WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 4 June 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.400 Lately. 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to the Lake to Base. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:07.360 Well, good evening. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.800 I'm James Macpherson with Freilich and Caleb Bond coming up tonight. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.640 Great news for coffee drinkers. Researchers say it will help 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.120 you age well. But how many cups do you need 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.360 to drink every day to look like Caleb Bond? We 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.440 will explain that a little later plus when we get 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.640 to what's making news tomorrow. Queensland prisoners of scone from 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.880 jail to go and buy KFC. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.760 I'm serious. That's a headline in tomorrow's papers. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.600 And the Papua New Guinean government makes their choice between 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.960 Australia and China as their security partners. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.280 But let's start with a question. Do we need to 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.920 crack down on dog owners? 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.320 Sydney councils are complaining that dog owners are out of control. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.199 They're walking their dogs off the leash and failing to 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.400 pick up their poop, and so the New South Wales 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:57.120 government is currently reviewing dog legislation, with councils wanting penalties 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.520 that bite. They want fines for walking your dog flesh 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.440 increased from three hundred and thirty dollars and Waverley council 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:09.280 wants the power to compel dog owners to undergo responsible 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.720 pet ownership training. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:12.280 Is this a real. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.800 Problem or Preyoh's councils just barking up the wrong tree 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:16.240 with this one. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.360 Obviously we want dog owners to be responsible, but I 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.880 think the vast majority of them are. There are millions 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.600 of pets in New South Wales. Yes, you hear about 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.120 the occasional instance, but seriously, I just think this is 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.080 some councils who love to get their hands on more 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.880 and more power wherever they can, and what this will 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.480 turn into. It starts as re education training to learn 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.639 how to look after a dog, It ends with license fees, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.880 it ends with more and more regulation, and that's the 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.600 danger here. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.720 Well perhaps so, but I mean I've seen some pretty 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.680 terrible dog owners getting about let their dog. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.880 You know, crap all over the footpath at the front 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:53.520 of my joint. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.080 You know that there is nothing worse than going for 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.440 a nice afternoon walk and you accidentally tread in some 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.480 too that some third owner couldn't take the time to 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.120 pick up. It happens all the time, and for some reason, 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.000 dog owners have this attitude. Many dog owners, not all 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.320 of them, I will note, But many dog owners seem 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.040 to have this attitude. Their dogs should be able to 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.040 go wherever they go at all times, and should be 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.320 treated like a child and doted upon. And if you 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.480 have an issue with their dog being there, it's like 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.359 saying you've got an ugly baby. Well, I'm sorry, it's 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.800 a dog. Like if it's an animal, it doesn't have 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.639 to be there. It should be on leash. It shouldn't 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.160 be allowed to run around any park at wants. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:34.960 They shouldn't be. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.960 Allowed off leash on the beach, going up terrorizing little kids. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.440 I mean, can you imagine? No, No, I'm serious, I'm serious. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.880 I'm a small child, a small child that does not 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.320 have experience with dogs. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:47.960 S he's a. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.520 Big dog bounding towards it. And I'm well aware that 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.040 big dogs are generally more docile than little dogs. But 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.160 sees a big dog bounding towards it, and it's scares 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.520 a child's living wits out of them. The dog on 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.200 a leash, look after it, keep it to yourself. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.920 Fine, that's a great rant, But you failed to disclose 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.239 that you are a cat person, and so I think 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.760 hang on high conflict of interesting. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:11.440 Well, I have two. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.400 Cats at home. I also have a couple of dogs 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.160 on the tracks. I have ownership in their cats, horses, dogs. 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.240 Dogs on the track are a completely different kettle fish. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.160 The Waverley Council were complaining they've had five hundred and 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:28.120 fifty five breeches that's people walking their dogs off leash 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.480 over the last three years, which sounds like a lot 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.880 until you realize there's over ten thousand dogs in that 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.600 council area, so it would be one point six percent 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:39.560 of dogs being walked. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.279 Off leash every year. This has been a major problem. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:44.000 That have been caught. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.640 That's you know, the fine I think the maximum three 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.160 hundred the maximum three hundred and thirty bucks for walking 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.040 your dog off every years out Wales. In Queensland it's 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:52.960 eight hundred bucks. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.000 And to be honest and have a problem. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.600 I mean, look, if you catch me walking my cat 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.920 off leash, you can find me that too. And the 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.280 fine for not picking up a dog turd is two 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.360 hundred and seventy five dollars. I mean that is as 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.240 far as I'm concerned, it is a worse offense than 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.000 speeding leaving a dog third on the footpath. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.680 It is Are you serious, Caleb Honestly, I never expected 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.360 you to be the kind of person to come out 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.320 here and argue for more local council finds, more local 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:20.360 council regulations. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.240 It kind of flies in the face of everything you 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.080 say every night. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.960 But I just a certain overreaction, and it is stemming 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:28.960 from your cat self. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.480 Cat owners are the worse. I'm sorry, please. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.359 Cats are conservative animals because they're not mendicant. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.359 Dogs are mendicant. Dogs are left wingers. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.160 They rely on their owners to do everything for them. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.680 Cats don't tread on me. They believe in the individual. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.920 They're self sustaining, they don't need someone to do something. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.359 But I mean, dogs are the welfare doll bloods of 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.960 the world compared to cats. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.640 The Waverley Council's insistence that if you are caught walking 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.560 your dog orf leash you should be sent for mandatory 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.120 pet responsibility training is simply ridiculou If you're allowed to 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.839 run the workshop on the footpath outside closed place, that's 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.560 not ignorance, that's just a lack of courtesy. So training 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:08.800 isn't going to fix that. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.160 That's a ridiculous side. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.760 Well, I don't know, maybe if you sort of adopt 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.880 the Singapore line of punishment and you start giving corporal punishment, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.200 it may teach them a lesson or. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.840 Tell you what I did learn on this topic. Though 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.599 there's four point seven million dogs and. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.240 Cats as pets in New South Wales and you have 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:26.159 zero of them. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.720 See use, So I'm not responsible. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.279 You have argued on this panel before that people shouldn't 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.040 be allowed to take their dogs to the pub or 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:33.719 the cafes. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:39.479 So we're on a virgin aircraft and you can do that. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.040 Again, but you know, each leave it. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.000 Up to the individual venue owner. But like, don't tell 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.880 me that you have a right to take your dog 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:45.599 wherever you want. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:46.160 You don't. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.600 And while we're talking about council, is actually a good 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.080 news story. You might remember last night we told you 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.600 about morning Mornington Peninsula Shire Council in Victoria. But they 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.159 sent out these leaflets for one of the kindergartens where 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.320 they were saying, you know, sign up for next year, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.200 and they had on the bottom as you can see, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.080 they're the Pride flag and the Aboriginal flag and the 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.560 Torystrade Islander flag and the Australian flag was nowhere to 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.640 be seen. It came up at their council meeting last 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.760 night and Councilor Bruce Ranken, good on him, came out 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.320 with some pretty common sense stuff and said, well, if 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.760 we're going to use flags anywhere, we also have to 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.000 accompany it with the Australian flag. So that's now been 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.800 passed by the Council and they've also said that within 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.400 sixty days the staff have to come back with a 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.239 revised flags Flags policy that takes all this stuff into 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.919 account and the control of how flags are flown should 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.039 be in the hands of councilors and not in the 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.840 hands of staff, and good on them for responding very 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.120 quickly and doing something. But can you believe out the 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.360 front of their council chambers and you'll be able to 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.520 see the photo here they have six flags. I mean 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.280 they love flags, clearly. You've got the Australian flag, the 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.840 Victorian flag, the Aboriginal flag, the Torrest Trade Islander flag, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.599 the flag and the council flag. So I can understand 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.760 why they need a flag's policy to deal with all 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.279 of this stuff. But good on them for responding quickly 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.440 and saying no, this is not good enough. The Australian 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:11.360 flag should be used. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.360 If flags being you. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.400 Give them too much credit. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.280 They've responded quickly to this instance, but this is not 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.240 the first occasion they've done this. Last year they're a 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.640 positive aging newsletter which is published and put out by 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.640 the council five times at least. You can see on 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.080 the bottom of the newsletter there same thing. They've got 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.200 the Pride flag, the Torres Straight Islander flag, the Indigenous flag, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.680 And it was only after complaints that finally earlier this 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.520 year they changed that newsletter and put the Aussie flag 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.240 on there as well. So it's not the first time 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.600 this has happened. But obviously the backlash from I think 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.080 it was because it was a kindergarten. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.480 I think that made the difference. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.480 Although I think they should have gone further than just 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.400 saying the Aussie flag must be included. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.040 Why wouldn't you just say no other flags. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.040 There's one flag that unites us all the Australian flag. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.080 All other flags fly them on your. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.200 On a flyer at all, when all other flags really 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.880 do just divide us into groups. We should be focusing 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.320 on uniting as a country. But the other thing I 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.360 love about this is they're stripping the power off the 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.960 bureaucrats of course, it was the bureaucrats that put the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.920 other flags and not the Australian flag onto the fly, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.120 because that's how it often is. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.880 The long march through the institutions is underway. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.920 But also in Victoria, a freedom of information request has 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:29.360 revealed that the former Premier Daniel Andrews, three weeks before 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.440 the Voice to Parliament referendum, when he received news that 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:39.200 polling showed it was tanking, authorized the expenditure of six 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:46.000 point five million dollars to promote the yes case. Now, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:51.120 I can't say I'm especially surprised, but I think the 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.280 fact that he tried, he didn't disclose this to the public. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.160 It was only made public through the freedom of information requests. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.800 There will be no accountability for this because he is 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.800 obviously gone and fifty five percent of Victorians voted no. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.720 It's like and three weeks before I get you know, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.800 if twelve months before they thought this was part of 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.120 some grand strategy for reconciliation, but three weeks before they've 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.240 looked at the polly and gone, oh crap, let's shovel 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.200 in six point five million dollars, Like, what did they 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.040 expect to achieve? 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.480 I felt conflicted with this story because the money was 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.480 taken from an allocation towards treaty in Victoria. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.000 So they took six point. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.240 Five million dollars from their treaty proposal put it towards 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:34.720 the Voice. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.679 But here's the bad news. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.560 They never spent it, and so I wish that they 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.480 actually spent it. The Voice would have been lost and 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.680 it would have been less funding for a treaty, which 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.560 I think is unnecessary. However, I was amused by a 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.240 government spokesperson. He said, well, it doesn't matter because the 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.640 money wasn't actually spent. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.000 It's the fact that they. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:57.280 Took state government money and put it towards a federal issue, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.000 an issue that the majority of Victorians, as you pointed out, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.520 did not support. And you also pointed out quite correctly, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.920 this was done three weeks before the referendum, when it 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.160 was pretty well known to polsters this thing was going 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.319 to die, and yet they still were on the verge 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.240 of committing six to a half million dollars of taxpayer 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.880 money towards a lost cause. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.559 Yeah, and it's the same as when we talk about 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.600 councils not sticking to the knitting, you know, roads rates 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.640 and rubbish. This is exactly the same situation. State governments 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.240 should not be getting involved in federal issues. Local governments 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.720 shouldn't be getting involved in state issues, and vice versa. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.640 Federal governments shouldn't be dictating to state governments how they 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.160 run their business. So it's no business of a state 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.160 government to be taking taxpayers money. And that's the other 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.520 thing that really annoys me about this is that it's 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.880 not I understand government spend money to promote policies or 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.280 to promote programs that they have going go and sign 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.160 up for this and that and whatever. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:56.480 But if you are. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:01.200 Spending public moneies ostensibly to campaign for a political point 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:06.240 of view, a contentious issue, a referendum, it has nothing 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.119 to do with your state. That is a complete misuse 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.040 of public money. It's sticking your nose in a place. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.040 Where it does not belong. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.240 But it's also using taxpayers money, which, beyond the point 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.679 of executing policies that you have been elected to execute, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.920 should be a political that government. That money is there 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.800 to be spent on government business. Campaigning on a federal 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.760 issue is not state government business. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.479 You have to wonder about the relationship between Anthony Albanesi, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.560 who desperately wanted this referendum to succeed, it would be 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:38.559 his legacy moment. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.520 And Dan Andrews who. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.160 Makes this decision, as you said, just three weeks before 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.160 the vote, trying to help his federal mate, and of 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.560 course during the most recent elections, Dan Andrews who was 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.240 coaching Anthony Albanesi in debating techniques. So the two are 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.840 obviously close, and you have to wonder whether that played 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.040 into the decision to take a bit of money from 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.160 here and throw it over there. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.120 It's funny I had thought about that for a while 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.920 when you mentioned that Andrews was helping out with his 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.840 debate practice. Of course, his role in the debate practice 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.000 was to pretend to be Peter Dutton. And so do 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.960 we think that perhaps the unpopularity of Daniel Andrews may 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.040 have eventually rubbed off on Peter Dutton because of course 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.199 he pretended to be the bloke. There are a few 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.000 similarities that could be drawn there. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.000 Let's go to the UK. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.160 We're a fascinating study out of Buckingham University has found 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:32.040 that in forty years time, white British people will be 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.840 a minority in their own country. Now this was done 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.320 through assessing migration levels, birth rates and death rates. You 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.600 can see a graph that will show you in just 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:47.280 a moment that demonstrates how right now, white British people 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.000 make up seventy three percent of the population. That's the 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.400 light blue line on the far left of your screen there, 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.040 that's seventy three percent, But it drops to twenty fifty 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.240 when white British people will be fifty seven percent of 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.199 the population, and then by twenty sixty three British white 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.200 people will be less than fifty percent. By the end 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.760 of the century, they estimate that white Brits will comprise 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.439 just thirty three point seven percent of the population of Britain. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:14.959 Now. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.640 They're being replaced by foreign born and second generation immigrants, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.400 who now are less than twenty percent of the population, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.320 but in twenty five years will make up fully a 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.280 third of the population, and by the end of the century, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.360 researchers estimate that six out of ten Brits will have 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.800 been born outside the UK or have at least one 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.120 immigrant parent. When it comes to religion, the statistics have 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.480 shown that the Muslim population now seven percent, will be 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.520 eleven percent in twenty five years, and by the end 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.559 of the century will be somewhere between twenty and twenty 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.839 five percent. With under forties it'll be one in three 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:54.640 people will be Muslim. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.160 This is a massive. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.720 Change in the demography of the UK and it begs 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.440 the question the UK still with the UK, but with 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.400 different people. If you've got a population that no longer 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.160 agree on the symbols, the traditions, the culture or the religion, 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.240 with nothing to unify them and no shared identity, are 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.240 you headed for civil strife or freyer? Do we have 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.640 leadership that can somehow navigate this and hold a country together? 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.960 And the important thing to note is that Australia is 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:24.480 a multi ethnic society. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.240 The West is multi ethnic. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.200 But multi ethnic societies only work if we're united by 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.560 shared values. We have to have a common set of 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.560 values and culture and without that things do start to crumble. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:43.880 And I guess the question here is essentially, in three generations, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.960 the demographics of the Western world at large, because this 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.560 is happening in Australia as well, it's happening in Canada, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.560 it's happening across the rest of Europe, have been totally changed. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.880 This is unprecedented in global history. There has never been 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.560 such a rapid and profound chain in the makeup of societies, 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.640 and the question is can the center hold What does 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.760 it look like when you know the country that started 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.400 the Church of England now at the end of the century, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.840 one in five people will be Muslim like it does 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.320 raise those serious questions around what the future of Britain is. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.360 And I also can't help but notice that there's a 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.480 double standard when it comes to diversity. We don't go 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.480 to Japan or China and say you, guys need to 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:32.120 be more diverse, you need to embrace multiculturalism. But people 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:33.840 say that about the West all the time, and I 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.640 would say no, we are very welcoming, very accepting, so 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.200 much so that the country is going to look completely different. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.240 Well, it will be unrecognizable. And that is a great 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.960 chain because it should be noticed it's not specifically about race, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.520 because this will be people will turn this around and say, oh, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.560 it's white supremacists to say that you're worried about there 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.800 won't be enough white people in Britain. Well, the definition 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.680 of white people in this study was people who don't 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.000 have an immigrant parent. So you could be third generation 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:09.000 living in England, but you're Bangladeshi by origin and you're 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.840 counted as being white in this study, so we'll be 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:13.760 clear about that. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.600 But to say that it is bad to. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.560 Worry about where a country is going, and that is 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.720 essentially the inference when we talk about these things, is 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.200 wrong because why did people move to Britain in the 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.840 first place. Why did people move to Australia in the 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.320 first place because they thought it was better than the 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.040 country they came from. And what has always staggered me 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.200 is that people move to another country because they think 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.000 it's a better place than the one they've come from, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.880 and then set about trying to make it like the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.240 country they've come from. Well, if you want to live 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.200 in the country you came from, go back to the country. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:48.440 You came from. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.960 That's where you were. Why do you seek to turn 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:52.600 other countries into. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:53.480 What you left? 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.120 And if we don't have the culture and the various 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.240 things that have made Australia and Britain and what a 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.000 great you don't have Australia in Britain anymore. I mean, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.280 if you're talking about twenty twenty five percent of the 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.200 population being Muslim at that point, you'll be heading towards 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.160 probably nearly majority Muslim in terms of the people who 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.440 are religious in the country right, which is an insane 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.120 position to be in because once you have that massive people, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.080 you can have serious legislative sway and then you can 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.199 start dictating or particular parties that will form around this. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.040 We'll start dictating that, you know, Sharia law should be 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.560 instituted in places. We already have dozens and dozens of 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.520 quasi Sharia courts that exist across the UK, Sharia councils 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.160 I think they call them over there, which are dolling out, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.400 you know, a jurisdiction over Sharia law in the UK, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.320 not legally, but people respect these people and so they 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.600 take their word for it. This sort of stuff will 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.720 become law if you're not careful. That's what we're fighting 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.200 for here. It's not about we don't like the color 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.439 of someone's skin or whatever. It's fundamentally the basis of 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.840 a country and why exists. And if you throw that away, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:10.919 what's the point of the country exists. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.600 Well, the point you make is very good, and the 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.200 astonishing thing to me is that this is news today. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.359 But back in nineteen sixty eight, conservative politician in Not Powell, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.720 he was ridiculed as a racist for saying exactly what 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.120 the researchers of this study have said, today have. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:31.359 Listened those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:39.159 make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:45.720 nation to be permitted the annual inflow of some fifty 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.639 thousand dependents, who are, for the most part, the material 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.399 of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:03.080 is like watching a nation engaged in heaping up its 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.040 own funeral. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.240 Pile Enoppower was sacked from Shadow Cabinet the day after 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.480 he made that speech because it was claimed he was 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.720 racist for raising these very real and obvious concerns. What 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.400 strikes me as amazing about this is a problem once 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.400 thought too small to worry about, is now a problem 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.439 so large that to deal with it you'd have to 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.119 almost turn into a monster that we have typically derided 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:28.080 and not wanted to be. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.760 You see what's happening in the US. You see we'll 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:31.480 talk in a minute. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.239 I guess about other parts of Europe. To deal with 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.680 this now is going to require very strong action. I'm 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.399 not sure the West have got the stomach for it. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.440 Yeah, And in the case of the UK, they're obviously 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.240