WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 26 September 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.720 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.600 This is to Nika Degeorgio, Hello and welcome to the 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.479 show coming up tonight. The political elites and left wing 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.600 media don't want you to have a debate on migration. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.760 Wait till you hear the attacks on Liberal MP Andrew Hasty. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.000 Plus what a strange country we live in when even 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:27.000 the Sex Discrimination Commissioner doesn't seem to understand the basic 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.800 biology of the sexes. And less than forty eight hours 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.480 after albow selfie with Donald Trump, the US President hits 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.040 our pharmaceutical industry with a one hundred percent tariff. But 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.279 first tonight, I fear we will never be able to 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.800 have an adult conversation about migration in this country. The 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.159 political elites and the left wing media don't want you 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.080 to have this conversation. It does not fit with the 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.200 left's narrative, no matter the costs to everyday Ozzie's and 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.480 of course when you do raise it, you're tarnished as 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.959 some sort of right wing nut job. Now, I was 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.800 astonished at the sheer hypocrisy by tel Allegra Spende yesterday. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.839 She is the member for one of the most affluent 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.840 electorates in this country. Wentworth in Sydney's Eastern suburbs, which 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.280 has avoided the. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.679 Pressure of mass migration. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.039 Yet she claims, quote, the debate around immigration is being 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.679 abused and weaponized. Australian citizens have always decided our immigration 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:35.120 policy and for many years all sides of politics agreed 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.600 on a non discriminatory policy shaped by our national interests 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:45.920 rather than prejudice. Well, this is an absolute load of 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:51.280 nonsense because nobody, nobody ever voted. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.000 For a big Australia. Yet here we are living in 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:55.960 a big Australia. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.920 Multiculturalism and mass migration have in fact act being thrust 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.280 upon us by both sides of politics, with no room 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.360 for debate about the sort of country we want to become. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.480 The Till then went on to claim that disturbing echoes 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.920 of the racist division of the past have crept into 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:21.040 the political mainstream and there it is the r word racism. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.480 And this is exactly why the left don't want you 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:25.720 to have this debate. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:27.760 They don't care about. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.240 Your concerns about mass migration in Australia. They care more 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.120 about the people we are bringing in on a daily basis. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:36.919 The biggest threat. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.959 To this country is the elites and powerful voices who 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.520 want to downplay our values and way of life under 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.880 the guise of healthy and sustainable multiculturalism. In fact, politicians 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.520 across the divide have quite literally killed off the Great 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.960 Australian dream through reckless policies like immigration and net zero, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.760 while retreating from debate out of fear of being tortured 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.960 with the R word. So thank goodness for Liberal MP 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.000 Andrew Hasty. In a social media post this week called 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.320 the Real Reason you can't afford the Home, He said, quote, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.360 we are starting to feel like strangers in our own home. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.160 Labor talk about a housing supply crisis, but this is 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.320 a housing demand crisis driven by unsustainable immigration. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.840 It's that simple. Yet a legraspender. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.600 Demonized him, likening him to a British white supremacist in of. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.600 Powell, who was a white supremacist in Britain in his 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.920 famous Rivers of Blood speech, used the expression you know, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.200 we're starting to you know, where that people were made 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.280 strangers in their own country. And this language from Andrew 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:55.040 Hasty certainly reflects, either intentionally or unintentionally, some of the 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.040 language of that very famous speech. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.200 Now, these are not far right views, nor are they 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.360 extreme views. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.840 In fact, the same expression was. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:09.400 Used recently by UK Prime Minister Kirstamer, one of the wokest, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.280 most left wing politicians of our time. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.159 Now in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:22.640 that these rules become even more important. Without them, we 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.560 risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:27.919 walks forward together. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.560 The reality is Andrew Hasty is not wrong, and good 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.159 on him for having the courage and conviction to say 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:34.920 it like it is. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.520 Allegra loves migration because it doesn't apply to her. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.200 According to the twenty twenty one census, of the one 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.640 hundred and forty six thousand residents in the electorate of Wentworth, 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.920 almost fifty eight percent of the electorate was born in Australia, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.440 followed by England on seven point three percent and South 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.680 Africa at three point nine percent. Hardly an example of 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.240 diversity when you compare it to say Blaxland in the 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.039 southwest of Sydney. Of the more than one hundred and 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.640 eighty eight thousand residents there, forty three percent are born 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.279 in Australia, eight percent in Vietnam, six point six percent 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.480 in China and six percent in Lebanon, While Blaxland has the. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.240 Biggest Arabic speaking. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.720 Community in Australia, so the Champagne teal in Wentworth has 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.040 a clear majority of Australian born citizens, therefore lacking in 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.200 the need for infrastructure and housing to keep up with 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.200 the demand of mass migration. I mean, how would Allegra 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.600 feel about migrants being parachuted into the million dollar homes 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.160 and high rise towers in her electric Perhaps Oh, wait, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.240 poor migrants can't afford it, and gee, the West could 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.840 surely do with some reprieve. Almost three out of four 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.840 people in Western Sydney want less migration to help free 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.240 up more housing. Now we know more than one point 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.200 one million migrants have come into this country since Labour 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:01.159 was elected. In fact, March this year saw massive immigration numbers. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.520 Net overseas migration was one hundred and ten thousand, well 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.600 above recent averages. And the issues that Andrew Hasty is 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:14.320 talking about are everyday issues, worrying everyday people, especially in 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.000 the middle of a cost of living crisis. It's not 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.400 racist to have a conversation about mass migration when our 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:24.320 housing and infrastructure is under pressure. It's not racist to 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.800 have the conversation when every day Aussies are locked out 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.640 of the housing market. It's not racist to have the 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.040 conversation when the face of Australia has changed and our 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.080 social cohesion is buckling. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.239 And look, the Public Broadcaster was just as bad. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:44.120 Their headlined today Andrew Hasty taunted overclaim that higher immigration 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.080 is making Australians strangers. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:47.360 In our own home. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.880 Over at The Guardian, they went with future Liberal leader 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.479 or party disruptor Andrew Hasty and the rise of the 0:06:54.720 --> 0:07:00.560 Maga right, claiming that the wamp offers a divisive brand 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:01.520 of politics. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.560 This is nothing more than a political attack on. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.080 Andrew Hasty, and all because he dared to challenge the 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.200 left's narrative. The Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke professed modern 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.360 Australia must be strange to a Liberal party that stubbornly 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.400 refuses to enter the twenty first century, or what exactly 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.600 does the twenty first century look like for labor Because 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.200 the current twenty first century Australia is anti Israel protests 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.400 week in week out, flags of terror groups being waved 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.200 in the streets, synagogues fire bombed and the Aussie flag 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.800 set alight and the one time Australia fights back at 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.400 the recent marches for Australia. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.880 Every day Aussie is a labeled racist. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.080 Perhaps if they'd rocked up to the march with a 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.080 portrait of the Ayatola of Iran and enchanted death to 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.800 the IDF, perhaps the Left would have had a more 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.880 favorable and understanding position. But look alegra Spender can of 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.480 course wipe her hands of the cultural tension that sometimes 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.160 comes from mass migration because. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.600 It does not directly apply to her electorate. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.640 Andrew Hasty went on to say the Liberal Party will 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.440 be in exile for a long time until we act 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.920 in the interests of Australian people. That means getting immigration 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.120 to a sustainable level. If we don't act, we can 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:18.720 expect anger and frustration. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.520 We might even die as a political movement. So be it. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.840 What is the point of politics if you're not willing 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.680 to fight for something? And this should be a vote 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.959 winner for the Liberals. A resolved poll last week showed 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.000 support for Pauline Hansen's One Nation has surged to a 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.240 record high of twelve percent, particularly off the back of 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.199 migration issues. The longer the Liberal Party equivocates on this, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.400 they risk ending up like the Conservative. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:47.680 Party in the UK. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.080 All but dead in the water and being toppled by 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:57.080 Nigel Faraja's reform. Migration is a vote driving issue. Our 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.440 values and way of life are worth protecting, and the 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.440 sooner the elites and left wing media wake up to 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:11.439 this the better. Now this week, the Prime Minister rewarded 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.600 hermus and at the same time betrayed our values on 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.560 the world stage when he went to the United Nations 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.760 and recognized a Palestinian state. Johnny Mean out for more 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:26.040 on this is the Shadow Attorney General, Julian Lisa, Julian, good. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.720 To catch up with you. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.600 We haven't yet spoken to you this week since this 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.720 all unfolded in New York. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.160 So when I start. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.560 By asking you, how would you describe what the Prime 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.080 Minister went and did on the world stage. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.920 I think this was an example Deniker of our shambalic 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.880 foreign policy on display. You know, we have abandoned our 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.760 venues and abandoned our friends by this decision. We're abandoning 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.520 the only Western liberal democracy in the Middle East, the 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.600 state of Israel. In doing this, we're abandoning our foreign 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.720 policy traditions, which is that we don't recognize states until 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.360 they're actually come into existence. We're abandoning a friend ally 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.720 and security partner by at the very moment where the 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:13.120 Hamas terrorist organization is still holding nearly fifty hostages to 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.800 ransom in Gaza, while it is still controlling large parts 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:22.360 of Gaza, that Hamas is being rewarded by the grant 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.240 of statehood to the Palestinians. By what mister Albanezi has done, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.560 we've made it very clear that when we come to government, 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.400 we will reverse this decision. And the reason that we'll 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.320 reverse this decision is that you need to have if 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.040 you're going to have a two state solution, and I 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.559 support a two state solution. The recognition point comes at 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.440 the end. It comes at a period after the hostages 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.760 have been returned, after Hamas plays no further part in Gaza, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.640 after the Palestinian actors recognize Israel's fundamental right to exist, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.040 and after those important final status issues like borders in 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.480 Jerusalem have been worked out. You don't do this now. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.360 All mister Albanezi was doing was getting pats on the 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.840 back from other hard left leaders around the world. You know, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.400 the Labour Party used to talk about an independent foreign 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.520 policy for Australia, but we're really having our foreign policy 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.960 dictated to here by the left wing British government, the French, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:22.360 the Canadians, and by Labor party conferences that for fifty 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.240 years have been having resolutions on this issue. Each year 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.600 more and more anti Israel. So this is a sad 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.760 time and it's a missed opportunity. You have to remember, Denika, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.920 Australia was attacked by the Iranian regime in at least 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.800 two terrorist attacks that occurred on our shore. Why wasn't 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.319 the Prime Minister at the United Nations proposing resolutions condemning 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.280 the people of the Iranian regime. Why wasn't he there 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.200 seeking support of like minded countries to bring the Iranian 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.040 regime to justice for its sponsorship of terrorism abroad, its 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.240 attacks on our country, and its human rights abuses at home. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.679 That's what an Australian Prime Minister should be doing at 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:02.480 the United Nations at this time. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.920 Absolutely, and I just think this wasn't just a betrayal 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.640 again of Jewish Australians, but also a betrayal of all 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:10.560 of our values. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.760 To go and do this on the world stage is 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.199 quite frankly embarrassing. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.559 I want to ask you about this story exclusively revealed 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.880 by my colleague Chris Kenny Last night, dozens of refugees 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.640 from Gaza touchdown in Australia a week ago and were 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.000 personally met by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke at the 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.760 airport Julian. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.480 This is astonishing. The Minister's had some sort of a 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:37.800 private meet and greet with these people. Where is the transparency? 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.719 Well, I think that's a good question, Denik. I think 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.440 the Minister's got some serious questions to answer here. Why 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.839 is he rolling out the red carpet to this particular 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.720 group of people. Why is he failed to be transparent 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.640 about it? And there's no publicity about this from him 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.160 and no explanation from him as to why he's done this. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.800 And when you look at the government's shambolic record in 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.880 relation to people coming out of the Gaza war zone 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.640 or remember they first created a class of tourist visa 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.640 for them to bring them from the Gaza war zone. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.840 There were real questions about the adequacy of the checks 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.880 that were being made. Then they tried to create a 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:17.000 special humanitarian class of visa for them. Apparently the minister 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:22.840 was personally interviewing applicants. The whole handling of this seems 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.040 to be not really about Australia's interest but about mister 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.040 Burke's domestic political interests. And I think the government needs 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.840 to come clean about what's really happening with the refugees 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.760 that are being brought from the terrorist controlled Garza war zone. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.199 No, look, I completely agree. I mean why sweep it 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:40.839 under the rug. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.120 You know there was no formal announcement, so that to 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.680 me sends off alarm bells. We also know that Anthony 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.880 Arberesi has bid for a seat on the UN Security Council, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.720 which will require him to commit hundreds of millions of 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.480 dollars in new aid to Africa. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.000 Julian Donald Trump. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.520 Has very publicly questioned the role of this body. He 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.640 quite frankly hates it. Should we be backing it in 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:04.800 for a seat at the table? 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.920 Well, the coalitions offered its support for it, and I 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.080 think people should remember last time we were on the 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.760 Security Council, it was something that Kevin Rudd had put forward, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.200 but we were in office at the time it actually 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.320 took place, and we did things like put forward resolutions 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.720 lead the world in relation to the condemnation of human 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.520 rights abuses in North Korea and the downing by Russia. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.800 Of the Malaysian Airlines flight over Ukraine which so many 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.800 Australians were murdered. So it can be a body where 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.000 it is very important for Australia to have a voice 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.640 at and we've been on the body from time to time. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.800 But we shouldn't be sacrificing our foreign policy traditions, or 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.120 our values or our friends in order to get there. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.480 No, Look, I think you're absolutely right. I've got to 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:51.880 ask you. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.280 Is Andrew Hasty a threat to the Liberal leadership of 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:55.640 Susan Lee. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.280 Andrew Hasty is a fundamentally important part of our team, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.840 somebody who makes a wonderful contribution as the Shadow Home 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:09.160 Affairs Minister, and he's somebody that I believe will continue 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.800 to make a very important contribution to the team. Susan 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.320 Lee is our leader. We all support the leader in 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.960 the work that she is doing at this time. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.000 I we've in. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.360 Her own words, got smashed at the last couple of 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.720 elections and we're in a period now where we're reflecting 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.440 on where to go. We're looking at the policies that 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.000 we took to the last election and we're going through 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.280 a process now with debating about you know, where we 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.880 should go in terms of policies for the future. As 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.040 we've said many times, our values haven't changed, but our 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.480 policies need to. And so this is just the process 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:45.920 that we're going through at this time. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.480 Are you bothered by Andrew Hasty being very public on 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.280 issues like migration and net zero? 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.400 Look, I think this is a period of time where 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.520 you want to have debates in political parties with different 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.040 people having a range of different views, and we've set 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.080 up processes to say those matters and those policies will 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.000 be well and truly settled before the next election. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.600 All right, Well, we look forward to it. Julian, Lisa, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.120 good to catch up with you. Thanks so much for 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:09.560 joining me on the show this evening. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:10.240 Appreciate it. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.240 While we live in a very strange country where the 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.240 sex Discrimination Commissioner seems to not understand the very basic 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.000 biology of the sexes and A Cody does not stand 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.040 up for women. In fact, she does not even know 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.920 what a woman is. Now this week she spoke at 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.840 the National Press Club, taking to the stage wearing a 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:30.760 badge with her. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.000 Pronouns on it. She her and in. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.800 Case you're interested, so already as you can see there, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.160 it's all going very swimmingly. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.400 Now. She was asked about sex based rights. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.600 For women, and her answer was just as confusing as 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.840 the assertion that men can be women. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.360 The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.640 against Women, so seed or is absolutely it's the Women's Convention, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.480 but in understanding as we have developed. It was signed 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.320 back in nineteen seventy year nine, I believe, since it's 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.640 been in force in Australia, it has also been interpreted 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.800 by the committee that looks at the meaning and the 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.439 understanding of each of the articles of the Convention. So 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.720 that includes and its specifically said, it includes cultural, rationally 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:24.480 marginalized women, It includes lesbians, It includes First Nations women, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.879 women with disability and trans women. So it absolutely includes 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.840 all women, because that is who women are. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.800 We're not one version of women. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.120 Well where to even begin? We are not all one 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.119 version of women. I mean, how many versions of women? 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.840 Does she think that there is? Sex is immutable? There 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.320 are two sexes, male and female. And look, that does 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.840 not make me some sort of incredible genius saying that 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.880 it is basic biology and basic fact. Trans women are 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.680 not women, they are biological men. Fancy the sex discrimination 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.560 can be not even knowing the very definition, and it's 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.159 not the first time she's had some sort of fantasy 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.720 about what a woman is. In the case of Giggle 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.639 versus Tickle, where biological man Roxane Tickle argued he had 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.440 injured feelings after being booted out of a female only 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.440 app by founder Sal Grover, Council for the Commissioner Celia 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.720 Winnett argued that the word woman in the Sex Discrimination 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.720 Act included trans women. Now, being an activist for the 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.359 trans community while being the Sex Discrimination Commissioner, while failing 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.120 to promote a biological definition of sex based rights, makes 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.800 you a total failure at your job and a Cody, 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.080 in my view, is not up to the job if 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:46.080 she cannot fulfill her very function of protecting women. Joining 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.639 me now is Giggle founder Sal Grover so good to 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.080 catch up with you. How many different versions of women 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.200 are there? I mean the Sex Discrimination Commissioner named several. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.040 Well, first of all, can I just say like brilliant, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:05.720 intrue like with you one she listed women and men. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.720 I mean, you can add anything in front of women 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.639 as an adjective. We're still all just women. The moment 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.119 you add trans in front of the word woman, you 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.879 are talking about men. This is the problem with gender 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.879 ideology is that they think that you know, we that 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.919 we will picture a woman if they just say the 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.320 word woman. And in some cases that's happened that they're 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.160 right about that. So that's where they push it so hard. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.040 And that's why us on the other side pushed so 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.879 hard that they're just men, like you, men can't be women. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.920 It's just as simple as that, like you, just as 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.560 you said in your introduction, like they're just men. And 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.760 so to sit there and compare First Nations women to men, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.359 it's actually incredibly insulting, Like does she actually realize what 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:53.120 she's saying there? 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.960 I just don't even think she does, and explain the 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.440 background to us because she was asked at National Press 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.600 Club about the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.040 of Discrimination against Women. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:04.560 What does it say and how. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.120 Does it actually relate to the issues at hand here 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.960 when it comes to protecting women's spaces and rights. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.400 So the woman who asked her the question, Migihour, asked 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.280 her a brilliant question, and it was basically about anacoding 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:22.200 not meeting with women's interest groups that do advocate for 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.400 single sex spaces and how this fits in with her 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.760 obligations to seed Or. So the background on this it's 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.160 complicated and simple at the same time. Basically, Australia has 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.240 a Sex Discrimination Act because we became a signatory to Seedor, 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.680 which is the Convention of the Elimination Discrimination against Women. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.880 It's a UN convention. It was created in nineteen seventy nine, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.080 We signed it in nineteen eighty three, put it in 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.399 like enacted it in our law in nineteen eighty four. Now, 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.359 in nineteen eighty four, there was nothing about men being women. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.480 They never thought to mention it because of course they didn't. 0:20:55.480 --> 0:21:00.600 Who would. Cut to twenty thirteen when Julia Gillard's did 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.320 amendments to put gender identity into the Act. Now in 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.080 those amendments they never mentioned trans women. Once again, they're 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.440 not mentioned. It's just gender identity is mentioned. Then cut 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.680 to more recent times when Anna Cody has intervened ingogo 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.240 Vy Tickle on the side of Tickle saying that men 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.439 who claim for women are women, they should have access 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.239 to women only spaces, and she's relying on Seedor for this. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.199 The problem is SIDOR is a UN convention. It has 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:30.320 one hundred and eighty nine signatories. For any changes to it, 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.920 all one hundred and eighty nine signatories have to agree 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.240 it has never happened. Men are not considered women under 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.840 SEED or it is an utter lie to say that 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:44.760 they are. There is one tiny sentence in one accompanying 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.720 document that says and other status, and they are relying 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.320 on that other status to be trans women slash men 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.360 who claim to be women. If seed or intended men 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.560 to be who claimed for women to be considered women 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.400 in international law, they would have said it. They've had 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:05.240 every opportunity to. They never once have. So at best, 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:11.399 she is misleading the Parliament, the courts and the media 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.719 on this specific issue. She's relying on Seedort. She is 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.760 wrong about it. I'm also relying on seedort and part 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.760 of my case because it hasn't happened where we are 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.359 in breach of seedawt in Australian law, if we are 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.520 including men as women. And as you said, she's not 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.240