WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 29 October 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.000 From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray live. Albow's 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.400 in a world of pain. It's all of his own making. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:11.960 With an addiction to the front end of the plane. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.280 No giant surprise there. There's a document I want to 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.279 show you that makes it very clear that he's on 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.360 the wrong side of the issue. But as this conversation 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.880 has been taking place and the Prime Minister's trying to 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.360 blame as always anyone but himself, a new nickname has 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.120 been born. Airbus Albow. Can take a pause to our 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.880 new one, upgrade Albow. That's the best way to describe 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.640 the bloke at the moment, the bloke who doesn't mind 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.400 not just flying on your dollar, but whether it's his dollar. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.479 He thinks an economy ticket should equal first class upgrade Albow. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.200 That in a second. But to distract from this upgrade 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.479 Elbow story that is going to get out of the 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.360 Prime Minister's control much sooner before this thing is going 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:59.000 to be over, the government today decided to distract Now. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.600 It largely worked because if you judge the impact of 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.320 news off the six pm news, most of the six 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.800 pm news was distracted by the release of a report 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.959 today that we weren't expecting today, which would make me 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.520 think it was about changing the subject. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.399 Poorly prepared, badly executed, and unnecessarily expensive. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.520 That's the finding of an inquiry into Australia's handling of 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.319 COVID nineteen. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.679 A major review into the COVID pandemic, says Australia, like 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.360 the rest of the world, was ill prepared. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:36.680 Australia's COVID nineteen response eroded public trust so deeply people 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.039 might not accept restrictions like lockdowns during any further crisis. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.080 All right, the report, well, of course it is a 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.720 snow job. It's not a proper royal commission. It was 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.000 intentionally set up by two of the three people being 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.640 pro much of the system that was put in place. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.000 The entire point and reason of this was one last 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.080 shot in the locker of blame Morrison. Blame Morrison. Now 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:01.360 there's a couple of things in this, and I'm not 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:02.800 going to get too deep into all of it, but 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.120 I do want to have respect for people who, of 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.840 course were affected by other people getting sick, people dying, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.320 or the millions of us who had to go through 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.960 hell for a couple of years there. Well, they got 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.600 the headlines that they wanted out of it, which was 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.320 that inquiry founds the stroll out ie the slow rollout 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:24.320 of the vaccine cost lives. It also suggested that a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.880 significant amount of money had been well in their view, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.440 wasted or lost through all of this. But I want 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.160 to deal with a couple of things here and put 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.360 them back into context. Now we're supposed to believe that 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.560 the nature of the vaccine rollout ended up costing lives 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:46.280 and therefore blame the government. Well, of course, since twenty 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.640 twenty one, the extreme majority of Australians are vaccinated. But 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.600 have a look at the actual number of deaths that 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.359 have taken place during the height of the pandemic and 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.000 what I credited as deaths from or with COVID nine 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:05.280 nineteen in someone's system when the vaccine didn't exist three 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:10.800 hundred and ninety sixty four, twenty one thousand, almost twenty 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.200 two thousand since Now, this does not mean in any way, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.200 shape or form that I am commenting on the vaccine. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.239 What I am commenting on is if the headline is 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:24.120 the federal government response led to deaths twenty three hundred, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.320 well what do we say about now? A couple of 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.359 years on from that process, when we have now got 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.040 so used to so many people dying with or from 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.960 that it doesn't matter anymore. And by that I mean 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.400 no cause for lockdown all the rest of it. Twenty 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.880 one almost twenty two thousand people that have died in 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:47.920 the years when the vaccine has been in existence. The 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.480 Treasurer also today tried to do his bid to pretend 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.400 that the COVID pandemic and the overspending by the Morrison 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.720 government and Josh Friedenberg was the reason why inflation went 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.760 nuts in the country. Is the hole that it's in 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:01.520 right now. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.040 Big decisions were taken and big mistakes were made. Those 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.320 mistakes were costly and they were inflationary. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.800 Well, guess what we've got the tape from the time 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.120 when he was the Shadow Treasurer where not only did 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.320 he agree with every dollar that had been spent, but 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:27.840 also demanded some eighty billion dollars more be spent. Remember 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.960 he even suggested that the Australian taxpayer should bail out 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.640 or straight up by Virgin Airlines. That when Job Keeper 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.560 officially ended and they voted the Labour Party by the 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.000 way for it officially end, that they believed that it 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.760 should have gone longer, and while it was in existence, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.680 it should have been available to more people and been 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.400 worth more money. So forgive me if I just laugh 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.760 in the face of the Treasurer today pretending that the 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.440 big mistakes weren't ones that he wanted to be bigger? 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:03.000 Should the scolt Morrison admits stration have rescued Virgin Australia, 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.279 thereby protecting Australian jobs. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.120 Well, in short, yes, as it stands, if you've got 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.400 a couple of hundred thousand dollars lying around for a 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.200 home renovation, you'll be sweet. But if you're a Donata 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.440 worker or a Virgin Australia worker, then Scott Morrison will 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.480 leave you out and leave you behind. If the Treasurer 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.039 was doing everything he can to prevent job losses, he 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.000 wouldn't be ignoring the plight of something like fifteen thousand 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.120 workers at Virgin Airlines. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.839 I mean, seriously, this is them desperately trying to change 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:39.080 the story from the story that is going to cause 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.400 massive problems for the Prime Minister, that being the upgrade 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.839 elbow story. Okay, so thanks for the report. Should have 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.440 been a Royal commission. Of course, it didn't really deal 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.640 with lockdowns. Apart from the idea that people don't like them. Oh, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.400 I could tell you that there was very little in 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.000 the report that the absolute default position under all circumstances, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.000 at all times should be that kids go to school. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.919 Nothing in and around that. And of course the reason 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.159 why I believe that the victims of COVID nineteen deserve 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.960 to be represented at a proper royal commission. As best 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.120 as I could see, no reference whatsoever to the people 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.880 who died alone, stories that we told you at the time, 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.279 stories that we have told you every year since, these 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:30.039 stories over and over and over again. And as always 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:31.600 a shout out to my mate Mark Jessep, who of 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.719 course was brave enough to talk about the situation involving 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.480 his father and his father and many others being put 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.120 into a position or incredible loneliness was a significant part 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.560 of their final days on this planet. Unforgivable stuff. But 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.680 all of that the distraction from the big one today, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.720 upgrade elbow. This bloke is in a world of trouble. Okay, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.560 Now we're going to see whether he's going to try 0:06:58.560 --> 0:06:59.960 to find a way out of it. But I think 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.640 think that his attempts thus far are only digging him deeper. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.599 You know the story. But for those that are half 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.960 paying attention, the story is pretty clear. Here is that 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.040 he was too close to the former CEO of Cornus, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.760 Alan Joyce, that he was buying personal tickets to go 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.200 on personal flights when at times he was the transport 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:26.360 minister of the country. Yet he was being upgraded now 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.080 upgraded by the way to business and potentially even first 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.240 class in some situations. All right, now, you and I 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.120 wouldn't get that opportunity of pay economy, fly business, the 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.600 idea that Albanize he got it because at the time 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.640 he was the transport minister. Well as other people have said, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.360 it's like a finance minister asking a financial institution for 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.760 fifty thousand dollars because remember, by giving the seat away, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.160 that is money that the company has chosen not to 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:58.200 make a decision that very obviously hyper profit focused companies 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:03.440 like Quantas do not make. Lightly amazingly, labor party people 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.520 were sent out there today to try to tell us 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.000 the Jedi mind trick. Nothing to see here. In fact, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.000 Elbow's the victim. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:10.720 Yeah. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.200 I think this has been a complete pylon on the 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.960 Prime minister. I mean it's been he's publicly declared very 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.920 very clearly what he has been gifted, as has other MPs, 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.360 and I think the pylon from the Coalition really shows that. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.200 I think that's something too. If you are in a glasshouse, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.679 don't throw stones. We've seen many other MPs declare upgrades, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:41.240 and rightly so they need to declare them. But Peter 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.480 Dunn's taken up grades. Bridget McKenzie's taken upgrades. You know 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.480 this is needs to be declared on the public bridge. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.640 No no, no, no, no, no, no no, don't let them 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.760 spin out of this one. Just remember, and I'm going 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.480 to say this one hundred times so it gets into 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.800 every single person right in the back row as well. Okay, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.040 this story isn't necessarily about upgrades. It's definitely about upgrades 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:08.560 for somebody who is the minister responsible for the area 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.240 of government that quantus deals with, that being the Transport Minister. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.640 And it's not about the ones that he may well 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.560 have been automatically given. It is about whether he asked 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.960 for them or not. The Prime Minister did his best 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.640 today to try to push this thing away. He's only 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:24.280 made it worse. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.880 The person who is trying to sell a book, and 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.480 fair enough, I don't see decorations. He's a former Liberal 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.080 Party staffer for a number of senior members of the 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.720 Liberal Party, including Joe Hockey and Bruce Baird. I don't 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.120 see decorations. He as a former Quanas employee. I don't 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.280 see decorations. In June, just a few months ago, he 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.920 was a guest him and John Howard, a Liberal Party 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.839 fundraiser in the electorate of Wentworth. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.920 Okay, let's be serious. We all know that the book 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.400 is about quantus. Part of the Counts story is how 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.079 it was able to use soft power, which is a 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.720 very polite way of saying access to a lounge where 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.679 members of the public are not allowed in, or upgrades 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.960 that mean you fly a little better than you were 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.000 willing to pay, including for members of your family, and 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.480 how that has seen that the people who are supposed 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.560 to be keeping an eye on this company have in 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.320 some ways been either doing its beating or looking the 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.440 other way when very obviously there were issues in this 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.760 company that we have all heard about, dealt with, and 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.760 anyone who's phone recently live with. So let's get back 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.040 to the heart of all of this, right, and by 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.480 the way, if anyone thinks of the author is some 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.079 sort of Peter Dutton acolyte. Read anything he's ever read written, right, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.400 this bloke is not going to be pro dutt't But 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.560 anyway it's clearly also not pro us, definitely not pro me. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.959 Now that said, an extract of his book was available 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.640 in the Channel nine newspapers over the weekend. He works 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.320 for the Financial Review. They got part of it. The 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.560 Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and the Brisbane Times got 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.800 the better bit. Now let's be very clear what is 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.440 this story about. The Prime Minister wants to make it 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.720 seem like, well, I declared everything and everything's the same. Remember, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.640 if you are a minister and you ask for a favor, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.760 which in this case is thousands of dollars worth of upgrades, 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.080 it's as red hot as it gets. Three extracts from 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.200 the book. In July two thousand and nine, when he 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.079 Albanezi was the Transport Minister in the rud government but 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.600 traveling in a private capacity, he received an upgrade to 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.520 business class from Corners from Sydney to Los Angeles return flights. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.560 One April twenty ten, he and his son received a 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.480 ticket upgrade from Sydney to Rome on return flights via 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.560 the corners partner Emirates. No classes of travel was specified, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.200 making it impossible to know the precise monetary value of 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.360 this gift. But it wouldn't have been sorry, but it 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.360 would have been in the vicinity of ten thousand dollars. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.760 Now again, imagine the Finance Services minister ends up getting 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.840 a gift of ten thousand dollars from a bank. What 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.480 would people think again? July two thousand and eleven, third trip, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:20.480 Still Transport Minister Albanizi accepted upgrades from Emirates, traveling unofficially 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.959 to and from Europe three flights, not as the minister 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:30.079 but as the citizen. Yet he gets tens of thousands 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.640 of dollars worth of gifts from Quantus. Doesn't matter if 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.920 they are declared or not. It's about whether they were 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.160 requested on a personal trip to Hawaii. Here we go. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.640 We now are in our fourth trip. De seven, twenty nine, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.960 twenty twelve, he was upgraded to business class by Quotas 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.960 from Honolulu to Sydney and again March twenty thirteen. We're 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.080 now at five trips. Albanzi traveled with Joyce as Quantas 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.640 as an inaugural flight to Dubai as part of its 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.440 partnership with Emirates. Cave in earnest Prime Minister tries to 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.000 pretend that that last flight doesn't count because well, he 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.120 was just along for the ride, as was the media. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.240 Here's where it gets interesting. All of my colleagues have 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.200 made reference to this tonight. I want to actually show 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.840 you the text. There is a thing called the Ministerial 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:20.200 Code of Ethics. These are put simply the rules under 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:26.120 which many question time scandals are prosecuted, and put simply, 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.679 if you are on the wrong side of these things, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.800 then you end up in a world of trouble. Things 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.360 like the conduct for ministers or their Code of Ethics 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.760 is things that Anthony Abernezi, as Opposition leader, was more 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.600 than happy to use as the folkroom to get rid 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.840 of what he believed to be examples of the Liberal 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.960 Party breaking the rules. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.559 An ad man with no plan, a showman covering up 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:59.480 a scam, shouty, belligerent, stubborns He believes different standards should 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.800 apply to him don't apply to other Australians. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.880 But he is becoming tarnished by his. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.240 Own hubris, his own arrogance. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.439 Writ large this week for all to see. Now, every 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.840 Prime minister has the opportunity to rewrite, amend or start 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.000 over when it comes to their own Code of Conduct 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.160 for Ministers. The text that I am about to read 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:29.280 you is the Code of Conduct for Ministers that Anthony 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.680 Abernezi put in place himself upon becoming Prime Minister in 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.640 twenty twenty two. It has not changed since it is 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.280 available tonight on the Prime Minister and Cabinets website. The 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.640 section that we're going to talk about here, and apparently 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.840 it is no different than previous governments, certainly the Rudd 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.600 and Gillard governments of which he was the Transport Minister 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.080 and was asking or still getting the tens of thousands 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.880 of dollars worth of gifts out of Quantus, the single 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.840 biggest company in the area that as Transport Minister he 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.440 was regulating. All right, we'll start here with the overall 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.960 section which deals with gifts. Don't worry. You don't have 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.880 to squint or squint for you Section three point one 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.240 point eight. Ministers in their official capacity may therefore accept 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.920 customary official gifts, hospitality, tokens of appreciation and similar formal 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:35.520 gestures in accordance with the relevant guidelines, but must not seek, repeat, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:41.200 but must not seek or encourage any form of gift 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.720 in their personal capacity. Of the five flights that we 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.080 have talked about when he was the Transport Minister, when 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.760 he was flying personally with his family on holidays overseas, 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:02.440 did he get them or did he ask for them? Definitely, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.120 if he asked for them, he's in breach. That would 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.640 mean that a Prime Minister of the day should have 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:15.560 sacked him for doing so. The second section also very 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:18.240 clear to me that he is on the wrong side 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.080 of this and he is not going to be able 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.600 to find a way out of it, and it will 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.360 be the focus of the rest of this week and 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:31.360 Parliament next week. Section three point two one Ministers must 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:38.240 not seek or accept any kind of benefit or other 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:43.520 valuable consideration, either for themselves or for others, in connection 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.520 with performing or not performing any element of their ministerial duties. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.240 So if he asked quantus, he's in breach of the 0:16:55.280 --> 0:17:02.200 first section. If he received even with out asking, he's 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.919 in breach of the second. This would result in the 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.640 termination of a ministry. Now the Prime Minister is trying 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.080 to kick up as much dust as possible to make 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.320 the conversation about did he or did he not text 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:22.040 or call or meet Alan Joyce. That's not the point. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.119 He could have asked the cleaner. He could have asked 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.760 his cleaner to ask a quantus cleaner on his behalf. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.600 But if he approached anyone anywhere in quantas, he's in 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:42.720 breach by receiving those gifts. Even if not asked, he 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:47.480 is in breach. He as Opposition leader, would demand the 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.720 sacking of the relevant minister. He himself should have been 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.479 sacked by previous prime ministers. This document is from his 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.360 own website and this is the standard under which presumably 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:06.560 he sack his own Transport minister. As for the Prime Minister, 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.800 pay very close attention to how he answers a very 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.400 direct question, because while he's already in trouble for the accepting, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.960 he's trying to get into the gray area about who 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.800 was asked, not the company being asked. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.920 Did you call Alan Joyce personally for these upgrades? 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:36.679 Look, the idea quanas have a number in terms of 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:45.119 bookings that are private bookings and in terms of the 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:51.000 only discussions that I can recall with Alan Joyce. Certainly 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.760 we discussed not through calls. We discussed the first flight 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:01.240 from Australia to Dubai on an A three eighty. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.119 Okkk. See he wants this to be about. Did I 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.600 call Alan Joyce? Did I text Alan Joyce? No? No, no, no, 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.879 no no. The second of the examples that he was 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.520 in breach of five times. According to the book reads, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:23.560 ministers must not seek or accept okay, So if he 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.040 asked for it, he's in a world of trouble. If 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.600 he took it, which we know he did, he's in 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.359 a world of trouble. Now he might want to play 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.040 word games here. It's a simple thing. Was there an 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.160 upgrade or not? Five have been proven. Did he ask 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.720 for it or not? Well, that decides whether he breaks 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.439 one rule or whether he breaks two rules. Rules that 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:48.159 would get any other minister sacked that every opposition, labor 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:52.720 or liberal would go after. Again, if this is tens 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.719 of thousands of dollars worth of benefit, imagine it was 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.480 the Financial Services Minister asking a bank for something that 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:07.160 resulted in tens of thousands of dollars changing hands. Yes, 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:12.840 it is that serious. Now the Prime Minister will ultimately 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.040 believe that he can survive all of this, because of 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.159 course it is the Prime Minister who decides whether there 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.399 has been a breach of the code of conduct. The 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.480 Prime Minister, if he lets himself off the hook, will 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:29.359 have openly chosen not to apply the same standard to 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.639 himself that another prime minister would be expected to apply 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:39.239 to all other ministers. Petter Dutton can smell that this 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.760 one is not ending, despite the fact that the Prime 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.560 Minister is blaming all in sundry and surprise, surprise, is 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.520 not taking responsibility for himself. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.639 Australians now are starting to question the integrity and the 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.360 truthfulness of their prime minister. They know that they can't 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.040 get the economy right and now they're seeing a prime 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.000 minister who can't lie straight in bed. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.360 I'm telling you upgrade, albow ain't going away. The hope 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.080 might be that we're going to start talking about the 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:06.840 Melbourne Cup, and the hope might be that we're going 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.199 to start getting distracted by the United States. There are 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.280 a couple of stages this thing goes, and I think 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.280 it's going to be a slow Burn Parliament next week. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.040 First question, Prime Minister, yes or no? Do you believe 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.120 that a minister should abide by the Minister's Code of conduct? Yes? 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:24.439 Or no. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.720 Second question, do you believe that a minister, if proven 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.280 to be in breach should lose their job? Yes or no? 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.800 Those two questions well pretty obvious what the yes is. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.240 The no becomes evasive, It becomes obviously trying to set 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.000 up a double standard. And we know that this bloke 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:46.760 may have said that he was from somewhere else, but 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.120 where he is right now, it's a bloody good view 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.240 and a very comfortable seat and some free champagne on 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:56.560 the way. Pete van Onsalin, writing tonight in the Daily Mail, 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.520 says the Prime Minister is in a scenario now where 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:06.560 he should sack himself. Yes, this story is that significant? 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.720 Right quickly does some other stuff? Got a great debate 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.480 coming up in a moment of twos time, look for 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.239 to Joe Hildebrand trying to explain how all of this 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.520 doesn't matter again black and white in my view, five 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.080 breaches of two sections of the ministerial we'll get to 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.320 that no moment of two's time. Also. Nigel Ferraj on 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.320 the Show This Morning tonight, Stephen Miles is adjusting to 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.280 his new life as the incoming opposition leader, and it's 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:32.879 very different than any experience he's ever had. In fact, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.800 all current members of the Labor Party have never been 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.520 in opposition, so they are very used to a very 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.360 comfortable life. People like his chief of staff, who's seen 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.680 on Saturday night was celebrating the LMP potentially not making 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.680 it into majority. Well now they are well and truly 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.359 a majority, so she will be working with a much 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.080 smaller team this time around. In fact, let's go back 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.960 to just under the Labor Party's watch, how many people 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.240 will work for each and every minister personally in their 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.919 personal office. These numbers pretty extraordinary. About some of the 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:15.040 blowout that took place under the Miles government. The Premier 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:22.840 thirty seven personal staff, the Minister for Resources ten. Overall 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.280 two hundred and sixty four personal staff for all of 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.800 the different ministers. Again, don't worry about squinting bottom of 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.200 the page, two hundred and sixty four. That is how 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.919 many they had as personal staff. Now, these were the 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.360 people who were largely paid by the taxpayer. And we 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.320 know when it comes to the premiere the very very 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:50.359 thin line between party activity and political activity was essentially 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.200 rubbed out over much of the past ten years. Well, 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.679 here's a bit of a shock for these people that 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.080 have never been in opposition. Because many of the ex 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.640 ministers face a pay up to two hundred thousand dollars, 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.000 the two hundred and ninety four staff is about to 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:11.000 become twenty three, not just for the leader, that's twenty 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.520 three for the entire opposition. Well that one hundred labor 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.240 staffers who work across eighteen ministerial portfolios will face the acts, 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.159 including personal drivers, media managers and policy writers. All surviving ministers, 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.600 including the opposition leader and his deputy, will be left 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:30.480 with a twenty three employees combined. That is why it 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.440 is so hard to take on the Queensland Labor government. 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:39.159 That is why the achievement of the LNP being able 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:43.359 to with just twenty three staff slay the dragon and 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.400