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Speaker 1: Everything can be past, present, future.

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Speaker 2: Am I the only one?

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Speaker 1: We did this last week guys, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you remember, we asked the people of sit him are

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Speaker 1: the only one who's escaped from prison?

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Speaker 3: Has legal department been because there was a warning regarding

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Speaker 3: there was and.

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Speaker 1: I must get the warning again that the signal we're

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Speaker 1: about to do could be a bit dicey, could be

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Speaker 4: Three members from the HR department have actually escaped from

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Speaker 4: child and shell.

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Speaker 5: It's p X mate. It's called the people management anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I love experiences with people.

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Speaker 1: It's a red balloon voucher of a department. So THEO

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Speaker 1: is we've had people submit thanks manhead.

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Speaker 5: Max waiting at the moment. Is it hot in the tommy?

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Speaker 3: What do you got?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a red box in front of me.

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Speaker 5: Okay. What we've had is we've.

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Speaker 1: Had people submit their question their their submissions by the

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Speaker 1: only one in Sydney who has done this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, can we put it in a box? I

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Speaker 3: don't know why we do.

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Speaker 5: We get Brad Pitte saying, what's in the bar?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: That's great, snitch.

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Speaker 5: If you're listening next week, boy, you get justin Tim

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Speaker 5: Blake's song some Sandburg in your Steel Box. They put

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Speaker 5: that in an envelope.

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Speaker 1: Not eat this one, all right?

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Speaker 3: Got a drone here, Lennon.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, we're meant to be serious, and I must

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Speaker 1: have been. Okay, so I've opened the box. I've opened

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Speaker 1: the envelope and now opening the letter.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here read the letter, Yes, tribal cancel.

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Speaker 1: Am I the only one who was a spy?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Shivers? Okay, okay, now suggesting there could be more

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Speaker 1: If you are give us all in twenty four ten, how.

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Speaker 3: Many spies are they? Are we talking?

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Speaker 6: Are we're talking FBI tar spy, official spy ex girlfriends.

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Speaker 5: But see, this is what I heard as well.

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Speaker 4: Is that and obviously you're not a current spy because

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Speaker 4: you're not ringing us, but previous spies can tell us

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Speaker 4: their past periods. Is definitely what I heard is that

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Speaker 5: And they asked, would you like to be a spy?

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Speaker 3: So one of us could be a spy right now

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Speaker 3: I might be working for Jones and Amanda. You don't

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Speaker 3: even know what on earth would you be taking back.

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Speaker 5: That they want to come here.

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Speaker 3: The north right after.

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Speaker 5: This explains a decade of mediocre.

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Speaker 3: They are good people.

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Speaker 1: You're not right that day. Well, now, now the person

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Speaker 1: who submitted the question came am I. The only one

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Speaker 1: listening who is a spy is Rod. Okay, and Rod,

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Speaker 1: We've given him a callback and he's on the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Rod.

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Speaker 7: Good morning Rod.

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Speaker 3: So this is a fascinating topic. So you were a spy?

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: That is correct? I was a spy for the Australian government.

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Speaker 4: Were you approached Rod to do this or did you

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Speaker 7: Well, I wasn't approached. I applied for a position in

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Speaker 4: So can I ask the first things Rod, Because did

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Speaker 4: getting mixed up and people finding out about this. So

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Speaker 7: I was in my early twenties at the time, and

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Speaker 7: I was a single man. I just applied for a

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Speaker 7: Believe it or not, the vault door was closed behind me,

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Speaker 7: for and he slid across the piece of paper across

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Speaker 7: confidential and Joint Intelligence Organization had applied for a job

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Speaker 7: do it that way these days. When I was in

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Speaker 7: my early twenties, that's the way they did it. I

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Speaker 4: And what would have happened in that moment if you'd

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Speaker 4: said no, because you've obviously applied for something totally different.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well he did actually said, do you feel comfortable

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Speaker 7: of course, like any good potential spy, I said, of course,

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Speaker 7: the job. You know, what did you do, though.

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Speaker 3: Rod, Like, what were the missions? What did the Australian

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Speaker 7: Well, initially it was just looking at stuff that had

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Speaker 7: few years I was off overseas and to various places

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Speaker 3: Did you ever get caught? We'll buy someone in China?

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Speaker 3: Did I realize you were a spy?

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Speaker 7: No? No. In fact, you know, strangely we see I

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Speaker 7: traveled on different passports. Believe it or not, there was

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Speaker 7: one time when I was actually carrying around three different passports.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're.

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Speaker 7: All different colors. One was blue, we all have, one

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Speaker 7: was green, and one was red. One was a diplomatic

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Speaker 7: I'd used it a few times and that could that

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Speaker 4: What's the closest that you got caught? Was there a

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Speaker 6: Rod?

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Speaker 5: I mean, did it ever get to that point?

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Speaker 7: Well, there had been violence, and particularly there was one

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Speaker 7: And when I landed there, there were three teenagers I

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Speaker 5: So you buy yourself.

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Speaker 7: But well, no, I was with three of my staff

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Speaker 3: All right, I wanted money?

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Speaker 7: How much international airport?

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Speaker 5: How much did you talk over?

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Speaker 7: Well, they were asking for ten dollars from each of us.

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Speaker 3: It's a good deal.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was so angry because I was said working

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Speaker 7: I said, we're not going to pay. And I took

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Speaker 7: like a schoolmaster. And they looked sort of down at

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Speaker 7: They didn't collect ten dollars, and I was apparently the

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Speaker 3: Store to think that, I mean, here's the stretch and

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Speaker 3: right now that could have been a spot?

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Speaker 4: Can I ask a personal question, Rod? Do you get

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Speaker 4: paid well by the Australian government to be a spot?

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Speaker 5: Not really?

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Speaker 7: Not particularly?

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Speaker 5: How much are you getting paid a year? Can I ask?

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Speaker 7: Well? When I think not particularly? I guess this is

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Speaker 7: fifty thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: Thank you rock amazing?

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Speaker 1: Right, So, yeah, that's the question this morning? Am I

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Speaker 3: Has been to? How many spies are there?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 3: Am I walking past the spy today story? I think

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Speaker 3: you counted all right? If you're listening right now thirteen

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Speaker 3: is Rod the only one?

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Speaker 1: Everything can be past present future?

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Speaker 2: Am I the only one?

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Speaker 5: The question this morning was am I the only one

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Speaker 5: who was a spy? We just spoke to Rod?

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Speaker 4: Rod was a spy for the Australian government for a

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Speaker 4: couple of decades is Rod. I mean he had a

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Speaker 4: amazing stories that his real name.

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Speaker 5: I want to pay the ten dollar attacks at the airport.

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Speaker 5: He just pushed them aside and moved on. Right you

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Speaker 5: tired us? Are you ten bucks?

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Speaker 3: And move on place. You're not going to believe it.

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Speaker 3: We have received another call, Jack, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: You were a spy Jack? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Everyone wanting to buy in the in the French,

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Speaker 2: in the French Services in the Wow.

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Speaker 4: So were you approached to do that, Jack?

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Speaker 5: Or did you apply for it?

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Speaker 2: I used to be a side pilot in the French

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Speaker 2: been recruited by the secret services.

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Speaker 5: So did you ever find yourself?

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Speaker 2: I know it's a bit feels a bit extreme, but

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Speaker 2: in sort of James Bond Star scenarios.

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Speaker 3: Is that a realistic look at how this stuff happens?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it's it's there's two different kinds of spies.

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Speaker 2: Let's say those who worked on the diplomatic passport and

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Speaker 2: the operations who worked undestingly and I was was one

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Speaker 2: of those. And the purpose is to do some illegal

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Speaker 5: Kind of that'd be fascinating for your life at any stage.

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Speaker 2: Jack, I did have a few a few issues, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was. I wrote this this this book presently called

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, what were some of the eyeliases, Jack? What

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Speaker 5: name did you go by?

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Speaker 3: Jack?

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Speaker 2: I had for the operators, we have five different identities,

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Speaker 2: five different passports. The purpose is to do some quick

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Speaker 2: and then we disappear. So it's identities we can dismantle

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Speaker 2: in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 7: So we have five.

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Speaker 2: Different names, and when we burn one for one mission,

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Speaker 2: then we recreate a fisk one.

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Speaker 3: So, Jack, were you always carrying a gun?

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Speaker 2: if you if what you see movies, you know the

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Speaker 3: Trying in martial arts, I take a jack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have a bit of training of mast but

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Speaker 5: With that accent as well.

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Speaker 4: You said like a hot spy, Jack, I mean, did

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Speaker 4: you have to lure any women in room at some stage?

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Speaker 2: It's you know what you see in movie, it's always

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Speaker 5: The job so you do lure them in with your

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Speaker 2: So you have to depending on the the leverage, so

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Speaker 3: Isn't that so Jack, that's your exchange, Jacks, Ye isn't.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's not always like in the movie Jack Slumpy

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Speaker 3: Bond Girls.

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Speaker 5: I think is very.

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Speaker 6: Comes back to you didn't really need to go anywhere

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Speaker 6: near that girl, jam, I did it some information that

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Speaker 6: Jack wowzyld on guys that boxer looking in that box

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Speaker 6: and what's going to be there next week?

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Speaker 5: Who knows you don't either. I'm going to come

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Speaker 3: Up with it fits and whipper