Speaker 1: Hi, my boris, and this is straight talk.
Speaker 2: We did stupid shit together, you know, it was riot stabbings.
Speaker 2: It was rough at one stage, but we'ld congregate down
Speaker 2: the beach together, surf together, train together. There was that
Speaker 2: brotherhood and yeah, just have each other's backs.
Speaker 1: John Agaan World straight talk mate.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me Mark Taj Borrow, who you trained
Speaker 2: as age. Yeah, we traveled around the world for seven years.
Speaker 2: I was his full time trainer.
Speaker 1: We've touched on birth work, meditation, types of exercise, sleep, nutrition,
Speaker 1: and hydration. That all gets put together. That's quite a
Speaker 1: big package for people to digest, especially they're new to this.
Speaker 2: Don't chase perfection because you're not going to get perfection
Speaker 2: out of all those things. Just be good, that's it.
Speaker 2: With exercise nutrition, we're looking for longevity. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: what I try and teach.
Speaker 1: John again, World straight talk mate.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Mark a long way out of town like you normally
Speaker 1: Northern rivers dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, I now reside up at Tweetheads, just on
Speaker 2: the Tweed River there, so it's beautiful, good place to
Speaker 2: bring the kids up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really happy missus yep, so happily married.
Speaker 2: Not married, but We've got three yeah, yeah, three healthy,
Speaker 2: happy kids.
Speaker 1: How old are kids?
Speaker 2: I got a four year old daughter Buffy, seven year
Speaker 2: old daughter Joey, and a nine year old son named Grayson.
Speaker 1: You name your daughter after Robbos, missus.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not. No, there's not too many Buffies around before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's Robbos Williams.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So why move up to the Northern Rivers? Like,
Speaker 1: what was and when did that happen?
Speaker 2: I was five years ago. I was living in Ruba
Speaker 2: in a two bedroom units south of Maruba, and I
Speaker 2: loved it and we just were seen and how are
Speaker 2: we going to afford a house because we've got another
Speaker 2: baby coming, and just looked at the Northern Rivers. Actually
Speaker 2: we're thinking about Byron around that area, and we just
Speaker 2: rented a joint up around Northern Rivers and saw a
Speaker 2: house we really liked and just jumped on it. It
Speaker 2: was in the middle of COVID, so it was it
Speaker 2: all worked out really well for some reason. It all
Speaker 2: happened and happened quick and yeah, stoke with the move.
Speaker 1: So we might just give some context of that because
Speaker 1: you're living in the Northern Rivers, but you're a Ruber
Speaker 1: boy Yep, more than a Ruber boy.
Speaker 2: You are Marubra.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're one of the original boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up, grew up in Ruba and when
Speaker 2: the boys sort of first sort of the Bra Boys
Speaker 2: have been for around for a long period of time,
Speaker 2: but they as we sort of our generation went through
Speaker 2: the beach then we've really formed the Bra Boys.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a beach web before it was.
Speaker 2: Yep, definitely who was all surfers and everything, but they
Speaker 2: weren't as tight. They were as tight as we were.
Speaker 2: Was organized or was organized? Yeah, probably not as organized.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, as we grow up, it sort of
Speaker 2: just evolved into the Bra Boys and we all got
Speaker 2: the tatters and got in a bit of trouble here
Speaker 2: and there.
Speaker 1: But what was the saying was my brother's keeper or
Speaker 1: something like that? As I recall, I mean, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of documentaries on this, and you know, of course,
Speaker 1: lots of discussions about a couple of the dudes in
Speaker 1: the in the group, I won't say gang, but the group,
Speaker 1: and some got themselves into trouble and there was some few,
Speaker 1: let's call it. There's at least one fatality I know of,
Speaker 1: and lots of speculation around it. Was there a was
Speaker 1: it like a was it more as like a it
Speaker 1: sounds a bit soft, but a social club or was
Speaker 1: it actually was there for a purpose?
Speaker 2: It was a bit of everything. It was a gang
Speaker 2: at some stage, like we were a gang. We we
Speaker 2: did stupid shit together where you know, it was riots, stabbings, murders.
Speaker 2: It was rough at one stage. But then so yeah,
Speaker 2: you could like we've always denied it, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: would have been a gang when you look back on it.
Speaker 2: Then there was that brotherhood where we where we looked
Speaker 2: out for each other because there's a lot of kids
Speaker 2: that come from broken families. I didn't had a pretty
Speaker 2: good family upbringing, but a lot of the blue used
Speaker 2: to come from broken up bringing up broken families around
Speaker 2: around the back of Rubra, around Lexington Place, which was
Speaker 2: rough mate back in the day.
Speaker 1: It was four hous Yeah, yeah, four houso it still is.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so we just would congregate down the beach together,
Speaker 2: surf together, train together, and that's that's what sort of
Speaker 2: brought us together. The surf and the training and some
Speaker 2: of some broken families and yeah, I just have each
Speaker 2: other's backs and for as long as we possibly could
Speaker 2: and then yes, we sort of all fell apart at
Speaker 2: some stage and now we're back together again.
Speaker 1: What period are we talking about now, which will be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, through nineties, nineties, nineties, early two thousands. Yeah, through that,
Speaker 2: through that period.
Speaker 1: Because I had a lot of people these sort of
Speaker 1: semi terrified you know, like the B Boys have turned
Speaker 1: up to a venue or something happened and the B
Speaker 1: Boys would turn up to the venue because in response
Speaker 1: to that, and you know, I got being your niece
Speaker 1: of Suburbs gang. It's not that scary because he expects
Speaker 1: them to sort of come out from out west somewhere.
Speaker 1: But you guys, I see stories about some of the
Speaker 1: you guys training and things like jiu jitsu when jiujits
Speaker 1: wasn't even heard of. I mean it was, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing training actually how to fight, how to scrap.
Speaker 1: Then I see some stories where you turn up at
Speaker 1: events or a bar or a nightclub or something of
Speaker 1: that and just take control. And the coppers even have
Speaker 1: told me stories about once there was a massive conflict
Speaker 1: between the BRA Boys and the cops in a bar.
Speaker 1: Did you see much of that stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I saw it all. So some funny only enough. Two
Speaker 2: Brazilians moved to Rubra probably twenty five years ago and
Speaker 2: they were both jiu jitsu. One was a ju black belt,
Speaker 2: Bruno Paro and Alex Prattz who's now one of Rob
Speaker 2: Whittaker's main jiu jitsu coaches. They moved to Rubra just
Speaker 2: by coincidence and they both knew jiujitsu really well, so
Speaker 2: they bought jiu jitsu to Rubra twenty five years ago
Speaker 2: and we all started then, but the jiu jitsu wasn't
Speaker 2: even really talked about back then. We saw it on
Speaker 2: sort of the early days of UFC, those before even.
Speaker 1: USC started, the early MMA days, early MMA.
Speaker 2: Days, like way back when it was cage and no
Speaker 2: rules and the grace graces had coming in their gees
Speaker 2: and that's dominating. That's all we knew about it. So
Speaker 2: we were like, we're so interested in it and like
Speaker 2: learning and learning a different martial art because we all
Speaker 2: did a lot of boxing as well. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where it all eventuated from, and then it just
Speaker 2: grew from there. Yeah. We used to like talking about
Speaker 2: the police fight that was one of my mates twenty
Speaker 2: first that was Yeah, that was a shocker, like for
Speaker 2: both Yeah, Like looking back on it now, like it
Speaker 2: was just an all in brawl and it was a
Speaker 2: lot of frustration and anger that come out because the
Speaker 2: cops were on one level and then the boys were
Speaker 2: on another level. That was a for Christmas party police
Speaker 2: Christmas party. Boys were on another level, and it just
Speaker 2: turned into this massive all in brawl.
Speaker 1: It was always going to happen. There was always going
Speaker 1: to happen if they were there holding their function, there
Speaker 1: holding your functions. It was always going to happen.
Speaker 2: It's always going to happen. It was just a bit
Speaker 2: of a shocker. Whoever booked both both parties on the
Speaker 2: same night.
Speaker 1: Why did you? Why do I mean you didn't come
Speaker 1: from a bad you know, upbringing, I mean you lived
Speaker 1: in rub but why did you join up?
Speaker 2: It was just because I surf there and was a
Speaker 2: local down the beach and we sort of there was
Speaker 2: this side of it where we wanted to make the
Speaker 2: beach safe because the beach was a dangerous place. And
Speaker 2: there was a side of it where we wanted to
Speaker 2: make the beach safe for our mums and grandmothers and
Speaker 2: every sisters. And there was everything that was rapes, there
Speaker 2: was there was like women. You know, it wasn't a
Speaker 2: safe place for women and kids to walk around. At
Speaker 2: some stages. There's a lot of drugs, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of alcoholism. So the idea of that was to make
Speaker 2: the play safe. And then it did start to like
Speaker 2: it went one way so far that it turned into
Speaker 2: something was way more than just making the play safe.
Speaker 2: It turned into more of a gang. To be honest,
Speaker 2: that's how it's sort of that's where it comes.
Speaker 1: From and what killed it off sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Mate. The main thing was prescription drugs, I would say
Speaker 2: again to be honest, valum of that, valiums and x
Speaker 2: oxy cotton. Those two the big ones. They were that
Speaker 2: when they because back in the day, people didn't realize
Speaker 2: how dangerous they were because I come from over the counter,
Speaker 2: so you think, oh, yeah, it's from the camas, it
Speaker 2: can't be that bad. And then it just hit like
Speaker 2: it was rampant and you didn't even need a prescription.
Speaker 2: You could go get it off the street for you know,
Speaker 2: hardly anything. It was cheaper than all the other drugs
Speaker 2: and alcohol to cheaper than alcohol, cheaper than cocaine, and
Speaker 2: it tore the boys apart like that. Again, that's to
Speaker 2: be honest, it was a downfall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and today, do you still have a new contact
Speaker 1: with the guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I'm going to go down the Bay Pub
Speaker 2: after this and have a couple of beers with the
Speaker 2: boys and yeah, and they're all dads now, they're all
Speaker 2: That scene's finished. Yeah, Like it's so good to see,
Speaker 2: like everyone's got young kids. Was a beautiful place to
Speaker 2: bring your family up now, yeah, like it's safe and
Speaker 2: it's it's fucking expensive. Yeah, so mate, it's honestly, like
Speaker 2: it's probably one of the that's one of the best
Speaker 2: things to come out of it. It went full circle.
Speaker 2: Everyone learned their lesson and yeah, the dad's or you know,
Speaker 2: got families, family men and growing up a bit grown up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you crap out of that ship. Yeah you don't need it.
Speaker 1: You don't need that, and the ship off your liver,
Speaker 1: Like it's the world's not to blame. Yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 1: we've got to take some responsibility, I guess. And I'm
Speaker 1: not here preaching to people like I'm the last person
Speaker 1: to do it, but yeah, but I guess when you're young,
Speaker 1: it's easy to sort of blame everybody else and then
Speaker 1: take take things in your own head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like no one put those pills down anyone's throat
Speaker 2: but the boys yourselves. So you can't make excuses, but
Speaker 2: it was a life lesson and just let that know
Speaker 2: for the younger generations that those drugs aren't safe.
Speaker 1: As long as I've ever known you, and I met
Speaker 1: you through GINGE originally, and David would have been David's
Speaker 1: sixty soon and I'm first meet him when he was
Speaker 1: thirty yep, maybe even a bit younger than that. You've
Speaker 1: always been in the fitness because you know, he's always
Speaker 1: been talking about you know, Johnny's doing this. I'm a
Speaker 1: one period there. You know you were just telling me
Speaker 1: that you would used to talk about putting your feet
Speaker 1: on the grass. Yeah, and you're always looking at different things.
Speaker 1: Where where's that sort of curiosity about I'm not going
Speaker 1: to talk about training, there's just general health.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try and keep an open mind on the
Speaker 2: whole everything that comes through the industry, Like have a
Speaker 2: crack at it and see what works before I sort
Speaker 2: of start using it on clients or or giving advice
Speaker 2: on it, that's for sure. So I give it a
Speaker 2: crack myself. And yeah, just the whole earthing thing and
Speaker 2: anything else, like especially for recovery. I'm being on recovery
Speaker 2: and destressing.
Speaker 1: Because what do I mean distressing.
Speaker 2: Well, I just noticed that if you're in a stress state,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to lose body fat, and it's really
Speaker 2: hard to put on the muscle mass because you're stressed
Speaker 2: and training and everything's another stress on the body. So
Speaker 2: I always look at ways to recover. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: at like obviously the basic ones that's breath work, hot
Speaker 2: like hot cold immersions, and then yeah, earthing, and and
Speaker 2: now I'm big on just even just lying back on
Speaker 2: your back and just doing five or ten minutes of
Speaker 2: meditation a day.
Speaker 1: Is John Gannon talking meditation a day? But a but
Speaker 1: it's a fair evolution if I just go way way
Speaker 1: back though, let me just creep back into this, this
Speaker 1: whole process, because you just covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 1: Then you've always you said to me, you would be
Speaker 1: fair to say that you keep up to date with
Speaker 1: all the latest developments through some sort of structure in
Speaker 1: terms of your own life and research, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you what are you accessing before Google? Before
Speaker 1: what we're talking about now? What were accessing? Say, twenty
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, Well, I went over and study with
Speaker 2: these guys from the States who taught foundation training, and
Speaker 2: it's what is that it's a postural sort of awareness
Speaker 2: movement patterns where you can do it no equipment. All
Speaker 2: you're doing is really engaging in the back of your body.
Speaker 2: Because these guys are doing it now, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: sit up straight, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a conscious it's.
Speaker 2: Conscious consciously sitting up and making sure because if we
Speaker 2: sit so you so you imagine you're sitting there looking
Speaker 2: at your device, You're hunched over, your shoulders round forward,
Speaker 2: your head migrates forward, and you try and take a
Speaker 2: big breath in that position. It doesn't happen because your
Speaker 2: sternum's pushed down into your diaphragm. Ribcage doesn't expand properly.
Speaker 2: But as soon as you sit straight, shoulders back, take
Speaker 2: a big breath in, you'll access your diaphragm and that
Speaker 2: nice expansion of the rib cage. So I'm into I'm
Speaker 2: really into teaching people that side of wellness, like not
Speaker 2: just strength and conditioning and in the gym and bashing
Speaker 2: yourself up. I'm looking at like the simpler ways to
Speaker 2: for the other twenty three hours the day you're out
Speaker 2: of the gym. How to teach people how to sit, stand, move, breathe.
Speaker 2: I'm right into that side of it.
Speaker 1: Well, why is it important, then, Johnny, for example, to
Speaker 1: be able to be able to breathe properly from your
Speaker 1: belly expanding your diaphram What what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Why is anyway?
Speaker 2: Well, if you are in that hunched over a position
Speaker 2: and you're taking those little shallow chest breaths, your body
Speaker 2: recognizes that as a stressed out state. Your heart rate
Speaker 2: lifts up a little and you're you're not breathed, you're
Speaker 2: not relaxed, you're in that sort of sympathetic state. When
Speaker 2: you sit up straight and you access diaphragm and breathe
Speaker 2: it correctly, you go into more of that parasympathetic state
Speaker 2: and your heart rate all lower, so you're a bit
Speaker 2: you're relaxed. You're in a bit more of a relaxed state,
Speaker 2: and that's when you recover because you're in that parasympathetic state.
Speaker 2: That's the rest digest state that we're looking for. And
Speaker 2: especially if you are stressed, like you know, there is
Speaker 2: a lot of stress around the moment. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you notice, Like obviously financial stress with interest rates,
Speaker 2: cost of living.
Speaker 1: The deal stress, what's going to well.
Speaker 2: Stress massive one, like who knows it totally, you know,
Speaker 2: And there's a fair bit of sickness in the community,
Speaker 2: like Influenza's another big stress on the body. So that's
Speaker 2: why I'm even now, I'm just noticing with clients and
Speaker 2: friends and family, just to get down and do five, ten, fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, whatever time you've got, just to get down
Speaker 2: and do a bit of breath work, lie down, guided meditation,
Speaker 2: like you've got a headspace app. We've got just easy
Speaker 2: to YouTube's twenty minutes relaxing relaxside timer. Yeah, that's all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, you just get down and just give
Speaker 2: yourself fifteen, twenty, whatever it is, what time you've got,
Speaker 2: just try and get into that parasympathetic state and just yeah, destress.
Speaker 1: So maybe I just get you to explain the difference
Speaker 1: in the sympathetic cita and the parasympathetics set. They're actually
Speaker 1: are the opposites to what you would expect. They are confused.
Speaker 1: So the sympathetic state is what it's a stressed outside.
Speaker 1: So your body is stresses, ye stout, heart.
Speaker 2: Rates, elevated levels are up. You're not. You have shallow
Speaker 2: upper respiratory breathing. You're not. You're not in that relaxed state.
Speaker 2: So what I try to do is get people down
Speaker 2: in the other way, go the other direction, because it's
Speaker 2: all right to be in that sympathetic state, but not
Speaker 2: for long periods of time, like we use it to say, competition.
Speaker 2: You know, you get into that sympathetic state, let's go,
Speaker 2: I'm reaped up, adrenaline's up, but you need you can't
Speaker 2: stay at that level for long periods of time because
Speaker 2: stress is detrimental to your health, like your heart health,
Speaker 2: your physical health, your mental health. So that's why, especially
Speaker 2: in the challenges I do, I add a de stress
Speaker 2: element to one of the foundations of the of the challenge.
Speaker 1: So now let's just talk about so I think most
Speaker 1: people want to send with the sympathetic state is or
Speaker 1: most people have experienced that's a cortisol adrenaline, sure breath, panicky,
Speaker 1: and it can be any it sets you off. Probably
Speaker 1: most people don't realize, as you just explained, that you
Speaker 1: can put your body, you can put yourself in a
Speaker 1: position that your body thinks it's in that stressful position,
Speaker 1: but just both through posture, bad posture. That's talk about
Speaker 1: then parasympathetic. Parasympathic is about recovery. And we've never really
Speaker 1: thought like most people, especially training, it's never really thought
Speaker 1: about recovery or all were thinking about is training, train, train,
Speaker 1: more training, do miss out trying to do another training session? Going,
Speaker 1: I get two in for the day we're going And
Speaker 1: that's all about stress. That's pretty stress in your body.
Speaker 1: Let's give us give me a little bit of an
Speaker 1: understanding about this recovery process from your point of view,
Speaker 1: Like what are we talking about here is let's just
Speaker 1: put let's put meditation aside, metal stuff. But what do
Speaker 1: you mean by recovery?
Speaker 2: So, like like we just spoke about, like when we're
Speaker 2: in that stressed out states, it's okay, but you need
Speaker 2: to come back down into that recovery state and it
Speaker 2: really helps with your sleep patterns. Okay, And there's there's
Speaker 2: obviously there's different ways to do that. There's hot cold
Speaker 2: immersions that are really popular at the moment. That's why
Speaker 2: all those recovery centers are so popular at the moment,
Speaker 2: which is great. It's it's a really good form of
Speaker 2: taking inflammation out of the body, which is another stress.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're inflamed, you hold onto inflammation. So
Speaker 2: that's if you can bring that down, that's massive and
Speaker 2: you just add through cold hot cold. You can do
Speaker 2: whatever protocol you want. You can do three minutes in
Speaker 2: the cold, two minutes in the hot, whatever suits you.
Speaker 2: I can't tell people that one. Some people just love
Speaker 2: doing the saunas, some people just love doing the cold,
Speaker 2: some people like doing a bit of both. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: that's a massive one.
Speaker 1: So sort of trying to manage your inflammation inflammation when
Speaker 1: we train. Yeah, it's information.
Speaker 2: Joints, dehydrated, bit inflamed, So we're looking at hydrating as well.
Speaker 1: What about hydration?
Speaker 2: Then hydration is a massive form of recovery.
Speaker 1: So what would we talk me? So, how do I
Speaker 1: know if I'm not hydrating?
Speaker 2: This is sounding like I'm a fanatical here, But I
Speaker 2: get on the scales. I get on the scales a
Speaker 2: couple of times a day because I know I sit
Speaker 2: on ninety two kilos. If I go for a surf
Speaker 2: and have a train, I'll come in back in at
Speaker 2: ninety kilos. I know I've got to drink two leaves
Speaker 2: of water to get back up. I know I haven't
Speaker 2: lost two kilos of fat or muscle. I've lost two
Speaker 2: kilos of fluid. So I'll could jump on the scales.
Speaker 2: I'm ninety kilos. I'll drink a liter of water. I'm
Speaker 2: back up to ninety one. I'll drink another and I
Speaker 2: just try and balance my hydration like that. It's not
Speaker 2: a bad way to do it. I had a bit
Speaker 2: of electrolytes in the water, a bit of potassium, magnesium,
Speaker 2: and salt. No sugar, no sugar, I don't even I
Speaker 2: just keep it salty. I don't have no flavoring at all.
Speaker 2: Some people love flavoring. I just keep it salty and minerally.
Speaker 1: And your body actually ac funally I have that's just
Speaker 1: full soul. So there too my body. I think, initially,
Speaker 1: go ah, I can't. I don't want to drink this
Speaker 1: because you set a puke. But but then your body
Speaker 1: tells you likes it. It likes to it likes the
Speaker 1: souldness goodness.
Speaker 2: You dap to it pretty quick.
Speaker 1: That's interesting what you just said about you go for
Speaker 1: a surf. I know, if like when I was just
Speaker 1: to have to cut weight. Thank god, those days have
Speaker 1: to cut weight. I know, I'd always love it when
Speaker 1: we had the if in the amateurs, you weigh in
Speaker 1: the morning. You've got to win every morning. But you
Speaker 1: weigh in the morning. And I said, like the way
Speaker 1: in the morning, because if I so, it gave a
Speaker 1: bit at nine o'clock, whatever, ten o'clock. Then I wake
Speaker 1: up the next morning at say six or seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: And let's say you go to the bathroom, do that business.
Speaker 1: Just through that nighttime. You lose a kilo, but just
Speaker 1: your bodies use it up, and you're breathing and you're sweating,
Speaker 1: and you a bit dehydrated, and you can I haven't
Speaker 1: lost any muscle or any battering, and it's just lost
Speaker 1: flouid water and and a load of water as a killer.
Speaker 1: That's the usual general rule straight back on exactly the
Speaker 1: leader water is one killer. Wait, if you've lost one
Speaker 1: killer weight after a heavy training session, it's not because
Speaker 1: you lost a killer fat. You lost a killer water.
Speaker 1: And it's not a bad rule, which means you got
Speaker 1: to replace it and to replace it with a killer
Speaker 1: with the leader of water.
Speaker 2: Because you feel like shit, you feel like you've you've
Speaker 2: run down. You feel fatigued, that's dehydrated.
Speaker 1: Use gloss of clarity in your brain because you've.
Speaker 2: Brained you get a bit of a headache. That's the
Speaker 2: first line of dehydration.
Speaker 1: Because I watched these I was watching. I've watched fighters
Speaker 1: or boxing matches all the time, and I was watching
Speaker 1: the other day. I won't say it is something well
Speaker 1: known in Australia. I've got to be disappointed with the
Speaker 1: corner because I noticed that two things. You know, after
Speaker 1: about round five or six in a pro fight with
Speaker 1: three minute rounds, your body temperature goes up to about
Speaker 1: forty forty one degrees, quite dangerous, like if you were
Speaker 1: a little kid. Every one of your kids temper is
Speaker 1: forty of yours. To the hospital and you're and you're
Speaker 1: burning a lot of fluid. And I noticed that they
Speaker 1: weren't giving putting any ice on his head to cool
Speaker 1: down his core temperature, and they weren't. He wasn't drinking
Speaker 1: much water. And I thought of himself, what happens in
Speaker 1: that situation, especial if you get hit on the chin,
Speaker 1: like what happens that situation? You start to lose clarity
Speaker 1: and you can't respond to what's in front of you,
Speaker 1: so you can't make good decisions. So if I just
Speaker 1: take that, extrapolate that out into someone who's just a
Speaker 1: normal person out there who doesn't get up in the morning,
Speaker 1: drink a looter of water as soon as you get up.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't mean immediately, but like I start
Speaker 1: drinking the water instead, they get up to drink cofee.
Speaker 1: Do I drink yourself anymore? So drink some water before
Speaker 1: you drink coffee. But that person, if they don't, This
Speaker 1: happens a lot of times, as you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't drink and water. Then they go to work,
Speaker 1: they're trying to make decisions, they've had three coffees. They
Speaker 1: wonder why they make mistakes. And that's without any training.
Speaker 1: That's ad a bit of exercise in there. They really dehydrate.
Speaker 1: So how do you get into your client's head, the
Speaker 1: ones you train, the ones you look after, how do
Speaker 1: you get into their head?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Can you change this? Because there's a lifestyle change all
Speaker 1: these people I mean like drink water. Do you put
Speaker 1: them on a program?
Speaker 2: I don't. What I do is just so you constantly
Speaker 2: have a bottle of water with you, going by a
Speaker 2: good quality water bottle, good stainless steel one carried around
Speaker 2: with no place. No plastic.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, no plastic.
Speaker 2: Plastic. Even with the BP A free plastic, I forget.
Speaker 2: I don't trust it, especially if it's in the sun
Speaker 2: and all that. By a good stainless steel water bottle,
Speaker 2: you can have it for until you lose it. I've
Speaker 2: lost a million of them.
Speaker 1: I've got as because I've got so many bottles, and
Speaker 1: everyone leaves them at the gym.
Speaker 2: I've got a collection of them because everyone runs out
Speaker 2: on a bit of a high out of the gym,
Speaker 2: they leave their water bottle. Thatt. But yeah, carry a
Speaker 2: water with it well at all times. And I find
Speaker 2: a good quality electrolyte that you like that's got the magnesium,
Speaker 2: the potassium, and the salt in it. Because you see
Speaker 2: people say at the end of a marathon when they
Speaker 2: when they when they lose their coordination and they hit
Speaker 2: the wall, it's called that all that is is lack
Speaker 2: of minerals in the body.
Speaker 1: So you sweated it out.
Speaker 2: You've sweated all the minerals out of your body. So
Speaker 2: the potassium, magnesium, and salt, if they had that, the
Speaker 2: electrical currents that go through your body. It connects your brains.
Speaker 2: The little signals that run through through your nervous system.
Speaker 2: They don't fire because they need they need those minerals
Speaker 2: as a current to fire, to conduct, to conduct, and
Speaker 2: they they've gone. It's depleted. So that's why they just
Speaker 2: turned into jellyfish. They can't stand up. That's exactly why
Speaker 2: we need to stay hydrated. And that's an extreme.
Speaker 1: There's extreme version, but it doesn't matter. It does affect people.
Speaker 1: I mean old school guys like I can remember Isaid
Speaker 1: trainers guy Gary Stemware stumbles and we would go out
Speaker 1: on Friday. This is what we do Friday. We get
Speaker 1: on the Friday. We're going to train, train to ass
Speaker 1: off after work really hard, no no, no hydration, straight
Speaker 1: to the park, drink ten beers.
Speaker 2: That's old school.
Speaker 1: And then Saturday morning, Sat Day, lunchtime around eleven o'clock,
Speaker 1: find the hottest part of the day. Anyway, backpack fill
Speaker 1: full of sand and we used to go for a run.
Speaker 1: And you wonder why you get fucking injuries like bad news,
Speaker 1: bad whatever you get, you get, you wonder why, But
Speaker 1: that was what we used to do, like back in
Speaker 1: those days, you get we were young, so you sort
Speaker 1: of get away with it, but still that old school system.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think what people like you were
Speaker 1: trying to do is you're trying to bring back some intelligence,
Speaker 1: some thought process based on science. You're not just making
Speaker 1: shit up. It's based on science.
Speaker 2: I follow, you know, I've got my people.
Speaker 1: I follow one ye who gives it gives an example, follow.
Speaker 2: Doctor Ronda Patrick. She's she's an American woman and she's
Speaker 2: clued up on she she breaks she breaks down all
Speaker 2: the science of all the later.
Speaker 1: Studies about exercise.
Speaker 2: About nutrition, exercise, movement, hydra like sleep, hydration.
Speaker 1: She's really good, doctor Ronda Patrick Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yep, she's she's cool. I just like the way she
Speaker 2: explains things like I couldn't read a scientific paper to
Speaker 2: save myself, but she breaks it down really well. Yeah. Her.
Speaker 2: And then as there's a few others I follow that
Speaker 2: I posted here up a bit. There's a few other
Speaker 2: few others I follow, but it's pretty interesting. It just
Speaker 2: interests me that side of it, and I think it's
Speaker 2: a way forward because again it comes down to recovery.
Speaker 2: The better you recover, the better you train. So that's
Speaker 2: that's the way I look at it as well. Because
Speaker 2: if you're recovering through hydro hydration through hot cold immersions,
Speaker 2: the better your next performance is when you train. The
Speaker 2: more like you're saying, cognitive connection you've got with your
Speaker 2: body when you train, Because when I'm training someone, I'm
Speaker 2: not too worried about reps and sets. I'm more thinking
Speaker 2: about how can I get this person to move better
Speaker 2: through cognitive sort of movement with intent. So I'm saying,
Speaker 2: slow down, move with intent, move like think about what
Speaker 2: you're going to do, like purposeful movement like it's all
Speaker 2: and it works so much better than just you know,
Speaker 2: when you see people at the gym and they're just
Speaker 2: just getting through the reps and sets for the sake
Speaker 2: of it, there's no thought in what they're doing at all.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, we're just saying, if you're
Speaker 1: going to exercise, have a strategy.
Speaker 2: Have strategy, and move move with purpose like you just said,
Speaker 2: and intent, and it's more cognitive. You just connect with
Speaker 2: a movement way better slow it down and then work
Speaker 2: on speeding it up.
Speaker 1: So when you because obviously about this the other day,
Speaker 1: I thought, because you know this project, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: work out how to optimize myself to get one hundre
Speaker 1: years of age. And I thought of himself, well, I really, Mark,
Speaker 1: what are you training for? What do you want to
Speaker 1: achieve with your training? Therefore that should inform you us
Speaker 1: what type of training I should do. And then I
Speaker 1: thought of himself, well, you know, when i'm let's say
Speaker 1: when i'm ninety, if I get there, but if i'm
Speaker 1: ninety'd be great. If i'm I've either got great grandsons
Speaker 1: or grandson daughters, whatever. And let's say they're two, and
Speaker 1: let's say they're weigh twelve kilos. Can I bend down
Speaker 1: and pick that kid up functionally? So I think to myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: well Mark, maybe now at my age, now you've got
Speaker 1: to start training for that day with movement and to
Speaker 1: exercise that sort of mimics that process because you don't
Speaker 1: want to be at ninety. Either you can't do it
Speaker 1: and you're frail, or.
Speaker 2: The parents don't trust you're picking up the baby because.
Speaker 1: So Dad don't do it. Alternately, I do it. I
Speaker 1: injure myself. And then because once you injure yourself with
Speaker 1: that age, you're in trouble for a long time, a
Speaker 1: long time. That's that's hips backs you do a knee
Speaker 1: and you don't as we're going to hit a back
Speaker 1: operation or hip operation that in those periods. So you've
Speaker 1: got to have enough flex and muscle and strength and
Speaker 1: whatever and body muscle memory, et cetera to be able
Speaker 1: to do these things. So how important is it for
Speaker 1: people when you say purpose? Well, how important is for
Speaker 1: people to sort of actually say, Okay, that's the function
Speaker 1: I want to be able to do. So I don't
Speaker 1: really need to go and do girls, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be curling the kid. I'm going to be using
Speaker 1: my Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're going to hinge and you're going to use a
Speaker 2: nice smooth hippi.
Speaker 1: And what's the right technique? That's it a technique body technique.
Speaker 2: You can get down into a nice deep squat pattern
Speaker 2: or a nice deep hip hinge. Do you do that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you look definitely. And you know what, that is a
Speaker 2: great motivator what you just mentioned. They've been able to
Speaker 2: keep up with your future grand your kids, grand kids.
Speaker 2: That's such a good motivator. Or it is for me,
Speaker 2: but it is it should be for a everyone.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, But do you find that John,
Speaker 1: that like when you get to you need is it
Speaker 1: just a function of say, someone gets to my age,
Speaker 1: and that's only when we start thinking about it. Because
Speaker 1: and even you now you know in your fifties, when
Speaker 1: you were thirty, mate, yeah, a lot of stuff you
Speaker 1: would have thought about you just I mean when I
Speaker 1: was with I was just rippetage whatever, and I didn't
Speaker 1: and I applied that sort of attitude everything I did, work, sport, everything.
Speaker 1: Now I'm older, do you feel as though we need
Speaker 1: to start to educate people, at least in our country,
Speaker 1: educate younger people. And I don't want to be a
Speaker 1: lecture in anyone, but educate them about the benefits are
Speaker 1: starting early the thinking process.
Speaker 2: That's a hard person Like you're saying, it's a pretty
Speaker 2: hard cell to get people in their thirties start thinking
Speaker 2: about movement when they're sixty.
Speaker 1: You seeing any of this?
Speaker 2: Not really, No, I see it more now with our age, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: But when you're that age, like you're saying, it's working
Speaker 2: play hard, bulletproof, which is understandable. Yeah, your bulletproof. You
Speaker 2: couldn't care what's going to happen to your body in
Speaker 2: five weeks time. You just want to look good. And
Speaker 2: saying that vanity is a great motivator as well.
Speaker 1: Totally like, because you're leaner than it used to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I go back to eight twenty years, I reckon
Speaker 1: you would have been I don't know, maybe just ten years,
Speaker 1: ten killers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably five.
Speaker 1: You're much Yeah to put on used to put on muscle,
Speaker 1: pretty but now you're more lean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty lean.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try and stay around ninety two. That's like
Speaker 2: a pretty happy medium for me. But I have to
Speaker 2: eat to stay at ninety two.
Speaker 1: Could we talk about that then? Eating it's like take
Speaker 1: my my age example, the amount of food like briefas
Speaker 1: and gins as you know. And by the way, he
Speaker 1: gave me enough information to stitch you up.
Speaker 2: He loves it. But I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but because because Ainy is I'm not doing because
Speaker 1: I don't want to make him think how good? How
Speaker 1: good is this? Johnny gets stitched up? So there are
Speaker 1: some stories I know I'm going to tell you. But anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks Mane. But Ginjo said to me on SAT. Day,
Speaker 1: he said, mate, you just got to eat less, And
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, but it's relative to the amount of
Speaker 1: exercise I'm and I don't want to eat less. And
Speaker 1: get too skinny. Yeah, I don't mean skinny in a
Speaker 1: bad way. I don't want to be like I'm about
Speaker 1: eighty five. I want to stay thirty five.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: How the fuck can I do it? Though? I mean
Speaker 1: like it should be taken bro about its like I
Speaker 1: just don't feel that hungry anymore.
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a tricky one because I agree
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like losing going under ninety kilos.
Speaker 2: I look frail and I look. My people go, you
Speaker 2: lost weight, You look, you don't look that well. It
Speaker 2: just doesn't suit me. And I like just holding that weight.
Speaker 2: So what do you do?
Speaker 1: Like to keep it?
Speaker 2: Definitely do some strength training. Strength I purchase you work
Speaker 2: to put on lean muscle masks and so that that's
Speaker 2: resistance training. Resistance training, But what does that mean though?
Speaker 1: Does that mean like trying to bench your best bench?
Speaker 1: Are you doing three of everything or five? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? I do?
Speaker 2: If I'm trying to put on lean muscle mass in
Speaker 2: these challenges I run, I do sort of anywhere from
Speaker 2: eight to twelve reps four sets and old school basic.
Speaker 1: You probably can't do more than ten reps.
Speaker 2: Ten to twelve reps ten to twelve reps max, and
Speaker 2: then I always try and pick away. It's pretty simple
Speaker 2: where the last three reps are getting really tough, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: those last three reps you're going and you're getting a
Speaker 2: nice you feel like you're geting the old school pump,
Speaker 2: the old school burn. That's when I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: putting on lean muscle.
Speaker 1: Is the reason you want to do eight to ten
Speaker 1: reps is because that's tearing enough muscle, but without actually
Speaker 1: tearing too much muscle, but tearing enough so that when
Speaker 1: you recover, when you muscle recovers, it rebuilds.
Speaker 2: So that REP range is it's a bit up in
Speaker 2: the air with reps and sets and how many, but
Speaker 2: I find that REP range is pretty easy to teach.
Speaker 2: It keeps people sort of accountable, like you get to
Speaker 2: and you can compare it to your next workout. Even
Speaker 2: if you go up to sixteen to twenty reps and
Speaker 2: still get that pump. At the end of sixteen or
Speaker 2: twenty reps, it's still you're still going to put on
Speaker 2: lean muscle. So it just depends you can mix up
Speaker 2: you have to do. I do three to four sets,
Speaker 2: but sometimes if I don't have much time I love
Speaker 2: this whole concept of if you haven't got much time
Speaker 2: still going workout, because you can still go and and
Speaker 2: do one set and just absolutely blast yourself. Say you
Speaker 2: do four exercises, one set, go heavier, do twelve reps,
Speaker 2: but have a good warm up so you don't injure yourself. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you can go in there and do four exercises twelve reps,
Speaker 2: but push them to the limit. Like the last two
Speaker 2: reps you are absolutely struggling. It's still you're still going
Speaker 2: to put on your body has to adapt to that
Speaker 2: stimulus and you're going to put on muscle. I guarantee it.
Speaker 1: So when you run, your group's at leak how is it?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I find it can be a bit overwhelming because yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you're going to do some rabic work. You're got to
Speaker 1: get it on a bike, run a machine or roll
Speaker 1: or something. You know, And some people recommend you've got
Speaker 1: to do one hundred and fifty minutes a week going
Speaker 1: to like, you know, that's the lake. In my case,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen beats a minute. You could have,
Speaker 1: you know, forty minutes, and you've got to do that
Speaker 1: three four times a week. Then you've got to do
Speaker 1: some resistance work minimum two times a week. There's five days,
Speaker 1: and then I like to wrestle. If you're doing that
Speaker 1: three nights a week, all of a sudden, there's no
Speaker 1: more days. I'm over a day and I'm bugging too.
Speaker 1: I'm stuffed. So is it best to sort of say, Okay,
Speaker 1: for this month, I'm going to do I'm just going
Speaker 1: to wrestle. Next month, I'm going to do resistance of
Speaker 1: a month after going do Arabic. I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you do this stuff? Nah?
Speaker 2: Like, I know exactly what you're talking about because I'm
Speaker 2: on the pretty much the same program. Whereas I think
Speaker 2: instead of doing so much cardio, I think pulling your
Speaker 2: reps and sets, making short of rest periods so you're
Speaker 2: still keeping your heart when you're doing your strength work,
Speaker 2: you're still keeping your heart rate at about one fifteen,
Speaker 2: which you just said that's your cardio zone, your own
Speaker 2: two cardio. So if you can wear a heart rate monitor,
Speaker 2: do your strength work and go around the gym, it's
Speaker 2: just a bit more of a circuit. So you're still
Speaker 2: getting your cardio and you're still putting on lean muscle mass.
Speaker 2: That's the way i'd treat that because then you don't
Speaker 2: have to do those extra cardio sessions and you can
Speaker 2: still wrestle and you're still keeping lean muscle mass on.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I'd try and cover that, because
Speaker 2: I know, doing those cardio sets and doing those two
Speaker 2: weight sessions a week and wrestling you're going to be
Speaker 2: pretty run down court at our age.
Speaker 1: Well, as I get old, I find it harder to
Speaker 1: do eat enough, I find it harder to train enough.
Speaker 1: Like what I think what I used to do, no drama,
Speaker 1: sleeping enough because I'm exhausted. But like then, but then
Speaker 1: you've got to work in the middle of all that too.
Speaker 1: Then you've got to fit working family, and then you've
Speaker 1: got all your other extended stuff that you've got to do.
Speaker 1: And what I was just talking to you about then is,
Speaker 1: like I guess, is tailor making an excise program for
Speaker 1: someone like you know, getting older? Let me just dial
Speaker 1: it back. How do you tailor make an exercise training
Speaker 1: program for, say, someone like Taj Borrow who you trained sports?
Speaker 1: Was it sports specific training?
Speaker 2: Definitely on the great surface, one of the great surfaces,
Speaker 2: who never who never won anything, who never won. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I worked for for seven years on the we
Speaker 2: traveled around the world for seven years. Was his full
Speaker 2: time trainer.
Speaker 1: So had that become about through.
Speaker 2: A mate of ours Sammy McIntosh been on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Sam was really good mates with Taj and he knew
Speaker 2: I was training all the Ruba boys and he just
Speaker 2: liked the style that I was training with because he
Speaker 2: thought Taj needed a bit of a rocket up he's
Speaker 2: ass to try and win a world title, just a
Speaker 2: bit of a bit more motivation, a bit more grit.
Speaker 1: Did he have too much talent?
Speaker 2: I would say that you see that a lot in
Speaker 2: all sports. You know, the most talented kids are the
Speaker 2: ones that don't want to do the work. So my
Speaker 2: job was to come in and obviously train a bit
Speaker 2: of grit into him, like get him hungry, like want
Speaker 2: to win. He wanted to win. He's a competitive little bugger,
Speaker 2: but he just just more grit more like, you know,
Speaker 2: instead of getting to the end of the comp and going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I probably could have done better, but and saying, nah,
Speaker 2: fuck this, I'm going to win this thing. Let's go.
Speaker 2: So that was sort of my role.
Speaker 1: But but how did how did you tailor make something
Speaker 1: for him? So because I've had some you know some
Speaker 1: people someone gain you organized, someone hied my pool and
Speaker 1: they did look at a twenty five med pill up
Speaker 1: at the front and you know what film walking underwater
Speaker 1: rights and which is cool. I was I didn't care,
Speaker 1: But do you do did you do that sort of stuff?
Speaker 1: Because he's not going to so big I mean, he's
Speaker 1: going to he's not going to serve dangerous surf. He's
Speaker 1: probably going to compete at bells or something that they do.
Speaker 2: Go to a couple of dangerous waves like obviously Pipeline
Speaker 2: and chop they were both really very dangerous every dangerous waves,
Speaker 2: which which he sort of he ended up doing really
Speaker 2: well out at the end of his career out of
Speaker 2: Chopo and we won a Pipemaster, so he won a
Speaker 2: pipeline when I was training him. So they were two
Speaker 2: massive achievements.
Speaker 1: Did you get into your water doing that sort of stuff?
Speaker 2: We did a bit of breath work, but not the
Speaker 2: rock carrying and all that stuff. We do sort of
Speaker 2: negative empty lung breath holds. We're getting to exil at
Speaker 2: the top, so he'd sink to the bottom and just
Speaker 2: in the water in the wa because it's been in
Speaker 2: the water is so much different to doing breath work
Speaker 2: on land. Yeah, because you obviously you think, fuck if
Speaker 2: I've got to get to the top here, where on
Speaker 2: land you can go, I'll take a breath here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's that different sort of stimulus.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but is that control just on that? Is
Speaker 1: that because you've got me curious now, is that you're
Speaker 1: talking about sort of being able to control your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: When you've got no breath left.
Speaker 2: You go down on exactly it. You go down on
Speaker 2: an empty light. It's got an empty lung. So you'll
Speaker 2: sink if you know you're not at an empty lung,
Speaker 2: if you float back to the surface. But if you are,
Speaker 2: you go, you breathe, exile all you think everything out
Speaker 2: and your CO two builds up a lot quicker.
Speaker 1: It's a cabonic acids comes quick.
Speaker 2: So you were to try and either find a way
Speaker 2: in your head to say, listen, you're fine, well you're
Speaker 2: going to relax. You can either sing a song, you
Speaker 2: can pitch yourself driving down the highway, you just keep
Speaker 2: driving to the next whatever it is you want to do.
Speaker 2: You get down there and you hold that breath.
Speaker 1: And is this in order to mimic what happens to
Speaker 1: you when you come off your board, for example.
Speaker 2: And can do it. It can make you feel a
Speaker 2: lot more comfortable on an empty lung going down and
Speaker 2: just thinking, yeah, I'm all right, I'm all right.
Speaker 1: How long did you got to stay there for?
Speaker 2: Well? It's funny because I do a bit of work
Speaker 2: with the sharks, with the Carnala sharks these days with FITZI,
Speaker 2: I'll go down there and do all their recovery stuff
Speaker 2: and we do that pool work and the boys will
Speaker 2: start off, because they're not surfers, they'll start off with
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds and they come to the surface like a
Speaker 2: torpedo fifteen seconds. They're like, it's that funny watching them,
Speaker 2: but they adapt to it so quick. By the end
Speaker 2: of it. They a lot of them can do a
Speaker 2: minute and a half after doing four rounds on fifteen seconds,
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, forty five minute, and I'll go to a
Speaker 2: minute and a half. Yeah, in one in one, like
Speaker 2: one session, one session.
Speaker 1: And then with Taj so you get him, you do
Speaker 1: breath work in the water with him. I want to
Speaker 1: come back to breath work in a moment because I
Speaker 1: want to picking brains on this. But what what would
Speaker 1: you get him to do for leth would you get
Speaker 1: him to resistance work?
Speaker 2: Definitely, wanted to strengthen him up, turn him into Yeah,
Speaker 2: wanted to create Is.
Speaker 1: He going to do bench press? What are you going?
Speaker 1: Because I mean the only thing he has to lift
Speaker 1: himself up when he's standing up on it.
Speaker 2: What sort of the way the way they surfers, tube
Speaker 2: ride and everything. You need that sort of stability and
Speaker 2: strength and balance because if part of the wave falls
Speaker 2: and hit you on the back of the head where
Speaker 2: you're trying to come out of the barrel, you need
Speaker 2: that strength and sort of almost like a resilience to
Speaker 2: combat that is that you're talking about leg strength strength,
Speaker 2: hip strength strength and the way they do a turn
Speaker 2: to where they wrap the border around the top of
Speaker 2: the wave and come back around. It's a lot of
Speaker 2: leg strength and core. You look at the young guys now,
Speaker 2: they're so thick in the legs and the hips and
Speaker 2: the core. So yeah, we did a lot of strength work,
Speaker 2: like a lot of like and it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be heavy squats or heavy dead list. We were doing
Speaker 2: a lot of single legs stuff and split squads and
Speaker 2: single leg Romanian dead lifts just to bring that balance
Speaker 2: element into it as well, and that sort of approprioception
Speaker 2: around the uncle, knee and hip where he'd get strong
Speaker 2: in those positions.
Speaker 1: So how did it go with him?
Speaker 2: So did it?
Speaker 1: Did it change his ranking or did it change How
Speaker 1: did you measure it? I guess for a better way.
Speaker 2: It's hard to measure. We just measured it. Like with
Speaker 2: his confidence, how does he feel? He felt unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he felt incredible. It was the best he felt in
Speaker 2: his career. So that was that was a big one,
Speaker 2: like how he felt, and it gave him confidence, like
Speaker 2: when you feel when you feel and strong and resilient,
Speaker 2: you feel confident.
Speaker 1: And who did he have to beat?
Speaker 2: Like who was he was up against? It was a
Speaker 2: tough run. You know. He had Kelly Slater in his prime.
Speaker 2: He wanted he had him all through him and Taj
Speaker 2: had a crazy rivalry. He had Andy Eins before Andy
Speaker 2: passed away, and then later on he had Mick and Joel.
Speaker 2: So they were both hum mc fanning and Joel Parkins.
Speaker 2: So they were crazy boys. Yeah, the Bolt of Boys.
Speaker 2: They're rich, rich, rich and retired now but they've Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he had a he had a bit of a
Speaker 2: hard run. Through those through his career.
Speaker 1: But that's the best people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's what you want. You want to
Speaker 2: be if you've got to win, you've got to beat
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you're sitting down with him for those
Speaker 1: sevent year period, that sevent year period I'm touring with him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you say to him, did any stage you have
Speaker 1: to sort of become his like I don't want to
Speaker 1: call it mentor, but like help him manage his mind. Definitely,
Speaker 1: And I'm not feeling good, I'm going to get there.
Speaker 2: The highs and loads of professional sports are huge. Like
Speaker 2: we'd be on the road for pretty much the whole year.
Speaker 2: So if you if you go for a bit of
Speaker 2: a bad run like loosed early in three events in
Speaker 2: a row, that the whole sort of camp just feels it.
Speaker 2: Like me, him, his girlfriend, everyone feels a pressure to
Speaker 2: start doing well again. So there was there was times
Speaker 2: where I had to sit him down and say, mate,
Speaker 2: what's going on, Like, what's what's going on up here?
Speaker 2: Because physically you're fine. And one thing he would do
Speaker 2: was win an event and be all on a real
Speaker 2: big high and then come into the next event. Because
Speaker 2: you have to learn how to win. So winning winning
Speaker 2: and losing, You've got to learn how to lose. You
Speaker 2: have to learn how to win because you can be
Speaker 2: on this super big high and think I've got this
Speaker 2: and then going to the next event, lose first heat
Speaker 2: and then the whole thing comes crashing down. I feel
Speaker 2: like you've got to start again.
Speaker 1: So what what what do you do about in terms
Speaker 1: of physical exercise for example, that can help you get
Speaker 1: through that weird period? Yeah, do you do is there
Speaker 1: something you would prescribe for him, like in terms of
Speaker 1: physical exercise?
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably give him a good couple of floggins in
Speaker 2: the gym to get it out of him and point, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what we're here for. Like nothing like competing
Speaker 2: is going to be easy compared to what we're going
Speaker 2: to do in the gym. Make it really, make it
Speaker 2: really hard, Say fuck it, let's go like competing, Like
Speaker 2: you're you're going to look forward to competing after these
Speaker 2: next couple of gym sessions. That's one way we used
Speaker 2: to do it. I don't know if it was a
Speaker 2: perfect way, but that's one way that worked for him.
Speaker 2: It work for him, That worked for him.
Speaker 1: And how does how does he how do you balance
Speaker 1: that up though, Like you're on the surfing you know circuit.
Speaker 1: He had his friend with him, but you're on the
Speaker 1: surfing circuit. Made like surfing is notorious for good times
Speaker 1: and the comps over and you're there with all your
Speaker 1: mates and everybody's doing the best after after parties. How
Speaker 1: do you manage that? And not you, but how do you?
Speaker 1: How does he manage that?
Speaker 2: That's that's a good question because there were every place
Speaker 2: we went to on tour, there'd be a party every night,
Speaker 2: even before the competition started and during competition. Wow, So
Speaker 2: it was it like you had to be really care
Speaker 2: because a couple of the boys did not give a fuck.
Speaker 2: Were that'd see a free and out and go let's.
Speaker 1: Go and then probably some of those guys could turn
Speaker 1: up the next thing you go, well, some of them could,
Speaker 1: and that that put really Andrew John's levee.
Speaker 2: Maybe a couple of people did it really well. It
Speaker 2: took the pressure off and you're just like, yeah, I'm sweet,
Speaker 2: let's go. Like half a couple of them did it well.
Speaker 2: But we had this thing with Taj where if we
Speaker 2: keep a bit of a social life and keep you know, on,
Speaker 2: keep not make things boring. We just had this rule.
Speaker 2: If we went out the night before and had a
Speaker 2: few beers, we had to be in the gym at
Speaker 2: seven am the next morning. There was no whissaw butts,
Speaker 2: So you could go out and party, but you you'd
Speaker 2: pay for it the next morning. So it sort of
Speaker 2: rained it in a bit and it kept kept the
Speaker 2: longevity of his career way longer than I think if
Speaker 2: we just had a went just party and hope.
Speaker 1: For the best, but you wouldn't party the night before.
Speaker 2: We didn't, but it certainly happened, and then we would
Speaker 2: have a bit of a let the hair down at
Speaker 2: the end of the event.
Speaker 1: Hugh said, yeah, after Yeah, the after party.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But even then you have to be on a
Speaker 2: flight the next day.
Speaker 1: So where does a suger work like? What would just
Speaker 1: give me a bit of a We.
Speaker 2: Normally start off on the Gold Coast from him and I.
Speaker 2: We'd start off in yelling Up Is from Western Australia,
Speaker 2: So we do six weeks. So we'd get there on
Speaker 2: the third of January, third or fifth of January, and
Speaker 2: we do six weeks of solid training, surf as much
Speaker 2: as we could, no alcohol and get him lean and
Speaker 2: hungry for Snapper because Snapper was his pet event that
Speaker 2: was Snapper rocks on the Gold Coast this way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we come straight back over here.
Speaker 1: Then we go to Bell's beach, so they so you
Speaker 1: go to Snapper then then when you go to his
Speaker 1: Bell's Like, how far away between Snapper and Bell's is
Speaker 1: in terms of time are we talking about between the events?
Speaker 2: Probably have sometimes it just depended on the waiting periods.
Speaker 2: But sometimes we'd have a week, two weeks, just depends.
Speaker 2: So basically you're on all the time, on all the time, mate,
Speaker 2: You going from one to the other. A footy season, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's brutal and because you're fly, Like then we'd start Brazil, Portugal, Hawaii,
Speaker 2: Hawaii was normally at the end of the season back then,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, Tahiti, Fiji, USA. So we're back and forth,
Speaker 2: you know, Like we're on the road hard.
Speaker 1: So would you set up his food?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Everything, yep.
Speaker 2: Food. Just try and eat as best we could, Like
Speaker 2: it was never going to be perfect on the road,
Speaker 2: but we're just try and find. We got it pretty dialed,
Speaker 2: like we'd find the locals, farmers, farmers' markets and we'd
Speaker 2: stay we're here he we could afford to travel pretty comfortably,
Speaker 2: like we'd stay in nice places. Well, yeah, he was
Speaker 2: getting paid a fortune back then, so we could really
Speaker 2: foc He didn't mind spending the money on keeping the
Speaker 2: longevity of his career. He was like, I'm all for
Speaker 2: spent another more few more years on tour than getting
Speaker 2: to a point where I just fall off tour because
Speaker 2: I'm either broken or unhealthy or sick. So he didn't
Speaker 2: mind looking after himself and obviously the cost of me
Speaker 2: being there as well.
Speaker 1: You you just mentioned Craig Fitzgibbon, the coach Coronulla. Do
Speaker 1: do surfers get as broken? They say something like Fitzy,
Speaker 1: Like fitz he's got lots of injuries from the impact.
Speaker 1: Do surfers get that sort of thing?
Speaker 2: Not that bad?
Speaker 1: They do have.
Speaker 2: They do hit their hips, the hips, their hips go.
Speaker 2: A lot of them have had hip hip replacements. It's
Speaker 2: normally the back hip. Yeah, so it's a back hip
Speaker 2: the way they drive out of a turn foot that's
Speaker 2: at the back of back foot, back foot, the back
Speaker 2: hipp So Ginger has left hips gone because he's good.
Speaker 2: He's like an old out station. They're both gone. He's sweet.
Speaker 1: My brother just had hipp version and my brother's on
Speaker 1: austrains surfing astraight whatever, it's the ginge. My brother's right,
Speaker 1: he's right, he's a. He's a. He's not a good foot.
Speaker 1: He just rides a regular surfer in his right foot,
Speaker 1: right hip, right hip, and he's had his right hip
Speaker 1: done beginning this year. But now he can't surf a
Speaker 1: him with his stuff. But that's interesting. I never thought
Speaker 1: about that because I was thinking myself, he's served on
Speaker 1: more thannighted. I stopped surfing like it was just too
Speaker 1: hard to surf locally. I couldn't stand. He kept going,
Speaker 1: And and you know, I wonder if one of myself
Speaker 1: is as a genetic, Am I going to get his
Speaker 1: younger than I? Am? I going to get it in
Speaker 1: a couple of years time? Thank god?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I know what it is.
Speaker 1: It could be that you're right.
Speaker 2: It probably was not. I can't say yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: a that's a big chance. It's his back hip. He's
Speaker 2: a natural surfer, he's right hip.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because you'll notice, I saw a funny thing, is I
Speaker 2: sat talking about hips. I saw a photo with Taj
Speaker 2: and Joel Parko they're both natural footers and they're standing together.
Speaker 2: Their left foot was straight, their right foot was but
Speaker 2: both of them were standing like that with their right
Speaker 2: foot like that. So it's all their external rotators at
Speaker 2: the hip that just drawn.
Speaker 1: Bottle and get it to you know, because the foot
Speaker 1: they step back on the back foot the foot the
Speaker 1: pushing back back and I know those boxes had hip
Speaker 1: operations on the back foot. Yeah, that's interesting that like
Speaker 1: if you do it for too long and anything, I
Speaker 1: guess anything like that. I just want to you mentioned
Speaker 1: breath work. So I recently took my senior staff up
Speaker 1: to my farm and doesn't know or something like that,
Speaker 1: and I bought in a breath work lady because I
Speaker 1: thought to give them a new experience. I got onto
Speaker 1: through robber Trent Robinson, and because Trent likes to try
Speaker 1: different things like this, and and I it was interesting.
Speaker 1: So basically I just quickly explained to it if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but basically, you breathe in and our three mouth big breaths.
Speaker 1: But you do it for quite a long time, it
Speaker 1: doesn't you don't do it ten times we went for
Speaker 1: I think about forty five minutes or something like that.
Speaker 1: But the difference between everybody was amazing. Like one person
Speaker 1: fell asleep, another person actually started to.
Speaker 2: Cry yep, like people get very emotional.
Speaker 1: In my case, I got, I felt, I felt really,
Speaker 1: I got really clear head and I started thinking about
Speaker 1: things I need to do my business. I got, I
Speaker 1: got really a hell of a clarity, and I felt
Speaker 1: quite energized. I felt, I felt good. And everybody had
Speaker 1: different sort of outcomes and I would never thought so
Speaker 1: just from breathing in and out. Do you do much
Speaker 1: of that with.
Speaker 2: Your Yeah, there's heaps of it. There's some really good
Speaker 2: breath coaches up there. Yeah, it's unreal, It's I love it.
Speaker 1: Do you do that's you know, whim half Yeah, guru
Speaker 1: of it all?
Speaker 2: Do you do you? I have have done, been to
Speaker 2: a couple of whim seminars over the years. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: got in the ice after it, but that was years ago.
Speaker 2: But I I do, I don't really go. I love
Speaker 2: it and I go to a beautiful place like free drugs,
Speaker 2: almost like tearing down the arms, tingling your face, go
Speaker 2: to a different place. It feels amazing.
Speaker 1: But I you do it on your own, you do
Speaker 1: it with a personation through it.
Speaker 2: I like to be do it guided you get more
Speaker 2: out of it, I think, because then you don't have
Speaker 2: to think you're not looking at the stop watch. You've
Speaker 2: got someone telling you how to do it. I love
Speaker 2: someone showing me how to do it and different different
Speaker 2: aspects of it, like you learn from other people, obviously,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love it and I get a great
Speaker 2: experience out of it, and I always feel better than
Speaker 2: before I started it, feel way better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and you mentioned meditation. I sort of had
Speaker 1: a bit of a riview bit, but yeah, just I
Speaker 1: know there's lots of apps around that you can use.
Speaker 1: Why is meditation? How is it that it's become so
Speaker 1: acceptable more accepted? Once upon time it's all about whoo
Speaker 1: people doing it? They basically up and viron or wherever.
Speaker 1: Well they're sitting on a mountain and to bed or something,
Speaker 1: or there are monks, but meditation has form part of it.
Speaker 1: I do it every day, and even if I need
Speaker 1: do five minutes, it's okay. And even if I just
Speaker 1: I can't do it properly, I still try to do
Speaker 1: it because I think it obviously, But why do you
Speaker 1: think meditation has become so acceptable today? It's really necessary.
Speaker 2: Definitely because of mental health. I think there's so much
Speaker 2: we're so much more aware of mental health these days,
Speaker 2: and we're so much more like I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's a lot more of it in society, but where
Speaker 2: people are more open about speaking about it. So I
Speaker 2: think it's more acceptable to meditate because if that helps
Speaker 2: your mental health, then why not accept it.
Speaker 1: And it's acceptable to have a problem with mental health
Speaker 1: or recognize you recognize.
Speaker 2: About it and talk about it and then go and
Speaker 2: do your whatever it is that suits you, like I've got.
Speaker 2: You see a lot of online people saying, oh, look
Speaker 2: at these blokes doing heavy dead list. It's bad for
Speaker 2: their back. But I know mates that suffer from a
Speaker 2: little bit of mental healthy're not too bad. But they'll
Speaker 2: get in the gym, put their headphones on and lift
Speaker 2: heavy weights, and the mental health they feel so much
Speaker 2: better when they walk out of the gym. So there's
Speaker 2: no What I'm saying is there's no right and wrong
Speaker 2: with what people should be exercising or the way they
Speaker 2: do things, because they might be doing it for their
Speaker 2: mental health, that they might have found a way that
Speaker 2: clears their head and makes them feel resilient when they
Speaker 2: walk out of whatever they're doing the gym meditation, So
Speaker 2: why sit there and judge what they're doing when you
Speaker 2: don't know it could be for their mental health. And
Speaker 2: that's why that's getting back to the question. That's why
Speaker 2: I think meditation is so acceptable these days.
Speaker 1: So in your training programs that you put together for
Speaker 1: your clients, we've touched on breath work, we've touched on meditation,
Speaker 1: we've touched on types of exercise. You've talked about sleep,
Speaker 1: and you talked about nutrition intuition. You have food and
Speaker 1: hydration really important. Because we talk about doing the right food.
Speaker 1: You've got to talk about drinking the rent amount of
Speaker 1: water or whatever the case may be. But whatever it
Speaker 1: is you're drinking, electrolytes and stuff. That all gets put together.
Speaker 1: That's a quite a big package for people to digest,
Speaker 1: especially they're new to this. If it's not their goal,
Speaker 1: they're fifty a bit able to wait what may be
Speaker 1: or were maybe the individual is a sports person before
Speaker 1: it hasn't really done anything. They've gone to the doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor's done a blood test. They said, listen to your
Speaker 1: chlestuous to ailh blah blah blah, you're going to lose weight.
Speaker 1: What did dexter. You know you're out of shape, you've
Speaker 1: got a bit of visceral fat. Whatever. How did they
Speaker 1: take it when you first put it to them? Is
Speaker 1: it a shock?
Speaker 2: What the way I explained to them, you can say
Speaker 2: you get this visualization when someone says so. By the
Speaker 2: way I explain, it's a whole holy stick, wheel, sleep, nutrition, hydration.
Speaker 2: But everything comes together in a wheel. You take out
Speaker 2: one of those pieces, the wheel starts to spin a
Speaker 2: little worse. Take out two, three, the wheel falls apart,
Speaker 2: spins like shit. So the way I explain it is,
Speaker 2: don't chase perfection because you're not going to get perfection
Speaker 2: out of all of those things. Just be good. That's it.
Speaker 2: Be good at every single one of those things and
Speaker 2: just try and improve on them a little bit each week.
Speaker 2: And again. If you go backwards and fall off, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Just get back on the program and try and do
Speaker 2: the best you can. But that's going back a bit.
Speaker 2: As I said, try not to chase perfection because it's
Speaker 2: not there. And if you try and chase perfection, it'll
Speaker 2: do your head in and you'll just say fuck it.
Speaker 2: Oh you stop doing it, You say fuck it, I
Speaker 2: can't do it. It's too much for me, it's for
Speaker 2: who the fuck could do this in a week?
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: Just be good and that's the way to get it,
Speaker 2: and you'll progress. You'll get on that nice flow state
Speaker 2: where you're slowly creeping up the hill. You don't want
Speaker 2: to go up hill a million miles an hour and
Speaker 2: fall off the hill. But with exercise nutrition, we're looking
Speaker 2: for longevity. And that's what I try and teach that sustainable, sustainable,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. If it's sustainable, you're doing really well.
Speaker 2: It's not too much, it's not too little, you're not
Speaker 2: getting bored, you're not falling off off the heel. That's
Speaker 2: what we're looking for and that's the way I'll explain
Speaker 2: it to them.
Speaker 1: So this brings you to the we challenge to something
Speaker 1: you're just close to your heart. Yep, what's that about, mate?
Speaker 2: Mate? So going back to Dexascans, I get it. I
Speaker 2: get So we call them chapters. There's a bit of
Speaker 2: a g up, So we get chapters. We've got chapters
Speaker 2: in Rubra Lenox head Byron, chapters of people that come
Speaker 2: together and train from all walks of life. Right, you can,
Speaker 2: no matter where you've come from, you can come down
Speaker 2: and join these chapters and they're just groups of people
Speaker 2: and it forms a strong community. That's what set this up.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't set them up. I set the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast one up and then I've jumped in on
Speaker 2: the other chapters. The Lenox chapter, they already they're already
Speaker 2: going Mruber chapter. They've got ninety people. There's one in
Speaker 2: Newcastle now. But all these chapters come in and do
Speaker 2: do my challenge.
Speaker 1: So you set the challenger.
Speaker 2: I set the challenge up. Yeah, I set it up.
Speaker 2: It's all online. So we got one starting on the
Speaker 2: third of February next year, and that's the big one.
Speaker 2: It goes for eight weeks no alcohol and doing exactly
Speaker 2: what we've talked about today, the whole holistic side of health.
Speaker 2: Good not perfect, Yep, it's just good.
Speaker 1: Do do you talk to everybody online?
Speaker 2: I try, and yeah, we've got we've got a WhatsApp,
Speaker 2: good old WhatsApp good for training for training, So we
Speaker 2: get we get sort of the last one. We had
Speaker 2: two hundred people do it. So we've got chefs, other trainers,
Speaker 2: like I don't know everything. I've got a nutrition us
Speaker 2: on board because I just wanted to make the nutrition
Speaker 2: side more professional. So I've got Kelly McDonald who does
Speaker 2: She's on the same wavelength as nutrition as me, but
Speaker 2: she's really good at what she does.
Speaker 1: And she said that, but when you say nutrition, Johnny
Speaker 1: is amout. She sets up a program what she suggested does.
Speaker 2: She does food suggestions and then if you want to
Speaker 2: go into more details, she will you can do a
Speaker 2: private console. Obviously it costs more money. She will do
Speaker 2: a private console and set you up and again for sustainability.
Speaker 2: It's not just because. A funny story about that is
Speaker 2: the year a few years ago Pat Rafton won the challenge.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know him, but I know he's
Speaker 1: a good mate, engineer.
Speaker 2: Good good man. And he won the challenge. He smashed everyone.
Speaker 2: He's still a competitive but he's big, strong like you
Speaker 2: think you know Ossie legend, and he smashed everyone in
Speaker 2: the challenge. He lost like four five percent potty fat,
Speaker 2: put on about four point five percent lean muscle mass,
Speaker 2: lost half his visceral fat. But he got to the
Speaker 2: end of the challenge and I spoke to him and said,
Speaker 2: how do you how you feeling? Pat? He goes, mate,
Speaker 2: I was hungry the whole time. So he was hungry
Speaker 2: and angry because he was pretty much not starving himself,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't eating that many calories. Because he's such
Speaker 2: a competitor. He wanted to win this thing, and he
Speaker 2: train till he was almost broken, Like he didn't do
Speaker 2: my training program, he did his own, and he cooked
Speaker 2: himself like you were saying, he was absolutely cooked. And
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm going to have a month off the
Speaker 2: gym and I'm going to go and eat shit. And
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, it's not really what the challenge
Speaker 2: is all about. Like the challenge, I wanted to make
Speaker 2: it so people can eat and live and train like
Speaker 2: this for the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. So
Speaker 2: we because that theme of the challenge was just deal
Speaker 2: with it, So I do a different theme each challenge.
Speaker 2: That that year was just deal with it, so no
Speaker 2: matter what comes out, you just deal with it, get it,
Speaker 2: get it done. And it was a bit everyone took
Speaker 2: it literally and went overboard on the training and a
Speaker 2: bit and didn't need enough. So that's when I thought,
Speaker 2: I'll pull it back. And the next challenge I did
Speaker 2: was sustainability, Like let's make this, like I just said,
Speaker 2: five ten, fifteen, twenty years, we can we will quite
Speaker 2: happily train like that, live the rest life, live this life.
Speaker 2: And it was a way better challenge people. That's when
Speaker 2: I started getting a lot of feedback about how how
Speaker 2: good people felt, not just physically but mentally because they
Speaker 2: had they knew they could live like that for the
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. So that's when I
Speaker 2: was That's when I was thinking, all right, let's let's
Speaker 2: cut out stress as well. Let's cut out the stress.
Speaker 2: So that's when I proved through in the meditation side
Speaker 2: of it as well.
Speaker 1: So do do do do you sort of direct them
Speaker 1: to to onund of the meditation apps and just say
Speaker 1: pick one doesn't really matter, but do you have to
Speaker 1: fill a format and sort of say okay they do?
Speaker 1: You keep accountable accountable definitely.
Speaker 2: So that's why we get the DEXA scan at the start, right,
Speaker 2: so we get the dexas skiins. Everyone gets two hundred
Speaker 2: scans coming at me. I'm like, oh god, how am
Speaker 2: I going to calculate this? Then don't get another two
Speaker 2: hundred Dexter scans at the end. At the end, but
Speaker 2: now we've got a system on the on the website,
Speaker 2: where people can upload their own data so they can
Speaker 2: log in, they can log in, put their own dexter
Speaker 2: scan results in and whatever the training can do. Their
Speaker 2: training is all on the YEP. They can either train
Speaker 2: do my training program or they can train with their
Speaker 2: own trainer. So you put a program out to put
Speaker 2: a program, it's all there is.
Speaker 1: Do you put in your program every week or is
Speaker 1: it one program?
Speaker 2: It's a four week block, so you do one four
Speaker 2: week you do trained, because I think it takes about
Speaker 2: four weeks to learn the movements properly, even if you're
Speaker 2: going back and doing a squat, like just learning how
Speaker 2: to damn it. It's all on video. It's all everything's there.
Speaker 2: And then after the four weeks we pretty much change
Speaker 2: your program because then, like I said, you don't want
Speaker 2: people to get bored. And some people after four weeks
Speaker 2: like the FU all right, what's what's next? Four week block?
Speaker 2: Two four week blocks for.
Speaker 1: The and then people interacting with each other like can
Speaker 1: you not compete? But can you sort of not Strava
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 2: Like, no, it's competitive because we do. Because we do.
Speaker 2: I get each chapter to compete against each other. So
Speaker 2: I'll take the So you say we've got ninety blocks
Speaker 2: or seventy blocks from Ruber, fifty from Lenox, forty from Byron,
Speaker 2: thirty or forty from where I'm from. We had South Australia,
Speaker 2: New Zealand jump in and do it, and I'd really
Speaker 2: like Rural Australia to start jumping on board as well.
Speaker 2: That's that's a goal. But I take the top five
Speaker 2: results from each chapter and we add them up. So
Speaker 2: I think last year Lenox had one. In the year
Speaker 2: before Byron one, So that's that just makes the chapters
Speaker 2: a bit more competitive. And then when you've got blokes,
Speaker 2: say traveling up to the Gold Coast from Sydney, they
Speaker 2: can jump in and train with our chapter. Vice versa.
Speaker 1: So do you train if you're in a Chapter's something
Speaker 1: in the Ruba chapter, do I physically train with these
Speaker 1: guys like you pick someone's garage or a gym or
Speaker 1: something of that. That's it, okay, So you actually do.
Speaker 2: Actually trained together. It creates a community. So you train together,
Speaker 2: you go and jump in the ocean and all go
Speaker 2: and have a coffee together, go about your dates. It's
Speaker 2: a massive community. So we're trying to create a strong, healthy,
Speaker 2: vibrant community. So these chapters, they all say if they
Speaker 2: meet three times a week or twice a week, they
Speaker 2: go and train together and then they can do their
Speaker 2: own training, or they can put they can get small
Speaker 2: groups and splinter off and do their weight training that
Speaker 2: I set out. It just depends where they want to
Speaker 2: go with it.
Speaker 1: We know they joint used to have in Bondi and
Speaker 1: North bond there were just train the garage.
Speaker 2: The garage them. That's where it all started. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where it all started with five guys. I used
Speaker 2: to train a group of actually small garage, tiny little
Speaker 2: single garage. That's where we trained for years. And I
Speaker 2: used to train four guys in there, and I was
Speaker 2: just looking for something to motivate them. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was always interested in Dexa scans, and I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, boys, let's go get a Dexas scan. Not
Speaker 2: drink alcohol for eight weeks and then we'll get a
Speaker 2: Dexas scan at the end and see who wins. Like,
Speaker 2: see who can lose the most, lose the most body fat,
Speaker 2: put on the most lean muscle mass, and lose the
Speaker 2: most visceral fat, the important fat, that fat that sits
Speaker 2: around your belly. So that all those three results we
Speaker 2: look at and then we sort of did a calculation
Speaker 2: at the end and see who wins.
Speaker 1: Has it done anything for mental health?
Speaker 2: Definitely. I didn't set out to do that, to be honest, like,
Speaker 2: I didn't set out for it to be a I've
Speaker 2: set it out to be more of a physical challenge.
Speaker 2: But the amount of people that bring me after it
Speaker 2: and say, mate, my mental health, I didn't realize that
Speaker 2: I was in a rut. They're not like obviously, they're
Speaker 2: not like in a bad state of mental health. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they drink. They're just over drinking alcohol and using
Speaker 2: that as a bit of a masking agent for their
Speaker 2: whatever they're going through, stress at work, financial stress. And
Speaker 2: then at the end they go, mate, might not only
Speaker 2: feel physically better, but I feel mentally better. So that's
Speaker 2: a big that was massive to hear that off a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 1: How many how many people, let's say, so you do it,
Speaker 1: how many times you?
Speaker 2: I did it twice last year, but this one I
Speaker 2: don't know. Last year at this at the same time
Speaker 2: of a year, I got two hundred people doing it.
Speaker 2: I'd like to get four or five hundred.
Speaker 1: If someone's build a chapter set up a chapter, Set
Speaker 1: up a chapter. How do they do it?
Speaker 2: They just get a group of small group of people
Speaker 2: from the local community, pick two mornings, just meet either
Speaker 2: down the beach or at a local gym or at
Speaker 2: someone's place, and you just people gravitate towards it. They
Speaker 2: hear about it, start a thread. Like I said before,
Speaker 2: the threads are the best thing for group training because
Speaker 2: you can send out one quick message and everyone's on it.
Speaker 2: Everyone supports each other. A bit of a note dickhead policy.
Speaker 1: And how do they register? Though? With the APE, we
Speaker 1: challenges like you have to go register yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when that time comes around in February, you jump on.
Speaker 2: It costs two hundred and fifty bucks to do the
Speaker 2: challenge and then you pay for your own two dex
Speaker 2: of scans. There are one hundred dollars each year. It
Speaker 2: cost four hundred and fifty bucks all up to do
Speaker 2: the challenge. But you like, if you're a drinker, you'll
Speaker 2: save that money in two or three weeks a couple
Speaker 2: of nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's how many have you been doing this?
Speaker 1: Because I mean I remember you it's about six years
Speaker 1: seven bond longer than that though, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: I've been training in Bondi around those places for years.
Speaker 2: But I think we're up to about challenge number seven
Speaker 2: coming out.
Speaker 1: Number seven And why do you do it? It's not
Speaker 1: for money making, so why are you doing way John
Speaker 1: Gannon doing it?
Speaker 2: I really enjoy just seeing people come together in a
Speaker 2: community and go have each other's backs. Where like even
Speaker 2: when the floods were on, like up in twenty two,
Speaker 2: when the floods were on it is more and all
Speaker 2: around the down towards Lenox and all around the back
Speaker 2: of Lenox Head, New Brighton and all those places, it
Speaker 2: was the local community that got up and saved people
Speaker 2: and help people out. There was no one else for
Speaker 2: four days. It was the boys on their jet skis
Speaker 2: and in Tinney's the women were on the boat ramps.
Speaker 2: Like local businesses were bringing down jerry cans full of fuel,
Speaker 2: they're bringing down generators that everyone just come together as
Speaker 2: a community and sorted it out. But there's like without that,
Speaker 2: those people were in all sorts of trouble.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing a story that mid Fanning contract contacted
Speaker 1: Musk and got the got the Starlight Starlink Starlink Starling
Speaker 1: services and for people Lis.
Speaker 2: More people and there's more and all around the back.
Speaker 1: Of Woodell and all those Ye war that was really good.
Speaker 2: That was bad mate. They were stuck. They were stuck
Speaker 2: in their roof cavities for four days. Yeah, no phone,
Speaker 2: no food, no water, no nothing, and.
Speaker 1: Never is closed down because an internet needs cable and.
Speaker 2: You couldn't get there. You could only get there by
Speaker 2: boat or jet. Scared.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting off the back of that that
Speaker 1: might join up there. And I thought, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got I had, you know, some other internet service. I
Speaker 1: won't see which one, And I thought, stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: going to support starlink. So I got Starlink on the
Speaker 1: two houses just just because of what McK fanning did.
Speaker 1: I thought I would reward made any difference and stuff,
Speaker 1: but I thought it would make it. I thought, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll make it. My decisions on going with that brand
Speaker 1: was at the time it was a few years. It
Speaker 1: was a bit more expensive because I had to buy
Speaker 1: the kid much super now but great, by the way,
Speaker 1: unbelievable service that stunting like. I never get downtime like
Speaker 1: even when like last weekend it was like belting down,
Speaker 1: it was still I still was still finding that my
Speaker 1: dish is still finding the satellite. And it was and
Speaker 1: it was perfect. I mean I had like a little blit,
Speaker 1: but it was heavy duty weather. And that's off the
Speaker 1: back of something to someone like Mick Fanning doing what
Speaker 1: he did, and it was just me. It was a
Speaker 1: whole lot of other blokes. There was a big gang
Speaker 1: of them, and they're the sorts of people who were
Speaker 1: doing this. We challenge.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's what I want to create, like strong communities.
Speaker 2: But when the ship does hit the fan, like even
Speaker 2: little things that happened that we don't even know about,
Speaker 2: like someone's kid sick, that that group of people go
Speaker 2: into a fundrate like anything like that, just to create
Speaker 2: like because I think that's what we're lacking, like a strong, healthy,
Speaker 2: vibrant communities. Especially after COVID we realized how social people
Speaker 2: are as well. So now we've got our social life back.
Speaker 2: We don't have to go to the pub and drink
Speaker 2: ten schooners and write yourself off and just talk shit
Speaker 2: and you don't even remember what your mate said to you.
Speaker 1: Anyway, if you do, you just repeating shit you've been
Speaker 1: other time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the same shit. So I'd rather see
Speaker 2: people come down and train together, have a swim in
Speaker 2: the ocean or in a cold plunge or whatever they've
Speaker 2: got river, go and have a coffee, talk about whatever,
Speaker 2: like the shit that comes out so funny, and you
Speaker 2: remember what each other said, you made it, you made
Speaker 2: a new mate, and you go about your day and
Speaker 2: you feel better about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel better hearing you talk about it that
Speaker 1: because you know it's funny. You know it's nearly full circle.
Speaker 1: Because what you're telling me now, what you're trying to create,
Speaker 1: letting others create, helping others create is sort of like
Speaker 1: the original foundation premise of the Brah boys after each other,
Speaker 1: but without all the other stuff that went with it.
Speaker 1: There's just older blokes probably probably they're not twenty year olds,
Speaker 1: probably blokes in thirty forties whatever, building a community themselves,
Speaker 1: healthy community, looking after each other, looking out for each other,
Speaker 1: and also enjoying each other's company, which is sort of
Speaker 1: where you started when you're definitely but you've just taken
Speaker 1: the best part of it and then put it into
Speaker 1: what you're doing now. A bit of stuff and you
Speaker 1: ever thought about.
Speaker 2: That, yeah or not really? Nah, Now that you just
Speaker 2: mentioned it, I am.
Speaker 1: But because every human likes that, mate, we all want
Speaker 1: to be part of something.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's build so quick too. Like the
Speaker 2: one in Newcastle started a year ago with like four
Speaker 2: or five blokes, they've got fifty or sixty blokes turn
Speaker 2: wow to each session surface a bit of everything, a
Speaker 2: bit of everything for x footy players, surfers, mate ex crims, whatever,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There's no judgments.
Speaker 2: There's no judgments. Yeah, it's blokes that have come out
Speaker 2: of a drug and rehab rehab that really come down
Speaker 2: and love it because it gives them a bit of
Speaker 2: a purpose. They've got something to get up for the
Speaker 2: next day. It's whoever, whoever wants to come and join
Speaker 2: in like it's and not like now the women are
Speaker 2: starting to jump in. You've got a lot of women
Speaker 2: jumping into it as well. Maruba have got ten or
Speaker 2: so girls, young girls that come down and jump in
Speaker 2: and smash the session with the boys. So now that's
Speaker 2: the other thing to make it more women inclusive as well.
Speaker 2: I'd love to get more women on the challenge because
Speaker 2: then the other thing is when you've got mum and
Speaker 2: dad doing the challenge, the healthy living and the healthy
Speaker 2: lifestyle filters down to the rest of the family without
Speaker 2: even saying anything. We get a bit of feedback.
Speaker 1: May we do what we see? Yep, we do, don't
Speaker 1: do what we're told?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kidkeys, I tell you kids to eat that,
Speaker 2: eat that. But if they see Mum and dad cooking
Speaker 2: healthy and then we get a few few people coming
Speaker 2: back with a bit of feedback saying, the kids want
Speaker 2: to prepare the with me, the kids want to come up, jump,
Speaker 2: jump up in the morning and come for a run
Speaker 2: with me. So that there's that element of it as
Speaker 2: well that we get a bit of feedback about.
Speaker 1: As well, especially if you start introducing your kids to
Speaker 1: things like breath work, these unusual things. Breath work. Maybe
Speaker 1: not a it doesn't have to be a cold plunch
Speaker 1: it could you just.
Speaker 2: Jump in the ocean, jump in the ocean, jumping.
Speaker 1: And walking around the grass like I remember when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, I had a pair of thongs.
Speaker 2: So that was it.
Speaker 1: Summer come so schools at school, so the only I
Speaker 1: had two bit shoes, a pair of sanches and a
Speaker 1: pair of school shoes and a pair of thongs. In
Speaker 1: the summer it was thongs or barefoot everywhere. You know
Speaker 1: in those days, you know you're stepping on Bindi's those
Speaker 1: bindie things just getting cats, I said, and the plucking
Speaker 1: about it like if a kid they stood and they
Speaker 1: freak out.
Speaker 2: You know, you just step on, step on, a up,
Speaker 2: a bit of resilience, a step.
Speaker 1: On a nail, and then you be down the door
Speaker 1: to getting a and a shot. I mean a number
Speaker 1: of times I've got on those things and I reckon.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like some old dude, but
Speaker 1: I just think that, and I think my Grandson's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about is I've got three grandsons. I think
Speaker 1: about they ever going to experience that sort of stuff
Speaker 1: or is it going to be their life is going
Speaker 1: to be about like protecting and make sure that don't
Speaker 1: put your shoes on there's bees around here, or put
Speaker 1: your shoes on you might step on a rusty ale.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to get the rusty air and
Speaker 1: in their foot, But at the same time, it's a
Speaker 1: fine line. I do want them to experience some life
Speaker 1: like it's funny, you know, my you know when my grandson,
Speaker 1: one of my second eldest grandson, my son said me
Speaker 1: a photograph of him on the weekend. And this is
Speaker 1: like eleven o'clock at night, Saturday night. And when you
Speaker 1: get a message from your son.
Speaker 2: Eleventh's what's happening. So he's.
Speaker 1: He's at the hospital and in Sydney, my grandson who's
Speaker 1: won one one year and it's three weeks old. Why
Speaker 1: old as they come? And he climbed up on top
Speaker 1: of a bean bag and fell off onto a concrete floor.
Speaker 1: So he opened his head up. He's got the biggest
Speaker 1: gash on his head, like big gash on his head.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and the worst part about is, you know
Speaker 1: he got there at nine o'clock, at nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 1: The worst part I was still at eleven waiting for
Speaker 1: someone to come to stitch them up. That's the hospital system,
Speaker 1: because as that the Prince wils but and.
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: And he stitched up now and he got three stitches,
Speaker 1: and he said he's got a bend. And I thought himself, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's sort of I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: sort of okay too.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, it's another wrong.
Speaker 1: And his older brother was crying and I said, and
Speaker 1: I thought, well that's okay too. You see your little
Speaker 1: brother get injured, you feel something, and that's something you
Speaker 1: never forget when you're when you're six or seven and
Speaker 1: your little brother's one, you will never forget that incident
Speaker 1: and those little sort of natural humor and things that
Speaker 1: happened to us, Like that was the same before running
Speaker 1: around with your bare feet on the grass and standing
Speaker 1: on a little flower that might have been gett a
Speaker 1: beasting mate. They're all they're all nature's warnings.
Speaker 2: And builds up a bit of resilience, up, a bit
Speaker 2: of grit.
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, we need it. I think we need it.
Speaker 1: And then also your eight week challenge, it's sort of
Speaker 1: an older person's version of what I just said, Like
Speaker 1: it's about being natural. Stop drinking. What would you eat,
Speaker 1: eat well, sleep well, train your ass off, have a goal.
Speaker 1: Talk to your mates about it, because train your ass
Speaker 1: off on your own is really hard. Talk to your
Speaker 1: mates about it. Watch the day there down because you'd
Speaker 1: be rest sure you're gonna have a ship day. Pick
Speaker 1: each other up, Say come on, mate, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: If I turn up, I altern it because I know
Speaker 1: you're turning up because.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't want to let you down. Totally, really like
Speaker 1: this morning, I didn't train because I've got a bit
Speaker 1: later and a bit late. And but if I was
Speaker 1: meeting someone, there's no way in the world if I
Speaker 1: went to bed at two in the morning, I was
Speaker 1: still turned up at six because I don't want to
Speaker 1: let someone down. Not myself, but I'll let myself down
Speaker 1: every time. But if I got someone else, I don't
Speaker 1: want to let him down. So I think that community
Speaker 1: thing is really important. Change. He's a ripper, I got.
Speaker 1: It's funny talking about a blake who we know needs
Speaker 1: to do something about his training regime. And again said him,
Speaker 1: beget him on the out we challenge. Yeah, maybe we
Speaker 1: should build a little group and him and a.
Speaker 2: Few others get up on die chapter go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's a Rooster's guy, so we could do
Speaker 1: another another rounded either everywhere. You're not going to tell
Speaker 1: me that bunny support support, Oh my god. And so
Speaker 1: it was ours pumping what's wrong?
Speaker 2: All of my best mates Fish from Rubra, Mark Fisher
Speaker 2: who's good mates with Ginge and Ginge two of my
Speaker 2: best mates Risters two of my best closest friends. So
Speaker 2: I'm used to it mate, And then I know of
Speaker 2: Trent Robot well another obviously the coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, surround advice everywhere. So I want to wish the
Speaker 1: best for the date in February, third February. I want
Speaker 1: to wish the best for the third. I want to
Speaker 1: be more. You don't need. I want to wish all
Speaker 1: the people join up the best outcome. That's great. It's
Speaker 1: a great, great initiative and like, if you're listening and
Speaker 1: you want to get motivated, it's called the eight week Challenge.
Speaker 2: Is Big Challenge, Gate Challenge.
Speaker 1: So is there a website.
Speaker 2: Website, Yeah, we'll put them on the link below.
Speaker 1: Okay, go there, get a gang together. Register whenever the
Speaker 1: time comes to registration and all brack.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks, thanks mark mate, thank you