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Speaker 1: From the newsroom.

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Speaker 2: A news still come to me.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: There, I'm Andrew Buckler, and what a wild week it

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Speaker 2: has been in the federal election campaign. How wild you ask? Well?

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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party released a disc track about labor.

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Speaker 3: It cost too much to live.

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Speaker 2: The economy is looking a mess man, so we live

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Speaker 2: in shape to check labor. Goada is still and self stressed.

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Speaker 3: We need to find a solution. He to switch up

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Speaker 3: to people in power. I just want to put food

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Speaker 3: on the teeth, so I'm willing to do.

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Speaker 4: It at Kata.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we'll be hearing that song of

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Speaker 2: the Aria Awards. He's what Anthony Albanezi had to say

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: The Liberal Party can explain their own campaign for me.

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Speaker 1: Some of it's a wavy on my comprehension.

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Speaker 2: So much else has happened in the past few days.

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Speaker 2: The major parties have unveiled their policies to help you

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Speaker 2: home buyers. Peter Dutton had to fend off some awkward

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Speaker 2: questions about his son, and Russia has caused a little

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Speaker 2: bit of drama as well. We're going to unpack all

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Speaker 2: the big moments in this episode with news dot Com

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Speaker 2: dot Us political editor Samantha Maiden, as well as journalist

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Speaker 2: Sam Clencher News Wires. Jess Wang's I've been traveling around

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Speaker 2: the country on the Liberal Party campaign bus. We'll get

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Speaker 2: underwag in a sec.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's exciting now. I feel like we've

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Speaker 4: finally got to the exciting part where all the wills

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Speaker 4: is back from the campaign trail. So what's happened since

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Speaker 4: we last spoke. We've had the campaign launches, it's all

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Speaker 4: been happening. Jess, what are your observations of how the

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Speaker 4: campaign launch went for Peter Dutton.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was pretty standard as far as campaign

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Speaker 5: coalition's two major plays to sort of get voters back

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Speaker 5: been lacking for during the campaign. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: that's sort of played out as much as they I've

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Speaker 5: the news poll has showed them sort of slipping a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you think it's going, Sam?

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Speaker 3: I think I agree with what just just said regarding

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Speaker 3: sort of been just dragging along, not in their favor

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Speaker 3: for I mean essentially a fortnite now, so they sort

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Speaker 3: of needed a reset and I don't think that's what

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Speaker 3: was delivered at that campaign launch. The property policies in particular,

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Speaker 3: I think have come in for a lot of flak,

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Speaker 3: We've heard this before from both of them, election campaign

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Speaker 1: Think, what do you think the real problem is?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the real problem is that the system

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Speaker 3: And this has been a problem for a long time,

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Speaker 4: But I think that the Labor Party did get a

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Speaker 4: no means test. We will give you access to a

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Speaker 4: And I think there's been a big criticism, as you said,

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Speaker 4: basically saying, release the Treasury advice. What does it say.

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Speaker 4: They've tried to say it wouldn't have a significant inverted

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Speaker 4: exactly as you said, Sam, it's just common sense. Hello,

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Speaker 4: if you are making it easier for people to get

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Speaker 1: That's going to drive prices up.

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Speaker 4: Now, there's a couple of other things that the Albanezi

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Speaker 4: get in with a depositors loan. It's two percent. In

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Speaker 4: But this policy that they announced over the last week

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Speaker 6: Coalition gubet will allow you to deduct interest payments on

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Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think the reaction was from

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Speaker 5: I think Labor's policy is really easy to explain. It's

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Speaker 5: essentially depending obviously whether or not the banks will give

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, there are people, true that have these

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Speaker 4: interesting kind of flip Once again that the major parties

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Speaker 4: instead we had Jim Charmers come out with this policy

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Speaker 4: you know, the percentage that they charge at a lower income,

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Speaker 4: having observed Peter Dutton on the campaign trail, what do

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Speaker 5: I think with the press conferences, you don't see him

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Speaker 1: As ever doing that. No, Anthony Aberanezi does that all

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Speaker 4: And what the Prime Minister does is he's really adept

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister plays all sorts of games like that.

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Speaker 1: Harry Styles, but Harry Dutton. So he started it.

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Speaker 4: At the campaign launch, Peter Dutton had this video which

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Speaker 4: gave a little speel about how he was saving like

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Speaker 4: our reporter from news dot com basically said, well, what

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Speaker 1: Mum and Dad? Are you going to roll that out?

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Speaker 6: Mister Dutton, you've got hurry out here today.

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Speaker 2: Can we get some clarity around whether you will be

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Speaker 2: just a moment, welcome back. You're listening to a discussion

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Speaker 2: between Samantha Maid and Sam Clench and Jess Wang about

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Speaker 2: the big issues from week three of the federal election campaign.

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Speaker 4: This issue really blew up in the last twenty four hours,

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Speaker 5: As the Indonesian President announced this, that's not my understanding.

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Speaker 6: There's commentary that I've seen reported from the Indonesian spokesperson

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Speaker 4: But there's also these real questions about how much information

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Speaker 3: It just sos that sometimes the political incentives spur someone

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: You know, we're now kind of really beyond a little

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Speaker 5: I think it seems like it's now sort of Labor's

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Speaker 5: It's more like, can they ensure that nothing sort of

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Speaker 3: This campaign has reinforced a problem I've had with Australian

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Speaker 4: one of the debates. Hopefully he's going to talk to us.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we can talk to him about it. Which is,

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Speaker 4: if he did believe all these things in twenty fourteen, right,

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Speaker 4: where did all that go? It wasn't popular, people lost

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Speaker 4: their minds, but he had a really coherent idea that

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Speaker 4: the health system was unsustainable. It was not reasonable to

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Speaker 4: expect really wealthy people should go and see a doctor

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Speaker 4: for free. Why shouldn't people with some capacity pay something.

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Speaker 4: We've got an aging population, We've got to make all

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Speaker 4: these things add up. I think he was actually talking truthfully,

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Speaker 4: you know, like he genuinely believed that. And so the

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Speaker 4: question is, well, do you still believe that, or do

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Speaker 4: you think it's not politically workable, or have you now

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Speaker 4: disavowed it, you know, what is basically the situation, and

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Speaker 4: then you know, like I do also think from the

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Speaker 4: other side that there's questions that Anthony Abernese as he

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Speaker 4: needs to answer about, you know, what is his next

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Speaker 4: prime ministership about?

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Speaker 1: Really right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, like all of a sudden he's telling us

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Speaker 4: he's going to give us five percent housing deposits. But

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Speaker 4: that seems a bit Johnny cum lately, Like why does

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Speaker 4: he want to be prime minister again? What's the big

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Speaker 4: vision for the next term? Is it really to give

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Speaker 4: us a five dollars a week tax cut? Is that

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Speaker 4: the big vision? I mean, is the big vision just

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Speaker 4: kind of tweaking Medicare? Like I don't know, Like I

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Speaker 4: think that probably the Prime Minister needs.

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Speaker 1: To be put out of a bit more pressure over

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Speaker 1: that as well.

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Speaker 2: Some great analysis there from Sam Maid and Sam Clench

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Speaker 2: and Jess Wang. You can read all of their exclusives

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Speaker 2: at news dot com at dot a u your home

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Speaker 2: for the latest news from the federal election. All right,

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Speaker 2: that's it for today's episode. Have a wonderful easter, won't you,

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Speaker 2: and we'll chat to you again on Tuesday.

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