WEBVTT - #1934 The Mind Architect - Peter Crone 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.000 Good a, Groovers, Welcome to another installment of the new 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.720 Project Tiffany and Cook over there at typ Central High. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.320 Happy Friday, Harps, good a, Peter Crone, how are you, mate? 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:11.559 I'm good. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.480 I love now that I understand you're called hearts. Like 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.720 we can we can get like a bit more intimate here. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.080 Yeah. Well, I'm going to call you crony because Australians 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.919 always chuck a y on the indmate or an o 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.680 like I get called. My mum calls me crago, my 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.680 old friends call me crago or Harps. Most of my 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.600 friends these days called me harps, and my super old 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.120 friends called me jumbo because I was a fat little 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.920 fuck at school. I thought political correctness was invented right, 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.879 and so even the teachers called me jumbo. Dude like 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.440 that probably wouldn't happen now. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.879 Well, you know, it depends what circle you're in. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.680 If you were hanging around with a lot of ladies, 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.920 maybe the misinterpretation could serve you. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:54.320 Well you know what I'm saying. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:01:00.360 That probably not, probably not, But I think the confidence. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.800 Let down a big disappointment. I understand now. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.319 I appreciate the use of monikers over there. I lived 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.520 in Sydney for two years, and you know, being a Brett, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.160 I think we have a natural sympatico in the way 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.280 that we get along, our sprits and Aussie. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.440 So I feel like when you modify someone's name, it's 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.520 just well for me anyway. If I if I modify 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.760 someone's name or I adjusted a bit, it's it's a 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.440 sign that I like you, or I connect with you, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.800 or I want you to be my friend or something 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.840 like that. It's just there are very few, very few 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.720 of my mates get called like their proper name, and 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.840 if I if anyone ever calls me Craig, I feel 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.600 like I've done something wrong. I feel I reprimanded. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.160 I was going to say, yeah, absolutely, I feel I 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:52.360 feel the same. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.520 It's a term of endearment. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.720 If you can mess around with someone's name, you obviously 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.600 got some degree of like closeness to them. But yeah, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.120 I've always when I work with people, Let's say someone 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.400 is called Robert, you know, but their mates called them 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.240 Bobby or Rob. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:06.680 But you know, as soon as. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.519 They hear Robert, it sort of rings with that sound 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.079 of like you know, okay, you're being reprimanded for something 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.160 by your mum or your dad. Like anytime you use 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.600 a full name, it usually gives people a little bit 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.680 of a shock down their spine and reminds them of 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.920 something from their childhood. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.720 Yeah, and then if you just alter the tone and 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.440 then delivery a little bit, well you out now I'm 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:32.560 in panic stations. Great, there we go, boom, I sphink 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:38.839 to just snapshot. There you go, nervous system. It's really 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.560 good to chat to you. I must have been one 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.560 of the five people in the world who didn't know 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.160 of you. So I apologize because I've done a deep 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.360 dive on you in the last twenty four hours and 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.520 probably weren't aware of this. But you're quite smart. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.680 That is the first time I've heard that. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.519 So this is I thought I was bringing value to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.240 the show, but like little did I know. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.480 It was going to be reciprocated. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.360 So's been a positive affirmation for you because I know 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.239 you struggle with self esteem and your issues. So I'm 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.400 here for you and if you need a cyberspoon on 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.600 the couch, I'm your guy. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:11.800 I did not know this was going to be a 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.720 therapy session, but I'm incredibly grateful. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.560 That can be two ways. It's just how we roll. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.520 It's funny. I haven't had a job in inverted commas 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.679 for thirty one years. Right, that was the last time. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.760 I figured out when I was young that I'm not 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.240 I like to work, but I didn't necessarily want to 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.000 have a boss. So I've worked for me for a 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.000 very long time, do a range of shit. But what 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.400 was your first job out of school? That's a great question. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:43.480 No one's actually asked me that my first job. I 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:48.160 came a like, immediately out of university. I came to 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.280 the States. Well, let me back up in university. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.880 I don't know discounts because I coached tennis for super 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.680 entitled kids in an upper state New York camp who 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.680 had no arms about letting me know that they were 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.920 paying my salary. This is like a punk twelve year 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:05.920 old whose dad's probably worth like six billion. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.160 But you know, so that was somewhat of a job. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:09.160 But it was a summer gig. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.880 But after I left, after I did my masters, my 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.200 first job, I actually came to the States and I 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.200 became involved in a production company and we made an 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.200 absolutely terrible full length feature film. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.800 So that was. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.599 That was pro my first job, not even paid, So 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.840 I don't even that qualifies but anyway. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:34.880 Wow, it and it's been a calamity since then. Well, yeah, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.560 just out of interest. What was your undergrad degree and 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:39.640 what was your masters in? 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.280 Undergrad was human biology and exercise physiology, and then my 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:45.840 masters was in it. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.120 Which has got absolutely nothing to do with human biology, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:51.839 so people like, wait, how did that happen? 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.880 The Information technology department had three categories. You could focus 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.280 on business coding, or human factors like ergonomics and how 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.800 do we ass human interact with computers? So I was 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.719 in the latter, but it was a great It was 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.320 the biggest scholarship and it had I think something like 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.400 five thousand applicants for about fifty places, so everyone just 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.000 wanted to get in because it was, you know, a 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.920 revered course and it paid well for a student. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.359 For sure. We haven't had a totally dissimilar path. I 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.040 did exercise science as my undergrad and and believe it 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.039 or not, at the ripe old age of two hundred 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.279 and sixty, I'm doing a PhD in neuropsychology at the moment. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.440 But wow, yeah, no idea, what. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.160 You're analyzing me right now? Oh? 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.360 I am, I am so, But you're doing pretty well 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.440 being analyzed by me, We're all in trouble because I'm 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.600 the dumbest one in the room. Where did the fascination 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.479 with the totality of the human experience, not just on 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:56.119 a physiological level, like maybe that's a natural for curious people, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.400 because I started with bodies and then ended up working 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.240 with humans, right who live in the bodies, you know, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.200 And so I always say to people anatomy and physiology 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.400 is interesting, but humans are fucking fascinating. So was that 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.040 just a progression for you or was there always an 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.680 instinctive intuitive curiosity there. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.279 I think the former, because I could never have guessed 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.000 that I would be in the position I am today, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.440 you know, with the moniker of mine, architect helping the 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.400 people I am around the world, from being a young 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.880 seventeen eighteen year old punk kid just you know, trying 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.880 to survive. I'd been orphaned when I was very young, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.599 so I was really just literally trying to survive. So 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.400 I think it's curiosity. And then I did whilst both 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.559 coaching tennis, and then I did a bit of ski 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:45.400 guiding in Europe, and I distinctly remember having two fellas 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.520 who had same experience. They weren't advanced, but they weren't 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.160 completing at beginners coming down. They had the same sort 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.279 of physical attributes, meaning it wasn't like one was terribly 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.800 out of shape and one was an athlete, but one 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:02.120 was superrapid in the way that he approached the slope 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.159 versus the other one was a lot more like, let's 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.320 just go for it. And right there I could see 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:07.880 that I had nothing to do with equipment and it 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.720 had everything to do with software. Right, So you've got 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.600 the same resources, but the manner by which you view 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.480 your environment dictates the way that. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.600 You actually proceed with something. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.600 So that was when I really started around, you know, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.400 age nineteen or so twenty, going deeper into well what's 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.560 actually driving the show? And it sort of has been 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.280 the eternal rabbit hole that I continue to go down 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.240 and until such time I can fly like Neo and 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:34.400 the Matrix, which. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.400 You know, I haven't quite mastered yet. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.400 I hope that soon because fun I would like to 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.720 talk about that. Once you master that, so hurry the 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:44.200 fuck up. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.040 You know, the powers of b would take me out immediately. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:52.000 Yeah, well, once you do reveal your superpower of flight, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.440 you could be a handicapped to the system, so you'll 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:57.520 be eliminated, you know. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.000 That, absolutely, Yeah, i'd be censored for sure. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.720 What Yeah, I kind of call that thing that you're 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.240 talking about the like the duality of the human experience. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.160 There's the world we live in and then the world 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.880 that lives in us. Right, And I've heard you because 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.000 I've done a deep dive on you. You and I 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.880 are so similar in our thinking, so it might be 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.800 a little bit of an echo chamber, but that's good, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.600 you know. Is there's situation, circumstance, environment, people, events, and 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.840 then in the middle of that there's the processing of 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.440 it all, you know, the interpret or the filter, the storyteller, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:30.880 the reality creator. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.040 Yeah, yeah, you spot on spot on, Like I'm talking 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.680 to my clearly younger. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.200 Brother, clearly. You know. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.000 It was funny. I was listening this morning when I 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.160 was wedging the sleep out of my eyes. You were 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.400 talking to some chap I won't say who, but he 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.560 was good. But he said so he said something like, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.480 I won't I won't throw him under the bus. But 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.000 he went, ah, so what you mean is blah blah blah, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.000 And he totally didn't get what you were saying. And 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.200 I went, nah, he didn't mean that at all, And 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.200 then I was thinking, I'm going to be interested to 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.760 see how you respond because the construct you were talking about, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.320 he didn't fully understand. He kind of did, but you 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.360 didn't go a mate, that's not what I'm talking about 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:22.160 at all. You went, yeah, yep, yep, you're really diplomatic. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.040 He said, I wouldn't use that term, but and then 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.760 you kind of took him down a more gentle path. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:36.280 But it is, It can be complicated trying to understand 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.960 the difference between my situation and my reality, my circumstance 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.720 and my reality. You know, where I am and what 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.600 I have and who I am identity, you know, disconnection 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.960 between the non me stuff and the me stuff. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.960 Yeah, absolutely no, it's very slippery. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.320 It's I would say, it's one of the most convincing 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.880 illusions out there, that we're a victim of circumstance. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.280 I feel the way I feel because. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.160 Fill in the blame, someone said something, someone did something, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.679 My bank account is a certain way, the current circumstances 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.840 of the world, whatever it is, people truly under the 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.280 impression that gives rise to our own personal experience. Now 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.040 that's not to say that external factors don't have some 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.560 sort of impact on us, but we are nonetheless, we 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.640 are the cause. We are the source sou rcee of 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.880 our own experience. And once people really get that, it's 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.240 both empowering. For a lot of people, it's shocking, but 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.640 it is empowering, and it really steps into the world 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.920 of responsibility. To me, you're either one hundred percent responsible 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.280 for your life or you're not. And if you're not, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:41.760 then you are at some level of victim. And that's 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.440 just that's suffering and that's no fun way to live. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.640 How do we, excuse me, how do we how do 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:55.520 we stept out of the groundhog danus of our kind 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.720 of sometimes unconscious existence, like we seem to do a 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.760 lot of life on autopilot, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.319 How do we become more present and aware of us 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:09.160 in the middle of it? 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:12.960 The word you just use there, I mean I always 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.160 say the first step is awareness, right, one of my 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.520 quotes I say, people can't be held accountable for that 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.839 which they're oblivious to. And that's sort of got a 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:25.160 dual prong tour, right, which is one level it breeds compassion, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.200 It gets rid of all the judgment that tends to 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.480 be pretty ubiquitous around the world unfortunately, Like people are 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.800 just very quick to make others wrong. And if you 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.840 were in their shoes, if you had their DNA, if 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.960 you've gone through every day of their life, their childhood, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.080 their teachers, their heartbreaks, their failures, you would be having 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.520 the same response to whatever the circumstance is that you're 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.120 judging them for right. So that breeds a lot more 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.800 compassion and acceptance, and so the same holds true for ourselves, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.680 Like why do people have these self sabotaging tendencies? Why 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.720 is it that the person attracts the same kind of 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.240 mate that doesn't work out that they get, you know, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.360 their hostile or they cheat on them, or why is 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.960 it that somebody can't get through this invisible ceiling of 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.920 a pay income that they would like to get. And 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.480 we've got to become aware of, Okay, what does that elicit? 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.560 What does that reveal within us? 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.360 That is a deep seated usually you know, I call 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.480 it the subconscious constraint that we live in. It becomes 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.680 this invisible prison and then we sort of skirt around 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.920 that almost like we're tied to a big oak tree 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.840 with a rubber band and you know, you've got your circumference, 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.040 so you can function in but you can't you can't. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.400 Get much further. So its awareness, and that's the beauty 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:33.400 of life is reflection. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.800 Relationship, an invariably romantic relationship where especially if you're in 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.280 a marriage, you're kind of stuck and you kind of 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.840 have to look at things a little bit more deeply 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.480 than you might if you're just you know, messing around 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.040 and dating a lot of people. So relationships reflection and 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.160 then hopefully you know, work like mine and sounds like 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.960 what you're doing to bring some inspiration and insights to people. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.760 Because we also grow up in you know, we grow 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.520 up in a program, don't we, Like wherever we were 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:11.280 whoever we were around whatever, church, synagogue, not school, university, culture, 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.160 you know, friends like, we grow up being programmed, taught, told, trained, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.640 and then you wake up one day metaphorically and you're 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.000 twenty or thirty or forty, and you in some ways 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:29.480 the byproduct of all of that inbound stimuli. Yeah, and 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.920 so even this, I say to people, did you choose 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.439 your beliefs or did they just kind of grow there 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.640 as a byproduct of you know, what you've been through. Now, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.839 do they serve you or sabotage. You tell me a 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.600 little bit about beliefs and the influence that they can 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:47.840 have on us, good or bad. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:50.360 I mean, spot on. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.839 You know, we are again sort of the byproduct of 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.559 our environment and our conditioning. I often use the example, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.800 if I grew up in Madrid, I'd speak Spanish. You know, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.160 it's like, it's neither good nor bad. It was just 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.839 what I was imbibed in as a kid. So what 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.160 was the language in this case? Usually it's an emotional language. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.199 It's an energetic language that you adopted through the process 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.640 of osmosis, just by virtue of the fact that your parents, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.679 your care providers, the school you went to had. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.440 A particular vibration about it. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:25.120 So it becomes very insidious because unfortunately, those formative years, 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.040 that piece of programming, those codes that we adopt, become 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.840 so sort of we become so associated with aus though. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:34.480 That's who we are. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.280 And then you see people literally fighting for their beliefs, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.600 whether of course we see the whole world of dogma 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.800 and religion. People will kill each other for that, which 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.920 is completely nonsensical. That's pure ignorance, right, Like I'm fighting 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.880 for something that invariably wasn't even a choice. It's just 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.480 something that I adopted, right, But I'm willing to kill 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.920 you because you believe in some other god or whatever. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.920 But beyond that, then, of course we have I would say, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.000 the more detriment mental beliefs, which are much more to 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.640 do with my own persona, my view of myself, my 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.520 sense of inadequacy, my feeling of insecurity as it relates 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:09.600 to other people, or the. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.120 Environment perception of scarcity. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.120 Because we've heard that money doesn't go on trees so 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.920 many times from people, and so what happens is what 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.400 I would assert, the essence of life is always there. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.600 But then we get these conditioned programs that, by virtue 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:29.000 of what they are, they're limitations. So most beliefs tend 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:35.520 to be just by design limited because you're believing something, right, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.960 so something has some sort of construct to it. So 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.960 I would say, it's almost like, who do we become 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:41.960 beyond our beliefs? 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:42.240 Right? 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.200 That's the realm of that I play in, which is 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.760 pure possibility, right, And that's what a kid is. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.440 But a kid doesn't really have beliefs. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.359 Young children don't have beliefs because they haven't been conditioned 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.920 in a way that makes them assign meaning to something 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.400 or give this significance to whatever it is. They still 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.640 live in the world of pure curiosity and imagination. And 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.560 that's why, you know, I love some of this stuff 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.800 from like Einstein where he said, you know it's I'm 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.640 paraphrasing him terribly, but he was less interested in knowledge 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.120 and more interested in imagination. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.960 The knowing mind is stuck. You know. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.360 If you know something, well, where's the opportunity for expansion. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.720 If you don't know something, then there's an opportunity for 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:28.760 evolution and growth. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.280 And there's what you know and what you think you know. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.880 And you know, it's interesting because I love what you said. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:43.360 Thank you. Also, with belief and faith and programming, you know, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.880 comes this pressure to conform and to stay in that group. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:48.040 Yeah. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.440 So the moment that you start to and I've been 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.560 in a few of those groups when I was younger, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.880 and I was in a group that you are really 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.840 discouraged from thinking for yourself. Really, not only you're not 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.120 discourage Not only are you discouraged, you're criticized because if 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:12.760 you question anything, it's weakness, right, whereas I would think 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.040 it's curiosity and it's perhaps intellect and a few other things. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.480 But you know, and it's funny how many people and 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.719 I'm not necessarily just talking about political or religious, it 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.840 could be. It could be a fitness group that's evangelical, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.080 or a nutritional group that's that's figured out the only 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.639 way to do things. But the problem is that a 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.280 lot of people want to belong so whether or not 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.919 it's the CrossFit tribe or the vegan tribe, or the 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.159 carnival tribe, or the Christian tribe or the whatever. So 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:52.040 they're so invested in being connected and belonging and that 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.920 they don't want to think beyond what they've been programmed 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.800 and taught and told. And I always say to people, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.240 and do an audit. You might do an audit on 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.159 everything on you know, your thoughts and beliefs and ideology, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.760 and come back and go, no, this really represents who 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.960 I am, but you might not. But it's hard for 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:16.040 some people to get They're sorry I'm talking so much, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.919 but their head around the idea that, well, one, I 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.040 get my sense of self from this fucking thing. So 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.280 if it's not right, then who am I? 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:25.400 Yeah? 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.479 You know, identity is tied in so much to all 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:29.520 of this stuff for people. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.760 Yeah, it's huge. I mean, we're social animals. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.000 We want to have a you know, a primal instinct 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.960 of a human being is a sense of belonging, and 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.919 it gives us not only a feeling of value but 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.360 also security. Have a false you know, both of those 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.520 might be right. Usually it's a form of pretense. It's 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.119 not real security, it's not real value, but it gives 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.560 the aspiration for that. And so whenever we're in this community. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.800 Regardless of what it is, it could be a gang, 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.040 right Like a kid who. 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.280 Was grown up in a tough area of town in 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.680 any city, and he had a single parent, maybe the 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.440 one parent the dad was incarcerated or. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.600 Who knows, but his sense of belonging or her sense 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.440 of belonging was a local gang. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.320 It was the only way that they got any kind 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.120 of attention or someone listened to them. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.439 It just led to these. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.160 Sort of nefarious behaviors of breaking into cars and stealing shit, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.480 and that was their sense of tribe. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:24.720 You know. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.960 Conversely, perhaps we could argue as you know, sort of 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.439 more preferred as you join a local yoga community and 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.480 you learn about breath work and you become a vegan 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.520 and you help the community, and you know, but it's 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.600 still a sense of fundamentally a human being wanted. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:42.840 To feel like I belonged to something. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.160 So to give up any of that is to your point, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.439 it is a real challenge because it's like it's not 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.800 giving up the community, it's giving up me. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.200 As a part of that. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.960 It's the fundamental dissolution of self, which is probably the 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.359 most scary thing anyone can go to. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:19:59.760 Ironically, that's my work. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.520 Yeah, I'm once called the hit man for the ego, Like, 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.080 I'm not trying to solve anyone's problems. I'm getting rid 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.240 of the person they think they are that has a problem. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.359 That's an entirely different proposition. You know, there's a billion 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.120 you know, literally that might be an exaggeration, but there's 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.480 certainly millions of experts who will help people with their problems. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.240 My concern there is that you're actually perpetuating the idea 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.320 that they think there are someone with a problem. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:25.440 So someone's got anxiety. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.159