WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 3 October

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Skyins Australia. This is to Nika de Georgio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to the program. Coming up tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>A shocking terror attack on a synagogue Rocks Manchester in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK. This should serve as a wake up call

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<v Speaker 3>to us here in Australia. I'll speak with Liberal Senator

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<v Speaker 3>just Center Nampajipper Price. Shortly New South Wales police launched

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<v Speaker 3>legal action to block a planned pro Palestine protest at

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<v Speaker 3>the Sydney Opera House. Six people, including Isis brides, have

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<v Speaker 3>smuggled themselves out of Syria and returned to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor is aware, so why the secrecy, And a.

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<v Speaker 3>Day after the Coalition indicates it will revive its nuclear campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>Labor rolls out the scare tactics already for first tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew it would happen, and it has.

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<v Speaker 3>Jews have been murdered at their own place of worship.

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<v Speaker 3>After two years of taunts, anti Semitic attacks, pro Palestine rallies,

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<v Speaker 3>threats and intimidation or bobbing along festering, growing and growing,

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<v Speaker 3>someone has actually gone and done it. On the holiest

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<v Speaker 3>day on the Jewish calendar, Yom Kapoor two Jews murdered

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<v Speaker 3>in cold blood in a terror attack on western soil.

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<v Speaker 3>Well here it is, ladies and gentlemen, the globalize, the

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<v Speaker 3>inter Fada, that anti Israel brigade preach week in, week out,

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<v Speaker 3>that we hear it's happening in front of our very eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yet another day of thoughts and prayers and condolences

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<v Speaker 3>to the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're too late now, way too late. The horse has bolted.

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<v Speaker 3>And the scary part is, don't think it can't happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>In Manchester on Thursday morning local time, two people were

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<v Speaker 3>killed when a car was driven into crowds at the

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<v Speaker 3>Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation a gog. The victims were then

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<v Speaker 3>stabbed to death. Here is how it unfolded and a warning.

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<v Speaker 3>This vision is distressing.

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<v Speaker 1>On release, their guns trained on the suspected attack.

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<v Speaker 4>Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried to get members of the public away. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it's school, they stubbed in. No, he's got a Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>A victim of the attack lies on the floor.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm John bars in a minute's past the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>When the attacker ignored their instructions, shoot him.

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<v Speaker 3>The terrorist has been identified as g had Ol Charmi,

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<v Speaker 3>a thirty five year old British citizen of Syrian descent.

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<v Speaker 3>He was shot dead by police at the scene. UK

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<v Speaker 3>police have now confirmed three people have been arrested and

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<v Speaker 3>are being held on suspicion of commission, preparation and investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Of acts of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 3>They are two men in their thirties and a woman

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<v Speaker 3>in their sixties. And the saddest part of all this

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<v Speaker 3>is are we even surprised that it's happened now?

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to say it, but I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Hate has been allowed to fester in democratic nations around

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<v Speaker 3>the world, and we certainly aren't immune. The West is

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<v Speaker 3>losing the fight, and it sits at the feet of woeful,

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<v Speaker 3>weak and incompetent leaders like Anthony Albanesi, like UK Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister Kiir Stamer. When you demonize Israel, reward terror, turn

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<v Speaker 3>a blind eye to hate on home soil, purely for politics,

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<v Speaker 3>it creates the perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Environment for anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>This attack in Manchester is a consequence someone has taken

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<v Speaker 3>it into their own hands. The world is a soup

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<v Speaker 3>bowl of hate, entrenched in an ideology which has been

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<v Speaker 3>thrust upon Western democracies under the guise of healthy and

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<v Speaker 3>sustainable multiculturalism. Now we cannot sugarcoat this anymore because we

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<v Speaker 3>are losing the battle. Jews have now been murdered in

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<v Speaker 3>a place where they should feel the most safe.

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<v Speaker 2>How many more warnings do our leaders need yet?

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<v Speaker 3>A conger line of them fell over themselves at the

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<v Speaker 3>United Nations two weeks ago and recognized Palestine, including Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Albanizi and who gave him and Kiir Stamer a pat

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<v Speaker 3>on the back Humus, So again, are we really surprised

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<v Speaker 3>at what has happened overnight? The haters have been emboldened

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<v Speaker 3>and have been given a tick of approval.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Think that this can't or won't happen here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>The warnings are flashing right in front of us. Week in,

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<v Speaker 3>week out. We are subjected to hateful anti Israel protests.

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<v Speaker 3>Flags of terror groups are being waved in our streets.

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<v Speaker 3>Hate preachers brag about being elated by the Hamas Terra attacks.

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<v Speaker 3>The Australian and Israeli flags are set alight, a portrait

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<v Speaker 3>of the Ayatollah of Iran is carried across the Harbor Bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Synagogues and businesses are torched.

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<v Speaker 3>Iran is responsible for two of those attacks on home soil.

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<v Speaker 3>Antisemitic slogans are graffitied on houses and businesses. Jews are

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<v Speaker 3>intimidated day in day out. Nurses are filmed on camera

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly saying they would kill Jewish patients. And now in

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<v Speaker 3>Manchester it would appear someone has taken all of this

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<v Speaker 3>a step further.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Last night here in Sydney, as this attack was unfolding,

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of the word world, the anti

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<v Speaker 3>Israel mob were at it again. Hundreds took to the

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<v Speaker 3>streets protesting against Greta Thunberg's flotilla being stopped by the IDF.

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<v Speaker 3>They actually think that Greta and her merry band of

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<v Speaker 3>followers are the real victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>This video was posted to social media by Stand for Palestine,

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<v Speaker 3>a group established by his Butteria activists, a prescribed terror

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<v Speaker 3>group in the UK. And now we're seeing activists wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to hijack the Sydney Opera House for a second time

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<v Speaker 3>to spread their message of hate and division.

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<v Speaker 2>And they want to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>On October twelve, five days after Jews pause to reflect

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<v Speaker 3>on the second anniversary of the largest loss of life

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<v Speaker 3>since the Holocaust, and I will have more to say

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<v Speaker 3>about this planned protest later in the show, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Opposition leader Susan Lee summed up the mood today.

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<v Speaker 6>I just felt sick when I read through what had

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<v Speaker 6>happened in the UK and the terror and the toxic

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<v Speaker 6>hatred that underpins this hideous anti semitism. Now we do

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<v Speaker 6>need to draw a line in the sand when it

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<v Speaker 6>comes to the protests that we continue to see in

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<v Speaker 6>this country that are at this point in time completely counterproductive.

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<v Speaker 6>They do come from a position of division and hatred.

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<v Speaker 3>We are literally watching our country fall apart, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Manchester terror attack could not be a bigger warning. Now

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<v Speaker 3>we can't hide away from the truth anymore. We have

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<v Speaker 3>let some people into Western countries who have extremist values

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<v Speaker 3>which are incompatible with a Western democracy. They hate us,

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<v Speaker 3>they hate the West, they hate our values and what

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<v Speaker 3>we stand for. And based on what we have witnessed

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<v Speaker 3>here since October seven, twenty twenty three, the complete fraying

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<v Speaker 3>and decay of our social fibers, I do not think

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<v Speaker 3>we have control over the culture we are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>create here anymore. Labour granted three thousand Gazans visitor visas

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<v Speaker 3>last year with little to no security checks. Two weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke had a private meet and

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<v Speaker 3>greet at Sydney Airport with dozens of refugees from Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not suggesting anyone in this cohort is problematic. However,

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<v Speaker 3>the question needs to be asked of all new arrivals

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<v Speaker 3>into the country, what security checks have been carried out?

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<v Speaker 3>And in the last hour we have just found out

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<v Speaker 3>that six people, including ISIS brides, have smuggled themselves out

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<v Speaker 3>of Syria and returned to Australia. The Herald's son is

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<v Speaker 3>reporting that Labor is aware of the group, including some

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<v Speaker 3>of the women's children, and after being processed by Lebanese

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<v Speaker 3>agencies and comprehensive security checks and DNA testing by Australian agencies,

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<v Speaker 3>they were issued passports. Well, who approved this and why

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<v Speaker 3>was it kept secret? We should know if there are

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<v Speaker 3>any risks, And look, Anthony Albanezi has been weak and

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<v Speaker 3>merely mouthed from day one. Stand up and have some courage,

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister. The global Interfarta is playing out in front

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<v Speaker 3>of us. And if this terror attack in Manchester is

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<v Speaker 3>not a big enough wake up call, I truly fear

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<v Speaker 3>for this country. Joining me now for more on this

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<v Speaker 3>is liberal Senator just into nampajimper Price. Senator, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much for your time this evening. What warning does

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<v Speaker 3>the Manchester terror attack send to Australia?

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<v Speaker 7>Look, Danaka, what happened in Manchester, This devastating terror attack.

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<v Speaker 7>It is a devastating reminder of what can happen when

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<v Speaker 7>we tolerate hate, When our leaders tolerate hate in our country,

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<v Speaker 7>is it.

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<v Speaker 8>Leads to this, It leads to terror.

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<v Speaker 7>Basically, we are silly if we think here in Australia

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<v Speaker 7>that somehow this couldn't happen to us. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 7>have already seen, you know, the firebombing of the synagogue

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<v Speaker 7>in Melbourne and attacks on other Jewish businesses. But it

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<v Speaker 7>is high time that our Prime Minister actually woke up

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<v Speaker 7>to himself and decided that our Jewish community in Australia

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<v Speaker 7>requires their human rights to be upheld, requires the opportunity

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<v Speaker 7>to live in a country that is about ensuring that

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<v Speaker 7>they are safe from terror, and that goes to the

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<v Speaker 7>rest of our community as well to the broader community,

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<v Speaker 7>the broader Australian community. And I suppose what I'd like

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<v Speaker 7>to see is our Prime Minister and his government and

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<v Speaker 7>further abroad, you know, all of those in leadership right

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<v Speaker 7>across the country act with courage and some moral clarity

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<v Speaker 7>about the anti Semitism that we know has spread like

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<v Speaker 7>wildfire ever since the seventh of October twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 7>ever since the first round of protests that took place

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<v Speaker 7>not long after the seventh of October on the footsteps

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<v Speaker 7>of the Opera House.

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<v Speaker 8>Our primein is to fail. Then he has continued to

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<v Speaker 8>fail along the way.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm sorry, but his words, he's merely mouthed words

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<v Speaker 7>are just not are just not good enough now for

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<v Speaker 7>what we're seeing escalate in other parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 7>He was just in the UK himself, and of course

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<v Speaker 7>he needs to take a stronger stance right here in

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<v Speaker 7>Australia for the betterment of our community, our social cohesion,

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<v Speaker 7>and for the Jewish community more particularly.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, absolutely, he has been weak from day one and

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<v Speaker 3>we are seeing this playing across our country right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I said, just then, don't think that this

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<v Speaker 3>can't happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the scariest part out of all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this, and I think it really should serve as

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<v Speaker 3>a warning to Australia. And the other thing is, Senator,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm yet to see any of these pro Palestine protesters

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<v Speaker 3>come out and support a plan for peace which was

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<v Speaker 3>put forward by Donald Trump this week. I found it

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<v Speaker 3>extraordinary the Prime Minister claimed that it was his recognition

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<v Speaker 3>of Palestine that created a positive momentum for it. In

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<v Speaker 3>the last few hours, the leader of Hamasa's military Win

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<v Speaker 3>and Gaza has reportedly rejected the proposal.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the case, where does it leave this warp.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean the stupidity and thinking that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>Prime Minister thinking that recognizing Palestine in statehood would somehow

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<v Speaker 7>mean that all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 8>Harmas is going to behave as though they belong.

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<v Speaker 7>To a state and act accordingly with international law is

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<v Speaker 7>utterly ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 8>But what our Prime minister did was.

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<v Speaker 7>Emboldens to knuckle down and take the position that they

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<v Speaker 7>want to take. I mean, obviously what they've done so

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<v Speaker 7>far has worked for them. I mean it has ensured

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<v Speaker 7>that this hatred has spread onto the streets of Western

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<v Speaker 7>nations such as ours. It is seen leaders of Western

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<v Speaker 7>nations recognize them in statehood, but it doesn't mean, it

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<v Speaker 7>hasn't meant that they've then taken up what it means.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, legitimate.

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<v Speaker 7>Legitimacy is based on peace, it's based on accountability. And

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<v Speaker 7>Hamas's yet to present themselves in any light, in any

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<v Speaker 7>kind of light, in those terms, and they haven't. They

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<v Speaker 7>failed to release the hostages obviously that they've held on too.

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, it is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 7>For the Prime Minister to think that he has somehow

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<v Speaker 7>contributed toward these peace negotiations. Clearly they're not listening to

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<v Speaker 7>you now, Prime Minister. They only wanted to praise you

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<v Speaker 7>when you did things that favored them and benefited them.

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<v Speaker 8>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>But right now, obviously everybody is over this war in

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<v Speaker 7>the Middle East. We know that the Israelis are They

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<v Speaker 7>want their hostages home, and rightly so those hostages, it's

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<v Speaker 7>been far too long. It should be at home with

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<v Speaker 7>their families and Western nations the UN needs to do

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<v Speaker 7>more in that vein to put pressure onto Humus. Humusk

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<v Speaker 7>created this in the first place. They still have the power,

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<v Speaker 7>control the power, but instead they think appeasement is going

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<v Speaker 7>to bring about peace.

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<v Speaker 8>Well we're not seeing that yet, are we.

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<v Speaker 2>No, look at your spot on I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you another matter.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that the coalition will stick to a nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>policy that was indicated this week by the Shadow Energy Minister,

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Tee, and are you pleased to hear it?

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<v Speaker 8>Look, I'm absolutely pleased to hear it.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we have great unlocked resources in uranium here

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<v Speaker 7>in our very own country, in our very own backyard.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>I recently had a.

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<v Speaker 7>Meeting with Kiir Starmer's Foreign Trade Envoy member and he

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<v Speaker 7>was talking to me about the fact that he thought, well,

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<v Speaker 7>it's probably high time that Australia lifted our moratorium and

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<v Speaker 7>had an actual debate on uclear because nations like the

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<v Speaker 7>UK and America, as we know absolutely there is a

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<v Speaker 7>renaissance happening in terms of nuclear power, as Dantean, our

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<v Speaker 7>shadow Energy Minister, is highlighted, and we need to get

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<v Speaker 7>on the front foot with this instead of finding ourselves

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<v Speaker 7>going backward when it comes to energy policy in our country.

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<v Speaker 7>And the fact that this government, the Labor government, Alberanezi's government,

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<v Speaker 7>has ensured that our energy prices have skyrocketed, our energy

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<v Speaker 7>is becoming more unreliable. But no, it's all about euclear

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<v Speaker 7>and the best way forward. And I support this wholeheartedly.

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<v Speaker 7>I always have, and I think Dantean's done a great

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<v Speaker 7>job in lookoking out how the technology is advancing and

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<v Speaker 7>how we need to get on board with that.

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<v Speaker 8>It's common sense and we need to put.

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<v Speaker 7>The ideology aside to all of this and invest in

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<v Speaker 7>what we should be doing like other Western nations around

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<v Speaker 7>the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I completely agree we need cheap, reliable energy because

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<v Speaker 3>we're on a pathway where the lights are not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be kept on in this country. So I applaud

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<v Speaker 3>the coalition if they are indeed going to be adopting this.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we let you go, Senator, I have to ask

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<v Speaker 3>you about Susan Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you back her as leader?

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<v Speaker 7>Look, I mean I support the leader. I respect the leader.

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<v Speaker 7>This is her job, this is her role. She must

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<v Speaker 7>be respected as the leader and what she's trying to

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<v Speaker 7>do to lead the Liberal Party going forward. I hope

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<v Speaker 7>that as a party we can stop the infighting and

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<v Speaker 7>support one another and actually for well come up with

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<v Speaker 7>some policies, because I think we've got a bit of

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<v Speaker 7>a policy vacuum so that we can stamp our.

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<v Speaker 8>Ground and we can draw a line in the sand.

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<v Speaker 7>And we can say this is what we stand for,

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<v Speaker 7>so the Australian people understand what it is we stand for.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, as a backbencher, obviously there are issues that

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<v Speaker 7>I am utterly passionate about that I will continue to

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<v Speaker 7>fight for because I am about making sure that we

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<v Speaker 7>are listening to the Australian people, to the quiet Australians

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<v Speaker 7>who have felt like they've largely been ignored. And it

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<v Speaker 7>is our roleage in every one of us who are

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<v Speaker 7>elected to Parliament by the Australian people, to do so.

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<v Speaker 7>But I do hope that we can come up with

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<v Speaker 7>some great policies that we can all get behind, so

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<v Speaker 7>that we can demonstrate that we are a strong opposition

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<v Speaker 7>because our country needs that desperately right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Australians are calling out for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely agree, absolutely just into napajimber Price. Really appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>your time. Thank you so much for joining me on

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<v Speaker 3>the show this evening.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Deneka.

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<v Speaker 3>Well let's return now to the Manchester terror attack. Here

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<v Speaker 3>was the UK Prime Minister Kia Stamer's response.

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<v Speaker 9>To every Jewish person in this country. I also want

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<v Speaker 9>to say this, I know how much fear you will

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<v Speaker 9>be holding inside of you. I really do. I express

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<v Speaker 9>my solidarity but also my sadness that you still have

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<v Speaker 9>to live with these fears. Nobody should have to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now is Reform.

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<v Speaker 3>UK Counselor for County Durham, Darren Grimes. Darren, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much for joining me. Look, you know you're Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister just recognized Palestine. He's demonized Israel for the past

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<v Speaker 3>two years and has shown incredibly weak leadership and now

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<v Speaker 3>he claims he knows how much fear Jews in the

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<v Speaker 3>UK must have.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of his response to this attack?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think Danika that actually those words run about

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<v Speaker 5>as hollow as skull does.

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<v Speaker 10>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a man who has spent the last two

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<v Speaker 5>years totally demonize in Israel to try and appease his

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<v Speaker 5>backbenchers who are like a baying mob towards the Jews

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<v Speaker 5>in Israel, and of course to his party membership, which

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<v Speaker 5>are somewhere to the left of I don't know the

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<v Speaker 5>politics of Jeremy Corbyn, so recognize in Palestine. Actually, in

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<v Speaker 5>my view, were saying to the terrorists that actually they

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<v Speaker 5>got what they want. They basically are having October seven's

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<v Speaker 5>actions endorsed and appeasing the very movement that actually fuel

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<v Speaker 5>the hatred of Jews that culminates in the attack on

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<v Speaker 5>the synagogue yesterday. He tells the Jewish community here that

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<v Speaker 5>he knows their fear, but actually, Danika, I would argue

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<v Speaker 5>that it's his weakness that has helped exacerbate and ferment

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<v Speaker 5>that fear. I'm thirty two years old, I'm not Jewish,

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<v Speaker 5>but i feel, Dnika, like I've watched my country be

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<v Speaker 5>dismantled and replaced with something utterly foreign. You know, Jewish

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<v Speaker 5>schools and synagogues in Britain now need permanent security as

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<v Speaker 5>if we're in a war zone and not the state

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<v Speaker 5>of Israel. It isn't leadership. It's a total and a

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<v Speaker 5>cultural surrender, and it sickens me to the very core

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<v Speaker 5>of my being.

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<v Speaker 3>Look you're not wrong, and I'm afraid it's happening over

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<v Speaker 3>here in Australia too, Darren. And look I've got to

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<v Speaker 3>show you this because hours after the attack, pro Palestine

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<v Speaker 3>protesters descended on Whitehall.

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<v Speaker 1>Darren.

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<v Speaker 3>They think that Greta and her Mary band of followers

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<v Speaker 3>are the real victims on a day that Jews are

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<v Speaker 3>slaughtered in their place of worship.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, you put it very well there. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the double standards. We're told that the so called

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<v Speaker 5>far right are the big threat. You know Apple TV.

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<v Speaker 5>I note in their big drama slow Horses have a

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<v Speaker 5>far right threat shooting to death a poor Muslim mayer.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is just all it's grotesque, the distortion

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<v Speaker 5>of reality within the position that we're in in the West.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, more than two thousand arrests have come from

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<v Speaker 5>gaza based protests. But if a far right thug right

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<v Speaker 5>Danika had stormed a Manchester mosque and slaughtered the worship

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<v Speaker 5>as God forbid, do you really think the police would

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<v Speaker 5>be green light and marches from those kinds of activists

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<v Speaker 5>on the very same day. There ain't a chance. There's

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<v Speaker 5>not a cat and chance. Hell, because it's Labour's chosen

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<v Speaker 5>mobs right, they get a free pass because of the

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<v Speaker 5>cause of which they are standing. And I find it

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<v Speaker 5>utterly morally reprehensible. It's an act of political cowardice. And

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<v Speaker 5>the Labor mayors in both Manchester, Andy Burnham and Sadiq

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<v Speaker 5>Khan in London, I think have shown themselves for the weak,

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<v Speaker 5>tiny little men that they are. Shame on them, Danika,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's shames Britain, not just here but on the

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<v Speaker 5>international stage.

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<v Speaker 11>Two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look you're at your spot on. Now look before

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<v Speaker 2>we let you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has taken a swipe at

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<v Speaker 3>our Prime Minister Anthony Aberesi after he failed to meet

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<v Speaker 3>him on his recent tour of the UK. Now you

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<v Speaker 3>recall that Albo addressed the UK Labor Party conference last

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<v Speaker 3>week where he accused Reform.

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<v Speaker 2>Of dividing people Darren.

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<v Speaker 3>Nigel Farage says that Anthony Aberenese has failed to recognize

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<v Speaker 3>the current shift in political sentiment across the West.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not wrong, is he?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely not. Nigel's absolutely spot on. You know, leaders like Alberzi, Starmer, Trudeau, Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>You know there, I just want to break out in

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<v Speaker 5>a sort of rendition of YMCA, you know, because it's

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 5>that sort of progres aggressive politics. They all sing from

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:06.960
<v Speaker 5>the same hymnsheet, Daneeka. They sneer at so called populism.

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<v Speaker 5>They accuse us of dividing people, which is incredibly hypocritical

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<v Speaker 5>given with the kinds of things that they parrot on

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<v Speaker 5>a daily basis. But they refuse to actually face the truth,

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<v Speaker 5>and the truth is very simple ordinary men and ordinary

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<v Speaker 5>women across the West. They're sick of mass migration. They're

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<v Speaker 5>sick of the threat to themselves and the children. They're

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<v Speaker 5>sick of the Green zealotry making their lives colder and poorer.

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<v Speaker 5>They're sick of being told that their own culture and

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<v Speaker 5>the generations of their ancestors who've fought and fermented said culture,

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<v Speaker 5>are uddly worthless. The political whether it's shifting very very

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<v Speaker 5>fast indeed, but the Left are stuck in their university

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<v Speaker 5>seminar rooms and they just simply do not get it.

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<v Speaker 5>They're about to be swallowed up by it, though, And

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<v Speaker 5>we don't want the scenes, Daneeka. I would just finish

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<v Speaker 5>with the scenes like those a couple of years back

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<v Speaker 5>calling for horrific acts against Jews outside of the Sydney

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<v Speaker 5>Opera house. We don't want to see terror attacks on

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<v Speaker 5>the streets and synagogues of Britain. And I suggest that

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<v Speaker 5>we use arrogant Albanesi and his progressive prats as fuel

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<v Speaker 5>for our fights. You know, our version of patriotism, our

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<v Speaker 5>version of national renewal, will have to be bold, We'll

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<v Speaker 5>have to be unashamed. We've got to be actually rooted

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<v Speaker 5>in a belief in who we are, our history, and

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<v Speaker 5>confident in our self defense because this isn't someone else's war,

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<v Speaker 5>This isn't just Israel's war, Danika, this is our war

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<v Speaker 5>taking place on the streets of Australia and the United Kingdom.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely spot on, and Israel is fighting terror for the West,

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<v Speaker 3>not just fighting for their own survival, for all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>And what a shame and what a blight on leaders

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<v Speaker 3>like Anthony Abernese and Kirstama that they are so blind

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<v Speaker 3>to see what's going on. Darren Grimes, great to see you,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for joining me on show this evening.

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<v Speaker 5>Always a pleasure to think. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up after the break, New South Wales Police will

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is New South Wales Independent MP Tanya

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<v Speaker 3>Mahlik and former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliot.

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<v Speaker 2>Height to both of you. Thanks so much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 3>As always, I want to start with your reactions to

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<v Speaker 3>that horrific terror attack on a synagogue in Manchester. What

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<v Speaker 3>warning do you think, Tanya, does it serve for Australia.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, Australia needs to make sure that we don't become

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<v Speaker 11>lax in the way that we monitor these organizations and

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<v Speaker 11>these people.

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<v Speaker 12>My cot soon for what's happened in the.

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<v Speaker 11>UK is that political cowardice has led to complacency too much.

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<v Speaker 11>PC concerns there have led to the UK government not

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<v Speaker 11>being on top of the various different organizations they need

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<v Speaker 11>to monitor and the people they need to monitor.

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<v Speaker 12>And Australia needs to learn that too. You can't become.

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<v Speaker 11>Laxed and relaxed about potential acts of terror.

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<v Speaker 12>You absolutely can't be.

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<v Speaker 11>You've got to use your telecommunications powers, you've got to

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<v Speaker 11>use the digital electronic powers, and you've got to monitor people,

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<v Speaker 11>and you've got to monitor organizations. You can't tell me

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<v Speaker 11>that these people don't plan these attacks. They do, and

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<v Speaker 11>somebody knows about these types of attacks, and they're not

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<v Speaker 11>informing the police like they should be in Australia needs

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<v Speaker 11>to absolutely be alert and watch this space.

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<v Speaker 2>Look.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, but my concern David is you know we

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<v Speaker 3>have seen a lot of antisemity. It's been festering now

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<v Speaker 3>for two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't say that this can't happen here. I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>just took.

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<v Speaker 3>One person over there, one person to just go for

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<v Speaker 3>it and take matters into their.

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<v Speaker 13>Own hands and that's right, and Tanya's right. I mean

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<v Speaker 13>this is proof positive that we cannot downgrade our security ratings.

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<v Speaker 13>We cannot just become intolerant because it's politically incorrect to

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<v Speaker 13>say that we have a higher level of a security

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<v Speaker 13>rating here or in the United Kingdom. I think the

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.360
<v Speaker 13>intelligence genesies need to come solid, need to come out

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<v Speaker 13>and say if this bloke was on their radar, because

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 13>if it wasn't on their radar, well then the community

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<v Speaker 13>needs to know that we really do have to be

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<v Speaker 13>prepared for radicalization from nowhere. And if this guy wasn't

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<v Speaker 13>on their radar, it's proof again that you can be

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<v Speaker 13>radicalized overnight, normally on the Internet and they'll do a job.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I completely agree with you, and look, you obviously

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<v Speaker 3>have faith in our own counter terrorism operations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that that they're on top of it. But

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>it is a worry now.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, the New South Wales Police will lodge a Supreme

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Court bid to block a pro Palestine protest at the

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Sydney Opera House in October twelve if the protester has

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 3>refused to accept an alternate route.

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<v Speaker 14>There's heightened public emotions around this and we understand it

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 14>We're not anti protest. We facilitate thousands of protests, and

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 14>in fact, with this particular group, we've been facilitating protests

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 14>and public assemblies for the last two years. So it's

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 14>not a matter of us not wanting them to have

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 14>a public asas it's not even a matter about it

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 14>being at the Opera House itself. It's about public safety.

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<v Speaker 10>They'll make the decision based on public safety grounds. I'm

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 10>not going to offer public commentary before they've spoken, if

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 10>for no other reason that I don't want to draw

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 10>attention to the organizers that seem to thrive on the

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 10>notoriety of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, at what point do we say enough

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 3>is enough? Okay, Tanya? Yes, we live in a democratic country. Yes,

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 3>of course that means we have a right to protest.

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 3>But there is deep seated divisions at these protests that

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 3>we're seeing week in week out, and we know exactly

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 3>what happened last time at the Sydney Opera House a

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 3>few days after October seven.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh Look, and can I just firstly start, well done

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 11>to pen McKenna.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 12>That was a very good press conference city. I'm tooked today.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 11>I made it very clear the police have real concerns

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 11>about the public safety and the amenity of Opera House

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 11>being used as a protest site. The common sense should prevail.

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 11>The group now know that there is an alternative. The

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 11>police have offered them an alternative. If they don't accept

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 11>the alternative route, then it tells you that there's a

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 11>reckless indifference about Australian institutions, as a reckless indifference about

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 11>Australian democracy and a reckless indifference about Australian way of life,

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 11>because that's what this group's about. This is a group

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 11>that's based on anarchy. It's about protests for protests sake,

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 11>and I think Australians have had enough. The police are

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 11>doing everything they can in fairness, So it's the government

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 11>I think. I think Chris means is I think opposed.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 2>He were very good on this matter from the.

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 12>Caucus, isn't He's got a large proportion of caucus.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 11>Who actually attended the Harbor Bridge protest last time. But nevertheless,

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 11>he himself has been good on this issue, as have

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 11>the police.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 12>There is an.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.479
<v Speaker 11>Alternative route available. What are the protests is going to do?

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 11>And if they don't take that up, it's then we're

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 11>clear as day Australians need to wake up. This isn't

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 11>about the issue at hand, It's about just simply devaluing

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 11>Australia's way of life.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and that is loud and clear that our

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 3>values have been eroded since, particularly since October seven. And

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 3>that goes without saying. Now you're a former minister of

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 3>course here in New South Wales there are now suggestions

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>that perhaps laws need to be changed, David stop protesters

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 3>from using iconic landmarks like the Sydney Opera House for

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 3>their protests.

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:24.959
<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with that? Is that a solution?

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 13>I think we have to because the court has clearly

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 13>said that they're contemptuous of the government and the police

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 13>will and despite the fact the police have a very

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 13>very solid safety message that is that they underestimated the

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 13>numbers on the Harvard Bridge a couple of months ago

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 13>and now they need even more support.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>And the Premier.

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 13>Probably my only criticism of the premieer is he should

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 13>have called out today that there will be a change

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 13>in the Act will that will give the police the

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 13>power to say it's not going to happen, because at

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 13>the end of the day, it is a safety sue. However,

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 13>having said all of that. There's a moral dilemmit here

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 13>as well. I mean, if I was a Palestinian or

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 13>a pro Palestinian protester, I'd be keeping the aiversary of

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 13>October seven a very low key.

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 8>Ev they did last time.

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is.

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 13>Something worth celebrating, and waving a flower over is just sickening.

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 13>So I think there is there's a moral message to

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 13>be getting to be sent out from government as well.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Now look, I'm with you all the way, and I

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>just want to learn our viewers that there will be

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>a special documentary investigating the rise of anti Semitism here

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 3>on Sky News Australia on Wednesday, October eighth at seven

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 3>thirty pm, so you won't want to miss that one.

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Now earlier I spoke about this. In the last hour,

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 3>we've just found out that six people, including ISIS brides,

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 3>have smuggled themselves out of Syria and returned to Australia.

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>The Herald son is reporting Labor is aware of the group,

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 3>including some of the women's children. After being processed by

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Lebanese agencies and comprehensive security checks and DNA testing by

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Australian agencies, they were issued passports David, you were the

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 3>state's first counter terrorism minister. Does this pass the pub test?

0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 3>How does this happen first? So that they come here,

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>we are in secret, we know nothing about them. Apparently

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 3>they've had security checks.

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Does that stack up well?

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 13>I'd like to see the security checks because at the

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 13>end of the day when I was the minis of

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 13>a counter terrorism the major concern was that they had

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 13>not been deradicalized when they returned to Australia. And what

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 13>we've seen in Manchester is somebody who came out from

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 13>nowhere to create an horrific act, to undertake a horrific act,

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 13>and there's no guarantee that somebody has come from the

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 13>type of background that they've lived in in Syria, that

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 13>they're not sleepers from one of the better word and

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 13>the concern, of course is that they will go and

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 13>live amongst the very communities that they've been at war

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 13>with in the Middle East. And I think this really

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 13>should be a line in the sand for the Australian

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 13>intelligence agencies and law enforcements agencies. They really do need

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 13>to say to government we need the political air crve,

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 13>but to change the rules to prevent this from occurring.

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 11>Look, absolutely the governments will for the change data, which

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 11>I don't think it is. I think the government's welcoming

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 11>these women back.

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 12>That's the problem.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 11>I mean, these women willingly became Isis brides. I just

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 11>cannot believe that there's even a thought bubble out there

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 11>that we would bring them back into Australia. They are indoctrinated,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 11>they're completely in my.

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 12>View, you can't save these people.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 11>And the idea that they're coming back into Australia, why

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 11>because we're going to put the tax bill, aren't we

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 11>We're going to pay for the health, wealth needs, their

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 11>eddication needs, their housing needs. This is absurd and David's

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 11>right the safety issue as well. You've got the Australian

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 11>Assyrian Christian community who have escaped from Syria to get

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 11>away from ISIS, who will now be forced to live

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 11>amongst these people.

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, urrageous they've gone over there on this

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Gehardi romance, and you know what, we're just supposed to

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>just welcome them back.

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>With open arms. You know, give me a breaking seriously,

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Tanyam Haylock, David Eli, we've got to leave it there.

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much as always for joining me. I

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it. Stay with us.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Coming up after the break, I'll catch up with Stephanie

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<v Speaker 3>Bastian Women's Form Australia, following just Into Alan's shopping response

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 3>to a male prisoner housed in a female jail.

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>That's next.

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, we live in a strange country where women in

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 3>leadership roles don't know what a woman is and would

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 3>rather portray the rights of women in favor of warped

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 3>gender ideology. Yesterday, Victorian Premier just Into Alan came out

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 3>of hiding and refused to comment on the case of

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 3>a male sex offender who raped his own daughter and

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 3>is now being housed in a women's only prison because

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 3>he now identifies as a woman.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 15>And I'm just not going to comment on individual cases

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 15>because that would then infer, that would then infer. But no,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 15>but I think more generally, again, it's difficult to make

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 15>general comments that wouldn't then reflect on this particular set

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 15>of individual circumstances because they are particularly unique.

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Head of Advocacy at Women's Forum Australia, Stephanie Bastian rites

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 3>in The Australian today, when we allow corrections policy and

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 3>our laws to be dictated by activists it is women

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 3>and children that bear the heaviest burden of harm. And

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Stephanie joins me. Now, thank you very much for your

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 3>time this evening. Look, you raise a very good point

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 3>here because we have female activists like just Center Alan

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 3>in charge who were more intent on actually protecting the

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.959
<v Speaker 3>rights of a very small percentage of the population than

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.240
<v Speaker 3>every woman in her state.

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 16>Well, good evening, Denika, great to join you, and can

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 16>I also just thank you quickly for your interview last

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.840
<v Speaker 16>week with Rachel Wall and kicking off this very important

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 16>national debate with James McPherson. Jasiner Allen has shown appalling

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 16>leadership this week. I don't know how she can have

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 16>the faith in corrections Victoria.

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 8>I mean, in.

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 16>Twenty twenty two they fit to place a male rapist

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 16>back in prison for assaulting a woman in the female prison.

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 16>They've got no judgment whatsoever. And I spoke to a

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 16>source who works within the prison recently who advised me

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 16>that when males are looking to transfer into female prisons,

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 16>they put the women into lockdown. This is a horrendous

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 16>breach of human rights in the way that they are

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 16>handling these cases is appalling. So I think that we

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 16>need to ensure that she is held accountable, that we

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 16>don't stop pushing the buck until she comes to the

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 16>table on this, because at the end of the day,

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 16>very vulnerable women in prison are the most at risk

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 16>of harm.

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And look, there's an overarching issue in Australia, isn't there.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 3>It involves a Sex Discrimination Act, which was of course amended.

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>By Julia Gillard.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 3>The definitions of sex man and woman were removed. So

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 3>everything that we're actually seeing playing out in Victoria right

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 3>now and other parts of the country for that matter,

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 3>is okay because the law says it is steph. We

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 3>don't know what a woman is.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 16>That's right, and I think amending the Sex Discrimination Act

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 16>is a step in the right direction. But we've got

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 16>state legislation also compounding these issues. We've got guidelines, We've

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 16>got a useless Sex Discrimination Commissioner who doesn't know the

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 16>difference between men and women, male and female. So I

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 16>think the whole system needs an overhaul. I like to

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 16>see a commitment from the opposition to investigate, to review

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 16>this whole process as an election commitment, and to make

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 16>some changes to bring Australia back to biological reality. It's

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.959
<v Speaker 16>happened in the UK, it's happened in the US. Even

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 16>New Zealand have dropped certain guidelines to do with sport

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 16>and their Health department towards biological reality. But once again

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 16>Australia is in the back order doing absolutely nothing to

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 16>the detriment of women.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Whether I think just where the laughing stock now of

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 3>the world, Like, we've just reached that point. And I

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 3>just want to ask you quickly about the Victorian Premier

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.879
<v Speaker 3>yesterday when she was asked about this case. She's said

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 3>that she can't comment it's too unique of an issue.

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:42.919
<v Speaker 2>What sort of an excuse is that?

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 8>It's not an excuse. This is a black and white issue.

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:52.240
<v Speaker 16>We are talking about biological men being in female prisons.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 16>If there are men who are in a vulnerable situation

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 16>within the prison, that is a issue for the male

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 16>prison system.

0:37:58.360 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 8>Of course they should be put into.

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 16>Their own so that they are kept safe and so

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 16>on so forth. But this is not a female issue prison.

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 16>It is not up to female prisoners, who often come

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 16>from backgrounds of trauma and abuse themselves, to somehow bear

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 16>the brunt.

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 8>Of this issue. It's just not an excuse at all.

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. But the problem is here in Australia.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 2>What is a woman?

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 3>We just don't know where. It is an absolute laugh,

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Stephanie Bastian.

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>We have to leave it there. Good to see you.

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining me.

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<v Speaker 3>Pleasure Well, it didn't take long for Labor to revive

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 3>its childish and immature nuclear energy scare campaigns again. A

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 3>day after the Coalition indicated it would likely stick to

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 3>a nuclear energy policy aka a policy for cheap reliable

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 3>energy to keep the lights on in this country and

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 3>get us off this renewables only magic carpet ride, the

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 3>Energy Minister was up to his old tricks again, posting

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 3>this picture to Instagram with the caption it may not

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>yet be Halloween, but this is the scariest film in town.

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 3>It's scary because it shows the coalition still doesn't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is nuclear for Australia. Founder Will shackle Well,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for joining me. So look that they're back already

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 3>the scare campaigns and the Coalition has not even yet

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 3>unveiled a policy.

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<v Speaker 17>Look it's concerning how Energy Minister doesn't realize that that

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 17>cooling tower is not actually a nuclear reactor. I find

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 17>it really concerning that the Labor Party is doubling down

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 17>on this because when you look around the world, the

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 17>UK and the US are committed to quadrupling nuclear power.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 17>India is planning to increase their nuclear capacity tenfold by

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 17>twenty forty seven, and China is announcing basically ten reactors

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 17>every single year. So the rest of the world is

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 17>moving ahead on this. They realize that nuclear is needed

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 17>for affordable, reliable, abundant clean energy, and it's time that

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 17>the Labor Party realize that.

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Look, absolutely, and I'm sure before too long we'll be

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 3>seeing the three headed animal pictures being rolled out. And

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 3>this is why we just can't have a proper debate

0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 3>about energy in this country because of nonsense life that Now. Look,

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 3>the Opposition energy spokesman Dan teen has returned from a

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>fact finding mission to the US and he said that

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 3>there is overwhelming agreement on the coalition side that it

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 3>needs to be part of the energy mix by nuclear. Well,

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 3>I have to ask you, do the Opposition really need

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 3>to go to the US just to find that out

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>about nuclear and then spend months trying to figure out

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 3>an energy policy.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, look, the facts about nuclear very very clear, and

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 17>I think it is encouraging that the Coalition is still

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 17>committed to nuclear power because it is needed in our mix.

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 17>I honestly wish though, that Labor politicians did the same

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 17>thing and went overseas looked at nuclear power plants with

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 17>their own eyes. They are four hundred and forty operable

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 17>nuclear reactors around the world. This is something that is

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 17>proven globally, so I really wish that they took a

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.279
<v Speaker 17>leaf out of the coalition's book right now and how

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 17>to look at it. Because there is precedent for bipartisanship

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 17>on nuclear power. The UK Labor Party is one of

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 17>the biggest supporters of nuclear around the world, and the

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 17>Democrats are also supportive of it. So obviously we would

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 17>like to see the Coalition push forward ahead with their policy.

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 17>There are positive indications coming from danteen at the moment,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 17>but at the end of the day, we need bipartisanship

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 17>on nuclear power and it is not a hard ask.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, you know, hopefully we get to that point.

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.879
<v Speaker 3>It's just we don't know with Labor on this one

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 3>way ticket to renewables fantasy.

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting will because Labor is.

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.439
<v Speaker 3>Out claiming that voters backed in their renewables only plan

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 3>and they say well, this is why we were overwhelmingly

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 3>elected at the last election. But you know, well, if

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 3>we cast our minds back, the Coalition I don't think

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 3>really prosecuted nuclear particularly towards the end. They really shied

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 3>away from it. But in your view, what part of

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 3>that policy would need to be changed or executed differently

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 3>to take a full proof plan on nuclear to the

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 3>next election.

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 17>Well, look, if the public didn't support nuclear power, you

0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 17>would expect it to have been seeing it in the

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 17>sights of the opposed nuclear power plants, but in reality

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.439
<v Speaker 17>none of them actually changed hands. That was despite over

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 17>three million dollars being spent by anti nuclear groups across

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 17>the country on an anti nuclear disinformation campaign. I think

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 17>for the coalition they need to be keeping all options

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 17>on the table, looking at the vast array of nuclear technologies,

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 17>whether it's microreactors, small modular reactors, large nuclear reactors as

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.800
<v Speaker 17>we see around the world. But at the end of

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 17>the day, the biggest priority must be lifting the nuclear

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 17>power prohibition. Australia is the only top twenty economy with

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 17>a ban on nuclear power, yet we have the most

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.720
<v Speaker 17>uranium in the world. We've got the expertise managing research

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 17>reactors and we're about to get nuclear submarines. It is

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 17>only just makes sense to lift the ban and I

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 17>hope that the coalition focus on that and then see

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 17>what else they can do in terms of nuclear policy

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 17>for Australia.

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.959
<v Speaker 3>Look, absolutely we are a uranium powerhouse. What a shame

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 3>we don't use it to its purpose. Will Shackle, thank

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 3>you very much for joining me on the program. Really

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 3>appreciate your insights.

0:42:58.640 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 17>Thank you, Danikia.

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Coming up after the break, the winners and losers of

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the week, including Greta Thunberg and a Mary band of

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 3>followers after their flotella was intercepted by the IDEA.

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Well, it is that time of the week where we

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 3>sought the winners from the losers. And helping me to

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.720
<v Speaker 3>do that is Lisa Goddard from a Doni Media. Lisa,

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 3>good to see you. Thank you so much for treating

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 3>me now. Your winner this week is the Australia Day

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Awards returning to the Sunshine Coast.

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.959
<v Speaker 4>How good is this? Finally we're seeing some common sense

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 4>come in and we haven't got counsels. Counselors actually surrendering

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 4>to this claim that we can no longer be proud

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 4>of being Australian, celebrate Australia Day. They're actually taking some

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>steps forward, and good on Mayor Roseta Noa told because

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 4>she's decided that awards that they canceled in twenty twenty three,

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 4>they're now back. They're happy to go out there and

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 4>do what Australia Day should be about, which is recognizing

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 4>and celebrating the true heroes of this country, the quiet

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 4>people in our community who are actually out there making

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 4>a difference. So I know we shouldn't be talking about

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.399
<v Speaker 4>Australia Day just yet, and it's tires and we will

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 4>have many debates leading up to the twenty sixth of January.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 4>But I just think at this point this is a

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 4>win through a council, a local council actually making a

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 4>good decision for a change.

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, finally, Lisa some common sense and I hope that

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 3>other councils follow suit. The problem is, of course, as

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 3>we would be, and the problem is, as we know,

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>is that multiple council councils they cancel their Australia Day celebrations,

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 3>they move their citizenship ceremonies to a different day. You know,

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 3>they've gone completely woke. So well done to this one

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 3>for at least showing some common sense on the matter.

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 3>I think it's great now I had to give my

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 3>winner this week to Greta.

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Lovely Greta Thunberg. Isn't she great?

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Simply because her flotilla has been a flop for a

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 3>second time, which I think is good news.

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Her and her merry band of followers have been.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Detained after being intercepted by the f IDF, and here

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 3>was her very dramatic response.

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 18>My name is Gidlingion leonis, citizen of Sweden. If you

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 18>are watching this video, I have been abduncted and taking

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 18>against my will. My Israeli courses ice humanitarian mission was

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 18>non violence and abiding by international law. Please tell my

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 18>government to demand my and the other's immediate release.

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Lisa, she thinks she's been abducted.

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, and she obviously hasn't watched and refuses to

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 4>watch those videos to understand exactly what it is to

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.439
<v Speaker 4>be abducted, in, kidnapped and worse. But look, I think

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 4>this is our own goal for her. This is a

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 4>win because one thing Greta Tumberg wants more than saving

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 4>the planet or being a pro Palacitian supporter is actually publicity,

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 4>and that's exactly what she is getting.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 17>Now.

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, she'll spend what until Sunday or Monday before

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 4>she's deported. The reports are that she'll be in some

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 4>prison where apparently there are terrorists also being held. So

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 4>I think maybe the Israel government and saying, look, you

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 4>had a crack at this in June, we sent your

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 4>home in the back rogue and next to the toilets.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 4>That wasn't enough to discourage you. So here you go,

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 4>spend some time in prison and see what it's like

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 4>and hopefully don't come back again. But if you look

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 4>at Greta Janika, I think she's having a crisis of identity.

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 4>You know what, since fifteen, has been lecturing us about

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 4>climate change and saving the planet. Now she's turned off.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 8>So Justice Warrior.

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 4>The only good news is she rides herself on being

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 4>a youth activist. And I looked up the United Nations

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 4>definition of youth is up to twenty four, so oh,

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 4>she's just over twenty two. The time frame is shortening.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh look, I mean, of course that that would be

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:19.359
<v Speaker 3>the official definition. But look, I couldn't agree more with you.

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 3>And in fact, you know what, I think Israel's done

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 3>us all a favor, really, so all the best gret

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 3>up by you know, no sympathy here. Now your loser

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 3>of the week are the children of Nicole Kidman.

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 2>And Keith Urban.

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 3>As this tabloid feeding frenzy continues over there.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Split Yeah, look like me, we are across the news

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 4>from every angle, and I can tell you from the

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 4>groups I've been around this week. Yeah, they might be

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 4>across what's happening politically, but the one story they're talking

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 4>about is this divorce between Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban.

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Look forty of marriages now in this country alone and

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.439
<v Speaker 4>in divorce, and you have to care about and think

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 4>about the kids and.

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 8>That as a couple.

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 4>They made such an effort to keep these kids out

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 4>of the media as long as they possibly could. And

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 4>once the paparazzi have gone after Keith, which I did

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 4>today at his first concert in Pennsylvania, they've snapped in

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.359
<v Speaker 4>the coal out for a walk with her sister. Yeah,

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 4>you have to feel that the next two targets will

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 4>be those kids. They try to go about their everyday

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 4>life and watch this awful soap opera play out very publicly.

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:20.640
<v Speaker 3>You're right, we do actually forget about the kids in

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.959
<v Speaker 3>this situation. But Gea, you know, I think I feel

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 3>like it's been a topic of discussion everywhere what happened

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 3>between the two of them.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>It has been about twenty twenty years.

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I think they were married for which is huge, But

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of suggestions about what may have happened.

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll never really know. But you know, if

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the Gerdo is playing Sherlock Holmes.

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh, exactly, absolutely spot on. Now my loser this week,

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Lisa is Carmla Harris. She's about to burden us again

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 3>by what has been. Would you believe she's coming back

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 3>down under this time in February to headline the Women

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Unlimited Leadership Summit. I don't know why anyone would want

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 3>to hear her talk, because I'm worried we're going to

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 3>be subjected to this.

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 19>And what can be and be unburdened by what has been.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 19>You know, there is great significance to the passage of

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 19>time in terms of what we need to do to

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 19>see the moment in time in which we exist and

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 19>are a present.

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it sends shivers down by spine stell Lisa, So

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, here's she comes. She's coming back again, and

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 3>we're going to be subjected to it all again.

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm guessing lines like leadership is about leading. How

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 4>about something like that or a ven diagram, you know,

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 4>a circle of a woman, a circle of power, that's

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 4>where the two overlapped. I just think if you come

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 4>to spend all of that money to bring her out here,

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 4>if you look at speaking fees, it's estimated she could

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 4>be charging around three hundred thousand dollars to do the event. Really,

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 4>what what are you going to learn about leadership from

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Kamala Harris? It would be about as much I'm guessing

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 4>as what the property sector learn when she came out

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 4>to the Gold Coast to talk about real estate at

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 4>a property summit.

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Well in mind, but well, it's all about the passage

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 3>of time. That's what it's all about, Lisa uh And

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 3>speaking of time, we're out of time. Good to see you.

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for joining me on the show.

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for joining me. That's it for me.

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll be back at seven pm on Sunday for Deneka

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<v Speaker 3>and James. And now he's James McPherson filling in for

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Price.