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Speaker 1: Do you ever get the feeling sometimes like this just

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Speaker 1: too many things to be interested in. You probably know

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Speaker 1: the stuff I'm talking about here. We all do family, career, hobbies, fitness, ambitions, dreams.

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Speaker 2: How do you do it all?

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Speaker 3: Can you do it all?

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Speaker 2: Today?

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to someone who will help us

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Speaker 1: shine a light on that question and ask some pretty

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Speaker 1: tough questions in return, some questions that I struggle to

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Speaker 2: The conversation starts right after this good a, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: This is better than yesterday, Useful conversations to help you

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Speaker 1: make your day to day better than yesterday every episode

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. My name is Oshi Ginsburg, and I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you're here. A guy he's on TV sometimes, I'm

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Speaker 1: a best selling author. I'm about to be on a

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Speaker 1: dancing show on Telly. I've got another book coming out,

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Speaker 1: So what now? What is out on the fifth of

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Speaker 1: Augustick and pre order it right now. There's a link

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. And I'm very glad you're here

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Speaker 1: because my guest today is the one and only Merrick Watts.

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Speaker 1: You might there's loads of places you might know Merrick

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Speaker 1: from his comedy career, his work on radio, his podcasts.

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Speaker 1: A Picture Discuss was a great one. Also the festival

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Speaker 1: that he runs. He runs an entire comedy festival called

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Speaker 1: Grapes of Mirth, and he's recently made a show called

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Speaker 1: The Idiot's Guide to Whine. He's a very clever man.

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Speaker 1: He's an incredible call I'll call him a mentor of mine.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the only people you'll hear has discussed this.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the other people I can actually call

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Speaker 1: Merrick's done a fair bit and he keeps adding to

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Speaker 1: it is, because only Merrick would find a two thousand

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Speaker 1: lot here and I could have chatted about, but we

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Speaker 1: about his work, ethic, the importance of purpose, preparation, sacrifice,

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Speaker 2: It's a big one today.

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Speaker 1: You'll understand at the end of this why I think

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Speaker 1: Merrik is one of the absolute best. And you'll also

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Speaker 1: hear that I loved every minute of the chat and

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Speaker 1: I know you will too. And you'll hear us do

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Speaker 1: a bit of a taste test of his new drink

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Speaker 1: and this. The drinks are called Posca, and he's not

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Speaker 2: Good and I don't drink alcohol. It's nice to have around.

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Speaker 1: Good to see Thanks for coming in, man. How is

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Speaker 1: it doing Breaky radio again?

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Speaker 3: Breaky Radio is good. It's I think it's because of

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Speaker 3: the purpose and the reason why I'm doing Breaky Radio

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the one that I was going for

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Speaker 2: Two very different things.

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Speaker 3: Is that if you go into radio and the three

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Speaker 3: that's just fun, right, you're doing for free. You're doing

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Speaker 3: you'd rather do that than not do that. So that's

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Speaker 3: for free. You get paid for the meetings. So when

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Speaker 3: That's what you're getting paid for. All the stuff on air,

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Speaker 3: that's your playtime. That's your playtime afterwards, you're getting paid

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Speaker 3: I've heard the someone say that about it acting. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I get paid for. Is I

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Speaker 1: can't go to the groceries. That's why I get paid

436
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Speaker 1: when I get paid. But I love the other part,

437
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Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's kind of cool. Radio is

438
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Speaker 1: a huge part of your life, and you gave me

439
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Speaker 1: a huge gift by getting me back on. But also

440
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Speaker 1: you give me a huge gift. But when I text

441
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Speaker 1: you going fuck, man's all the TV's gone away.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, and you're right back

443
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Speaker 2: to me, going pivot, Man, everything's about a pivot. When

444
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Speaker 2: did you become the Marcus really is of business?

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Speaker 3: You'd be surprised, I reckon. I would be surprised if

446
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Speaker 3: I went two weeks without somebody in the radio industry

447
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,440
Speaker 3: reaching out to me. Wow, Holy moly, people, I reckon.

448
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Speaker 3: I'm a lightning rod for when people are displaced or

449
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Speaker 3: need advice or they need something outside of the industry

450
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Speaker 3: that understands the industry.

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Speaker 1: So you see it like the fucking matrix. That's the

452
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Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people see it the way

453
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Speaker 1: you see it. Not a lot of people see the

454
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Speaker 1: entire I know now because I learned from you. Like,

455
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Speaker 1: if you're not looking at the share price and the

456
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Speaker 1: ratings and the sales market, then you don't have a

457
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Speaker 1: picture as to why they chose that person to do

458
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Speaker 1: the breakfast shit correct And I'd never knew that before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's it. There's so many different things

460
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Speaker 3: to bring into the equation of making good radio, and

461
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Speaker 3: a part of making good radio is understanding your position

462
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Speaker 3: within it and understand that position is not just to

463
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Speaker 3: talk into a stick. Right, talking to a stick is

464
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Speaker 3: well done. You know, it's a great achievement. I'm doing

465
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Speaker 3: it now. Try it at home. Get a real stick,

466
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Speaker 3: fashion one from the backyard if you don't have a microphone.

467
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Speaker 3: But it's really just talking into a stick. The art

468
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Speaker 3: of it is balanced relationships. The art of it is

469
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Speaker 3: understanding the importance of other people in the building sales.

470
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Speaker 3: Understand they are good people trying to get a good outcome,

471
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Speaker 3: not being resistant to them, And the most important thing

472
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Speaker 3: is leadership. Leadership when you're in there, you have if

473
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Speaker 3: you are on air, you are a leader. So stop

474
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Speaker 3: thinking about yourself, think about the tangible effect that you

475
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Speaker 3: have on other people and affect that positively. And if

476
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Speaker 3: you're doing anything less than that, you're doing it wrong.

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Speaker 3: Simple as that.

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Speaker 2: You have been in some.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been enough of them so people won't

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Speaker 1: reverse engine Europe. But you've been in some on air

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Speaker 1: teams that no doubt have a lot of personality in

482
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Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, absolutely, a lot of energy in the room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What would you say?

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Speaker 1: I mean, not everyone is going to be on air

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Speaker 1: with big personality people, but every workplace has got big

487
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Speaker 1: personality people. What would you say people might want to

488
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Speaker 1: know to navigate a situation like that.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, that's a good question. I think focus on the

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Speaker 3: team win and the team outcome. Don't worry about mix

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Speaker 3: of voice, like you know. One of the mistakes I think,

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Speaker 3: and I understand why it happens a little bit, is

493
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Speaker 3: like that the the share of the pie. You've got

494
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Speaker 3: three people, we need you to do about thirty percent,

495
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Speaker 3: and we need you to do forty percent, and we

496
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Speaker 3: need the other person to do thirty percent, and that's

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Speaker 3: the perfect equation is go.

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Speaker 1: What I love you and straight to the content director voice.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's a radioiz that like, that's the person who's sometimes

501
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Speaker 1: never been on air telling on air teams exactly how

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Speaker 1: to do their job well.

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Speaker 3: And I actually understand why they do it because it's

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Speaker 3: a simplification of an equation, right. But the problem is

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Speaker 3: is that it's in every voice break. If everybody's just

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Speaker 3: doing thirty, thirty and forty out of three people, then

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Speaker 3: you've got a very predictive state. Okay, sure, but what

508
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Speaker 3: does it really matter if in one break one of

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Speaker 3: those people's only putting in fifteen percent, or at a

510
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Speaker 3: couple of breaks only put in fifteen percent if you

511
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Speaker 3: look at the whole show over the day holistically, if

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Speaker 3: you go narrowscope into one mic break, which is often

513
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Speaker 3: what happens, they separate a mic break and they look

514
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Speaker 3: at that and they go to share voices out here,

515
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Speaker 3: what you've got to do is look at the team win.

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Speaker 3: So I think that some people are better off just

517
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Speaker 3: being twenty percent and being you know, pitch hitters, like

518
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Speaker 3: really really good at dropping, you know, really succinct pieces

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Speaker 3: to the team, and other people are going to offer more.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think the equation is important. The most

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Speaker 3: important thing I tell people is clean outs. Get a

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Speaker 3: clean out. That's the get the clean out, the first

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Speaker 3: best out. That's what I say to people, first best out.

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Speaker 3: So when you open up the mics, don't worry about

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Speaker 3: what you so much about what you're staying. There's so

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Speaker 3: much like within radio is when you're going into this break,

527
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Speaker 3: how did you think it was going to end?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: Sorry like just the fucking cadence and the way you're talking.

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Speaker 2: My thousand times you know how it works.

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Speaker 3: I can actually put it on even Moore. So okay,

532
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Speaker 3: you've gone.

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Speaker 2: Use the word cube. At some point you've.

534
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Speaker 3: Gone to this break, you're thinking what are you thinking?

535
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Speaker 3: You've gone in there? What's your beginning, what's your middle?

536
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Speaker 3: What's your endpoint? How did what did you think was

537
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Speaker 3: the out? I wasn't thinking about that. I never I've

538
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Speaker 3: never gone into a good break in my life thinking

539
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Speaker 3: about how I'm going to exit right. It's just not

540
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Speaker 3: You don't walk into a circus and just go right.

541
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Speaker 3: Let's identify the exit here. What you're at a circus mate,

542
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Speaker 3: enjoy the circus, worry about the exit when you need

543
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Speaker 3: to get there. Worry about this. You're in a playspace.

544
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Speaker 3: It's a play space. Every time you open the mic.

545
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Speaker 3: You should know what your starting point is and then

546
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Speaker 3: let everything happen about it, and then first best out,

547
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Speaker 3: first best exit. So what that means is, in radio terms,

548
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Speaker 3: as soon as and this does not matter whose mouth

549
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Speaker 3: it comes from, as soon as somebody hits that punchline,

550
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Speaker 3: hits that point, bank, chop out, get out. If it's

551
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Speaker 3: at two minutes, it's probably too short. If it's at

552
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Speaker 3: seven minutes, what's happened You've missed the earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So if it's in anywhere between three and five minutes,

555
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Speaker 3: typically in commercial radio, the first best out, bank take it,

556
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Speaker 3: chop it. If you want to come back, excellent, but

557
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Speaker 3: hit the punchline with the next point.

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Speaker 1: It's a very specific thing doing breakfast radio or any

559
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Speaker 1: kind of team radio thing, but it could happen in

560
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Speaker 1: a real estate department, financial department. Everyone's contributing ideas to

561
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Speaker 1: try to get the great outcome, and we all want

562
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Speaker 1: to make.

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Speaker 3: Sure this is what we've done here. What else can

564
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Speaker 3: we do?

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Speaker 1: Like, hey, trust me, the amount of work to get

566
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Speaker 1: from as good as that one was to the next

567
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Speaker 1: really good one is fucking so beyond with the amount

568
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Speaker 1: of momentum we need to rebuild to get to another

569
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Speaker 1: tag or.

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Speaker 2: Another great idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: Let's action that I think for people. The other example

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Speaker 3: I use if you're a stand up comedian and you've

574
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Speaker 3: got twenty minutes to do right. Twenty minutes set is

575
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Speaker 3: pretty common, so you've got a twenty minutes set, but

576
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Speaker 3: then you get to seventeen minutes and you know you've

577
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Speaker 3: still got three minutes to go right, but you get

578
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Speaker 3: to seventeen minutes and the joke that you normally do

579
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: pretty well on like It gets good laughs is just this.

580
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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, it is just absolutely smacked the crowd

581
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Speaker 3: and people are literally applauding. You know what, you don't

582
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Speaker 3: do there are the three minutes because you've got at

583
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Speaker 3: least at least a fifty chance. Mathematically it's not going

584
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: to be as good. So why would you take a

585
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty bit after you've just won lottery? You've

586
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: won the lottery, nobody comes along and says, would you

587
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: like to double it? No, I'm good I've won the lottery.

588
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Get out, get out.

589
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: The mc'll be thrilled that you're keeping the night on time.

590
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: If wants to chat to you, like.

591
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Speaker 3: No one's watching the clock. Nobody's watching the clock, nobody's

592
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: listening to the radio and just going oh. I felt

593
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Speaker 3: like that break could have gone for another thirty five seconds. No,

594
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Speaker 3: don't open it up, close it off, done, take the win.

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Speaker 1: We're just going to take a bit of a drinks

596
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Speaker 1: break from Merrick play some ads.

597
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Speaker 2: Move back in a moment.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that I mean, we've spoken about this.

599
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Speaker 1: When you look at that big picture of media in

600
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Speaker 1: Australia and you had a podcast on another network to

601
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: this one up until.

602
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Speaker 3: I've had podcasts on every network. I'm absolutely gun for high.

603
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Speaker 3: I looked at the camera when I said that, because

604
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Speaker 3: that's how good I am at it.

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time.

606
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Speaker 3: I look straight down the Burrow. I am a media whore, but.

607
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Look, I have been selling myself for money for a

608
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Speaker 2: long time. I like to think I'm good at it.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at the industry, the Austria, particularly

610
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: Australian media industry, I have thought of this, but I'd

611
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: like to know your your angle. When you look at

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Speaker 1: the broader scope of what we now call I guesst

613
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: content or audio content, what have the where have people

614
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: got it right? As far as the business models that

615
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: are moving and where what are some rude surprises that

616
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: people might be facing? Advanced media commentary from Merrick Wise.

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Speaker 3: I think podcasts are great. I think podcasts are fantastic.

618
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Speaker 3: I think if people started a podcast thinking it's going

619
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: to be a high way to cash, you are driving

620
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: the wrong way up in all it's like anything you should,

621
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 3: you should do it because you want to do it.

622
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: I think that there is now a lot of replicable

623
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: forms in media and in podcasting, just by the nature

624
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: of so many podcasts. So I think trying to identify

625
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: something unique and individual you are not enough, Like you've

626
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: got to have more of a hook than just yourself, right,

627
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: And people go, oh, but what about this person or

628
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: that person? You know, somebody will always say Joe Rogan

629
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: and so got what I get? Well, that was built,

630
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: that was built, and that became that through you know,

631
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: persistence and consistency. But I would say, you know, if

632
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: you're looking at that podcast, look to make something that

633
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: is serviceable to people, not just about you talking it.

634
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: So your podcast actually services people. It gives people who

635
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: have a need. They want to hear, something, they want

636
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: to feel, something they want to be, they want to

637
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: be that's like me, It's safe for me to feel

638
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: this way. That's what I get from your podcasts. As

639
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: a lot of people go, it's safe for me to

640
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: talk about this, It's safe for me to feel this.

641
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm not alone bingo, right, and you might. You know,

642
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: some people just make a podcast for human says, that's fine.

643
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: But I think looking at how you can differentiate yourself

644
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: as the big thing with podcasts. I actually think radio.

645
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: I think radio could do lots more. I think radio.

646
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: I know it's taken a bit of a beating, but

647
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: I actually think radio is one of the best forms

648
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: of media. I think I think it could could actually

649
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: do something really exciting and very interesting.

650
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: Put your content director voice on.

651
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: Let's say, you know, we're in the building next door

652
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Speaker 1: to where you used to work here in pim one. Okay,

653
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Speaker 1: what are your what's your grand vision? What are you

654
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

655
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: Bravery?

656
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's that look like?

657
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: Come sound of bravery? One word that I would encourage

658
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: in radio is bravery because it's at a stage out

659
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: where repeating the same thing is proven to not work,

660
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: and repeating it and repeating it it doesn't have the

661
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: same effect. So throw it the rule book. Allow people

662
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: to play loose. You look at radio's threat would be podcasts.

663
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: Podcasts have no rules, right, and because they have no rules,

664
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: they draw interest. I think if radio was in some places,

665
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: it's not like across the I'm speaking very broadly, and

666
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: it's more specifically, of course, towards FM rather than AM.

667
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: But I would love to see people acting with more bravery.

668
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: And I.

669
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: Have given this example literally to some of the people

670
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: I've been working with Triple M when I talk about this,

671
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: just to get clarity around that bravery is. It's not

672
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: about the use of language and pushing boundaries and trying

673
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: to get yourself, you know, so close to the edge

674
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: of saying something or causing fire or anything like that.

675
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: It's not that.

676
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: It's the bravery in backing yourself into make good content,

677
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: good content, and make good content that resonates by being

678
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: brave in your actions. If your mic break is it

679
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: five minutes, but it's really good, push it, keep going,

680
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: keep going. And if that out that I was talking

681
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: about comes at seven and a half minutes. Good good,

682
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Whereas the structures are very much in place of like

683
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: it's a four minute break, it's a four minute break,

684
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: it's a form minute break. Don't do this, don't do that.

685
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot of structures around it. And I think

686
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: that's come from potentially from trying to get people with

687
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: less radio experience into positions of high standing in the

688
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: radio industry. You'd know this, you know what I'm talking about.

689
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: You get people who haven't done five or six years

690
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: of radio, and all of a sudden they're in the

691
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: pressure of a breakfast radio job in a cap city.

692
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's a lot. So they need to

693
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: employ a lot of structure around them so that they

694
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: can give them the guide rails. But then what happens

695
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: too is that become I think sometimes you risk becoming

696
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: a battery hen and becoming a cookie cutter process, whereas

697
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: bravery is making rules and convention so much rules like

698
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: in the sense of rules, but break the conventions. And

699
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: that's what I'd like to say. I think radio has

700
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: got this. The ability to be live is what I'm

701
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: talking about. That's its edge.

702
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: The do you think radio has the ability to and

703
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I guess the standards that people expect as far as

704
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: authenticity from the people that listen to in their ears.

705
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: Podcasts are very intimate medium.

706
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I go gardening with my podcast friends, you know, they

707
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: don't realize that I'm out there shoveling and gravels, you know,

708
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: and we're all hanging out together. It's such an intimate medium,

709
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: and the authenticity it's available to you with the space

710
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: that the podcast gives changes the expectation of how close

711
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: that parasocial relationship can be. Do you think radio can

712
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: meet that?

713
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: I reckon radio can absolutely own it.

714
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: Is anybody doing it?

715
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: Not the way I would I want to see, not

716
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: the way I would. I think that it's the most

717
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: beautifully connective media we've ever invented. Right, people talk about

718
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: social media. That's that is that connected?

719
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

720
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: It feels a lot like me telling you something that

721
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: I want you to believe about me. That's social media, right.

722
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: It's somebody telling somebody else, or as many people as

723
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: they can, this is what I would like you to

724
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: believe about me. Yeah, radio radio podcasts is good because

725
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: you've got the ability to we edit's it. You've got

726
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: the ability to have long form. But radio is live,

727
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: it's accountable, and it's a dialogue with your audience.

728
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: I mean, just as you were speaking there, I was like, fuck,

729
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: all social media is prerecorded except for the live shit,

730
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: which is fucking boring because being live and me on

731
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: the whole engagement and hold an audience and keep someone's

732
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: attention and ideas moving for ten minutes, let alone an

733
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: hour is hard to do. I've watched enough boring Twitch

734
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: stream so to go, guys, come on, you know I

735
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: can't just sit here and look at the fucking scrolling chat.

736
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: Come on, do something.

737
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: But the only thing too with radio sometimes referred to

738
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: as like, you know, the barbecue analogy, which is you

739
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: don't go to barbecue with a sheet of topics that

740
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: you're going to talk about at the barbecue.

741
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: And relatable topics. Relatable topics.

742
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, get some relatable topics here. What we can do

743
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: is we're gonna start town is going.

744
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: To love that one.

745
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: We're talking a bit about football because everybody loves footy.

746
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: And then what we're can do is we're talking about

747
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: pearl jam here for a little while, and then we're

748
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: gonna come back here and you know, what we're gonna do.

749
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Then no one does that. No one does that, no

750
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: one does that. We start a conversation.

751
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: People don't even know content director getting the emphasis on

752
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: pearl Jam wrong, pearl Jam so true.

753
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to say his name, but

754
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: I know the exact person, you know, I don't know

755
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: who that is.

756
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: I don't know who's a real guy. It's like the

757
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: generation now I've learned it from like Whispers, Pearl Jam

758
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: and nickel Back.

759
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Nickel Back's fun in there. But at some point radio

760
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: you went, I mean radio, breakfast radio.

761
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: Famously, the stakes very high and it gets very expensive

762
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: to make because the people have become on air become

763
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: so valuable, and that the relationship that gets built up

764
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: is like I get up in the morning and I

765
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: listen to these people in the morning, and they're always

766
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: there for me in the morning, and so that relationship

767
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: becomes very becomes very very valuable in some cases astronomically so.

768
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: But that value for you, at some point you're like,

769
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do other stuff. People would in

770
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: your position, they might pivot to just doing only stand up. Yeah,

771
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: that's great, running a fucking festival. I've seen easiest second.

772
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Gigs to pursue. Events are always tricky. They're always like

773
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: it's like that's a game of you know, constant game

774
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: of Russia Roulett, it's just like su spin. But it's

775
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: but events. I love events. I love I love doing.

776
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: I love all the things that I do, and I

777
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: do lots of things. And I think, people go, how

778
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: can you do all of the things you do with

779
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: focus and clarity and effort, and you know, there's there's

780
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 3: no way known you can do it? And I go, well,

781
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 3: I do it and I have and not only that,

782
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: I've been doing consistently for years, so maybe I can

783
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: do it. Well, nobody else can do it. No, no,

784
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: nobody else, you know. But I know some people like

785
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: myself who and myself include but I know other people

786
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: who have multiple businesses operate at an incredible level and

787
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: they just you just make it work. And to be frank,

788
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: a lot of it comes a personal sacrifice. That's that's

789
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: the that's the pain. Pain is your time. You have

790
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: to commit to these things. That's fine. That's if there's

791
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: any wiggle room, if there's any issue that comes out

792
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: to you. As soon as you understand that, then that's

793
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: and that's your obligation, your responsibility that if there's a

794
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: requirement made that becomes that comes out of your personal time.

795
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: That could be sleep, that can be exercise, they can

796
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: be family time, the tough ones, all the things you love.

797
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: That's what gets burnt, that's what gets thrown under the bus.

798
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: Austin Cleon, He's got this great line.

799
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: It's about the art scene, but it could apply to anything, work,

800
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: family scene, pick two.

801
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's really it.

802
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on that when it comes to this,

803
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: because I've got told once you're awake, if you're sleeping

804
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: out hours night A good for you, But b you've

805
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: got about one hundred and four hours every week, what

806
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: are you going to do with it? What are you

807
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: gonna do with that time? Because you don't get it back.

808
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: So I've been very, very fortunate where it looks as

809
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: though I'm just working all the time, But I'm working

810
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: on my hobbies all the time. These are the things

811
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: I want to do. So if it was just work,

812
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to sustain it. There's no way known.

813
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: So what do I sacrifice? I sacrifice? I do sacrifice

814
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: a lot. I do I sacrifice a lot of social

815
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: time I don't have, and I've learned to accept this

816
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: is that I've had to sacrifice social interactions and my

817
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 3: friendships because I'm just I've just got too much work on.

818
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: But that's my choice for my longer my longer goals.

819
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: But what I have been able to do for my

820
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: entire career is I weave friendships and social interactions into

821
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: my work. I enjoy working with people. I really like

822
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: workplace social interaction with a team. Now, if I was

823
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: working in isolation, that would be problematic, but it's not

824
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: the way I am. I feel like I get enough

825
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: social interaction at a good level, at a meaningful level

826
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: for me through the work I do. I love people,

827
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: I like working with people, so I don't when I

828
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: go to work. I'm going to work, but I'm going

829
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: to have fun when I'm at work, and that's my

830
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: social time, that is my work time, and also to

831
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: that is in some ways even my spiritual time, because

832
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: I know that when I'm doing these things, I am

833
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: driving towards my goal, my purpose, my reasons. So that's

834
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: how it's done. Because people go, you can't, you can't

835
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: do that many hours a day, like you know, at

836
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: the moment. It's nothing for me to do fourteen sixteen

837
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: hours a day, no problem. I can do that, and

838
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: I can do that sustainably for days and days and

839
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: days on weekends. I've cooked a lot of the time

840
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: for work a lot of weekends as well. Again that

841
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: the personal sacrifice is working weekends. So it's very very

842
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 3: common for me to go month, two months, maybe three

843
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: months without having a day off.

844
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Can you weave your kids and your family into this

845
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: as ways? How does that work?

846
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: Always? I make them line up at the door and

847
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: a high five of them on the way out. I

848
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: don't have time for kiss. I've got to make a choice.

849
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's a high five, a kiss or

850
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: a hug.

851
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: What do you want?

852
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: We've only got time for high five. Let's go line up, kids?

853
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: Are you able to like, you know, open the garage

854
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: and point to the old Mustang and say, one day

855
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: all this will be yours? Like, have you got the

856
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: ascension sorry, the secession plan in place for the kids

857
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: to get involved?

858
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. But my succession plan for my children is choice.

859
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: That's what I want for my children. I don't want

860
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: them to be me. I don't want them to follow me.

861
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: I want them to have choice, and that's not about money.

862
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: That's about being enriched enough in themselves that they can

863
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: make a decision. They go, Dad, I want to do this,

864
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: and I'll go do it.

865
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, do it, do it.

866
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up wanting to be a comedian,

867
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: amongst other things, but primarily a comedian. And like I

868
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: used to tell people, I'm going to become a comedian,

869
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: and my parents is like, oh, that's cool, that's good.

870
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: Like my parents just went, yeah, that makes sense, go

871
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: and do that. Whereas I think, you know, when a

872
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: lot of people tell their parents that they want to

873
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: become a comedian, and their parents is like, we were

874
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: hoping you'd go to university, but you want to enter

875
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: the arts. So now my kids, there's nothing my kids

876
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: could tell me that they wanted to do unless it

877
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: was harmful towards others. And I don't see my kids

878
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: are not. They're not going to do anything that harms others.

879
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: So what part of the Yeah, I like my hobbies

880
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and I do what I want, and you know, I'm

881
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: integrating my friendships and personal life and you know, spirituality

882
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: into my work. How does that play out when like

883
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: you went and got yourself certified as a samelia. Essentially,

884
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: I only had one joke about that. He told the

885
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: je me, me, why did the samelier get asked to

886
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: leave the Newdiest Beach? Well, he had a semi on.

887
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: A joke in my show about it, but I don't

888
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: not that, but it's it's similar. Mine's better. Hegee, if

889
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: you're listening dick jokes, which you're not, Dick jokes always right, Yeah,

890
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: dick Joke's work. They just do because they're hilarious.

891
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Did any part of your struggle when it was you know,

892
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the last time you came

893
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: on the show. We talked about how you went at

894
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: school and learning, and that school might not have been

895
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's different now. And the way see the way

896
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: they're talking the Wolfgang. He's five, and I see the

897
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: way they're talking to him, was like, he's a kidding.

898
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: You meditate every day as a class?

899
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: Is that great?

900
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: It's fucking awesome?

901
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 3: Isn't that great?

902
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: He knows what is fucking frequental cortex is. He calls

903
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: it something else, but he knows, he knows what his

904
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: amigdaler is.

905
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: He calls it his guard door a lie. Yeah, they

906
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: had a poster on the wall, Like now it's all

907
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: they know. They know, like, oh no, let's just your

908
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: guard dog piping up some Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible.

909
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: However, so in the previous conversation we had you talk

910
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: to you in school, didn't exactly gel what.

911
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: Was the learning aspect of applying yourself to that? Like

912
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: now it's interesting because I I don't think I'm necessarily

913
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: a great student, and I don't think i'm a scholastically

914
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: not well suited. But what I am very very very

915
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: good at is preparation, very good at preparation, and I've

916
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: become better and better and better, and I pride myself

917
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: on it. But I take everything I do very seriously,

918
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: even comedy, Like you know, people who work with me,

919
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: when I go and do my show, I will prepare,

920
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: I will get myself ready and I don't roll up

921
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: half fast. But then I'm on stage, it looks like

922
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: I'm just goofing off, and I love that, right, But

923
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: everyone's just like this guy is just loving spat and

924
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: I am. But I've worked really really hard behind the

925
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: scenes so that I can really enjoy those moments because

926
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm not in the moment, just going, Oh, if I

927
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: just rehearse, it's a little bit better or or something

928
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: like that. I mean able to enjoy the moment because

929
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: the hard work I've done before. And so because I'm

930
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: a polymath by nature, I like to get certification and

931
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: qualifications because then I know that I've got a skill

932
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: and application towards something. So I've got a motorbi classes.

933
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: I've got a car license obviously, but I also have

934
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: a boat license. I don't have a boat. I've got

935
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: a jet ski license. I've never owned a jet ski.

936
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm never going to anyone that would be great on

937
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the back of a jet ski any fucking powers, but

938
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't have one.

939
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: I have no intention. But I had to get it

940
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: for something. So whenever I see something, I've got RSAs

941
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: for every state and every territory in the country. So

942
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: I went and got those because I knew that in

943
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: my wine show and Idiot's got the wine, I was

944
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: going to be potentially having to serve wine. So rather

945
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: than just fob it off, I went, I will get

946
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: every qualification that I'll do it because I'm going to

947
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: be doing this thing. So when I did wine study,

948
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: I was like Okay, I got level one and I

949
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: was like, I'll get level two. And I was like, well,

950
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: if I get level three, I know that the wine

951
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: industry will respect me in a different way. I'll have

952
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: a great capacity to speak to the people that I

953
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: want to speak to if I bridge it with a knowledge.

954
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: So I didn't want to do it, but I went

955
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: and did that. And then I became a Borosso Master,

956
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: which again study and I did some you know part

957
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: of that you do wine assessment and I did that

958
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: as well. So I keep adding to these suite of things.

959
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: Then when a few years ago, when I decided I

960
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: wanted to give Posca a red hot crack, I was like, wow,

961
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: what will this become? What will this be? This is

962
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: like literally months after I've come up with a basic

963
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: formulation for a drink from ancient Rome. It's so it's

964
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: so merrick What's I can't even tell you? So I

965
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: just go what am I going to do?

966
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: I think it just literally just will referred to yourself

967
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: on the third person. Yeah, I know this is I

968
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: have to because everybody's got to look out for Ricky STEWARTT.

969
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, well, what do I

970
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: want this to be how far can it go? And

971
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: what do I need to do right now? So I

972
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: went and studied at the Austraine Institute of Company Directors,

973
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: which was the worst thing I've ever done. It was

974
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: so hard for me. It was really hard for me.

975
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: It was really, really difficult. I liked the governess aspect

976
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: of what I was studying, the fiscal stuff that you know,

977
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: the basically the the business aspects of it that I

978
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: needed to learn were so deep and so important and

979
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: so difficult that I did one of the exams and

980
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 3: I failed it and I was like, oh my god.

981
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: And I had all this like back to school, this

982
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: is like when you filed at school. And I went, no,

983
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: I've changed since then and I never ever quit. So

984
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: I went back, did it again, passed, and then went

985
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: to another exam. Failed and I'm like, oh, can this

986
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: just stop? And I went no, back again, passed it,

987
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: and then I'm a third exam I passed, and I

988
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: was like, all right, well we've done that. That's that's

989
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: locked now. But that was all in preparation for where

990
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: I am now. That was three years ago that I

991
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: started doing that. How do you I did that from

992
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: the second of January. I was prepared to commit my time,

993
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: my family time, my own personal time, my holiday time,

994
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: and I was hiding away doing work, getting ready.

995
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: And so now there's no way that you could do

996
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: the Europe married you got kids, Like, how what is

997
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: the support of your your wife? How did that plan

998
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: to this?

999
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: Georgie? And my kids are very very supportive because they

1000
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: know that everything I do I do for them ultimately,

1001
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: my vision of my purpose, my goals, all those things. Yes,

1002
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: they're very selfish, but they will produce results that will

1003
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: benefit my family. Like I said, I work hard, now

1004
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: I will be able to give them the gift of choice.

1005
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: So they're very supportive of it, and it is it

1006
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: is tricky when I spend time with them. I'm very

1007
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: affectionate to my kids. I love them. We're very very

1008
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 3: tactile family. So I feel that the time I spent

1009
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: is valued and it's good and I know when to

1010
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: invest more time in them when I need to. So

1011
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: that was like literally yesterday, I said, kids, here's the plan.

1012
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna We're going to watch Grimsby and they're like,

1013
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: what I get. That's right and completely inappropriate film for

1014
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: a family. And we're going to sit down and we're

1015
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: going to have We're going to have a nice little

1016
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: meal together, you know, just sit down. Very basically, we're

1017
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: going to watch television. It's television, and they're like, oh,

1018
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: okay there. But it was great.

1019
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: It was a real family bonding experience of a sashon

1020
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: amar cons ball so funny, but we're all laughing. It's

1021
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: a great moment.

1022
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: We're all laughing. It's great. And that's that's like, Okay,

1023
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: this time is this time is for family. So I

1024
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: do try to do that. There's another saying as well,

1025
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: which is if you can't spend time, spend money. I

1026
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: buy my way through my relationships is what I do.

1027
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: The only one.

1028
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: So you meant you mentioned it, So there's a I

1029
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: was I was semi joking when I said you're the

1030
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Marcus really as some business, but like you've literally gone

1031
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: to ancient Rome to find a recipe, an.

1032
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: Ancient Roman recipe. That's it's cool. Do you want me

1033
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: to explain it what it is?

1034
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: So? Yeah, so there's some here in the room, like

1035
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: it's pasca is the name of it.

1036
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 3: It's yeah, non alcoholic, Well this is good and gluten free,

1037
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: which is great and vegan friendly and this.

1038
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Is good because I'm a friendly vegan and you probably

1039
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: had forty thousand cans in it, so you probably know the.

1040
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: Still cold I brought one from. Oh yeah, that's good.

1041
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: This is the thing.

1042
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: Like, I'm glad that shaped it like this, because even

1043
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: even a soft drink can. For the first couple of

1044
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: years after I stopped drinking, when I held a soft

1045
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: drink can, because it's the same size shape as beer can,

1046
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: I was to get me the willies.

1047
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about this. That sound isn't that good.

1048
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to make it even better by Oh it's

1049
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: spilled from a decks.

1050
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: That's really good.

1051
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 3: It's great, and there's pineapple. But I'm not here to

1052
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: do aids. But I'm here to do ads.

1053
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: No no, no, like because I can't because I'm Celiacs.

1054
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I can't drink every I can't drink any zero alcohol beer.

1055
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it anyway because I had one white.

1056
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: So I was like, that makes me want to kick

1057
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: in the door of a bottle of no thanks, I

1058
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah.

1059
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: So it's got you know, like magnesium, potassium and salts

1060
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: in it, which comes from you know, an extension of

1061
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: the ancient Roman formula for poscar yeah, which is about

1062
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 3: two and a half thousand years old. But it's gotten

1063
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: sugar at all. It's got no artificial ingredients whatsoever. It's

1064
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: vegan and friendly, got my name on it, it's got prebiotics.

1065
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1066
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: That's why I brought it in.

1067
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: That's actually why we named it that as you should

1068
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: available for ambassadors that I'll take equity. What was the

1069
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: noise your wife made when you told her I've just

1070
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: discovered this, shes is like.

1071
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: Of course you have, of course you have. Nothing I

1072
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: do ever surprises Georgie, Like, I'm not kidding. There's nothing

1073
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: I ever do that really is surprises, because her expectation

1074
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: is that if it's unique and difficult, I'll do it.

1075
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: If it's unique and difficult, I'll do it. If it's

1076
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: if other people wouldn't do it, he will do it.

1077
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of so. Yeah, she wasn't surprised at all.

1078
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: But I was doing some wine research during lockdown, because

1079
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: the worst thing for me is not overloading with work.

1080
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: The worst thing for me is to have nothing to do.

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00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: It drives me quite literally mad. I like work work,

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00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: So I was doing some research for a Needo's God

1083
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 3: to Wine. I was planning on writing the show. I

1084
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: was doing some research for it, and they discovered an

1085
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: ancient formula called Oscar, which was ancient Roman drink that

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00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: the legionnaires drank right around Europe. The Roman army marched

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00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: on it quite literally, and it was a base of

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00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: red wine, vinegar and salt to which they added water.

1089
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: And what the Roman army would do is they would

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00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: march all the way through Europe, and this actually allowed

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00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: them to take so much ground. And when they came

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00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 3: across a new water source, they would purify it using

1093
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: the red wine, vinegar and the salts. And of course

1094
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: they're just they're just microbial killing all the crap in

1095
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 3: the water, because more people would in those days, certainly

1096
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: more people will dive through disease and battle. Oh yeah,

1097
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: it's really common. So as they were on the march,

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00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: they come across a new water source, they would make

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00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: a blend of posca for people to drink.

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00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: This.

1101
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: The gladiators drank it, the Roman soldiers drank it. Empra

1102
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: Hadrian who took it to the UK, and he was,

1103
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: of course the Roman emperor who conquered Great Britain. He

1104
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: actually mandated that his troops were only allowed to drink

1105
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 3: wine every second day because he didn't want to and

1106
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: they were drinking pasca the other time, and he himself

1107
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: would drink Posta and solid already with his troops. So

1108
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: all these crazy Marcus aureli Is probably would have drunk this.

1109
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: Everyone was drinking.

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Speaker 1: So rather so what just saying is like as they

1111
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: traversed across the countryside, it's probably a fair bit of

1112
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: stabbing and stuff going on.

1113
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: They found a stream.

1114
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: So rather than let the people drink directly from the stream,

1115
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: they don't drink it yet, Let's get it in these cauldrons.

1116
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 2: Let's spoil it up, let's make.

1117
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: This didn't boil it, and I think let's just just

1118
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: stretch it through, give it a couple of hours, and

1119
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: now you can drink it. Now it's safe to drink as.

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00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: Soon as you blended it because it's got a cidic

1121
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: acid and salt.

1122
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: So there you know.

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00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: They are preservatives, their natural preservatives. We don't need to

1124
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: add anything. So it's about what it doesn't have. It

1125
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: doesn't have sugar, doesn't have artificial ingredients. But I'm very

1126
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: proud of it.

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00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: I've invested in it. In the thing, it was a

1129
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: beverage and it didn't go in the.

1130
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: End an alcoholic.

1131
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: No, it was an alcoholic.

1132
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: But what happened in the end of it, like the

1133
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: work he got to do beforehand, just to go, yeah,

1134
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: this is a great idea. But now this is a

1135
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: great idea worth pursuing. Yes, at what point did you

1136
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: realize no, No, there's a in the energy drink market,

1137
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: which is, shall we say, crowded. When did you realize, actually,

1138
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: this is there's room for this. This can work because

1139
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: it's entirely unique. It's actually a new category itself, which

1140
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: presents enormous challenges, but also to long term I believe

1141
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: the greatest benefits. So there's no there's no stimulants in it,

1142
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: there's no cafe. It's not an energy drink. It becomes

1143
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: in a can because I made the decision from day one.

1144
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to put it in plastics. Plastics are

1145
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: out and they're moving out. Why put it in there?

1146
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: Put it into tin. Also to have made it effervescent,

1147
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to be sparkling because I thought

1148
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: it tasted better than it does. But no, one's ever

1149
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: done this. No one's ever done this, No one's ever

1150
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: made Posca like this anywhere. Other people have made it,

1151
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: but no one has gone out with a brand called Posca.

1152
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: No one has brought it to life. And for me,

1153
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: the challenge was, all right, well, what do I want

1154
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: to do this? I thought, I would love to see

1155
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: an Australian made, invented drink, supported and developed here, spread

1156
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: throughout the world. I would love that red Bull did it.

1157
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 3: Why can't we have a little Izzie red Bull story?

1158
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: And so there has been a hundred times when I've

1159
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: just gone Mark, what are you doing? What are you doing?

1160
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: What are you doing? And then the answer is always.

1161
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: The right thing.

1162
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: I'm doing the right thing. I'm producing something I believe in.

1163
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: I love the history, I love the story, I love

1164
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: studying about I love everything about that. It's an incredible drink.

1165
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: But I know in my gut that this is the

1166
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: right thing to do. Everything I do, I just apply

1167
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: myself one hundred percent.

1168
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Have you say in a case to Ryan Holiday, No, mate,

1169
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: you fucking should yeah?

1170
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah? Fucking arrange that? Can you arrange that? Yeah? Done?

1171
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: I don't know who Ryan Holidays?

1172
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Zing two thirty five insurance coming up first, pasted out

1173
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: with peric What.

1174
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: That was the out that was all punched in straight

1175
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: into a song?

1176
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: It was really good. Yeah, I was already hearing a

1177
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: taylor'swoit song.

1178
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: You know the phones have already lit up even though

1179
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: she's not during I still think they're getting tickets. There

1180
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: was a time in your life when exercise wasn't really

1181
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: a part of your day. Exercise is now very much

1182
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: a part of your day. What kind of you said,

1183
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: you're not very good if you don't work or want

1184
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: to work on. What do you like when you don't exercise?

1185
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: And what do you like when you do? Oh?

1186
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exercise is very very important to me, very important

1187
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: to my mental will.

1188
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: People who are listening, they got to realize that Merrik

1189
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: just put his cand down, then realized it was out

1190
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: of shot, slightly moved it closer to the microphone logo

1191
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: face and people should realize that always be closing right here?

1192
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: Can I say always be closing? Can I say that

1193
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: probably no one would have noticed this subtle movement that

1194
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: I made there but a television professional at the moment

1195
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: of doing this, going, osh, we'll see this. I wonder

1196
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: if he calls me out on that he did well,

1197
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 3: aren't It was awesome? Just that subtle there's the labeling

1198
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: in front of the camera, product placement whilst we're here for.

1199
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: The key to success.

1200
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: It's the key to success. You're telling me what you're

1201
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 3: like if you don't exercise, and what you're like when

1202
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: you do. It's actually just the mental well being. I

1203
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: just feel better. It's not like I feel bad if

1204
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't. I just feel a lot better and a

1205
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: lot more capable when I'm in a good routine of exercise,

1206
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 3: and I just it's just in orphins.

1207
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like it.

1208
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: I like, you know, doing a good session and just

1209
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: feeling good. Yeah, but it's important. I'm training for Kakoda

1210
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 3: at the moment, so I got to Kakoda in about

1211
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 3: five weeks, so I've had to change the way I train,

1212
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: and that's that's great because it gives me something. It

1213
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 3: gives me different purpose, It gives me a different style

1214
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: of training for a period of time, and I like

1215
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: to do that. I like to emphasize something different for

1216
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: a period of time and then go again on something.

1217
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to just be doing the same thing. Yeah,

1218
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm off for barbels for the I'm back on kettlebells.

1219
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 3: It's great, So there you go. Yes, but that doesn't

1220
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: sound like a lot, but it actually is. Yeah, it's

1221
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: actually it's completely different. So it's still throwing ten around.

1222
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: But you know, sure, iron sert iron iron.

1223
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm checking tin around that what kind of soka codas.

1224
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: It's a couple of days and it's quite very challenging

1225
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: to rain.

1226
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: It's nine days, it's a hike, it's nine days through jungle.

1227
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fairly intense. What does training for that look like?

1228
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,959
Speaker 1: Can I think you know you can't train by walking

1229
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: all day?

1230
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: You can't. But you have to carry weight.

1231
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: So you m got a job and you've got a family,

1232
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, do you have a treadmill?

1233
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1234
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: You know what it is.

1235
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: It's like I'm saying about the sacrifices. Yeah, so at

1236
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: the moment, I'm having to sacrifice some of the training

1237
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: to do breakfast radio. But then what I'll do is,

1238
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: like tomorrow, I'll get up early in the morning. I'll

1239
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: get up an hour early, so I'll be up at

1240
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: about three or maybe a bit shy of three, and

1241
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: I'll go and train and I'll sacrifice my time, my

1242
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 3: sleep to get that done. So there's always a trade

1243
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: off because time, this is the thing. Time is fine.

1244
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: If there's one thing I could have more of, it

1245
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: would be time. Time is time is the most valuable thing.

1246
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: Count buy it, that's it, you absolutely count buy it.

1247
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: But you can make it. Yeah, you can't buy it,

1248
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: you can you can make it.

1249
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: Make Timeah.

1250
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm training for that at the moment. Otherwise,

1251
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: feel pretty good. Well, you don't.

1252
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Thing is you are one of the other people that

1253
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: Haggy is one of the other ones that we're all

1254
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: similar ages when we don't look as old as we are. No,

1255
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: you don't look as old as fifty one. Yeah, I'm

1256
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: fifty one in a week. Yeah, and I don't look

1257
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: fifty one because forty nine maybe maybe and a half

1258
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: because I'm a bit haggard. I'm a little bit hagger

1259
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: You grab in Queensland and there was a lot of

1260
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: fucking sun early inside damage.

1261
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have set it with the hair, that's

1262
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: the true.

1263
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: Well that's yeah. Yeah, I have very short hair for

1264
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: a while there. I've become quite old.

1265
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: When I go to the bus cut this is good,

1266
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: this is a good cut.

1267
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm working on the like I have a key tar

1268
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: and I play in an eighties funk band.

1269
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 3: Wow, that doesn't sound tragic at all.

1270
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Mate.

1271
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: It's what I'm going for. You know what I'm going for.

1272
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm going for a snake in Escape from New York.

1273
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: That's just without the eye patch.

1274
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it stake Pliskin.

1275
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1276
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, sick Kurt Russell, yees sick he wont Kurt Russell.

1277
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm going for.

1278
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: That That was my reference for.

1279
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna have to get some tiny jeans. But you'll

1280
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: be all right. You can get there.

1281
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: These are made of kevlar.

1282
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: So that's right.

1283
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: You've hit You've hit fifty years years of age. If

1284
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: you start buying jeans that are so practical that they're

1285
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: made out of kevlar, you're in your fifties.

1286
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: I am.

1287
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: You know how your dad moved? Do you know how

1288
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: dad move? I am.

1289
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: I was going through a wardrobe the other day. I

1290
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: was holding up pairs of board. He's going, I'm never

1291
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: going to wear them again because I am now. I

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Speaker 1: am budget smugglers, and I don't care. I just don't care.

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Speaker 3: It's been great being Thank you so much, Osh again

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Speaker 3: that's another out, second best out.

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Speaker 2: It is second best.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's it's lovely to give a ship

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Speaker 1: after years and years and years of giving a ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, care now, Yeah, I think that's a wonderful

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: freedom that you can explore. I'm in that phase now

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Speaker 3: where I care about things, but I don't care as much.

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: I care about the impression I leave, not the impression

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: people take of me. So you know what I mean.

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: Like if people if people look at me and they go,

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: they can think whatever they like. I don't care. I

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: care about the impression I leave. The impression I deliberately leave.

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Speaker 3: That's what I care about.

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Speaker 1: It's the only part you can control it.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Go to bed, sleep at night.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what people say about me behind my back.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen and a half minutes before you get up and

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Speaker 1: do some training and some radio and run three companies

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Speaker 1: and study to be a level four DIP. You haven't

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Speaker 1: got the diploma yet. That's now, go for diploma.

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Speaker 3: I'll go for you. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to

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Speaker 3: do I need to wait. I need a few years.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait a few years and then I'll do a diploma. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll get there a good time. I probably in the meantime,

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Speaker 3: I'll probably get a pilot's license or something stupid that

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01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: I also don't want. Do you hear the Merrik's got

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Speaker 3: a helicopter license?

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Speaker 1: Has he is?

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Speaker 3: He got a helicopter?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not that, because he's Merrik.

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Speaker 1: One day, one day you just won with a big

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01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: Osca written on the side.

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Speaker 2: Landing on your Oscar chopper is the dream.

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: Landing at the gig at the Grapes of Mirth. You're

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01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: landing there like deep purple at fucking mountain stadium, grabbing

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Speaker 1: the microphone and hell out of valet.

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Speaker 3: People going he's gone full elon. Never go full elon.

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Speaker 3: This is really delicious. Try the other flavors. I reckon,

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 3: you're a grape. This is a mix Yeah, yeah, I

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: brought a mixed box for you because I'm a great

1337
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: guy and I think I had one pre prepared at home.

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Speaker 3: But I do overthink that ship.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. That's great, Thank you for coming in.

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: Thanks that was Merrik Watts. You can get his new drink.

1341
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: It's called Poscar posc A. We'll put a link in

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Speaker 2: the show. It's rather good. Like I said, he's not

1343
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: paying me to say and tell.

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Speaker 1: You this, but I bought it.

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Speaker 2: I bought a case of it at More.

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Speaker 1: It's really delightful and he's such an impressive man, an

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: incredible guy.

1348
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: He's going to make so much money with that.

1349
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Speaker 3: God. I'm thrilled for him.

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Speaker 2: He works real hard and he's a fabulous human being.

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01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm also trying to convince him to come and do

1352
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: a story club on the sixth of July, but keep

1353
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: an eye out. I'll let you know next week if

1354
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: I've locked him in, but I'm trying to get there.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to pre order your copy of So What

1356
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: Now What?

1357
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: Helped me help a whole bunch of other people for

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: getting the word out about this brand new book. I'm

1359
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: going to be talking about it a lot between now

1360
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: and when the book comes out, probably more after that,

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01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: but yeah.

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01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: Please get a copy of So What Now What? You

1363
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: can pre order it right now.

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01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: You're pre ordering that book sends a huge signal to

1365
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: all the people that make book purchases, so please jump

1366
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: on the show notes and click that link.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Adam Bunch for making this episode. I'll see

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Speaker 2: you Monday.