1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: From the newsroom. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: A news still come today. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 3: Good day there. 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 4: I'm Andrew Bucklow, and I tell you what, it's a 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 4: big day for conspiracy theorists. Donald Trump has about to 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 4: release all of the files relating to the jfk assassination today, 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 4: and he says he's not going to hold anything back. 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 4: I don't believe we're going to redact anything I said. 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 5: Just don't redact. 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 4: You can't redact. 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: I've heard about him for three It's going to be 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: very interesting. 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 4: Quick little history lesson for you if you're not familiar. 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: So John F. 15 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 4: Kennedy was the President of the United States. He was 16 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: assassinated in nineteen sixty three. He was shot and killed 17 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: by a man named Lee Harvey Oswald, but he never 18 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: went on trial because just two days later he was 19 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 4: shot and killed by a different gunman. Hmm, all a 20 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: little bit sas, isn'tetts. There have been a bunch of 21 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 4: conspiracy theories over the years, the most prominent ones being 22 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone, and maybe 23 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 4: that entities like the CIA or even the mafia were 24 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: involved in a cover up. Maybe we'll find out today 25 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: there's any truth to those theories. If so, we will 26 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: bring you all the bombshells at News dot com dot 27 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: AU elsewhere on our side today, while you can find 28 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 4: James Wiir's latest recap I Married at First Sight. Even 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: if you don't watch the Channel nine reality show, make 30 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 4: sure you read James's recaps. 31 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: They are so bloody funny. 32 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: Today's he's all about a woman having an emotional breakdown 33 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: after being locked inside her husband's really ugly house for 34 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 4: twenty four hours. 35 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: I mean, just read it, you will love it. 36 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: Okay, changing gears Now, some pretty shocking stats have just 37 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: come out about people's mental health right here in Australia. 38 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: It's actually really alarming. 39 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: We're going to take an in depth look at it 40 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: in this episode. We'll find out just how bad the 41 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: problem is, what's causing it, and then an expert is 42 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 4: going to sprinkle some wisdom about how to fix it. Well, 43 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 4: I've joined in the studio now by News dot com 44 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: Dot a U reporter Natalie Brown Gooday, nat Hi Bucky, 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: some pretty shocking stats about mental health here in Australia 46 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: have been released or run me through them. 47 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a pretty picture. Research by News Corps 48 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: Growth Distillery Many Bank has found around one in three 49 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: adults rate their mental health as below average. 50 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: That is not good at all. 51 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 4: I mean, I've definitely rated myself as below average before, 52 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 4: but not in terms of my mental health. Thankfully tell 53 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: me more. 54 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: We're not going to dig into that confession, Bucky. The 55 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: most shocking stats were to do with the mental health 56 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: of gen Z. 57 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: Now, I always get confused about gen Z. When were 58 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: they born? 59 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: So they're born between nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. 60 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: Okay, so a little bit out of my window. Yeah, 61 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 4: what have we found out about their mental health? 62 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: So in the last fifteen years, the number of young 63 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: ossies with the mental illness has gone up by thirteen 64 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: percent to thirty nine percent. And our research showed that 65 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: sixty nine percent of people agree that young adults today 66 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: experience more difficulties with their mental health compared to earlier generations. 67 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: That's interesting. What are the factors contributing to this deteriorating 68 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 4: mental health of young ossies? 69 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: So the most obvious one is the cost of living crisis. 70 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: Oh God, it's getting us all, isn't it. I know. 71 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Nearly forty percent of young Australians reported feeling behind financially 72 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: or guilty for spending their money. 73 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can totally relate to that, even though I'm 74 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: not a young Aussie, but I get where they're coming from. 75 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: I can relate to that. What else he's giving them grief, 76 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: academic and early career pressures, stress, and anxiety. And the 77 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: biggest one that experts say is specific to gen Z 78 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: is the impact of social media. Now, we spoke to 79 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: a young Ossie named Amalide who's been struggling with loneliness, 80 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: which he partly blames on social media. 81 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: Let's have a listen to her. 82 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 5: Gen Z experience is probably more loneliness because we use 83 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 5: social media in our phones a lot more and it 84 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 5: creates a I think a bit of a warped perception 85 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 5: of our connections with people and society around us. So 86 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: we pick up the phone and we think that we've 87 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: got all these great friendships and connections because you know, 88 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 5: there's likes and comments and a lot of videos that 89 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 5: help you feel relatable. But when that's not around, that's 90 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: not how we feel. 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 6: A lot of time we put. 92 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 5: Down our phones and a lot of the time it's 93 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: not the same connection or support. Social media can make 94 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: us help us feel more relatable and connected. To people. 95 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 5: But then it can also make us feel really isolated, 96 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 5: where we're comparing a lot to other people. We're seeing 97 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 5: other people's highlight reels of them with a lot of friends, 98 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 5: and we think, you know, we've only got a few friends, 99 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 5: and it's not an accurate representation of our real life 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 5: when we put the phone down. 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: Interesting comments there from Emeline. I mean, I do really 102 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: feel for young people nowadays. Social media is so full on, 103 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: so it must be so hard to navigate when you're young. 104 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 4: And also the world just feels like a bit of 105 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: a gloomier place in general. 106 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: Do you think it does? 107 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: But I also feel like compared to when I was 108 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: growing up, there's such an emphasis on mental health nowadays, 109 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 4: like everyone seems to talk about mental health. We've got 110 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: RUOK Day and all these days, and you know, you're 111 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 4: encouraged to talk to people, so it does seem like 112 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: there should be more help available compared to when I 113 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: was a kid. 114 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: Interesting you say that, Bucky. Our research found fifty one 115 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: percent of people have wanted to reach out to discuss 116 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: their mental wellbeing but didn't end up going through with. 117 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: It far out That is quite surprising. So we've got 118 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: all these emphasis on mental health nowadays, but some people 119 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: are still not going out and seeking the help. That 120 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 4: is bizarre. 121 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that figure was even higher for GenZ so 122 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: sixty seven percent, which is well over one in two 123 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: and thirty seven percent of respondents who did reach out 124 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: to someone to discuss their mental health said they received 125 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: an unhelpful or negative response. 126 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 4: That it must be crushing, and that's not what you 127 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 4: want to hear, especially when people are going to the 128 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: effort of reaching out and trying to get that support 129 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 4: and then not getting the help they need or not 130 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: getting a friendly reaction is devastating. 131 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and this is what Amalie told me she experienced. 132 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 6: It can be really discouraging sometimes when you do reach 133 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 6: out and you get knocked back. I've had some negative experiences, 134 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 6: I think in some of the lowest points of my life, 135 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 6: and last year when I reached out quite directly, you know, 136 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 6: telling people really really need someone right now, even just 137 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 6: a bit of a bit of company, just someone there 138 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 6: right now in ten minutes, and that wasn't accepted. That's 139 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 6: when I found it really really hard. 140 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: And one other thing, Bucky, more than thirty percent of 141 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: young people also told us that they felt unprepared when 142 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: approached by someone wanting to discuss their mental health. 143 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: I mean it is daunting if someone comes to you 144 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: and you have no training, you didn't know what to say, 145 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: and someone's like, oh, I've got to tell you, I'm 146 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: really really struggling. 147 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I think it's a tricky conversation as 148 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: the person who's wanting to raise your mental health, but 149 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: also as we've got to have a bit of grace 150 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: for the person who's on the other end. 151 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: Well, here at US dot com dot au, we want 152 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: to change those stats so that they're a little bit 153 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 4: more positive. So we've launched a campaign called can We Talk, 154 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 4: in partnership with Medibank. The aim is to equip Aussies 155 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: with the skills needed to have the most important conversation 156 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 4: of their life. 157 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: The campaign is live right now. 158 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: We're going to have a bunch of articles online over 159 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks with tips and tricks. But 160 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: because you've done the hard yards, you have listened to 161 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: this episode, it's only fair that we reward you with 162 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: some of those tips and tricks. 163 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: Right now. 164 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: In just a moment, we're going to be joined by 165 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: a psychologist to reveal how to tell someone if you 166 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: are struggling, or how to respond if someone confides in you. 167 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: Welcome back. 168 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 5: Well. 169 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: As part of this can We Talk campaign US dot 170 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: com dot Au spoke to Amanda Gordon. She's a psychologist 171 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: from Armchair Psychology in Sydney. We asked her if she 172 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: was surprised by the stat that fifty one percent of 173 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: ossies have wanted to chat to someone about their mental 174 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: health but haven't, and that a third of those who 175 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 4: did actually received unhelpful or negative responses. 176 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: Look, it didn't surprise me that people are anxious about 177 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: how to reach out. It's not something that parents are 178 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: teaching kids to do in many cases, so they don't 179 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: know how to reach out. And there's still a stigma 180 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: attached to having mental health problems, so young people are 181 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: still worried to confess that they feel bad about things. 182 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Because we are not trained to do it, people often 183 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: don't know how to respond. We have days like are 184 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: you Okay Day where we say all you have to 185 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: do is say are you okay? But that doesn't give 186 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: you any idea about what to say when the person 187 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: says no, actually I'm not feeling very good, so no, 188 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't surprise me that people feel very awkward about 189 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: emotional conversations. 190 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: Now, earlier, I promised you some tips for how to 191 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: actually open up to someone if you are struggling. Here 192 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: are some of Amanda's recommendations. 193 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is to get timing a little clear, 194 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: Like be aware that you want the other person's attention, 195 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: So don't start talking to someone when they're really busy 196 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: doing something else, reading a book or whatever. Actually wait 197 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: until you have their attention and then say I'd like 198 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: to talk to you about something that's important to me. 199 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: Is that okay with you? And make sure the other 200 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: person is going to be receptive. Usually when someone's given 201 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: a warning, they're much more able to respond to you 202 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: in a way that's helpful for you. But know that 203 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: you don't have to pour out everything that's worrying you, 204 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: because if you try and do that, it might be 205 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: overwhelming to the person that you want to help you. 206 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: And yet they won't be overwhelmed if you just go slowly. 207 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: So I would say, go slowly, make sure that they're 208 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: there in that moment for you, and that they're prepared 209 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: to listen at this time. 210 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: And Amanda also gave news dot Com dot I use 211 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: some tips on what to do if someone opens up 212 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,359 Speaker 4: to you about their mental health struggles. 213 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: If someone alerts you to the fact that they want 214 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: to talk to you about something, if you possibly can 215 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: stop anything else you're doing and give them your full attention. 216 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: Often that's the really beginning of the healing, is to 217 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: know that someone is listening, that they're not scared of 218 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: what's going on for them, because people are often very 219 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: scared to share and are worried that what they say 220 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: will overwhelm you. And if you let them know you 221 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: can hear, then it's not so bad. You know I 222 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: can deal with this, means you can deal with this too, 223 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: So be there for them and know that you don't 224 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: have to have answers. You just have to be there 225 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: to be supportive. Often by doing that, by being there 226 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: and listening, the person who's suffering will start to come 227 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: up with their own solutions, and you can help them 228 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: implement those solutions instead of having to come up with 229 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: all the answers. 230 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 4: Some great advice there from Amanda Gordon. Big thank you 231 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: to her, and we're gonna have plenty of more great 232 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 4: advice online at news dot com dot you over the 233 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: next couple of weeks as part of out can We 234 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: Talk campaign in partnership with Medibank. Make sure you check 235 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: it out and hey, thank you so much for listening 236 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: to today's episode. I'll chat to you again tomorrow. 237 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: Follow or subscribe to from the newsroom wherever you get 238 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: your podcasts.