Speaker 6: have got all these memes from the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: And they produced the Three Eyed Fish.
Speaker 6: So I think even the people not politically engaged will
Speaker 6: be sharp enough to realize heng on a second, this
Speaker 6: labor scare campaign, we've.
Speaker 1: Seen this before.
Speaker 7: This is from the Simpsons.
Speaker 6: No one's going to buy. And by the way, Dunton
Speaker 6: calling Albanezi a man child is an insult both to
Speaker 6: children and to men.
Speaker 7: So that's a bit fun.
Speaker 2: Now we mentioned stupid people, I think read to this
Speaker 2: is your cue to jump.
Speaker 1: In with the stupid people within the Liberal Party what
Speaker 1: they haven't quite got on board.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about Albo not learning from the Voice referendum.
Speaker 5: It's quite clear that the Victorian Liberal leader John Prescudo Pursuto,
Speaker 5: the Queensland Liberal leader, is about to become premier.
Speaker 1: But you put fool into Chris fool Ley.
Speaker 5: He seems determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Speaker 5: They are amongst Liberals across the country who have shown
Speaker 5: zero party discipline, showed zero vision, zero political nous in
Speaker 5: immediately poo pooing this plan, and if the Australian people
Speaker 5: vote for it, then the coalition has a mandate. So
Speaker 5: forget about whatever reservations you might have because you're spineless
Speaker 5: and you've got no vision and you don't one actually
Speaker 5: propose anything. You just want to be a shadow of
Speaker 5: Labor and never ever get elected. I am so thoroughly
Speaker 5: sick of these state liberal parties who are I think
Speaker 5: as much to blame for what we are seeing in
Speaker 5: some of those And you look at Victoria, it has
Speaker 5: just got record debt, the biggest debt in the country.
Speaker 5: Just so much pain and misery for Victorians, and the
Speaker 5: Liberals own a piece of that, a big piece, because
Speaker 5: they have never been a viable opposition and you've not
Speaker 5: given those Victorians a choice really when it comes to elections,
Speaker 5: and this is the state we're in, and they seem
Speaker 5: determined to follow that.
Speaker 3: We sorted with the Voice.
Speaker 5: They refused to come out and oppose that because they
Speaker 5: were so scared because all the institutions and all the
Speaker 5: celebrities and all the quantus and everyone was supporting the Voice,
Speaker 5: and they didn't want to be on the wrong side
Speaker 5: of history.
Speaker 3: Well, you were on the wrong side of history.
Speaker 5: Sixty one percent of Australian said no, including a majority
Speaker 5: in every single state. Only the Act voted yes. And
Speaker 5: they seem to be just repeating that history. I think
Speaker 5: with this debate, which is also really consequential for the country, will.
Speaker 2: You expect to get second rates in the labor parties
Speaker 2: within the states, but second rate liberals? They really do
Speaker 2: seem to cluster in the state liberal parties. They're so disappointing,
Speaker 2: as Reata says, they should have learned their lesson from
Speaker 2: the Voice.
Speaker 1: Chrisafooley, what a fool.
Speaker 2: You are to not getting completely behind Peter Darton. After
Speaker 2: Peter Dunton is a Queenslander.
Speaker 1: Here he is.
Speaker 2: We've got finally, we've got strong conservative leadership in this
Speaker 2: country and the liberal parties in the States James go
Speaker 2: to water.
Speaker 1: What a pathetic bunch.
Speaker 2: Seriously, you know you do not deserve to be in
Speaker 2: power in those states and you're not well.
Speaker 6: I mean read to mention that the state liberal premiers
Speaker 6: or opposition leaders had been very careful with the Voice.
Speaker 1: Chris O.
Speaker 7: Fooley endorsed treaty at one point.
Speaker 5: Yppreciate it was their official policy.
Speaker 1: Before they were all in favor of it.
Speaker 6: Tell me the other interesting premier at the moment is
Speaker 6: Peter melanowskis because as recently as December twenty twenty two
Speaker 6: he said it was foolhardy to discount nuclear energy. He's
Speaker 6: gone very quiet in this debate because, of course he's
Speaker 6: now in a corner because of Elbanez's.
Speaker 1: Ands with someone else read.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Andrew Andrew Charlton who was in the
Speaker 2: studio last week. I think he wrote a quarterly essay
Speaker 2: back in a decade ago about how nuclear power that
Speaker 2: the left must get behind.
Speaker 1: Nuclear powered, this was the way.
Speaker 2: To solve climbate change, get net zero emissions, cheap energy.
Speaker 1: He wrote all this a forty four page essay, and.
Speaker 2: Andrew Child, and he's gone very quiet on nuclear now.
Speaker 1: Ooh, what a bunch of hypocrites.
Speaker 2: And as for the teals, the teals are all out
Speaker 2: there now going to the alleged responders of this world,
Speaker 2: the Cape Cheney's going, well, we can't have nuclear, we
Speaker 2: can't have nuclear. Seriously, we thought you cared about the
Speaker 2: environment and net zero emissions.
Speaker 1: You absolute hypocrites.
Speaker 2: All you are doing is backing your renewables investors, you're
Speaker 2: the worst type of crony capitalists. Kick out the teals.
Speaker 2: I say, turf out a teal, make that your mission
Speaker 2: for this year on.
Speaker 5: But that is precisely why we are seeing such a
Speaker 5: meltdown even from segments of the corporate world, because this
Speaker 5: is an enormous stanger to the renewable subsidy.
Speaker 8: Again, exactly, they.
Speaker 5: Have long suffering taxpayers and consumers have been subsidizing what
Speaker 5: is the cheapest form of energy, as we're told repeatedly,
Speaker 5: and if you've got nuclear, the question becomes, sure, you
Speaker 5: can have a mix of different energy types. But when
Speaker 5: you've got base load power, when you've got as much
Speaker 5: power as you need whenever you need it, why do
Speaker 5: you need renewables. So it actually puts a massive question
Speaker 5: mark on the cost of renewables, the cost of the
Speaker 5: infrastructure you need to have to make renewables even part
Speaker 5: of the grid. And I think that is what's terrifying
Speaker 5: segments of the corporate world, certainly the tills and others.
Speaker 5: And we've got to talk about we're a first world country.
Speaker 5: If we want to maintain our living standards whilst reducing
Speaker 5: emissions dramatically, then nuclear is the only option because renewables
Speaker 5: don't give you base load power, which unless we have
Speaker 5: some new technology that no one's thought of yet, twenty
Speaker 5: thirty is down the track at the moment.
Speaker 3: This is it, folks.
Speaker 2: So but the point is, James, that nuclear is the
Speaker 2: most democratic of energies, that is egalitarianism, that is cheap
Speaker 2: energy for all. Renewables is the plaything of the rich
Speaker 2: and the wealthy, the Wentworth electras, all those those they
Speaker 2: can afford to indulge in this fantasy of renewables. But
Speaker 2: nuclear gives you cheap energy to all.
Speaker 1: As Rita says, baseload. And this is.
Speaker 2: What's terrifying the lights of Twiggy Forest. Malcome turnbooks. They're
Speaker 2: all rushing out and go oh no, no, no, scare
Speaker 2: campaign nuclear nuclear Why because they invested wrongly, They got
Speaker 2: it wrong, and that the.
Speaker 1: Public if they did. Because they're working so far, they've made.
Speaker 2: A lot of money, but in the long run they
Speaker 2: are going to lose because nuclear is the most democratic
Speaker 2: and egalitarian of all energy systems.
Speaker 6: Lesreeda said, so many of the opponents of nuclear energy
Speaker 6: have got vested interests and renewables. Twiggy Forest is a
Speaker 6: great example, he's warning that we can't go to nuclear
Speaker 6: because business needs certainty.
Speaker 1: And yet at the.
Speaker 6: Same time we've got business in Victoria saying we don't
Speaker 6: know if we're going to be able to operate because
Speaker 6: we've got a looming gas shortage.
Speaker 1: Great points.
Speaker 6: So you know there's there's a compromise everywhere here and
Speaker 6: a lot of people have got fingers in different pies and.
Speaker 2: Twiggy Forests is running around the world selling green hydrogen
Speaker 2: which doesn't even exist. Talk about lack of certainty. Oh
Speaker 2: here's my product. No, it doesn't actually exist, but will
Speaker 2: you please give me billions of dollars of taxpayers money
Speaker 2: to go and try and figure out how to make
Speaker 2: it work. That is what they are doing. Bunch of crooks,
Speaker 2: bunch of grifters. In my opinion, this is an opinion show.
Speaker 2: It's down there at the bottom.
Speaker 5: Rita, Well, I wouldn't be calling any of them crooks,
Speaker 5: not even in your opinion. I know you just been
Speaker 5: colorful there, Owen, because these are eminent Australians. But at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, if you want to keep
Speaker 5: on the lights, I don't know how you can be
Speaker 5: so dependent on say wind when it only works on
Speaker 5: average forty percent of the time, whilst nuclear you've got
Speaker 5: a capacity of over ninety percent. It all just comes
Speaker 5: back to what is available to us. We are sitting
Speaker 5: on the world's biggest reserves of uranium. We exported for
Speaker 5: the benefit of other countries, First world countries from Sweden
Speaker 5: to South Korea.
Speaker 3: To the US.
Speaker 5: And whilst we're having this juvenile antiques from the labor
Speaker 5: from ex segments of the corporate world, certainly from the
Speaker 5: activist class. In America, they've just had a bipartisan bit
Speaker 5: of legislation that's passed because they want to make it
Speaker 5: a lot easier to put up nuclear reactors, so they
Speaker 5: know it is absolutely crucial to their energy mix. And
Speaker 5: that's Democrats and Republicans on a rare topic.
Speaker 1: I want to play you this clip.
Speaker 2: We're going to save it from where We've got Addie
Speaker 2: Patterson coming on on the show very shortly. He is
Speaker 2: a nuclear expert. You do not want to miss that.
Speaker 2: It's going to be fantastic. One of the clips I
Speaker 2: wanted to play, but we'll play it now in a second,
Speaker 2: is from that segment is Chris Bowen telling us that
Speaker 2: nuclear go and look at America. There's nothing happening there
Speaker 2: to Rita's point, and yet the Americans are trebling the
Speaker 2: amounts of nuclear they have. So we have Chris Bowen
Speaker 2: telling us one thing, complete nonsense, the Americans telling us
Speaker 2: the complete opfers.
Speaker 1: Have a look and decide for yourself.
Speaker 11: Now, the honorable member asked me what policies are being
Speaker 11: rejected at home and abroad? And the entry is, of
Speaker 11: course the most expensive form of energy. And this is
Speaker 11: a very important point because that is nuclear energy. And
Speaker 11: we've had a lot of misinformation from vulnerable members opposite
Speaker 11: the later the national parties.
Speaker 7: Can you decide, look at America.
Speaker 8: Look what's happening in America.
Speaker 11: Who says, well, what's happening in America is the cancelation
Speaker 11: of a small modulary actor after a seventy percent costplow.
Speaker 11: That's what's happening in America.
Speaker 12: Even as we deploy more solar and wind and batteries,
Speaker 12: we're going to need more, not less, nuclear power in
Speaker 12: the decades to come. By our estimates, to reach our
Speaker 12: net zero goals by twenty fifty, we need to triple
Speaker 12: at least our nuclear energy supply.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's left wing Democrat Energy secretary say you heard
Speaker 2: it there. Don't believe a word. Labor says they are
Speaker 2: lying through their teeth. The Coalition will win the next election,
Speaker 2: and they will win it because of the nuclear energy debate,
Speaker 2: the most democratic and egalitarian form of energy. Well, dun
Speaker 2: Dutton and your team joining us now with the latest
Speaker 2: on the UK election is author on Academic Master You Goodwin, Matthew,
Speaker 2: You've you've got many.
Speaker 1: Followers there on social media.
Speaker 2: You're a great made of Douglas Murray's and we've been
Speaker 2: keen to get you on the show here and Douglas
Speaker 2: said to you, come on, mate, matt get on Outsiders.
Speaker 1: That's the only show in the world worth being on.
Speaker 2: And you agreed with him and here you are, Matt.
Speaker 2: So it's great to have you on the show. Tell
Speaker 2: us thanks for having me, our pleasure. Tell us what's
Speaker 2: happening with Nigel Farage the Surgeon support. Very exciting things
Speaker 2: happening in Britain as we speak.
Speaker 13: Well, look, the big headline here is Nigel Farage is
Speaker 13: back in British politics. He's set up a new party,
Speaker 13: the Reform Party, and he's campaigning hard against mass immigration,
Speaker 13: against woke ideology and against the political class in Westminster.
Speaker 13: And to be honest, much like Brexit, he's outflanked everybody again.
Speaker 13: He's averaging nineteen percent of the national vote this week.
Speaker 13: We've only got ten days to go until the election.
Speaker 13: He's almost going to win election to the House of
Speaker 13: Commons for the first time in his career. And this
Speaker 13: is really speaking to a bigger point, which is we
Speaker 13: are witnessing the implosion of the British Conservative Party, a
Speaker 13: party that doesn't really know what it is anymore, what
Speaker 13: it believes, where it's going, and it isn't really conservative anymore.
Speaker 13: So this is what happens when you lose touch with
Speaker 13: those conservative voters.
Speaker 5: Reta Well, I would argue that the Tories have been
Speaker 5: treacherous to their voters because they talk conservative whenever it's
Speaker 5: election time, but then as soon as they're in power,
Speaker 5: they govern from the left as if they're labor and
Speaker 5: they're going to pay a very heavy price.
Speaker 3: Indeed, what is your prediction for who will be the opposition?
Speaker 5: Who's going to be because we know lab is going
Speaker 5: to win, They're going to win in a landslide, but
Speaker 5: who is going to prevail from the other contenders? And
Speaker 5: Liberal Democrats were in prime position there for a period.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, I think what we've got here
Speaker 13: is at the beginning of a prolonged civil war between
Speaker 13: the established British Tory right and a new generation of
Speaker 13: National Conservatives represented by the likes of Farage, who are
Speaker 13: really saying, look, we have to completely renew we have
Speaker 13: to reinvent conservatism, We've got to make it more in
Speaker 13: touch with the peoples.
Speaker 7: So here's my prediction.
Speaker 13: We're going to have a really big labor majority government,
Speaker 13: probably the biggest labor majority we've had in this country
Speaker 13: since nineteen ninety seven, since the time of Tony Blair.
Speaker 7: I think Labor will do very well.
Speaker 13: The Liberal Democrats will do reasonably well. They'll get thirty
Speaker 13: forty seats. The Scottish Nationalists will do reasonably well. So
Speaker 13: the liberal left position, if you like, accepting immigration, accepting
Speaker 13: woke ideology, wanting to get us back into the European Union,
Speaker 13: They're all going to do very well.
Speaker 1: And then there's this.
Speaker 13: Big battle for the right. And look, as long as
Speaker 13: Nigel Farage is elected into Parliament, he will be one
Speaker 13: of the big opposition voices in British politics. He won't
Speaker 13: have the biggest party by any stretch, but simply through
Speaker 13: the force of his charisma, simply through the force of
Speaker 13: his media skills, through the fact that he is supported
Speaker 13: by millions of people across the country, that oppositional voice
Speaker 13: will be taken very seriously and it will become stronger
Speaker 13: reta if another thing happens that I'm predicting, which is
Speaker 13: that the Conservatives will respond to this election defeat by
Speaker 13: moving even further to the cultural left. They'll say, look,
Speaker 13: we need to basically become a labor we need to
Speaker 13: be a big state, big tax, big immigration party. And
Speaker 13: of course that will then lead more room for Nigel
Speaker 13: Farage as we go through this parliament. So look, he's
Speaker 13: going to be feeling very confident. I'm with him tomorrow
Speaker 13: in the seat of Clacton in Essex watching his campaign
Speaker 13: therew I can tell you he feels like he's on
Speaker 13: top of the world. He feels like he's twenty sixteen
Speaker 13: all over again. He can't believe how badly the British
Speaker 13: Tories are losing touch with all those voters that they
Speaker 13: promised they'd give them lower immigration, they'd give them a
Speaker 13: self governing, independent nation. They control the borders. They push
Speaker 13: back against Wok ideology, and Rita is absolutely right. There
Speaker 13: is a word here and that word is betrayal and
Speaker 13: many voters feel that very very strongly.
Speaker 7: James Neil Matthew speaking of betrayal.
Speaker 6: One of the problems for the Tories is they've been
Speaker 6: beset by scandal and now this stays out from an election,
Speaker 6: they've got another one. The Times have revealed that a
Speaker 6: number of rishisin ks inn A Sanctum have been caught
Speaker 6: placing dozens of bets on the timing of the election,
Speaker 6: including his personal protection officer, another key advisor. This just
Speaker 6: feeds into the narrative, doesn't it that the Tories have
Speaker 6: had one rule for the country and.
Speaker 7: A completely different rule for themselves.
Speaker 13: Well, look, this is classic Tory behavior. They're putting themselves
Speaker 13: in the party ahead of the country, and many voters
Speaker 13: consens this. But there's also a deeper question here with
Speaker 13: regard to Rishi Sunac and his administration. Remember, Rishi Sunac
Speaker 13: has no mandate. Okay, so viewers who are not familiar
Speaker 13: with British politics might not be aware of this. But
Speaker 13: he was never elected to become leader of the Conservative Party.
Speaker 13: He was appointed. Right, So that's a really really important point.
Speaker 13: And then there's the mission, the vision. What does Rishie
Speaker 13: Sunac stand for. He came in after Boris Johnson was
Speaker 13: turfed out. He did have a mandate. By the way,
Speaker 13: Liz Trust was turfed out, she had a mandate. Rishie
Speaker 13: Sunac was brought in by the Tory elite class who
Speaker 13: said we must get the adults back into the room
Speaker 13: aka technocracy, managerialism, the same old Bland consensus that we've
Speaker 13: had for years that voters rejected through that Brexit reperendum.
Speaker 13: And here's my question, what was it all for? What
Speaker 13: was this for? This project, this installation of Rishi? What
Speaker 13: is he actually given the country? He's given us the
Speaker 13: highest tax burden since the nineteen fifties and sixties. We've
Speaker 13: got the highest rates of legal migration that we've ever had.
Speaker 13: We've lost control of the borders. Illegal migration is completely
Speaker 13: out of control. The British Tories have mainstreamed woke ideology.
Speaker 13: They've got kids be taught that boys can become girls,
Speaker 13: that girls can become boys. We've got critical race theory
Speaker 13: in our primary and secondary schools. We're importing a lot
Speaker 13: of that nonsense from America, Well, what conservatives are supposed
Speaker 13: to stand up against this stuff? And so every time
Speaker 13: Rishie Sunac has been in front of voters during this election,
Speaker 13: the voters have increasingly said, actually, I don't like that guy.
Speaker 13: That guy's not really for me. I don't know why
Speaker 13: is this guy even Prime Minister. I don't get it.
Speaker 13: And let me tell you this one thing briefly that
Speaker 13: everybody will remember about this election campaign for years, decades
Speaker 13: to come, and it's this when Rishi Sunac decided to
Speaker 13: leave the D Day Anniversary early, He went to France
Speaker 13: for a few hours and then, against the advice of
Speaker 13: some of his advisors, he left the anniversary early. And
Speaker 13: that raised a much deeper question in this country, which
Speaker 13: is does this guy even believe in Britain? Does he
Speaker 13: really believe in our history, identity, culture and values? And
Speaker 13: that too has been an enormous open goal for Nigel Faraj,
Speaker 13: who has understandably kicked a load of footballs into that
Speaker 13: open goal during the selection campaign.
Speaker 2: But one thing Matt as well that Nigel Farag pointed
Speaker 2: out was it wasn't just Rishi Sunak last year. Apparently
Speaker 2: Kiir Starmer had his poppy on during the morning when
Speaker 2: he was attending various events, and then when he attended
Speaker 2: an Islamic event that poppy mysteriously disappeared, and Nigel Farrage
Speaker 2: asked the BBC interviewer whether this was a sign that
Speaker 2: maybe Kiir Starmer as well had didn't quite know the significance.
Speaker 8: Of D Day.
Speaker 2: Just tell us briefly, Matt so Farage has attack NIT zero,
Speaker 2: which is fantastic COVID vaccines. He wants to look into
Speaker 2: that lockdown's mass. He wants to look into that migration
Speaker 2: is the big thing. He's prepared to tackle trans ideology.
Speaker 2: These are all the culture war issues that so many
Speaker 2: politicians on the right have avoided for years and years.
Speaker 1: He is a cultural warrior.
Speaker 2: What do you think will happen between now and the election?
Speaker 2: Will the Conservatives, idiots like David Cameron who isn't even
Speaker 2: elected to Parliament and is criticizing Frage, Will they come
Speaker 2: around and start to see that they need to maybe
Speaker 2: split the seats somehow with the do some kind of
Speaker 2: deal or is that not on the table?
Speaker 13: In brief there will be no deal between the Conservatives
Speaker 13: and Nigel Farage. Why would he make a deal when
Speaker 13: he thinks, understandably, he can win the whole House and
Speaker 13: that's what he's thinking. Not necessarily of course, at this election.
Speaker 13: Remember we're past the post system.
Speaker 7: But here's what.
Speaker 13: Farage is hoping. He wins a handful of seats in
Speaker 13: ten days time, Maybe he wins five million votes, Maybe
Speaker 13: he wins one hundred second places. Maybe he is the
Speaker 13: alternative to Labor across all of those working class districts.
Speaker 13: Then he comes out of the election he says, right now,
Speaker 13: I'm going to take over what remains of the Conservative Party,
Speaker 13: and he invites all of those disillusion Conservatives to join
Speaker 13: with him to build a new political movement in British politics.
Speaker 7: This is where it's all going. This is going to.
Speaker 13: Be an incredibly bumpy, volatile, chaotic period in British politics,
Speaker 13: which I hope will get us to a much more
Speaker 13: representative and successful conservative movement that's more in touch with
Speaker 13: the people, because what we've got at the moment cannot continue.
Speaker 13: This is a it is a joke of a Conservative party.
Speaker 13: That is, it is simply not conservative on any major
Speaker 13: issue at all. It's completely and consistently give way to
Speaker 13: liberal progressives on a whole host of issues. And so
Speaker 13: Farrage stronger than ever.
Speaker 7: That's the conclusion from this selection.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Matt Goodwin. So great to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: I hope you will join us on that bumpy road
Speaker 2: ahead many more times because it's great to have your
Speaker 2: insights and your knowledge there. Thank you for staying up
Speaker 2: so late to chat to Outsiders and have a great
Speaker 2: day tomorrow with Nigel Farrage.
Speaker 8: That's Matt Goodwin.
Speaker 1: They're following him on social media. Brilliant insight.
Speaker 2: There after the break Rita's Reality Check and we'll be
Speaker 2: speaking to former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman about the state
Speaker 2: of the Queensland Liberals and Chris a FOOLI.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to Outsiders with your host Rowan Biggie Small's
Speaker 5: Day James to Pat MCCUs and I'm readA Patty from
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Speaker 5: various lefty ideologues losing whatever tenuous group they have on
Speaker 5: reality and talking about losing your group on reality and
Speaker 5: sanity Earlier today, bartender turned Congresswoman Alexandria or Kazia Cortez
Speaker 5: and a couple of other far left Democrats held a
Speaker 5: rally in the Bronx.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Perhaps they were inspired by the huge crowd.
Speaker 5: That Donald Trump got there a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 5: but the Democrats rally sadly in what should be Democrat
Speaker 5: heartland only had a few hundred in attendance, and they
Speaker 5: were treated.
Speaker 3: To this absolute cringe fest.
Speaker 5: Now just watch this and ask yourself, is AOC okay?
Speaker 5: She got her hands on whatever cocktail of drugs they
Speaker 5: give to Biden before any major speech. She doesn't seem
Speaker 5: okay to man, It only got worse when she spoke. Guys,
Speaker 5: I don't think ac actually realizes that the Democrats are
Speaker 5: in power right now, because she wants to win the
Speaker 5: country back and then she goes full ghetto.
Speaker 3: Then she goes a big country. Watch this private school educated.
Speaker 5: Daughter of an architect patronize the locals.
Speaker 3: I love the hair work. That's excellent.
Speaker 5: She wants to win the country backyard from whom exactly
Speaker 5: I don't know, legal immigrants, Joe Biden. She does realize
Speaker 5: the Democrats are in the White House, and she mentioned
Speaker 5: Gaza there and that was also top of mind for
Speaker 5: the male AOC Jamal Bowman watched this deranged performance. And
Speaker 5: remember this man is a congressman, Democrat congressman. And just
Speaker 5: as AOC mentioned Gaza in that rant, Bowman is also
Speaker 5: preoccupied with the war between Israel and her mass silent.
Speaker 1: Now he has such silence.
Speaker 3: When you watch those lefties loser, you.
Speaker 5: Can understand how despite the lawfare that Donald Trump has faced,
Speaker 5: the corruption of the justice system, the thirty four nonsense convictions,
Speaker 5: not to mention the relentless misrepresentation and misinformation from the
Speaker 5: overwhelming majority of the media, Trump is still in front
Speaker 5: and strengthening his position. Indeed, in the latest poll he
Speaker 5: is winning in every swing state. Every swing state. The
Speaker 5: latest Emerson College polling would be giving Joe Biden nightmares
Speaker 5: if he had any idea what day it was. And
Speaker 5: the polling also shows incredibly that New York is in play.
Speaker 5: The bluest of blue states could turn red. Surely not,
Speaker 5: but this is the latest scene a College data that's
Speaker 5: showing Trump is within striking distance after a surge in
Speaker 5: support from black and Jewish voters. The last Republican to
Speaker 5: win New York was the great Ronald Reagan back in
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: No one's come close since George W. Bush got forty.
Speaker 5: Percent post nine to eleven in the twenty two thousand
Speaker 5: and four presidential election. But the Trump momentum seems uns
Speaker 5: stoppable now, and even the most rusted on anti Trumps
Speaker 5: are acknowledging that the so called hush money case was
Speaker 5: not legitimate and all he did in the end was
Speaker 5: boost Trump's popularity, so he.
Speaker 14: Was lagging behind Biden and now he's called quite a
Speaker 14: bit ahead. That trial was the greatest reason people had
Speaker 14: to send their checks for five, ten, twenty five whatever
Speaker 14: dollars to Donald Trump.
Speaker 15: The attorney general's case in New York, frankly should have
Speaker 15: never been brought. And if his name was not Donald Trump,
Speaker 15: and if he wasn't running for president, I'm the former
Speaker 15: agent in New York. I'm telling you that case would
Speaker 15: have never been rotten. And that's what is offensive to people.
Speaker 5: That was former New York Governor Andrew CuMo, a man
Speaker 5: who they thought would be a Democrat presidential candidate at
Speaker 5: one point.
Speaker 3: And is that precisely what we've been telling you here.
Speaker 5: All along the cases against Trump are political prosecutions designed
Speaker 5: to stop him winning in November. So far the strategy
Speaker 5: is failing, but as we saw in twenty twenty, the
Speaker 5: Democrats and their institutional and media allies can always find
Speaker 5: ways to fortify an election.
Speaker 2: Yes, so much fortifying will be going on between now
Speaker 2: and November fifth. Interesting the Cuomos, isn't it, Because Chris
Speaker 2: Cuomo has both come out. It's kind of oh, I
Speaker 2: got it all wrong on the vaccines and the Andrew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 5: I think they're just reading the mood. They're reading the room.
Speaker 5: But there were two of the worst, absolute worst, and
Speaker 5: when it mattered, they were monsters and cowards.
Speaker 1: But now they were and go exactly.
Speaker 3: Everything we said. We were misled, so it's not our fault.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: Joining us now is former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman Campbell,
Speaker 2: great to have you on Outsiders again.
Speaker 1: As always, great to have you here.
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a master stroke what Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton has done with naming the seven sites, the whole
Speaker 2: policy on nuclear energy.
Speaker 1: I think the Australians are going to go, Thank goodness.
Speaker 2: Finally the adults are back talking about sensible policies to
Speaker 2: bring us energy cheaply and affordably and more importantly reliably.
Speaker 1: But button, it's a big button. The Liberal Party at
Speaker 1: a state level seems to be doing its usual trick.
Speaker 2: You've got Chris Fooley up there in Queensland to back
Speaker 2: the treaty and voice and now is saying, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure about you know, I'm not going down the
Speaker 2: nuclear path. What is going on, Cambell? What's in that
Speaker 2: beautiful Brisbane water behind you that you're all drinking? That
Speaker 2: sends these liberals so pathetically left wing every time.
Speaker 16: Well, clearly Christoph Fowley and the political arm of the
Speaker 16: state l and are completely out of step with firstly Queenslanders,
Speaker 16: but more worryingly perhaps for them if they care their
Speaker 16: own party membership. And that's why people are deserting the
Speaker 16: LNP and joining the Libertarian Party. And I'll declare that
Speaker 16: up front. I'm a member of the Libertarian Party these days,
Speaker 16: and in recent weeks I've had meetings with senior office
Speaker 16: bearers of the LNP who're defecting to us down there
Speaker 16: on the Gold Coast in Christap Fally's backyard.
Speaker 8: But look the problem with what.
Speaker 16: Chris of Fally has done this week should be separated
Speaker 16: into two bits, firstly from a public policy point of
Speaker 16: view and then the political point of view. So on
Speaker 16: the public policy point of view, he's going to an
Speaker 16: election saying that he supports the missions targets like the
Speaker 16: Labor Party, but he's saying and obviously implicitly, he's against
Speaker 16: the coal fired power stations that we have today. They
Speaker 16: need to be phased out. So he obviously supports renewables,
Speaker 16: but he therefore needs to support storage. So where's the
Speaker 16: storage Because the other thing that's happened is he's said
Speaker 16: that he's against the very large and franklin I think
Speaker 16: quite risky Labor Party pumped hydro projects, but he's not
Speaker 16: offering an alternative. So in summary, Chris O Fooley doesn't
Speaker 16: have a renewable electricity supply policy. It will provide reliable
Speaker 16: base slow power for Queenslanders. And then he's repudiated per
Speaker 16: de Dutton and the FEDS. So here we have an
Speaker 16: important election after nine years of an appalling Labor government,
Speaker 16: but the LNP don't actually have an electricity supply policy
Speaker 16: consistent with going to zero emissions. If you believe that
Speaker 16: mumbo jumbo. If we then go to the political side
Speaker 16: of it, Well, first, here it's an active treachery. I
Speaker 16: mean I've talked to a number of federal LNP politicians
Speaker 16: in the last few days. They're pulling their hair out,
Speaker 16: they're pulling our hair out at the lack of courage,
Speaker 16: they're pulling their hair out of the way that this
Speaker 16: guy has done this. And look all he had to do, guys,
Speaker 16: this is what we had to do. All he had
Speaker 16: to do is say, well, you know, I'm concerned about this.
Speaker 16: There are issues that haven't been answered. But you know what,
Speaker 16: if Peter Dutton puts this up at a federal election
Speaker 16: it gets elected, well, I'll have to support that mandate.
Speaker 16: Why couldn't the LNP do that? And you know what,
Speaker 16: that's what the rank and file of the LMP would support. Actually, frankly,
Speaker 16: it's bigger than that. I think you would find that
Speaker 16: a convention of the LNP membership there'd be about seventy
Speaker 16: five percent support for what's doing, if not even stronger.
Speaker 1: And I try to be concerning.
Speaker 16: So it's been an extraordinary week. It's been an extraordinary week.
Speaker 16: But this guy, as you were pointing out before, Roman.
Speaker 16: He gets it wrong on so many things. He voted
Speaker 16: for Treaty, in truth telling, he supported the Voice or
Speaker 16: wouldn't take a position for a long long time when
Speaker 16: it was clear exactly where this state would go. He
Speaker 16: supported omission's targets. Only two weeks ago he stood up
Speaker 16: before the Labor Party had handed down their state budget
Speaker 16: and he said.
Speaker 1: I will support it.
Speaker 8: Now what does that mean?
Speaker 16: That means you actually support the funding priorities, but importantly
Speaker 16: the policy and political priorities of your opponents. And so
Speaker 16: Scott Prosser, who's often on Sky, has made it very
Speaker 16: very clear he's completely abrogaded his responsibility to lead an
Speaker 16: effective opposition in Queensland.
Speaker 5: It's just depressing because the Queensland Labor government is on
Speaker 5: the nose the elections there for the winning and he
Speaker 5: probably still is very much in the winning position. And
Speaker 5: what a missed opportunity to actually stand for something rather
Speaker 5: than being Labor light.
Speaker 3: What is the problem with this bloke? Is it that
Speaker 3: he doesn't have convictions or is his ideology to the left.
Speaker 5: So he believes in treaty and truth telling and the Voice,
Speaker 5: and he believes in phasing out colon, banning nuclear and
Speaker 5: keeping those bands in place. Where is this judgment coming from.
Speaker 16: Look, I'm not sure, reader, because this guy was a
Speaker 16: minister in my government. And also, and I've said it
Speaker 16: before on Sky, just again to reiterate, I supported David
Speaker 16: Chris of Foley to take the leadership from Frecklington. I
Speaker 16: thought he would do a good job, and in the
Speaker 16: last state election campaign I personally made a contribution, a
Speaker 16: large contribution of cash into his own campaign. So I
Speaker 16: haven't reached this moment without all these things that he
Speaker 16: has done. I was a big fan, and now I'm
Speaker 16: a very disappointed and aggrieved former supporter. So I don't
Speaker 16: know what he does I believe in, and that's my concern.
Speaker 16: He can wear a smart suit, he can appear in
Speaker 16: front of the TV cameras as a former TV journalist
Speaker 16: as he was up in Townsville, but I really question
Speaker 16: what he believes. But look, we can't just throw it
Speaker 16: all on him. There's a party room there. What do
Speaker 16: they believe in? Because let me try this one on
Speaker 16: you all. When I was in government, we had David
Speaker 16: Chris Foley, John Paul Langbrook, Tim Mander. He's no longer
Speaker 16: in parliament, but he's the president of the ELMP, and
Speaker 16: it's Lawrence Springboard. There's a whole heap of people who
Speaker 16: are there who were part of a decision to overturn
Speaker 16: the Labor Party's a ban on uranium mining in Queensland.
Speaker 1: So ponder that for a second.
Speaker 16: These people were happy to support an overturn of the
Speaker 16: ban on uranium mining to open up the opportunity to
Speaker 16: export uranium to the world, to make royalties to fund
Speaker 16: Queensland's schools and hospitals, roads, et cetera. Police happy to
Speaker 16: do that. When the Labor Party got in they then
Speaker 16: of course put the band back in place. What does
Speaker 16: the LMP support Now, that's what I question? What would
Speaker 16: these people do? And all the way through the last
Speaker 16: three to six months, Chris O. Fooley's approach to policy
Speaker 16: is I'm going to fix that, and I then question
Speaker 16: I wish the media would do more question because Queenslanders
Speaker 16: deserved to know. How will you fix hospitals? How will
Speaker 16: you fix crime in Queensland. It's not good enough to say, look,
Speaker 16: we've got a plan and we'll do it. That's what
Speaker 16: Daniel Andrews did a decade ago in Victoria and look
Speaker 16: how that turned out. You won't solve youth crime with
Speaker 16: a magic wand and spells and incantations, nor will you
Speaker 16: fix ambulance ramping that way. But that's what David Christoph
Speaker 16: fully in the LMP would have us think they're going
Speaker 16: to do.
Speaker 2: I think Campbell you explained it when you said he
Speaker 2: was a former TV journalist. I mean, heaven forbid you
Speaker 2: allow those TV characters anywhere near politics.
Speaker 1: I always say.
Speaker 6: Keep them well away, Campbell, James kat What is quickly
Speaker 6: a massive native title claim on the Sunshine Coast, parts
Speaker 6: of Nooser, Bribey Island, Glasshouse Mountains, Mount Coolham, even Great
Speaker 6: Keppel Island I think is now subject to a claim.
Speaker 6: People are being assured they've got nothing to worry about.
Speaker 6: Politicians are celebrating this is a great thing. What would
Speaker 6: you say to Queensland, Is it true they've got nothing
Speaker 6: to worry about from these claims?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 16: Channeling the words of Paul Keating about a recession a
Speaker 16: long time, this is the native title moment that Queensland
Speaker 16: was going to have and it goes right back to
Speaker 16: his days and the MARLBO decision. What interstate viewers need
Speaker 16: to understand, perhaps a lot of Queenslanders don't understand there
Speaker 16: are vast areas of land in Queensland that are in
Speaker 16: the crown land and given that their crown land, they
Speaker 16: have always been vulnerable since Marbo and what flowed from
Speaker 16: there to native title claims. Now, the sad thing about
Speaker 16: native title is I don't believe it improves the lot
Speaker 16: of Abergel and Tarres Strait Island to people. Perhaps it
Speaker 16: has in the Torres Strait itself, but it's not really
Speaker 16: about the sort of solutions we need. Be that as
Speaker 16: it may, it is the law of the land. Now
Speaker 16: what concerns us, what should concern us all is what
Speaker 16: it then means for the access rights of everybody else
Speaker 16: that's not indigenous.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 16: For people to say there's nothing to worry about is
Speaker 16: bunk on. That's what Keating told us thirty years ago.
Speaker 16: And it's wrong. I'm in commercial property and I bought
Speaker 16: with my investors an office building in inner City Perth
Speaker 16: last year and you know what, there were two native
Speaker 16: title claims that had been dealt with extinguished in Metro Perth.
Speaker 16: Now that wasn't meant to happen. So I then turned
Speaker 16: to issues like Mount Warning, why can't we climb to
Speaker 16: the top of Mount Warning. I'm glad I did it
Speaker 16: three or four years ago during COVID. What about access
Speaker 16: rights on Stradbroke Island which have been certile to people
Speaker 16: about Morton Island? What about Burham Heads? Are we going
Speaker 16: to be told you can't go here, you can't fish there,
Speaker 16: or you've got to pay for a special license administered
Speaker 16: by say an indigenous group. These are real questions. They
Speaker 16: are not alarmist. That is what has happened around this country.
Speaker 16: We can't climb ULARU anymore?
Speaker 8: Can we?
Speaker 17: Then?
Speaker 8: I could go on exactly this is a pick.
Speaker 16: This is a picnic for lawyers as well. My final
Speaker 16: point the trouble with native title is that then to
Speaker 16: actually try and propose some sort of development, whether it
Speaker 16: be a mine or a tourism resort and agricultural venture,
Speaker 16: you then actually have to sort of sit down. There
Speaker 16: has to be an indigenous land disagreement in indu are
Speaker 16: and these things take years to actually negotiate and that
Speaker 16: stops economic growth.
Speaker 1: Thanks Campbell Newman.
Speaker 2: Always great to chat to you here on Outsiders. That
Speaker 2: was former premiere of Queensland Campbell Newman. Thanks Matte coming
Speaker 2: up more in a tick.
Speaker 1: On outsiders.
Speaker 2: Wakademia, the wacky world of academia, doesn't get any crazier
Speaker 2: or more sinister, in my opinion than University Sydney this
Speaker 2: week doing some weird deal with the pro Gaza pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian supporters whereby and there are accusations or allegations that
Speaker 2: this mob have links or somehow connected with his Teria
Speaker 2: and Rita.
Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
Speaker 2: They've done a deal to allow them to start telling
Speaker 2: Sydney UNI how to invest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're going to get a seat at the working
Speaker 5: group who's going to determine the university's defense and security investments,
Speaker 5: which has been a big part of these protests we
Speaker 5: have seen at universities. And the protesters are overjoyed. They
Speaker 5: see this as a win, and I think they're right
Speaker 5: to see it as a win. It's an absolute bit
Speaker 5: of cowardice from mess This is just giving into terrorism.
Speaker 1: Isn't it.
Speaker 6: It's a message in the face for Jewish students at
Speaker 6: the University of Sydney and huge cowtailing by Mark Scott
Speaker 6: because he made an initial offer which the students rejected
Speaker 6: and so then the university came back with.
Speaker 7: A fresh offer.
Speaker 5: Could have been you're all expelled because you're breaking our rules.
Speaker 5: You can't have encampments on campus.
Speaker 2: Don't send your kids there and start defunding it the
Speaker 2: place as a joke. After the break eighty Patterson here,
Speaker 2: we'll talk more nuclear don't go away back in a tip. Hello,
Speaker 2: you're watching Outsiders, and thank you so much for watching
Speaker 2: Outsiders every Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: And thank you.
Speaker 2: Again this week for making us the number one show
Speaker 2: on Sky News Australia. We certainly do appreciate having you
Speaker 2: as our viewing audience. Well, at the risk of sounding
Speaker 2: like a broken record, may I take the opportunity to
Speaker 2: say that this country must hold a Royal Commission into
Speaker 2: the abuse of power during COVID. When I say the
Speaker 2: abuse of power, I mean the abuse of political power
Speaker 2: and corporate power, and the sinister combination of the two that.
Speaker 1: Forced the lockdown of schools.
Speaker 2: And communities that, in my opinion, served no real purpose
Speaker 2: and did more harm than good, something I repeatedly said
Speaker 2: and questioned.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 2: The abuse of power that saw schools shutting down in
Speaker 2: various states for disparate lengths of time, thus denying an
Speaker 2: entire generation of proper fulfilling childhood of learning and companionship,
Speaker 2: something that we now know to.
Speaker 1: Have been harmful overreach.
Speaker 2: With serious consequences for some, And something I repeatedly said
Speaker 2: and questioned at the time, The abuse of power that
Speaker 2: saw people who had, for example, chosen I have emet
Speaker 2: In as a possible preventative medicine being demonized and mocked
Speaker 2: for that choice, something I said and questioned at the time,
Speaker 2: and for my trouble along with Rita was defamed in
Speaker 2: the Australian Senate. The abusive power that mandated mask wearing,
Speaker 2: social distancing, and all the other crazy COVID nonsense, much
Speaker 2: of which has now been shown to have no genuine
Speaker 2: scientific validity, something I said and questioned at the time,
Speaker 2: And of course, the most grotesque abusive power this nation
Speaker 2: has ever seen, the vaccine mandates, which resulted, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: in a sinister quasi fascist collusion between government and corporate power.
Speaker 2: What angers me and should anger all Australians, is that,
Speaker 2: regardless of whether I and others like me were right
Speaker 2: or wrong on these issues, we were repeatedly silenced, mocked,
Speaker 2: sneered at, and demonized by those same abusive powers. Debate
Speaker 2: and dissent two of the key garrantors of our freedoms
Speaker 2: were denied us, and indeed, alternative opinions, many of which
Speaker 2: have now been proven to be correct, were disgustingly labeled
Speaker 2: misinformation and disinformation. The public square of dissenting opinion was deserted.
Speaker 1: We had the vile.
Speaker 2: Scenario of politicians such as Jinda Ardern in New Zealand
Speaker 2: and authorities here telling us that they.
Speaker 1: Were the sole source of the truth.
Speaker 2: Except, of course, in many instances it now turns out
Speaker 2: they weren't.
Speaker 1: They got it wrong.
Speaker 2: This week, unreported by the ABC and most of the
Speaker 2: mainstream left leaning media, Chris Kobak, the Attorney General of
Speaker 2: the State of Kansas, made this announcement.
Speaker 18: Thank you for being here today. We brought together this
Speaker 18: press conference to make the following announcement, and that is
Speaker 18: today Kansas is filing a civil suit against the Pfiser
Speaker 18: Corporation under the Kansas Consumer Protection Act, seeking enhanced civil
Speaker 18: monetary penalties, damages, and injunctive relief from misleading and deceptive
Speaker 18: statements made in marketing its COVID nineteen vaccine.
Speaker 8: That's got to.
Speaker 1: Folks needs to spell out what this actually means.
Speaker 19: Well, the State of Kansas hitting the Big Farmer's Pfizer
Speaker 19: with a lawsuit claiming the company quote misled the public
Speaker 19: that it had a safe and effective COVID nineteen vaccine,
Speaker 19: even though it knew it was connected to serious adverse
Speaker 19: events I'm quoting there. It hid that information from the public.
Speaker 20: Kansas Attorney General Chris Kobac says that Pfizer violated the
Speaker 20: state's Consumer Protection Act, and he joins us, now, it's
Speaker 20: so great to have you on the program to talk
Speaker 20: about this finally, all these years after there were vaccine mandates,
Speaker 20: and that was something that this administration really pushed hard
Speaker 20: for us. For those of us who wanted to come
Speaker 20: to work and weren't necessarily on board, you had to
Speaker 20: get a shot or you couldn't make a living.
Speaker 2: Indeed, what the TV hosts there said is absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: I knew many many people here in Australia who were
Speaker 2: extremely unhappy about taking the vaccine, but were forced to
Speaker 2: in order to hang on to their jobs. Many who
Speaker 2: refused lost their jobs. Many parents gave the vaccine to
Speaker 2: their offspring, including young women, against their own better judgment
Speaker 2: and with misgivings.
Speaker 1: Their children, their girls, their.
Speaker 2: Teenage boys, and then to add insult to injury forgive
Speaker 2: the pun. We now see authorities in America taking legal
Speaker 2: action against Pfizer for misleading the public about those vaccines.
Speaker 18: In this consumer protection suit against Pfiser is based on
Speaker 18: the fact that they had information that was contrary to
Speaker 18: what they were saying publicly. And I could just give
Speaker 18: you two examples. One is for pregnant women. Weiser stated
Speaker 18: and advertised that it was that the vaccine was safe
Speaker 18: for pregnant women, but as early as October of twenty twenty,
Speaker 18: they had evidence from a study that they did on
Speaker 18: rats showing real complications for pregnancy. And then in February
Speaker 18: of twenty twenty one, they had information from four hundred
Speaker 18: and fifty eight women who took the Pfiser vaccine and
Speaker 18: the majority of them had complications relating to pregnancy. And
Speaker 18: then the other one is myocarditis. The CEO of Pfiser
Speaker 18: publicly stated that there was no link between any myocarditis
Speaker 18: and the COVID vaccine, when in fact they knew that
Speaker 18: there was a link.
Speaker 2: So I will not say what I really think about
Speaker 2: the politicians and the bureaucrats and the businesses and the
Speaker 2: corporations and the media who demonized people for there as
Speaker 2: it turns out, perfectly legitimate concerns over so many aspects
Speaker 2: of the draconian response to COVID, the lockdowns, the masks,
Speaker 2: the alternative therapies, the school closures, the mandates. I hope
Speaker 2: they are capable of sleeping at nine eight. What I
Speaker 2: will say is we need whatever legal avenues against those
Speaker 2: individuals to be explored in this country too, along with,
Speaker 2: as I have said, like a broken record, a Royal
Speaker 2: commission into the abuse of power during COVID. Speaking of debates,
Speaker 2: in the last few weeks, we've had many great guests
Speaker 2: here in the studio with us, but two outstanding guests were,
Speaker 2: of course my old friend from the Spectator, Douglas Murray,
Speaker 2: who the off see on the Rita Panahi show, and
Speaker 2: Natasha Houstorf from UK lawyers for Israel, both of whom
Speaker 2: were in Australia recently. They joined forces this week for
Speaker 2: an extraordinary event in Canada, a debate held by Monk
Speaker 2: Debates where the motion was that anti Zionism is in
Speaker 2: fact anti Semitism, and they were debating Al Jazeera's made
Speaker 2: the Hassan and the Guardians Gideon Levi spoiler alerts. The
Speaker 2: two lefties got absolutely smashed. Tasha and Douglas with the
Speaker 2: ultimate debating weapons of facts, reason, history, and humor is
Speaker 2: a bit of Natasha.
Speaker 21: This debate is about racism and creating a double standard
Speaker 21: where you make an exception for the Jews. Now, you
Speaker 21: don't have to support Zionism, but if you are anti Zionist,
Speaker 21: if you are against the Jews having a state, you
Speaker 21: are against the Jews. Maybe Jahan is lying about what
Speaker 21: Zionism is. We usually hear a series of lies spewed
Speaker 21: by Antithemi and anti Zionists in an attempt to justify
Speaker 21: their anti Zionism.
Speaker 1: And these are the modern blood libel.
Speaker 21: They are widely believed, as widely believed as the ancient
Speaker 21: blood libel the Jews killed Christian children to use their
Speaker 21: blood for religious ritual, as widely believed and as false.
Speaker 2: Natasha then went on to list the form modern blood
Speaker 2: libels against the state of Israel. We're left on the
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian crowd. But I repeat myself, accused Israel of colonialism,
Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide. Natasha argued these accusations are
Speaker 2: themselves anti Semitic, and she turned each of them on
Speaker 2: its head.
Speaker 21: Israel is the ultimate decolonization success story against all odds.
Speaker 21: After Arab imperialism, Islamic conquest, and British colonialism, the Jews
Speaker 21: indigenous to Judaea re established Israel. My family lived under
Speaker 21: Ottoman and then British colonialism in Jerusalem long before Yasa Arafat,
Speaker 21: who was born in Cairo, created Palestinian national identity in
Speaker 21: the sixties. Ethnic cleansing is what happened to eight hundred
Speaker 21: and fifty thousand Jews expelled from Yemen, Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Syria,
Speaker 21: Lebanon and Iraq, where they'd lived for thousands of years.
Speaker 21: Ethnic cleansing left Arab con trees Jew free. Meanwhile, two
Speaker 21: million Arabs live in Israel today. The Bible of Genocide,
Speaker 21: the reprehensible sneer that maliciously accuses the Jews of perpetrating
Speaker 21: the very crimes committed against them. October seventh was the
Speaker 21: latest and long history of genocidal acts by Arabs against
Speaker 21: Jews in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Brilliant Natasha Holstorff, and if she was the brilliant warm
Speaker 2: up back Douglas Murray certainly did not disappoint with his
Speaker 2: withering decimation of his pro Palestinian opponents.
Speaker 1: Madie and Gideon.
Speaker 22: You started with a peroration about me not mentioning the
Speaker 22: Palestinian casualties. That's because I started by.
Speaker 8: Mentioning the war.
Speaker 1: And there is no law of war.
Speaker 22: That says you're allowed to start a war and then
Speaker 22: complain when you lose it.
Speaker 1: He had me at peroration. Only better.
Speaker 22: And if maybe cares about the Palestinian casualtiesus, I'm sure
Speaker 22: he does. Then tell your bosses in Qatar to tell
Speaker 22: their friends in Gaza to stop the war and give
Speaker 22: back the hostages.
Speaker 2: Moral clarity, logic, reason, all sound debating techniques.
Speaker 22: Gibeon says nothing. Israel needs nothing more than criticisms. If
Speaker 22: Israel doesn't get criticism, wow, he doesn't even read his
Speaker 22: own country's press.
Speaker 1: Great line.
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray then went on to point out that all
Speaker 2: those people who so eagerly signal their moral superiority by
Speaker 2: protesting against the deaths in Gaza, but we're nowhere to
Speaker 2: be seen for the last decade, when far more innocent
Speaker 2: people were killed in the many Arab other conflicts within
Speaker 2: the Middle East, where no Jews are involved. Well, they
Speaker 2: are anti Semites, pure and simple, holding Jews to a different,
Speaker 2: completely different standard.
Speaker 22: You know, if you protested not a bit, didn't set
Speaker 22: up a tent when Basha Alasad was killing six times
Speaker 22: a number of people in a decade that Israel and
Speaker 22: all of its enemies have lost in seventy five years
Speaker 22: of war, you are an anti Semite.
Speaker 1: Douglas Murray then drew an analogy that he made on
Speaker 1: this show a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I think maybe he was trying it out on Rita
Speaker 2: James and I to see how it ran. And it's
Speaker 2: a cracker. Why do all those people who have such
Speaker 2: a problem with the un manufactured state of Israel have
Speaker 2: no problem whatsoever with that other un manufactured state of
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight Pakistan.
Speaker 22: I reckon that if this debate tonight without Pakistan, Pakistan
Speaker 22: started a lot of wars, it suffered a lot of wars,
Speaker 22: it suffered a lot of casualties, caused a lot of casualties.
Speaker 22: But you know what, if somebody said, I don't I
Speaker 22: think Pakistan should be abolished.
Speaker 1: They just don't have the right to estate.
Speaker 22: And although they had one set up for them, many
Speaker 22: decades ago, we should abolish it. I think people would
Speaker 22: say hmm. And then if the person said, oh, by
Speaker 22: the way, although I want to abolish that state, I
Speaker 22: have no problem with the Pakistani people. Please please, of
Speaker 22: course you would.
Speaker 8: Great stuff.
Speaker 2: Douglas then emphasized how the leaders of Hamas have been explicit,
Speaker 2: explicit in their determination to annihilate, yes, annihilate as per
Speaker 2: the Holocaust, the Jewish people. As Douglas said, when Yaa
Speaker 2: Sinoa says he wants to rip the heart out of
Speaker 2: the Jews, it isn't just rhetoric. Things then got very
Speaker 2: heated with his two lefty opponents when Douglas pointed out
Speaker 2: that the Biden administration has been funding the Array and
Speaker 2: terrorist regime, even more devastatingly for Maidi, who works for
Speaker 2: Al Jazeera. Douglas Murray then made the point that made
Speaker 2: the comments about the Israeli hostages would quote come a
Speaker 2: lot better if a contributor to Al Jazeera had not
Speaker 2: been discovered last week holding a hostage in his own home.
Speaker 1: Ouch.
Speaker 2: But as I always say, and as Donald Trump knows,
Speaker 2: as Nigel Farage knows, the ultimate weapon in any debate
Speaker 2: against the left is, as always the devastating use of humor.
Speaker 1: You said you went to Garda.
Speaker 8: You went to Gaza.
Speaker 22: When the world's media is not allowed into Gaza, they
Speaker 22: tell you into Gaza.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there were nor poats to go
Speaker 1: into Gaza.
Speaker 22: One is with the idea, for which is what I
Speaker 22: did and what most Western journalists have done.
Speaker 1: The other is to go in with Hermas. You could
Speaker 1: probably go in with Hermaz. I can't bingo.
Speaker 2: When Dunks, Natasha Holstorff and Douglas Murray won the debate
Speaker 2: sixty six to thirty four, you can watch it on
Speaker 2: Monk Debates to riotous applause.
Speaker 1: Now sixty six to thirty four. That's good and.
Speaker 2: Not dissimilar ratio by which the no case won the
Speaker 2: Voice debate here in Australia last year sixty one thirty nine.
Speaker 2: In fact, I have repeatedly argued whether it is the
Speaker 2: transgender debate, the climate debate, questions about race, questions about mandates, authoritarianism,
Speaker 2: or the debate about virtually any single so called culture
Speaker 2: or issue, including nuclear power, Conservative reasoning, rational thought, and
Speaker 2: sound debate based on information, logic and persuasion will always
Speaker 2: win by at least a sixty forty margin. All conservatives
Speaker 2: need to do is debate those propositions. Don't avoid them,
Speaker 2: don't run away from them. Debate them, sticking to facts,
Speaker 2: conviction and historical precedents, and.
Speaker 1: You will win. Now you know why the modern left have.
Speaker 2: Abolished all those school debating societies. Well, let's get into
Speaker 2: the nuclear debate with an absolute leading world expert. He's
Speaker 2: here in the studio former CEO of Anstowe, dr Ad Patterson.
Speaker 1: Great to have you here. Ad.
Speaker 2: You did a cracker of an interview on the ABC
Speaker 2: during the week you ran Lucas Heights for a while.
Speaker 2: You're a world renowned nuclear expert. The ABC it was
Speaker 2: a fantastic interview because you completely.
Speaker 1: Blew them out of the water. They didn't know where
Speaker 1: to look or what to do.
Speaker 2: And we're desperate to get you off and it's quite
Speaker 2: difficult to now find that particular interview on the ABC site.
Speaker 1: What a surprise. Now let's get stuck into it.
Speaker 2: Why should Australia, in your opinion, be a nuclear power.
Speaker 23: I think we can't afford not to be a nuclear power.
Speaker 23: I think the big challenge we're now facing, which is
Speaker 23: depressing to me, is that we are in a massive
Speaker 23: thought bubble about how we can get electrons from solar
Speaker 23: panels and wind turbines, both of which I worked on
Speaker 23: in the nineteen nineties and nearly two thousands and came
Speaker 23: to the conclusion that they would not work. Everybody thinks
Speaker 23: that solar panels are new. The first solar panel revolution
Speaker 23: happened twenty years ago and it failed. But my fear
Speaker 23: for the Sydney Basin is what I call the big hailstorm.
Speaker 23: What we don't know that is already we're facing solar
Speaker 23: panel risk. If we get a mega hailstorm across the
Speaker 23: Sydney Basin, we will lose a power literally a power plant.
Speaker 23: We used to build big plants out in the bush.
Speaker 23: Our power plant, now given to us by a EMO
Speaker 23: is the rooftops of Sydney. When the big hailstorm comes,
Speaker 23: and a big hailstorm will come in the next twenty years,
Speaker 23: we will lose five hundred megawatts of power in the
Speaker 23: Sydney Basin, which is keeping the lights on. And that
Speaker 23: is a emo's plant, because these hail will smash the
Speaker 23: panels on our roofs and the lights will go out.
Speaker 8: That's the plant.
Speaker 23: Build bigger solar panels out in the bush where they
Speaker 23: also have hailstorms. I don't think that any body's done
Speaker 23: the risk management, or the control or the thought about
Speaker 23: what this will mean for us. The same for wind turbines.
Speaker 23: Wind turbines last for about twenty years. The big wind
Speaker 23: turbines are now seven megawatts. That is a massive machine.
Speaker 23: In the Sydney Basin. They work thirty seven percent of
Speaker 23: the time, summarizing two days out of every five. Everybody
Speaker 23: says to me eighty, but the wind's always blowing somewhere.
Speaker 8: No, it's not.
Speaker 23: It's highly related across Eastern Australia. Now, if somebody said
Speaker 23: to you, I'm going to give you a car, it's
Speaker 23: really wonderful, it's completely green, but you can only use
Speaker 23: it two days out of five, what would you say?
Speaker 23: Probably not. I'm going to give you a really wonderful
Speaker 23: solar car, but you know you work in an emergency
Speaker 23: room at a hospital, or you run the sewage plants,
Speaker 23: or you have to get to the airport to bring the.
Speaker 8: Aircraft after dark.
Speaker 23: I'm afraid you can't use this car if it's not
Speaker 23: charged up after dyk. We're building a world where solar panels,
Speaker 23: wind turbines, which are flaky resources. Germany has already failed
Speaker 23: and is de industrializing. I think it's possible that BMW
Speaker 23: will move out of Germany in the next five years
Speaker 23: because Munich now is a little bubble of failed plans,
Speaker 23: which is the AEMO plan. My own view is that
Speaker 23: AEMO should be completely restructured. It should be brought back
Speaker 23: into the real world, not animal farm, you know, animal farm. Frankly,
Speaker 23: I think animal farmer is a little bit kind to
Speaker 23: the AEMO paradigm at the moment. Really, what I'm saying
Speaker 23: with humor is that I'm deeply worried. I think the
Speaker 23: Australia that we love is on the edge of a cliff.
Speaker 23: I think that we have got a thought bubble and
Speaker 23: an animal farm in Canberra and a EMO, and I
Speaker 23: think we're in big trouble.
Speaker 5: And we're not looking at the overseas experience. We're not
Speaker 5: looking at Germany, for example. And we keep hearing this
Speaker 5: mantra from the renewables, not just the renewable sector, but
Speaker 5: also most of our politicians that nuclear is the most
Speaker 5: expensive form of energy, and then we had that CSIRO
Speaker 5: gen cost report come out saying the same thing. Nuclear
Speaker 5: is going to be far more expensive than renewables.
Speaker 3: What's your response to that.
Speaker 23: The gen Cost Report looks at one reactor which is
Speaker 23: being built in Finland. It's a gigawatts scale. That's a
Speaker 23: thousand megawatts. I'm not proposing that we build and I
Speaker 23: haven't proposed that we build gigawatt scale reactors in Australia
Speaker 23: for the last two years, but people are not listening.
Speaker 23: I think we should be building reactors at the scale
Speaker 23: of a large wind turbine. There are reactors being built
Speaker 23: in the world today that are five megaw reactors. I've
Speaker 23: just told you that a big wind turbine is seven megawatts.
Speaker 23: Now what are you going to choose? A five megawatt
Speaker 23: reactor or a seven megawatt wind turbine one that's going
Speaker 23: to be on all the time, that connect into the
Speaker 23: grid that you've already got. It's very close to an
Speaker 23: existing power source. It's got a safety case, which is
Speaker 23: the container on the pad. You don't need a ten
Speaker 23: kilometer safety zone. These are already licensed. I mean in
Speaker 23: Idaho they're building one of these things. Bill Gates is
Speaker 23: building a molten salt reactor in Yo. These are actual,
Speaker 23: real projects that are being built now. The great thing
Speaker 23: about them is that we already have a supply chain
Speaker 23: in Australia. Because these reactors are smaller than the Opal reactor,
Speaker 23: which has a twenty megawatt core is we've already approved
Speaker 23: that in Australia. So I think we've got to move
Speaker 23: away from the gigawatts and fear and move to the megawatts.
Speaker 2: And you've called the gen cost reported a con gen
Speaker 2: con call it.
Speaker 8: Gen Con report. It's worse than that.
Speaker 23: It's it's actually a form of fascism. It is put
Speaker 23: together by an economist with a master's degree and a
Speaker 23: person who is a proponent of wavepower. It's not the
Speaker 23: CSIRO report. It's ten spreadsheets which are sold to the
Speaker 23: Australian public as if it's mandated by somebody who can
Speaker 23: spell nuclear. It has not a single ounce of ability.
Speaker 23: I believe that we could have a new report. In fact,
Speaker 23: I was talking to one of my colleagues that we're
Speaker 23: going to start at or start up to do this,
Speaker 23: to take out the gen con narrative and to create
Speaker 23: reports for a municipality level, for each municipality of what
Speaker 23: nuclear could do with you for you with these smaller
Speaker 23: plants that I'm talking about. Some of these plants could
Speaker 23: literally be in our backyard within five to seven years.
Speaker 23: That's the build time. It's about the same duration as
Speaker 23: a wind turbine project, a big wind to burn project takes.
Speaker 23: We just have to change about the paradigm. We lift
Speaker 23: the ban, we take the power away from the central
Speaker 23: government and we give it back to state governments.
Speaker 7: Chams Adie just quickly.
Speaker 6: The UAE, they've got lots of sun as we do,
Speaker 6: but they've introduced nuclear. What's happened to the price of
Speaker 6: electricity since they've gone nuclear.
Speaker 23: Well, first of all, it's become much better quality, so
Speaker 23: you can keep your industry going. And the other great
Speaker 23: thing about it is that they've really solved the problem
Speaker 23: of all the the gas and other plants that they
Speaker 23: were using. Now they built big ones because they had
Speaker 23: a big problem, but the people in other communities are
Speaker 23: building small ones. So the UAE actually built big plants.
Speaker 23: First one seven years, second one five years. It's just
Speaker 23: wrong to suggest that it takes too long, cost too much.
Speaker 23: What costs too much is not being strategic. Nuclear is complicated,
Speaker 23: but hey, we can deal with complexity.
Speaker 8: We're Australia and you.
Speaker 1: Reckon the cost will come down with nuclear energy in
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 23: I am absolutely certain because I'm an expert on the grid,
Speaker 23: not just nuclear.
Speaker 8: The cost at defence.
Speaker 23: You pay more for the cost of defence of the plant,
Speaker 23: but the cost in the home goes down to one third.
Speaker 23: We know this from Finland their big expense of late
Speaker 23: nuclear plant when they switched it on the price of
Speaker 23: electricity to finish computer consumers went to thirty percent.
Speaker 2: Fantastic done, brilliant eighty Patterson, Thanks so much for talking
Speaker 2: to us. Fountain knowledge there on nuclear energy and.
Speaker 1: There's so much more we could talk about there.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on Outsiders today. In a tick,
Speaker 2: what's more coming up here on Outsiders?
Speaker 6: Welcome back to Outsiders. Well, Australia lost a great man
Speaker 6: last week.
Speaker 8: Don't worry.
Speaker 6: The Archbishop of Hobart is very much alive. It's just that,
Speaker 6: at age seventy five, Julian Porteus has now reached the
Speaker 6: age at which bishops must retire. Who says American politics
Speaker 6: couldn't learn something from the Catholic Church.
Speaker 7: But I digress.
Speaker 6: With the bishop's retirement, it's worth remembering how he rose
Speaker 6: to national prominence in the first place. It was during
Speaker 6: the same sex marriage debate that Julian Portius wrote a
Speaker 6: booklet entitled Don't Mess with Marriage. It never occurred to
Speaker 6: him that the Tasmanian Anti discrimination commissioner was about to
Speaker 6: mess with him. The Catholic bishop was merely doing what
Speaker 6: Catholic bishops do. He wrote a booklet outlining Catholic doctrine
Speaker 6: for Catholic parents who were interested in Catholic teaching, and
Speaker 6: that's when a transgendered activist and federal Green's candidate stepped in.
Speaker 6: The activists complained to the commission that the booklet Catholic
Speaker 6: doctrine was insulting.
Speaker 24: The Catholic Church says its booklet is respectful, but it
Speaker 24: actually causes immeasurable harm to same sex couples and their families,
Speaker 24: particularly those who are students, parents, or teachers within the
Speaker 24: Catholic education system. As mayors know from our history what
Speaker 24: damage prejudice can cause, and now, wisely, we have laws
Speaker 24: to prevent this harm.
Speaker 7: As well as an apology.
Speaker 6: The activists demanded that Catholic Education implement a and I
Speaker 6: quote lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersect awareness program for
Speaker 6: all Catholic staff and students, kind of like how the
Speaker 6: Sydney Gay Mardi Gras has a Catholic awareness program for
Speaker 6: We'll hang on.
Speaker 7: No, they don't.
Speaker 24: All I'm asking is the Church turn its rhetoric of
Speaker 24: respect for all into reality.
Speaker 6: It actually sounded a little bit like asking that the
Speaker 6: church turn its doctrine into LGBTQ plus rehtoric. In Tasmania,
Speaker 6: it's illegal to engage in conduct that insults someone on
Speaker 6: the basis of their sexual orientation if it's reasonable to
Speaker 6: anticipate that someone might be insulted. In other words, you
Speaker 6: have to anticipate the feelings of complete strangers before you
Speaker 6: say anything. And failing to correctly anticipate how your words
Speaker 6: might make someone who you've never met feel well, that
Speaker 6: can put you in breach of the law. And this
Speaker 6: was Bishop Porteus's mistake. He should have anticipated that a
Speaker 6: transgendered activist might intercept his letter to Catholic parents and
Speaker 6: be suddenly offended by Catholic teaching that's been well known
Speaker 6: for two thousand years. Here's Bishop Porteus speaking at the time.
Speaker 25: I appreciate that some may find this teaching difficult to accept.
Speaker 25: I simply wish to clearly express yes the teaching of
Speaker 25: the Catholic Church. The Church respects the dignity of every person.
Speaker 25: It does not condemn people. It does seek to serve
Speaker 25: people and the society by presenting his understanding of what
Speaker 25: marriage and family are intended to be. And this is
Speaker 25: based on what the Sacred Scriptures teach.
Speaker 6: Tasmanian's then anti discrimination commissioner, Robin Banks, great name for
Speaker 6: a public servant, if ever there was one, concluded that
Speaker 6: the complaint against Bishop Porteus had merit. Miss Banks attempted
Speaker 6: what the anti discrimination tribunal called conciliation. Conciliation means the
Speaker 6: act of stopping someone from being angry. So if Catholic
Speaker 6: doctrine makes you angry, the Antidiscrimination Commission will facilitate conciliation
Speaker 6: because the state is now responsible to help you manage
Speaker 6: your feelings when you hear bits of.
Speaker 8: The Bible that you don't like.
Speaker 6: Many reports at the time said that all the activist
Speaker 6: wanted was for the Catholic Church to make amendments to
Speaker 6: its booklet on marriage. Bishop Portius must have felt so stupid.
Speaker 6: How much time he could have saved, how much trouble
Speaker 6: he could have saved if only he had allowed activists
Speaker 6: to edit Catholic doctrine before he preached it, and while
Speaker 6: he was at it, he could have had activists run
Speaker 6: their eye over the doctrine of the virgin Birth, the Crucifixion,
Speaker 6: the Resurrection, and the return of Christ, just to make
Speaker 6: sure they were all LGBTQ plus compliant. Well, when the
Speaker 6: Catholic Church refused to change its two thousand year old
Speaker 6: doctrine on the say so of an activist, and when
Speaker 6: the activist refused to accept the bishop's statement of regret
Speaker 6: for causing offense, the Anti discrimination Commissioner decided the matter
Speaker 6: would go to a tribunal hearing. Well, the activists eventually
Speaker 6: dropped the complaint and later went on to become the
Speaker 6: first biological man to be recognized on Tasmania's Honor Roll
Speaker 6: of Women. Bishop Portius, however, was left with a legal
Speaker 6: bill totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars and the mental
Speaker 6: toll of having spent a year agonizing over whether or
Speaker 6: not he would be criminalized for expressing his andcerely held
Speaker 6: Christian beliefs to other Christians. The activists could afford to
Speaker 6: drop the case against Catholic bishop. Because activists don't need
Speaker 6: a favorable judgment in order to win. They merely need
Speaker 6: to make an example of one minister and a thousand
Speaker 6: other ministers across the country not wanting the expense or
Speaker 6: the stress of being dragged before the courts, or they
Speaker 6: can be counted on to censor themselves, but not Archbishop Porteus.
Speaker 7: One of his final.
Speaker 6: Acts just last month was to write a letter to
Speaker 6: the church reaffirming the Christian view on gender, sexuality and
Speaker 6: the sanctity of life. Well predictably, the letter was immediately
Speaker 6: condemned by a quality Tasmania President Rowan Richardson, who told
Speaker 6: the ABC and I quote this letter has a number
Speaker 6: of misinformation and disinformation and also some homophobic and transphobic
Speaker 6: beliefs in it. Now that's a very modern way of
Speaker 6: saying I don't like what the archbishop said. Tasmanian Green's
Speaker 6: leader Rosalie w also condemned the letter, telling the ABC
Speaker 6: she would and I quote consider what the next step
Speaker 6: should be.
Speaker 7: What does she mean by next step? A cup of
Speaker 7: tea and all lie down.
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: Joining us now is former senior advisors to Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: Christian Whitten. Christian Great to see you again, well, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump and the debate coming up this week. So what
Speaker 2: are you expecting from the debate with Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Will Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Manage to find his way to the podium, or we'll
Speaker 2: be wandering around at the wrong podium or looking for
Speaker 2: the door out the back or whatever.
Speaker 1: What are you expecting, Christian.
Speaker 26: Well, certainly, if the G seven was any indication, he
Speaker 26: will be wandering off and staring blankly into the distance.
Speaker 26: But there's a little bit of a problem that's you know,
Speaker 26: with debates, it's not just performance, it's expectations. You know,
Speaker 26: I think this is ancient history now, but going back,
Speaker 26: you know, Dan Quail, the Vice president in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 26: failed bad in his debate. Ninety two comes along, everyone
Speaker 26: expects him to do poorly. I think he actually beat
Speaker 26: Al Gore, but because the expectation game everyone, it actually
Speaker 26: came out as a wash. Today, everyone is expecting Joe
Speaker 26: Biden to do so poorly based on his recent performances.
Speaker 1: All he has to do.
Speaker 26: Is sort of get through it without a massive embarrassment
Speaker 26: and just the usual sort of small number of gaffes,
Speaker 26: sort of like the State.
Speaker 1: Of the Union.
Speaker 26: And people might say he's going to do well The
Speaker 26: big problem is is that I'm not sure debates have
Speaker 26: the impact that they used to do, especially when in
Speaker 26: this case there is no newcomer. We have four years
Speaker 26: of Biden, can compare that to four years of Trump,
Speaker 26: and voters can render their judgment based on that.
Speaker 5: Well, the polling is very interesting. Indeed, polling in recent
Speaker 5: day shows Trump is ahead in every swing state, and
Speaker 5: there's also been some analysis on the swing states that
Speaker 5: are the most ethnically diverse are the ones more likely
Speaker 5: to favor Trump.
Speaker 3: So tell me about that coalition he's.
Speaker 5: Building of Hispanic voters trying to attract black voters. You've
Speaker 5: always been such a such supporters of the Democrats in
Speaker 5: recent decades.
Speaker 26: Right, and Trump even giving a visiting Detroit, a majority
Speaker 26: black city somewhere, a city that's been majority black for
Speaker 26: about a century, and also doing things like holding rallies
Speaker 26: in the Bronx. These are non traditional places that Republicans go.
Speaker 26: In fact, New York City and It's five boroughs very democratic.
Speaker 26: The Bronx is the most democratic and still drying a
Speaker 26: big crowd. I would still be pretty surprised if New
Speaker 26: York City or New York State goes for Trump. But
Speaker 26: he is making big inroads.
Speaker 1: And if you look at.
Speaker 26: The board, the Democrats have to win almost all of
Speaker 26: the swing states, including the two heavyweights, which are Michigan
Speaker 26: and Pennsylvania. If Republicans win either Michigan or Pennsylvan, then
Speaker 26: the night's over. Donald Trump will be the next president.
Speaker 26: And if you look Trump, it's close in Michigan and
Speaker 26: it's close in Pennsylvania. But he's farther ahead in other
Speaker 26: swing states. Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, which has been trending Democrat
Speaker 26: in recent elections, is looking good for him. Ohio used
Speaker 26: to be a swing state.
Speaker 1: It's not anymore.
Speaker 26: Florida used to be a swing state. He's ahead comfortably there.
Speaker 26: So a lot can happen and a lot can be wrong.
Speaker 1: With poles, polls.
Speaker 26: Tend to become a little less accurate now that we're
Speaker 26: into summer, after a Memorial Day, which is the traditional
Speaker 26: start of the summer in America. But things are looking
Speaker 26: fairly decent right now.
Speaker 6: James Christian talk to us about what the world might
Speaker 6: look like if Trump is successful. I mean, it's on
Speaker 6: fire during the Biden administration. But Trump says he'll fix Ukraine,
Speaker 6: He'll do something different in the Middle East. What will
Speaker 6: the world look like? Foreign policyise if he gets up.
Speaker 26: Right and he has the benefit of being a challenger
Speaker 26: where you don't actually have to go into could detail.
Speaker 26: But the public doesn't expect that. America is a fairly
Speaker 26: insular country. Foreign policy can get you in trouble as
Speaker 26: a presidential candidate, but seldom does that.
Speaker 1: Win you votes.
Speaker 26: But having said that again, we have four years of
Speaker 26: experience with Trump. Trump gave I think, the benefit of
Speaker 26: the doubt to China. You may recall in his first
Speaker 26: year in office, he had a summon at mar A Lago.
Speaker 26: There were four pillars, no one remembers what they are.
Speaker 26: He gave it a mini trade deal to China. But
Speaker 26: then China inflicted the coronavirus on the world and has
Speaker 26: not accounted for that or come clean about its origins.
Speaker 26: So I think you'd see a second Trump term without
Speaker 26: as much chaos and without as much groping for what
Speaker 26: America first policy really means. Robert O'Brien, who was the
Speaker 26: final national security of the four that Trump had, I
Speaker 26: would say he was the only good one, wrote something
Speaker 26: recently in Foreign Affairs and Establishment Magazine here, But saying
Speaker 26: basically it would be a return to Ronald Reagan's style
Speaker 26: peace through strength, meaning we don't go abroad looking to
Speaker 26: do nation building. We're trying to pull back on the
Speaker 26: counter insurgency operations in Middle Eastern backwaters no one has
Speaker 26: heard about. And Trump does want to negotiate with Russia,
Speaker 26: which for some reason is controversial here. But perhaps most
Speaker 26: significantly in that O'Brien essay that he wrote in Foreign Affairs,
Speaker 26: is a major shift in attention to the Pacific, to
Speaker 26: the Endo Pacific, including deploying the entire US Marine Corps
Speaker 26: there as it was in World War Two, and a
Speaker 26: big naval focus, less focus on counterinsurgency, and a strategic
Speaker 26: delinkage with the Chinese economy.
Speaker 2: And I gather Christian that you're being very humble because
Speaker 2: you did have a role in that article in the
Speaker 2: Robot O'Brian peace. So and Trump listens to you guys
Speaker 2: the Middle East, as James was saying, you know, he
Speaker 2: gave us the abram Accords, et cetera. Is there you
Speaker 2: know that's a major focus Trump, isn't it If he
Speaker 2: gets back in.
Speaker 1: I think it would have to be.
Speaker 26: You know, everyone would love to move beyond the Middle
Speaker 26: East and focus on bigger threats. I think the United
Speaker 26: States and Australia probably more concerned about China. We'd love
Speaker 26: to focus attention there, but the Middle East always seems
Speaker 26: to pop back up. You know, he's going to inherit
Speaker 26: a very bad situation. Iran is just four years farther
Speaker 26: down the road. It has a virtual nuclear weapons capability.
Speaker 26: It has the advanced uranium centrifuges. A uranium bomb is
Speaker 26: particularly scary because you don't have to master implosion or
Speaker 26: some of the precision timing and neutron initiation. The bomb
Speaker 26: we dropped on Hiroshima uranium bomb. We didn't even test
Speaker 26: it before. We were so certain it would work. The
Speaker 26: bomb that was tested before was actually a plutonium bomb.
Speaker 26: So long story short, you have the potential of a
Speaker 26: nuclear breakout in the Middle East, and will countries like
Speaker 26: Saudi Arabia take the word of any administration, Republican or
Speaker 26: Democrat that they are under the US nuclear umbrella. They
Speaker 26: want nuclear weapons themselves. So you have that situation. You
Speaker 26: have a situation where Iran is really feeling like it
Speaker 26: it's pushing on an open door where it can you know,
Speaker 26: basically terrorize the Red Sea through it's hoothy proxy army.
Speaker 26: It's at war with Israel, with Hamas and also with Hesblas.
Speaker 26: So Donald Trump did turn this situation around before again
Speaker 26: using sort of a military show of force. But he's
Speaker 26: going to hear a very different situation that's more dangerous
Speaker 26: and also a fiscal crisis in the United States where
Speaker 26: we spend seven trillion dollars every year despite the lack
Speaker 26: of a national emergency, and two trillion of that is
Speaker 26: borrowed up to about one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Of GDP on debt.
Speaker 26: So I think you'd see a much stronger resolve in
Speaker 26: the Middle East, but not necessarily a quick switch row.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Christian Witton, thanks for chatting to us here on outside.
Speaker 2: Is always great to chat to you, because I think
Speaker 2: a few.
Speaker 1: Months and years aheads coming up clown show in It's.
Speaker 8: Roll Up, Roll Up.
Speaker 1: It's the craziest, wackier show in town. It's the Candra
Speaker 1: clown Show.
Speaker 2: And this week's lion Tamer Peter Dutton really put the
Speaker 2: cat among the pigeons inside the Burley Griffin Big Top
Speaker 2: with his nuclear energy policy.
Speaker 9: What fun We've looked at the International experience. We've looked
Speaker 9: at why Australians are paying the highest electricity prices in
Speaker 9: the world. We've looked at the expert advice from the
Speaker 9: regulator who's now telling us that under labors renewables only
Speaker 9: policy there is a greater likelihood of blackouts and brownouts.
Speaker 9: We know that the government has a renewables only policy
Speaker 9: which is just not fit for purpose. No other country
Speaker 9: in the world can keep the lights on twenty four
Speaker 9: to seven with the renewables only policy.
Speaker 2: All perfectly true in all common sense, and the answer
Speaker 2: is nuclear energy. On top of which, if you happen
Speaker 2: to believe we need to lower our carb and emissions,
Speaker 2: well nuclear does that too. Mister Dutton then went on
Speaker 2: to outline a plan for seven nuclear power plants to
Speaker 2: provide baseload along with more gas and renewables as part
Speaker 2: of the mix. Sensible Australians around the nation nodded in
Speaker 2: agreement and heaved a sigh of relief, even from beyond
Speaker 2: the grave. Yes, Bob Hawk, as recently as twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: at the Woodford Festival was busy selling the very same idea,
Speaker 2: saying quote, the time has come. This is Bob Hawk's words,
Speaker 2: the time has come when we've got to think big.
Speaker 2: If we're going to face the big issues of our time,
Speaker 2: we're going to have to be prepared to think about
Speaker 2: changes that are quite radical.
Speaker 8: This is Bob Hawk.
Speaker 1: He went on. Nuclear power would be a win.
Speaker 2: For the environment and an essential part of the attacking
Speaker 2: that must be made on this grievous and dangerous global warming.
Speaker 2: It would be, said Bob Hawk, a big win for
Speaker 2: the global environment and a win for Australia. He could
Speaker 2: not have put it any clearer than that. Were they
Speaker 2: not such a bunch of clowns, the Albozo troop would
Speaker 2: have simply agreed with Peter Dutton and legislator to remove
Speaker 2: the moratorium on nuclear power.
Speaker 1: But where would be the fun in that.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 2: Instead, true to form, the clown show went into top gear,
Speaker 2: led of course by Albozo.
Speaker 27: Himself, one of your predecording care a much loved figure
Speaker 27: in your party, and beyond that, the late great Bob Hawk.
Speaker 1: He said in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 27: Nuclear power would be a win for the environment and
Speaker 27: an essential part of attacking dangerous global warming.
Speaker 1: Why not at least consider it.
Speaker 10: Let's beically here. Bob Hawk can't speak for himself. So
Speaker 10: I think it's pretty that the coalition attempting to use
Speaker 10: are quite out of context as well of.
Speaker 1: My dear late friend Bob Hawk. Sorry albozare you not
Speaker 1: going to get away with that one?
Speaker 2: Mister Hawk can speak for himself, and indeed he did
Speaker 2: at the Woodford Festival in front of thousands of people.
Speaker 1: That's his legacy.
Speaker 2: Those words were mister Hawk's full and honest and unqualified opinion,
Speaker 2: and very much not taken out of context, but rather
Speaker 2: squarely within the context of political debate, delivered at a
Speaker 2: hippie festival, no less, to an adoring bunch of lefties.
Speaker 2: The rest of the clown troop then fell all over
Speaker 2: each other, desperately trying to outdo Albozo in the silliness stakes.
Speaker 1: Have a listen to.
Speaker 2: Defense clown miles struggling to admit that labor is happy
Speaker 2: to attack the cost of nuclear energy, but hasn't the
Speaker 2: faintest clue about the cost of.
Speaker 1: Their own renewables. What's the cost of the total renewables
Speaker 1: roll out?
Speaker 28: Well, what we are, what we're seeing with renewables is
Speaker 28: and this is the big difference tod ape compared to
Speaker 28: where we were at a decade or fifteen years ago.
Speaker 28: Is that the cheapest form of energy in the system
Speaker 28: is renewable energy. Yeah, but what's the total cost our
Speaker 28: energy price? Well, the answer to the question around price
Speaker 28: is that we've seen a dramatic drop in the wholesale
Speaker 28: energy price as a result of seeing more renewables into
Speaker 28: the grid.
Speaker 1: And is it over a trillion? Is it over a
Speaker 1: trillion dollars?
Speaker 28: Well, I mean you can pick out figures over particular.
Speaker 8: Periods of time, but you don't know the total cost.
Speaker 28: Well, what we know is that energy prices, wholesale energy
Speaker 28: prices are going down.
Speaker 2: Well, what a clown shoh, But what was passed for
Speaker 2: intelligent debate from labor That is what you get. The
Speaker 2: rest of the circus opted for silly scare tactics and
Speaker 2: memes like this one or this silly image plus somewhat dangerously,
Speaker 2: I would have thought they borrowed the slogan from the
Speaker 2: voice if you don't know, No, that's a bit risky.
Speaker 1: But then they just got downright silly. Mind you.
Speaker 2: It's a clown show, So I guess they can be
Speaker 2: forgiven with this snow white and the seven nuclear reacts
Speaker 2: eye which failed spectacularly in the human Mistakes, and then
Speaker 2: they became obsessed with creatures with three eyes, like this
Speaker 2: gag from just into Alan more three eyed creatures.
Speaker 15: Here.
Speaker 2: Even Andrew Lee, supposedly the brainy member of the clown show,
Speaker 2: he got in on the three eyed act as well. Still,
Speaker 2: I always say what's good for the goose is good
Speaker 2: for the gander. So it wasn't long before Alboso himself
Speaker 2: had gained that all important.
Speaker 1: Third nuclear eye. But the clown show.
Speaker 2: Was really just warming up, and I think it's got
Speaker 2: a lot long way to go. Here's Albow's latest argument
Speaker 2: against efficient, reliable, permanent based load power.
Speaker 10: If you go outside hit astray, you can fry an
Speaker 10: egg on a footpath during the summer. We had the
Speaker 10: best solar resources in the world.
Speaker 8: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: Who needs reliable energy when ozzies can simply duck outside
Speaker 2: and fry up an egg and breakfast on the pavement?
Speaker 2: Is this serious? Bring on the next selection? I say
Speaker 2: it cannot come soon enough. Meanwhile, over in London, Elbows
Speaker 2: fellow labor clowns were busy performing a circus act all
Speaker 2: of their very own as they hurtle towards what looks
Speaker 2: like being the most left wing government in Europe under
Speaker 2: the woful cure Starmer. Here is the next Prime Minister
Speaker 2: of Britain chatting to the left wing mayor of London,
Speaker 2: the equally appalling Saddi Khan. See if you can spot
Speaker 2: watch really closely, see if you spot whether there's anything
Speaker 2: any word, I don't know, any conceptual thing perhaps or
Speaker 2: a phrase that strikes you as missing from this particular
Speaker 2: insightful exchange.
Speaker 29: One of the things that is coming up over and
Speaker 29: over again is Islamophobia. And when you can see the stats,
Speaker 29: you can see the numbers rising, particularly since October the seventh.
Speaker 29: Although we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that
Speaker 29: before October the seventh this was all heading in the
Speaker 29: right direction. It's been far too high for far too long. Clearly,
Speaker 29: we need to just say over and over again, Islamophobia
Speaker 29: is intolerable. It can never ever be justified, and we
Speaker 29: have to continue with the zero tolerance approach. And I
Speaker 29: think there's more we can do in government. The certainly
Speaker 29: stuff online, which I think needs tackling much more robustly
Speaker 29: than it is at the moment.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping cares.
Speaker 5: Your experience as a prosecutor means you'll be thinking about
Speaker 5: the strategy we can use to make sure we say
Speaker 5: action against those who.
Speaker 7: Break the law.
Speaker 2: Oh great, right, Oh, just to be clear, the next
Speaker 2: British Prime Minister intends to take strong action, especially but
Speaker 2: not exclusively, in the light of October seventh, to crack
Speaker 2: down on is lama phobia rights. Like I said, don't
Speaker 2: think low labor clown shows are restricted exclusively to these shores.
Speaker 2: But back to the burning issue of the week. Remember
Speaker 2: that hilarious old clown, professor Tim Flannery, the genius who
Speaker 2: came up with lines like this one that still gets
Speaker 2: a laugh seventeen years on.
Speaker 27: Even the rain at Falls isn't actually going to Fillo
Speaker 27: dams and our river system.
Speaker 2: Look outside, Tim, Yes, well that's Tim's kind of disappeared
Speaker 2: now from the circus limelight these days. But fear not,
Speaker 2: the Climate Council that he is still a member of
Speaker 2: has no shortage of clowns busily learning their lines about
Speaker 2: the terror of nuclear power.
Speaker 30: What mister Dutton's asking us to do is just let
Speaker 30: things burn, let the climate burn. Their so called plan,
Speaker 30: which is just a scheme, is to let climate pollution
Speaker 30: bleoarn out of control, driving black summers, driving floods like
Speaker 30: twenty twenty two, and we can't afford to just let
Speaker 30: things burn.
Speaker 2: That's Greg Mullins, a real climate kook. Personally, I would
Speaker 2: have thought that this mob would have welcomed nuclear energy,
Speaker 2: which after all, has zero emissions.
Speaker 17: But oh no, Hi everyone, Amanda Mackenzie, the CEO of
Speaker 17: the Climate Council.
Speaker 3: It's been a big day today.
Speaker 17: Peter Dutton announced his nuclear policy and the Climate Council
Speaker 17: and many others across the community have come out slamming
Speaker 17: that policy as a disaster. We've caught it radioactive green
Speaker 17: washing because it's simply a smoke screen for more and
Speaker 17: more fossil fuels. Their policy is just let it burn.
Speaker 17: Let the bushfires, the megaphires burn, Let the floods flood,
Speaker 17: Let the heat become unbearable. Let the climate crisis ruin
Speaker 17: the future for our kids. And we're not going to
Speaker 17: stand for it.
Speaker 2: Ah hyperbol burn, baby, burn, burn this burn.
Speaker 1: That's nice to see.
Speaker 2: Everyone at the Climate Council's from the same fiery songs
Speaker 2: sheet with equal burning passion. On a sadder note, Donald
Speaker 2: Suttherlan died this week. The here of many great movies,
Speaker 2: but I particularly love this one, especially dedicated to our
Speaker 2: friends at the Climate Council from Kelly's Heroes Burning Bridges.
Speaker 7: I've got some important news for you.
Speaker 31: There is a big national security risk to Orcus posed
Speaker 31: by Labour's offshore wind farm. Here are three things that
Speaker 31: you need to know. Number One, Australian submarines currently train
Speaker 31: and operate in the waters that are designated for the
Speaker 31: wind farm, and from twenty twenty seven they'll be joined
Speaker 31: by up to three US nuclear submarines which will be
Speaker 31: operating out of Perth under the Orcus arrangements. Number Two,
Speaker 31: China produces the vast majority of the world's wind turbines,
Speaker 31: so that's a good chance quite a few of the
Speaker 31: wind turbines installed will be from China.
Speaker 2: So Andrew makes the point James and Rita that Chris
Speaker 2: Bowen hasn't even consulted He's sticking these wind farms and
Speaker 2: wind turbines out in the very area where the ORCA
Speaker 2: subs are supposed to be, hasn't consulted the Americans, And
Speaker 2: that the Chinese will be building those wind farms and
Speaker 2: they can stick any amount of technology stuff in their James,
Speaker 2: they can monitor the entire Alcas fleet from their wind farms.
Speaker 1: A brilliant piece there from Andrew Hasty James. What do
Speaker 1: you make of it?
Speaker 7: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: I thought our problem was that these wind farms would
Speaker 6: interrupt whale migration patterns. Turns out it's much worse than that.
Speaker 6: It's our nuclear subs that will be affected. Unbelievable. They've
Speaker 6: not thought of this, reader.
Speaker 5: I'm just the national security risk with China's input into
Speaker 5: those structures and their massive structures. So if you wanted
Speaker 5: to have some sort of surveillance or something there that
Speaker 5: shouldn't be there, how would we they ever policed that.
Speaker 5: So it is just giving not just enormous amounts of
Speaker 5: money to China, but it's also giving them the sort
Speaker 5: of power that is I think quite dangerous to our
Speaker 5: national security. Can we see how they count out to China,
Speaker 5: But they couldn't even use a stronger word than clumsy
Speaker 5: to condemn what they did.
Speaker 2: It's a vote these clowns out seriously. Leela khaled Is,
Speaker 2: as recognized, has a history of terrorism, and she has
Speaker 2: been invited to this country. She's speaking in this country.
Speaker 2: We spoke, We drew your attention. To this on Outsiders
Speaker 2: several months ago. She's still coming. They're still promoting her,
Speaker 2: particularly at a time when we've seen what has happened
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Absolutely disgraceful, Rita. I'm also we
Speaker 2: were talking earlier about University of Sydney. I would say
Speaker 2: if you if you are funding Sydney University, if you've
Speaker 2: got Jewish kids going there or any kids there, pull
Speaker 2: your kids out and defund Sydney University. It is a
Speaker 2: disgraced what is going on. That's it Broutsiders this week.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next Sunday. Thank you so much for watching,
Speaker 2: and we'll see you Sunday morning, nine am.
Speaker 8: Seeya