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Speaker 1: Apodje production.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contains references to violence and serious injury. Listener

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Speaker 2: discretion is advised. Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Adam Shand. Across the country, but especially

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Speaker 2: in Victoria, we're facing a youth crime crisis, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a gang crime crisis, or maybe it's both.

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Speaker 3: Victoria police confirm a surge in aggravated burglaries across Melbourne's

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Speaker 3: northern and western suburbs, with investigators linking a number of

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Speaker 3: incidents to organized youth offending.

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Speaker 2: What is beyond dispute is that African news, especially those

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Speaker 2: from a Sudanese background, are overrepresented in these crimes, which

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Speaker 2: often include violence and terror.

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Speaker 3: Neighborhood Watch Group in Melbourne's North says membership has tripled

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Speaker 3: in six months, driven largely by fear of home invasion.

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Speaker 2: There are fewer than two hundred thousand people of Sudanese

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Speaker 2: extraction in total in this country, and the vast majority

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Speaker 2: are peace loving, laurabiding citizens. However, a cohort of young

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Speaker 2: Sudanese men is wreaking havoc, committing aggravated burglaries and home

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Speaker 2: invasions with impunity, often armed with machetes.

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Speaker 4: A man was hospitalized after a violent home invasion in

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Speaker 4: Melbourne's North where offenders armed with machetes forced entry in

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Speaker 4: the early hours of the morning.

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Speaker 2: Michael not his real name, was visited by three armed

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Speaker 2: offenders in the dead of night recently. When he resisted,

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Speaker 2: he was attacked with a machete, but still he did

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Speaker 2: not give in. He believes he was set up by

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Speaker 2: a woman who'd been to his home previously and knew

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Speaker 2: its contents.

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Speaker 4: Community leaders are calling for urgent action after a string

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Speaker 4: of machette related incidents across Melbourne. Victims say they feel

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Speaker 4: abandoned by a system that isn't keeping up with the

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Speaker 4: violence on their streets.

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Speaker 2: No one has been arrested for this terrifying crime. When

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Speaker 2: I arrived at Michael's home, he was having the locks

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Speaker 2: changed on his doors and trying to regain his sense

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Speaker 5: How are you going good? Come through? So this door's

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Speaker 5: being replaced to s worry about that. It's this lot

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Speaker 5: here and the one on the back door. Yes, so

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Speaker 5: my keys were stolen and they've got both those keys.

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Speaker 5: So but the front door in a replace can have

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Speaker 5: a digital lot. So the place is disaster We've not

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Speaker 5: been here for like five weeks, so I apologize.

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Speaker 1: No, nice, fine boy, lucky to be here at all.

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Speaker 5: Really, when they came up, it was they were straight

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Speaker 5: to the kids bedrooms. If the kids were here, who

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Speaker 5: would have been terrible? Yeah, have you seen any photos?

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Speaker 1: No, let's have a look.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's where you were hit with the machete

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Speaker 2: on the back them there and then you got a

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Speaker 1: That's your blood on the wall.

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Speaker 5: It's all my blood. I never got them.

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Speaker 2: Down the stairs in the carpet. Well, these pictures tell

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Speaker 2: their own stories. Yeah, that's basically.

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Speaker 1: So how did this all begin? Michael?

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Speaker 5: Well, on the night what happened was it was maybe

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Speaker 5: two thirty in the morning and it was fast asleep.

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Speaker 5: I heard something at the front door. I heard footsteps

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Speaker 5: coming up the stairs, and I thought, the kids are here.

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Speaker 5: One of the kids have gotten up. Then I realized, oh,

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Speaker 5: I haven't got the kids tonight. Then once they got

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Speaker 5: to the middle level here of the towerhouse, they were

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Speaker 5: in the bedrooms everywhere, just going give me the money.

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Speaker 5: Where's the money? And I then looked over put my

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Speaker 5: beads on the top level, but there's no door and

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Speaker 5: I started screaming, get out of my house.

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Speaker 1: And so you've come from the top level. So they

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Speaker 1: were in this level and you've come down the stairs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So I was looking over this area here. Once

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Speaker 5: I realized it wasn't my kids, and I started, I

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Speaker 1: So what is this one.

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Speaker 5: It's just a little ornamental short sword.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Japanese samurai style. Yeah, but it's not sharp,

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Speaker 2: that's reasonably. It's like a letter up there with a

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Speaker 2: bit of yeah, a big letter opener.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And then I ran down here and they came.

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Speaker 5: One of the guy with a machee. He came around

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Speaker 5: He went down. I went, I just charged down. I

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Speaker 5: guy here, the second guy who said, I'm going a gun.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to shoot you. It did look like a

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Speaker 5: real gun to me. It could be I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you could make a homemade gun. But he said

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Speaker 5: I'm going to shoot you. He said shoot him, shoot him.

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Speaker 5: And then so I did a turn around, went back

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Speaker 5: up the stairs and that's where he.

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Speaker 1: Got me on the back and she with a machete

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Speaker 5: Yes, the machete on the arm there which was cut open,

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Speaker 5: and then on the back and then this was my

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Speaker 5: line in the sand. I couldn't get to him. It

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Speaker 5: was obviously I'm right handed. He had a machete. He's

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Speaker 5: swinging it around the corner and it was just just

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Speaker 5: basically just stopped me getting.

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Speaker 1: Slashed, blocking the blood with their little sword.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So and he had a big machede. It's like

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Speaker 5: it's huge. And then I don't know, I just he

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Speaker 5: got me some. This whole thing's covered in blood and.

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Speaker 1: Down the stairs here and the blood was sprang up

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Speaker 5: Throwing on the walls, machete marks in the plaster. And

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Speaker 5: then I will swear from get out of my house

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Speaker 5: to whenever I did. You know, And I haven't done

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Speaker 5: martial lasts for twenty years, but the train we did,

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Speaker 5: which it just kicked, it wasn't even thought. And maybe

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Speaker 5: because I came out of a deep sleep and I

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Speaker 5: was went, you're not going to leave, You're fucked. Basically,

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Speaker 5: I got so angry, so Ridiculus, of course you got angry,

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Speaker 5: and I went, you're going to fucking die here, can't.

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Speaker 5: I said, this is it? Do you? You're fucked. So

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Speaker 5: we're having these screaming matches. He's there, I'm here, and

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Speaker 5: I realized that this is not a grown man. That's

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Speaker 5: when when I saw his eyes. And when I went

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Speaker 5: in a van down the street. And I came down,

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Speaker 5: you know, like like this. His eyes opened up like

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're expecting what they got.

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Speaker 2: And I must say, look at you. You don't, Michael. You

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Speaker 2: don't look like a big, tough guy. You're just like

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Speaker 2: an average you know, none small. Yeah, So you found

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Speaker 2: the strength within you to project, you know, he's trying

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Speaker 5: This moment one percent. But it wasn't. There's nothing he

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Speaker 5: wrong about. It just happened. If the kids were here,

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Speaker 5: I would have changed downstairs and there could have been

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Speaker 5: all different ballgame. So I was very lucky, and.

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Speaker 1: I know that you're lucky. You took proactive action.

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Speaker 2: You had the little sword that were you're still brandishing,

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Speaker 2: which has got a bit of blood on it, doesn't

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Speaker 1: That's your blood still on it.

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Speaker 5: And the guy with the machine was in charge. And

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Speaker 5: then he's you know, I figured that if he was

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Speaker 5: going to shoot me, he would have shot me, but

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Speaker 5: he didn't. So when this is didn't look like a

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Speaker 5: full law gun to me, and I was got angry

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Speaker 5: and I said, you're going to fucking die tonight. I said,

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Speaker 5: you're not going to see your mother again. This is it.

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Speaker 5: And he's back at me. Then he starts hitting you.

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Speaker 5: He said, well, who are you?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: Are you you know we're going to we want the

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Speaker 5: And he's hitting the wall here and down there with

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Speaker 5: who were just trying to intimidate. How were They did

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Speaker 5: come up swinging, so it wasn't just like giving me

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Speaker 5: the money or we're going to cut you. He came

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Speaker 5: up swinging and until I kicked him down. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: then I went I just got angry. And then long

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Speaker 5: story short, I grabbed the pillow up here, grabbed the

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Speaker 5: pillow back up to you. One of them wanted to

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Speaker 5: wash quint saying here anymore? And I put my hand

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Speaker 5: gonna I think he's gonna if you. If you he's

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Speaker 5: gonna shoot, you would have shot me. The guy with

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Speaker 5: the machete, at least they've got that. And they went.

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Speaker 1: So they actually left.

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Speaker 5: They left five minutes thirty seconds. It was long as

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Speaker 5: lot longer too. When the police came, I thought it

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Speaker 5: was about ten minutes, but yeah, it was. The guy

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Speaker 1: Scared, you know, and they're in ballet Clava's full.

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Speaker 5: Ballot Clava's Apparently they had gloves on, but I didn't

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Speaker 5: remember that. But the more the more primal I got,

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Speaker 5: then the machine goes get back here. That maybe last

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Speaker 5: another thirty seconds, and then I went, fuck it, I'm

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Speaker 5: over this. I went, it has to end now, regardless

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Speaker 5: a you know, my head's in a pumped full of adrenaline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fight, I fight, and you're mainly fighting at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so this has to end.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: I'm sickly, you're in my house, and I was so

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Speaker 5: angry but not thinking logically. It's just I was just

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Speaker 5: doing I grabbed a pillow and whether that's it, someone's

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Speaker 5: it's going to end now, whether it's I get cut,

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Speaker 5: you get cut, whatever's going to happen, it's going to end.

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Speaker 5: During that period I worked out, not that I was

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Speaker 5: thinking about it at the time, but they were kids.

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Speaker 5: They weren't like if you came here, we were totally

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Speaker 5: tall than me, but they were skinny. It's a different

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Speaker 2: And you still want to stab me if it was me, actually,

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Speaker 2: but in that mode you're in, you're trying to survive,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that's you don't think very logically.

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Speaker 1: In that stated percent. But so how old do you

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Speaker 5: Fifteen through seventeens? I'm ford into seventy.

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Speaker 1: And do you know what the nationality might have been

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Speaker 1: or the ethnic background.

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Speaker 5: Oh, they're definitely Sudanese these right, with no doubt. You

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Speaker 5: can see because the bell clive was like that.

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Speaker 2: But you can still see they lost their rag halfway through.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back downstairs. Let's work out how they got in.

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Speaker 2: That's why I to be interested to know. Okay, back

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Speaker 2: downstairs now, So you think they got in through the front.

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Speaker 5: Well, I met somebody oh six months earlier, I think

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Speaker 5: But it came up a couple of times that I

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Speaker 1: I had to help them. You got you've got ten thousand.

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Speaker 5: This is to buy gold. And then I went, no.

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Speaker 5: but there's a guarante whatever, directors guarantee or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: So this is only days after you've said I'm not

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Speaker 5: to it Friday because I said, happy Valentine's Day, bla

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Speaker 5: to the bank croy clothed put the ten thousand dollars back.

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Speaker 2: In yep, Saturday, meya, and she obviously had the address.

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Speaker 5: Oh, she had been here. Yeah, like we were talking

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Speaker 5: There were mentally involved, There was nothing like that, So

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the police came on the night.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so they left. The police and I call triple zero.

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Speaker 5: Police were here apparently really quickly, and it's all a

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Speaker 5: They didn't know who I was up there, and then

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Speaker 5: No, they have no idea there.

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Speaker 2: So my car was stolen, so they took your keys

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Speaker 5: Keys, car, wallet, and my son's PlayStation. But apparently the

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Speaker 5: That's well, whatever's cheap at the time. You because it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and that's they haven't caught the suspects.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know, so they have no idea. Oh but

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Speaker 5: they said the police officers who's in charge, said, look,

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Speaker 5: They can't pick it from a little bit of footage

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Speaker 5: updated or any of that. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that should come to light later on them when

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Speaker 2: they catch somebody, because the DNA everywhere, i'd imagine. But

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Speaker 2: of course the main point of interest is the woman

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Speaker 5: I presume, Yeah, I won't do and police at the hospital.

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Speaker 5: I gave the police my phone. They've got every message,

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Speaker 5: everything that's you know, I just do what I'm told.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a police officer. But as it's gone on,

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Speaker 5: trying to get the girl. Now this week when that's

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the reason I'm here is that I was

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Speaker 5: I spoke to the police on Friday and they said

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Speaker 5: so Monday, Monday, Tuesday. But the address they had for

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Speaker 5: be honest, I thought the police were on it. It's

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Speaker 5: not the way. They should have grabbed a sticker in

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Speaker 2: Because you've got the strong impression when they were here

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Speaker 1: Where is the money?

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Speaker 5: Where's the money?

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Speaker 1: So you through the inference that they knew that money

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Speaker 5: Correct, and went to the hospital. And it's all coming together.

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Speaker 5: And I sent to the police officer, this is what happened,

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Speaker 2: So minded they thought cash was here, if not gold,

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Speaker 1: So that's very poor service, very poor service.

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Speaker 2: And I guess they're only now going after this female

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Speaker 5: No, I haven't put any pressure, but you've asked them,

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Speaker 5: So there may be a bigger thing going on, but

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Speaker 2: Or it may be a smaller thing called it's all

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Speaker 5: It's ship I've got, you know, kids who haven't been

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Speaker 1: You told her there's black mold in the house, you can't.

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Speaker 5: They their mum's on on Saturday night, on Valentine's Day,

433
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Speaker 5: and then her mum knew straight away. My parents knew,

434
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Speaker 5: so so it's that's the reason. Because if she comes

435
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Speaker 5: in and now the wall's been painted, the floor's not done.

436
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Speaker 5: There was The pictures don't do a justice. There was

437
00:20:24,921 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 5: blood everywhere, you know this. I was piercing out blood

438
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Speaker 5: like this can't happened right at the start, and it

439
00:20:30,441 --> 00:20:30,801
Speaker 5: was like.

440
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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it's a pretty serious scar. You you'll have

441
00:20:34,321 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 2: that for life. I'd imagine there's probably about I don't know,

442
00:20:37,041 --> 00:20:39,841
Speaker 2: ten or twenty stitches there that you've had and it's

443
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Speaker 2: still healing well.

444
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Speaker 5: My friend took a photo of it, and I didn't

445
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Speaker 5: see it because I'm a bit, you know, I'm like

446
00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 5: a bit my own blood, but it was massive and

447
00:20:47,441 --> 00:20:49,241
Speaker 5: that happened to start. So five minutes of me piercing

448
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Speaker 5: out blood, do you know? There was blood everywhere, you know,

449
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Speaker 5: and theves to the PORTMA, I'm so angry. I'm saying,

450
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Speaker 5: you're going to fucking die here, mate, You're going to

451
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 5: fucking die, and I'll flinging my blood. I don't even

452
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Speaker 5: make it's just to this other next level, like around

453
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Speaker 5: the corner. So there's blood's flooded everywhere. I never got

454
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Speaker 5: him at all, but the short sort of did really

455
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Speaker 5: helped me because it was blocking his machine.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly it was.

457
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Speaker 2: Now you've told me how your kids are feeling, You've

458
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Speaker 2: told me how the people around you, how are you

459
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Speaker 2: feeling that.

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Speaker 5: I think I'm okay because I don't. For some reason,

461
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Speaker 5: I'm not My psychologists in the family, and I was

462
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Speaker 5: talking to them about it, and in my mind I

463
00:21:27,441 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 5: kind of think I didn't lose. So it's a different mentality,

464
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Speaker 5: you know, I was. I wasn't really I was a victim,

465
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Speaker 5: but it wasn't like, oh, what do you want to

466
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Speaker 5: take me if you want? These kids had someone stand

467
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Speaker 5: up to them and I just wake up going every

468
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,441
Speaker 5: morning if I could feel shit, don't you feel shit?

469
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Speaker 5: I I'll talk to my friend and stuff and they're

470
00:21:47,441 --> 00:21:49,681
Speaker 5: you know, you go ups and downs, but every day

471
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Speaker 5: to thank god the kids weren't here. I'm just so

472
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Speaker 5: blessed that the kids went here, because that would have

473
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 5: ended up again.

474
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Speaker 2: You're going to other people and talk about you because

475
00:21:58,721 --> 00:22:01,441
Speaker 2: you were a victim, and the impact of this will

476
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Speaker 2: take a fair while to settle really into you.

477
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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to talk to somebody, to actually.

478
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Speaker 5: Clinical psychologist, Yes, he said, look, he could hit you

479
00:22:12,041 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 5: later on, he goes, but you didn't lose like the

480
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Speaker 5: sort of you got a carton and it was bad

481
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,561
Speaker 5: and fucking shit. And I'm fine here in the house

482
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Speaker 5: until the sun goes down and then we go back

483
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Speaker 5: to my parents' house if the sun goes down, and

484
00:22:25,961 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 5: then I freak out, you know, if I go like

485
00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 5: early anytime, if I'm having like upstairs, having a shower,

486
00:22:31,961 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 5: like I just don't want to feel vulnerable. You know,

487
00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:37,201
Speaker 5: my friend will be here down here just otherwise I'm

488
00:22:37,761 --> 00:22:41,721
Speaker 5: just to have someone charge into your house. Is it

489
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Speaker 5: freaked me out? He was like, I don't want to

490
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Speaker 5: be in that position, like if I'm having a shower

491
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Speaker 5: and then someone comes around the corner. So there's it's

492
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Speaker 5: just that through me because these homes.

493
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Speaker 2: Are not set up to be fortresses, to be functional homes.

494
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Speaker 2: You park the car at the front, you've got a

495
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Speaker 2: nice aspect in the back, glass doors, you know, a

496
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Speaker 2: little bit of a fence there, not much. So how

497
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Speaker 2: do you feel about remaining here long term after this

498
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Speaker 2: with your children?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I'm getting like, we're getting security doors, We're

500
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Speaker 5: getting this film on the glass that you can't break through,

501
00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:14,241
Speaker 5: which stick a hammer through and a glass doesn't break.

502
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Speaker 5: I'm getting roller shutters, there's cameras, There's things that are happening,

503
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Speaker 5: and I don't know until I move back. But I'm

504
00:23:21,721 --> 00:23:23,801
Speaker 5: not moving back with the kids till that happens. Their

505
00:23:23,801 --> 00:23:29,321
Speaker 5: mother is really concerned. So I don't know when I

506
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Speaker 5: move back in, and my first night, I'm not going

507
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Speaker 5: to bring the kids in the first night. I'm just

508
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Speaker 5: going to see how I feel. And then if you're

509
00:23:35,721 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 5: going to sell the house and move somewhere else, you've

510
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 5: got to do.

511
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Speaker 2: We now do because also in these situations I've dealt

512
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Speaker 2: with people, this sort of thing is quite a lot

513
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Speaker 2: over the years. It's not just the event, it stays

514
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,561
Speaker 2: with them, it's how they're treated afterwards. And if there

515
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,441
Speaker 2: isn't a proper level of support from detectives or other agencies,

516
00:23:53,921 --> 00:23:56,801
Speaker 2: that that can be part of the long term stress

517
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Speaker 2: of this. So it's important that the police do the

518
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,641
Speaker 2: right thing and follow up on this because otherwise you'll

519
00:24:03,681 --> 00:24:05,601
Speaker 2: be wearing it, in my opinion, the future.

520
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is all he grabs me. So I

521
00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 5: don't know what police should be doing or should not

522
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 5: be doing, other than ex police telling me they would

523
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: have tackled it a different way and they're never going

524
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Speaker 5: to get them. That's that's you know, I would have

525
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Speaker 5: grabbed the girl though, straight up. That's yeah. To me,

526
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Speaker 5: it's a no brainer. That's that's silly.

527
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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry that you've had to suffer this.

528
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Speaker 2: And as I said before, the worst thing is if

529
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Speaker 2: you suffer poor police work where the proper checks, the

530
00:24:32,321 --> 00:24:35,601
Speaker 2: proper inquiries are not made, and you need they need

531
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Speaker 2: to eliminate the possibility that she was involved in this.

532
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Speaker 1: So hopefully that happens. But thank you for sharing this

533
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Speaker 1: harrowing experience today, Michael.

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Speaker 6: It works, as Michael, you just heard what's happened in

535
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Speaker 6: his home here and this is the face of the

536
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Speaker 6: breakdown of law and.

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Speaker 1: Order in this city.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just in Melbourne, it's other places as well,

539
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Speaker 2: and young people running around with machetes.

540
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Speaker 1: We had this ridiculous machete band in.

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Speaker 2: Victoria and that multi me dollar waste of time and

542
00:25:06,281 --> 00:25:09,921
Speaker 2: machete amnesty where people were invited to put their blades

543
00:25:09,961 --> 00:25:12,641
Speaker 2: inside bins directly outside police stations.

544
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Speaker 1: It didn't work. What's the next step?

545
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Speaker 2: Who has to suffer this sort of a drama before

546
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Speaker 2: there's true action taken. But I think most of all

547
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Speaker 2: this story demonstrates just poor police work. And it's lucky

548
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,801
Speaker 2: that Michael had a couple of ex Victoria police detective,

549
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Speaker 2: very good guys who are pushing this and I'm very

550
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Speaker 2: glad to have told this story. Maybe there other people

551
00:25:31,241 --> 00:25:33,921
Speaker 2: out there who've suffered similar things. I guess you can

552
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Speaker 2: call crime Stoppers one. It had a triple three, triple zero.

553
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Speaker 2: But if you don't trust the cops, and maybe this

554
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Speaker 2: story makes you not trust the cops, send me an

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Speaker 2: email Adam Shander writer at gmail dot com and I'll

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Speaker 2: see what I can do for you.

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Speaker 1: This has been Adam Chan for real Crime. Thanks for listening,