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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook, Craig, Anthony Harp coming at you. I

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Speaker 1: was going to say live, but fully recorded at live

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Speaker 1: as we're doing it, but fully recorded as you're experiencing

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Speaker 1: it from the You project. Hi, Tiff high aps, how

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Speaker 2: I'm very good? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are you? Fuck at e? Fuck? Yeah? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: Friday morning. It's ten twenty in Suburbs, ten twenty in Suburbs.

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Speaker 1: Soon I'll be.

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Speaker 2: Able to play a little melody as you're seeing that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just played you something funny that Melissa sent me,

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Speaker 1: so I guess we can tell people this. So one

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Speaker 1: of the things that you have to do when you

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Speaker 1: have show sponsors is you have to do you have

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Speaker 1: to record stuff. So what's called a pre roll, a

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Speaker 1: and it Tiff and I were talking about how we

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Speaker 1: it's great, but you know, there's not too many stumbles

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Speaker 1: or stutters, and we're not restarting, and we're not fucking

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Speaker 1: literally a script, how I can fuck it up? Thirteen

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Speaker 2: And I apologize to the listeners, because if I could

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Speaker 1: Fortunately she's a little bit like me, and that she's

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Speaker 1: But I get frustrated. Then I go and I'm back

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Speaker 1: midwhile eighteen today, where so I go from completely in

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Speaker 1: is amazing how And we were talking about before. One

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Speaker 1: send me a message say, hey, Craig, could you do

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Speaker 2: It's a whole different thing. I just told you. I

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Speaker 1: so it could be shit, right. But they every week

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Speaker 1: Ergo nearly two thousand episodes of a podcast and twenty

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Speaker 2: I think when I started, my biggest gift was impatience.

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Speaker 2: we connected and they were grateful or they were they

428
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Speaker 2: had humility, And I was like, Oh, that's what, Like,

429
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: that's a lesson in life, right, How do you want

430
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: to make an impact on anyone, just walk into the

431
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: room with some humility. Yeah, are the ones I remember.

432
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Speaker 1: When I spoke to Mark at the end, You're exactly right.

433
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That is a really good point.

434
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: It's like what happens outside the interview that often has

435
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Speaker 1: the most impact. And I got off and I went,

436
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: I think I said to him something like, I mean

437
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: this in the nicest possible way. You're not at all

438
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: what I expected. And I go, I want to be

439
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: your friend, like I want to hang out. And I said,

440
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: I know we can't, and I know. He goes, we

441
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: can be friends, and I go, I can't remember where

442
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: he lives, like Colorado or something. And I'm like, if

443
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: I ever come there, can I visit you. He's like,

444
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: of course you can stay. I'm like, fuck, yeah, like

445
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: such a good which was maybe he was just being nice,

446
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: but and my last one. And I'll shut up after

447
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: this and let you go wherever you want to go.

448
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: But just thinking, I don't know if you remember. I

449
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you I don't think you were on it,

450
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: or maybe you edit it or not. But this beautiful

451
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: old dude called Professor Amid Goswami yep, and he was

452
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: like a professor of theoretical physics, and fucking we spoke

453
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: about quantum theory and the intersection of quantum theory and

454
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: physics and spirituality, and I'm like, this, fuck, I'm more.

455
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: I literally said, like, we've been talking for about eight minutes,

456
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: and I honestly thought to myself, and this is not

457
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: even me being self deprecating. I was just out of

458
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: my depth. I was so out of my depth. I'm like,

459
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: he thinks, because he knows I'm doing a PhD, he

460
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: thinks I'm smart. And I had to I said to him, professor, professor,

461
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and he goes, yes, Craig, and he's eighty four, right,

462
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: And I said, I think I'm too dumb to be

463
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: in this conversation. And he laughed and he made me

464
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: feel good and told me, you know, basically how smart

465
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: I was or whatever, which was just him being nice.

466
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: But I remember, just the here's this guy who's clearly

467
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: one of the smartest people I've ever spoken to, maybe

468
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: in the top five. And he had such beautiful energy

469
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: and as you said, zero ego, like he was a

470
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: legit genius, like academic intellectual genius. Who had not a

471
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: sceric of ego.

472
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: Oh blood.

473
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: He loved it.

474
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: That had such an impact on you because I got

475
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: him for you two. And I remember saying, hey, good

476
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: luck with this one and saying at the end, there's

477
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: no way on inviting him on my show for a conversation.

478
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: I was only clinging by listening by a threat.

479
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

480
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: I love knowing how hard that was.

481
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: But I think also, like, isn't it though, where you go,

482
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: where you grow, like you go. I know we've spoken

483
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: so many times about being the dumbest in the room.

484
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: Will go be the dumbest in the room, be the worst,

485
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: be the weakest, be the white belt, be the fucking

486
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: be inadequate, be insufficient, be all of that, and be Okay,

487
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: guess what in this room with these people I'm speaking

488
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: about literal or metaphoric room, I'm the least qualified, the

489
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: least capable, the least whatever. And that is okay because

490
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: this is probably the room I will grow in the most.

491
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: And you always talk about dragging people up, and it's

492
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: like meeting people where they're at. So when you have

493
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: a conversation with him compared to when he has conversations

494
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: with other people that are probably at his academic peak. Yes,

495
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: the conversation is different. I wouldn't understand it. At least

496
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: it becomes something where you can ask the questions that

497
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: everyone listening is like, what what is that?

498
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And I think like a big part of

499
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: your job and my job is to try to talk

500
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: about stuff which can be you know, complicated or you know,

501
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: confusing or hard to explain or dissect in a way

502
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: that makes sense to as many people as possible and

503
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: is relevant. Like I think this conversation. I could be wrong,

504
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: but I think this conversation is relevant to most people

505
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: in some way because we're all got to build connection

506
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: and a pool. We've all got to be around other

507
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: people who are not like us. We've all got to

508
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: have interactions with people that don't think or speak like us,

509
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: which is everyone in the world, by the way, you know,

510
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: and then trying to navigate and negotiate that like the

511
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: places that we need to go, either literal or metaphoric,

512
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: places that we need to go that are foundational to

513
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: and integral to our ability to grow and learn and

514
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: evolve and get better. Rather than saying I'm going over

515
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: here because over here I look good. Over here, I'm

516
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: the smartest over here. People respect me, you know, and

517
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: it's really easy to do that. I've told this story

518
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: once before, but I have this, you know, where you

519
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: think you're a bit better than you are for a moment.

520
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: That's me. My whole life, right, my whole life. Ironically,

521
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I'm better than Miam and other times

522
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm dogshit and I have imposter syndrome. But

523
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I did this. I did a gig in Sydney last

524
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: year and you might have heard this story, but it

525
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: just it was like, you know, God, the universe, someone

526
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: just kicking me in the dick. Going there, you go

527
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: back down to Earth, anyway, back down to Earth. I

528
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: did a gig and I crushed it and it was

529
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: really good, he says, humbly. I crushed it and I

530
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: got all this kind of people coming up, hugs, handshakes,

531
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, photos, the whole shooting match. You know, you're

532
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: like a big fish in a small pond. I'm loving myself, sick,

533
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm on fire. My confidence is fifteen out of ten.

534
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: And then and then I leave the gig to fly

535
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: back to Melbourne. I get to one of the lounges

536
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: Virgin or whatever, and I'm in there and I'm walking

537
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: through with my little man case, just dragging it behind

538
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: me like any other corporate and this I don't know,

539
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: thirty something lady looks at me, and I thought maybe

540
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: she was in the gig, because I thought she was

541
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: looking at me and smiling, But she definitely wasn't. She

542
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: was looking past me and smiling, probably at some young

543
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: stud right, So anyway, I kind of smiled back at

544
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: her like some old fucking creepy dude, and she couldn't

545
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: have given me more of a disgusting look. Like I

546
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: didn't say anything or do anything. I just gave her

547
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: a big shit eat a cheshire cat, fucking stupid grin,

548
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: like she knows who I am, and I'll acknowledge her

549
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: because I'm ace. She didn't know at all who I was.

550
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: She just thought I was some fucking geriatric dragging a

551
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: case through the Quantis club. And I just went from

552
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: fifteen out of ten confidence to one. I got my

553
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: little coffee, I'm a little bit of chicken on a

554
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: fucking plate, sat in the corner like fucking Larry Loser,

555
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: and just tail between my legs, just quietly waited for

556
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: my plane to come, I have one never heard this

557
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: story before, oh I And it was so funny because

558
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: she looked at me with disdain and I wasn't trying

559
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: to I wasn't obviously trying to hit on her or

560
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: be inappropriate. I just looked at her in a way

561
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: which probably looked like I thought I knew her, or

562
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I thought I don't know what she thought, but my

563
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: intention definitely wasn't her experience and the look on her face,

564
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: she couldn't have been less like what I'd had half

565
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: an hour before at the auditorium with all the people,

566
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: or an hour before. It was the complete whatever the

567
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: opposite of that is, that's what I had. And I went, oh, yeah,

568
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: that's right. You are not anyone. You're just You're just

569
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: an old guy in the fucking Quantus club, you know,

570
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: lining up for a bit of chicken. So settle down,

571
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: good though, good though. And then I sat in the

572
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: corner and I it was like it was like just

573
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the moment teaching me a bit of awareness and humility.

574
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: And I honestly, obviously I didn't honestly think I was

575
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: shit hot, but it did. It was a great leveler,

576
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes for a moment you can feel

577
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: like a big deal and you feel oh yeah, yeah,

578
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And then there are moments when I feel

579
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: myself having to I feel my ego like creep up

580
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: because someone will go ah, you know, they'll say, oh,

581
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: do you do a podcast, don't you? Or yeah, my

582
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: son does a podcast too, you know, at my kitchen table,

583
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I want.

584
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: To go Ye're not the same, not the same, And

585
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: I go, ah, that's great, oh yeah, yeah, he's really

586
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: good at you know whatever, And like part of me

587
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: wants to go blah blah blah, and I just go

588
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: not shut up, pull your head in.

589
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, even I mean, even though this

590
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: is the stuff that we talk about. It's like you

591
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: can know how to get in shape, but not be

592
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: in shape, right because you don't do the work. Yeah,

593
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: you can know how to you know, write an essay

594
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: or do an exam, but you don't starty, or you

595
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: don't do the research, or you don't do the work,

596
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: so you don't get it done. And you can understand

597
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: how ego works in self esteem and self loathing, and

598
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: you can intellectually understand all that shit but still battle

599
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: it on a daily basis.

600
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: That's what I love at the moment about coaching is

601
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: you're always in it. I'm always in it. I'm always

602
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: able to reflect and get better and realize where I'm

603
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: shit and teach something and learn from what I'm teaching,

604
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: or see that I haven't learned from what I'm teaching

605
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: and need to.

606
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the same same. I did a coaching session.

607
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I want to say her surname, but with a lady

608
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: this morning named Melissa, not the Melissa or another Melissa,

609
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just really shed to me essentially at

610
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: the end, we've only done four sessions, and she goes,

611
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: she also has a therapist and a bunch has a

612
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: old team, right, and she goes, I really like how

613
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: it's just freestyle And she didn't say that exactly, but she, yeah,

614
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: how how real and raw and like, I will talk

615
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: about my shit when it's appropriate, when it kind of

616
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: it's relevant to what we're talking about. And I think

617
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: that I think when people not that you or I

618
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: are the high watermark for success by any means, but

619
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: I think when people go, oh, they're doing okay, and

620
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: they're fucking idiots, so maybe I can do okay, you know,

621
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: or not they're idiots, but their flawed. They've got issues

622
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: they're dealing with. And it's like I've said many times,

623
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: if I wait until I've got no issues or no

624
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: flaws and I've got all my shit together to present,

625
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: then well I will never present. I will never do

626
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: a podcast. I'll never coach anyone because I'm never going

627
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: to be optimal me. I'm going to be hopefully better me.

628
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a kind of improved version of me.

629
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: But do I ever do I ever respond poorly? Yes?

630
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: Do I get trapped an ego? Or do I waste time?

631
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Or am I inefficient? We were going to talk about that,

632
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: but this is how inefficient we are. We didn't even

633
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: get around to talking about efficiency and productivity. That's how

634
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: fucking bad you and I are.

635
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: And I had my notebook ready because I'm focusing on

636
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: it a lot lately and I wanted to take notes.

637
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: Well, I do have some thoughts about it, So we

638
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: won't do it now because we've been inefficient, But we

639
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: will come back. I promise you everyone, TIF and I

640
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Speaker 1: will do a podcast in the next seven days. I

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Speaker 1: do have some strong thoughts and ideas and advice. And

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Speaker 1: this is from somebody who probably from two people who

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Speaker 1: have an amazing capacity to fucking waste time and energy,

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Speaker 1: achieving not much so I don't know if we are experts,

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Speaker 1: but we're definitely experts at wasting time. I think I've

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Speaker 1: gotten better and you've gotten better over the years, so

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Speaker 1: we'll do that. But nice chat, Cookie, I loved it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks,