1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apogee production. 2 00:00:14,161 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: Before before you got like got into all Lockstock and 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,921 Speaker 2: Bayer two Barrels and all like that. 4 00:00:18,081 --> 00:00:20,001 Speaker 3: You wouldn't Leny Henry. Yeah, you don't show with Lennie 5 00:00:20,001 --> 00:00:23,281 Speaker 3: Henry about before. Was that was that before? 6 00:00:23,401 --> 00:00:24,161 Speaker 4: Was that before? 7 00:00:24,881 --> 00:00:26,721 Speaker 3: In Sickness and Health? Was that after? 8 00:00:27,121 --> 00:00:27,321 Speaker 1: Yeah? 9 00:00:27,321 --> 00:00:28,641 Speaker 3: I think it was just it. 10 00:00:28,521 --> 00:00:31,081 Speaker 1: Was I think I think Leddy was that Lady was 11 00:00:31,201 --> 00:00:32,481 Speaker 1: just before? 12 00:00:32,921 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 00:00:34,521 --> 00:00:38,881 Speaker 1: Because because Amon Walker, who's Amon Walkers are really good 14 00:00:38,881 --> 00:00:40,881 Speaker 1: at AM Walkers does a lot, you know, he's like 15 00:00:40,961 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: you know in America and it's that of a great actor. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,041 Speaker 1: But out of London. He played married Gold in the 17 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:51,841 Speaker 1: in Sidness and in Health, Mary Gold was like Alf 18 00:00:52,321 --> 00:00:54,521 Speaker 1: the bigot the races he was. 19 00:00:54,641 --> 00:00:55,081 Speaker 3: He was. 20 00:00:55,401 --> 00:00:58,681 Speaker 1: Mary Gold was his helper, like because he's an old man. 21 00:00:58,761 --> 00:01:02,081 Speaker 1: So Marago Married Gold lived there. But Amon played him 22 00:01:02,081 --> 00:01:02,561 Speaker 1: like gay. 23 00:01:02,721 --> 00:01:03,281 Speaker 4: He was gay. 24 00:01:03,721 --> 00:01:07,321 Speaker 1: I really like say that is big six foot black 25 00:01:07,361 --> 00:01:11,121 Speaker 1: guy was gay, very feminus and Alf used to hate 26 00:01:11,121 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: that is a biggot. You know what's worst for him 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: he is having a black gay guy like looking after. 28 00:01:18,121 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: So there was a lot of play on that and jokes. 29 00:01:20,081 --> 00:01:23,881 Speaker 1: But then happened then Johnny Spade, the writer when Marigold 30 00:01:23,961 --> 00:01:25,601 Speaker 1: moved out, he must have. 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,681 Speaker 4: The storyline was with my character Pele. I was Marigold's cousin. 32 00:01:29,961 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Pele came in. So when Al first met me and 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,441 Speaker 1: and our wife said, oh, you know Pele staying there, 34 00:01:36,441 --> 00:01:39,241 Speaker 1: and I said, who's Pele's Marigold's cousin. He's all right, 35 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,201 Speaker 1: he's a nice boy, you know, he's not going to 36 00:01:41,321 --> 00:01:43,081 Speaker 1: mess around. He's not he's not a nurse, but he's 37 00:01:43,081 --> 00:01:44,801 Speaker 1: going to just with rending the room out to him. 38 00:01:45,161 --> 00:01:48,041 Speaker 1: But what with me? I was straight, but I was 39 00:01:48,041 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: like rumping all these girls and everything, you know. And 40 00:01:50,681 --> 00:01:52,481 Speaker 1: Alf used to see all these women coming out of 41 00:01:52,481 --> 00:01:55,601 Speaker 1: the room, you know, the Pelle character. So it's like 42 00:01:55,921 --> 00:01:58,761 Speaker 1: from having a gay guy like in and out, fearing 43 00:01:58,761 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: about and winding him up, there was like this guy, now, Pele, 44 00:02:02,041 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: the cousin, who was like having like all these little 45 00:02:04,841 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: life affairs with all these really cute chicks, and a 46 00:02:08,681 --> 00:02:09,281 Speaker 1: feldn't like that. 47 00:02:09,441 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: So there you go out. 48 00:02:11,161 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: They picked that they picked a name for you well 49 00:02:12,801 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: because you actually but when you were younger, you look like. 50 00:02:17,401 --> 00:02:20,041 Speaker 4: If someone said that to me, I can't quite say it. 51 00:02:20,121 --> 00:02:27,601 Speaker 2: But anyway, after that, then you got a good role, like, 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: and I thought it was a good role when you 53 00:02:29,041 --> 00:02:32,641 Speaker 2: played Lennox on the Only Feels and Horses, Like I know, 54 00:02:32,721 --> 00:02:34,561 Speaker 2: I know, I know you got you were in lockstock 55 00:02:34,561 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: and batter two barrels and that's they were like good. 56 00:02:36,721 --> 00:02:39,841 Speaker 2: But to me, Only Feels and Horses were so big 57 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: in UK back then and still it still gets talked 58 00:02:42,441 --> 00:02:42,961 Speaker 2: about now. 59 00:02:43,361 --> 00:02:46,881 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah they yeah, yeah, yeah. 60 00:02:46,041 --> 00:02:48,041 Speaker 2: I think that, Like I remember you in that and 61 00:02:48,081 --> 00:02:49,881 Speaker 2: it was just like you were so have you always 62 00:02:49,921 --> 00:02:52,201 Speaker 2: been funny, like like as a kid, have you always 63 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,041 Speaker 2: been funny? 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,001 Speaker 4: No? No, not really. You know it's funny, it's funny. 65 00:02:58,041 --> 00:03:01,921 Speaker 1: You should say that because I've always Yeah, I think 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: I've always had funny bones. It's called funny bones, you know. 67 00:03:05,561 --> 00:03:08,361 Speaker 1: So yeah, and then obviously you develop it so you 68 00:03:08,361 --> 00:03:10,121 Speaker 1: can put it on straight. But I'm not too sure 69 00:03:10,161 --> 00:03:12,601 Speaker 1: if it with the dates and everything, and but I 70 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:18,161 Speaker 1: believe that Lennox Gilby the Shadow was eighty something and 71 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: then Alf was sort of eighty eight nineties. Then the 72 00:03:25,881 --> 00:03:29,401 Speaker 1: Lenny Henry Show was kind of just nineties, just a 73 00:03:29,441 --> 00:03:34,321 Speaker 1: little bit there because because guy used to was when 74 00:03:34,321 --> 00:03:36,121 Speaker 1: he was at college, used to come home he told 75 00:03:36,201 --> 00:03:38,081 Speaker 1: me and watch me on the Lenny Henry Show, and 76 00:03:38,121 --> 00:03:40,441 Speaker 1: he liked my dull sick tones and that's when he 77 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:42,321 Speaker 1: was considering me for Rory breakup. 78 00:03:42,841 --> 00:03:45,441 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, you know. 79 00:03:45,561 --> 00:03:47,721 Speaker 1: And then I mean, but but as I said, the 80 00:03:47,801 --> 00:03:51,921 Speaker 1: only fools and Horses thing, that's mad because even they 81 00:03:52,001 --> 00:03:55,121 Speaker 1: repeat it, they repeat it all the time, not just 82 00:03:55,201 --> 00:03:58,601 Speaker 1: my episode, just the program. And when they when when 83 00:03:58,641 --> 00:04:01,441 Speaker 1: they showed my one the longest night, it was on 84 00:04:01,441 --> 00:04:03,281 Speaker 1: a Saturday, been on a Saturday, and there was no 85 00:04:03,361 --> 00:04:05,001 Speaker 1: internet in those days, and this, that and the other, 86 00:04:05,201 --> 00:04:09,641 Speaker 1: and apparently seventeen million people watched it then. So ye, 87 00:04:10,481 --> 00:04:14,161 Speaker 1: those seventeen million people. If you look at it now today, 88 00:04:14,161 --> 00:04:17,921 Speaker 1: those same seventeen million. Okay, some will be here, some 89 00:04:17,961 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: have passed on, but the majority right retentively, when it's 90 00:04:23,801 --> 00:04:27,681 Speaker 1: been repeated, they still remember me. And it's crazy because 91 00:04:27,721 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's more. And I've seen even like 92 00:04:30,841 --> 00:04:34,081 Speaker 1: your postings on Instagram and at vest BACKLD officials and 93 00:04:34,841 --> 00:04:37,481 Speaker 1: with David Jason. I've posted a picture there and people 94 00:04:37,481 --> 00:04:39,961 Speaker 1: a lot of people love it and they just they 95 00:04:40,001 --> 00:04:42,481 Speaker 1: just keep it keeps on counting, It keeps on counting 96 00:04:42,521 --> 00:04:45,801 Speaker 1: because it's in people's subconscious and then they continue, they 97 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,041 Speaker 1: continue to repeat it. But I mean, what a great 98 00:04:48,081 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: program to have been a part of. 99 00:04:49,481 --> 00:04:51,801 Speaker 3: Oh, that was an unbelievable show. That unbelievable. 100 00:04:52,241 --> 00:04:53,481 Speaker 4: I'm lucky. I'm so lucky. 101 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:56,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, dude, you miss that kind of TV work, 102 00:04:56,081 --> 00:04:59,721 Speaker 2: doing that TV work or because you know, when they 103 00:04:59,801 --> 00:05:02,721 Speaker 2: tried to redo only feels on horses and yeah, I 104 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:05,561 Speaker 2: felt when they tried to redo it again, did you 105 00:05:05,601 --> 00:05:07,121 Speaker 2: think it's still like that same feeling? 106 00:05:07,681 --> 00:05:07,921 Speaker 4: No? 107 00:05:07,921 --> 00:05:10,281 Speaker 1: No, no, no, And even the actors that worked in 108 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,201 Speaker 1: it didn't think it had that same feeling. That was 109 00:05:12,241 --> 00:05:14,561 Speaker 1: a very good it's a very good question, actually, and 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: because I think you know, things have done differently. Okay, 111 00:05:17,681 --> 00:05:20,681 Speaker 1: they say, in my industry it's run by suits now, 112 00:05:22,001 --> 00:05:25,681 Speaker 1: the lawyers and the accountants. So you see, and there's 113 00:05:25,681 --> 00:05:28,041 Speaker 1: not there's nothing bad in that. But what you'll find 114 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: is that the it loses that vibe, the creative side 115 00:05:32,081 --> 00:05:35,361 Speaker 1: of it. Right, So so they're looking more at say 116 00:05:35,841 --> 00:05:39,801 Speaker 1: the numbers, the quality, the quality and the quality and 117 00:05:39,801 --> 00:05:42,721 Speaker 1: that and that sometimes gets affected by the cast. The 118 00:05:42,761 --> 00:05:46,121 Speaker 1: casting gets affected by it because they might think the 119 00:05:46,121 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: four million that's being put into this project has come 120 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:51,281 Speaker 1: from this has come from that companies and they want 121 00:05:51,281 --> 00:05:52,841 Speaker 1: to see a bit of this, and I want to 122 00:05:52,841 --> 00:05:55,001 Speaker 1: be of that and the blah. And even though you 123 00:05:55,081 --> 00:05:57,601 Speaker 1: wrote it, and even though you're the director that we 124 00:05:57,721 --> 00:06:00,121 Speaker 1: really want to do this because your name is on it, 125 00:06:00,241 --> 00:06:05,041 Speaker 1: we still the creative license is partially with you, guys. 126 00:06:05,201 --> 00:06:05,761 Speaker 4: Yes it is. 127 00:06:05,921 --> 00:06:11,081 Speaker 1: This is at the casting per se, but they certify 128 00:06:11,161 --> 00:06:13,881 Speaker 1: themselves to lawyers and the accountants, and then when the 129 00:06:13,921 --> 00:06:17,481 Speaker 1: casting process is done, and then you're doing it, you're 130 00:06:17,521 --> 00:06:19,801 Speaker 1: up and you're running and you're doing it. You feel 131 00:06:19,841 --> 00:06:22,241 Speaker 1: like an actor. When you're as an actor, you feel 132 00:06:22,241 --> 00:06:25,601 Speaker 1: like there's some slight constraint going on here. 133 00:06:26,841 --> 00:06:30,481 Speaker 4: And I don't know whether it's an American thing, but 134 00:06:32,401 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: it's like there is no room. There's no room to fart. 135 00:06:36,121 --> 00:06:38,041 Speaker 4: You can't even far from you know what I mean. 136 00:06:38,081 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 4: It's like, but hey, that's great. 137 00:06:41,841 --> 00:06:45,121 Speaker 1: It's good because somewhere along the lines, you're going to 138 00:06:45,201 --> 00:06:48,601 Speaker 1: work with a director or a writer. A writer will 139 00:06:48,641 --> 00:06:51,321 Speaker 1: write something in a certain director. Certain producers will get 140 00:06:51,361 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: into it and say, you know, we want to do 141 00:06:53,001 --> 00:06:55,841 Speaker 1: it this, we want to do it old school. Yeah, 142 00:06:56,761 --> 00:06:59,401 Speaker 1: we're not constraining it. And those are the things that 143 00:06:59,521 --> 00:07:02,481 Speaker 1: the cream will rise to the top. Because if you 144 00:07:02,521 --> 00:07:05,241 Speaker 1: think about it, like when we finish this conversation, go 145 00:07:05,281 --> 00:07:07,721 Speaker 1: on to have I gone to Netflix, our Amazon, I'm 146 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:10,321 Speaker 1: going to spend thirty five minutes just trying to find 147 00:07:10,361 --> 00:07:11,361 Speaker 1: something I want to watch. 148 00:07:11,761 --> 00:07:13,361 Speaker 4: And when I do get to it, by then. 149 00:07:13,281 --> 00:07:16,081 Speaker 1: I've fallen asleep trying to find it, and then I'll 150 00:07:16,121 --> 00:07:17,761 Speaker 1: just think, you know what, I'm going to bed. So 151 00:07:17,841 --> 00:07:20,121 Speaker 1: it's not the job just searching for it. There's nothing 152 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:24,601 Speaker 1: you can count for ten things that you look at, 153 00:07:24,961 --> 00:07:28,041 Speaker 1: there's only one there that's really got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 154 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:30,081 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm trying to say. And it's 155 00:07:30,121 --> 00:07:33,561 Speaker 1: like like score Stacy hits it all the time, cause 156 00:07:33,601 --> 00:07:37,321 Speaker 1: Tarantino hits it all the time. Certain actors get involved 157 00:07:37,321 --> 00:07:39,401 Speaker 1: in it all the time. So when you watch them, 158 00:07:39,441 --> 00:07:40,841 Speaker 1: you get it, you know what I mean, Even if 159 00:07:40,841 --> 00:07:45,121 Speaker 1: it's a bad film, it's a good performance. So and 160 00:07:45,161 --> 00:07:50,961 Speaker 1: as again, the investment comes from the suits. So it's interesting. 161 00:07:51,001 --> 00:07:53,201 Speaker 1: It's a very good question. It's a very good question. 162 00:07:53,881 --> 00:07:57,841 Speaker 2: I've actually I've noticed that because I was looking through 163 00:07:57,881 --> 00:07:59,641 Speaker 2: a lot of what you've done and all the work 164 00:07:59,681 --> 00:08:00,401 Speaker 2: that you've done. 165 00:08:01,921 --> 00:08:05,241 Speaker 3: Is it weed how you always get picked to do. 166 00:08:07,121 --> 00:08:11,441 Speaker 2: Gangst the roles or gangst the TV shows or movies? 167 00:08:11,561 --> 00:08:14,881 Speaker 2: Is the is the what's the what's the go there? 168 00:08:15,121 --> 00:08:16,921 Speaker 2: You just like doing that? You love doing that kind 169 00:08:16,961 --> 00:08:17,281 Speaker 2: of work. 170 00:08:17,921 --> 00:08:19,521 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, Yeah, I've done a few and I've 171 00:08:19,521 --> 00:08:20,321 Speaker 4: done also I've done that. 172 00:08:20,321 --> 00:08:23,401 Speaker 1: I did one called Joe Joe Home Alone and that 173 00:08:23,601 --> 00:08:25,641 Speaker 1: was like about a kid that got left at home. 174 00:08:25,841 --> 00:08:27,841 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that one. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. 175 00:08:27,761 --> 00:08:29,681 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that one awards, that one awards. I just 176 00:08:29,721 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: played the grandfather in that and that was a lovely 177 00:08:31,721 --> 00:08:33,641 Speaker 4: role to play. But yeah, you know, listen, you just 178 00:08:33,801 --> 00:08:35,601 Speaker 4: I'm cool because I just go with the flow. 179 00:08:35,841 --> 00:08:38,641 Speaker 1: So if it's like you've got a or you've got 180 00:08:38,681 --> 00:08:40,681 Speaker 1: to steal money or you know what I mean, you're 181 00:08:40,721 --> 00:08:43,721 Speaker 1: a drug baron or whatever, it's all good by me. 182 00:08:44,921 --> 00:08:47,801 Speaker 1: Yeah there's this and this goes on every day as 183 00:08:47,881 --> 00:08:48,401 Speaker 1: the police. 184 00:08:49,041 --> 00:08:49,201 Speaker 3: You know. 185 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:50,601 Speaker 2: It's like it was like it was like when you 186 00:08:50,641 --> 00:08:52,761 Speaker 2: played Massive in Me Machine, you know what I mean. 187 00:08:53,361 --> 00:08:55,241 Speaker 3: That was a funny role. That was a very funny role. 188 00:08:55,401 --> 00:08:57,481 Speaker 2: Like I thought, I thought you were very funny when 189 00:08:57,481 --> 00:08:59,921 Speaker 2: you were playing Rory Rory, but that was funny. 190 00:09:00,561 --> 00:09:00,801 Speaker 4: Yeah. 191 00:09:00,921 --> 00:09:03,321 Speaker 1: But and then but with Massive as well, it's Massive 192 00:09:03,481 --> 00:09:07,401 Speaker 1: was like he was like very likable, you know, and 193 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,721 Speaker 1: he was, and you do get characters in prison that 194 00:09:09,761 --> 00:09:10,481 Speaker 1: are likable. 195 00:09:10,761 --> 00:09:13,841 Speaker 4: They you know, they want to do they want to 196 00:09:13,841 --> 00:09:15,921 Speaker 4: do their time without causing trouble. 197 00:09:16,521 --> 00:09:19,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Massive was like that, and I think Vinnie's 198 00:09:19,281 --> 00:09:22,641 Speaker 1: character he saw that in Massive as well. So Massive 199 00:09:22,681 --> 00:09:25,321 Speaker 1: became an ally, you know, and you do get characters 200 00:09:25,361 --> 00:09:27,321 Speaker 1: like that, you know, it's it's real life. So yeah, 201 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:40,081 Speaker 1: but that's nice for me to say.