1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Deborah Rosmand, Welcome to the podcast, all the way 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: from sunny California. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so delighted to be here. 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: I tell artist, there's what you're looking at your window at. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm looking at a redwood tree outside my window right now, 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: one of the big wide redwood trees leaves, and it's gorgeous. 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: They are whenever I want to connect with nature. 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are pretty How old are some of the 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: redwoods over there? 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: And are ridiculous something? 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: Oh, some of them are over two thousand years old. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: They're called old growth redwoods. And you know there's you know, 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: there's a by the Redwood State Park here they have 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: a big tree trunk with all the rings and they 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: list the dates. This is what happened here, Here's where 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Jesus was born. Here is where Wow, the revolution was. 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: It's just awesome to think that I'd been around so long. 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Is pretty magical actually being around very calming, actually being 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: around them, which is a nice. 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: Little segue to what we're going to talk about. 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: So, so Debra, you've got a PhD. Tell our listeners 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: about your background. 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: What was your PhD in? 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: And then how did you get interested in the area 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: that you're interested. We're going to talk about all things 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: heart rate variability and coherence. 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: Oh my, well, I try to make this a short 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: background that it started when I was five years old 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: when I had this awareness why am I here? What 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: am I here on the planet for? And I voice said, 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: You're here to serve? So I was always looking what 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: that meant and how do I serve? Should I be 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: a kindergarten teacher, a fourth grade teacher, you know, as 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I went up, But eventually I realized that I really 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: want to understand how to change attitudes and this was 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: me and as a teenager, I just knew that was key. 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: So I went to the University of chicag to change 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: theory and I became behavioral psychologists. Came out to California 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: to continue my studies at UC Santa Cruz and fell 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: in love with the area. Never really left and developed 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 2: my doctorate was really in At that time. I got 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: involved with meditation, and meditation for children was my thesis, 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: so my doctors and child psychology behavioral psychology, and I 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: was teaching that when I was discovered that you know, 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: if I had somebody sit on a pillow and become 47 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: their head, talking to their heart on another pillow about 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: their problem, and then switched rolls and sat on the 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: heart pillow talking to their head, and they went back 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: and forth until they finally settled in the heart pillow 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: and had the intuitive inside er, the aha realization. I thought, 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: there's something here about these two different domains of perception. 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: And then when Doc Children, who's the founder of heart Math, 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: told me that he wanted to research in a lab 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: heart intelligence, I went, WHOA, that's what I'm experiencing. Yes, 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: So I helped him start the Heartmouth Research Lab, which 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: wasn't called heart Math back then in the nineteen ninety one, 58 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: a long time ago, but we wanted to understand what 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: the emotional heart, the energetic heart, and how it connected 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: the physical heart because he anticipated stress increasing and increasing 61 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: for people's We got more interconnected globally and people needed 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: simple tools, a simple, user friendly system that wasn't based 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: on a particular religion or philosophy, but based on our psychophysics, 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: theology how the heart and brain talk to each other. 65 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: So it was right up my alley. And when we 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: research different types of biofeedback to see what was going 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: on in our emotional world, to see what we could 68 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: change or reflect. We did Gelvanic's skin response green waves 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: that ways, but it was in the beat to beat 70 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: changes in heart rate, which is what heart rate variability is. 71 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: That we saw emotional state reflected. And that's that's my story. 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: That which is a very interesting story, the whole heart 73 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: rate variability, heart coherence. 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: So let's just dig into the listeners. 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it's worthwhile digging a little bit deeper into 76 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: heart rate variability, and so you as you mentioned, Deborah, 77 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: it is the variability between the time interval between the beats. 78 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: It's not your resting heart rate. It's about the regularity. 79 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: And many years ago, I used to just assume that 80 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: your heart was metronomic. That it was like if it 81 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: was sixty beats a minute, was your heart it would 82 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: beat like a metronome once a second, which is not 83 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the case. 84 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: Or if it is the case, you're in a better trouble. 85 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: It's not right, Yes, you would be in trouble. What's 86 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: so interesting is heart rate variability, when we began researching 87 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: in the early nineteen nineties, was just being used in 88 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: fetal monitors and to be able to see that your 89 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: heart rate is actually changing with every single beat, Paul, 90 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: it was amazing because that sensitivity is so important for health, 91 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: for well being, and for emotional flexibility. And let me explain, 92 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: because when we're babies, we have the most heart rate variability, 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: very deep flexibility in the heart rate, so we can 94 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: quickly cry, we can quickly calm down. When we get older, 95 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: it's very age related. Our heart rate variability or heart 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: rate flexibility changes. So when you say you have a 97 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: heart rate of sixty beats per minute, or with these 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: heart rate monitors show that is an average over the minute, 99 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: it could be fifty five beats, seventy five beats, fifty 100 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: eight beats, and the averages out to the sixty five 101 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: beats per minute. Now, if we take a measurement of 102 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: heart rate variability, a metric, a sensor that can plot 103 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: each beat, you will start to see a pattern of 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: the heart rate changing, which is a reflection of the 105 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: autonomic nervous system parasympathetic and sympathetic and how they interact. 106 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Sympathetic is active, parasynthetic is relaxing. So if this is 107 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: a simplified version, I know and actually do the simplified version, 108 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: but then I am happy to go very deep on 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: this because I really want people to. 110 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Understand the impact of the sympathetic nervous syst and the 111 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: parasympathetic nervous system on their heart, the vegus, nerves, all 112 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: of it. Like, go as deep as you want, because 113 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: I'd be wanting to get an expert on HRV on 114 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 1: the show for quite a while. 115 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's wonderful. So when we plotted, there's two 116 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: ways to plot heart rate variability. One is, let me 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: back up a little bit. Is the amount you know, 118 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: like seventy beats per minute, fifty beats per minute or 119 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: is it the metronome fifty five beats per minute fifty 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: five fifty five. The more the vertical access, the healthier 121 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: you are. And say, when you're a chill we have 122 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: the most and there's age related natural decline that actually 123 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: is reflecting the decline in our emotional flexibility as well. 124 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: You want to be able to get up and run 125 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: if an angry dog is chasing you. That's a sympathetic 126 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: activation of your sympathetic nervous system that can move, and 127 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: you want to be able to let athletes do bring 128 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: down your heart rate right away when you want to rest. 129 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: A pair of sympathetic response, which is the relaxation response. 130 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: So the more we have this flexibility, the better health, 131 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: and the less flexibility is really a predictor of disease. 132 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: In fact, that vertical heart rate variability is a predictor 133 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: of all cars more talent. Yeah, so now that's very interesting. 134 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: And most heart rate variability, the wearables are only reflecting that. 135 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: They'll give you a score, but they don't tell you 136 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: how to improve it. They'll just give you a score 137 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: for recovery. There's different ways you can use that on 138 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: a wearable sensor. Now, what Heartmath Institute did, our research 139 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: did is we were like, okay, what happens if we 140 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: can plot the horizontal axis the pattern of these beat 141 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: to beat changes the fifty five to sixty five to 142 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: forty five? What's it look like? And what was a 143 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: discovery that was published in the American Journal Cardiology in 144 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:47,359 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five was that when we're feeling angry, impatient, anxious, stressed, 145 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: any stressful emotions, the parasympathetic and sympathetic interaction in the 146 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: HIV become very jagged and irregular, reflecting how we feel. 147 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: It was blow way to see our emotional state reflected 148 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: in that pattern of the interaction between the parasympathetic and 149 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 2: sympathetic nervous system, which make up the autonomic nervous system, 150 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: which control ninety percent of the body's involuntary functions, sleep, digestion, elimination, 151 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: hormonal balance, immune response. Amazing amount the autonomic nervous system controls. 152 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: That's why yogis in deep meditation are learning how to 153 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: regulate the autonomic nervous system. When you're stressed a lot, anxious, lot, depressed, frustrated, angry, impatient, 154 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: the body doesn't recover quickly unless you know how to 155 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: regulate the nervous system. When the nervous system becomes dysregulated, 156 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: all the cascade events of it's hard to see. You 157 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: wake up in the middle of the night, you have 158 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: digestive problems, you have headaches. I mean, the whole cascade 159 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: of the stress response affects your physiology and how you feel. 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: So we have a term that has become very popular 161 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: now that most of us these days, with accumulated stress 162 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: with especially what's going on in the world, have nervous 163 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: system disregulation. 164 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: I was just about to say those words, Debra, and 165 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: I actually think the more that I've been digging into 166 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: this area, the more that I believe that autonomic dysregulation 167 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: is one of the fundamental drivers of poor physical and 168 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: mental health. That's out there right now, and I think 169 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: it's worth I think you'd be in violent agreement on 170 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: that from your expression. 171 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 2: Yes, And in fact, Heartmanth was one of the leaders 172 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: in uncovering that and researching that from the early nineteen nineties. 173 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: And course we're so glad that more people are discovering 174 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: that now. Trauma unresolved, trauma, unresolved stress is like a 175 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: pattern of imprinted nervous system dysregulation because it's been repeated 176 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: over and over, or it's been strongly imprinted. Now here's 177 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: the good news. When you are feeling not just calm, 178 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: Calm helps to balance that nervous system, but when you're 179 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: feeling appreciation, gratitude, kindness, genuine care, love. These sincere heart 180 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: qualities have been long associated with the heart and ancient 181 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: philosophy and poetry in religions qualities of love. These bring 182 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: the a nervous system into a stain of synchronization and balance, 183 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: so they heart rate variability the horizontal pattern over time, 184 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: and I mean a minute or two minutes or three 185 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: minutes quickly turns when you're feeling those into the sine 186 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: wave like beautiful rolling hills, whereas the stressful emotional pattern 187 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: is like a jagged, irregular waveform. 188 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: And Debra, I've actually used this using one of your products, 189 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: the Innerbalance Coherence. Plus I've actually used this when I'm 190 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: doing a workshop. So you you will put that on 191 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: to somebody. Put the device on. It's connected to the phone, 192 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and there's a little device that connects to your ear 193 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: that's measuring your HRV, and then I get them to 194 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: do something stressful, right, So you're showing one of the 195 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: devices which I have here, right, and I'll get them 196 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: to do something stressful. Think about a stressful event and 197 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: then count backwards in sevens from three hundred. 198 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: While I'm hassling. 199 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Them, and you see on the screen exactly what you're 200 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: talking about. It goes old jagged and their HRV drops, 201 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: So the HRV drops and that pattern that you talked 202 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: about gets jagged, and then I get them to do 203 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: some slow control breathing and HRV goes up and the 204 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: whole pattern smooth side. So let's talk about the two 205 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: way interaction then between the brain and the heart. And 206 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: you guys talk about heart coherent, so obviously everybody gets 207 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: that your emotions can affect your sympathetic nervous system. I 208 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: think when we're angry, or we're upset, or we're freed, right, 209 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: if there's fear, how that's activation and sympathetic nervous system. 210 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about some of the things that happens. 211 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Your pupils dilate, your heart beats faster, your blood pressure 212 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: goes up, your liver dumps blood sugar into your system. 213 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: You know, where you have this full sympathetic. 214 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Nervous system activation from an emotion. That's and what about 215 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: the other way of rhyme And let's bring in breathing 216 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: and the connections between the heart and the lungs into this. 217 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you asked so to continue the story, 218 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: and I'll explain what you're saying. If you can use 219 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: that heart rate variability biofeedback and see the pattern and 220 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: use a heart maath technique or other technique which is 221 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: synchronizing breathing and feeling, that's the key you quickly shift 222 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: from that stress feeling and pattern into a more sine 223 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: wave like or physics calls a coherent waveform. So that's 224 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: why we call it heart coherence. You want to be 225 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: able to shift into that. And by the way, you 226 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: can have heart coherence at a very high heart rate, 227 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: like you're impassioned on your stage and you're loving the 228 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: people as a speaker, and you can coherence and at 229 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: a high heart rate, and you can be in coherence 230 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: at a low heart rate. It has nothing to do 231 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: with the amount at that time. It has to do 232 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: with how you're feeling and breathing. So what happens in 233 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: the heart brain two way interaction is when you're stressed 234 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: and angry or frustrated, just simply impatient and out of 235 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: sync with yourself. Your heart has its own little brain 236 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,119 Speaker 2: inside it, an intrinsic nervous system with forty thousand neurons 237 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: that are sensory neurons that can learn, sense, feel, and 238 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: remember that was only discovered in the nineteen nineties at 239 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: Delhousie University. But it's a blow away breakthrough research discovery 240 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: because this hearts independent little nervous system or brain operates 241 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: independently from the brain in our head. And what's happening 242 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: is when you get into heart rhythm incoherence stressed, it 243 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: sends a signal up the vagual nerve to two places. 244 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: It sends it a pathway to the amigdala, the emotional 245 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: center that stores fear, trauma emotions, and it sends anxiety. 246 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: It sends it to the thelmas in the center of 247 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: the brain that synchronizes cortical function. It signals the brain stress, 248 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: fight flight, or fright, and it shuts down our higher 249 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: cortical reasoning functions, so we're prepared for survival to take action. 250 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: This is important to understand because it's an important stress response, 251 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: but nowadays it's so continuous for so many people that 252 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: it becomes stress triggers. Anything can trigger us, especially with 253 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: today's political environment or global environment, we can get so 254 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: easily anxious or triggered, and that's constantly sending stress signals 255 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: to the imigdala, which then brings up the memories of 256 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: when you are anxious before, and that is what's happening 257 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: to so many of us. So no wonder there's a 258 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: whole epidemic of anxiety disorders depression. I could go on 259 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: and on, but now let's talk about the other side, 260 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: coherence and why not. 261 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: Sorry, just before we do talk about coherence. 262 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: I do want to double click on what you said 263 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: and make sure that people understand what you said, so 264 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: everybody gets that you're having an emotional response to something 265 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: that that affects your heart rate, that affects your sympathetic 266 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: nervous system, affects your whole body. Right, what you're telling 267 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: us is that the heart has specialized neurons that act 268 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: independently of the brain and can then affect those emotional 269 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: centers in the brain. 270 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: So it's a bottom up pathway and word. 271 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: Do and how do those neurons in the heart become activated? 272 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Is that a heart rate response from external input from 273 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: efferent nerves or is there something independent? Do we know 274 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: what causes the activation of those neurons in the heart 275 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: today and feed up to the brain. 276 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: They are sensory neurons, so they're responding to input from 277 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: our five senses and also our emotional state. So those 278 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: neurons are sensing blood pressure as well. There's five different 279 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: ways the heart talks to the brain upstairs. The brain 280 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: upstairs then responds based upon its programming or what it knows, 281 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 2: and tells the body to go into fight or flight 282 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: er fright if it's a stress response. So it's a 283 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: real important two way dynamic. The heart sims the brain, 284 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: the brain responds and tells the heart to speed up 285 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: heart rate even more, and they've got a whole cycle going. 286 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: And this is how we affect our heart, affects our brain, 287 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: affects our heart. It's an amazing process that we can 288 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: learn to interact with and that is the basis of 289 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: nervous system regulation. 290 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: And that's really one of the kids. 291 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: That's the mic drop, isn't it that we can interact 292 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: with this and put a level of voluntary control on this. 293 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: And before we jump into that and talk a little 294 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: bit about the barrel reflex, like where does this play 295 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: a role? 296 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: Well, the barrel reflex is what we've been talking about. 297 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: It's coming from the intrinsic nervous system and the heart, 298 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 2: and it's the frequency is around zero point one hurts 299 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: on a power spectrum er and the measuring what's going 300 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: on and how the heart communicates to the brain. And 301 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: what's so important is when we talk about that voluntary 302 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: interaction and the emotional state, a different signal is sent 303 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: to the brain through the vague nerve and the barreer reflex. 304 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 2: When we're feeling positive emotion, genuine, sincere positive emotion. We 305 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: say we're opening our heart, we're connected in the heart, 306 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: we're loving, we're caring, we're appreciative. It's the barrel receptor. 307 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: It's all setting around that signal a different a different 308 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: frequency to the brain. 309 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: Right, excellent. 310 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: So let's then talk about this heart coherence that you 311 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: guys talked about. Why Why is it useful for stress 312 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: and decision making? 313 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: It is critical for optimal performance and clarity and decision making, 314 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: especially when there's a lot of stress for triggers happening 315 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: in society around you, from family, workplace, whatever. So the 316 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: body is designed to work harmoniously. We get out of balance, 317 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: we come back to balance. The nature is all set 318 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: up on chaos and coherence. If you only have chaos, 319 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: you self destruct, you only have coherence, you don't grow 320 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: through challenge. Yeah nice, right, So what's beautiful is that 321 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: you can generate coherence, and it's so important these days 322 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: that you learn how to do that. So coherence is 323 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: when the heart rate variability goes into this beautiful rolling 324 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: hills sine waves where parasympathic and sympathetic are imbalance and 325 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: they're interacting and so you're present, you're clear, you're able 326 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: to jump up if you need to, and you're relaxed 327 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: at the same time. What does this remind you of 328 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: getting in the zone in analytics? 329 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm just a woy to ask about flow because you 330 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier on that your heart rate can be high 331 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: but still have this this beautiful sign wave and and 332 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: and I was going to ask about me high chess 333 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: met me high concept of flow right, which for those 334 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: who who who aren't familiar with it, flow is not 335 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: a state of of of serene relaxation. Flow is were 336 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: there is high challenge and high skill, So there has 337 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: to be challenge involved to be in flow. Otherwise you're 338 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: just relaxed, right, So. 339 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: So so talk us through that a little bit. 340 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: So. 341 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: And and also the other thing you mentioned there is 342 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: your sympathetic nervous and your parsympathetic and balance. So some 343 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: people think that there are opposite ends of the seesaw, 344 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: that one is active the other suppressed, but that's not 345 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: quite the case. 346 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: Is that they're both always going on. It's the the balance, 347 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: isn't it. 348 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: Yes, and synchronous is even more powerful than just balance 349 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: of sympathetic and parasympathty coherence. As you maintain that sine 350 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: wave flow of the autonomic nervous system, it synchronizes. So 351 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: parasympathetic and sympathetic actually synchronize and send a signal to 352 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: the brain of optimal harmony. And so you're felamus, you're 353 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: amygdala that received the signal, and the frequency from the 354 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: heart reflect then on positive emotions, potential, possibility, creative thinking, intuition. 355 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 2: It's a whole different aspect of human consciousness. And so 356 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: coherence is what enables the system, the operating system of 357 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: the body to say, everything's so k. Now, we can 358 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: be creative, we can be dynamic, We're in flow. Flow 359 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: is a present state, being very present and emotionally attuned. 360 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: You can't have flow of just challenge and without emotional 361 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: balance and emotional attunement. So that's why we always bring 362 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: everything back to the key to regulation is breathing plus feeling. 363 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: Interesting. 364 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: Talk to us more about because a lot of people 365 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: out there will will you know, we know. 366 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: A little bit about HRV. 367 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: Will know that by doing slow control breathing, many different 368 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: forms of slow control breathing, you can optimize or improve 369 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: your heartbate variability. But talk to talk to us about 370 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: the role here of emotions. 371 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: Right, So, heart math techniques you almost always start with 372 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: heart focus breathing focusing in the area of the heart, 373 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: and you're breathing in about a six second rhythm, which 374 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 2: starts to bring that zero point one Hurtz coherence waveform, 375 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: that activation of the barer receptor, so that puts you 376 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: in the state of neutral balance. It starts, However, to 377 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: sustain coherence, it's not about continuously being conscious of your breath. 378 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: If you start breathing at heart focused breathing one of 379 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: those heart qualities that activates your heart energy and strengthens 380 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: and changes the signal to the brain. So say you're 381 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: breathing joy or breathing love, or breathing care, or breathing 382 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 2: any of those wonderful breathing calm, breathing patience. We have 383 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: a technique called attitude breathing where you're replacing impatience, for example, 384 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: with breathing. The energy and quality of patience that does 385 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: it sends that signal, that frequency to the brain and 386 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: you start to feel more patient and it builds up coherence. 387 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: Coherence has then a cumulative carryover effect. That's why a 388 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: lot of golfers we talked about at the beginning. We 389 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: get into coherence before they drive and the ball goes further. 390 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: They're in sync. Their heart, brain nervous system is regulated, 391 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: and not only regulated, but in sync. When you get 392 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: these systems in sync, blood pressure rhythm synchronizes to the 393 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: heart rhythm. You really brain waves synchronize. That's a powerful 394 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: internal state for performance. I don't care what athletic performance 395 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: you're doing. That's your biohacking optimal state. And that state 396 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: actually increases your mental perception. So it's not just physiological 397 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: in that sense. You feel better, you perceive a bigger picture, 398 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: you have more intuition. It's the state we all love 399 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: being in, and usually it's haphazard. You can now create 400 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: that state on demand. 401 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: So tell me this. 402 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: So that heart coherence, and you talked about different ways 403 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: of doing that, is that always associated with certain brand 404 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: We have patterns which I suspect would be alpha low beta. 405 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Is that the case or can there be different brand? 406 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: We have patterns with different states of coherence. 407 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: Both. 408 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: So alpha synchronizes to the coherent heart rhythm. Now you 409 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: have to understand that the heart puts out with every 410 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: beat about two point five watts of power that goes 411 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: through the heart the hearts for magnetic field. So just 412 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: that pattern of that beat, which is the heart variability pattern, 413 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: is sending powerful signals to every cell of your body, 414 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: affecting health, but also affecting the brain and how you perceive. 415 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: So it's going to light up different areas of the brain, 416 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: depending upon the situation, depending upon how you feel, depending 417 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: upon your history, you know, so that we have a 418 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: lot of brain scan images in the lab that relate 419 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: to different states, and in coherence, you do see the 420 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: alphorithm synchronize. But the brain is such a complex organ 421 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: and so affected by our memories and our history and 422 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: all that that you want to practice coherence. Heard, coherence 423 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: is a practice. It's not one time and it lights 424 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: up your whole brain. It has carryover effect in your day, 425 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: cumulative effect and how you respond to situations. It's got 426 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: a protective effect. So things that normally would trigger you 427 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: are water off a duct's back. Because you're in sync, 428 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: you're in harmony, you're in balance, and over time, it's 429 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 2: actually going to increase your intuitive and intelligence capacity why 430 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: we call it heart intelligence and giving you more clarity, 431 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: so you make better decisions, you see more choices, you 432 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: have a maturity, a more emotional and mental maturity that's 433 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: super important for optimal performance. 434 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So would it be accurate to say 435 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: there's lots of bio feedback and techniques that are out there. 436 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: Would it be an accurate statement. 437 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: To stay that in Heart Moth you combine biofeedback techniques 438 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: with meditative techniques. 439 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: You could say that because when we've researched and tested 440 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: a group of Zen practitioners, they had very high coherence. 441 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: So the biofeedback confirmed their meditation state was really coherent. 442 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: And there's so many states of prayer that are in 443 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: that rhythmic pattern that increase our coherence, especially if we're 444 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: feeling loving. The key is the feeling. I keep bringing 445 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: it back to that loving kindness, peace, all of that 446 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: and sustaining that with our regular breathing. Deep breathing, slow 447 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: breathing brings the system into coherence very quickly. So yes, 448 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: they're meditative techniques. There's physiological techniques and that HRV bio 449 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: feedback like you see with our inner balance sensor and 450 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: app shows you when you're in that state, so it 451 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: helps you refine your meditation. I can't tell you how 452 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: many people, including myself, still after all these years, if 453 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: I want to go quickly to a deeper meditative state 454 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: when I'm meditating, instead of rambling around in my mind 455 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: for a while, I use the biofeedback to see where 456 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: I am and it just gets me meaningfully right there 457 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: in the pocket. I don't waste the time, and I'm 458 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 2: feeling incoherence. So it's starting to open up more of 459 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: my intuitive insight, which is what I enjoy in meditation. 460 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I am a rubbish meditator, I will be 461 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: the first to admit, but bio feedback, particularly breathing buyo feedback, 462 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: whether it's heart moth or other things, I find is 463 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: something that I can lock into quite easily and some 464 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: other people do, and that then brings that more meditative state. Right, 465 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: So it's a kind of it's a little hack for 466 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: getting in there. But you also talk about and you 467 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: talk about building resilience. So what for the listeners in 468 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: your view, is the difference between managing stress, whether it's 469 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: through breathwork or meditation or whatever. What's the difference between 470 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: managing stress and building resilience. 471 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 2: Well, the Department of Defense because we train in all 472 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: four branches of the military adopted Heart Master of definition 473 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: of resilience. Most people think resilience is the ability to 474 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: bounce back quick from a stressful episode and you build 475 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: up that capacity. Resilience, from our research, is an accumulation 476 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: of coherent energy in your system with its carryover effect, 477 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: so that you are resilient in the face of stress. 478 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: You don't even have to bounce back because you're not 479 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: getting stressed capacity. You're increasing your capacity to handled challenge. 480 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: And that's really what resilience allows. It's an energy, a 481 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: resilient energy, so that you move through life with more capacity. 482 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: Excellent. 483 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: And that is for me, the difference between resilience and hardiness, 484 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: which I studied in my PhD, right which hardiness is 485 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: a greater capacity in the ability to grow from stress. 486 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: So interesting overlap, and we are starting to run out 487 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: of time. 488 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 3: But there's a few questions I want to ask you. 489 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: So, how could somebody who's listening to this, who doesn't 490 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: have any heart math equipment, how could they do your 491 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: heart cook coherence exercise and what could they expect from it? 492 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 3: Talk us to. 493 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, again, the equipment bio feedback just reflects what 494 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: you're doing. So there's a whole series of heart math 495 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: techniques that you use and once you use it with 496 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: a bio feedback and you refine it, you practice those techniques. 497 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 2: There are one minute techniques on your own whenever you 498 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 2: feel triggered or when you want creativity. We have techniques 499 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: like quick coherence how to quickly shift into that waveform 500 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: of sine wave. We have attitude breathing that I mentioned 501 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: that helps you sustain and really shift attitude and perception 502 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 2: in the moment. That opens up a bigger picture because 503 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: of the heart brain communication. And we have freeze frame 504 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 2: technique which gives you more intuitional access. Lets you see 505 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: what your head is saying, what your heart is saying, 506 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: and go deeper into that intuition and synchronization. They go 507 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: to the heartmouth website heartmouth dot com. You can download 508 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: the Heartmth Experience which shares these techniques. It's free. You 509 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 2: can go to the Heartmuth app on your app store 510 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: or Google play Store and download the Heartmauth app. You 511 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: have seven days free trial before you subscribe, which gives 512 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: you access to heartmouth training. Heartmauth techniques, the ones I 513 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: just mentioned and You can get the sensor if you 514 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: want at the heartmauth dot com website. Go there and 515 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: explore and see what you're drawn to. But the techniques 516 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: are super simple. Our founder, Doc Children once said, simplicity 517 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: is crunched complexity. 518 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 3: I like that. 519 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: So we've taken very complex science and put it into 520 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: a simple, user friendly system that we teach children preschool 521 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: through college so they can see how to get in 522 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: sync and how to handle when they're upset or stressed 523 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: to come back to that inner balance. And the techniques 524 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: are as simple as focusing in the heart, breathing through 525 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 2: the heart area, and activating a feeling of gratitude for anything, 526 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: your pet, something something in your life that you can 527 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: feel grateful for. And if you can't feel anything, then 528 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: just activate calm and breathe calm, and you'll start bringing 529 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 2: your system into that sine wave coherence. The biofeedback that 530 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: you see like WHOA, I did that, I can do that. 531 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 2: It's it amazes people when they see that they have 532 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: agency over there. 533 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: And I think for anybody who is kind of skeptical 534 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: of this area, the beauty is you can be your 535 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: own scientist, which I always say to people, you could 536 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: be your own scientists, like you get get a biofeedback device. 537 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: And because some people may. 538 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Be thinking, oh I'm gonna I'm gonna sit here and 539 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: breathe and think about emotion. 540 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 3: That's a bit fluffy. 541 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: But try it and see what happens with the biofeedback device. 542 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: Ye, exactly. That's heart power. 543 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: Is that ship don't lie right when you're getting that 544 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: biofeedback and and and you know, biofeedback, neurofeedback. There's just 545 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: so much research of those areas about how it can 546 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: change your physiology. 547 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 3: Last question that. 548 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: Debra, but what excites you most about the future of 549 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 1: research in this area and then about worrible technologies? Right, 550 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of separate questions in one. 551 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 2: What excites me most is the potential of how research 552 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: that we're doing right now in Interconnectivity at the Hartmouth 553 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: Institute showing how this zero point one hurts the bar 554 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 2: receptor that synchronizes heart and brain is actually nature's frequency 555 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: and it actually puts us in connection with something in 556 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: the Earth's field. The potential for humanity, that's what excites me. 557 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 2: That people really can take charge of this once they 558 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 2: know how, and it's simple enough that anyone can do it, 559 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: that we can all learn to get along with each other, 560 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: that we can harmonize internally and release past traumas and 561 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 2: really learn. This is an idealism, this is reality. I've 562 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: seen it done in groups. We can learn to be 563 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 2: opt demise, our teamwork, our creativity, our listening, and our 564 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 2: heart connection. And it's the future of humanity to heart 565 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: to bring out real heart intelligence. Has been talked about 566 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 2: for ages through every religion is about love. Well, this 567 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 2: is putting that into action with the physiology of how 568 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: it works, and so that potential is what excites me most. 569 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: And I do believe that wearables that give us that 570 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: refined heart rhythm biofeedback will help guide us and guide humanity. 571 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 2: That's why we created the heart meth app too, as 572 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: you can try it and it can be translated in 573 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: languages all over the world, so we can have a 574 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 2: billion people. That's our goal, our vision, getting into heart coherence. 575 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 3: That's a pretty cold vision, it really is. 576 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: And anybody who wants to explore the science, and you 577 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: publish a bucket load of research on the on the 578 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: heartmath website, right, so they can do actually go and 579 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: look at the peer reviewed research that's published in this area, 580 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: so so so, Deborah, where. 581 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 3: Can people go to learn more? Is it the heart 582 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 3: math website? Is that? 583 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: Is that? 584 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: It? Just go to heartmouth dot com. There is personal training. 585 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 2: You can come certified as a Heartmouth coach or Heartmouth 586 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 2: Organizational trainer in workshops just or just for yourself. Go 587 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 2: to heartmouth dot com. Get the heart Meth experience, get 588 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: the sensor if you can, because that connects you to 589 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: all the apps and gives you hands on personal training. 590 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 2: How to get into coherence and how to have the 591 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: carryover effect, how to build coherence in your system and 592 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 2: resilience and how to handle the challenges of life today. 593 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 3: And who doesn't need that? 594 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: Doctor, Deborah Rosmond, thank you very much for giving us 595 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: your time and expertise. 596 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 3: I think that's been most useful for people. So thank you. 597 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me here and allowing 598 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: me to share this with everybody. And it's an act 599 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 2: of self care for everyone to begin to practice HERT coherence. 600 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: Very cool. Thank you. 601 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 2: Thanks