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Speaker 2: Very important week and I think this is a really

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Speaker 2: important topic to raise awareness about it. It is Donate Life

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Speaker 2: Week and it's all about organ donation. Did you know

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Speaker 2: one person donating their organs can save up to seven lives.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible and there's a huge weight list here in

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Speaker 3: Australia for people who need organs. Absolutely, if you've ever

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Speaker 3: been around anyone who is on the wait list for

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Speaker 3: an organ, which I have, it's a hideously stress of

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Speaker 2: Well sadly, around fifty people die each year on the

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Speaker 2: organ transplant weitlist and we've got to improve that. It's

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Speaker 2: a conversation that I think we all need to have

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Speaker 2: with our families, an awkward conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: Are you an organ?

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Speaker 1: I am?

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Speaker 4: I got a ticked.

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Speaker 1: I got a ticked.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I've had the conversation about it. And

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Speaker 2: here is the exact reason for the exact reason. Is

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Speaker 2: this lady our next guest in twenty eighteen on Ellwood Beach.

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Speaker 1: It's safe to say you died, Yes I did.

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Speaker 5: I did.

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Speaker 1: But she's here alive and joining us this morning. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 6: Good morning. Thanks so much for having me so tell.

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Speaker 4: Us your story. You were running along the beach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just a light dog along the beach.

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Speaker 4: Is that something that you commonly did?

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Speaker 6: Yes? I was very fit, just spent three months in

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Speaker 6: Morocco to become a surf instructor, had done heaps of

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Speaker 6: triathons before and right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And you were running along the beach and what happened.

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Speaker 6: I was shot of breath, starting to hype up anti light,

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Speaker 6: and then I decided to sit down on a concrete ledge.

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Speaker 6: And the last thing I remember is I looked at

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Speaker 6: my phone and I thought, this doesn't feel right. Should

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Speaker 6: I call someone? And then I woke up four weeks

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Speaker 3: Wow, four weeks later, So someone recognized you were having

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Speaker 3: a heart attack.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how to take cardiac arrest?

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Speaker 3: And someone recognized it that was happening to you and

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Speaker 3: obviously called an ambulance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did CPR on the beach as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was really lucky. So the first responder, she

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Speaker 6: called the ambulance, and apparently I had a conversation with

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Speaker 6: her while I was in and out of consciousness, and

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Speaker 6: you don't remember any of it.

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Speaker 5: Nothing, And then you were in a We were in

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Speaker 5: a coma, and.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't a medically, medical and coma.

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Speaker 5: And you work up four weeks later.

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Speaker 3: So you had an issue with your heart that you

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Speaker 3: didn't realize was there, which is so frightening.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know I was fit and I should

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Speaker 6: it shouldn't have happened to me for all of those accords,

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Speaker 6: and the medical team couldn't really figure out why that

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Speaker 6: happened to me. And at the four week mark they

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Speaker 6: saw it on a CT scan that I had this

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Speaker 6: heart effect that usually gets diagnosed as sudden death and

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Speaker 6: you usually don't survive but past the age of two.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so it was a miracle. Already at this point,

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Speaker 2: you were still alive. Did they tell you at that

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Speaker 2: moment that the only way you will continue to be

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Speaker 2: alive is through a heart transplant?

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Speaker 3: No, because I still wasn't awake yet or when they

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Speaker 3: worked that out, you're still in a coma, And so

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Speaker 3: then what is the process of getting from there? When

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Speaker 3: you wake up four weeks later from a coma, so

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Speaker 3: to getting a brand new huh?

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Speaker 6: So for me at the four week mark, also, they

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Speaker 6: tried to wake me up from the coma and I

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Speaker 6: friends to say their final goodbyes and they did.

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Speaker 3: That must have been so confronting. And you can tell

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Speaker 3: now that you're so emotional about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I feel especially for my mom, you know.

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Speaker 6: But the got news is I walk up the next day.

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Speaker 3: So so they they've come out because your your your

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Speaker 3: background is there is from Germany?

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Speaker 5: Yea.

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Speaker 3: So they were they in Melbourne or had they? Did

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Speaker 3: they come out from Germany? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So I was admitted as unknown female and then they

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Speaker 6: of mine who is German living in Melbourne as well,

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Speaker 4: So it's scary.

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Speaker 5: How do you end up with a new heart?

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Speaker 6: So long journey? So the first time they told me

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Speaker 6: I needed a heart transplant, I wasn't a fan. I

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Speaker 6: asked the cardiologist if there's any other option and she

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Speaker 6: just replied, yes, you die. Whoah, you know dying is

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Speaker 2: Well, when they said to you you need a heart transplant,

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Speaker 2: did they give you a rough time of how long

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Speaker 2: you could possibly live without it?

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Speaker 6: No? Because at the time, like when I signed up

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Speaker 4: Without a heart. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 6: And I was really lucky. I only had to wait

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Speaker 6: for a week. But I can tell you that week

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Speaker 6: was hell to be on the list.

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Speaker 4: So were you?

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Speaker 3: Were you being survived by a machine or how is

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Speaker 3: it so you were attached to a machines to keep

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Speaker 6: I was more machine than you human actually at one point,

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Speaker 6: because so I had to heart lung bypass machine, which

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Speaker 6: is called EGMOL. Then I was connected to an external

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Speaker 6: Elbert machine, which is kind of like an artificial heart

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Speaker 6: that usually you get connected to like to your body,

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Speaker 6: but because I had very strong internal bleedings, they couldn't

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Speaker 6: do that. So that's why I was at this urgent case.

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Speaker 5: How extraordinary medicine.

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Speaker 3: And after a week you find out you're getting a

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Speaker 3: new heart. And there's something so like beautifully tragic about

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Speaker 3: organ transplants is that while your family would be celebrating

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Speaker 3: that you've got this opportunity to have a heart, there's

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Speaker 3: another family grieving that they've lost a loved one for

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Speaker 3: that heart to be donated.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you see, I get emotional now because that

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that because, like

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Speaker 2: I would say, they are mourning they love one, but

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Speaker 2: also they loved one now live on through someone else.

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Speaker 2: Is survivor guilt a thing?

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Speaker 6: Yes, definitely.

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Speaker 5: It takes it.

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Speaker 6: Like it took me a long time to get over it,

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Speaker 6: and I do still think of my doughnter every day

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Speaker 6: and I just recently celebrated seven years. But I also

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Speaker 4: I agreed? Ye, so you have sorry cint.

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Speaker 5: Do you know anything about your donut or are you

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Speaker 6: They're very protective. I only know that it was a

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Speaker 3: Age, right, because they do try and match it with

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Speaker 3: they try and match an organ with someone a similar age.

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Speaker 1: Quick turnaround.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is you don't know because to get

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Speaker 3: And it's not it's generally and I don't know that

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Speaker 3: away of old age because their organs are a lot.

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Speaker 4: So it's someone your age too.

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Speaker 3: It's often a tragic an accident or right circumstances which

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Speaker 7: And you've you've clearly never met this person or have

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Speaker 7: this person with you. I mean, as the guy said,

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Speaker 7: it's it's part tragic but part beautiful as well.

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Speaker 5: What do you what do you think about from day

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Speaker 6: I mean just I mean, this is just the essence

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Speaker 6: there's happened is there's strategy at the same time, but

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Speaker 6: the thought like for me personally, you know, whatever my

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Speaker 6: give somebody a second change that life, it's just really

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Speaker 1: That Can I say?

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Speaker 2: Also, I understand there would be survivors, girl, but it's

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Speaker 2: quite clear how much you appreciate what that.

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Speaker 4: Person did for you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be a silly question, but did you

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Speaker 3: a different size, did you feel.

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Speaker 2: Different, like when you get new tires on a car. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can feel it better.

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Speaker 6: So I when I walk up, I felt like, oh,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think we're going to go along really

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Speaker 4: And you're hard and myself, we're a good match.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. But after that I kind of fell into an

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Speaker 6: identity crisis because they say your heart.

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Speaker 4: As your soul.

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Speaker 6: Yes, like an imagine if they taking your heart, like,

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Speaker 6: but I've now decided I have two souls and I

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like yourself again?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 7: I mentioned earlier that it's it can be an awkward

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Speaker 4: Which converse the whole organ Are you an a donation.

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Speaker 7: What would you say to people who are contemplating going

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Speaker 6: I would say, definitely do it. There is no downside

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Speaker 6: just a waste if you don't donate, and not everybody

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Speaker 6: can donate their organs just because you're on the list.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't automatically mean that you will become a donor, but

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Speaker 6: at least there's a chance.

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Speaker 7: I guess you have to stare your own mortality in

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Speaker 7: the place when you sign up to.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've signed up to it, and I had

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Speaker 4: that for a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: It's it's quite hard to contemplate. I get that.

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Speaker 2: But the only other the flip side of that, as

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Speaker 2: oh no, not for me, I'm not doing it. It's

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Speaker 2: but what if you found yourself in a situation like

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Speaker 1: Then you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do understand the confronting nature in it though,

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Speaker 3: and I can also understand the confronting nature in accepting

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Speaker 3: how something might happen in the Northern Territory and they

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Speaker 3: it perfectly formed and healthy, transported across the country, get

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Speaker 1: Oh, the logistics behind it is incredible.

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Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge process and like Clint said, modern medicine

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Speaker 2: Until you came in and shared your story, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: I was a bit complexed why information wouldn't be passed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you don't know how people are going to react,

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Speaker 3: But also if you survive a heart transplant like you have,

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Speaker 3: and you're doing your very best to get back on

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Speaker 3: you've got another family grieving, it's very common.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get why they keeping them mind, Yes, I

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Speaker 6: You do have the option to write a letter though, Okay,

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Speaker 6: so I've done that.

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Speaker 4: You've written a letter to the family if that's.

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Speaker 6: Via Donate Life, So did you hand the letter into them?

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Speaker 6: And you have to remove all your personalized data so

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Speaker 6: have the chance to accept the letter or not or not. Well,

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Speaker 6: then they can also reply if they want to.

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Speaker 3: What And you don't have to answer this, but what

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Speaker 6: I just try to express my gratitude and I promised

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Speaker 6: to take care of the gift that they're giving me.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And did they reply, No, but they accepted the letter.

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Speaker 3: And imagine receiving that letter for that family in their deepest,

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Speaker 2: And like I said it before, we just met you,

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Speaker 7: She's she had a beautiful heart, and she's got a

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Speaker 4: Oh God, we're all into someone chopping on you.

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Speaker 6: I'm even for Christmas. I'm setting an extra plate for

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Speaker 4: Oh that's so thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it's like we said, it's a heavy.

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Speaker 1: You know, a stick of the green light.

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Speaker 3: It could be your child, it could be your parent,

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Speaker 1: So you know, you want to make your family aware

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Speaker 6: And can I just say that everybody things that tomorrow's promised.

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Speaker 6: Everybody expects to wake up the next day, but not

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Speaker 6: and really enjoy the experience, like when you go out

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Speaker 3: Said now, it only takes one minute to register as

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Speaker 3: an organ or a tissue donor at donatelife dot gov

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Speaker 3: dot au or through your Medicare account, and I highly

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Speaker 3: recommend everyone does it because someone's life could be depended.

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Speaker 2: It is Donate Life Week. Petras john us this morning

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Speaker 2: she received a heart transplant. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: sharing your story. We really appreciate it, and good luck

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Speaker 2: for the future.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me