WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 7 May 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:07.280 On scoring leaves Australia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.240 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show. Coming 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.920 up tonight. Do the Liberals need to be a broad 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.560 church or should they embrace the culture wars. Adam Crichton 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.160 will be here to cover the day's top headlines, including 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.720 the dangers of premature celebration. We've got footage of the 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:30.560 Teals in Goldstein celebrating heart before reality set in. I'll 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.479 speak to Rachel Wong about the behavior of some AEC 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.800 staff threatening to call the police on a candidate talking 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.360 about her late term abortion policy. The wonderful Matilga Sagon 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.720 has the latest from the US and the equally eloquent 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.559 Ralph Sholhammer. We'll explain a new threat to democracy in 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.199 Germany with efforts to ban the right wing AfD Party 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.480 and lefties losing it. Shows democrats love illegal immigrants so 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.840 much that they an't care if they are murdered by one. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.120 If I get murdered by an undocumented immigrant, please tell 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.800 my children I did not care that they were undocumented. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.640 But first, the seat of Goldstein in Victoria has been 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.880 returned to the Liberals after Zoe Daniel claimed it for 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.039 the Tills in the twenty twenty two election, with Tim 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:24.640 Wilson becoming the first MP to reclaim a Till seat. Now, 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.800 Zoey Daniel is being widely mocked online for indulging in 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.399 premature celebrations on the weekend, claiming a seat that was 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:34.880 no longer. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:43.759 Hers right. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.000 Being Goldstein. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:47.360 Hope Winds. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.760 The Liberal Party threw everything out us guys, and we 0:01:52.920 --> 0:02:01.480 are standing here to celebrate it. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:11.360 Naane response to her loss, though Daniel remains stoic, some 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.200 might say, remains in denial, writing on Instagram that while 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.720 the media has called the result in Goldstein, I will 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.720 wait for further counting out of respect for my scrutinyars 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.960 and the democratic process. Joining me now for more on 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.959 this is senior fellow and chief Economists at the IPA, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.600 Adam crist And Adam. If she wasn't such a uniquely 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.960 terrible MP, and she's my local MP, I may have 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.880 a little sympathy here, but you never go the early 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.680 crow amateur mistake now. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.519 Book, I think the mockery was very justified. It's so embarrassing. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.200 I mean, on a human level, I do feel sorry 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.600 for her a little bit but it shocks me that 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.239 amongst all those supporters and staff, all the political stuff, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.200 someone didn't say, hang on, a second's kind of close, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.760 and there's a lot of prepole of voting still to 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.799 be counted. The same with Kuong, same thing they celebrated 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.639 as well, and you know, Ryan may lose that seat too. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.519 But I think the broader point here is why do 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.320 we still. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.600 Not know who's won on a Wednesday night. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.760 Surely the AEC can hire a funeral people to count 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:13.280 these votes. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:14.760 I mean, you know this isn't India. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.320 You know these aren't tens or hundreds or millions of votes. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.240 They should be counted in India have actually count them 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.600 very well. Yeah, so I kind of don't understand while 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.120 we're waiting so long, because this changes the whole political narrative. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.960 Of course, if we had have known on Saturday night 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.960 or even Sunday that these two seats were close to 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.880 these two till seats, I think it would have changed 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.560 the narrative for the Liberal Party, which of course is 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.440 a very bad narrative. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:34.200 They've been flow. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.320 But if we have a landslide regardless, but perhaps a 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.880 just a slightly less. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.520 Yeah, look, I just said that we should no sooner 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.240 and surely it wouldn't cost the AEC too much. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:45.440 More More, I think. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.240 You've got to take into account mail in ballots, and 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.240 if they're waiting for Australia Post to deliver mail that 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.320 was perhaps posted Friday, then I think that one can 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.960 understand that the number of people who are voting early 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.320 these days, it's all is, it's a lot. It used 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.800 to be something that you would just do if for 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.920 some real reason you couldn't vote on Saturday. But that 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.280 brings me to an important point being told that members 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.320 of the Jewish community, particularly the more devout members who 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:21.960 observe Sabbath, they don't vote on Saturday. They do tend 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.120 to be overrepresented in the mailing votes early votes, and 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.720 perhaps this is part of the reason why we are 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.400 seeing this swing that got Tim Wilson over the line 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.320 and may still get merely a Hamer over the line 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:35.800 in q On. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.280 There's also preferences too. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:38.960 I think the big point for this election is that 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.720 preferences really matter now more than ever. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.320 I mean, of course it was a huge win. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.680 For Labor, but actually their primary vote was lower than 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.159 what Julia Gillard got in twenty ten when she just 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.960 scraped in. So I'm just talking about first preference votes. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.520 So it's all about preferences. Now, preferences really matter. I 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.440 think going forward, people need to understand that what they 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.120 do on their head a vote card really matters. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.720 Absolutely. Now to the so called more it libs or 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.560 the bedwetters as they're also known, well, they've lost their 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.719 collective minds about the so called Trump factor. In the election, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.400 news dot com dot aus reporting that in the final 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.680 days of the election, Peter Dutton's inner circle was blaming 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.479 Donald Trump for the coalition's looming collapse. A senior Liberal 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:24.640 MP told the site, Honestly, easily, the single biggest factor 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.040 is Trump, Adam, that sounds like a rather convenient excuse. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.880 It's almost like labor blaming Russia for high energy costs. Locally, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.800 Peter Dutton lost because he was weak, had weak policies. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.120 No one could remember the policies, no one really understood 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.320 what they were had they differentiated from labor. He was 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.919 about as Trumpian as Adam Batt. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:49.920 Yeah. Look, I have to completely agree with you there. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.159 I think Trump was a factor in the election, and 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.119 it certainly hurt the coalition factor. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.440 Robert Media yeah, yes, he. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.320 Has certainly been factor with the media. You know, Trump 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.440 is not popular here. We can have to recognize that, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.200 and that's due to the media, I would say, but 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.680 it certainly doesn't explain the scale of this loss, which 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.359 is absolutely historic. And I think it's largely down to 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.120 the leadership. The leader, Peter Duttan, as much as I 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.520 like him personally, was just not an appealing character for 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.680 a large sway of Australian society and I think that 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.960 was hard. It was just to change. And then the policies, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.000 as you say, were also terrible. I mean, for me, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.160 the two that really stuck out was trying to fix 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.360 a permanent cost of living crisis with two temporary policies. 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.560 The fuel excise cut only last twelve months. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.120 After twelve months goes back up again, and the twelve 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:31.240 hundred dollars cash rebate. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.880 That just felt like a handout, which it. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.560 Was, which it was. As a Senator alex Antiks Thatt 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.240 on Outsiders on Sunday, some of the policies look like 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.080 mobile phone contracts where you get something for twelve months 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.599 and then it's taken away. I mean, really, that's not 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.159 how you fix the country. You mentioned that Donald Trump 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.279 is not popular in this country and the media is 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.279 to blame. We're are going to get to the infighting 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.719 within the Libs and the leadership battle, but first I 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:02.400 just want to play this utterly unhinged, ill informed rant 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.960 on Trump in the Australian media. This is an example 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.800 of what people on FM radio are hearing. This is 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:14.440 just so asinine. This is Gold FM heard on multiple 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.560 markets including Sydney and Melbourne. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.000 Do I read something yesterday that said, that's a thing 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.480 that said Trump officially has entered the psychotic emperor phase. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.600 He's not coming back the Pope image? 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:26.840 Was it? 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.440 That was the line? He's crossed it and he's just 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.800 kept walking. He's not trolling anymore. This is clinical delusion. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.800 The tariffs on movies, reopening Alcatraz, so these aren't policies. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.160 This is a man. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.760 Wants to reopen Alcatraz as a federal prison. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:43.160 Right Okay? 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:43.880 Yeah? 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.120 So and he said they say here, look, this is 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.600 what the same thing went on to say. Margat is 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.120 clapping along like it's a church revival. No one is 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.440 driving the bus anymore. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:57.200 Jonesy and Amanda sounds like radio for people with room 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:02.600 temperature IQ. The pope, which is what's center over the edge. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.920 It was a joke. I mean they seriously think Noald 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.320 Trump wants to be the next pope. I mean I 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.559 think it sounds like that's what they believe. But what's 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.600 your reaction? Because it's not isolated. You do hear commentary 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.320 on US politics in this country that is so comically 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.520 ill informed that you dismiss it. But then people who 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.320 aren't that much into politics hear that and believe it. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:28.640 Yeah. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.680 Look, I think the Australian liberal media here or left 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.880 wing media here, they read the US leftic media and 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.000 then they filter it once again with the left wing slants, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.720 and by the time it gets to Australians it's just 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:37.640 completely unhinged. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.480 And I think this is a classic example of that. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.920 It's just regurgitating the standard bland slogans and sound. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.079 We'll even get on as ABC that is so undt 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.360 that the ladies of the view would make maybe born Also. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:54.160 It's just ridiculous because if these people deeply care about Christianity, 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.240 I mean, they're just making up the fact that they 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.440 feel offended from the pope em engine. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.199 I don't think like listening to that, she seemed to 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.760 think it was some sort of a line that was 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.800 cross and it wasn't actually offensive because it was a 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.480 bad joke that I think she seems to think he 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:10.240 wants to be No. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:10.920 I think so. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.160 Look, Trump's the first president where we've had it really 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.319 so and he's decided to use it in an amusing way. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.360 It never used to exist, but it's a new thing, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.160 and he's obviously a funny It's funny. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.160 I mean I find it funny. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.160 Who doesn't it's funny? 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.040 Yeah, I mean it's hard not to find it funny. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.120 I think, clearly not trying to be pope. No. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.160 And if you want to find things to be genuinely 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.040 aghast about, I'm sure you can find them if it'd 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.880 be bothered reading for five minutes, but picking things like that. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.040 And then they had the most absurd discussion about this 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.600 new tariff on films that are made outside of the US, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.560 again not realizing that every argument that we're making is 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.400 precisely the reason why he's introducing this tariff, because it's 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.160 an America first policy. It's not supposed to help Australia, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.199 it's not supposed to help Canada. It's supposed to help 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.320 American filmmaking. Let's get back to the wets in the 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.600 Liberal Party pushing for a more moderate leadership ticket, which 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.080 would include Susan Lay as leader and Ted O'Brien as 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.480 shadow treasurer. Adam there are accusations flying all over the 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.199 place about who is white, anting who, and there are 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.960 certainly fingers being pointed at Susan Lay. She's been accused 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.720 of consistently undermining the leader and the party. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.960 Well look, I don't know the internals of the Liberal Party, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:28.959 of the factions and all that sort of squabbling, but 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.679 the accusation that it was a far right. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.840 Campaign is kind of absurd. I don't see how they 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.600 could they could possibly become more moderate. I mean, if 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.880 you just look at the fiscal outlooks. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.640 I mean, the coalition released their own fiscal outlook just 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.320 a few days before the election, and it was exactly 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.960 the same, if not worse than Labors in terms of 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:46.760 debt and deficit. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.600 So you know, it was basically a labor like campaign, 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:50.120 you know. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.000 So the argument that, oh, gosh, they were too far 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.439 right is just complete nonsense. I think, you know, if 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.719 they lost, because you know, I mean, if you want 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.800 to say it was the policy platform that lost in 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.920 the election. It was because they were too much like labor, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.439 not the other way around. So I think that's a 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:04.680 lesson that has to be learned. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.480 This is the lesson that is never learned though, whenever 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.199 the Liberals do go moderate and they become labor light 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.920 there less and they lose invariably when they do that, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.960 the lesson is, oh, we need to go more left. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.360 We were too scary and right wing and too wrapped 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.160 up in the culture wars. And we've seen that in Victoria, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.520 we've seen it in WA and I do fear it's 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.240 going to happen federally because they always listen to the 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:31.959 worst advice imaginable. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.880 But I mean, obviously, whoever becomes leader, I mean it's 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.120 basically who wants to lose the next election kind of thing. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.600 It's a hospital class, isn't it. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:37.800 Really. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.680 It's so I do sympathize with. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.440 You know, some of the rumors are that certain people 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.280 aren't going to run, and that's probably why. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.119 But it's going to be a long and hard rebuild. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.880 So you do need to make this next decision right. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.200 You can't just write off the next couple of years. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.240 You need to start the work now, and that's where 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.040 they faulted. And that's what we've been saying on this 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.440 program all year. They just haven't done the work to 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.560 be ready for this election. Before you go, there's already 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.200 power plays happening within the newly re elected Labor government. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.960 The powerful environmental wing of the party is pushing the 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.760 Prime Minister to adopt eight seventy plus percent emission reduction 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.760 target by twenty thirty five, and they also want to 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:23.960 pass the so called Nature Positive laws within a year. Adam, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.240 this would be disastrous for the nation on so many 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.680 different fronts. The Nature Positive proposal just in itself would 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.880 frustrate just a add every major development, from mining projects 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:43.160 to large scale building developments, hospitals, newer states, everything. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:43.480 Yeah. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.840 Look, we really have to hope that sensible voices in 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.160 the Labor Party prevail on these issues. It's certainly a 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.280 much expanded party room. I don't know whether the new 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.880 Labor MPs are more kind of centrist or left. I'm 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.040 still I'm still yet to read analysis on that. Hopefully 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.520 more centrists and they want to keep their seats the 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.680 next election, and so that actually could be a. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.120 Moderator force on the Labor Party. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.840 All of these new MPs there will be in seats 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.560 that could change back next time. They won't want to 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.000 do anything too extreme. I think that's a good thing, but. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.400 That sounds like wish for thinking. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.760 Well, but just ontin thermissions. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.559 Very briefly, look, I mean if they legislate seventy it's 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.640 not going to happen anyway. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.440 The forty three is not going to happen. They've actually 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:17.400 only already will. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.040 Back up the country trying to get there. That's the fear. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.079 Of course, it's not going to happen. But how much 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.079 that's true. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.160 They will do it a lot as a long the 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:24.719 way that is. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.840 True, Adam christ And thanks for your time. Thanks Joining 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.720 me now is Women's Forum Australian CEO Rachel Wong. Rachel, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.559 let's start reports that Labor and the Greens in New 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.720 South Wales are rushing through legislation introduced by Greens MLC 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.959 doctor Amanda Cone to expand access to abortion in New 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.360 South Wales. A rally protesting the move was held earlier 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.840 this evening. What do you make of this bill and 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.000 the push to get it through the New South Wales 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.480 Parliament within the next week or so. Why is there 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.359 such a need for this urgency. 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.680 There is no genuine need or level of urgency whatsoever. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.560 This is not a necessary. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.679 Piece of legislation. Quite the opposite. We already have abortion for. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.440 Any stage, for any reason in New South Wales, and 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.240 I'm quite frankly, really confused as to why the New 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.880 South Wales Labor government finds it necessary to align with 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.480 the Greens and support the Greens on such a radical 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:26.320 piece of legislation. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.400 Well, what will be the changes if this goes through? 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.640 If their abortion is already available at every stage of 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.160 pregnancy and readily available, what is this legislation going to do? 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.680 So, the big thing that this bill will do is 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.920 make doctors and hospitals who are opposed to abortion for medical, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.280 ethical or religious reasons, it will force them to violate 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.280 their conscience and be involved in ensuring abortion in New 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.280 South Wales, ensuring access to abortion, and so that aspect 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:59.680 of the bill has been talked about quite a lot. 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.480 The free of conscience issue, which is a big one 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.920 because obviously freedom is a very different right for Australians 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.080 and we shouldn't be forced to do things that we 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.080 believer are morally or ethically wrong. Another aspect of the 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.160 bill that hasn't been talked about quite so much is 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.120 the way that it will put women at grave risk. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.960 So at the moment in New South Wales, medical abortions 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.120 can be performed, but they need to be performed by 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.960 a doctor. This bill will expand the legislation to allow 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.720 nurses and midwives and other unnamed health practitioners to perform 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.320 medical abortions. And the idea that Colin has is that 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.960 this will allow women in regional and rural areas to 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.200 have better access. But the reality is these women that 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.600 Colin wants to help are the women who are going 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.040 to be most at risk from this legislation, because these 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.920 are the women who have less access to medical support 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.480 and help if they have adverse complications following a medical abortion. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.080 And as we saw come out of the US last week, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.640 the biggest study of medical abortion to date has shown 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.680 that women more than one in ten women experience adverse reactions, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.520 serious adverse events, including life threatening events, following medical abortion, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.880 and this just has not been something that's communicated to 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.760 women the way it should be in terms of the 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.160 rest involved, and expanding abortion in this way is extremely 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:14.480 dangerous and responsible. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:20.200 Now Rachel. Worrying vision has emerged of Australian Electoral Commission 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:25.600 officials instructing Family First candidate Ray Ramsey to stop promoting 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:30.600 her anti late term abortion policy out of Victorian polling booth. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.600 They say that they had complaints that had three complaints. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.840 So one of the video shows, let's have a look 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.479 at a couple of these interactions. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.120 You have had a number of complaints that you have 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:47.400 been using disruptive rhetoric. Talking about killing babies was the 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.760 one that came to me. I am just here to 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.320 ask you to tone it down. If you do not 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.680 and we continue to see received complaints, we're going to 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.840 have you again. You've had at least three complaints. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.840 Did I talk about late JOm abortion, ma'am. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.240 I am not here to get into politics. I am 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:07.280 just here to give you a warning. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.800 I'm not a candidate. I'm allowed to shame of policies. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.119 If we continue to get complaints, I will have to 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:12.600 take further. 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.560 Actually, that's all I'm saying to me. We will have 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:16.240 to call the police. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.520 You're going to call the police on me if it's 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.760 continuous keep. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.240 Mentioning my late chamb abortion polishish. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.080 If you can disrupt voters. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.960 Do you understand I understand what you're shamed, but I 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.240 don't think you have that power. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.600 I definitely do just that point before now if I 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:34.320 can please. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:34.879 Ask, can I shay that? 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.719 What can I say our publishing else, every every other 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:37.919 of you. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.960 I'm not allowed to mention abortion. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:40.920 Just for now. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.880 I've had some complaints and I just want to run 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:43.440 it up the team. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.760 Okay, you wouldn't I thank you, Rachel. That's one of 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.680 her policies. Is she not allowed to talk about it 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.679 because two or three people have complained? Can I go 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.040 and complain that I don't want Green's candidates talking to 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.840 people because they're global warming scare mongering is upsetting the 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.080 children a bit. It seems absurd that a candidate can 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.240 be silenced in that. 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:12.960 Way, Absolutely insane, reta and honestly quite terrifying for Australia. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.120 And as you point out, there is one hundred percent 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.000 a double standard here. This is literally one of the 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.879 bodies that has been tasked as safeguarding our democracy and 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.040 to see them shutting down a candidate's freedom of speech 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.400 during the federal election, I think is just absolutely atrocious 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.960 and of course Australians are free to oppose her views 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.320 and they're free not to vote for her, and they 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.359 could have done that or not done that, as the 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.199 case may be inside the polling booth. But you know, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.840 latein abortion, this is not a fringish. We had bombshow 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.639 revelations coming out of South Australia last year in Queensland 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.640 as well about how babies are being left to die 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.679 after Latin abortions, to the degree that there was a 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.920 bill put forward in South Australia which only lost by 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.800 one vote, to protect babies born after twenty eight weeks. 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.280 And there've been horrific stories by midwives who have you 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.400 had to see babies being left to die after these abortions, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.120 and so this is this is a genuine, you know, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.040 policy that has obviously put forward in good faith to 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.480 deal with a genuine issue that we're having in our society. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.000 And you know, it's just it's not acceptable for these 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.080 Electoral Commission staffers to have shut this woman down. I 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.080 think there needs to be an investigation and into this 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.919 kind of thing happening during especially during elections, and you know, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.000 look that's saladsing clearly something that is reflective of a 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.159 broader issue. In our culture and our institutions when it 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.000 comes to censorship. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.920 And just before you go, Rachel, I want to play 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.640 you this footage of Till mp ZO Daniel or former 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.399 til MPZO and Daniel. You can add her to the 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.120 long list of supposed women rights campaigners who can't tell 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.399 you what a woman is. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.240 I think I've done a lot of stuff for women. 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:47.760 Is that right? 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:48.080 Sure? 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.760 And general equality was one of my central issues at 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:51.720 the last campaign. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.160 What is a woman? 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:53.320 Though? 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:58.280 Can you define it? 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.560 Yeah? I think anyway done it. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.000 They continue to treat it like it's a gotcha question. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.320 Rachel Wong, thank you so much for your time tonight. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.159 Thanks Mia still to come left he is losing it. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.280 Plus a bombshell story revealing how the FBI books it's 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:20.040 investigation of the congressional baseball shooting downplaying the gunman's anti 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:33.040 Trump motives. Batti Junga sa Gone joins me. Next, you're 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.160 watching the Reader Panny Show and it's time for lefties 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.399 are losing it and it's time to checking again on 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.879 the Lunatic Asylum masquerading as a news network known as MSNBC, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.960 And let's listen to this hot take from Joe Scarborough. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.919 AOC may be more progressive than a lot of people. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.000 I also understand that she's one of the most articulate, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.560 exciting people in the democratic fields. He goes out with 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:04.160 Bernie and yeah, she just draws so many People's very good, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:05.720 very effective in hearings. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.840 They need somebody young like AOC. And again it's not 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.879 about ideology, you know. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.400 They she can carry the message forward for a Democratic party. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.760 That really needs to reach out the younger Americans. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.080 Yes, let's have a look at just how articulate and 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:27.000 impressive IOC is prepared to be dazzled by her red 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:32.119 genius even as a waitress. If any of you. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:39.800 All else have gotten gone like completely mad, like like 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:45.479 whatever you know and like or whatever, like just like 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:50.720 it's like like it's like this like like like what 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.720 people are starting to see, at least in the occupation 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.600 of Palestine. 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.360 You use the term the occupation of Palestine. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:00.840 What did you mean by that? 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.560 Oh? 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.199 I think what I meant is like the settlements that 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.159 are increasing in some of these areas, in places where 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:19.960 or Palestinians are experiencing difficulty and access to their housing 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:20.680 and homes. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:22.400 Do you think you can expand on that. 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.360 Yeah, I mean I think i'd also just I am 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.320 not the expert gio politics on this issue, you. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.080 Know, Oh dear, that's AOC over the years. She really 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.919 is the future. Please make her the leader because I 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:40.240 think she'll make Krmala look like a visionary. Now, Joe 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.560 Scarborough has form for saying spectacular stupid things. It's a 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.159 requirement of all the MSNBC anchors to say silly things 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.240 or just lie to their audience. Remember when he said 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.600 this not long before Joe Biden was forced to announce 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.440 the end of his re election campaign. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.520 I've said it for years now. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.199 He's cogent, but I undersold him when I said he 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:07.040 was cogent. He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:14.760 he's better than he's ever been intellectually analytically, because he's 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:15.600 been around. 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:16.200 For fifty years. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.840 Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.600 you the truth and FU if you can't handle the truth. 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:32.399 This version of Biden intellectually analytically is the best Biden ever, 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.040 not a close second. 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:35.439 And I've known him for years. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.600 The Brazinskis have known him for fifty years. If it 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.760 weren't the truth, I wouldn't say. 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.600 It best, Biden. Evan f you if you can't handle 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:49.000 the truth, dear, dear, Now, Joe Scarbrough was telling the 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:53.320 dem witted MSNBC audience long after that that Kamala had 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.520 it in the bag. She was going to beat Trump. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.359 When you start seeing numbers, real numbers, like what's going 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:04.879 on in Georgia, suddenly you feel like telling Democrats that 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.639 are bitching and moaning about what the Harris campaign's doing. 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:13.119 Hey, calm down, you know what. Victory is in sight 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.840 in less than three weeks. If you go out, work hard, 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.199 and do your job. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.640 The opponent is imploding and Harris is doing better than ever. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:29.159 Victory is in sight. Sadly it wasn't. It was a 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.959 landslide loss that was in sight. But you know what, 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.320 we never got any apologies for those truths. But we 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.679 did get an apology in recent days from MSNBC after 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:41.879 they aired this bit of fake news. 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.160 What do you make of that that he's just been 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.200 a little less visible than I think a lot of 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:48.560 people Trump observers expected he would be. 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.960 Yeah, well, reportedly has been visible at nightclubs far more 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:54.919 than he has been on the seventh floor of the 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:55.679 Hoover Building. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.240 Oh really, it wasn't long before we got this correction. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.840 Circle back to a segment from Friday Show. Frankfort Gluesy 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.000 was on that morning during this hour discussing the work 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:06.320 of administration officials. 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:07.040 At the end of that. 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.560 Segment, for Glucy said the FBI director Cash Pttel has 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.919 reportedly been more visible at nightclubs than at his office 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.399 at FBI headquarters. This was a misstatement. We have not 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:17.920 verified that claim. 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.600 And here is another MSNBC favorite, this time appearing on 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.560 another platform. This is Ellie miss stew And this lefty 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:29.160 losing it loves illegal immigration so much he doesn't even 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.560 care if an illegal immigrant kills him. He wants you 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:33.200 to know that. 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.480 Why do I care what their status was when they 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.720 committed the crime, if you can prove they committed a crime. 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.560 I say in the book, if I get shot, if 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.280 I get murdered by an undocumented immigrant, please tell my 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.880 children I did not care that they were undocumented. 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.880 Right now, to New York Attorney General Letitia James, who 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.760 was elected on a platform of getting Donald Trump, and 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:03.680 he was facing serious investigations over alleged mortgage fraud. Well, 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.399 she's on the war path. 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.359 You want me to sit in my seat and stand 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:13.560 idly by and allow this craziness to happen. You could 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.840 come after me if you want, But you elected me 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:17.760 to stand up. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:19.720 You elected me to. 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:20.440 Use the law. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:22.919 You elected me to go to court. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:24.520 You elected me. 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.639 To continue to challenge this administration. You elected me to 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:32.000 stand up for the least of God's children. You elected 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.560 me to continue fighting on Wow. 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:40.320 Joining me now is journalist and author Batia Ungasagan Battia 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.640 Letitia James. She's facing a serious investigation, but she's at 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:49.760 the moment leading a coalition of twenty states ensuing the 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.960 Trump administration over its cuts to the Department of Health 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:55.080 and Human Services. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.680 It's so amazing how the defenders of democrat see you know, trademark, 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.560 you know, are always out here accusing Trump of not 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.359 believing in you know, the three branches of government and 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.800 not believing in our democracy, when it is they who 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:14.160 believe that the executive should effectively have zero power. I mean, 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.240 what law has he broken by suggesting that he wants 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.760 to limit the staff of the federal government. The whole 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.199 thing is ridiculous, and it just shows once again how 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.080 the Democrats have no platform. They have no agenda. It 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:32.560 is all just performance art, and in let Teacha James's case, 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.520 she's obviously trying to distract from the fact that she 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:41.560 got caught out doing the exact crimes that she pretended 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.399 Donald Trump was doing when she went after him. He 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.239 was not actually committing any crimes. But she has been 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.679 accused very credibly of mortgage fraud, as you say, and 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.520 so you know, performance art distraction. This is the name 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.639 of the game when it comes to the Democrats today. 0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.439 That's really all they have at this point. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:06.040 The law fed that we're using it before the election campaign, 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.280 and since the landslide victory, it seems to be all 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:14.040 they have is just trying to obstruct Trump through the courts, 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:19.600 going to the most activist judges they can find to 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.960 try to frustrate the agenda. Is it working though, Is 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:28.040 it causing this chaos that is frustrating the Trump administration? 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.040 I don't think it's working at all, Rita. And the 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.680 reason I say that is because most of their efforts 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.440 with the law have been around the issue of immigration. 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.680 That's the one area where Donald Trump's numbers are still very, 0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:46.840 very good. The American people are with him on immigration. 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.840 He is winning on that issue, despite the fact that 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.960 the Democrats have gone overboard trying to protect all of 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.600 these gang bangers that Trump is so eager to get 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:57.400 out of the country. 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.280 This is a bombshell story. Let's look at the New 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.560 York Post report on this. The FBI botched its investigation 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:14.640 of the twenty seventeen congressional baseball shooting, downplaying the government's 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:22.200 anti GOP the anti Republican motives. Despite having handwritten evidence, 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.280 they wrongly claimed that it was a suicide by copp attack. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.400 This is the findings of a report by the House 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:34.440 Judiciary Committee, the Intelligence Committee, and Intelligence Subcommittee on Oversight 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:39.760 and Investigation. They come through around three three thousand case 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:46.000 file documents on this attack that wounded six people, including 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.480 the current House Majority Leader Steve Scalese, who was very 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.040 lucky to survive that shooting. Let's hear from him. 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:57.800 They ultimately let us know what their conclusion was, and 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.040 that's when they said it was class his suicide by 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.880 cop And I'll tell you I was offended. I think 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.600 all of us there were highly offended that that was 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.760 the conclusion that the FBI in twenty seventeen came to 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.959 because it wasn't what happened on the baseball field. He 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.960 went there with the intention of killing all of us 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.160 on the baseball field, and he had a list in 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.200 his pocket of other Republicans he wanted to kill. It 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.560 was very politically motivated and it was clear they suppressed 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.120 a lot of facts and what the FBI report that 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:34.600 cash Ptel's FBI came out with today shows they suppressed 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.800 factual evidence to reach a different conclusion. 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:45.200 Patilla, this is just a shocking, shocking example of why 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.880 the FBI needs reform, why has become so mistrusted by 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.240 huge segments of the community. This man went there to 0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.440 kill Republicans. 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.360 Yeah, you know, it's so funny because there there's this 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.600 canard in the United States that's promulgated by the left 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.960 that political violence is something that happens on the right. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.520 And the reason that they are able to get away 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.560 with this lie is because it is the right that 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.520 is heavily armed in America. But the vast majority of 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.680 the political violence in this country comes from the political left, 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:31.120 the vast majority, and this is a perfect example of that. 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.880 To where the FBI itself was engaged in this alleged 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:42.200 cover up of left wing anti conservative political violence because 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.840 it doesn't fit the narrative that they have been pushing 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:51.800 to smear Republicans and smear Conservatives as being violent when 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.800 these are people who own a lot of guns and 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.600 never ever use them in a political manner. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:04.480 Well, the examples of left wing violence in America just 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.160 in recent years are enormous. We saw those BLM riots 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:15.720 that destroyed neighborhood cities, around two billion dollars worth of damage, 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:22.080 around twenty people killed, dozens more seriously injured. We have 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.080 they heard had any condemnation of that, and yet the 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:30.280 Democrats went on about the January sixth riots for five years. 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.760 It's all we've been hearing about since it occurred. The 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:40.800 Antifa riots. Right now, we're seeing Tesla dealerships and individuals 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:45.360 who are in Tesla's having their property vandalize. The examples 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:49.240 of us not to mention the campus protests, and let's 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.720 talk about the campus protests, because there's been some consequences 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.240 to that. Columbia University is going to have to cut 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.320 around one hundred and eighty staff members because the Trump 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.760 administration has announced it's canceling four hundred million dollars in 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:09.240 federal funding. The Columbia University announced these cuts overnight. The 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.680 Ivy League school was targeted for these cuts because of 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:18.760 its failure to protect Jewish students from anti Semitic harassment. 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.600 I'm having a trouble feeling sorry for Columbia here. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.719 Yeah, that's absolutely right. The things that the Trump administration 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:33.560 is asking from these universities are things that they already 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.480 owe their students in exchange for federal funding. We have 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.280 civil rights laws that they are expected to follow, which 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.080 they really failed to do in the case of Jewish students. 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:48.200 I'm not one who felt that Jewish students were actually unsafe. 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.000 I don't like that language. I think it diminishes the 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.600 power that we have in our community. I don't think 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.040 they were physically unsafe. But what they worried or was 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.960 they were discriminated against buy administration that treats all of 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.560 its students one way and its Jewish students another way, 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:09.000 and it expected them to just eat the harassment that 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.600 they were facing. And that is discriminatory. And as a result, 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.520 the Trump administration is withdrawn it's funding. It's such an 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.520 amazing moment. I mean, you know, as a Jewish American 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.440 to see the President standing up from my rights. It's 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:27.080 a really, really wonderful thing that's happening. Unfortunately, many many 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.000 Jews in America are on the left and are Democrats, 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.000 about two thirds to three quarters of the community, and 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.440 so they don't really recognize what a gift this is. 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.600 That does not diminish the fact that the Trump administration 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.000 is standing up for our community in a very unique 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.600 and unprecedented way, and I am very grateful for it. 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.280 Well, the Trump administration has stood up for the Jewish 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.120 community in America in an unprecedented way, but also for 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.040 the State of Israel that the support has given Israel 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.239 during the first Trump administration and continues to get. And yet, 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.320 as you mentioned there but here, the majority of Jewish 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:09.439 Americans vote left, and they still did even after all 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.640 the violence we saw on campuses or the left wing violence. 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.680 The fact that Kamala Harris did not pick the best 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.880 VP candidate, Shapiro because his Jewish you served in the IDEF, 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:23.960 and she thought that was going to cause us some problems, 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.280 despite the fact it was the governor of Pennsylvania, crucial 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:32.080 swing state. I could go on, what is it going 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:38.880 to take for the Jewish community to break that you'd 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:45.040 call it a toxic relationship with the Democrats. The Democrats 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:50.479 have got deep seated anti Semitic issues within the party. 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.120 So I'm so glad you asked me that because I'm 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:56.279 currently writing my third book on this exact topic, why 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.920 Jews are Democrats and why the Left is turning on 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.920 the Jews. The reason that Jewish Americans are overwhelmingly Democrat 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.719 is the same reason any group in America is overwhelmingly Democrat, 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.600 which is they A lot of American Jews have a 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.719 college degree. So about thirty percent of Americans have a 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.200 college degree. Sixty percent of American Jews have a college degree. 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:18.480 So what you would expect from that college being the 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.120 number one predictor for Democrat politics would be that the 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.800 community would be twice as likely to vote for the Democrats. 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.200 And that's exactly the numbers you see. However, this is 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:31.440 all changing because my community, the Orthodox community, is a 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.240 lot less beholden to the woke ideology in the universities. 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.279 The ultra Orthodox community doesn't go to college at all 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.640 and is much more likely to be conservative. Of course, 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.640 we have conservative social values, and so you know, in 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.560 thirty years and forty years, most American Jews will be 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.440 Republicans just because the Orthodox have so many more children, 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.400 and a lot of the non Orthodox marry out and 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.680 their children are not Jewish at all. So the community 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:57.080 is really rapidly changing. 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:01.759 Right now, Let's get back to that law fare we 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:06.239 were speaking about and attempts to obstruct the Trump Administration's policies. 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:09.520 That Trump administration has had some good news this week 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.600 with a Supreme Court yesterday siding with the with Trump 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:17.040 in lifting a lower court order this is going to 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:22.200 that was pausing the transgender military ban from taking effect. 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.920 This means Trump's orders will proceed. Tell me about this 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:31.240 decision and why this policy was introduced in the first place. 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.759 This is one of those issues where the administration just 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.160 has the support of eighty percent of Americans. I think 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:44.719 there is a feeling that transgender individuals are on a 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:49.520 lot of medications. There is the question of gender dysphoria, 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.719 which is a mental illness, and many trans people that 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:56.080 is how they describe what it means to be transgender. 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.240 And these are just things that you don't necessarily want 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.919 to have to be thinking about in a military context 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:12.000 of heightened security, intense emotions, intense physicality. Men, I think 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:18.120 very much are are trained to be protectors. If they're 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.240 in a situation, a combat situation and their fellow soldier 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.839 is a woman or looks like a woman and could 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.960 be mistaken for a woman, you know, this is authorny situation. 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.200 And I think right now the military is sort of 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.080 re orienting itself under the guidance of Trump and Pete 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.040 hegseth to be more traditional in its values and its 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:42.720 approach and its esthetic and in terms of recruitment, giving 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.959 men a feeling of pride and being protectors and being 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.799 part of the military. So I think that the Trump 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.640 administration politically is on very solid ground. This is not 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.839 like saying you can't be gay in the military. It's 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:01.920 very different because it's a very There's this feeling among 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:06.799 the Democrats the left they think of LGBT as one thing, 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:12.200 but normal people, like regular middle class, working class people, 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.759 they really don't see it that way. They see gay as, 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.800 you know, being totally consistent with all their other conservative values. 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.200 They know gay people, they go to church with gay people, 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.240 and they see trands in a very different light, especially 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.280 when it comes to things like transgender people in women's 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.760 sports or in women's bathrooms or talking to their children 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:33.120 or in the military. 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:39.080 There is and there is a separation happening within that community. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.799 Some would like it to be a more profound separation, 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.640 but certainly there are plenty of people who are the 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:49.279 LGBs end of the spectrum who have no time for 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:54.080 the rest of the letters and their activism. Buttel Gasagon, 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.840 thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you, 0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.600 Rita god Brush still to come. A threat to democracy 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.720 in Germany amid efforts to ban the right wing AfD party. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:16.560 Ralph Solhammer has the details welcome back. Now we hear 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:20.080 about threats to democracy, Well, here is a real example 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:24.400 the growing efforts in Germany to ban the AfD party. 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:28.759 The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, a 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:33.640 German intelligence agency, has released a statement saying that following 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:38.440 an investigation, they now classify the AfD as a confirmed 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:44.640 right wing extremist endeavor and a racist and anti Muslim organization. 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.719 The Germans by agency claims central to our assessment is 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:53.680 the ethnically and ancestrally defined concept of the people that 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:58.719 shapes the AfD, which devalues entire segments of the population 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.720 in Germany. And via relates their human dignity. It aims 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:07.359 to exclude certain population groups from equal participation in society, 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:12.640 subject them to unconstitutional discrimination, and thus assign them a 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:19.080 legally devalued status. Joining me now is lecturer, commentator, podcaster, 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.880 the head of the Center of History at the Matthias 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:28.000 Corvinus College in Budapest, Ralph Scholhammer, Ralph. That sounds like 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:33.480 a very politically charged description. They're not something you would 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.400 expect from an intelligence agency. What is your response to 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.719 those claims from the Federal Office for the Protection of 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:42.520 the Constitution. 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.319 What I think the most remarking remarkable thing is that 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.600 all of this is based on a one thousand page 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.600 report that they refuse to publish. So you have this 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.080 odd situation. Imagine yourself being a member of the AfD 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.480 or the head of the AfD, and somebody comes to 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.600 you and says, we now have the legal rights to 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:04.320 spy on you, to cut funding to why atape your communications? 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.920 And you say, but based on which grounds? And then 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.000 they say, unfortunately, we cannot tell you because that is 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.319 not for public knowledge. It's a very odd that would say, 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.319 an almost studinesque approach, and it shows you as We 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.000 have discussed in your show many times that very often 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.920 those who constantly talk about threats to democracy are themselves 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.879 the greatest threat to democracy. It's a very serious case 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:25.440 of projection. 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:31.120 I would say, oh, absolutely, what are the grounds they've given, 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:36.360 What explanations are there for keeping this eleven hundred page 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.080 intelligence report secret. 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.600 Surely the public is entitled to know why they've come 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:47.080 up with this assessment that the AfD is an extremist organization. 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.680 Well, the problem is that in order to band the AfD, 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.600 which is where they want to go, you would have 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.640 to prove that the AfD in fact wants to overthrow 0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.920 the democratic system in Germany. Unfortunately for them and fortunately 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.760 for the supports of the AfD, there is no indication 0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.000 that these are the plans of the AfD, like there 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.080 are no statements, there is nothing in the party plan. 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.400 You can say they are far right, extreme right, ultra 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.160 megamaga rite, whatever the term is. But all of this 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.400 is permitted under the constitution. The problem would only be 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.799 if they would say, we want to change the democratic 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.520 system in Germany and create the dictatorship, but in a 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.200 re erect a fascist state, whatever it is. But they 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.440 don't so what they come up with is, and you 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.359 already alluded to this in your introduction, is that they 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:35.480 define Germany or being German as an ethnic concept. Well, 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.200 that's not entirely new, and you see this all around 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.040 the world. But the argument of the AfD has been 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.120 that being German, just like being Australian, is more than 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.200 having a German or Australian or Austrian or you name it, 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:53.160 passport right. They believe that loyalty, commitment, cultural integration is 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.560 a long term process. You might disagree with this approach. 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.080 You might agree with this approach, but it's definitely not illegal, 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.919 and it's definitely not the constitutional. And the other thing 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.880 is which I find quite odd given the events, and 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.760 we also have discussed in a show in the past 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.080 what happened in Germany over the last couple of years, 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.160 of what happened in Europe over the last couple of years. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.879 To be critical of mass migration from Muslim countries, that's 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.000 a majority opinion, and I think there are very good 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.800 grounds to be critical of it, because the social cohesion 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:25.200 trust in society, the burden on the social systems, on schools, 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.040 on educational systems due to that kind of migration has 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.040 been enormous and this is what the AfD is against. Again, 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.680 you can share the view, you can disagree with the view, 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.279 but all of it is within the constitutional bounce. 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:42.000 Absolutely. I mean, this is the top issue in Europe, arguably, 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.880 the mass migration that's changed the face of so many 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.600 places across the continent. And if the people can't have 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.279 a say on whether they support this mass migration, whether 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.640 they want to see more of it, then really, what 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.160 is the point of the democratic process right now? What 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:03.400 is the day's support in Germany? They certainly did well 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:08.920 at the recent elections. Are they amongst the most popular parties? 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.160 Well, according to the most recent tolls we have, they 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.279 are the most popular party. I mean they currently come 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.000 in the polls at around twenty six twenty seven percent, 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.759 about three percentage points ahead of the Conservative Party. Maybe 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.560 we have time to talk a little bit about Freedich 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:27.800 metsis the future chancellor's massive disaster yesterday in German Parliament 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.200 where he could not secure a majority to become chancellor 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.520 in the first round of voting, something that has never 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.439 happened in the history of Germany since nineteen forty five. 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.320 And what we can see here and that's a trend, 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.920 and not just in Germany. We see it in France, 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:43.280 we saw it in Romania, we see it in the UK. 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.920 We saw it with Donald Trump before his election November 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.480 of twenty twenty four. There is an attempt to weaponize 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:53.480 the legal system, the judicial system, anything at the disposal 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:57.400 of the status coaldes to prevent alternatives to come to 0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.720 power by legal means. And this is a real problem 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.960 because my big issues always want, which is that if 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.880 you prevent people to vote in alternatives. It's kind of 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.640 funny that the German name is the alternative and for Germany, 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:12.799 but it doesn't matter if it's Trump, Lupen Faraj, you 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.480 name it, because at some point people say, if the 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:19.560 system does not allow me to affect change within the system, 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:21.799 then we need a new system. So again, as I 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:26.040 said before, those who pretend to protect democracy have become 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.600 its biggest threats because people are increasingly frustrated and there 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.720 is nothing more dangerous to democracy than if a growing 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.120 number of people feels that the vote makes no difference. 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.000 And this is the direction which we're going. 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:44.480 Well, you mentioned some examples there, from North America to Romania, 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:49.080 France and Germany, what is next for Germany? What is 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.960 their government going to look like? And what are the 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:56.960 chances that the most popular party is going to be 0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:01.600 labeled an extremist organization. I guess next step is that 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.840 may be excluded from the democratic process. They may not 0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.160 be allowed to run in elections, and we've seen candidates 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.160 be excluded in countries like Romania. 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.480 Well. Lenin once said that if the Germans want to 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.520 storm a train station, the first buy a ticket. And 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.319 what he wants to say about what he meant by 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:25.040 this is that the Germans are not pre sae revolutionary people, right, 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.040 and this has been a strength of them. They are 0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.040 usually they play by the rules, but if they get 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.759 angry and if they explode, as we know historical clear right, 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.680 it can get very very nasty. And we sometimes underestimate 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.520 how quickly societies can be pushed to the brink. I'm 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.080 sure that maybe some of your viewers and listeners are 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:46.520 familiar with David Beatts is a British strategist at King's College, 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:49.680 and he makes this claim that many European societies are 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.400 probably much closer to the brink of civil undrest and 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.440 civil war than we realize. And I think this is true. 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.400 For now. People are still holding back because a crucial 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.319 number still believe that their votes does in fact make 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.440 a difference, that the democratic process is in fact working. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.759 But Germany is a great example. If you try to 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:11.919 outlaw the most popular party, you're basically disenfranchising almost one 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.080 third of the people or one third of the voters 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.840 that cannot just blow over. There's this odd idea within 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.520 the traditional parties in Germany. They sincerely believe that, they 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.200 say this in interviews, that if we band the AfD, 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.000 all those voters are just come back to us. But 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.239 they left you because they no longer trust you for 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.399 good reasons, like mister Mertz, if you make promises, did 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.840 you forget twenty minutes after the last polling station has closed? 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.280 But people will not just come back to you. First, 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.880 they will retreat from the political process. Then they will 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.200 get angry, and if they don't have an alternative the 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.000 voting booth, they will try to, let's say, voice their 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.839 dissatisfaction in other ways. And yes, of course this could 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:50.959 get violent at some point. 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.440 Ralph Schulhammer, appreciate your insights, Thanks so much for your 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.600 time tonight. That's it from May app next is news, 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:01.560 not a see you at eleven tomorrow night.