1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,040 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Sean 2 00:00:08,250 --> 00:00:11,728 Sean Aylmer: Aylmer. There are continued calls for US President Joe Biden 3 00:00:11,730 --> 00:00:15,360 Sean Aylmer: to withdraw from the election campaign following an uncomfortable showing 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,789 Sean Aylmer: in last week's debate with Donald Trump. During the debate, 5 00:00:17,789 --> 00:00:20,610 Sean Aylmer: the 81- year- old Biden appeared to lose his way 6 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:23,730 Sean Aylmer: a number of times, doing little to reassure voters that 7 00:00:23,730 --> 00:00:27,120 Sean Aylmer: he's capable of serving another full term. On the other 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,719 Sean Aylmer: hand, Donald Trump seemed much more confident and compelling even 9 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:33,780 Sean Aylmer: if many of his claims weren't able to be substantiated. 10 00:00:34,019 --> 00:00:36,150 Sean Aylmer: It's led to something of a panic within the Democrats 11 00:00:36,150 --> 00:00:39,000 Sean Aylmer: and plenty of talk about replacing Biden in the campaign 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Sean Aylmer: even at this very late stage. The President spent the 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,790 Sean Aylmer: last few days at Camp David, a pre- planned visit 14 00:00:44,790 --> 00:00:47,398 Sean Aylmer: with his extended family. But of course, that just sparks 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,329 Sean Aylmer: speculation he's talking with them about his future. Bruce Wolpe 16 00:00:51,330 --> 00:00:53,579 Sean Aylmer: is a senior fellow non- resident at the United States 17 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:56,280 Sean Aylmer: Studies Center. He's worked with the Democrats in Congress during 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,550 Sean Aylmer: President Barack Obama's first term, and on the staff of 19 00:00:59,550 --> 00:01:03,060 Sean Aylmer: Prime Minister Julia Gillard last year, he published Trump's Australia, 20 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,399 Sean Aylmer: which looks at the potential for Donald Trump to return 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,009 Sean Aylmer: to the presidency and what that means for us here 22 00:01:08,009 --> 00:01:10,230 Sean Aylmer: in Australia. Bruce Wolpe, welcome back to Fear and Greed. 23 00:01:10,559 --> 00:01:12,299 Bruce Wolpe: Sean, great to be back with you. Thank you. 24 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:14,039 Sean Aylmer: Can Joe Biden win? 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,900 Bruce Wolpe: Yes, but it's not clear as to how he does it. He 26 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:21,660 Bruce Wolpe: was really staggered last week by what happened during the 27 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:26,789 Bruce Wolpe: debate. It was just terrible, an ordeal, catastrophic. There hasn't 28 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:30,268 Bruce Wolpe: been anything like it in the history of modern politics 29 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:34,440 Bruce Wolpe: of presidential debates, and it was just ... He finished it 30 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:38,039 Bruce Wolpe: on the mat with no punches to throw, and that 31 00:01:38,039 --> 00:01:41,490 Bruce Wolpe: has triggered a freakout in the Democratic Party as to 32 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:44,429 Bruce Wolpe: what should happen. We're late in the season here. The 33 00:01:44,429 --> 00:01:48,389 Bruce Wolpe: convention to seal Biden's nomination is coming up in August. 34 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:52,080 Bruce Wolpe: Democrats want to win. Biden wants to win. Going into 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,110 Bruce Wolpe: the debate, the race was essentially tied at the national 36 00:01:55,110 --> 00:01:58,830 Bruce Wolpe: level. Both Trump, Biden had about 45% of the national 37 00:01:58,830 --> 00:02:01,080 Bruce Wolpe: vote, but that's not where elections are decided. As we 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Bruce Wolpe: know from 2016 and 2020, it's in the swing states and 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,880 Bruce Wolpe: the electoral college. Biden was trailing Trump between two and 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,970 Bruce Wolpe: seven points in almost all those states, which meant if 41 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:14,789 Bruce Wolpe: the election was held on debate day, he'd lose. And 42 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:17,460 Bruce Wolpe: if the election was held today, he'd lose. So the 43 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:21,179 Bruce Wolpe: question is, is there a road to victory for Biden 44 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:24,179 Bruce Wolpe: after what happened? And no one can quite see it 45 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:27,060 Bruce Wolpe: yet. No one can see it. So Biden has been 46 00:02:27,450 --> 00:02:30,330 Bruce Wolpe: weighing because everyone is in this freak out in the 47 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:33,720 Bruce Wolpe: party. Well, do I stay or do I go> and 48 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:37,168 Bruce Wolpe: we'll know in the next couple of days for sure 49 00:02:37,230 --> 00:02:39,029 Bruce Wolpe: but my instinct is he wants to stay. 50 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:42,540 Sean Aylmer: Okay. Can I just go back to the debate quickly? 51 00:02:42,660 --> 00:02:44,790 Sean Aylmer: Does no one actually listen to what was said? Is it 52 00:02:44,790 --> 00:02:47,518 Sean Aylmer: all about how it appears? Because if you actually listened 53 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:51,150 Sean Aylmer: to what was said, certainly Donald Trump was more compelling, 54 00:02:51,419 --> 00:02:54,450 Sean Aylmer: but he didn't answer questions and he avoided, and a 55 00:02:54,450 --> 00:02:56,489 Sean Aylmer: lot of name- calling. That type of thing. When it 56 00:02:56,490 --> 00:03:00,119 Sean Aylmer: came to policy, Joe Biden at least tried, albeit, didn't 57 00:03:00,119 --> 00:03:02,250 Sean Aylmer: come across very well. Does that not matter? 58 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:05,430 Bruce Wolpe: It was a televised debate. In television, how you look 59 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:07,680 Bruce Wolpe: is as important as what you say. That's why we're 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,059 Bruce Wolpe: talking without cameras here, Sean, and we're doing a great job. 61 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:14,640 Sean Aylmer: We're sounding very good. 62 00:03:16,799 --> 00:03:21,959 Bruce Wolpe: In the first televised debate, modern times, 1960, Kennedy- Nixon, 63 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:24,960 Bruce Wolpe: people who saw the debate thought Kennedy absolutely won it 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,638 Bruce Wolpe: hands down because he looked young, vigorous, very cool. Nixon 65 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,649 Bruce Wolpe: was perspiring, mopped his face and didn't compare favorably. But 66 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:36,480 Bruce Wolpe: those who listened to it on radio thought that Nixon 67 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,020 Bruce Wolpe: won the debate. But this was a visual event. And 68 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:42,090 Bruce Wolpe: when Biden, you could see when he walked out onto 69 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:44,969 Bruce Wolpe: the stage, it was his halting walk. That's the way he walks 70 00:03:44,970 --> 00:03:47,160 Bruce Wolpe: these days. But here you see it in a pronounced 71 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,059 Bruce Wolpe: form. And then he was very pale compared to Trump, 72 00:03:51,059 --> 00:03:56,790 Bruce Wolpe: who relishes makeup a lot. And so it was an uncompelling 73 00:03:57,300 --> 00:04:00,030 Bruce Wolpe: television presence from the outset and it hurt him. 74 00:04:00,870 --> 00:04:05,370 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so we are where we're at. Has there been 75 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:09,149 Sean Aylmer: a precedent where a president, or sorry, nominee for a 76 00:04:09,150 --> 00:04:13,920 Sean Aylmer: president, particularly when he's president, has been removed or has 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,950 Sean Aylmer: decided to step down this close to an election? 78 00:04:17,550 --> 00:04:19,710 Bruce Wolpe: Not this close to an election. I mean, the last 79 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:24,960 Bruce Wolpe: semi direct parallel was Lyndon Johnson, 1968, the war in 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,219 Bruce Wolpe: Vietnam, very unpopular, an insurgency in the Democratic Party over 81 00:04:29,219 --> 00:04:34,080 Bruce Wolpe: the war. Eugene McCarthy, senator from Minnesota was contesting Johnson 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,870 Bruce Wolpe: in the primaries. He did very well in New Hampshire 83 00:04:36,930 --> 00:04:40,440 Bruce Wolpe: in early March of that year, getting about 38% of 84 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,799 Bruce Wolpe: the vote and really sort of staggered LBJ. Then Bobby 85 00:04:43,799 --> 00:04:47,639 Bruce Wolpe: Kennedy is the brother of the slain president, indicated that 86 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:49,979 Bruce Wolpe: he wanted to enter the race too. At the end 87 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:54,001 Bruce Wolpe: of March, Johnson took to the air to (inaudible) 88 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:55,650 Bruce Wolpe: an update on Vietnam, and then he stunned the country 89 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,349 Bruce Wolpe: by saying, at the end of his speech, " I will 90 00:04:58,349 --> 00:05:00,330 Bruce Wolpe: not seek and I will not accept the nomination of 91 00:05:00,330 --> 00:05:02,759 Bruce Wolpe: my party to be President because I want to devote 92 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:05,910 Bruce Wolpe: my energies to solving the war in Vietnam." Now we 93 00:05:05,910 --> 00:05:11,099 Bruce Wolpe: are past that point with Joe Biden now. And no 94 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,669 Bruce Wolpe: one can arise like McCarthy and Kennedy to challenge him 95 00:05:14,670 --> 00:05:17,969 Bruce Wolpe: for the nomination. Biden has the nomination. So the only 96 00:05:17,969 --> 00:05:21,059 Bruce Wolpe: way this opens up is if Biden takes himself off 97 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:23,428 Bruce Wolpe: the field, and that's what he's been weighing over the 98 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:24,870 Bruce Wolpe: past couple of days at Camp David. 99 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:27,060 Sean Aylmer: Stay with me, Bruce, we'll be back in a minute. 100 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:36,960 Sean Aylmer: I'm speaking to Bruce Wolpe, senior fellow non- resident at 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,118 Sean Aylmer: the United States Studies Center. What chance that Joe Biden 102 00:05:42,119 --> 00:05:43,890 Sean Aylmer: says it's best if I let it go? 103 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:46,500 Bruce Wolpe: I believe he's going to say it's best that I 104 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:49,979 Bruce Wolpe: stay, and as soon as he says that, it's like, 105 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:53,880 Bruce Wolpe: okay, what is our road to victory here? He gave 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,400 Bruce Wolpe: a great speech the day after the debate in North 107 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,250 Bruce Wolpe: Carolina, but it was a teleprompter, it wasn't an impromptu 108 00:05:59,250 --> 00:06:02,760 Bruce Wolpe: speech. But it had all the messages, all the takedowns of Trump, 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,839 Bruce Wolpe: all the arguments, all the vim and vigor that you 110 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,690 Bruce Wolpe: would want. And he's got to make that speech about 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,589 Bruce Wolpe: 5 days a week for the next 20 weeks to 112 00:06:13,589 --> 00:06:18,150 Bruce Wolpe: win this nomination. So he needs to show a credible 113 00:06:18,540 --> 00:06:22,710 Bruce Wolpe: path strategy. But at the same time, given that he's 114 00:06:22,830 --> 00:06:26,700 Bruce Wolpe: behind to this extent, and Trump seems to have momentum 115 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:29,670 Bruce Wolpe: for all the reasons that you outlined, whether it's legitimate 116 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:32,369 Bruce Wolpe: or not, as to what kind of person he is, 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,389 Bruce Wolpe: that because Trump has momentum, Biden really has to show 118 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:39,599 Bruce Wolpe: his moxie and how to get there. But it also 119 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,880 Bruce Wolpe: means that something is going to have to happen to 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,169 Bruce Wolpe: Trump to take him down, and that is something that 121 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:49,110 Bruce Wolpe: is likely beyond Biden's control. 122 00:06:49,799 --> 00:06:52,680 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so just before we finish off on that, so 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,900 Sean Aylmer: it's unlikely that Joe Biden will step down, but if 124 00:06:54,930 --> 00:06:57,930 Sean Aylmer: he did, does it have to go to Kamala Harris 125 00:06:57,930 --> 00:06:59,400 Sean Aylmer: or does it have to go to ... I know the 126 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Sean Aylmer: governor from Michigan has been talked about. There's been a 127 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,290 Sean Aylmer: bunch of people. But is it Kamala Harris particularly because 128 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:06,060 Sean Aylmer: of the fundraising that kind of has to get it? 129 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:09,209 Bruce Wolpe: I think it'd be wide open at that point. Kamala 130 00:07:09,210 --> 00:07:12,600 Bruce Wolpe: Harris would certainly enter. I think Gavin Newsom of California, 131 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Bruce Wolpe: Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan, several senators. Senators, they get 132 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,900 Bruce Wolpe: up in the morning, they look at the mirror and 133 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,179 Bruce Wolpe: they look at that and they say, " Oh, you too could be President of 134 00:07:21,570 --> 00:07:24,270 Bruce Wolpe: the United States." So you may get some interest. And 135 00:07:24,690 --> 00:07:27,089 Bruce Wolpe: money is not a problem. Democrats have plenty of money 136 00:07:27,089 --> 00:07:30,000 Bruce Wolpe: and they want to win and they want to beat Trump. They want to 137 00:07:30,299 --> 00:07:34,050 Bruce Wolpe: win badly, but it would be messy. Now, Kamala Harris 138 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:37,230 Bruce Wolpe: is the first Black woman vice president. If she has 139 00:07:37,230 --> 00:07:41,760 Bruce Wolpe: passed over, Biden off the field and candidates are selected, 140 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:44,670 Bruce Wolpe: if she's passed over, that is a problem inside the 141 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:47,789 Bruce Wolpe: Democratic Party that will not get you much farther than 142 00:07:47,789 --> 00:07:50,880 Bruce Wolpe: where you are with Joe Biden today. So that will 143 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Bruce Wolpe: have to be played out. Then there are two views. 144 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,320 Bruce Wolpe: One is that this would be a celebration of a 145 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:01,530 Bruce Wolpe: Democratic contest. It would show the vitality in the party, 146 00:08:01,530 --> 00:08:04,259 Bruce Wolpe: how many great candidates there are, how effective they could 147 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:07,380 Bruce Wolpe: be. In other words, a net plus, because the Democrats 148 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:09,600 Bruce Wolpe: have a lot of talent, but a lot of other 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,470 Bruce Wolpe: people feel that this would be extremely divisive, very bitter 150 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:15,989 Bruce Wolpe: with a whole bunch of disappointment, notwithstanding you get a 151 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:19,410 Bruce Wolpe: winner. And that will be a drag on Democrats too. 152 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,820 Bruce Wolpe: All of which leads to the logic of not withstanding 153 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:27,000 Bruce Wolpe: the tough position, the exceedingly tough position Biden is in 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,610 Bruce Wolpe: right now, all that leads (inaudible) logic of his 155 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:30,540 Bruce Wolpe: staying in the race. 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,389 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so let's say we'll work on the basis that 157 00:08:33,389 --> 00:08:36,090 Sean Aylmer: he's staying in the race. So it's Trump versus Biden. 158 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:39,389 Sean Aylmer: You've said that he needs to make 20 good speeches 159 00:08:39,389 --> 00:08:39,481 Sean Aylmer: a week. 160 00:08:39,481 --> 00:08:39,960 Bruce Wolpe: 5 a week, 20 a month. 161 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,319 Sean Aylmer: 5 a week, 20 a month. 162 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,429 Bruce Wolpe: For four months. 163 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,760 Sean Aylmer: Can he do it? Does he have the capability of 164 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:48,150 Sean Aylmer: doing it? 165 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:51,479 Bruce Wolpe: I think so. Before going into the debate, he had 166 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,419 Bruce Wolpe: been in Normandy, he had been in Italy, he flew 167 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:58,859 Bruce Wolpe: to California for a fundraiser with President Obama and President 168 00:08:58,859 --> 00:09:02,820 Bruce Wolpe: Clinton, which raised another issue. You have not had any 169 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:08,429 Bruce Wolpe: leading democratic officials, not one senator, not one governor, not 170 00:09:08,429 --> 00:09:10,740 Bruce Wolpe: one member of the cabinet, not one leader of the 171 00:09:10,740 --> 00:09:14,160 Bruce Wolpe: House, not one leader of the Senate stand up and say, " 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,639 Bruce Wolpe: Mr. President, time to move on." So he's not being 173 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:22,020 Bruce Wolpe: challenged by the leaders of the party who have served 174 00:09:22,110 --> 00:09:25,708 Bruce Wolpe: the Democrats very well over the past 20 years. No 175 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:27,780 Bruce Wolpe: one's standing up and saying, " You got to go." That's 176 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:29,640 Bruce Wolpe: another reason why he will stay. 177 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:32,399 Sean Aylmer: Donald Trump. What do you think he's thinking about all 178 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:32,999 Sean Aylmer: this right now? 179 00:09:33,330 --> 00:09:35,939 Bruce Wolpe: I think he loves it. I mean, he came into 180 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:40,679 Bruce Wolpe: the debate to show that Biden is suffering mentally and 181 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,260 Bruce Wolpe: that he can't string two sentences together. He's been saying 182 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:46,140 Bruce Wolpe: that for months on the campaign trail, and guess what? 183 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,429 Bruce Wolpe: He was vindicated. So I think he feels really in 184 00:09:50,429 --> 00:09:53,879 Bruce Wolpe: a commanding position. It's another reason why if he happens 185 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,280 Bruce Wolpe: to lose the election, he'll say, " How the hell did 186 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,740 Bruce Wolpe: I lose this election? It's rigged. I was leading him 187 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:02,160 Bruce Wolpe: so badly, I beat Biden to a pulp. I was 188 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,080 Bruce Wolpe: leading in all the polls, and now I lose on 189 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,230 Bruce Wolpe: November 5th, the election is stolen once again." So that's 190 00:10:07,230 --> 00:10:07,949 Bruce Wolpe: where Trump is? 191 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,860 Sean Aylmer: Four months out. Who's going to win the election? 192 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:12,030 Bruce Wolpe: I can't tell you. 193 00:10:12,299 --> 00:10:12,900 Sean Aylmer: Oh, come on. 194 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:13,141 Bruce Wolpe: I can't tell you. I can't. 195 00:10:13,141 --> 00:10:16,380 Sean Aylmer: Come on. I've known you for years, Bruce. Make it up. 196 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:16,920 Bruce Wolpe: Well, you know me. 197 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:17,002 Sean Aylmer: Yeah (inaudible) . 198 00:10:17,490 --> 00:10:20,670 Bruce Wolpe: That's what you know about me, that I don't make it 199 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:23,820 Bruce Wolpe: up. We'll talk in September, and there is a lot 200 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:27,570 Bruce Wolpe: of ... It's interesting. It's early still, even though it's four 201 00:10:27,570 --> 00:10:30,420 Bruce Wolpe: months out. Summer is coming, people kind of check out. 202 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:32,640 Bruce Wolpe: When they get back in September, that's when things kind 203 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,578 Bruce Wolpe: of crystallize, that's when polling opens in a lot of 204 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:38,099 Bruce Wolpe: states, early voting and stuff like that. And there will 205 00:10:38,099 --> 00:10:40,290 Bruce Wolpe: be events between now and then. I mean, Trump is 206 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:42,330 Bruce Wolpe: going to be sentenced in New York on the hush 207 00:10:42,330 --> 00:10:45,809 Bruce Wolpe: money case, July 11th. He will select a vice president 208 00:10:45,809 --> 00:10:48,208 Bruce Wolpe: a couple of days after that most likely. And then 209 00:10:48,208 --> 00:10:52,620 Bruce Wolpe: the Republican Convention follows on July 15th. A lot of 210 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:57,000 Bruce Wolpe: presidential candidates have had problems selecting a good vice president, 211 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Bruce Wolpe: and sometimes they implode, and that blows back on the 212 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,570 Bruce Wolpe: presidential nominee. So he has some challenges to face. I 213 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:05,579 Bruce Wolpe: think we're going to get a ruling. It could come 214 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:11,910 Bruce Wolpe: anytime on whether Trump is immune from charges. Can you 215 00:11:12,059 --> 00:11:15,929 Bruce Wolpe: bring a former president to court? The Supreme Court's going 216 00:11:15,929 --> 00:11:19,348 Bruce Wolpe: to rule on that issue, and that could maybe enable 217 00:11:19,349 --> 00:11:22,708 Bruce Wolpe: a trial of the January 6th insurrection involving Trump to 218 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:26,610 Bruce Wolpe: unfold before election day. So there will be more surprises. 219 00:11:26,670 --> 00:11:29,670 Bruce Wolpe: So this is not locked yet, but again, Biden is 220 00:11:30,059 --> 00:11:32,880 Bruce Wolpe: now restarting from a dangerous position. 221 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:34,950 Sean Aylmer: Bruce, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 222 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,000 Bruce Wolpe: Thank you, Sean. 223 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:39,000 Sean Aylmer: That's Bruce Wolpe, senior fellow non- resident at the United 224 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,208 Sean Aylmer: States Studies Center. This is the Fear and Greed Business 225 00:11:42,208 --> 00:11:44,280 Sean Aylmer: Interview. 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