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Speaker 1: Good a, Groovers, Welcome to another installment of the new

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Speaker 1: Project Tiffany and Cook over there at typ Central High.

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Harps, good a, Peter Crone, how are you, mate?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: I love now that I understand you're called hearts. Like

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Speaker 4: we can we can get like a bit more intimate here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm going to call you crony because Australians

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Speaker 1: always chuck a y on the indmate or an o

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Speaker 1: like I get called. My mum calls me crago, my

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Speaker 1: old friends call me crago or Harps. Most of my

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Speaker 1: friends these days called me harps, and my super old

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Speaker 1: friends called me jumbo because I was a fat little

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Speaker 1: fuck at school. I thought political correctness was invented right,

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Speaker 1: and so even the teachers called me jumbo. Dude like

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Speaker 1: that probably wouldn't happen now.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it depends what circle you're in.

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Speaker 4: If you were hanging around with a lot of ladies,

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Speaker 4: maybe the misinterpretation could serve you.

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Speaker 3: Well you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: That probably not, probably not, But I think the confidence.

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Speaker 3: Let down a big disappointment. I understand now.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the use of monikers over there. I lived

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Speaker 4: in Sydney for two years, and you know, being a Brett,

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Speaker 4: I think we have a natural sympatico in the way

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Speaker 4: that we get along, our sprits and Aussie.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like when you modify someone's name, it's

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Speaker 1: just well for me anyway. If I if I modify

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Speaker 1: someone's name or I adjusted a bit, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: sign that I like you, or I connect with you,

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Speaker 1: or I want you to be my friend or something

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Speaker 1: like that. It's just there are very few, very few

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Speaker 1: of my mates get called like their proper name, and

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Speaker 1: if I if anyone ever calls me Craig, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've done something wrong. I feel I reprimanded.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, yeah, absolutely, I feel I

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Speaker 4: feel the same.

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Speaker 3: It's a term of endearment.

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Speaker 4: If you can mess around with someone's name, you obviously

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Speaker 4: got some degree of like closeness to them. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've always when I work with people, Let's say someone

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Speaker 4: is called Robert, you know, but their mates called them

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Speaker 4: Bobby or Rob.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as soon as.

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Speaker 4: They hear Robert, it sort of rings with that sound

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Speaker 4: of like you know, okay, you're being reprimanded for something

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Speaker 4: by your mum or your dad. Like anytime you use

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Speaker 4: a full name, it usually gives people a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a shock down their spine and reminds them of

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Speaker 4: something from their childhood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then if you just alter the tone and

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Speaker 1: then delivery a little bit, well you out now I'm

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Speaker 1: in panic stations. Great, there we go, boom, I sphink

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Speaker 1: to just snapshot. There you go, nervous system. It's really

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Speaker 1: good to chat to you. I must have been one

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Speaker 1: of the five people in the world who didn't know

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Speaker 1: of you. So I apologize because I've done a deep

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Speaker 1: dive on you in the last twenty four hours and

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Speaker 1: probably weren't aware of this. But you're quite smart.

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Speaker 3: That is the first time I've heard that.

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Speaker 4: So this is I thought I was bringing value to

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Speaker 4: the show, but like little did I know.

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Speaker 3: It was going to be reciprocated.

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Speaker 1: So's been a positive affirmation for you because I know

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Speaker 1: you struggle with self esteem and your issues. So I'm

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Speaker 1: here for you and if you need a cyberspoon on

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Speaker 1: the couch, I'm your guy.

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Speaker 4: I did not know this was going to be a

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Speaker 4: therapy session, but I'm incredibly grateful.

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Speaker 1: That can be two ways. It's just how we roll.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I haven't had a job in inverted commas

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Speaker 1: for thirty one years. Right, that was the last time.

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Speaker 1: I figured out when I was young that I'm not

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Speaker 1: I like to work, but I didn't necessarily want to

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Speaker 1: have a boss. So I've worked for me for a

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Speaker 1: very long time, do a range of shit. But what

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Speaker 1: was your first job out of school? That's a great question.

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Speaker 1: No one's actually asked me that my first job. I

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Speaker 1: came a like, immediately out of university. I came to

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Speaker 1: the States. Well, let me back up in university.

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Speaker 4: I don't know discounts because I coached tennis for super

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Speaker 4: entitled kids in an upper state New York camp who

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Speaker 4: paying my salary. This is like a punk twelve year

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Speaker 4: old whose dad's probably worth like six billion.

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Speaker 3: But you know, so that was somewhat of a job.

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Speaker 3: But it was a summer gig.

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Speaker 4: But after I left, after I did my masters, my

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Speaker 4: first job, I actually came to the States and I

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Speaker 4: became involved in a production company and we made an

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Speaker 4: absolutely terrible full length feature film.

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Speaker 3: So that was.

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Speaker 4: That was pro my first job, not even paid, So

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Speaker 4: I don't even that qualifies but anyway.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it and it's been a calamity since then. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just out of interest. What was your undergrad degree and

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Speaker 1: what was your masters in?

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Speaker 4: Undergrad was human biology and exercise physiology, and then my

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Speaker 4: masters was in it.

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Speaker 3: Which has got absolutely nothing to do with human biology,

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Speaker 3: so people like, wait, how did that happen?

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Speaker 4: The Information technology department had three categories. You could focus

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Speaker 4: on business coding, or human factors like ergonomics and how

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Speaker 4: do we ass human interact with computers? So I was

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Speaker 4: in the latter, but it was a great It was

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Speaker 4: revered course and it paid well for a student.

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Speaker 1: For sure. We haven't had a totally dissimilar path. I

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Speaker 1: did exercise science as my undergrad and and believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, at the ripe old age of two hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty, I'm doing a PhD in neuropsychology at the moment.

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Speaker 1: But wow, yeah, no idea, what.

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Speaker 3: You're analyzing me right now? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I am, I am so, But you're doing pretty well

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Speaker 1: being analyzed by me, We're all in trouble because I'm

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Speaker 1: the dumbest one in the room. Where did the fascination

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Speaker 1: with the totality of the human experience, not just on

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Speaker 1: a physiological level, like maybe that's a natural for curious people,

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Speaker 1: because I started with bodies and then ended up working

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Speaker 1: with humans, right who live in the bodies, you know,

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Speaker 1: And so I always say to people anatomy and physiology

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Speaker 1: is interesting, but humans are fucking fascinating. So was that

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Speaker 4: I think the former, because I could never have guessed

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Speaker 4: that I would be in the position I am today,

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Speaker 4: you know, with the moniker of mine, architect helping the

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Speaker 4: people I am around the world, from being a young

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Speaker 4: I think it's curiosity. And then I did whilst both

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Speaker 4: versus the other one was a lot more like, let's

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Speaker 4: that I had nothing to do with equipment and it

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Speaker 4: had everything to do with software. Right, So you've got

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Speaker 4: the same resources, but the manner by which you view

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Speaker 3: You actually proceed with something.

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Speaker 4: So that was when I really started around, you know,

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Speaker 4: age nineteen or so twenty, going deeper into well what's

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Speaker 4: the eternal rabbit hole that I continue to go down

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Speaker 4: and until such time I can fly like Neo and

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Speaker 3: You know, I haven't quite mastered yet.

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Speaker 1: I hope that soon because fun I would like to

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Speaker 1: talk about that. Once you master that, so hurry the

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Speaker 3: You know, the powers of b would take me out immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, once you do reveal your superpower of flight,

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Speaker 1: you could be a handicapped to the system, so you'll

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Speaker 3: That, absolutely, Yeah, i'd be censored for sure.

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Speaker 1: What Yeah, I kind of call that thing that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the like the duality of the human experience.

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Speaker 1: There's the world we live in and then the world

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Speaker 1: that lives in us. Right, And I've heard you because

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Speaker 1: I've done a deep dive on you. You and I

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Speaker 1: you know. Is there's situation, circumstance, environment, people, events, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you spot on spot on, Like I'm talking

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Speaker 3: Brother, clearly. You know.

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Speaker 1: It was funny. I was listening this morning when I

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Speaker 1: was good. But he said so he said something like,

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Speaker 1: He said, I wouldn't use that term, but and then

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Speaker 1: But it is, It can be complicated trying to understand

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Speaker 1: the difference between my situation and my reality, my circumstance

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Speaker 1: I have and who I am identity, you know, disconnection

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely no, it's very slippery.

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Speaker 4: It's I would say, it's one of the most convincing

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Speaker 3: I feel the way I feel because.

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Speaker 4: Fill in the blame, someone said something, someone did something,

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Speaker 4: My bank account is a certain way, the current circumstances

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Speaker 4: of the world, whatever it is, people truly under the

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Speaker 4: impression that gives rise to our own personal experience. Now

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Speaker 4: that's not to say that external factors don't have some

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Speaker 4: sort of impact on us, but we are nonetheless, we

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Speaker 4: our own experience. And once people really get that, it's

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Speaker 4: of responsibility. To me, you're either one hundred percent responsible

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Speaker 4: then you are at some level of victim. And that's

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Speaker 1: How do we, excuse me, how do we how do

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Speaker 4: get the ball rolling and why. To me, it's important,

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Speaker 4: as I was saying earlier, For the most part, any

440
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Speaker 4: kind of belief is by design a limitation which is

441
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Speaker 4: in complete contrast and conflict with what I assert is

442
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Speaker 4: our nature, which is boundless. So you take the infinite,

443
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Speaker 4: the eternal, the limitless, which I'm ascribing to our true

444
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Speaker 4: soul nature, and then you look through a lens of

445
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Speaker 4: a mind that's been created with these conditioned limitations.

446
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Speaker 3: That's the square Pegan round hole right there.

447
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Speaker 4: So if I'm boundless, but I'm looking through a lens

448
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Speaker 4: of feeling limited, that equates to human suffering. And then

449
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Speaker 4: you have the litany of ways that people try and

450
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Speaker 4: resolve that through alcohol, smoking, weed, prescribed drugs, whatever their

451
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Speaker 4: sort of topic, their escape du jour is. For them,

452
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Speaker 4: but meanwhile they haven't actually discovered their true nature. That,

453
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Speaker 4: to me, is the whole journey of being human.

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Speaker 3: You know.

455
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Speaker 4: It's not about becoming famous, getting some level of status

456
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Speaker 4: and getting a lot of money, although that's the game

457
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Speaker 4: most people are playing. To me, the real game of

458
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Speaker 4: being human is discovering freedom, which is my main product,

459
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Speaker 4: which is tapping into reminding yourself, remembering the essence of

460
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Speaker 4: who you are versus the limited persona you've become associated with,

461
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Speaker 4: thinking that's who you are. That's the game of spiritual

462
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Speaker 4: evolution right there.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's so interesting. In one of my

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Speaker 1: I can't remember which one. I've written a few books,

465
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Speaker 1: but in one I don't know, I don't know. But anyway,

466
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Speaker 1: I wrote a conversation, a shudo conversation about a guy

467
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Speaker 1: because I had a version of this so many times

468
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Speaker 1: in the older days when people would come into I

469
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Speaker 1: owned a bunch of gyms, but they're all pt facilities,

470
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Speaker 1: and people would come in and we'd do a catch

471
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Speaker 1: up and I'd say, tell me about tell me about you,

472
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Speaker 1: and they'd always tell me about their job, their bank balance,

473
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Speaker 1: or the car or their kids. They'd tell me about

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Speaker 1: everything except them yeah, and I'd go, all right, well,

475
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Speaker 1: none of that's you, that's all your stuff. That's cool,

476
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Speaker 1: well done, but tell me about you. And then they

477
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Speaker 1: tell me about their age. They tell me they used

478
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Speaker 1: to smoke, but they don't go, well, you're not an age,

479
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Speaker 1: and you're not a habit and you're not a bank balance.

480
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Speaker 1: You're not even a body, and you're not a career,

481
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Speaker 1: not a title, and you're not a qualification. And it

482
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Speaker 1: just opens so many doors to so many weird and

483
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Speaker 1: fun conversations where I would just take the piss a

484
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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so let's.

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Speaker 1: Think about this, like we never think, well that's a

487
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Speaker 1: big statement. We rarely think about who we are beyond

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Speaker 1: our thought or our thoughts about who we are, or

489
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Speaker 1: our programming or our you know that all that kind

490
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Speaker 1: of typical stuff that we think we are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most people are walking around sort of somewhat zombie

493
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Speaker 4: state with very automatic reactions. It's just external trigger and

494
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Speaker 4: internal response, you know. And it's you can walk into

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Speaker 4: a restaurant, I say, and if I went up to

496
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Speaker 4: the table and I was sort of somewhat derogatory or

497
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Speaker 4: hostile to each of the tables, I say, hey, you're

498
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Speaker 4: a fucking idiot. You look like an idiot. Depending on

499
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Speaker 4: who I'm speaking to, they're just going to have their

500
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Speaker 4: natural reaction.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: If it's someone who's on a first date and maybe

503
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Speaker 4: he's a quiet fella, he might be shy and he

504
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Speaker 4: doesn't quite know what to do and he's embarrassed. Maybe

505
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Speaker 4: it's an older couple and he can't quite hear me,

506
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Speaker 4: so he's not so offended, or he calls the manager over.

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Speaker 3: Then if I go to the big, you.

508
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Speaker 4: Know, CrossFit dude who's got his tats, he might get

509
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Speaker 4: up and try and punch me, you know, but no

510
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Speaker 4: one has a choice. It's all reaction. Like to me,

511
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Speaker 4: in that situation, it would still be part of someone's conditioning.

512
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Speaker 4: Real freedom would be someone who could just listen but

513
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Speaker 4: be unaffected. So that's where I can be with my

514
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Speaker 4: environment and go oh wow, interested, like there's no actual

515
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Speaker 4: immediate threat, Like I'm not trying to knife anyone. I'm

516
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Speaker 4: just saying something. And this is where I think human

517
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Speaker 4: beings really struggle, especially men. Is the capacity to listen,

518
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Speaker 4: just to and listen is a broad sense. It's not

519
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Speaker 4: just what some one says is listen to your environment,

520
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: like what's happening on where are you being triggered? That

521
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Speaker 4: goes back to your question earlier of like how do

522
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Speaker 4: we get beyond this identity? It's like, well, fundamentally, where

523
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 4: do you get upset about shit? That's your opportunity to

524
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Speaker 4: see that you are not recognizing your own magnificence.

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Speaker 1: You know. That is so true? Like especially, I don't

526
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Speaker 1: like the term personal development or self help, but let's

527
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Speaker 1: call it growth, let's call it. But all these ideas

528
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Speaker 1: that we talk about on shows like this, and you

529
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Speaker 1: talk to people about, and I talk to people about,

530
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Speaker 1: like we're all champions at personal growth. When the sun

531
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Speaker 1: shining and the birds are singing and the winds at

532
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Speaker 1: our back and fucking life is good. But it's in

533
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Speaker 1: the middle of the shit. It's in the messages, the chaos,

534
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Speaker 1: the mayhem, the uncertainty, the suffering, the pain that we

535
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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to put these things into practice, Yep,

536
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Speaker 1: to walk out and talk. You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the quote I use as smooth sea's never made

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Speaker 4: a good sailor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true. It's where did your where did

540
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Speaker 1: your personal philosophy develop from? Has been? Has it been

541
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Speaker 1: through a lot of exposure to just a lot of

542
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Speaker 1: people and a lot of interact How much of it

543
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Speaker 1: has been learned as in sitting, reading, paying attention, listening,

544
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Speaker 1: and how much of it has been experiential you learned

545
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Speaker 1: by doing, by being in the middle of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a great question, And of course it's going to

547
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Speaker 4: be somewhat anecdotal or arbitrary, but I would say, I

548
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: would I would asserted most of it is intuition and experience,

549
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: Like for whatever reasons, like why could Tiger Woods do

550
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Speaker 4: what he did or any of these athletes that you know,

551
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Speaker 4: Roger Federer and ten and like, you know, there's a

552
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Speaker 4: certain gift that I've been blessed with in the way

553
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Speaker 4: that my mind can just like look at things and

554
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Speaker 4: break them apart and unpack them. And I think by

555
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Speaker 4: virtue of what we were just discussing a shit ton

556
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Speaker 4: of adversity. Honestly, there's been my greatest teacher. You know,

557
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Speaker 4: Mum dies when I'm seven, that dies when I'm seventeen.

558
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Speaker 4: I'm an only kid. Like, there was just sheer terror

559
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Speaker 4: and survival at that point, which to me was akin

560
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Speaker 4: to what the experience of the ego is, which is

561
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Speaker 4: this perception of an isolated unit that's trying to survive, right,

562
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Speaker 4: But mine was visceral. So I think for me that

563
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Speaker 4: was in a way that I couldn't fully fathom at

564
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Speaker 4: the time, was the catalyst for me to really discover

565
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Speaker 4: who I was beyond fear.

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Speaker 3: So that was very visceral for sure.

567
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Speaker 4: There's been some teachings like no one that I met,

568
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Speaker 4: they've all since passed, But like traditional Indian gurus, like

569
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Speaker 4: the real spiritual cats who knew what they were talking about.

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Speaker 4: I've read some of the you know, a lot of

571
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Speaker 4: their books, and then of course I've done a handful

572
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Speaker 4: of different workshops and stuff and more contemporary teachers. I've

573
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Speaker 4: enjoyed some of their stuff, But I would say, like

574
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Speaker 4: an eighty twenty split, like where it's just for whatever reasons,

575
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Speaker 4: life decided to put me on this journey of having

576
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Speaker 4: to face a ton of shit and find the lily

577
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Speaker 4: pad on the other side of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, how did mum and dad dying mum at

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Speaker 1: seven and your dad at seventeen? What did that? What

580
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Speaker 1: did that do? How did that that's by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to hear that, but it is what

582
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Speaker 1: it is. How How did that influence you shape, you change,

583
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Speaker 1: you mold.

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Speaker 4: You thank you first of all, my mum when I

585
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Speaker 4: was seven, I really don't think I knew how to

586
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Speaker 4: process that like a seven year old boy, like I know,

587
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Speaker 4: she had been sick because she had cancer to ask

588
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Speaker 4: you answer your question of how so she had been

589
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Speaker 4: sick for a while. She was bedridden for a good

590
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Speaker 4: year plus, and they were trying to do all these

591
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Speaker 4: alternative things. They would go to lurds, you know, with

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Speaker 4: the side of the Virgin Mary. It was beyond the

593
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Speaker 4: world of chemo and stuff like that. But my dad's

594
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Speaker 4: he went he worked on the boats, you know, the

595
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Speaker 4: ferries that go between England and France and England and Belgium,

596
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Speaker 4: and it was a huge disaster in eighty seven where

597
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Speaker 4: one of them capsized in the Belgium harbor. And you

598
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Speaker 4: know a lot of people have got the image emblazoned

599
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Speaker 4: in their mind because it was pretty horrific where you

600
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Speaker 4: got this huge ferry on its side, but half of

601
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Speaker 4: the boat is still because the harbor isn't as deep

602
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Speaker 4: obviously as the ocean.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, he was the chief.

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Speaker 4: Engineer on that boat, and there was a few hundred

605
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Speaker 4: people that died during that disaster, so that one definitely had.

606
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Speaker 3: More of a mark for a couple of reasons.

607
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Speaker 4: One it was he and I, so obviously we'd become

608
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Speaker 4: incredibly close. I was older, you know, I'd had a

609
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Speaker 4: decade just with my dad and just by virtue of

610
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Speaker 4: the fact that he went to work one day said

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Speaker 4: I love you and I'll see you tomorrow and that

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Speaker 4: never happened.

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Speaker 3: So with my mom, to.

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Speaker 4: Certain degree, there's this period that we were aware of

615
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Speaker 4: the fact that things weren't looking good with my dad,

616
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Speaker 4: healthy vitals as best we knew. He was only forty

617
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Speaker 4: nine years old, goes to work and never comes back.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of how it impacted me or how

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Speaker 4: that shaped me again, like I was saying, excuse me,

620
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Speaker 4: like I was saying earlier, I don't fully know to

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Speaker 4: what degree I could truly comprehend the impact it had

622
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Speaker 4: other than what I was describing to you, which I

623
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Speaker 4: can remember standing in my bedroom that I've grown up

624
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Speaker 4: in as a kid by myself one day and having

625
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Speaker 4: that visceral experience of I'm by myself, like as an experience, right,

626
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Speaker 4: and it was the worst like feeling any human could have,

627
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Speaker 4: which goes back to our topic about belonging, right, Like,

628
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Speaker 4: we don't want to be alone. It's the second law

629
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Speaker 4: of thermodynamics. You know, you put any objects into isolation.

630
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Speaker 4: This is what they do in incarceration.

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Speaker 3: Right.

632
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Speaker 4: What's the worst thing you can be is put in

633
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Speaker 4: solitary confinement because then there's a natural atrophy.

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Speaker 3: Of that thing, there's no sense of belonging.

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Speaker 4: You look at couples who might have been mare for

636
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Speaker 4: fifty years, one of them dies, the other one usually

637
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Speaker 4: dies within a month, you know, because their sense of

638
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: like companionship and camaraderie has gone. So this is what

639
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Speaker 4: I help people to do, is get beyond the feeling

640
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Speaker 4: of isolation.

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Speaker 3: So I would say what it did.

642
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Speaker 4: Do for me was breed a massive amount of compassion

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Speaker 4: and patience with people, because I really get it beyond

644
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: the oh I understand, which a therapist might tell you,

645
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: like no.

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Speaker 3: I physically was there.

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Speaker 4: So I understand that you feel like no one loves you,

648
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Speaker 4: You're not good enough, You're never going to make it.

649
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Speaker 4: Like so I think in ways that again I couldn't

650
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Speaker 4: fully articulate because I think much of it was just unconscious.

651
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Speaker 4: My brad, you know, it bred for me a huge

652
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Speaker 4: amount of love compassion, patience, and probably capacity to just

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Speaker 4: deal with life and keep opening up to possibility.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen is such I mean at any age, of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, but at seventeen, you're not a kid and

656
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Speaker 1: you're not a man. You're kind of straddling that space.

657
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: You what did you do? Did you move in with someone?

658
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Did you like just I'm just interested practically in that

659
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: next twelve months, what did you do?

660
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: Well?

661
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: At that point, my dad had met someone who'd moved

662
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: in with us, so they weren't married, but so you know,

663
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: there was an adult call it a step mum or whatever.

664
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: We weren't super close, but you know, there was somebody

665
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: who provided and could get food.

666
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: And you know, then the community.

667
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: I lived on a very small road in a small village,

668
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: so there was also a lot of support. I had

669
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: mates who lived on the same street, so their parents

670
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: sort of became pseudo parents. And then soon after I

671
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: got you know, a job quote unquote. You know, this

672
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: was before university. I took a year out, a gap year,

673
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: which I know is pretty common in the UK and Australia,

674
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: and so I you know, I started a firm for

675
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: myself and I lived in the house and Then as

676
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Speaker 4: soon as I went to UNI when I was nineteen,

677
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: so you know, a year or so after, I pretty

678
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: much that was it. You know, I kind of left

679
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: the nest. I would come home for the holidays, Christmas

680
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: and summer, but even in the summer, that's when I

681
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: went to coach tennis in America. So I was from

682
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: that point forward, I was pretty much on my own.

683
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Speaker 1: When did you when did you begin to question, you know,

684
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: all this or explore all this existential stuff of who

685
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: am I beyond my whatever am my looks or my

686
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: tennis or my you know whatever, like all that kind

687
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: of normal stuff where you started to go deep for yourself.

688
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: I'll just interrupt one second, interrupt myself. I remember being

689
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: at a party when I was I think I was

690
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: eight years old, a fat of the eight year old

691
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: in a room with all these fifty year olds, and

692
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I remember looking around at all the fifty year olds

693
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: and having this awareness that this is weird and all

694
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: these people are pretending because I know a lot of

695
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: these people and when they're not here doing this, they're

696
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: not like this right. And I went and I didn't,

697
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I just had awareness that that

698
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: guy and him and her and her. They're not like that,

699
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: but they're in front of these other people like role

700
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: playing this persona. I'm like, what the fuck is all

701
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: this about? When did that kind of curiosity into human

702
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: thinking and behaving and relationships and existence? When did that,

703
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, catch fire?

704
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 4: My first year at UNI, I actually just recently, about

705
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: a year ago, found notes, written notes from when I

706
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: was eighteen nineteen, sitting under a tree, the quintessential sort

707
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: of image of these two clowns, very Buddha esque, me

708
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: and my mate Guy, and we would talk about these

709
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 4: big questions and the nature of consciousness.

710
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: So I really attribute a lot of.

711
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: My introduction, the foray into this conversation to my friend

712
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: Guy back then and now with you know, without putting,

713
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 4: without showing my age, it was good three decades ago.

714
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: Like he he would.

715
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: Only eat food that if it dropped on the ground

716
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: it would grow at some point, Like, I mean, that's

717
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: that's pretty advanced.

718
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: But back then, right that, I'm sure he did.

719
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean we went for currently sometimes you know, he

720
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: broke his philosophy, but the fact that that he was

721
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: even introduced as a potential he wanted to have food

722
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: that had parma and energy in it.

723
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: So that's when I started.

724
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: And that really was, as I said, sort of the

725
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: portal into this whole world of wow, am I?

726
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Who am I? Why are we here?

727
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: It was just beautiful. Like I listen. I had a

728
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: great time at college. You know, I definitely had my

729
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: first share of libations with the boys at the weekend,

730
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: and but then I really spent a lot more time

731
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: diving into the nature of life itself and quantum physics

732
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: and you know, my life, my background had obviously lent

733
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: itself to a lot of that because there wasn't I

734
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: wasn't prey to what we were talking about earlier, the

735
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: conditions of my family. And in one way, if we

736
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: want to look at this karmically, it might sound like okay.

737
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: On the human level, yes, this was very difficult for

738
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: Peter Crone, but I would have served for the spirit

739
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: that is my nature. It was actually quite liberating that

740
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: the calma of my parents that they chose to incarnate

741
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: me but then step aside, right, And again I'm not

742
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: saying for them that was a conscious choice, but it

743
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: did actually what did it do?

744
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: For sure?

745
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: It was incredibly vulnerable because I didn't have the blanket

746
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: of security from parents. But by the same token, it

747
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: was incredibly opening because if my dad was alive, I

748
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: just know the fact that I idolized him. You know,

749
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: he was a loving man. But my mind, to your point,

750
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: would have been much more interested in the pretense, just

751
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: like you're an eight year old with all these fifty

752
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 4: year olds, knowing that they're full of shit. I would

753
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: have been much more interested in having a career that

754
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: I thought my dad would have wanted me to have,

755
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 4: which is of course very stereotypical.

756
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: He would have never wanted that.

757
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: He loved me for me, but in a way that

758
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: now you know, I can recognize. I never had to

759
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: fall prey to those pressures of lineage or generation gaps

760
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 4: where you're supposed to follow in the footsteps of somebody,

761
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: and I kind of just had to make it up

762
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: by myself. So so anyway, long, we did answer your question,

763
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: but started when I was nineteen, and it really opened

764
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 4: up this this geyser of inquiry about you know, who

765
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: the hell are we, why are we here? And why

766
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 4: are most people full of shit?

767
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: That's the guyser that opened up via guy.

768
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: Yes there it is. That's why it's called geyser. Most

769
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: people don't know that that is.

770
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: The origin, that is the etymology of that word. And

771
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: you're welcome world.

772
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people say, some people say geezer, but that's

773
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: more like East London, you know, that's like you.

774
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Fucking geezer, don't you fucking or mean I'll kick you

775
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: in the dick.

776
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's different, that's different, but it's still you're having

777
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 4: this wealth of information, but it's a derogatory form.

778
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: So fucking geezer, right, you fucking geeze, don't you guyser.

779
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: It's like it's the same, it's content coming at you,

780
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: but it's much more philanthropic. It makes an impact, it

781
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: makes it different. Yeah, so anyway, I'm glad we broke

782
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: that down.

783
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Now everyone's going there both fuck wits, that's what everyone's doing.

784
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: But that's hilarious and we don't care what you think.

785
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: You know what I do love though about guy. I'm

786
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: always saying to people and myself, you know, hang out

787
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: with people who don't think like you. Hang out with

788
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: people who don't share your lifestyle or necessarily your beliefs

789
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: or values or attitude or operating system. Not all the time,

790
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: but sometimes and try to do it with a really

791
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: open mind and just be present. And I live across

792
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: the road from I live on a street with one

793
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: million cafes, and across the road from me is a dude,

794
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: karl Ed his name is, who owns the cafe, who's awesome,

795
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: and he's got another guy that works for him, Muhammed.

796
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: And every time, so well, nearly every time I go over,

797
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: because I don't know much about Islam, right. I grew

798
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: up in a very Christian family and a Catholic family,

799
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: and a very I went. You know, I did the

800
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: whole rounds, right, and I've done probably like you have,

801
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: Buddhism one oh one and a fair bit of things.

802
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: But I don't know much about Islam. And so every

803
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: time I go there, I go, you've got to teach

804
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: me something. Tell teach me one thing. Every time I

805
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: come and get my coffee about Islam, right, And that's

806
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: so I walk in, he makes my coffee and he goes,

807
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: all right, this is what I want to tell you.

808
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: And I love it because I'm exposing myself to new

809
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: ideas and thinking and philosophy and theology and ideology and lifestyle.

810
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: But I just think there's real value for all of

811
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: us broadly, not because we want to become them or

812
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: become like them necessarily, or adopt or adapt necessarily, but

813
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: rather just to stack a step out of the echo

814
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: chamber that is our day to day you know.

815
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: Well, it breeds empathy, sympathy, compassion, understanding. Like I was

816
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: saying earlier, if you had the DNA of a human being,

817
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 4: you were brought up by their parents, you went to

818
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: their school, you had their trials and tribulations. You might

819
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: be judging them at this point as a forty fifty

820
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: sixty year old, but they have no choice, and you

821
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: would be making the same choice with their conditioning, right,

822
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: So it just breeds a lot more compassion, you know,

823
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: like you understand why people think, feel and behave the

824
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: way they do because of their fundamental beliefs. And if

825
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: you're not willing to dig into understanding what their fundamental

826
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: beliefs are, then you're probably just going to be in

827
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 4: juxtaposition and judging people, which agren creates all the hostility

828
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: we have the world. As you said, there's a lot

829
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: of people I know who do shit that I just

830
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: have no interest in, but at least I understand why

831
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: they do it, you know, we don't have to adopt

832
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 4: those behaviors, but boy, can I have a greater sense

833
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: of empathy to realize why they struggle with what they

834
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: struggle with, why they choose to do what they do,

835
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: and it that that for me, is a much more

836
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: compassionate way to deal with humans.

837
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I think also Pete Pa c s mate Cock. Yeah,

838
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I think also that people confuse. I understand that with

839
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: I condone that yes, absolutely, yeah, you know, and it's

840
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: like I understand war, but I fucking hate it. I

841
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: understand violence, but I abhor it. People. You know, you

842
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: can't overcome what you don't understand by the way, you know,

843
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: like you know, we seeking to understand things doesn't mean

844
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I want to become that or I want to adopt

845
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: or adapt into that, you know, it's like I need to.

846
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in how people think. Even if I

847
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: think they're thinking is completely fucked and toxic, I'm still

848
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: interested because I want to understand that, you know, especially

849
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: with my research, I want to understand where this person

850
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: is at and how they got there without judgment, just awareness.

851
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I would call acceptance with the

852
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: capital A. You know, it's then that really is an

853
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 4: iteration of love, right, Like I tell people I love everyone,

854
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean I want to hang out with them. Yeah,

855
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: you know, there's my acceptance of something or someone, and

856
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: then there's my personal preference that is part of that.

857
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: I'm not going to invite someone who does Heroin over

858
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: to my house for Christmas, but I can have love

859
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 4: and compassion for for that. That's where they are, and

860
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: I am in acceptance of that. First of all, the

861
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: audacity of a human being to think that they.

862
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: Know how everybody else should act.

863
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: Like when you really get that when they're complaining about

864
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: a parent, a spouse, a loved one or whoever, there's

865
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: this undercurrent of audacity that is implying that we mighty

866
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: old me know how the world should be. It's like

867
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 4: I didn't get the memo that Harps was in charge

868
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: of the universe, you know. It's like, of course, if

869
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: you are, then then please give me my marching orders.

870
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I've been out of line, you know,

871
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: but it just it's very humbling, you know. And I

872
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: think the greatest, the most intelligent people on this planet,

873
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: who at least have some semblance of spirituality or connected

874
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: to their heart also have a huge amount of humility,

875
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: which is that we're really tiny compared to not only

876
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: the planet, but the planet is a spec relative to

877
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 4: our solar system. Our solar system is a spec relative

878
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: to the universe. So if you're sitting on this ball

879
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 4: of mud thinking that you know how your freaking neighbors

880
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: should be taking care of the hedge, I mean, good

881
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: luck to you. You're gonna, you know, end up with

882
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: some liver crhosis based on how much you're going to

883
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: be drinking from your frustrations.

884
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: Well, that's just the ausy way.

885
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Anyway we're gonna sure is we're going to call this

886
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: episode You're insignificant. Well, okay, we're going to wind up,

887
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: but I want to ask you a couple of things

888
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: before we go. The idea of being people's balk or

889
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: people struggle with this idea of of objectivity. One of

890
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: the things I ask audience is when we actually have

891
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: audience and we're not in lockdown. Back in nineteen seventy five,

892
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: the last time I did a live gig, I ask

893
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: a room full of people, put up your hand if

894
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you think your open mind are objective, And everyone puts

895
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: up their hand, and I go, well, none of you

896
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: are right, and they all crack the shits and I go,

897
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: but neither am I. So it's okay, we're the same.

898
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: But this trying to help people to understand the subjectivity

899
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: of being human and the human experience, and understanding that

900
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: we all process everything through our own window of understanding

901
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: and values and beliefs and biases and fears and ideas

902
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: and ideologies. How do we I mean this is a

903
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: question without notice. I don't even know if you have

904
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: a thought on it, But how do we become less

905
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: looking through our window and more open to be able

906
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: to understand others and genuinely less attached to being right?

907
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: Like so many fucking Australians want to be right. I'm

908
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: like chee. It's like an addiction because not being right

909
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: means I'm wrong, and being wrong means fuck, I feel vulnerable.

910
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel vulnerable. So despite the evidence,

911
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you're all wrong and I'm right.

912
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the number one priority of the ego.

913
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: It's the way that it justifies any sense of self worth,

914
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 4: which is pretty pathetic, but nonetheless it's human.

915
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: So for that reason we have love and compassion.

916
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: Right, But I think you know that's one of the

917
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: first introductions to perhaps becoming somewhat evolved is to realize,

918
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: like how petty that particular behavior adaptation is to insecurity

919
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 4: is like, well, if I can make my wife wrong,

920
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: if I can make my kids wrong, if I can

921
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: make my boss wrong, then at least I get some

922
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: sort of sense of self value. And if that's really

923
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: the only way then I'm going to get self value,

924
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: then my life isn't going to amount to much. So

925
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: I think that just to notice the behavior first of all,

926
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 4: is can be quite revelatory for people, and they go,

927
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: holy shit, you know that's pretty childish, honestly, Yeah, But

928
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: to your point of how do we get beyond that

929
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 4: that actually start to step into open or being open,

930
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: I think the funny thing is it's almost like you

931
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: don't have to worry about it because you're fucked either way, right, Like,

932
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: I'll give you a story. I can remember Klein came

933
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: to me. He wasn't married, but he had a child

934
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: with a woman, and his family very very traditional Catholic,

935
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 4: you know, big he had I think four or five siblings,

936
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: and they were getting together for Thanksgiving.

937
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: Now they knew this woman was around.

938
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 4: It wasn't like it was a secret that they had

939
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 4: a kid, but there was some sort of energy of

940
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 4: contention about the fact that he wasn't married and they'd

941
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 4: had a kid, you know, relative to the beliefs of Catholicism.

942
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: So he came to me knowing that his relationship was

943
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: on the skits, like she was very difficult to deal with,

944
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 4: you know, he knew that it was coming to an end.

945
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 4: So his question was, I don't know whether to go

946
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: with her to Thanksgiving because then it will give the

947
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 4: impression that everything's fine when it's not. But if I

948
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 4: don't go with her, then they're going to wonder what's

949
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: going on. Right, So this is how the brain works, right,

950
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: it's zeros and ones, zeros and ones binary, And this

951
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: is why we realize that anyone who comes from the

952
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 4: computer world is full of shit. In case everyone gets

953
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: that reference, it's zeros and ones doesn't work, you know,

954
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: this is this is not a mechanical world. We're on

955
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: a quantuant level. So I said to him, listen, it

956
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. He's like, well, what do you mean it

957
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: doesn't This is big, This is big. I said no,

958
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 4: because you're looking in the wrong place.

959
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: Right.

960
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: Did you watch her Raiders of the Lost Arc? Do

961
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: you remember that with Harrison full who didn't bro one

962
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 4: of the greatest movies. Right, And there's a scene where

963
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: they're the French archaeologist who's his nemesis, who's got all

964
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 4: the machines and like that's representing corporate Americas digging for

965
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 4: the art and he and his like girlfriend and that's about.

966
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: It, and he's got that chubby guy who's helping him.

967
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 4: They suddenly realize looking at the map of where the

968
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 4: arc is, they're not actually digging in the right place.

969
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: And his words, they're digging in the wrong place. And

970
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: you get this euphoric feeling like, oh my god, they're

971
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 4: digging in the wrong place.

972
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: So this is what people do. They dig in the

973
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: wrong place.

974
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: With some resolution to something without getting into the deeper

975
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: levels of why they have the problem in the first place.

976
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: Right. So I went to my guy and I said, listen,

977
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. He's like, what do you mean?

978
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: I said, until you realize that the deeper issue is

979
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 4: that you don't feel loved and accepted by your own

980
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: family to be honest enough with whatever you're dealing with.

981
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: You're not perfect you're not supposed to have got it

982
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: all right, that's where your issue is.

983
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: And he's like, you're so right, he said, you know,

984
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: I felt completely estranged from my family for many years.

985
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, because you've got self judgment. You never

986
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 4: got married, and you're in this dialogue that keeps you separate.

987
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: They love you. Maybe that's not what they wanted for you,

988
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: but that's the issue. Take it or don't take it.

989
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: You still have to face the fundamental, deep principle that you.

990
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: Don't feel loved. So to go back to your question,

991
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: how do we find this openness? Don't worry.

992
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: Life will give you shit to handle, to see where

993
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: you're not open. So it goes back to wherever you

994
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: get triggered, wherever you get upset, wherever you suffer. Now,

995
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: of course the issue, a lot of people deny it.

996
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: They don't look at it, They drink, they smoke, they

997
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: avoid it.

998
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 3: Right.

999
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, to me, fears are the greatest thing

1000
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: that we can be given because it shows us where

1001
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 4: we're not actually understanding our own magnificence. So fears are

1002
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 4: the catalyst for our own awakening. So stop avoiding fears

1003
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 4: and jump straight into them.

1004
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: You're quite good at this. I've got a name for you.

1005
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: I think you should I've got to label a moniker.

1006
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: I think you should take it for a test drive've

1007
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: maybe use it. You're welcome. I think you should call

1008
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: yourself the mind architect.

1009
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: Wow, did you just come up with that? Yeah? Like

1010
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: that me.

1011
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: I can see why. I can see why that jumbo

1012
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: eight year old in that room could really like analos

1013
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: do this analysis of these adults around him. You've got

1014
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: some sort of like gem of genius in you that

1015
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: I just don't even know how to articulate.

1016
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: I try not to wheel it out much. It's a

1017
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: gift and it's intimidating for others. So I keep that

1018
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: shit low key because I want you to keep feeling special.

1019
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: So You're welcome.

1020
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: You are, you are your eggs Son borderline sort of

1021
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: Samaritan saint like like Tiff, you know, the fact that

1022
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: she puts up with you.

1023
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm like at the intersection of the Delli Lama, Jesus, Aristotle, Epictitis,

1024
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: and Marcus Aurelius, just a bit of everything.

1025
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: And Debbie from Debbie does Dallas's.

1026
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: Just you know, just a bit of fun and fucking

1027
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: and Humphrey Bear who you don't know.

1028
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 4: Who that is, but a no, I remember him the best,

1029
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: actually the best. I was actually once accused of being

1030
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: a love child after share just because it was funny

1031
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: by the Financial Times in the UK. The journalist said,

1032
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 4: meeting Peter Crohne is like meeting Buddha, Einstein and Austin

1033
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: Powers at the same time.

1034
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, yeah.

1035
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well do you feel randy, baby? I love that

1036
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: that is. You should definitely put that on a T

1037
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: shirt and wear that shit around.

1038
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of perfect because, like, you know,

1039
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: Buddha's all the spiritual shit. Einstein, let's get into the

1040
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: actual practical part of being human and physics, and then

1041
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: Einstein's like.

1042
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's shag and let's not take things too seriously. Baby,

1043
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: It's all about love. Yeah, you know.

1044
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think that all of that stuff can coexist, right.

1045
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: I think we can be deep thinkers, and we can

1046
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: be loving and kind and compassionate and clever and funny

1047
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: and inappropriate. You know. I feel some people feel compelled

1048
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: to be a certain way. I'm spiritual, are you like?

1049
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: Even the fact that you say I'm spiritual maybe makes

1050
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: me think you're not but or whatever, you know, just

1051
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing of being able to be yourself whatever

1052
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: that means. Mate, I love talking to you. You are really,

1053
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: really an interesting person. And I didn't know, but now

1054
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I know, and I've checked you out. You're amazing, and

1055
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: you're doing great work, and you're an I mean, I

1056
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: know you know all this shit, but I love the

1057
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: way that you communicate what can be complicated things in

1058
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: a very digestible way. Tell people where they can catch

1059
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: up with you, follow you, you know, connect with you

1060
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: well personally.

1061
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: Thank you. It means a lot. It's been a pleasure.

1062
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: Obviously we'd never had the chance to chat before, but

1063
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 4: I feel we could chat for a few hours and

1064
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 4: meet your friend over at the coffee shop and talk

1065
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: about Islam and whatever. But they can find me at

1066
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 4: Peter Crone Officials, Instagram and then just my website Petercrone

1067
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 4: dot com. I think Peter Crone and mine architect on Facebook.

1068
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Facebook person, you know. If people

1069
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 4: prefer that method of connection, that's where they can find me.

1070
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: You're fantastic. If you stay on the call for one

1071
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: minute after we sign off, that'd be great, Tiff, Thank you.

1072
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: Thanks halfs. Thanks Peter, it was excellent, Tiff.

1073
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I saw you make a couple of notes

1074
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: or maybe you're just writing love notes to a boyfriend

1075
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 4: or something.

1076
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, but did you capture something of profound

1077
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: interest there?

1078
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: I actually do you know? What I found interesting is

1079
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: when I reached out to you, I had this not

1080
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: a hesitation, but I thought, you're so similar in what

1081
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: you talk about to Craig. But what I loved especially

1082
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: with this and we had, you know, a lot of

1083
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: a lot of different people on but you guys have

1084
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Speaker 2: these similar concepts, but you're you articulate them so differently.

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Speaker 2: And I really loved this conversation a lot. But he

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Speaker 2: did fail to ask one really important question that I

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Speaker 2: need to right now, and that is who has signed

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Speaker 2: the boxing glove behind you?

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Speaker 4: Ah, the powers of observation? He is still early. Craig's

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Speaker 4: got to like, he's got to wipe his glassle So

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Speaker 4: so I'll give you a I'll give you a guest.

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Speaker 3: Oh Ali.

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Speaker 1: Done? Oh wow? Well what you mean?

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Speaker 3: Ali?

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Speaker 2: G right?

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Speaker 3: Like answer? Yeah? What's his name?

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Speaker 1: Cohen, Sasha Basha Cohen, whatever his name is, Sasha Baron Cohen.

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron he's funny. Well, TIFs a boxer, so

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Speaker 1: she loves.

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Speaker 4: Oh all right, Well, if ever I come down there,

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Speaker 4: which would be a joy to connect at some point,

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Speaker 4: As I said, it'd be fun to have a coffee.

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Speaker 4: Then I'll make sure I don't do anything to piss

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Speaker 4: off TIF.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we work remotely because she punches me

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Speaker 1: in the face when I shit her, which is pretty often.

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Speaker 1: She's quite aggressive. She smiles and stuff because you're here.

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Speaker 1: But it's a fucking show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one thing, Champion before we go. You've got

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Speaker 1: a program coming up. Tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: that and how people might get involved.

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Speaker 3: I do, thank you. It's it's been fun.

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Speaker 4: I've done these workshops, certainly through this whole COVID period

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Speaker 4: where people have struggled with stuff, and so we've got

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Speaker 4: one coming up middle of June. I'll confirm the date.

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Speaker 4: But it's on anxiety.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I realized that I speak to a lot of these things,

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Speaker 4: relationship health, but something that really plagues everybody is that

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Speaker 4: arena of worry, concern, apprehension, fear and anxiety. So it's

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Speaker 4: only a couple of hours, but it's usually very profound.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually going to unpack the precursors to why anyone

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Speaker 4: worries about anything as part of our subconscious so incredibly powerful.

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Speaker 1: So great, I might even come. Obviously it's online. I

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Speaker 1: actually might come. Can I get a discount or anything?

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Speaker 3: Is there? Yeah, I'll send you the family mates.

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Speaker 1: Great, all right, mate, perfect mate, stay on the call.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for spending some time with us

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Speaker 1: on the You project.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and welcome, Thanks me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone,