Speaker 1: Sharing well good evening.
Speaker 2: Tonight, the scandal surrounding Channel nine deepens with shocking allegations
Speaker 2: that the company betrayed the confidence of a high profile
Speaker 2: female presenter when she raised concerns about sacked newsboss Darren Wick.
Speaker 2: The on air star was horrified to discover that soon
Speaker 2: after discussing her concerns through the appropriate channels at nine,
Speaker 2: her confidence was breached almost immediately when the top news
Speaker 2: exec was told about the complaint against him. Our latest
Speaker 2: revelation about the toxic culture and the mishandling of serious
Speaker 2: complaints comes as I can also reveal tonight that the
Speaker 2: chief executive.
Speaker 1: Of nine planned a staff conference.
Speaker 2: Where there would have been a humiliating ice bath challenge.
Speaker 2: Senior women were horrified that they were being asked to
Speaker 2: strip down to their swimwear and jump into freezing water.
Speaker 1: In front of colleagues. The plan was later abandoned.
Speaker 2: It's also emerged that Vic had multiple consensual relationships with
Speaker 2: women working for him, as well as being accused of
Speaker 2: sexually harassing others. According to a senior company figure who
Speaker 2: spoke to me, because they're so concerned about events at nine,
Speaker 2: a famous presenter went to the people and Culture Department
Speaker 2: to confide in them about Wick and his toxic management style.
Speaker 2: Wick was her direct boss, yet he refused to speak
Speaker 2: to her or respond.
Speaker 1: To emails, texts, or calls.
Speaker 2: The woman requested that HR deal with her initial conversation
Speaker 2: in strict confidence, as she hadn't yet decided whether to
Speaker 2: formalize her complaint against Wick, the most powerful man in
Speaker 2: the news division. Yet her concerns were immediately conveyed to
Speaker 2: Wick and her identity was also revealed. Now, the senior
Speaker 2: nine figure who was familiar with the events that unfolded,
Speaker 2: told me that the woman was horrified that her conversation
Speaker 2: hadn't been kept confidential and that her trust had been breached.
Speaker 2: This is now the third nine employee known to have
Speaker 2: raised concerns formally about Wick. The first is the woman
Speaker 2: whose complaint led to his departure this year. The second
Speaker 2: is the woman we raised here last night who had
Speaker 2: raised the toxic culture at nine with a board director.
Speaker 2: And now this presenter is the third. Now when not
Speaker 2: accusing HR staff of telling Wick themselves, only that the
Speaker 2: supposedly confidential process at nine failed, the loss of confidence
Speaker 2: in the HR department has been raised in the past
Speaker 2: week amid concerns that women don't feel safe to raise
Speaker 2: complaints about their superiors, and these concerns fed into the
Speaker 2: email by Channel nine chief executive Mike Sneezeby to staff
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, when he gave assurances that the HR process
Speaker 2: was confidential. He said in the email, if you raise
Speaker 2: an issue, including making a complaint, our processes are designed
Speaker 2: to ensure the confidentiality and protection for the individual, as
Speaker 2: well as the confidentiality of the person who the complaint
Speaker 2: is directed at. He said this is critical no matter
Speaker 2: what level you are in our business to ensure you
Speaker 2: feel safe to make a complaint and know that it
Speaker 2: will be handled seriously and discreetly. In the email, he
Speaker 2: also said that making complaints about inappropriate conduct wouldn't be
Speaker 2: career damaging.
Speaker 1: Now I can.
Speaker 2: Report that Sneezbey is understood to have broken his working
Speaker 2: holiday in Los Angeles to fly home to deal with
Speaker 2: this crisis. He didn't respond to my questions or calls today.
Speaker 2: My questions were about why Wick, who had a complaint
Speaker 2: point of inappropriate behavior leveled at him, was allowed back
Speaker 2: in the office for at least six hours on April
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, and whether this was a failure to protect
Speaker 2: employees and to provide them with a safe working environment.
Speaker 1: It's also understood that Wick was given a large payout.
Speaker 2: Now I do know I have confirmed the identity of
Speaker 2: the woman who made the complaint against Wick that led
Speaker 2: to his departure, and of course we will keep this confidential,
Speaker 2: along with all other details about her.
Speaker 1: But my understanding is she hasn't received any.
Speaker 2: Compensation as yet, while Wick has received a large payout
Speaker 2: and her matter against the company is understood to be ongoing.
Speaker 2: It's not yet clear at all whether the claim she's
Speaker 2: made against Wick will or won't affect her career. And
Speaker 2: why Wick was allowed back in the office was a
Speaker 2: question that one female employee at nine asked when Corporate
Speaker 2: Affairs boss Victoria Bucken, hrboss Vanessa Morley and TV executive
Speaker 2: Michael Healey addressed.
Speaker 1: All staff at three o'clock yesterday.
Speaker 2: Well, they were told that it was so he could
Speaker 2: return his equipment and collect his belongings. Now Sky News
Speaker 2: has learned of a culture under Darren Wick where he
Speaker 2: refused to engage with some staff, which was seen by
Speaker 2: them as a tactic to keep reporters, often women, on edge,
Speaker 2: while he forged extremely close bonds with others, so close,
Speaker 2: in fact, that Vic had multiple consensual relationships with either
Speaker 2: direct reports or junior.
Speaker 3: Employees in the newsroom.
Speaker 2: One of his relationships was with a nine News reporter
Speaker 2: and another with a producer who was promoted to an
Speaker 2: interstate role. This created an unhealthy environment amid allegations of favoritism.
Speaker 2: There's now deep on rest at nine this week, as
Speaker 2: women debate whether or not to come forward to HR
Speaker 2: with their experience of experiences of harassment while they worked
Speaker 2: at one of the country's biggest TV networks. Even before
Speaker 2: our revelations this week about Wick's history of alleged inappropriate behavior,
Speaker 2: company morale was low. Confidential sources tell me that the
Speaker 2: recent staff engagement survey across the entire nine group recorded
Speaker 2: scores in the low sixties, reflecting both on the culture
Speaker 2: at the company and Mike Sneezebe's own leadership.
Speaker 1: Senior women were.
Speaker 2: Also appalled by the plan to hold a staff conference
Speaker 2: in Bowrel around eighteen months ago that would feature an.
Speaker 3: Ice bath challenge.
Speaker 2: It would have subjected some of the company's most senior
Speaker 2: female employees to a humiliating public viewing in their swimwear
Speaker 2: in freezing temperatures.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Our revelations tonight come after a nine network star told
Speaker 2: me in an emotional interview yesterday that Vic had groped
Speaker 2: her and breathed heavily down her neck at the Logis
Speaker 2: after party in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: She said he had his hands everywhere and she had
Speaker 1: to peel him off her.
Speaker 2: She said she might have kicked or pushed him if
Speaker 2: he was any other man, but he was a boss.
Speaker 2: She also expressed concerns held by multiple nine female employees
Speaker 2: about the head of Communications, Victoria Bucken. She said that
Speaker 2: while Buckan's job has nothing to do with HR, it
Speaker 2: did involve working, and it does involve working with talent,
Speaker 2: including young women, and the star said she would brush
Speaker 2: aside any suggestion of inappropriate behavior, saying that's just wiki.
Speaker 2: But the presenter's most damning remarks were for the board
Speaker 2: member who ignored her concerns about the toxic culture at nine.
Speaker 1: She said there was no.
Speaker 2: Assistance provided by the network to source the leaks, stamp
Speaker 2: out the toxic behavior, or change the culture. She said,
Speaker 2: after bod level, there's nowhere to go, and I was
Speaker 2: fearful of losing my job. Nine newspapers and television thus
Speaker 2: far have failed to report in this scandal that the
Speaker 2: network is facing. But Ray Hadley, who is ass senior
Speaker 2: He's untouchable today, said that the bad behavior has to stop,
Speaker 2: and he even offered to intervene and support women who
Speaker 2: had experienced issues.
Speaker 4: No young woman in any workplace, whether it's nine Radio
Speaker 4: nine entertainment, generally, should have to put up with unwandered advances.
Speaker 4: No woman who reports such behavior should not expect, of course,
Speaker 4: to be facing recriminations. And if you wished me to
Speaker 4: become involved, I'm happy privately become involved, not publicly privately,
Speaker 4: I'm available. A couple of young women have already reached
Speaker 4: out to me, and I'm happy to not give you advice,
Speaker 4: but just direct you to where you should go. The
Speaker 4: lines have been drawn in the sand. The CEO, Mike Sneezeby,
Speaker 4: has laid the ground rules, so be assured any complaint
Speaker 4: about this sort of behavior will be dealt with promptly
Speaker 4: and discreetly, particularly if that's how you want to handle.
Speaker 4: And don't think this is simply the domain of nine Entertainment.
Speaker 4: It's happened and probably still happening in other workplaces, and
Speaker 4: I'll tell you one thing, it's bloody.
Speaker 5: We've got to stop.
Speaker 1: Strong remarks there from Ray Hadley.
Speaker 2: Now Fine nine finally announced Wick's replacement today after months
Speaker 2: in former a current affairs boss for Your Nadea, she
Speaker 2: appealed to staff to support her in the role in
Speaker 2: a video leak to us.
Speaker 6: To the news leadership team that I've been a part
Speaker 6: of for the last I don't know how long.
Speaker 7: I can't really think today.
Speaker 6: I need all of you guys so badly, so can
Speaker 6: we please do it together?
Speaker 8: I want to do this together.
Speaker 3: This is not a captain's thing.
Speaker 7: This is We've got to do this together.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about this with my panel in
Speaker 2: a moment. But also tonight, yet another bungle. Immigration Minister
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles once again refuses to resign after a release
Speaker 2: detainee was charged with murder. Also tonight, the harrowing new
Speaker 2: footage that exposes Hermasa's atrocities against young women. It's distressing
Speaker 2: but timely given the comparisons being made completely wrongly between
Speaker 2: Israel and these terrorists. Former British commander Richard Kemp would
Speaker 2: join me live in studio.
Speaker 1: He's in Australia to discuss this.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Prime Minister finally fronts the media only to
Speaker 2: deflect blame after refusing to defend Israel against the ICC's
Speaker 2: disgraceful charges.
Speaker 1: But now let's bring it to No It's panel.
Speaker 2: Sky News hosts Steve Price and Perth maare Basil zemplus.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Steve, Look, let's first touch.
Speaker 2: On this nine scandal that we've been reporting on and
Speaker 2: breaking news of every single day this week. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's surprising that nine hasn't been reporting about this
Speaker 2: topic in the papers or on TV, despite going so
Speaker 2: hard against their commercial rival Channel seven Spotlight program when
Speaker 2: they were being exposed for allegations of poor behavior.
Speaker 8: Of course, I'm in your story today is page one
Speaker 8: of the Herald Sun in Melbourne. But I listened to
Speaker 8: much of the morning radio program on throughout w which
Speaker 8: nine owns not a mention of it at all, and
Speaker 8: I pat on the back my old mate Ray Hadley
Speaker 8: for bringing it up on two GB. Not one word
Speaker 8: of it in the Age newspaper, not one word of
Speaker 8: it in the Sydney Morning Herald. Now those two newspapers
Speaker 8: in particular, they've always been an odd fit to the
Speaker 8: nine corporate feeling in the company, the way that that
Speaker 8: company operates. But you would think, given how strong they
Speaker 8: are in these matters of the treatment of women, whether
Speaker 8: it be domestic violence or workplace attitudes toward women, that
Speaker 8: they may have had the courage today to come out,
Speaker 8: report your story, back it up, ask questions themselves. But
Speaker 8: there has been a deafening silence, and that's disgraceful.
Speaker 2: Now, Basil, you know you're Perth Mayre, but you're obviously
Speaker 2: aligned with the seven network. I mean, we saw such
Speaker 2: a strong campaign of mostly legitimate news reporting from the
Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald, you know, in its newspages, in its
Speaker 2: gossip columns, but nine Television as well a current affair,
Speaker 2: all their television programs against Channel seven when the spotlight
Speaker 2: scandal was unfolding. But yet not a word, even though
Speaker 2: so many women, I mean, we've been reporting every night
Speaker 2: this week, more women, more women, more women are coming
Speaker 2: forward with quite serious allegations of inappropriate conduct or sexual
Speaker 2: harassment that they've experienced at Channel nine.
Speaker 7: They're very serious allegations. That's the first thing that needs
Speaker 7: to be said. And the culture that evidently or apparently
Speaker 7: has existed is a very poor one, and it is refreshing,
Speaker 7: I think to see Ray Hadley take a lead and
Speaker 7: perhaps that is the first domino within the group to fall.
Speaker 7: I'll also say, though, just because one group might choose
Speaker 7: to report about another in a certain way doesn't mean
Speaker 7: it has to be reciprocated. And ultimately, these are decisions
Speaker 7: for the Nine Network and the Nine Group to decide
Speaker 7: how they're going to report about affairs within their own organization.
Speaker 7: They need to make the decision now, how do we
Speaker 7: want to reflect, how do we want to be portrayed
Speaker 7: from this point in and how do we want history
Speaker 7: to judge we have dealt with these very serious actionsations
Speaker 7: that have been made against one of our executives. I'll
Speaker 7: also say that as somebody who's been in television and
Speaker 7: continues in television at around the thirty year mark, just
Speaker 7: just full stop, it doesn't make you feel good as
Speaker 7: somebody who's been involved in this industry to hear these
Speaker 7: sorts of allegations. Television today is a very different place
Speaker 7: to what it was when I first joined thirty years ago,
Speaker 7: and twenty years before that, and even fifteen or ten
Speaker 7: years ago, but it clearly needs to continue to evolve.
Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that. This behavior is very very poor.
Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed it is.
Speaker 2: And you know when I did that interview yesterday with
Speaker 2: a female presenter, and when I spoke to her yesterday,
Speaker 2: hearing the emotion the tears as we spoke, you know,
Speaker 2: it really brings it home.
Speaker 1: Just how much this matters.
Speaker 2: Now after growing calls for Australia to perhaps boycott, maybe
Speaker 2: withdraw from the ICC that's the International Criminal Court, after
Speaker 2: its decision this week to issue arrest warrant for Benjamin
Speaker 2: Netanyahu alongside hermas Well. Once again, Albanezi has refused to
Speaker 2: directly comment on the ICC. Instead, he just shifted the blame,
Speaker 2: can you believe it to the Howard government.
Speaker 1: Have a look which.
Speaker 9: Actually was signed up to, of course not by my government,
Speaker 9: but by the Howard government when Alexander Downer was the
Speaker 9: Foreign Minister. So it's up to them, I think, to
Speaker 9: explain those decisions at that time, be very clear about
Speaker 9: what's happened to here. There's been an application, there's been
Speaker 9: no determination by the ICC against any individual or anybody
Speaker 9: at this point in time.
Speaker 7: If they do proceed with the restaurant, there.
Speaker 9: Hasn't been and I don't respond to hypothetic alls about
Speaker 9: court cases that haven't.
Speaker 10: Occurred with respect.
Speaker 9: We also call for since then a humanitarian cease fire.
Speaker 1: Steve, can you get a more week? A worse PM?
Speaker 1: He won't even rule out that should.
Speaker 2: Natanyahu come to Australia, which obviously is not going to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be arrested. Can the PM get any worse?
Speaker 8: Well, it got worse again today. His response today was
Speaker 8: even more confused. Its weak leadership and I think the
Speaker 8: Labor Party has a real problem here. Anthony Albanezi is
Speaker 8: being shown to be a weak man. Now. I looked
Speaker 8: back for the reason that it was two years ago
Speaker 8: Tuesday this week that Anthony Albanesi stood at an RSL
Speaker 8: club in Sydney and claimed the prime ministership. I watched
Speaker 8: the whole speech of him claiming that victory over Scott
Speaker 8: Morrison back to write a column about it for the
Speaker 8: Herald Sun this week, and the one thing that he
Speaker 8: kept going back to was his main focus was going
Speaker 8: to be as Prime Minister, shari to bring the country
Speaker 8: together his words, not mine, accusing Morrison of being the
Speaker 8: visive and he said he was going to bring the
Speaker 8: country together now, I've been around a long time, even
Speaker 8: longer than Basil. I can't remember a time when Australia
Speaker 8: has been more divided than it is today. I'd have
Speaker 8: to go all the way back to the early seventies
Speaker 8: in the Vietnam War to remember a time like that.
Speaker 8: And I think Anthony Albanizi has to step up now
Speaker 8: and show leadership, or someone into his own party is
Speaker 8: going to start saying this bloke doesn't deserve to be
Speaker 8: the boss.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: We are seeing this unprecedented level of anti Semitism. But
Speaker 2: the issue is, and you know, I've been saying this
Speaker 2: for a while, and it just keeps getting worse that
Speaker 2: Albanasi is making it worse by refusing to call out
Speaker 2: the ICC, by refusing to say, no, we can't equate
Speaker 2: Natanyahoo with har Maas.
Speaker 1: This isn't right.
Speaker 2: He's making it worse because he's telling everyone, all those protesters,
Speaker 2: all those students, everyone at home, that actually Israel might
Speaker 2: be committing war crimes, that it should be arrested, that
Speaker 2: it's PM should be arrested for crimes against humanity when
Speaker 2: and this just fans the flames of antisemitism, when in
Speaker 2: fact the opposite is true. You know, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go into the detail of that a bit later with
Speaker 2: Richard Camp when I interview him.
Speaker 1: But Basil, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2: You know my view, he's making the anti Semitism crisis
Speaker 2: worse by not shutting down these falsehoods.
Speaker 7: I think Peter Dutton's got an absolutely spot on He's
Speaker 7: used very simple language to explain what's happened here with
Speaker 7: the Prime minister. He said the Prime Minister has squibbed
Speaker 7: it and that is exactly what he has done. He
Speaker 7: has refused to take any responsibility or even take a position.
Speaker 7: I mean that blaming that John the Howard government ridiculous.
Speaker 7: No matter how we signed up to it or how
Speaker 7: we became a part of it. The issue for consideration
Speaker 7: is what is happening right now. And sometimes here in
Speaker 7: Australia we look at Joe Biden and wonder about how
Speaker 7: he became the President of the United States or what
Speaker 7: sort of a leader he is. But Joe Biden has
Speaker 7: spoken out against what's happened with the ICC, and incredibly
Speaker 7: incredibly Anthony Albanezi has not. Who is he fearful of?
Speaker 7: Why won't he take a strong position. Who is he
Speaker 7: trying to appease with this very wishy was she view?
Speaker 7: And again I say, Peter Dutton got it spot on.
Speaker 7: He squibbed it here, the Prime Minister. That's not what
Speaker 7: we want. We want leadership in times like this and
Speaker 7: we're not getting it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2: Now over to the US, and you mentioned Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: will Nikki Haley, who was once Donald Trump's rival, and
Speaker 2: she only had unkind words about to say about him,
Speaker 2: which is now saying that she will vote for him
Speaker 2: in November.
Speaker 11: Have a look, I put my priorities on a president
Speaker 11: who's going to have the backs of our allies and
Speaker 11: hold our enemies to account, who would secure the border,
Speaker 11: no more excuses. Trump has not been perfect on these policies.
Speaker 11: I have made that clear many many times. But Biden
Speaker 11: has been a catastrophe.
Speaker 1: Steve.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't overwhelming support for Trump, but you
Speaker 2: know she's going to have to get behind him.
Speaker 3: She's going to have to be a loyal.
Speaker 8: Republican with friends like Nicki Haley, who needs enemies. Really,
Speaker 8: I mean, it was quite a performance. She came out
Speaker 8: there and said, well, you know, Donald Trump. I don't
Speaker 8: really like him, but I hate Joe Biden more, and
Speaker 8: so I'm going to vote for Donald Trump. I mean,
Speaker 8: it would have been ridiculous if she said something different
Speaker 8: to that, and that was going to support Biden. But
Speaker 8: all the points she raises about the weakness of Joe
Speaker 8: Biden are absolutely correct. Donald Trump, obviously going to court
Speaker 8: every day in New York, got his own problems. He
Speaker 8: would probably look at Nicky Haley and say, gee, thanks
Speaker 8: a lot.
Speaker 1: Now just over in your neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: Actually, Steve opposition leader John Pursuito reportedly ditched a Liberal
Speaker 2: Party multicultural dinner and she the night. Well, the reports are,
Speaker 2: the claims are that he was told he couldn't make
Speaker 2: a speech. Now Basil apparently we're also hearing that John
Speaker 2: Persudo and Peter Dutton on not having such a good
Speaker 2: relationship at the moment.
Speaker 7: Look, sometimes there is a blue on behind the scenes
Speaker 7: because of how people have been treated, what role they've
Speaker 7: been given, what opportunity to speak, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 7: And either side of the argument may well be right,
Speaker 7: But what really matters. The only thing, in fact it
Speaker 7: matters with this stuff behind the scenes or the internal stuff,
Speaker 7: is what the perception of the public is and the
Speaker 7: perception of the public when they hear things like this
Speaker 7: is this is school yard stuff. It reflects very poorly
Speaker 7: on the individuals, and it reflects poorly on the party.
Speaker 7: And so every consideration, no matter how aggrieved somebody might
Speaker 7: feel about a situation they've been dealt. Come on, they
Speaker 7: have to make assessments. Come on, how will this play
Speaker 7: out to day?
Speaker 8: They hate each other, They can't stand one. Haven't spoken
Speaker 8: for me, consideration, they haven't spoken for me.
Speaker 7: Are we going to expressing that?
Speaker 2: I have a question, Steve, I have a question for you, Steve.
Speaker 2: Does anyone like John Persuto?
Speaker 8: No? I don't think his dog even likes I mean, seriously,
Speaker 8: the bloke came out today and said there'll be no
Speaker 8: nuclear power in Victoria. We don't support nuclear power for Victoria.
Speaker 8: I mean, goodness, gracious. I mean the Premier to Senator
Speaker 8: Allen today said it was toxic and we're never going
Speaker 8: to have it and it's dangerous. What if John Persuito
Speaker 8: wants to get elected when the next election is two
Speaker 8: years away, what does he say on we can't have
Speaker 8: nuclear power here? I mean, the bloke is a dud
Speaker 8: and the sooner the Liberal Party in Victoria get rid
Speaker 8: of him, the better off will all be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, the worrying thing is the Liberals could
Speaker 2: actually have a chance to win the next state election
Speaker 2: in Victoria, but not John Persudo is the leader. But
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have any other better options anyway.
Speaker 7: I think we were actually saying the same things there, Steve.
Speaker 7: He's let it get away from him here, really, and
Speaker 7: isn't It doesn't matter, don't matter how bad he feels
Speaker 7: about how he's been treated. You can't say this stuff
Speaker 7: if it brings it out publicly and makes the party
Speaker 7: look bad. And clearly that's what's happening, all right.
Speaker 3: Vasil zamplers Steve Price.
Speaker 8: You'd get elected if you came here. We could make
Speaker 8: you premier basis.
Speaker 1: He wants to be premier.
Speaker 7: Wa.
Speaker 1: I think Perth now premier next Victoria needs all the
Speaker 1: helper can get.
Speaker 7: I reckon Still, all right.
Speaker 1: Tree, thank you both so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Now coming up distressing video of the harmasatrocities against Israel
Speaker 2: while Israel recalls ambassadors from three countries after they decide
Speaker 2: to recognize a state of Palestine from a British Commander
Speaker 2: Richard Kemp will join me live in the studio. Class
Speaker 2: will cross to London, where the Conservative government seems to
Speaker 2: be planning its own demise.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Welcome back. Well.
Speaker 2: Harrowing footage of five Israeli female soldiers being abducted during
Speaker 2: the October seven massacre has been released by their families.
Speaker 2: We're now going to show you just some of the clip,
Speaker 2: and of course I need to warn you it's distressing.
Speaker 2: This video was taken from the body cameras worn by
Speaker 2: Hamas terrorists. Now, these five young women are Israeli soldiers.
Speaker 2: There are reports from Israel that about sixty soldiers were
Speaker 2: killed at this particular outpost. The IDF has translated the
Speaker 2: video and where you can hear the chilling moment these
Speaker 2: terrorists discuss the beauty of the women they are holding captive.
Speaker 3: Have a listen, do Jan and Sean?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 1: Hey, how you have?
Speaker 10: You're beautiful?
Speaker 2: Now the families have chosen to release the footage eight
Speaker 2: months after October seven, and it is during a time
Speaker 2: of turmoil for Israel. We've seen the shocking decision by
Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court to request arrest warrants for Benjamin Nettia,
Speaker 2: who alongside Hermas, basically drawing an equivalence, a wrong equivalence.
Speaker 3: Between the two.
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by former British Commander Richard Kemp. Richard,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Look, let's start
Speaker 2: with the ICC decision. Do you think it morally confuses
Speaker 2: the oppressors with the oppressed, the victims of the October
Speaker 2: seven massacre with those who are trying to destroy them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, This attempt to arrest Netanya Who and his defense
Speaker 5: minister is nothing short of an obscenity. It's actually the
Speaker 5: ICC is a successor to the Nuremberg War tribunals after
Speaker 5: the Second World War, and it's almost the same as
Speaker 5: trying to indict Hermann Goerring and Heinrich Himmler, but also
Speaker 5: indict at the same time Winston Churchill and President. It's
Speaker 5: the same kind of attempt to have moral equivalent equivalents
Speaker 5: between vicious, brutal mass murderers and democracies that are trying
Speaker 5: to defend their own people.
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine, you know, you draw the
Speaker 2: comparison with World War Two? Can you imagine if we
Speaker 2: had the woke Left Brigade then that we have now,
Speaker 2: there'd be cause not to go defeat Hitler and the
Speaker 2: Nazis or to free people from concentration camps, because people
Speaker 2: would say, oh, you know you're going to cause civilian
Speaker 2: loss of life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and it's tragic. The civilian loss of life
Speaker 5: in Gaza is a tragedy, but it is entirely due
Speaker 5: to Hamas. If her Mass has not invaded Israel with
Speaker 5: such barbarity on the seventh of October, then there would
Speaker 5: be no war in Gaza. There would be no casualties
Speaker 5: in Gards, no deaths. It's entirely down to Hermas, and
Speaker 5: Israel has taken the most extraordinary steps to minimize civilian
Speaker 5: casualties in Gaza, despite it's the actually opposite of what
Speaker 5: so many people in the media, in the UN. In
Speaker 5: the International Criminal Court accused Israel of.
Speaker 2: Well, the ICC prosecutors relied on a panel. The panel
Speaker 2: was far from impartial, that you was stuffed with mass sympathizers.
Speaker 2: But you know, they accused Israel of crimes against humanity,
Speaker 2: of war crimes.
Speaker 3: They claim they were targeting civilians.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit about what the death
Speaker 2: told the civilian death toll figures in Gaza actually show
Speaker 2: and how they compare with other wars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the ICC is a political court, as kangaroo court,
Speaker 5: which has no jurisdiction in this case over Israel anyway.
Speaker 5: But they're nevertheless said, attempting to seize jurisdiction to prevent
Speaker 5: Israel from defending its people. And one of the main
Speaker 5: allegations is civilian casualties. By my calculations on the figures
Speaker 5: I've got available at the moment, the civilian to military
Speaker 5: death ratio is zero point eight to one. In other words,
Speaker 5: zero point eight less than one civilian killed for every
Speaker 5: competence every terrorist. And that is a terrible thing, of course,
Speaker 5: But this is a terrorist organization that is fighting hiding
Speaker 5: within its civilian population, and Israel, despital its efforts, has
Speaker 5: no choice but unfortunately, to kill civilians while trying to
Speaker 5: get to her mask. But if you yeah, I was
Speaker 5: going to say, if you compare the zero point eight
Speaker 5: to one ratio that Israel has achieved, if you look
Speaker 5: at Afghanistan and Iraq. In Afghanistan the ratio was five
Speaker 5: to one, five civilians for every terrorist killed. In Iraq,
Speaker 5: three civilians for every terrorist killed. That's by US forces
Speaker 5: a similar level probably from British forces as well, but
Speaker 5: hugely worse, I mean, and those countries did their best
Speaker 5: to minimize civilian countes as well. The Israelis have achieved
Speaker 5: a great deal better than that.
Speaker 2: Now we see the news overnight that Israel is recalling
Speaker 2: ambassadors in three countries that plan to recognize state of Palistine.
Speaker 2: And even though HAMAS is the governing body in Gaza
Speaker 2: and the Palestinian authority in the West Bank virtually agrees
Speaker 2: with the October seven terror attacks.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this move?
Speaker 5: Well, I think Israel's absolutely right to take this action.
Speaker 5: And what these countries and the United Nations General Assembly,
Speaker 5: which voted to recognize the so called state of Palestine,
Speaker 5: what these countries are doing is they are rewarding terrorism.
Speaker 5: They are rewarding Hamas supported by the Palestinian Authority, by
Speaker 5: the way, on what happened on the seventh of October.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely despicable and every country should reject this and
Speaker 5: certainly not even contemplate recognizing a state of Palestine, particularly
Speaker 5: at this time.
Speaker 2: Look, you've been in Australia for about three weeks now,
Speaker 2: what's your assessment of the levels of anti Semitism that
Speaker 2: we're experiencing here and how it compares to the UK.
Speaker 1: And the US.
Speaker 5: Well, I've spoken to many Jewish people in Australia since
Speaker 5: I came here, including quite a large number of students
Speaker 5: and high university and high school students, and they've told
Speaker 5: me many stories about the way they feel intimidated, whether
Speaker 5: it's on the streets, on university campuses or or wherever.
Speaker 5: And basically this is it's anti Israel sentiment and anti
Speaker 5: Israel action, which is basically the new form of antisemitism.
Speaker 5: It's anti Semitism in some ways in disguise exactly, and
Speaker 5: it's the similar situations that exists in the UK and
Speaker 5: the US. And actually, if you look below the surface
Speaker 5: these people, and I've spoken to students that there what
Speaker 5: I would call jew hate encampment at Sydney University. I've
Speaker 5: spoken to them. They refuse to condemn her mass. They
Speaker 5: can't really explain what they're doing there the real They
Speaker 5: even support her mass, of course, indeed.
Speaker 3: They say they say so openly.
Speaker 5: They do. And actually, if you scratch the surface of
Speaker 5: most of these protesters, they don't really know the cause.
Speaker 5: But what they do know is that they're opposed to Australia,
Speaker 5: they're opposed to Britain, they're opposed to the US. These
Speaker 5: are people who jump on the anti Israel bandwagon in
Speaker 5: many cases as a means to undermine and express their
Speaker 5: displeasure at our society and our values.
Speaker 2: Look, we hear a lot, you know, from people saying, oh,
Speaker 2: anti Zionism is distinguishable from antisemitism. And in fact, there's
Speaker 2: an entire article on the ABC website about this, by
Speaker 2: the way, even though they haven't covered the antisemitism crisis
Speaker 2: in any meaningful way. But yet you know, you look
Speaker 2: at some of the videos that the students put up,
Speaker 2: the Propalestinian students, which I have, and they're chasing Zionists
Speaker 2: of campus. Well, that is basically chasing Jews, because the
Speaker 2: majority of Jews support Israel, which is of course what
Speaker 2: Zionism means.
Speaker 5: Yeah, anti Semitism. Sorry, anti Zionism is anti Semitism, there
Speaker 5: is no doubt about that. And the reality is that
Speaker 5: these encampments, these protests, which are accelerated a lot and
Speaker 5: expanded since the seventh of October, existed in many ways
Speaker 5: before that. They exist pressure governments like the Australian government
Speaker 5: to oppose Israel's defense, oppose Israel's existence, and at the
Speaker 5: same time, the second reason for their presence is to
Speaker 5: intimidate Jews, because of course Jews are the main supporters
Speaker 5: of Israel in our countries and they try and intimidate
Speaker 5: them out of supporting Israel and succeed in many cases.
Speaker 2: We have had a lot of support from Christians here too,
Speaker 2: which has been wonderful.
Speaker 1: Richard kemb It's.
Speaker 2: Been terrific to have you tend to meet you in
Speaker 2: person as well, so thank you very much for your
Speaker 2: time and of course your trip is thanks to the
Speaker 2: Australian Jewish Association.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Thank you a great pleasure.
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to the United Kingdom now, where a
Speaker 2: very desperate Richi Sunak has called a snap.
Speaker 1: Election for the fourth of July. Have a listen to
Speaker 1: his pitch.
Speaker 12: Only a conservative government led by me will not put
Speaker 12: our hard earned economics ability at risk, can restore pride
Speaker 12: and confidence in our country, and with a clear plan
Speaker 12: and bold action, will deliver a secure future for you, your
Speaker 12: family and our United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: British political commentator Emma Webb joins me live now. Emma,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time now. This was
Speaker 2: a very dramatic movement. It was quite unexpected, the PM
Speaker 2: standing in the rain there the song things Can Only
Speaker 2: Get Better playing in the background. This is a huge
Speaker 2: gamble for Rishi soon act. So why do you think
Speaker 2: he's taken it at this particular point in time.
Speaker 13: Well, I think it's come as a shock to a
Speaker 13: lot of people, not just the Labor Party and Reform
Speaker 13: who frankly unprepared for this. The Labor Party don't have
Speaker 13: their manifesto ready to go, Reform don't even have all
Speaker 13: of their candidates selected at this point. But it was
Speaker 13: also an enormous shock to other Conservative MPs. In fact,
Speaker 13: there was talk overnight of attempts to Ourrishi Sunak in
Speaker 13: order to stop this election from taking place early. I
Speaker 13: think originally people thought that it was going to take
Speaker 13: place in the autumn, because it can still be stopped
Speaker 13: before Parliament is dissolved next Thursday. So this has been
Speaker 13: an enormous shock to his own MPs, to his own party.
Speaker 13: There are a number of reasons why he might have
Speaker 13: chosen to take this decision early. One of them is
Speaker 13: that inflation is down, which is one of his primary goals.
Speaker 13: It's down to two point three percent, which is just
Speaker 13: above the goals of the Bank of England. He's also
Speaker 13: managed to get through his legislation on Ruanda, which he's
Speaker 13: now almost using as a as a kind of threat
Speaker 13: to say that the planes won't take off unless he
Speaker 13: is Prime Minister on the fifth of July, which I
Speaker 13: think some people think is a bit of a dirty tactic.
Speaker 13: So there are a number of reasons, including as you
Speaker 13: were just speaking about, there this issue with the ICC
Speaker 13: that the Labor Party is in complete disarray over Gaza.
Speaker 13: It's having an enormous impact on our politics here. They
Speaker 13: lost Oldham Council because of the Muslim vote. We've seen
Speaker 13: George Galloway being elected again on the Muslim vote over
Speaker 13: the issue of Gaza. So when we see someone like
Speaker 13: the Shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammie coming out and standing
Speaker 13: by the ICCC, this is a big, big problem for
Speaker 13: the Labor Party. So it's possible that Rishi Sunak thought
Speaker 13: that now was as good a time as ever, given
Speaker 13: that there isn't a great deal that they can do
Speaker 13: over the summer recess.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean you just outlined some of the reasons
Speaker 2: he's called the election now, but I understand that also
Speaker 2: he was concerned about his leadership, which led him to
Speaker 2: bring forward the election so that he wasn't rolled before
Speaker 2: a later election if it was called in August. But
Speaker 2: you just said there that he might now even be
Speaker 2: ousted as a result of him calling the election, So
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like, if I'm reading that correctly,
Speaker 2: that his leadership was on the line.
Speaker 13: Either way, it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibility.
Speaker 13: There was some talk overnight, and you know, even even
Speaker 13: the Telegraph, which is some people jokingly refer to it
Speaker 13: as the Torygraph. Their headline today was things can only
Speaker 13: get wetter, and him standing in the rain and that
Speaker 13: kind of pathetic fallacy getting increasingly soaked over the course
Speaker 13: of his speech. I think, you know, it's just played
Speaker 13: into the hands of people who would accuse him of
Speaker 13: being a bit of a Tory wet So, you know,
Speaker 13: it's not completely beyond the realms of possibility. I don't
Speaker 13: think that it's going to happen, but either way, it's
Speaker 13: not good for the Conservative Party if they replace him
Speaker 13: as leader. Now, a general election has to happen before
Speaker 13: the end of the year, so you know, the chances
Speaker 13: that that would would have any positive impact at all
Speaker 13: on the Conservative Party's prospects a zero to none. So
Speaker 13: I don't think that that's necessarily going to happen. But
Speaker 13: it is possible that he's chosen to call this election now.
Speaker 13: And you know he's not. He's a very cautious person.
Speaker 13: He's not. He's not want to take risks, and I
Speaker 13: think he's had to have his arm twisted by his
Speaker 13: advisors to make this decision, to make this jump now,
Speaker 13: and he's obviously done so because he thinks that now
Speaker 13: is as good a time as any.
Speaker 2: Yeap, All right, Emma web thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Now coming up, the life of the
Speaker 2: country's largest coal fire powered station extended today after years
Speaker 2: of governments using taxpayer money to force out coal and
Speaker 2: the immigration minister finally fronts the cameras are only to
Speaker 2: pin the blame once again elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned, welcome back well.
Speaker 2: Today, New South Wales Premier Chris Mins announced that he'd
Speaker 2: extend the life of a Raring col fired power station
Speaker 2: until at least twenty twenty seven, at a cost of
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: A year.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in our political panel tonight, National Senator Matt
Speaker 2: Canavan and Sky News commentator Jason Morrison.
Speaker 1: A welcome to you both.
Speaker 5: Matt.
Speaker 2: Look, for a long time we've been discussing on this program.
Speaker 2: I've had Matt Kean, the former energy Minister and treasurer,
Speaker 2: on the show arguing that if you got rid of
Speaker 2: a wearing, there just wouldn't be enough power supply to
Speaker 2: keep the lights on in New South Wales. The math
Speaker 2: just didn't add up. It's quite incredible that it's taken
Speaker 2: a labor government to say, yeah, look we need this
Speaker 2: energy sauce.
Speaker 14: Well, look, I'm just glad common sense has prevailed.
Speaker 10: Shari.
Speaker 14: There's no doubt that the energy plan that Matt Keane
Speaker 14: presided over is an utter failure. Our problem is that
Speaker 14: he's close partner in crime. Chris Bowen is now in
Speaker 14: charge federally, and Chris is doing federally what Matt did
Speaker 14: to New South Wales over a number of years. So
Speaker 14: we're not out of the woods yet. But this arrangement
Speaker 14: is going to potentially cost taxpayers up to just over
Speaker 14: five hundred million dollars for two years, just two years,
Speaker 14: over five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8: I mean, the.
Speaker 14: Question's got to be asked here, at what point do
Speaker 14: we just bite the bullet and build a new coal
Speaker 14: fired POWERstation.
Speaker 10: They last for fifty years.
Speaker 14: It would only be at a cost of a few billions,
Speaker 14: so you'd make that back. If it's costing US two
Speaker 14: hundred three hundred million bucks a year for just one
Speaker 14: power station, we'd make our money back in less than
Speaker 14: a decade if we just built another one. And why
Speaker 14: don't we just do that? We should have done that
Speaker 14: years ago. But as the old Chinese saying goes, the
Speaker 14: best time to plan a tree was twenty years ago.
Speaker 14: The second best time is now. So let's get it done.
Speaker 2: Look, Jason Morrison, you know, I remember so clearly during
Speaker 2: the state election campaign and Chris Mins was on air
Speaker 2: with Ben Fordham and Ben said, you know, are you
Speaker 2: considering extending the life and Chris said he was. And
Speaker 2: I wondered at the time whether this is just, you know,
Speaker 2: a promise that a leader makes in the run up
Speaker 2: to an election. But the fact that he's done it
Speaker 2: today is saying something about just how desperate and how
Speaker 2: die the energy supply is in New South Wales, you know, in.
Speaker 6: Critical condition, and the report the other day largely confirmed that.
Speaker 10: I mean, here we have, you know, the collision if.
Speaker 6: You want, of ideology versus reality, and the collision is
Speaker 6: we ain't going to have enough power.
Speaker 10: And Matt's right.
Speaker 6: I mean, if we are to really approach this from
Speaker 6: an economic rationalist perspective, the obvious outcome is coal is cheap.
Speaker 6: Right now, coal is very cheap. Coal's twenty twenty one prices.
Speaker 10: Again.
Speaker 6: You know, all this talk about it being really expensive
Speaker 6: because of Ukraine, that's history. And we have this sort
Speaker 6: of blind walking to the jungle and hope and pray
Speaker 6: that the winds there and the sun shines, and that
Speaker 6: the solar panel supply of what we need it just
Speaker 6: simply won't work.
Speaker 10: What we're seeing.
Speaker 6: I guess hopefully out of this is the first step
Speaker 6: of the premiers starting to actually come to the realization
Speaker 6: that it's all well and good to talk the Matt
Speaker 6: key in Chris Bowen kind of chitter chat, but the
Speaker 6: bottom line is we need reliable based power. And the
Speaker 6: only reliable based power we have at the moment right now,
Speaker 6: including at this very instant that we're on air, is Cole.
Speaker 6: Cole's doing sixty seventy percent depending on where you are
Speaker 6: in the country, even eighty in New South Wales. Percent
Speaker 6: of the of the heavy lifting right now, we wouldn't
Speaker 6: be on without it.
Speaker 10: Perhaps some people would like that, but that's just a.
Speaker 1: Realan all right.
Speaker 2: And look, as you mentioned the Australian Energy Market Operator
Speaker 2: WAND just this week that New South Eales and Victoria
Speaker 2: are facing.
Speaker 1: Blackouts this summer.
Speaker 2: So maybe it takes blackouts for people to realize that,
Speaker 2: you know, the energy mix we've got at the moment
Speaker 2: isn't going to last. Now The Nightly is reporting this
Speaker 2: is an exclusive by Mark Riley that the Australian Border
Speaker 2: for US has actually set fire to dozens of illegal
Speaker 2: fishing boats. They say that they've seized almost two hundred
Speaker 2: boats and almost one thousand fishermen and women have been apprehended.
Speaker 2: This is quite an extraordinary story by Mark Riley, and
Speaker 2: he's reporting that this was going to be the biggest
Speaker 2: assault on our territorial waters in almost two decades.
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, have you.
Speaker 2: Ever heard of Australian Border Force doing this before? Setting
Speaker 2: fire to dozens of illegal Indonesian fishing boats that might
Speaker 2: have come to Australia.
Speaker 3: I haven't sharia.
Speaker 14: I mean I don't sit on the particular estimates committees
Speaker 14: Senate committees that look into this stuff. So maybe this
Speaker 14: is not unusual, but it's pretty shocking. And I don't know,
Speaker 14: I've only just heard this news, so I'm not sure
Speaker 14: if it's it's just breaking now pel smuggling or illegal
Speaker 14: fishing activities. Yeah, so, I mean, you can go on
Speaker 14: a marine app. You can go on these apps that
Speaker 14: look at where boats are, just like the plane tracking
Speaker 14: apps that most people probably have used. But you can
Speaker 14: go on a boat tracking app and just go outside
Speaker 14: of international Astralian waters into pup New Guinean waters out
Speaker 14: to the Pacific Ocean, and there are swarms of boats
Speaker 14: sitting there, most of them Chinese flagged, just fishing in
Speaker 14: these areas, and obviously many of them probably do cross
Speaker 14: into Australian waters at times and do fish illegally. And
Speaker 14: it's just so ridiculous that we regulate our fishing industry
Speaker 14: to such an extent that we have to imput more
Speaker 14: than seventy percent of our seafood. Yeah, just over just
Speaker 14: over the line, the ocean has just fished to all ends.
Speaker 14: So it says a lot about our own regulation and
Speaker 14: how we realise so much on imports and think we
Speaker 14: pat ourselves on the back, think we're doing something of
Speaker 14: the environment, when the opposit it's true.
Speaker 2: Jason, what do you think about this story by Mark Riley?
Speaker 1: And you know, have you ever seen this before?
Speaker 2: I've never seen it before, setting fire Australian government to
Speaker 2: dozens of illegal fishing boats.
Speaker 6: Well give it, Mark Riley's got it. I dare say
Speaker 6: there must be video footage of it as well, being
Speaker 6: Channel seven's political letators.
Speaker 10: So if they that's the case, good on them.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you want to send a message
Speaker 6: back to Indonesia and back to other nations that want
Speaker 6: to do this.
Speaker 10: This is what happens when you head out.
Speaker 6: I mean, these are organized criminal syndicates that are out
Speaker 6: there doing it. They might not consider themselves that and
Speaker 6: in fact there's some dimwits in Australia who think they're
Speaker 6: humanitarian assistance programs. But this is a real problem for
Speaker 6: this country and it's a real problem we have to
Speaker 6: tackle head on. And if it means getting the people off,
Speaker 6: arresting them, taking them to wherever they're going to be
Speaker 6: taken and setting the bones alight and filming them.
Speaker 10: Do it and stick it out online and let the.
Speaker 6: World see it that Australia is serious about protecting its borders.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's quickly go to this former detainee who's
Speaker 2: been charged with murder. Andrew Giles once again fronted the
Speaker 2: cameras and deflected the blame from himself and his own government.
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, this is really I mean, it just keeps
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse. But a former detainee charged with murder.
Speaker 2: How does Albo get away with not sacking Andrew Giles.
Speaker 14: Well, obviously, Andrew Joles is the most protected species of
Speaker 14: all animals in the country right now, it doesn't seem
Speaker 14: like he can do anything wrong and continue to keep
Speaker 14: his job. This is not nicelated incident. Of course, there
Speaker 14: are now dozens of people that have been charged or
Speaker 14: convicted of crimes that were released by the governor after
Speaker 14: the YQ court case. They didn't have to release those people.
Speaker 14: Their court decision didn't say that. They preemptively released nearly
Speaker 14: one hundred and fifty detainees, many of whom had either
Speaker 14: been convicted or charged with crimes before. And you know,
Speaker 14: we've got this ENZYQ case. I mean, I think we
Speaker 14: could basically now rename NCIS Sydney NZYQ Sydney because it
Speaker 14: would fill a whole season of crime. Shows the amount
Speaker 14: of alleged and convicted crimes that have occurred by these detainees,
Speaker 14: not just.
Speaker 2: Sydney, It's across the country. And you know, I know
Speaker 2: for a fact the Prime Minister prides himself and the
Speaker 2: fact he hasn't lost any ministers, had to sack any ministers.
Speaker 2: But I think it just shows his own weakness once again.
Speaker 2: All right, Matt Canavan, Jason Morrison, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your time. Now after the break Labour's migration crackdown
Speaker 2: failure as our university see a record boom in international students.
Speaker 2: Leith Vanonslin will join me next.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Despite Labour's promise to crack down on immigration, The Australian
Speaker 2: reports today that Australia's universities have recorded a seventeen percent
Speaker 2: uptick on overseas enrollments compared to last year, and they
Speaker 2: say this was driven mostly by one hundred thousand Chinese students.
Speaker 2: Reports today a record one hundred and sixty thousand international
Speaker 2: students enrolled at the group of eight universities in February,
Speaker 2: Macrobusiness chief economist at leithvan Onslin joins me. Now, Leith, look,
Speaker 2: you've been arguing we need to reduce our immigration levels,
Speaker 2: So what do you think of this story.
Speaker 15: I'm not surprised, Sharry. Look, the blowout in student visas
Speaker 15: is an unfortunately path for the course for the alban
Speaker 15: As government. It's consistently underestimated Australia in that overseas migration.
Speaker 15: It's whole time and Spain in office. So to give
Speaker 15: you some quick examples, the October twenty twenty two federal
Speaker 15: budget projected two hundred and thirty five thousand net overseas
Speaker 15: migration for last financial year. Last year's May federal budget
Speaker 15: then increase that to four hundred thousand. Guess what it
Speaker 15: ended up coming at five hundred and thirty thousand, which
Speaker 15: is more than double Labour's initial projection. Now, the migration
Speaker 15: circus continued with last year's migration protect projections for this
Speaker 15: financial year. So December's my IFO projected three hundred and
Speaker 15: seventy five thousand net overseas migration this financial year. Last
Speaker 15: week's federal budget upgraded to three hundred and ninety five thousand. However,
Speaker 15: all the indicators suggests it's going to be more like
Speaker 15: half a million. So quite frank, this is why I
Speaker 15: don't trust labor on immigration, Sharry. Just prior to last
Speaker 15: federal election, they promised that they're going to run a
Speaker 15: lower migration program that we had pre pandemic. Instead they've
Speaker 15: lifted immigration to record highs and delivered a se rental crisis.
Speaker 2: Well, Peter Darton says that if he were PM, he'd
Speaker 2: slash migration levels to about one hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 2: a year for the first two years. You've got thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a good idea?
Speaker 15: Absolutely great idea. Look, Austrains do not support big Austrai immigration.
Speaker 15: Every single opinion poll before the pandemic said so his
Speaker 15: opinion poll. Since I just commend Peter Dutton for finally
Speaker 15: bringing this in the public domain and we're going to
Speaker 15: have finally had the debate and immigration that we deserve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's very closely tied immigration to the cost
Speaker 2: of living crisis, to the housing crisis, as you've been arguing.
Speaker 3: Leith Vanonsen, thank you very much for your time and.
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching this week.
Speaker 2: If you missed my revelation at the start of the
Speaker 2: show and Channel nine, head to the Sky News website
Speaker 2: it or also be in the Telly tomorrow. I'll see
Speaker 2: you Monday at eight. And here's Paul Murray.