Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond with
Speaker 3: you for the rest of the week. Well tonight, the
Speaker 3: Greens admit they were never a Green party and instead
Speaker 3: just a group of extreme left radicals. Might take on
Speaker 3: that in a moment. Also tonight, Australian journalists caught up
Speaker 3: in the chaos as Iran launched its attack on Israel.
Speaker 3: Or your Mendez will join me live from Tel Aviv.
Speaker 3: Plus what's next in this new phase of war? Terror
Speaker 3: expert Greg Barton coming up shortly and a clear winner
Speaker 3: in the one and only vice presidential debate. But did
Speaker 3: it move the needle? The Australian's Adam Crichton live from
Speaker 3: Washington a little later. Now, if you want to know
Speaker 3: who the Greens are, just ask them. I've previously lamented
Speaker 3: that the Greens have morphed from an environmentalist party, you know,
Speaker 3: tree hugging and all that carry on, to a socialist,
Speaker 3: extreme left crack pot outfit, and the federal government has
Speaker 3: been trying to suggest the same thing. Recon This was
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi last Monday.
Speaker 4: So Adam Bant has changed the way that the Green's
Speaker 4: political Party operate. They don't talk about the environment anymore.
Speaker 4: They talk about some extreme agenda they seek to divide.
Speaker 3: A few days later, on Thursday, Environment Minister Tanya Plibosek
Speaker 3: told our Laura Jay is much the same thing.
Speaker 5: I don't think the Green's political Party are the party
Speaker 5: of Bob Brown anymore. The idea that Max Chandler may
Speaker 5: would spend more time defending John Setka and the bikey
Speaker 5: infiltration of the CFMU than he spends defending the environment,
Speaker 5: I think tells you all you need to know about
Speaker 5: the modern Greens. I just don't think this is a
Speaker 5: party of environmentalists anymore.
Speaker 3: She then repeated the same lines that afternoon on two GB.
Speaker 6: In recent years, what you've seen is it's not the
Speaker 6: party of Bob Brown anymore. It's not a party of
Speaker 6: environmentalists anymore. It's actually a party of I think you
Speaker 6: described it as anarchists. I don't get some of the
Speaker 6: positions they're taking really are completely contrary to things that
Speaker 6: they've stood up for in the past and argued for.
Speaker 3: Clearly, this is a message that the government is trying
Speaker 3: to drive that the Greens have moved away from environmentalism
Speaker 3: into wacky territory because they're worried, particularly in the city
Speaker 3: MPs like Albanesi and Plibasic, that they are under threat
Speaker 3: from the Greens. And I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 3: do look at the Greens and see the same and go, well,
Speaker 3: they're a greenee party and worried about climate change. That
Speaker 3: sounds good enough for me. But it seems I was wrong.
Speaker 3: They haven't changed. They were never just an environmentalist party now.
Speaker 3: They were formed from an amalgamation of green groups from
Speaker 3: across the country and Bob Brown, best known for farting
Speaker 3: against dams and forestry in Tasmania, essentially built the party
Speaker 3: that we know today. And he told the Sydney Morning
Speaker 3: Herald today that the Greens haven't changed at all. It's
Speaker 3: actually labor that has somehow lurched to the right. He said,
Speaker 3: quote the electric accept that the Greens are the best
Speaker 3: party for the environment, but what I'm seeing now is
Speaker 3: the electorate seeing more and more that the same applies
Speaker 3: for social justice. It's an evolution of understanding. The Greens
Speaker 3: haven't changed or abandoned their aims, They've just evolved. Brown
Speaker 3: went on, Anthony Albanzi is turning out to be the
Speaker 3: least environmentally minded labor prime minister in a long time.
Speaker 3: It's a bit tragic that even Tanya Plibersek, who hasn't
Speaker 3: turned out to be a strong environment minister, is having
Speaker 3: the ground cut from underneath her repeatedly by the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: He even said Albanzi was quote sounding like a right
Speaker 3: wing National Party apparachik.
Speaker 7: When he talked about the Greens.
Speaker 3: The Greens of today are, according to Bob Brown, still
Speaker 3: the Greens of his day, the party of Max Chandler Matha,
Speaker 3: who appeared at a rally in support of the cfmy
Speaker 3: U in August after the Union was accused of being
Speaker 3: overrun by bikies and other criminal thugs, where people waved
Speaker 3: signs showing the Prime Minister with a Hitler mustache calling
Speaker 3: him alber Nazi, the party of Marine Feruki, who pulled
Speaker 3: off this pathetic stunt in the Senate just a month
Speaker 3: after the October seven terrorist attacks on Israel.
Speaker 8: You are not condemning Israel. You refuse to call for
Speaker 8: an immediate cease fire. Well, we are not going to
Speaker 8: sit here and watch you bat yourselves on the back
Speaker 8: for doing nothing. Welworths are not going to stop war crimes.
Speaker 8: Today we bring the people's protest into Parliament.
Speaker 1: Free Free Palestine.
Speaker 6: Thank you Senator Faruki, Minister Farrell.
Speaker 5: That was a statement, So.
Speaker 8: Order order Senator Hanson.
Speaker 3: Later that month she stood next to a sign that
Speaker 3: said keep the world clean and showed the Israeli flag
Speaker 3: being thrown in a bin. The Party of Jenny Leong
Speaker 3: who invoked Nazi era anti Semitic propaganda. Their tentacles reach
Speaker 3: in to the areas.
Speaker 9: That try influence power, and.
Speaker 8: I think that we need to call that out.
Speaker 10: And expose it.
Speaker 3: The party that is so shortsighted that it thinks freezing
Speaker 3: rents will somehow magically help the housing crisis instead of
Speaker 3: encouraging fewer people to invest in the housing market, whether
Speaker 3: that be putting existing houses up for rent or building
Speaker 3: new ones for people to rent in the future. In fact,
Speaker 3: if you go to their website, they name six big
Speaker 3: policy platforms. The first two are freeze rents and interest
Speaker 3: rates and stop supermarket price gouging. Then we get to
Speaker 3: an environmental policy, stop labour's coal and gas. Then end
Speaker 3: the invasion of Gaza dental and mental health into medicare,
Speaker 3: and free union tafe hover over the hour plan tab
Speaker 3: on their website and the first thing, listen, it isn't
Speaker 3: about the environment, it's truth and Treaty where they say
Speaker 3: that sovereignty has never been seeded. All of this far left,
Speaker 3: economically illiterate policies have nothing to do with the environment.
Speaker 3: And Bob Brown, the renowned environmentalist, says this is still
Speaker 3: the party he led. The Greens are a stalking horse
Speaker 3: for radical left wing socialist ideology cloaked in environmentalism, and
Speaker 3: if we take mister Brown at his word, that was
Speaker 3: the plan all along. A lot of people still think
Speaker 3: of the Greens as a green party, but they're not.
Speaker 3: They don't want to be, and they never intended to be.
Speaker 3: They're not going to correct course back to an environmental party.
Speaker 3: This is all part of the design and that might
Speaker 3: come as a bit of a surprise to a lot
Speaker 3: of people who got involved with the Greens two or
Speaker 3: three decades ago to fight for the environment. They should
Speaker 3: just be honest, rename themselves to the socialist party, watermelons
Speaker 3: green on the outside and read on the inside. To
Speaker 3: keep calling themselves the Greens, I think is fraudulent. And
Speaker 3: if we end up with a hung parliament next year.
Speaker 3: They won't just have labor over the barrel on the environment.
Speaker 3: It'll be the most extreme socialist stuff you can imagine.
Speaker 3: They haven't changed, They've just ridden on the coattails of
Speaker 3: environmentalism long enough and built up enough support to finally
Speaker 3: drive the radical agenda they want, and Bob Brown has
Speaker 3: admitted it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: The New South Wales Police are going to the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court to stop pro Palestinian rallies on October the sixth
Speaker 3: and seventh. Monday will be the first anniversary of the
Speaker 3: October seven terror attacks on Israel, the biggest single slaughter
Speaker 3: of Jews since the Holocaust. Of course, now there will
Speaker 3: be a protest on Sunday the sixth and a vigil
Speaker 3: on Monday the seventh.
Speaker 7: Is what we are told.
Speaker 3: So the protest organizers followed the correct procedures in advising
Speaker 3: the police of their intention to test, but the police believe,
Speaker 3: given the dates in question, that they cannot be conducted
Speaker 3: safely and want to stop them. Both the Human Rights
Speaker 3: Law Center and Amnesty International have today called for the
Speaker 3: police to withdraw their application to the court, claiming it
Speaker 3: would inhibit the right to protest. The Palestine Action Group
Speaker 3: is organizing the events, and their spokesman Josh Lees, said
Speaker 3: they would go ahead regardless of what happens. He said, quote,
Speaker 3: if we need to, we will fight this in court,
Speaker 3: and we are confident actually that we would win this
Speaker 3: in court. Even if we were to lose that case,
Speaker 3: we would go ahead with our protest, no regard for
Speaker 3: the law and their vigil on October seven, the day
Speaker 3: that one one hundred and thirty nine people were killed
Speaker 3: by Hamas terrorists, is not for those victims. It's for
Speaker 3: people who've been killed in Gaza since Lee said, it's
Speaker 3: outrageous that the authorities would attempt to ban people's right
Speaker 3: degree for their loved ones and family members who've been
Speaker 3: killed forty two thousand of them in Gaza, nearly two
Speaker 3: thousand in Lebanon. Now, No, what is outrageous is that
Speaker 3: you would take the day of a terror attack that
Speaker 3: emanated from Gaza and then use that to protest against
Speaker 3: the war that it created.
Speaker 7: This shouldn't even be a question.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be a matter of whether you consider yourself
Speaker 3: pro Palestine or pro Israel. It shouldn't matter whether you
Speaker 3: oppose the war. To hold a protest on the day
Speaker 3: before the anniversary of the terror attack, and a vigil
Speaker 3: on the anniversary of the terror attack, but not a
Speaker 3: vigil for the Jews in Israelis who were killed on
Speaker 3: that day is repugnant and inflammatory. You have the right
Speaker 3: to protest, and you should always have the right to protest.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to protest against the war, and they've been
Speaker 3: doing so for a year. I will defend your right
Speaker 3: to protest if you do it within the bounds of decency.
Speaker 3: You don't disrupt other people's lives, no matter how much
Speaker 3: I might disagree with you. That's just the way things
Speaker 3: ought to be. But holding rallies on October six and
Speaker 3: seven is not protesting. It's a slap in the face
Speaker 3: to the innocent people who were slaughtered on October seven
Speaker 3: and their families. It is the glorification of terrorism, pure
Speaker 3: and simple. The organizers knew exactly what they were doing
Speaker 3: when they planned this. It's divisive, it's inflammatory, and it
Speaker 3: looks for all the world like they are supporting what
Speaker 3: happened on October seven. The support and glorification of Islamis
Speaker 3: terrorism cannot be allowed in any way. It is disgusting,
Speaker 3: it is dangerous. It has the potential to incite violence.
Speaker 3: You can't claim to be protesting against the loss of
Speaker 3: civilian lives in Gaza when you won't even let Jews
Speaker 3: and Israelis observe the anniversary of the slaughter of the
Speaker 3: innocent friends and family in peace. Dare you hijack such
Speaker 3: a horrible day? You can protest any other days of
Speaker 3: the year. Why choose October the sixth and seventh unless
Speaker 3: you support what happened.
Speaker 7: Nearly a year ago.
Speaker 3: Anyone who rocks up to these rallies next week, regardless
Speaker 3: of the decision of the Supreme Court, should hang their
Speaker 3: head in shame. Joining me now is former Labor minister
Speaker 3: Graham Richardson and Scarne New's contributor Gary Hardgrave.
Speaker 7: Gents welcome, rich O.
Speaker 3: What do you make of a ground coming out today
Speaker 3: basically saying the Greens are still the Greens that I
Speaker 3: led all those years back then?
Speaker 11: I think I think that's rather pathetic. I had a
Speaker 11: lot to there with Bob Brown way back when, and
Speaker 11: there were Greens involved, but they've been gradually pushed out
Speaker 11: of the party. It's now the hard left party of Australia.
Speaker 11: It's got very little to do with saving trees and
Speaker 11: everything to do with an agenda that most Australians would
Speaker 11: find to use the word you just use repugnant.
Speaker 7: But shouldn't we take him at his word?
Speaker 3: Gary, I mean, he's essentially admitting here that they never
Speaker 3: were just a Green party. They're an extremelyft party. They
Speaker 3: now have enough support to do it without particularly worrying
Speaker 3: about getting the environmentalists offside.
Speaker 12: Look, Caleb and rich are great to be with you both.
Speaker 12: Let me say that the Greens are exactly what they
Speaker 12: were always set out to be, and that is internationalists.
Speaker 12: They don't actually care about Australia. They're trying to take
Speaker 12: on Western civilization. Kill at Stone dead. They've used the environment,
Speaker 12: which rich O and I we were all on a
Speaker 12: unity ticket. We care about the environment, but we actually
Speaker 12: care about our way alive, and we care about our freedom.
Speaker 12: We care about the civilization has delivered us thus far.
Speaker 1: We're going to have a debate about things.
Speaker 12: But these people don't want anybody to have anything to
Speaker 12: say except them.
Speaker 1: And it is an internationalist.
Speaker 12: It is against countries like ours, it's against our civilization.
Speaker 1: These people are the stalking horses.
Speaker 12: They are, as rich I said, the extreme left of
Speaker 12: Australia and anything extreme is bad and we've just got
Speaker 12: a much more egalitarian approach to the world than these people,
Speaker 12: and everything you've said, Caleb is spot on.
Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to be with you tonight, well up in.
Speaker 7: Your state of Queensland, Garry.
Speaker 3: Of course, we saw today that Stephen Marles, the Labor Premier,
Speaker 3: says he would actually do a deal with the Greens
Speaker 3: if it to secured him government again. And you know
Speaker 3: we always hear leaders say, oh, we won't do any
Speaker 3: deals with anyone, but you can bet your bottom dollar
Speaker 3: that if Anthony Albanizi is steering down the barrel of
Speaker 3: forming government or not on the Greens of what stands
Speaker 3: in the way, he will do it and that will
Speaker 3: be dangerous for all of us. Now, going back to
Speaker 3: what I was talking about before, with these pro Palestine protests,
Speaker 3: there's a woman today has been charged after allegedly waiving
Speaker 3: a his Bala flag at last week n's protest in
Speaker 3: sid The police said that the nineteen year old handed
Speaker 3: herself in because they put out photographs of are imploring
Speaker 3: her to come in and do so. And I mentioned
Speaker 3: before these idiots who are planning to protest on October
Speaker 3: the sixth and seventh in Sydney, even if the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court tells them not to, Richo, how could anyone possibly
Speaker 3: rock up to a quote unquote pro Palestinian protest on
Speaker 3: the sixth or seventh of October without being there to
Speaker 3: essentially say that they support the slaughter of Jews that
Speaker 3: occurred on October the seventh.
Speaker 11: But they very actively do support that slaughter. That's what's
Speaker 11: so terrifying to me about all of this. These people
Speaker 11: have no problem sitting back and actually agreeing with the death,
Speaker 11: the gruesome death of hundreds of people. I mean, I'll
Speaker 11: find that just bizarre. How can you do that? No
Speaker 11: civilized person can possibly do that.
Speaker 3: As I said before, Gary, one of their organizers, said,
Speaker 3: if we need to, we will fight this in court,
Speaker 3: and we are confident actually that we would win in court.
Speaker 3: Even if we lose that case, we are going to
Speaker 3: go ahead with our protests. Now, assuming that the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court says that this cannot go ahead, the coppers should
Speaker 3: be down there on the weekend rounding up every single
Speaker 3: one of these people and putting them in a cell.
Speaker 7: And if there is anyone there who is.
Speaker 3: Seeming to be in support of October seventh, who is
Speaker 3: here on a visa. As far as I'm concerned, they
Speaker 3: should be sent packing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, and even if they've got permanent residency, you can
Speaker 12: make a temporary and you can deal with those less
Speaker 12: substantial visas pretty fast.
Speaker 1: They should go.
Speaker 12: Look, I think people have come to this country to
Speaker 12: cause this trouble right now, And Cayleb, I think some
Speaker 12: of the organizers are heavily influenced by foreign agents who
Speaker 12: are now living amongst us. It's pretty simple. They are
Speaker 12: attacking Western society. These people don't care about how laws.
Speaker 12: They are a law under them, so they'll do everything
Speaker 12: they can. And look, I defend people's rights to free speech,
Speaker 12: but you've got to have responsibility for it. And the
Speaker 12: taste associated with this is really.
Speaker 1: Wrong, Calyb.
Speaker 12: This is not a pro Palestine thing, This is not
Speaker 12: a pro Gaza thing, This is not a pro Muslim thing.
Speaker 12: These are terrorists and supporters of terroris who are taking
Speaker 12: us on.
Speaker 1: We've got to take them on. And this is many criticism.
Speaker 12: The Prime Minister is kind of all over the place,
Speaker 12: you know, and if you don't know where you're going anywhere,
Speaker 12: it will take you there. That was what George Harrison's
Speaker 12: saying years ago, and I think that's kind of where
Speaker 12: we're at. We are leaderlests on this stuff. We need
Speaker 12: to sharpen our result to stand up to this nonce.
Speaker 3: Here here now, the NDAs Minister Bill Shorten has put
Speaker 3: out this long list of unproven therapies and alternative treatments
Speaker 3: that are now going to be officially banned from the
Speaker 3: National Disability Insurance Scheme. We knew this was coming. But
Speaker 3: amongst the things that you won't be able to claim
Speaker 3: sex work, cuddle therapy, whatever the hell that is sounds
Speaker 3: quite nice, crystal and tarot card reading. You won't be
Speaker 3: able to get vapes anymore, though you know, you could
Speaker 3: just go down to the local tobacconist and by an
Speaker 3: illegal one, because that's what Albo wants you to do.
Speaker 3: Sidekicks have been taken off the list. You won't be
Speaker 3: able to go on holidays, you won't be able to
Speaker 3: gamble your money, you won't be able to get tattoos.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, rich Oh, I'm glad that these
Speaker 3: things have been struck off the list. But the extraordinary
Speaker 3: thing is that they were a there in the first place,
Speaker 3: and be that they were allowed to stay there for
Speaker 3: so damn long.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's pretty I look at things like that and
Speaker 11: you wonder, how could it have ever developed into that?
Speaker 11: I don't understand in this country in particular, this is
Speaker 11: just so foreign and so alien to our way of life?
Speaker 1: Why would will let it go by?
Speaker 3: And Gary, of course, when you look at the unemployment
Speaker 3: statistics at the moment, you look at all the jobs
Speaker 3: that have been created in the last quarter or so,
Speaker 3: most of those jobs have been created in either aged
Speaker 3: care or the NDIS. So employment's not as good in
Speaker 3: this country as we think it is. We're essentially just
Speaker 3: propping it up through this massive government scheme that is
Speaker 3: totally out of control. This is a good start, but
Speaker 3: my god, there's a lot more work to do on
Speaker 3: the NDIS.
Speaker 12: Gary, Well, look, let me say I chair us an
Speaker 12: advisory group for an NDIS provider, so I'll put that
Speaker 12: up front. And what I know is forty two billion
Speaker 12: dollars of taxpayers funds used to be distributed to state governments.
Speaker 12: It's now in the hands of individuals to purchase things
Speaker 12: that are prescribed as suitable for them and their particular
Speaker 12: disability and their circumstance. Right, So that's the theory behind it.
Speaker 12: But look in practice, some of these providers have done
Speaker 12: some pretty ordinary things and I think it's great. I
Speaker 12: think any legitimate NDIS provider would welcome what Bill Shorten
Speaker 12: has done here.
Speaker 1: And it had to be sharpened up, it had to
Speaker 1: be tidied up.
Speaker 12: This is meant to make a difference for individuals, and
Speaker 12: the fact that some are exploiting it, well, look that's
Speaker 12: what happens.
Speaker 1: But government's got to crack down. And good on Bill
Speaker 1: Shorten for doing.
Speaker 3: It, I say, indeed, I mean, it's just so out
Speaker 3: of control it's not even funny. The nrama came out
Speaker 3: today or the insurance chief came out today and said
Speaker 3: that batteries in electric vehicles should be tested as part
Speaker 3: of road worthiness tests. She says that it'll help quell
Speaker 3: driver fears that their cars you won't suddenly combust and
Speaker 3: hopefully make the rest of us safer, which she thinks
Speaker 3: will ultimately lead to a higher uptake of evs. I'm
Speaker 3: not so sure about that, but Julie Batch says that
Speaker 3: it should just be standard if your car is being
Speaker 3: assessed for road worthiness. I think she's right in so
Speaker 3: far as saying that Richo. We know that these lithium
Speaker 3: ion batteries can be extremely dangerous. Every second day we
Speaker 3: sort of seem to see a fire caused by them,
Speaker 3: whether it be a car or an electric bike, or.
Speaker 7: A vapor or something or another.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised they're not assessing this stuff already.
Speaker 11: I think we've had a concern about this for some time,
Speaker 11: but for some reason, we've not been very good at
Speaker 11: putting legislation in place to protect ourselves. And this is
Speaker 11: one thing you need to be getting protection from. You
Speaker 11: know these things are dangerous, that the lithium batteries are
Speaker 11: not stable, and there's been too many examples. It's not
Speaker 11: as if there's one or two. There's examples right across
Speaker 11: the board of these things blowing up. Well, I don't
Speaker 11: want them blow up anywhere in near me.
Speaker 3: I don't blame you, nor do the Chinese Gary, which
Speaker 3: is a lot of these cars are coming out of China.
Speaker 3: Now there are hotels and apartment buildings and whatever in
Speaker 3: China Gary that are now banning evs from being put
Speaker 3: in their underground car parks because they were a dole
Speaker 3: joints going to be set on far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's enough lemons and bombs on the
Speaker 1: road already. We don't need a few more.
Speaker 12: But look, the other thing about it, kayleb, is that
Speaker 12: some of these cars are so done heavy. I don't
Speaker 12: know whether some of the structures that we're expecting them
Speaker 12: to go into iron I mean, could you imagine some
Speaker 12: of these car parks that are rated for a standard
Speaker 12: internal combustion engine car and then you've got something going
Speaker 12: to be two and three times here there and hundreds
Speaker 12: of them in a car park. I'm just saying to
Speaker 12: you there's a lot of consequences to this. These batteries
Speaker 12: in these cars bloody heavy, and I don't know whether
Speaker 12: some of the structures are actually built for it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 12: Not a structural engineer, but I just simply say there's
Speaker 12: a lot of aspects to this rush.
Speaker 1: To these evs we need to look at.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, just very quickly, Gary, before we go. Your
Speaker 3: Premier Stephen Miles said today that he'd start a publicly
Speaker 3: owned electricity retailer if he wins the election, which is
Speaker 3: highly unlikely. But the funny part of it is that
Speaker 3: the energy generation is already owned by.
Speaker 7: The state government. I mean, what a hair brained idea.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, we used to have state owned butcher shops
Speaker 12: in Queensland one hundred years ago, so anything is possible.
Speaker 12: It's a very big state. It's decentralized. We want to
Speaker 12: try and do things. Look, I understand what they're trying
Speaker 12: to say, but the pitch is this putting a government
Speaker 12: controlled and government owned a retailer into the mix. Well,
Speaker 12: they've already got one north of Gimpi all the way
Speaker 12: through the rest of the coins and there's only one provider.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 12: They're going to have government competing with government, so the
Speaker 12: whole thing's like a thought bubble that's suddenly going to
Speaker 12: swallow them whole.
Speaker 1: Whether they win or lose, I don't know.
Speaker 12: They're competitive enough, and you know, two horse race, one
Speaker 12: of them's got to win.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they want to win power, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Gary Hardgrave, Graham Richardson, thank you for your time. Well,
Speaker 3: a new phase of the war in the Middle East
Speaker 3: has begun now that Iran has launched about two hundred
Speaker 3: rockets against Israel. Now, most of those missiles were shot
Speaker 3: down by Israel's sophisticated air defense system, the Iron Dome,
Speaker 3: but it's believed that some of them were able to
Speaker 3: hit the territory and the Australians Liam Mendez and Yoni
Speaker 3: Bashan were caught up in the chaos.
Speaker 7: Have a look at this.
Speaker 13: Right there.
Speaker 7: Well, that's going on for us, said four years coming,
Speaker 7: missiles all the way, Cars are pulled over on the
Speaker 7: side of people on the stomachs. We come on.
Speaker 13: This freeway has come to the side, approx. Me one
Speaker 13: hundred and two missiles, one hundred and two.
Speaker 2: Hundred and two.
Speaker 3: Incredible scenes that I'm joined now by Liam Mendez live
Speaker 3: from Tel Aviv. Liam talks through what you went through
Speaker 3: today or yesterday.
Speaker 13: I should say, good evening, Caleb, thanks for having me. Well,
Speaker 13: my colleague Yonni Bashan and I we've been in Tel
Speaker 13: Aviv for the last couple of days. We're here in
Speaker 13: the lead up to the October seventh anniversary, which is approaching,
Speaker 13: and we were just out in Tel Aviv when we
Speaker 13: are received a notification that there was a terrorist attack
Speaker 13: happening not too far away from our location. So we
Speaker 13: started heading there and then after that is when we
Speaker 13: started receiving a few more alerts telling us that essentially
Speaker 13: Iran were launching an attack. Now this was an attack
Speaker 13: that we'd been notified of a couple of hours earlier,
Speaker 13: at about three pm. My Yonnie had received a bit
Speaker 13: of a heads up on this, and so we were
Speaker 13: sort of anticipating it a little bit, but we didn't
Speaker 13: really expect it to be this large. It was almost
Speaker 13: two hundred rockets, some of them with these were ballistic
Speaker 13: missiles sent from Iran into Israel.
Speaker 3: I suppose this is not foreign to people who live
Speaker 3: in Israel. It's certainly not the first time they've seen
Speaker 3: this in The Iron Dome does a great job.
Speaker 7: And I know Liam that you're.
Speaker 3: Not afraid to put yourself in hairy situations, but what
Speaker 3: was going through your head as you were taking cover?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's ry.
Speaker 13: We've all seen footage of the Iron Dome, but it's
Speaker 13: quite an extraordinary sight to be seeing it in person.
Speaker 13: You see these they look like flares, but these are
Speaker 13: little rockets going up into the into the air and
Speaker 13: intercepting these these missiles that have been sent over by Iran,
Speaker 13: and it was it was quite surreal to watch this interception.
Speaker 13: It's something out of Star Wars, and you know, I
Speaker 13: think it was just we sort of got into this
Speaker 13: mode where we just wanted to capture exactly what was
Speaker 13: happening on the ground here. You know, we're very lucky
Speaker 13: to be here, to be able to tell the stories
Speaker 13: here and bring these stories to our raiders.
Speaker 7: Lea Mindez, keep safe.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time, and you can follow his
Speaker 3: reporting in The Australian. He is a gun young reporter
Speaker 3: and following that attack on Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin nittan
Speaker 3: Yahoo has warned it was a big mistake.
Speaker 7: He's vowing to retaliate. Have a listen.
Speaker 14: Iran made a major mistake this evening and it will
Speaker 14: pay for it. The regime in Iran just doesn't understand
Speaker 14: our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate
Speaker 14: to our enemies. Sinwar and death did not understand that
Speaker 14: in Australia and Musen did not understand that, and I
Speaker 14: guess there are those who do not understand that in
Speaker 14: teh Run.
Speaker 3: US President Joe Biden has also offered his support.
Speaker 10: The attack peers to have been defeated and ineffective, and
Speaker 10: this is testament Israeli military capability and US military.
Speaker 2: Make no mistake.
Speaker 10: The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive of Israel.
Speaker 3: Let's get some expert analysis. I'm joined now by dec
Speaker 3: University Global Islamic Politics Chair Professor Grigg Barton. Greg is
Speaker 3: this essentially a declaration of all out war?
Speaker 15: No, okay, I'm not yet. It's thankfully well short of that.
Speaker 15: Strangers that may seem. It still seems to be the
Speaker 15: case that neither Israel nor Iran want in all out war.
Speaker 2: Israel would have the better of Iran.
Speaker 15: Iran and for its bluff and blusters, looking more like
Speaker 15: a paper tiger. But the trip now is to manage
Speaker 15: what happens next. There has to be some sort of
Speaker 15: retaliation as a promise and has.
Speaker 2: Said without escalation. I mean, the.
Speaker 15: Struggle against his Bulla is going to tax all of
Speaker 15: Israel's resources. That doesn't need to be dealing with Iran
Speaker 15: at the same time. And Iran can't afford to get
Speaker 15: drawn into something bigger. So let's hope they find an
Speaker 15: off ramp for this.
Speaker 3: Will you say Iran can't afford to get drawn into
Speaker 3: too something bigger? What would it look like for Iran
Speaker 3: if this did escalate?
Speaker 15: Well, the worst case scenario is a regional war with
Speaker 15: direct strikes in Iran, which would be which can certainly
Speaker 15: devastate the regime, but it would come with a tremendous
Speaker 15: civilian casualties.
Speaker 2: You know, most Iranians loathe this regime.
Speaker 15: They're stuck with it. They have no choice. They know
Speaker 15: that it destroys their country. You know, they live with
Speaker 15: the difficulties or economy every day because of this regime.
Speaker 15: Let's hope that become victims of it. If this regime
Speaker 15: takes them mental lar Irani vulnerable. It doesn't have the
Speaker 15: defense systems to affect itself against aerial assaults if it
Speaker 15: comes to that, So it knows that hopefully that's enough
Speaker 15: to defer it from going further.
Speaker 3: Now, of course, all of this has been triggered by
Speaker 3: Israel's incursion into living On because they want.
Speaker 7: To push back his bla.
Speaker 3: Hezbilla, like the Hooties, is funded by Iran. Iran has seen.
Speaker 3: It's a warning shot, if you want to call it that,
Speaker 3: for Israel trying to push hez Balah back.
Speaker 7: But where to from here?
Speaker 3: For Israel, they're not going to give up on this,
Speaker 3: and nor should they. If this continues, not only Lebanon
Speaker 3: but Iran.
Speaker 7: How far could they go?
Speaker 15: That's a really good question, you know, one of the
Speaker 15: reasons that Iran is feeling or the euragim I should say,
Speaker 15: it is feeling that it's lost face.
Speaker 2: It has to do something. Hence the missile strikes today.
Speaker 15: Is the assassination of Ismail Hania important to them, not
Speaker 15: so much because they care about Ismail Hania, this former
Speaker 15: Hamas leader, but because it happened in a Islamic revolutionary
Speaker 15: guards called VIP guest house, where it appears a explosive
Speaker 15: device was planted a well ahead of time, which means
Speaker 15: that their intelligence structure is being penetrated by the Israelis.
Speaker 15: And of course that's now been brought home that the
Speaker 15: Israelis penetrated the intelligent structure of his buller, probably because
Speaker 15: of his boy's involvement in supporting the Basha all aside
Speaker 15: in Syria. It gave them a chance to really get
Speaker 15: deep inside their social networks obviously their supply chaines as
Speaker 15: miss all of the pages and the walkie talkies, but
Speaker 15: also to locate the precise location of the bunker huss
Speaker 15: and Ustraller and senior lieutenants were in and take it out.
Speaker 15: So that must be very chilling for the Regiamentehran. So
Speaker 15: on the one hand, they want to respond and show
Speaker 15: themselves to be strong. On the other hand, they fear
Speaker 15: going too far and you know, perhaps finding that there's
Speaker 15: more pre planted explosive devices or targeted assassinations on senior leaders.
Speaker 3: Greg, thank you so much for your time still to come.
Speaker 3: Victoria's housing crisis ranked the worst in the country.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you why shortly.
Speaker 3: Plus, the last debate of the US election had everyone talking.
Speaker 7: So who won it? And will move the needle?
Speaker 3: As Americans prepared to head to the polls, Washington correspondent
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton will join me to break that down next.
Speaker 7: Don't go away.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: I'm sure like me.
Speaker 3: You had your popcorn out this morning. May be a
Speaker 3: sneaky beer as well. You know, it's twelve o'clock somewhere
Speaker 3: because the vice presidential nominees faced off for their one
Speaker 3: and only debate, which will probably be the last debate
Speaker 3: of this entire elect So Tim Waltzon JD. Vance spent
Speaker 3: ninety minutes clashing over the Middle East, abortion, in the economy,
Speaker 3: but the most entertaining questions when both candidates were asked
Speaker 3: about comments they'd made in the past.
Speaker 9: Have a look, Senator Vance. In twenty sixteen, you called
Speaker 9: your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office,
Speaker 9: and you said he could be America's hitler.
Speaker 16: Sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the President, but I've
Speaker 16: also been extremely open about the fact that I was
Speaker 16: wrong about Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
Speaker 9: the deadly Teneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
Speaker 9: eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
Speaker 9: are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
Speaker 9: August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy.
Speaker 12: I've tried to do the best I can, but I've
Speaker 12: not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.
Speaker 7: Indeed a knuckle hit.
Speaker 3: I'm sure lots of people might agree with that. And
Speaker 3: then when it came to fact checking, he happed the JD.
Speaker 3: Evans by the way he wasn't having it. He pushed
Speaker 3: back by explaining why the moderators were wrong.
Speaker 9: Take a look for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have
Speaker 9: a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status
Speaker 9: temporary protected Laura, thank you, Senator. We have so much
Speaker 9: to get to.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to turn out of the economy.
Speaker 1: Thanks Margaret.
Speaker 16: The rules were that you got we're going to fact check,
Speaker 16: and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important
Speaker 16: to say what's actually going.
Speaker 7: On, Mike Drop.
Speaker 3: I mean JD events wiped the floor with Tim Waltz.
Speaker 3: He was composed, he was calm. He easily dismantled the
Speaker 3: attacks leveled by Waltz and at times the moderators. He
Speaker 3: just looked like he knew what he was doing much
Speaker 3: more than Waltz did, which is probably not a surprise
Speaker 3: because Vance does a lot of interviews all the time,
Speaker 3: including with lefty media outlets, so he knows how to
Speaker 3: deal with their attacks. Well, I'm joined now by The
Speaker 3: Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam, what do you make
Speaker 3: of my assessment? I think JD did a really good
Speaker 3: job today.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Look, I think at one hundred percent I agree with
Speaker 17: you spot on there. I mean it was a very
Speaker 17: good debate for JD.
Speaker 1: Evans.
Speaker 17: I mean I think he probably exceeded expectations. I mean
Speaker 17: lots of people are saying that you know that Tim
Speaker 17: Waltz was at an unfair advantage, but I mean, remember
Speaker 17: he is twenty years older than JD.
Speaker 2: Evans.
Speaker 17: He's had a lot more experience as a politician, so
Speaker 17: he should have done better.
Speaker 7: But I mean he had a lot of clangers.
Speaker 17: I mean you highlighted one. I think another one that
Speaker 17: needs to be mentioned, and I really felt sorry for
Speaker 17: Waltz is when he accidentally said that he'd become friends with.
Speaker 3: School shooting Well, you mentioned that, Adam Marrion, you mentioned that.
Speaker 3: Let's I've got the clip here, let's play the clip
Speaker 3: here is Tim Waltz.
Speaker 8: You previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it only
Speaker 8: later in.
Speaker 9: Your political career did you change your position.
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's set in that office with the Sandigog parents.
Speaker 2: I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it.
Speaker 7: Oh no, so painful.
Speaker 17: It was terrible, terrible, terrible, And of course that's gone viral.
Speaker 17: I mean, of all the statements in the debate, that's
Speaker 17: the one I think that people are going to remember,
Speaker 17: especially if they've been using social media. I mean, Donald
Speaker 17: Trump even took advantage of it. Certainly, I think the
Speaker 17: ninety minute debate has given Republicans a lot of confidence
Speaker 17: in this fifth week out from polling day. Certainly that's
Speaker 17: the case whether it actually moves the needle, it's probably
Speaker 17: not going to. I did note that in those few
Speaker 17: snap polls that CNN RN that CBS ran, they asked
Speaker 17: people if the debate had changed their mind, and only
Speaker 17: one percent of people said that it had, So I
Speaker 17: think by this stage a lot of people have made
Speaker 17: up their mind. But nevertheless, it was a great night
Speaker 17: for theirs. It was a good night for Republicans, and
Speaker 17: I probably think Democrats were thinking. Some of them would
Speaker 17: have been thinking, I wish we had have chosen Josh Shapiro,
Speaker 17: the governor of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7: But anyway, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: They were going to say that as ordinary as Tim
Speaker 3: Woltz was, I was watching that debate in part thinking,
Speaker 3: imagine if these two were the presidential nominees. Because the
Speaker 3: debate they had today was not a slanging match. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a personality contest. They actually debated the policy. You
Speaker 3: didn't have the personal attacks you had between Trump and
Speaker 3: Barden and then Trump and Harris. They actually had a
Speaker 3: lot of common ground and conceded points to each other.
Speaker 3: It was conciliatory politics, and I was watching, going, my god,
Speaker 3: this is what has.
Speaker 7: Been missing from US politics for a long time.
Speaker 17: Yeah, look, certainly, that's right. I thought exactly the same thing.
Speaker 17: It was really HARKing back to a different era. And
Speaker 17: I suppose it's a basis to be confident for the
Speaker 17: future of US politics once the Trump era passes. I mean,
Speaker 17: I also had the thought that really Advances are better
Speaker 17: candidate than Trump, or has I thought? But you know,
Speaker 17: I mean, he's certainly, I think, at least a future
Speaker 17: president in the making.
Speaker 7: And you know, he had a very good night yea.
Speaker 3: Indeed, look and if Trump doesn't get up in November,
Speaker 3: you'd have to think that in twenty twenty eight they'd
Speaker 3: be looking very seriously at Advance after that performance. He
Speaker 3: is just polished and professional and young and everything that
Speaker 3: I think the Republicans need to be looking towards.
Speaker 7: Adam, thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: After the break, China's blunt message on Taiwan in Adelaide,
Speaker 3: that story coming up, plus the renewables row is heating
Speaker 3: up as Labour and the Coalition prepare for the looming election.
Speaker 3: Tonight's political panel joins me next. So much more to
Speaker 3: get through tonight, So let's get straight into the political
Speaker 3: news of the day. We're meant to have a panel,
Speaker 3: but to Liberal MP Andrew Wallace has sort of disappeared
Speaker 3: into the ether somewhere, so we'll try to get him back.
Speaker 3: But in the meantime we're joined by Labour MP Daniel Molino.
Speaker 3: Daniel the Herald Son is reporting today that detectives are
Speaker 3: on the hunt for eight activists who were allegedly involved
Speaker 3: in that violent Landforces Expo protest or Day Days of
Speaker 3: protests that we saw in Melbourne last month.
Speaker 7: This is the bastion task.
Speaker 3: They put out the photos of these people in the
Speaker 3: hopes that someone might recognize and let's hope they are
Speaker 3: found and if so, that the police press charges because
Speaker 3: what we saw on those days, things being thrown at police, horses, etc.
Speaker 7: Was horrific.
Speaker 16: Oh hi, Caleb, and thanks for having me on look.
Speaker 16: I totally agree that there's something contradictory and in a
Speaker 16: lot of ways ridiculous about undertaking very violent acts in
Speaker 16: trying to argue for peace, and what we saw at
Speaker 16: those demonstrations and some other demonstrations has been really over
Speaker 16: the top. And as you identified, we had dangerous liquids
Speaker 16: thrown at horses, marbles thrown at horses, violent acts against
Speaker 16: the police and others, and I think it's imperative that
Speaker 16: we do find people that have not only undertaken actions
Speaker 16: that fly in the face of what they're arguing for,
Speaker 16: but that in cases are illegal. And I might just
Speaker 16: add that this is something that I've raised on this
Speaker 16: show before that my electorate office has, in fact, like
Speaker 16: a number of other electric officers, has been subject to
Speaker 16: violent actions, smearing by paint and broken glass.
Speaker 1: And similarly, it's very.
Speaker 16: Important that people who undertake those kinds of actions are
Speaker 16: held to account.
Speaker 3: Well, if they're not held to account, they just continue
Speaker 3: doing it. They get away with it. It's a bit like
Speaker 3: the crazy eco activists who keep blocking coal trains and
Speaker 3: things like this.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, they do it.
Speaker 3: They vandalize a building, they glue themselves to the road,
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. They go off to court, they
Speaker 3: get given a four hundred dollar fine, and then they
Speaker 3: go out and do it again the next day. I mean,
Speaker 3: an example needs to be made of these people to say,
Speaker 3: if you try this on, we ain't going to take it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 16: I think one of the messages that comes through in
Speaker 16: some of these protests, and one that I agree with,
Speaker 16: is that there are rules in war, but ironically, there
Speaker 16: have got to be rules in the way that we
Speaker 16: undertake debates in our community. There have got to be
Speaker 16: rules in public protests.
Speaker 7: Also.
Speaker 16: If we don't abide by basic rules such as not
Speaker 16: being violent, such as not intimidating people. If we don't
Speaker 16: abide by those kinds of rules, it threatens our very
Speaker 16: civil society, It threatens democracy. So I think we have
Speaker 16: to set up basic rules. I think all of us
Speaker 16: agree with freedom of speech. It's absolutely foundational to our society,
Speaker 16: to our ability to express ourselves, to the strength of
Speaker 16: our democracy. But there have to be rules as to
Speaker 16: how we engage in debates.
Speaker 3: Now we do have Andrew Wallace back with us, but
Speaker 3: we only have the audio at the moment. I want
Speaker 3: to get into Jim Charmers, the Treasurer. He's pumping up
Speaker 3: his economic record to say its frankly a wild claim
Speaker 3: that the coalition government would have run up fifty five
Speaker 3: and a half billion dollars worth of deficits instead of surpluses.
Speaker 3: He's told The Australian that if he had banked around
Speaker 3: forty percent of revenue you upgrade the average under the
Speaker 3: Abbott Turnbull Morrison years, his budget would be.
Speaker 7: In the red.
Speaker 3: But Andrew, I'm not sure it's entirely fair, given you
Speaker 3: have to take into account COVID.
Speaker 7: You're a spending is it?
Speaker 18: Well, Caleb, I just don't think anybody can believe what
Speaker 18: Jim Charmer says. I mean, this is the guy that
Speaker 18: constantly talked about the coalition government allegedly ringing up a
Speaker 18: trillion dollars worth of debt. But we know that that
Speaker 18: was a bold faced lie because it was nothing like that.
Speaker 18: It was closer to five hundred billion dollars And of
Speaker 18: course that is a lot of money, but it's half
Speaker 18: of what Jim Charmers went to the last election. In fact,
Speaker 18: he's even been talking about it since then. But it
Speaker 18: doesn't take into account the enormous spending that the then
Speaker 18: coalition government had to do to bring the country out
Speaker 18: of its worst economic crisis is the Great Depression during COVID,
Speaker 18: and it was Jim Chalmers.
Speaker 2: That was encouraging us to be putting.
Speaker 18: More money, borrowing more money to put into the economy.
Speaker 18: So you know, it's a bit rich for Jim Charmers
Speaker 18: to be coming out and saying this.
Speaker 16: Now, Daniel, your response, Oh, look what I'd say first
Speaker 16: and foremost is I think it's really important in these
Speaker 16: debates about surpluses and defasts just to remember we're not
Speaker 16: trying to achieve surpluses for their own sake. Here, they're
Speaker 16: not an end. Why we're achieving surpluses is to try
Speaker 16: and put downward pressure on inflation, which is critical to
Speaker 16: getting to the point where we can see interest rates fall.
Speaker 16: And I just wanted to say that Michelle Bullock, who
Speaker 16: appeared in front of the committee that I chair, has
Speaker 16: reinforced that the surpluses that we're delivering have been helping
Speaker 16: with that. I think the point with the savings of
Speaker 16: the uplift is simply to make the point that the
Speaker 16: surpluses that we've delivered in the first two years were
Speaker 16: on the back of identifying savings but also banking a
Speaker 16: very high proportion of the fiscal uplift, and that was
Speaker 16: responsible economic management. And I think that's the core point
Speaker 16: that's being made indeed.
Speaker 3: But Michelle Bellot did also say that some high government
Speaker 3: spending was one of the contributors to inflation. So yes,
Speaker 3: banking a surplus mean means that there is less spending,
Speaker 3: but spending could go down further. I think is part
Speaker 3: of the point here as well.
Speaker 7: In your state.
Speaker 3: Though, Victoria's so go on, Daniel, you're going to respond
Speaker 3: there with no, that.
Speaker 18: Was me cann So I was just going to say,
Speaker 18: in relation to that point of Daniels, the Labor government
Speaker 18: wants to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 18: It's doing everything it can to drive into the ground
Speaker 18: the mining and resources sector. Without the mining and resources sector,
Speaker 18: Australia's Australian's quality of life.
Speaker 2: Will suffer dramatically.
Speaker 18: So I think that the benefits that have been bequeathed
Speaker 18: to Jim Chalmers as treasure of this country have in
Speaker 18: no small part been as a result of the great
Speaker 18: work of the mind industry. And that's I just don't
Speaker 18: know how he or the Labor government expect to be
Speaker 18: able to continue to provide the sort of services that
Speaker 18: are striving and demand when they do want to kill
Speaker 18: the goose that laid the golden neck.
Speaker 3: Now, two things to get through very quickly here, Daniel.
Speaker 3: In your state, Victoria, you've been ranked the worst out
Speaker 3: of all the states when it comes to tackling the
Speaker 3: housing crisis and the Allen government's refusal to wind back
Speaker 3: property taxes has seen industry confidence.
Speaker 7: Plummet in the sector.
Speaker 3: It's put to me by people in Victoria who own
Speaker 3: property that they feel like they are an enemy of
Speaker 3: the state. Very quickly, Daniel, what's your response to that.
Speaker 16: So just don that I saw some of the commentary
Speaker 16: around that today and look, I did see some commentary
Speaker 16: from the Property Council, for example, in an article that
Speaker 16: got a bit of coverage. I mean, I would also
Speaker 16: say that I agree with commentators, including the Property Council,
Speaker 16: who say that this is really ply side issue. I'd
Speaker 16: note that the Property Council have also come out and
Speaker 16: said that it is really important that we get measures
Speaker 16: in place like Bill to Rent. The Property Council backed
Speaker 16: in the half as a really important supply side measure,
Speaker 16: so they've actually been backing the work of the federal government.
Speaker 16: And it's very frustrating that we have two bills in
Speaker 16: the Senate stuck with the opposition and the Greens playing
Speaker 16: political games and stopping measures which I think go right
Speaker 16: to the heart.
Speaker 7: Of this issue.
Speaker 3: And quickly before we go, Andrew, there's a Chinese diplomat
Speaker 3: has warned that the Taiwan question is at the core
Speaker 3: of Beijing's interest.
Speaker 7: He said the.
Speaker 3: Family reunion is not complete without all family members, including Taiwan.
Speaker 3: This is South Australia's Consul General Lee Dong. He made
Speaker 3: these comments at a Chinese national dinner that were hosted
Speaker 3: by Premier Peter Malinowskis thirty seconds Andrew.
Speaker 7: He stood up at a dinner.
Speaker 3: That the States put on for him and told the
Speaker 3: state how things should go.
Speaker 18: Well and if he he had his way, that the
Speaker 18: Labor Premier in South Australia and the Prime ministry of
Speaker 18: this country would be dancing to the tune.
Speaker 2: But look, I was in Taiwan in April.
Speaker 18: They are a very important democracy, one of our largest
Speaker 18: trading partners, despite their relatively small size.
Speaker 2: It is imperative that.
Speaker 18: We continue to support Taiwan as a free and open democracy.
Speaker 18: And I think we need to be pushing back both
Speaker 18: against the hyperbole of the Chinese government in relation to
Speaker 18: its desire to want to reunify Taiwan by force if necessary.
Speaker 3: Daniel Molino Andrew Wallace, thank you for persisting and thank
Speaker 3: you for your time. Well, whose energy is cheaper? That's
Speaker 3: the latest argument between Labor and the coalition, So they
Speaker 3: try to Sway vote as ahead of an imminent election.
Speaker 3: We'll get into all of that next.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: We saw a US government report earlier in the week
Speaker 3: which said that energy generation and transmission costs thirty seven
Speaker 3: percent less when renewables and nuclear are combined. Will Chris
Speaker 3: Bowen hit back rather predictably. Sorry, today, you said that
Speaker 3: if the Opposition ever gets around to doing their day
Speaker 3: job and releasing honest costings, that it will be clear
Speaker 3: that renewables are cheaper than nuclear every time, the cheapest
Speaker 3: form of energy anywhere. Apparently, Well, let's bring in The
Speaker 3: Australian's Environment editor, Graham Lloyd. Chris Bowen's just dismissed the
Speaker 3: report out of hand. I think it's a bit premature.
Speaker 19: Yes, good evening, Caleb, Well, certainly. I guess the question
Speaker 19: is has Chris Bowen read the report, and he probably should.
Speaker 19: It's something from the US government, it's an official report
Speaker 19: and it certainly shows that on their analysis that agrid
Speaker 19: that has a large base load power supply such as ours,
Speaker 19: will be cheaper if a portion of that is replaced
Speaker 19: with nuclear energy to back up renewables. It's something that
Speaker 19: the Opposition has been talking about. The report lays out
Speaker 19: a lot of the arguments they've made about using existing infrastructure,
Speaker 19: having a higher paid, better jobs in a nuclear industry
Speaker 19: and other things. But the import of it is it
Speaker 19: really demonstrates how serious the Biden administration is in really
Speaker 19: working up the nuclear industry, both in terms of large
Speaker 19: scale nukes, the small modul reactors and microreactors, which.
Speaker 2: Are all in development.
Speaker 19: They are all some way down the track. What they're
Speaker 19: saying is that they will get progressively cheaper as more
Speaker 19: of them are developed and put into production. So the
Speaker 19: government is looking at ways that it can encourage the
Speaker 19: role out of these things to bring the unit costs down.
Speaker 19: And once they're fully established, there's a hierarchy of comparison
Speaker 19: there and with carbon capture and storage will be the cheapest,
Speaker 19: nuclear will be the next, and then fully firmed renewables
Speaker 19: will be more expensive than them, both slightly. So Australia
Speaker 19: in a long term planning would be wise to look
Speaker 19: at this very closely. It's something that's happening in the UK,
Speaker 19: it's happening in the US, it's happening in Europe, and
Speaker 19: things are moving and the projections are that costs will
Speaker 19: come down, but it will take time, We've.
Speaker 3: Only got fifty seconds gram but I think it proves
Speaker 3: once again that nuclear at the very least should be
Speaker 3: on the table. But the federal government refuses to do that,
Speaker 3: I think out of pride because they don't want to
Speaker 3: be proven wrong.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 19: Well, certainly they're out of sync with what a lot
Speaker 19: of other large countries are doing, and we should at
Speaker 19: least have the option.
Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, and the fact that they don't even look
Speaker 3: at it is a disgrace. I think, just very quickly though,
Speaker 3: why doesn't the coalition just come out with the numbers.
Speaker 3: They must have the numbers by now. Why can't they
Speaker 3: just give us the numbers and put all of this
Speaker 3: stuff to bed and effectively shut the government up.
Speaker 19: Well, I think the numbers they're always going to be
Speaker 19: open to dispute or contests about whether they're the right
Speaker 19: numbers or whether they're not. I think the coalition has
Speaker 19: to have a much more detailed plan of how it
Speaker 19: will fund and implement these things so that there's some
Speaker 19: security about what they're saying is correct.
Speaker 3: Graham Lloyd, thank you for your time, and that's it
Speaker 3: for me for this hour. I'll be back in one
Speaker 3: hour at ten pm for the late debate. Don't miss it.
Speaker 3: I'll be back at eight o'clock tomorrow for Sharry again.
Speaker 3: But up now, the Great Paul Murray