1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:12,961 Speaker 1: Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am 2 00:00:13,041 --> 00:00:14,881 Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments and in. 3 00:00:14,761 --> 00:00:18,801 Speaker 2: This episode I speak with former Australian boxing champion Michael. 4 00:00:18,561 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: Patsilas, I'd rather die than have a bad sleep and 5 00:00:22,841 --> 00:00:25,361 Speaker 3: lose it's title. Like, you know how much you want 6 00:00:25,401 --> 00:00:27,481 Speaker 3: this is? You know it's got to be now. You know, 7 00:00:27,681 --> 00:00:30,961 Speaker 3: this is your trying to make the change. How did 8 00:00:31,041 --> 00:00:34,361 Speaker 3: the Olympics? You know, you really put the fear of 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,121 Speaker 3: life into a fighter when you fight them, when you 10 00:00:36,521 --> 00:00:38,281 Speaker 3: both times I've been in a jail, I've sat down 11 00:00:38,281 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: I said to themselves, how fucking great it is. You know, 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: I have gratitude on look. To be honest with you, you, 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,801 Speaker 3: I feel like I've been in a coma for the 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,761 Speaker 3: last twelve years. 15 00:00:50,241 --> 00:00:53,081 Speaker 2: Tell me about you quickly growing up and you know 16 00:00:53,161 --> 00:00:55,841 Speaker 2: how you got into boxing and all like that. Yeah, 17 00:00:55,881 --> 00:00:58,241 Speaker 2: you know, because it's it's an interesting career that you've had. 18 00:00:58,401 --> 00:01:01,721 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I start from the beginning, just 19 00:01:01,801 --> 00:01:04,521 Speaker 3: my brother and I am very passionate guys. You know, 20 00:01:04,601 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: we you know, we had a mum and dad were 21 00:01:06,681 --> 00:01:08,721 Speaker 3: very supportive of us through sport and all the rest 22 00:01:08,721 --> 00:01:10,481 Speaker 3: of it. We had a few years here when we 23 00:01:10,481 --> 00:01:13,041 Speaker 3: were in Sydney, but originally I was born in Timba. 24 00:01:13,881 --> 00:01:16,841 Speaker 3: My brother was in the racing industry. Yeah yeah, and 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,041 Speaker 3: my grandfather was a jockey and then went on to 26 00:01:19,041 --> 00:01:23,041 Speaker 3: be a horse trainer. And you wow, because I was 27 00:01:23,081 --> 00:01:25,001 Speaker 3: just a little bit too big to be a jockey, 28 00:01:25,121 --> 00:01:26,881 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I wouldn't have never, I wouldn't have 29 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:31,041 Speaker 3: made weight. But yeah, like we will push each other along. 30 00:01:31,041 --> 00:01:33,481 Speaker 3: We're both very competitive and like, you know, like one 31 00:01:33,521 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: of my things, like with my brother, like he could 32 00:01:35,481 --> 00:01:37,321 Speaker 3: always beat me in a fighters you know, he'd grab 33 00:01:37,441 --> 00:01:40,241 Speaker 3: something and stabbed me or he was bad. He had 34 00:01:40,241 --> 00:01:42,121 Speaker 3: had a bad ambition that he just wanted to win 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: no matter what. You know, even if I was sleeping, 36 00:01:44,241 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: then you'll come and get me when I was sleeping, 37 00:01:45,881 --> 00:01:48,801 Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, he was little of them, smaller 38 00:01:48,801 --> 00:01:51,041 Speaker 3: than me, but he was older, eight months older than me. 39 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:52,761 Speaker 3: So the day that I learned how to throw the 40 00:01:52,801 --> 00:01:54,841 Speaker 3: straight left jab, you know, and I could keep him away, 41 00:01:54,881 --> 00:01:58,881 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you know, I was keep it away. 42 00:01:59,281 --> 00:02:02,561 Speaker 3: But yeah, so we had a really strong brotherhood and 43 00:02:03,121 --> 00:02:05,321 Speaker 3: we'd push each other along and then you know, I 44 00:02:05,321 --> 00:02:07,761 Speaker 3: built up my record twenty three fights twenty three wins, 45 00:02:07,801 --> 00:02:10,041 Speaker 3: twenty one knockouts. You know, I was on top of 46 00:02:10,081 --> 00:02:12,841 Speaker 3: the world. I'd beat the best of them, and you know, 47 00:02:13,121 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: I'd won a world title. He'd become one of Australia's 48 00:02:17,161 --> 00:02:20,761 Speaker 3: best jockeys. He was actually the leading jockey in Australian racing. 49 00:02:21,201 --> 00:02:23,361 Speaker 3: And it was a week before the Melbourne Cup. And 50 00:02:23,401 --> 00:02:26,441 Speaker 3: then I was in a training camp to fight against 51 00:02:26,481 --> 00:02:29,161 Speaker 3: one and your Marquez for the pound for pound unification 52 00:02:29,281 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: of the world. And I get a phone call from 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: my trainer, Hey, Mick, turn off your phone. You need 54 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: to meet me at the gym. And and I've turned 55 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:37,841 Speaker 3: up there, and I knew, I had that gut feeling 56 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,361 Speaker 3: like something had happened. You know, I'm preparing for the 57 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:43,401 Speaker 3: biggest fight of my life. And and I walked up 58 00:02:43,401 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: to him and I and I said, said something, someone's died. 59 00:02:46,441 --> 00:02:49,161 Speaker 3: Haven't named Brendan An. He said, yeah, your brother, he's died. 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,641 Speaker 3: And the night before that, you know, starting and I 61 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,481 Speaker 3: had the best conversation, you know, it was the you 62 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: know it was it was. It was a really good 63 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,441 Speaker 3: conversation and just you were talking about how after the fight, 64 00:03:01,601 --> 00:03:03,921 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to you know, meet up and 65 00:03:04,321 --> 00:03:06,161 Speaker 3: you know, get the fan families together and all this 66 00:03:06,201 --> 00:03:09,441 Speaker 3: sort of thing because I like I decided to leave Australia, 67 00:03:09,721 --> 00:03:11,961 Speaker 3: you know, like I had made that decision where it's like, 68 00:03:13,321 --> 00:03:15,961 Speaker 3: you know, like like my life wasn't always perfect, you know, 69 00:03:16,121 --> 00:03:18,161 Speaker 3: and you know, and I know I had had a 70 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:22,641 Speaker 3: lot of demons, and I decided to force myself to 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,721 Speaker 3: you know, go overseas, stay there and just focus on 72 00:03:26,761 --> 00:03:29,041 Speaker 3: what I love doing best, you know. And I got 73 00:03:29,081 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: myself the out of the circles that I was in 74 00:03:31,161 --> 00:03:35,161 Speaker 3: and just and I dominated. I just just focused purely 75 00:03:35,201 --> 00:03:39,081 Speaker 3: on my sport. You know. After my brother died, you know, 76 00:03:39,321 --> 00:03:41,961 Speaker 3: I had I had a decision where I wanted to 77 00:03:41,961 --> 00:03:43,361 Speaker 3: go ahead with that fight and fight. 78 00:03:44,961 --> 00:03:47,121 Speaker 1: It was hard to go on with that, like you know. 79 00:03:47,281 --> 00:03:50,281 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there was a media band on it, 80 00:03:50,321 --> 00:03:52,841 Speaker 3: and I'm luck, you know, so they couldn't talk about 81 00:03:53,001 --> 00:03:56,561 Speaker 3: my brother in the tears. The tears would just flow, 82 00:03:56,961 --> 00:03:58,961 Speaker 3: you know, they would just flow, like as soon as 83 00:03:59,201 --> 00:04:01,521 Speaker 3: and I mentioned his name, even just now like talking 84 00:04:01,561 --> 00:04:03,321 Speaker 3: about it, like I can talk about it, and I 85 00:04:03,361 --> 00:04:05,281 Speaker 3: love talking about it. I want to share my I 86 00:04:05,321 --> 00:04:07,681 Speaker 3: have a story to tell, especially with young people coming 87 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:10,041 Speaker 3: through and dealing with adversity. But I just I just 88 00:04:11,081 --> 00:04:15,441 Speaker 3: it was really hard and and and the most vivid 89 00:04:15,481 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: memory I have of people talking about him close to 90 00:04:17,961 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: him dying was when I've dropped one man your markers, 91 00:04:20,881 --> 00:04:22,921 Speaker 3: I've put him on his ass and I've gone in 92 00:04:22,961 --> 00:04:25,281 Speaker 3: to finish him, and the commentators were yelling, and he's 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,041 Speaker 3: thinking of his brother, you know, and I just hesitated 94 00:04:28,081 --> 00:04:30,121 Speaker 3: for the first time in my life. We'd be having 95 00:04:30,161 --> 00:04:32,681 Speaker 3: a different conversation here today. I'll put that I'd be 96 00:04:32,721 --> 00:04:35,721 Speaker 3: the household name all over the world, you know. But look, 97 00:04:35,761 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: that's what happened, and you know, I lost him, and 98 00:04:39,121 --> 00:04:42,641 Speaker 3: you know it was it was after after that, you 99 00:04:42,681 --> 00:04:45,081 Speaker 3: know that, you know, with the drugs and the alcohol 100 00:04:45,161 --> 00:04:48,721 Speaker 3: and gambling, I decided to start masking my pain. That 101 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,121 Speaker 3: just become a common occurrence for me. It's just, you know, 102 00:04:51,201 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: and I just lost the next four fights straight. My 103 00:04:53,721 --> 00:04:56,001 Speaker 3: head was just a mess, you know, and it just 104 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:59,281 Speaker 3: went from a downward spiral. And look, to be honest 105 00:04:59,281 --> 00:05:00,601 Speaker 3: with you, Neil, I feel like I've been in a 106 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:02,881 Speaker 3: coma for the last twelve years, you know, and it's 107 00:05:02,921 --> 00:05:04,881 Speaker 3: taken me that long to come to terms with I. 108 00:05:04,841 --> 00:05:07,161 Speaker 1: Think, did you think the on the drugs took your 109 00:05:07,161 --> 00:05:07,961 Speaker 1: pain awake. 110 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: One hundred per and like that's the only reason, Like 111 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: that's what it was, and and and it's just it 112 00:05:12,641 --> 00:05:15,001 Speaker 3: just there's a lot of things that build to that. 113 00:05:15,081 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: You know, Like you know, when like you know, a 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,401 Speaker 3: normal person might get the taste of drinking alcohol, you know, 115 00:05:20,561 --> 00:05:23,321 Speaker 3: and you know, nine people out of ten, they won't 116 00:05:23,361 --> 00:05:25,121 Speaker 3: wake up the next day and they think, oh, yeah, 117 00:05:25,121 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: I can have another drink. I mean, that's the last 118 00:05:26,561 --> 00:05:28,481 Speaker 3: thing that you're going to want, right, you know, after 119 00:05:28,521 --> 00:05:30,121 Speaker 3: a big night. But you know, like you know that 120 00:05:30,161 --> 00:05:31,921 Speaker 3: one person out of town will go, yeah, I need 121 00:05:31,921 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: a drink. I need a drink. And it depends on 122 00:05:33,561 --> 00:05:35,681 Speaker 3: what you got going on your life, like the trauma, 123 00:05:35,841 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: Like trauma plays a really big part in things in 124 00:05:38,361 --> 00:05:41,121 Speaker 3: your life. And you know, like I can talk about 125 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:45,001 Speaker 3: now even even like as a as a kid. You know, 126 00:05:45,041 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: I was a victim of sexual abuse. And then I 127 00:05:47,481 --> 00:05:50,161 Speaker 3: think just after my brother died, that was the icing 128 00:05:50,201 --> 00:05:52,961 Speaker 3: on the cake. You know, like I already separated myself 129 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: from from the from the circles that would keep me 130 00:05:56,401 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: from moving forward and the things that everything's on me. 131 00:05:59,721 --> 00:06:01,321 Speaker 3: I'm the one that chose to do the things in 132 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,881 Speaker 3: my life, you know. But but the best decision I 133 00:06:03,921 --> 00:06:06,801 Speaker 3: made for myself was just the overseas and just focus 134 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,321 Speaker 3: on my boxing. And you know, and yeah, how. 135 00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:13,201 Speaker 1: Old how old were you when you're at the sexual abuse? 136 00:06:13,761 --> 00:06:14,521 Speaker 3: Seven years old? 137 00:06:14,681 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 138 00:06:14,921 --> 00:06:20,281 Speaker 3: Six, six years old? Yeah, yeah, babysitters, babysitters yeah yeah, 139 00:06:20,361 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: that we're trusted, that were trusted. 140 00:06:22,521 --> 00:06:23,001 Speaker 2: Yeah. 141 00:06:23,121 --> 00:06:27,721 Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is only just coming out now about 142 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:33,481 Speaker 3: two years two or three years, yeah, so six from five, yeah, 143 00:06:33,681 --> 00:06:36,241 Speaker 3: at least at least two years. Yeah. 144 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,921 Speaker 1: Did you you ever like reach out at the time 145 00:06:38,961 --> 00:06:41,121 Speaker 1: to tell people or you. 146 00:06:40,841 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: Would think, look, look, it's it's something that like it's 147 00:06:45,641 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: something like it's it's it's fox with your head, you know, 148 00:06:48,521 --> 00:06:51,881 Speaker 3: and fuck with that. And like I didn't really ever 149 00:06:51,961 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: think about talking about it or dealing with it until 150 00:06:55,121 --> 00:06:57,161 Speaker 3: I got locked up for two years, you know. And 151 00:06:57,201 --> 00:06:58,961 Speaker 3: you know, I've only just got out six months ago, 152 00:06:59,041 --> 00:07:01,961 Speaker 3: but like, fuck, you know, I needed that two years 153 00:07:02,001 --> 00:07:04,041 Speaker 3: just taking it easy, just till I have a thinking 154 00:07:04,121 --> 00:07:06,121 Speaker 3: come out to the now I can talk about everything. 155 00:07:06,201 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: And the thing that I found about being in jail, 156 00:07:08,361 --> 00:07:10,521 Speaker 3: there's a lot of fucking people that are victims of 157 00:07:10,561 --> 00:07:13,841 Speaker 3: sexual abuse, you know, for all the predators out there, 158 00:07:13,841 --> 00:07:16,121 Speaker 3: Like fucking hell, get a hold of yourself. You're fucking 159 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:18,921 Speaker 3: the world up, your fucking people's lives. Don't mean to 160 00:07:18,961 --> 00:07:22,721 Speaker 3: swear so much. I feel emotional about it. And like 161 00:07:22,801 --> 00:07:25,521 Speaker 3: in jailous or there's some good men in there that 162 00:07:25,681 --> 00:07:28,801 Speaker 3: have just been victims of you know, of violence and 163 00:07:29,121 --> 00:07:33,161 Speaker 3: victims of sexual abuse. They suffered all sorts of trauma 164 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,601 Speaker 3: in their lives and then you know, they find their 165 00:07:35,641 --> 00:07:39,121 Speaker 3: happiness and they enjoy that little piece is like you know, 166 00:07:39,161 --> 00:07:41,161 Speaker 3: when they have a drink or if they do drugs 167 00:07:41,241 --> 00:07:44,921 Speaker 3: for them and the normal person they're like, I don't 168 00:07:44,961 --> 00:07:47,921 Speaker 3: like that feeling, you know, whereas like these guys and 169 00:07:47,961 --> 00:07:50,881 Speaker 3: me being one as well, like is, once you learn 170 00:07:50,961 --> 00:07:53,441 Speaker 3: to deal with the trauma, you can fight through that 171 00:07:53,521 --> 00:07:56,561 Speaker 3: and then get help and seek ansistence. It does something 172 00:07:56,601 --> 00:07:58,921 Speaker 3: for you that you can find the answer and find 173 00:07:58,921 --> 00:08:01,441 Speaker 3: a clean life. But a lot of these guys they 174 00:08:01,601 --> 00:08:04,721 Speaker 3: found the answer in drugs or out they think. 175 00:08:04,601 --> 00:08:07,561 Speaker 1: That they're on it, it all goes away with them 176 00:08:07,561 --> 00:08:08,161 Speaker 1: when they come off. 177 00:08:08,401 --> 00:08:11,801 Speaker 3: Yeah, comes back tenfold. And it's not just that it's 178 00:08:11,841 --> 00:08:15,361 Speaker 3: the it's the things that people do whilst they're on it. 179 00:08:15,441 --> 00:08:17,321 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. So I married a beautiful 180 00:08:17,401 --> 00:08:21,361 Speaker 3: Japanese lady and when I was living in America, and 181 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:23,881 Speaker 3: we've now got a daughter together. She's so beautiful, and 182 00:08:23,921 --> 00:08:25,601 Speaker 3: you know, I almost cried every day when I was 183 00:08:25,641 --> 00:08:27,041 Speaker 3: thinking about her. When I was in jail, I was 184 00:08:27,041 --> 00:08:29,521 Speaker 3: just thinking, Holy fuck, what have I left behind? What 185 00:08:29,561 --> 00:08:31,281 Speaker 3: have I done? You know, where's my life come to? 186 00:08:31,361 --> 00:08:33,681 Speaker 3: So I've taken this opportunity to make the most of 187 00:08:33,681 --> 00:08:36,121 Speaker 3: my life. But my wife, MAT's wife said to me, 188 00:08:36,241 --> 00:08:38,761 Speaker 3: she said, it's not what you take. She didn't care 189 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:40,041 Speaker 3: about that. She said, it's what you do. 190 00:08:40,481 --> 00:08:40,681 Speaker 1: You know. 191 00:08:40,801 --> 00:08:42,801 Speaker 3: So if you're a person that like gets on a 192 00:08:42,881 --> 00:08:44,641 Speaker 3: drink and you start caring on like a learn it tick, 193 00:08:45,001 --> 00:08:47,401 Speaker 3: you know, well that's on you. You know that, you know, 194 00:08:47,481 --> 00:08:49,521 Speaker 3: you know that's the person you become. So that's on you. 195 00:08:49,641 --> 00:08:51,521 Speaker 3: Don't don't go say, oh I was just drunk last night. 196 00:08:51,601 --> 00:08:53,721 Speaker 3: I was just high last night. You know, that's on you. 197 00:08:53,761 --> 00:08:55,401 Speaker 3: So you so you're going to own that, you know. 198 00:08:55,481 --> 00:08:57,121 Speaker 3: And that's another thing that I learned, like a lot 199 00:08:57,161 --> 00:09:01,561 Speaker 3: of people inside jail, you know, having accountability, being responsible 200 00:09:01,561 --> 00:09:04,561 Speaker 3: for their actions. You know, I own it up saying yep, okay, 201 00:09:04,641 --> 00:09:06,961 Speaker 3: I know it's me. And you know that's something that 202 00:09:06,961 --> 00:09:08,681 Speaker 3: you know, even I struggled with as well, Like I 203 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:10,841 Speaker 3: wish I just put my hand up ages ago and 204 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:12,641 Speaker 3: to say yes, I've got a problem. Yeah, you know, 205 00:09:12,881 --> 00:09:15,321 Speaker 3: you know I had reservations that maybe I was I 206 00:09:15,361 --> 00:09:17,281 Speaker 3: was a bit slow because it's all the punches in 207 00:09:17,321 --> 00:09:19,401 Speaker 3: the head. Okay, maybe maybe all the fights that I had. 208 00:09:19,441 --> 00:09:21,641 Speaker 3: You know, I've had over a hundred fights. Maybe that's 209 00:09:21,641 --> 00:09:26,241 Speaker 3: a contribute, contributing factor. But nowhere near is the damage 210 00:09:26,281 --> 00:09:28,681 Speaker 3: that the drugs and alcohol can cause to your body 211 00:09:28,721 --> 00:09:31,561 Speaker 3: and mind. And you know, it wasn't until like I 212 00:09:31,561 --> 00:09:34,441 Speaker 3: went and saw a doctor and had an MRI and 213 00:09:34,481 --> 00:09:37,321 Speaker 3: I found out that my brain was as healthy as, 214 00:09:37,441 --> 00:09:39,361 Speaker 3: if not healthier than the average forty year old. I 215 00:09:39,401 --> 00:09:42,641 Speaker 3: was like, well, I got to stop drinking, man, I 216 00:09:42,721 --> 00:09:43,841 Speaker 3: got to stop taking drugs. 217 00:09:43,841 --> 00:09:49,321 Speaker 1: And because that's that's that's massive what you said about 218 00:09:49,721 --> 00:09:52,401 Speaker 1: your sexual abuse for in early two years, how did 219 00:09:52,441 --> 00:09:55,121 Speaker 1: you deal with that? Like being a young kid, I 220 00:09:55,121 --> 00:09:58,041 Speaker 1: didn't know. I did keep it from people. I thought 221 00:09:58,081 --> 00:09:59,681 Speaker 1: it that's how it has to be. 222 00:10:00,161 --> 00:10:02,521 Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't really know what 223 00:10:02,561 --> 00:10:04,721 Speaker 3: it was like. You know, the things that I thought 224 00:10:04,761 --> 00:10:08,521 Speaker 3: and what it made me think about sexuality, and it 225 00:10:08,601 --> 00:10:10,801 Speaker 3: really messes with you growing up. And it's not until 226 00:10:10,841 --> 00:10:13,081 Speaker 3: later that you, you know, then when I'm sitting in 227 00:10:13,081 --> 00:10:15,521 Speaker 3: in the can with guys and I'm relating to little 228 00:10:15,521 --> 00:10:17,801 Speaker 3: things and think the funk, that's my behavior you pick 229 00:10:17,881 --> 00:10:20,041 Speaker 3: up in affectual later on in life. And I had 230 00:10:20,041 --> 00:10:23,921 Speaker 3: no idea, But then I actually caught up with my 231 00:10:24,001 --> 00:10:27,241 Speaker 3: old neighbor from forty years ago, and and he says, 232 00:10:27,481 --> 00:10:32,721 Speaker 3: in Greek, we used the term lily for dick, you know. Yeah, 233 00:10:32,801 --> 00:10:36,441 Speaker 3: And he says he remembers me saying so and so 234 00:10:36,841 --> 00:10:40,481 Speaker 3: made me, you know, to easilyly and so he heard me, 235 00:10:40,521 --> 00:10:42,761 Speaker 3: hear me saying that, and and I said, I said, 236 00:10:43,121 --> 00:10:44,641 Speaker 3: I said, can you back me up on all this? 237 00:10:44,681 --> 00:10:47,201 Speaker 3: Because all this shit's been going on for ages and 238 00:10:47,241 --> 00:10:48,841 Speaker 3: I knew this stuff in my head and it's just 239 00:10:48,881 --> 00:10:51,361 Speaker 3: really messed with me. And like my poor mom, you know, 240 00:10:51,441 --> 00:10:56,521 Speaker 3: she's lost my brother. He died, and like I knew 241 00:10:56,521 --> 00:10:58,921 Speaker 3: it was happening to both of us. And I said, 242 00:10:59,081 --> 00:11:01,041 Speaker 3: I know, one way I ever spoke about it. It was 243 00:11:01,041 --> 00:11:04,361 Speaker 3: just so ashamed and so embarrassed. And I spoke to 244 00:11:04,401 --> 00:11:06,601 Speaker 3: the to the partner that he had, and I said, look, 245 00:11:06,601 --> 00:11:09,641 Speaker 3: did anything ever happened to STARTI and she just burst 246 00:11:09,641 --> 00:11:12,281 Speaker 3: out crimes Michael. He told me never to tell anyone, 247 00:11:12,321 --> 00:11:14,721 Speaker 3: and she just burst out crying about it. Yes, because 248 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:16,601 Speaker 3: he was like an introvert and he would keep things 249 00:11:16,641 --> 00:11:21,001 Speaker 3: inside himself. And look, look, I'm like I'm to the 250 00:11:21,041 --> 00:11:23,881 Speaker 3: point now where like I can't shut up anymore, you know, 251 00:11:23,961 --> 00:11:25,641 Speaker 3: like there's things in my life I've got to speak 252 00:11:25,721 --> 00:11:28,201 Speaker 3: up about. You know, that's pretty fucked up what's happened. 253 00:11:28,441 --> 00:11:31,881 Speaker 3: And a lot of good men that I mentioned hundred percent, 254 00:11:32,041 --> 00:11:33,561 Speaker 3: and there's some good people and the people that I 255 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:37,681 Speaker 3: met inside, Like how many lives are affected by these predators? Mate? 256 00:11:37,681 --> 00:11:39,721 Speaker 3: And it's just got you know, And it's just when 257 00:11:39,721 --> 00:11:41,881 Speaker 3: I get out and I see, you know, I see 258 00:11:41,881 --> 00:11:44,601 Speaker 3: the youth crime crisis going on, and you know, I can't, 259 00:11:44,641 --> 00:11:48,001 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't wait anymore, you know, like I'm 260 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:52,641 Speaker 3: on a mission now, moving never forward. Amateur career. 261 00:11:52,761 --> 00:11:55,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, very impressive mane You I mean, as I said, 262 00:11:55,241 --> 00:11:57,001 Speaker 2: like seventy five wins, six losses. 263 00:11:57,161 --> 00:11:59,281 Speaker 1: Yeah, what made you get into boxing. 264 00:11:59,121 --> 00:12:01,521 Speaker 3: From the age of like seven? You know, like I 265 00:12:01,561 --> 00:12:04,441 Speaker 3: was watching the Rocky movies. You know, and I said, 266 00:12:04,521 --> 00:12:06,161 Speaker 3: I'm going to be world champion one day. I'm going 267 00:12:06,241 --> 00:12:07,881 Speaker 3: to be a world champion one day. And I kept saying, 268 00:12:07,921 --> 00:12:09,841 Speaker 3: I want to be world champion one day, and I 269 00:12:09,881 --> 00:12:13,281 Speaker 3: planted that seed in my mind. And I remember when 270 00:12:13,281 --> 00:12:15,081 Speaker 3: I first went to the pc y seed when I 271 00:12:15,121 --> 00:12:17,721 Speaker 3: was like just eleven years of age, and I've seen 272 00:12:17,761 --> 00:12:20,321 Speaker 3: these guys are just really going as like Mano or Mano, 273 00:12:20,441 --> 00:12:21,841 Speaker 3: you know, like you to give it your best. And 274 00:12:21,841 --> 00:12:26,241 Speaker 3: I got two black eyes. Okay, you know I like that. 275 00:12:26,321 --> 00:12:28,801 Speaker 3: You know it's for the dangerous and then and then 276 00:12:28,881 --> 00:12:30,801 Speaker 3: the next week you go again. I only got one 277 00:12:30,801 --> 00:12:32,881 Speaker 3: black eye. I went sweet bags, and you know I'm 278 00:12:32,881 --> 00:12:37,001 Speaker 3: getting better. That was like, you know, the glass was 279 00:12:37,041 --> 00:12:40,241 Speaker 3: always half full. And you know I've gone from and 280 00:12:40,321 --> 00:12:41,921 Speaker 3: this is part of the thing that I'm doing now, 281 00:12:42,001 --> 00:12:46,601 Speaker 3: Like I've created like an online training program and I 282 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:49,201 Speaker 3: called the Great Blueprint where I passed on everything that 283 00:12:49,241 --> 00:12:51,761 Speaker 3: I've learned in my life. So I teach people how 284 00:12:51,841 --> 00:12:54,201 Speaker 3: I went from a scared eleven year old too afraid 285 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:55,721 Speaker 3: to throw my right hand and I was I was 286 00:12:55,761 --> 00:12:57,681 Speaker 3: too afraid to throw my right hand, and how I 287 00:12:57,721 --> 00:13:01,001 Speaker 3: built up my confidence fight by fight, I mean as 288 00:13:01,041 --> 00:13:03,281 Speaker 3: little as like two or three fives where my confidence 289 00:13:03,361 --> 00:13:05,761 Speaker 3: built and I use that as a plat form to 290 00:13:05,801 --> 00:13:07,881 Speaker 3: build up and up and up and up. So now 291 00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:10,081 Speaker 3: today I can walk up to anyone, talk to anybody 292 00:13:10,121 --> 00:13:13,641 Speaker 3: about anything. I feel fine. I can I can take 293 00:13:13,681 --> 00:13:16,041 Speaker 3: on all battles, you know, whether I'm tired or whatever. 294 00:13:16,401 --> 00:13:18,121 Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be just box. And I can 295 00:13:18,241 --> 00:13:22,641 Speaker 3: apply those same principles and that I'm on a mission now. 296 00:13:22,721 --> 00:13:25,481 Speaker 3: I want to change the mindset of people. I want 297 00:13:25,481 --> 00:13:28,441 Speaker 3: to prevent, you know, the stigma surrounding mental health. But 298 00:13:28,561 --> 00:13:30,801 Speaker 3: people don't talk about it. People talk about things that 299 00:13:30,881 --> 00:13:33,321 Speaker 3: go on in their lives, and that's right, they don't, 300 00:13:33,321 --> 00:13:35,361 Speaker 3: you know, and like Russell Manser, you know, I don't 301 00:13:35,401 --> 00:13:37,881 Speaker 3: know if you had Yeah, and you know, like the 302 00:13:37,921 --> 00:13:40,241 Speaker 3: stuff that he talks about, you know, legend and God 303 00:13:40,281 --> 00:13:42,281 Speaker 3: rest his soul, you know, like and the example that 304 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:43,921 Speaker 3: he left in life and the things that he would 305 00:13:43,921 --> 00:13:46,121 Speaker 3: pass on to people like I've got nothing admiration for 306 00:13:46,161 --> 00:13:47,441 Speaker 3: that bloke. Yeah. 307 00:13:47,521 --> 00:13:51,881 Speaker 1: Yeah, So from from amateur you went to Sydney Olympics. 308 00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:55,841 Speaker 2: Yes, I feel when you were going to represent Australia. 309 00:13:55,481 --> 00:13:58,961 Speaker 3: May yeah, yeah, it made it so good, like so 310 00:13:59,681 --> 00:14:02,441 Speaker 3: I was like, I went, I won the Ocean of Games, 311 00:14:02,481 --> 00:14:04,841 Speaker 3: and you know, to do that was pretty tough. You know. 312 00:14:04,841 --> 00:14:06,801 Speaker 3: I was at the AIS preparing for it, you know, 313 00:14:06,841 --> 00:14:09,041 Speaker 3: with the you know, with Australia's the lead athletes and 314 00:14:09,441 --> 00:14:12,681 Speaker 3: these training camps and that, and like I got really sick, man, 315 00:14:12,721 --> 00:14:14,761 Speaker 3: I got really sick before that fight. I was. It 316 00:14:14,841 --> 00:14:16,321 Speaker 3: was just really I don't know whether it was the 317 00:14:16,361 --> 00:14:18,121 Speaker 3: weather or what. I got sick. And you know, I 318 00:14:18,201 --> 00:14:20,001 Speaker 3: rang my mom and I had my family there. My 319 00:14:20,041 --> 00:14:21,961 Speaker 3: family loved me, have a lot of Greek family here 320 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:24,601 Speaker 3: in Sydney. They're very supportive of what I wanted to do. 321 00:14:24,721 --> 00:14:28,001 Speaker 3: And you know, I used that passion from inside, you know, 322 00:14:28,081 --> 00:14:30,041 Speaker 3: to dig deep and I really wanted you know, I 323 00:14:30,081 --> 00:14:32,881 Speaker 3: really want this real bad and I've learned that, you know, 324 00:14:32,921 --> 00:14:34,841 Speaker 3: if you want something more than you want to breathe, 325 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:36,681 Speaker 3: You're going to achieve it, you know. And I was 326 00:14:36,721 --> 00:14:39,441 Speaker 3: so sick and the guy that so I was an 327 00:14:39,441 --> 00:14:42,761 Speaker 3: Australian B team. I was never the A player to 328 00:14:42,881 --> 00:14:45,041 Speaker 3: represent Australia in the Big Games. I was the B 329 00:14:45,161 --> 00:14:47,041 Speaker 3: player because I lost at the Australian titles to an 330 00:14:47,041 --> 00:14:49,001 Speaker 3: old or more developed fighter. He was twenty eight years 331 00:14:49,001 --> 00:14:50,641 Speaker 3: of age. I was just the kid, you know, eighteen 332 00:14:50,721 --> 00:14:53,201 Speaker 3: or something, nineteen at the age at the time. Anyway, 333 00:14:53,321 --> 00:14:55,881 Speaker 3: So he got knocked out or beat by a guy 334 00:14:55,961 --> 00:14:58,961 Speaker 3: called remeal Abba but from New Zealand. I'm sick. I've 335 00:14:58,961 --> 00:15:01,241 Speaker 3: beat my guy from Fiji or wherever he was from. 336 00:15:01,481 --> 00:15:03,001 Speaker 3: And I was fighting the guy that beat the guy 337 00:15:03,081 --> 00:15:06,161 Speaker 3: that beat me, you know, and I was like, I'm 338 00:15:06,201 --> 00:15:07,761 Speaker 3: so sick. You know what am I gonna do? And 339 00:15:07,801 --> 00:15:10,041 Speaker 3: she said, Love, you know how much you want this? 340 00:15:10,161 --> 00:15:12,041 Speaker 3: And you know it's got to be now. You know, 341 00:15:12,241 --> 00:15:14,041 Speaker 3: this is your trying to make the change because you're 342 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:15,601 Speaker 3: gonna have to dig with him within. You're gonna have 343 00:15:15,601 --> 00:15:17,841 Speaker 3: to dig deep within yourself. Son, You're gonna have to 344 00:15:17,841 --> 00:15:20,801 Speaker 3: dig within yourself. And I said, okay, I'm okay, I 345 00:15:20,841 --> 00:15:23,321 Speaker 3: know I really want this, you know, man, I fucking 346 00:15:23,361 --> 00:15:25,241 Speaker 3: dig deep. And I knocked that fucker out, you know, 347 00:15:25,601 --> 00:15:27,401 Speaker 3: I fought him and I knocked him out. Like I 348 00:15:27,481 --> 00:15:30,281 Speaker 3: just looked down at my family. All my family were there, 349 00:15:30,361 --> 00:15:32,761 Speaker 3: like all the Greek side of my family all there. 350 00:15:32,801 --> 00:15:32,961 Speaker 1: Man. 351 00:15:33,041 --> 00:15:37,481 Speaker 3: I was like the Olympics, I'm gold to the Olympics, 352 00:15:37,521 --> 00:15:41,481 Speaker 3: you know, and like and the confidence that gives a 353 00:15:41,521 --> 00:15:43,681 Speaker 3: young guy like the age of nineteen and I've got 354 00:15:43,721 --> 00:15:45,961 Speaker 3: to the Olympics and I won the first round of competition. 355 00:15:46,041 --> 00:15:48,241 Speaker 3: It's like You're put up in front of the world 356 00:15:48,241 --> 00:15:52,841 Speaker 3: as this great icon, you know. And that helped me 357 00:15:52,881 --> 00:15:56,841 Speaker 3: build a lot of confidence in my life. And yeah, yeah, 358 00:15:56,881 --> 00:15:58,681 Speaker 3: it was one of the best moments. I remember being 359 00:15:58,721 --> 00:16:00,521 Speaker 3: at the opening ceremony with it like one of them 360 00:16:00,601 --> 00:16:05,841 Speaker 3: VCR little cameras put the camera myself on. Happiest moment 361 00:16:05,881 --> 00:16:10,561 Speaker 3: of my life, you know, like you know, the superstars 362 00:16:10,601 --> 00:16:12,921 Speaker 3: around me. Back then we had thorp on it was big. 363 00:16:13,761 --> 00:16:16,001 Speaker 1: Is that when you decided to turn pro after that? 364 00:16:16,081 --> 00:16:18,921 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did. I decided to turn pro. Yeah 365 00:16:18,961 --> 00:16:21,601 Speaker 3: I did. I turned pro and and I won the 366 00:16:21,641 --> 00:16:24,401 Speaker 3: state title. For my first fight, I won the Australian title. 367 00:16:24,441 --> 00:16:25,841 Speaker 3: Back then, I used to fight twelve rounds for the 368 00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:26,681 Speaker 3: Australian title. 369 00:16:26,761 --> 00:16:28,161 Speaker 1: That was against Danny Wilson. 370 00:16:28,241 --> 00:16:30,681 Speaker 3: Yeah, Danny Wilson was the first fight. Yees yep, and 371 00:16:30,721 --> 00:16:32,521 Speaker 3: I knocked him out to take the title off him. 372 00:16:32,601 --> 00:16:34,881 Speaker 3: And then I thought James Swan for the for the 373 00:16:34,921 --> 00:16:38,201 Speaker 3: Australian title as well. That was twelve rounds, big, big 374 00:16:38,241 --> 00:16:40,361 Speaker 3: fight because he beat me in the amateurs, this guy 375 00:16:41,441 --> 00:16:44,961 Speaker 3: and that was another confidence pro being. 376 00:16:44,801 --> 00:16:47,161 Speaker 2: Amateur for you know, so long for what you did, 377 00:16:47,481 --> 00:16:49,721 Speaker 2: did you did you feel it was a lot hard 378 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:51,321 Speaker 2: or quicker and all like that. 379 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:53,161 Speaker 1: Was different, totally different in the ring. 380 00:16:54,161 --> 00:16:56,241 Speaker 3: It is that there are two different sports. Like the 381 00:16:56,281 --> 00:16:59,681 Speaker 3: professional fight game is the hurt business. You know, like 382 00:16:59,841 --> 00:17:01,201 Speaker 3: in there with a very good and you've got the 383 00:17:01,241 --> 00:17:03,281 Speaker 3: thin gloves that we used that used to use the 384 00:17:03,281 --> 00:17:05,441 Speaker 3: horsehair clearo rays where you can pull the horse set 385 00:17:05,521 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: back and you just got the pluss on your hands. 386 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,841 Speaker 3: It's more of a thud, you know. I remember interviewing 387 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,081 Speaker 3: back Rulings a little while ago. She's like a band 388 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,681 Speaker 3: knuckle fight up back Rollings, And I was like, because 389 00:17:13,721 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: I did a bit of work with seven plus and 390 00:17:16,281 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: and and asking her some questions and I wanted to know, 391 00:17:18,481 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: and she said, like, you know, like that, you know, 392 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:22,801 Speaker 3: the bare knuckle fighting. You know, it hurts more with 393 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: the gloves. You know, with the gloves, it's just more 394 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: of a sting with the knuckles, but hurt's small with 395 00:17:27,001 --> 00:17:29,521 Speaker 3: a you know, with the gloves on it. And it's 396 00:17:30,201 --> 00:17:32,041 Speaker 3: in there you can put really put the fear of 397 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,921 Speaker 3: life into a fighter. When you fight them, when you've 398 00:17:33,921 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: got those gloves on, you can really and that that 399 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,761 Speaker 3: worked in my favor. One thing I learned with you 400 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,761 Speaker 3: got to be patient. You've got to be relaxed and 401 00:17:40,801 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: be calm under pressure. Yeah, you got to strike when 402 00:17:42,761 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 3: the iron's hot. You have to act when at times 403 00:17:44,961 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: right you do, but there's a lot to be said 404 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: and acting at the right time. And because you've got 405 00:17:51,201 --> 00:17:53,441 Speaker 3: three minutes just not just back then it was only 406 00:17:53,481 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: two minute rounds with the amateurs, but these were, you know, 407 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: with three minute rounds, and you know, as a professional 408 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: owned to just take my time, take my time, and 409 00:18:02,001 --> 00:18:03,281 Speaker 3: when you had to put the foot down, just put 410 00:18:03,281 --> 00:18:04,081 Speaker 3: the foot down and go. 411 00:18:04,281 --> 00:18:06,281 Speaker 1: You didn't feel like he wants to do an Olympics 412 00:18:06,321 --> 00:18:09,241 Speaker 1: after this, like yeah, just to go to pro. 413 00:18:09,761 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: No. No, I was meant to be a pro. I 414 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,641 Speaker 3: was meant to be a pro. And I think, as 415 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: you can see right now, like we we are, we 416 00:18:15,801 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: are still behind in the level of boxing that we 417 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,081 Speaker 3: need to be. I'll tell you something that I had 418 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 3: a conversation with one of the head Cuban coaches and 419 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,121 Speaker 3: and and I said, what do we need to do 420 00:18:28,801 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: as Aussie's to be better fighters, you know, and he 421 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: couldn't speak very good English and he didn't want to 422 00:18:33,201 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: give us an insult, but he goes, he goes Ozzie 423 00:18:35,521 --> 00:18:41,521 Speaker 3: goes tough like this to compliment, right, but he went, oh, 424 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: you know, goes Russia, Cuba, Germany goes smart listening play 425 00:18:47,481 --> 00:18:53,681 Speaker 3: play play, he goes Ousi, Rassia, Cuba. Play. And that's 426 00:18:53,721 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 3: exactly how they do it, you know, like like you 427 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,321 Speaker 3: can see a lot of these guys when they're going 428 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: out there to fight. They're like they've got the whole 429 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: country behind them, you know, and they're like they can't 430 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: help get that, you know, get that drive, you know, 431 00:19:04,241 --> 00:19:06,321 Speaker 3: which is a beautiful thing, but you know when you 432 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: put that in motion, emotion takes away power, takes away energy. 433 00:19:10,441 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: You know. It's good to have, but you need to 434 00:19:11,681 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: have that focus and that drive. 435 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: And so after after the Dunny Wilson one, Yep, you 436 00:19:16,921 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: won the Australian as you said to Australian title, yep, 437 00:19:19,441 --> 00:19:24,241 Speaker 1: the WBO Asian Pacific Yes, and the IBS Pan Spacific Yes, yes, Yes. 438 00:19:24,281 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: What was the film when. 439 00:19:25,001 --> 00:19:28,761 Speaker 3: You want all the unbelievable unbelievable did you have it 440 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: in your mind? This is what yeah, yeah, yeah, but 441 00:19:30,721 --> 00:19:33,241 Speaker 3: it was never enough. It was never enough. No no, no, 442 00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: no no. It wasn't until I won the world title, 443 00:19:35,681 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: until I was walking on the boulevard twenty three twenty 444 00:19:38,921 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: three wins with twenty one knockouts, thinking how great is 445 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: this on the million dollar paydays and like how you 446 00:19:44,441 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: know this is great? You know, like the world's at 447 00:19:46,281 --> 00:19:48,041 Speaker 3: your feet. Then you know, and then you sort of 448 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,001 Speaker 3: and then you're loft. You're left thinking to yourself, you 449 00:19:51,041 --> 00:19:52,921 Speaker 3: know what next? You know what next? 450 00:19:52,961 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: You know? 451 00:19:53,201 --> 00:19:55,601 Speaker 3: Then you lose your brother and it's just like your will, 452 00:19:55,801 --> 00:19:59,801 Speaker 3: just like you just ah yeah, but you know your fight. 453 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,001 Speaker 3: So I kept fighting instead of coming back home and 454 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,561 Speaker 3: dealing with the trauma. I just I had to keep 455 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,041 Speaker 3: on fighting and going for the bigger cash, bigger cash. 456 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,521 Speaker 3: And then my clarity wasn't there. You know, I'm just 457 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,001 Speaker 3: masking my pain consistently. 458 00:20:13,041 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: And I think if you came back, it would have 459 00:20:15,201 --> 00:20:16,281 Speaker 1: made your trauma worse. 460 00:20:16,721 --> 00:20:19,561 Speaker 3: Could Yeah, I could have been dead by now. I 461 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,121 Speaker 3: could have been dead. I could have you know, ultimately, 462 00:20:22,281 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: more money, more money made even more foolish mistakes. You know, 463 00:20:24,921 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: this feeling of inconvincibility that you have, you know, like 464 00:20:27,761 --> 00:20:29,921 Speaker 3: when you just keep masking the pain, Like I made 465 00:20:30,001 --> 00:20:32,761 Speaker 3: some really stupid decisions. And look, I'll be honest, I'm 466 00:20:32,761 --> 00:20:35,801 Speaker 3: starting again in life. But I'm not doing nothing. I'm 467 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,201 Speaker 3: like I'm doing a lot. I'm doing everything I can. 468 00:20:38,281 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: You know, I've got the you know, I've got the 469 00:20:39,961 --> 00:20:43,041 Speaker 3: great blueprint. You know, I've got the bullet the bulletproof mindset. 470 00:20:43,481 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 3: This is the stuff that I'm doing all via my Instagram. 471 00:20:45,441 --> 00:20:47,801 Speaker 3: I'm reaching out. I've been very active. I'm instagram lately. 472 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,561 Speaker 3: You know, I'm grabbing this world with two hands. I've 473 00:20:49,561 --> 00:20:51,521 Speaker 3: got a floring company that I'm involved with. You know, 474 00:20:51,561 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: I work every given opportunity that I can. You know, 475 00:20:54,761 --> 00:20:57,201 Speaker 3: I work for you know, we're raising houses as well, 476 00:20:57,281 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: you know, with a couple of mates I went to 477 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,081 Speaker 3: school with me, Colin and David Marshall. Like they've been 478 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,001 Speaker 3: so great. Like there's some good people out there in 479 00:21:04,041 --> 00:21:07,721 Speaker 3: this world. And instead of like you know, the underworld, 480 00:21:07,801 --> 00:21:10,561 Speaker 3: like instead of like you know the guys from where where, 481 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: like you know where, I'm responsible. I'm the one for 482 00:21:14,321 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: my actions, and I'm responsible for who I choose or 483 00:21:17,201 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: what I choose to do. People people just generally they 484 00:21:19,961 --> 00:21:23,281 Speaker 3: do want to help, whether their intentions are either which way. 485 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: I think people do really just want to help. But 486 00:21:25,801 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: ultimately it's me that makes the decisions. And you know, 487 00:21:28,201 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: like now I'm just I just surround myself with positive 488 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: people that are helping me in my career and if 489 00:21:35,321 --> 00:21:37,241 Speaker 3: I can help them, like we work like Colin and 490 00:21:37,321 --> 00:21:39,281 Speaker 3: David with O stuff, Like I work with them guys, 491 00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: and you know, it's such a great thing, and I 492 00:21:40,721 --> 00:21:43,241 Speaker 3: know they still support me to come down here and 493 00:21:43,321 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: do podcasts and and to catch up with like Johnny Lewis, 494 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: and like I spent like two hours with George cam 495 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,281 Speaker 3: Bosas today and another two hours with him like a 496 00:21:51,281 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 3: couple of days ago. It's like it's mad. And you know, 497 00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to Melbourne soon, like you It's just all 498 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 3: these things have always been my fingertips. And then you know, 499 00:21:59,441 --> 00:22:02,201 Speaker 3: Baron Michaels and you know, like I'm on the phone 500 00:22:02,201 --> 00:22:05,001 Speaker 3: with Brandon Smith almost every day, even my very first 501 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,281 Speaker 3: training to make beetrus back in. T of these names 502 00:22:07,281 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: that you might not even know, but these people are 503 00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: really important to me, you know, And I'm very fortunate 504 00:22:12,001 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: to have the memory and have the life that I 505 00:22:13,521 --> 00:22:15,121 Speaker 3: have and the experience that I have and I can 506 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,801 Speaker 3: pass on a lot to a lot of other people. 507 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: You want to be, you would want to be a 508 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: trainer yourself. I am a trainer, but like have someone 509 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,641 Speaker 2: like maybe I'll go in the Olympics and ah, yeah, 510 00:22:25,801 --> 00:22:27,281 Speaker 2: the Australian trainer for the box. 511 00:22:27,481 --> 00:22:30,161 Speaker 3: I'm working on it. So at the moment, on my 512 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,401 Speaker 3: offering my services online so so I can just get 513 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,441 Speaker 3: my network out wide to the world. So I've got 514 00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:40,241 Speaker 3: I've got a partner with Marty Cornish. He's my brand manager, 515 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: so he's unpacked all my knowledge for my brain so 516 00:22:42,721 --> 00:22:45,481 Speaker 3: I can pass on a lot of my knowledge to people. 517 00:22:45,521 --> 00:22:48,321 Speaker 3: So we're doing all recording next week so we get 518 00:22:48,321 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: these modules together and deliver what we say we're going 519 00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:52,961 Speaker 3: to deliver to people. And I really want to help 520 00:22:53,001 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 3: people with what they're doing and achieve their very best. 521 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,281 Speaker 3: But I do have my own a couple of guys. 522 00:22:59,281 --> 00:23:01,921 Speaker 3: I spoke to a young Greek guy today in Melbourne. 523 00:23:02,681 --> 00:23:04,801 Speaker 3: I've been watching him for a while. And there's another 524 00:23:04,801 --> 00:23:08,321 Speaker 3: friend of mine, very very he's super freak and I'm 525 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: telling you when he comes out, it's going to be 526 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,321 Speaker 3: Australia's next Mike Tyson. You know, this guy's name is 527 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,201 Speaker 3: Tyrek Swan and mate, this guy when when the time's right, 528 00:23:18,041 --> 00:23:20,921 Speaker 3: I'll release him. I release him. But when it's just 529 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,121 Speaker 3: you know, he's just waiting. But when the time's white, 530 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,641 Speaker 3: I released him because I know when when Michael kat 531 00:23:25,681 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 3: said this has a fighter good and ready, I know 532 00:23:27,921 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: that everyone's when they know that they're going to be 533 00:23:29,961 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: in for a fight. But this guy is going to 534 00:23:31,241 --> 00:23:32,721 Speaker 3: be a recom machine when he comes out. And so 535 00:23:32,801 --> 00:23:34,241 Speaker 3: when the time's right, I'll release him. 536 00:23:34,521 --> 00:23:36,521 Speaker 2: When you won these titles, we'll go back to when 537 00:23:36,521 --> 00:23:39,001 Speaker 2: you want the WBO and the IBF and like that. Yep, 538 00:23:39,441 --> 00:23:42,441 Speaker 2: as he said, you know, like you were found guilty 539 00:23:42,441 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: for an assault charge. 540 00:23:43,521 --> 00:23:46,481 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Now do you. 541 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: Think that this from this point there you were starting 542 00:23:49,441 --> 00:23:51,121 Speaker 2: to spiral or do you think that was just out 543 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: of character? 544 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: I think Look, I was headed, young, young kid, you know, 545 00:23:56,721 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: I was very hot headed. And some guy at some 546 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: puble sleep with my mates missus, and he was the 547 00:24:01,761 --> 00:24:03,601 Speaker 3: manager of the bar. And you can't just walk into 548 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: a bar and knock out the manager. You know, you 549 00:24:05,441 --> 00:24:07,641 Speaker 3: can't do that and just say they take them, eat 550 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,281 Speaker 3: them biscuits and like them apples, mate and just take off. 551 00:24:11,281 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that, you know, you can't, you know. 552 00:24:13,441 --> 00:24:15,281 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I had an ego on me, 553 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,521 Speaker 3: you know, and you know there's like a lot of 554 00:24:17,521 --> 00:24:18,961 Speaker 3: people do. But like you believe people. 555 00:24:19,041 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: Do you think people use you because of who you are? 556 00:24:22,281 --> 00:24:24,721 Speaker 3: One percent? Yeah? 557 00:24:24,801 --> 00:24:25,961 Speaker 1: Listen, can you short this up for me? 558 00:24:26,441 --> 00:24:26,761 Speaker 2: Yeah? 559 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like I knew too though, Like you know, 560 00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:32,241 Speaker 3: I can't blame anyone else. I think that's on me too, 561 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: Like I to own my own actions, and you know, 562 00:24:34,521 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: and that's another mistake I found with a lot of 563 00:24:36,201 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 3: people that have been found guilty of their crimes and 564 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: that they don't want to have accountability. I was, you know, 565 00:24:41,041 --> 00:24:43,761 Speaker 3: I was, I was fault, you know, and perhaps if 566 00:24:43,801 --> 00:24:46,161 Speaker 3: I put my hand up eli and say yes, I'm guilty, 567 00:24:46,481 --> 00:24:48,201 Speaker 3: then then you know, I wouldn't have went to jail. 568 00:24:48,281 --> 00:24:50,881 Speaker 3: But I went to jail then. But I was just like, 569 00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:52,761 Speaker 3: I don't know how many people do this. But like 570 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,721 Speaker 3: the both times I've been in jail, I've sat down, 571 00:24:54,761 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: I said to myself, how fucking great is this? You know, 572 00:24:57,801 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 3: I have gratitude. I'm so thankful because I know that 573 00:25:00,441 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to come out at the other end. I 574 00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 3: just know. I just know, no matter what it is, 575 00:25:04,481 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to come out at the other end. And 576 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,041 Speaker 3: just as I did with my boxing, this time, I 577 00:25:08,201 --> 00:25:11,321 Speaker 3: just sat in that cell for two years thinking about 578 00:25:11,321 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: what I'm going to do. How what am I going 579 00:25:13,201 --> 00:25:14,281 Speaker 3: to do when I get out? Yes, And I'm going 580 00:25:14,321 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: to help other people, Yes I am. Am. I going 581 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: to use this experience to help and better myself and 582 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: better other people. Yes I am. You know, Am I 583 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,521 Speaker 3: going to make money? Yes? Am I going to be 584 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: a good family man? Yes I am. I'm going to 585 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,721 Speaker 3: keep on building building, building, building, and these things will 586 00:25:25,721 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: take time and as part of my purpose, part of 587 00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: my mission now. But no, no, no, no, no, So 588 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,001 Speaker 3: it's just I think sobriety has been everything for me. 589 00:25:37,721 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: It's made a big change, you know, like two and 590 00:25:39,721 --> 00:25:43,001 Speaker 3: a half years, you know, I refuse to go into addiction, 591 00:25:44,321 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: you know, and I just whereas like it used to be, 592 00:25:46,761 --> 00:25:50,401 Speaker 3: like I could, I could people's actions and their behaviors 593 00:25:50,561 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: was normal for me for people to be like that, 594 00:25:52,281 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: But now I so well, you know, I'm not happy 595 00:25:54,681 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: with that. You know, you don't seek comfortable with some 596 00:25:57,241 --> 00:25:59,161 Speaker 3: behaviors of certain people and you just know to walk 597 00:25:59,201 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: the other direction. 598 00:26:00,041 --> 00:26:02,001 Speaker 1: But did you think it affected you going to jail 599 00:26:02,001 --> 00:26:04,881 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, It affects you a lot. 600 00:26:06,561 --> 00:26:08,601 Speaker 3: None to give shit, No, no, no, no, it's not 601 00:26:08,961 --> 00:26:13,201 Speaker 3: give a shit. I remember writing letters word for word 602 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,321 Speaker 3: on postcards to America to Robbie Peden in America, and 603 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: he tells me to this day he never received it. 604 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 3: Bro I knew he how Florida and address in Florida. 605 00:26:21,801 --> 00:26:23,761 Speaker 3: I was talking on the phone to Brendan Smith every 606 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,321 Speaker 3: day and Mick be trust and I got Robbie Peten's 607 00:26:26,321 --> 00:26:29,161 Speaker 3: address in Florida, and I sent a postcard like international mail, 608 00:26:29,201 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: and I fit same in little words on that little postcard, 609 00:26:33,041 --> 00:26:36,001 Speaker 3: like I just wanted to emulate his career, and I did. 610 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,761 Speaker 3: I wanted to emulate Rocky Rocky from the movie and 611 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,001 Speaker 3: like from the first guy's hands. I shook when I 612 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:45,921 Speaker 3: landed in America, I say, at the Roosevelt Hotel, walked 613 00:26:45,921 --> 00:26:49,401 Speaker 3: out there was it was a Rocky five premiere. Sylvester 614 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,681 Speaker 3: salone walked out, shook the hands, and I shook his hand. 615 00:26:52,201 --> 00:26:54,201 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it was like that was I wanted 616 00:26:54,201 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 3: to say to me. I was rocky. They called me rocky, 617 00:26:57,201 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: you know, I was you you know, and you know 618 00:26:59,921 --> 00:27:02,281 Speaker 3: I wanted to emulate Robbie Pet's career and I did 619 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: just that. He went over he thought Mark Antonio Berrera, 620 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: and I would always checking with Pete and always checking 621 00:27:07,481 --> 00:27:09,561 Speaker 3: with Peene even now, checking with Pete, and you know, 622 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: and you know, he would say to me, you know, 623 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: like you know, make mixed day overseas day overseason. All 624 00:27:13,921 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: your bills will be paid over season. I kept doing that, 625 00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:19,001 Speaker 3: and you know, I went leaping dound, just taking the 626 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: right advice from the right people. And you know, obviously 627 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:24,201 Speaker 3: I had to learn the lesson the hard way. And 628 00:27:24,321 --> 00:27:26,281 Speaker 3: now it's my it's my job. I feel it's my 629 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,841 Speaker 3: mission to empower others. And so so you know, these 630 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: young people coming up in the world, they look, look, 631 00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: am I going to go this way? And am I 632 00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: going to go that way? You know, like I can 633 00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:36,001 Speaker 3: tell them straight now, jail is a fucked place. It's 634 00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: a fucked place. You know. There's you know, the thing, 635 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 3: you know, you know, with your kids and your family 636 00:27:40,441 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 3: and your parents, you love by people, and there's people 637 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,481 Speaker 3: that love you and your friends want you. You know, 638 00:27:44,521 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: it's a ship place to be. 639 00:27:45,921 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about the feeling when you got that 640 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:52,441 Speaker 2: chance to fight Gray Mill. Yeah, like when you were 641 00:27:52,481 --> 00:27:56,441 Speaker 2: given that opportunity, yeah, to change for that title. Yeah, 642 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: besides what happened to your brother. I got up with 643 00:27:59,681 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: the talk a lot away from it. But when you 644 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,721 Speaker 2: were given that chance, the adrenaline and you must have 645 00:28:04,761 --> 00:28:05,881 Speaker 2: been I can going. 646 00:28:05,921 --> 00:28:09,761 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was. I was. I was given 647 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,801 Speaker 3: like an opportunity of a lifetime and this was my chance. 648 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,161 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you something, like I prepared so hard 649 00:28:16,201 --> 00:28:18,961 Speaker 3: for that fight, Like we went to the Gleason's gym 650 00:28:19,041 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: in New York, Brooklyn and we'll train them with all 651 00:28:22,921 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: the heavies down there like that. There's so many lightweights 652 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: and there's so many fighters, and it was like it 653 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: was on and you know, I got myself the opportunity 654 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: to Brendan line me up with a with a with 655 00:28:34,761 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: a spa against like, you know, the big guy the 656 00:28:37,721 --> 00:28:39,161 Speaker 3: of the gym. You know, he was like knock at 657 00:28:39,161 --> 00:28:42,041 Speaker 3: this Polish guy. He was knocking everyone out. And Brendan's 658 00:28:42,041 --> 00:28:44,441 Speaker 3: gone up to the trainer and he said basically he said, 659 00:28:44,721 --> 00:28:47,081 Speaker 3: hey mate, you know we're from Australia. You know I've 660 00:28:47,081 --> 00:28:49,001 Speaker 3: been training for a while. Wonder if you can spam 661 00:28:49,041 --> 00:28:51,361 Speaker 3: with your boy, you know, And he goes, you want 662 00:28:51,361 --> 00:28:53,681 Speaker 3: to spy my boy, he goes. He goes, we'll see 663 00:28:53,681 --> 00:28:55,801 Speaker 3: how you We'll see how you go. After two rounds, 664 00:28:55,881 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: you know, goes, we need six rounds. He goes, we'll 665 00:28:58,761 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: see what you said. We'll do six pill see you 666 00:29:00,441 --> 00:29:04,241 Speaker 3: feel after two? You know, the big days come. It's Wednesday, 667 00:29:04,641 --> 00:29:07,121 Speaker 3: and I fucking wrecked this bloke, you know, I destroyed 668 00:29:07,201 --> 00:29:08,641 Speaker 3: him and because I knew that that was the guy 669 00:29:09,121 --> 00:29:10,561 Speaker 3: that was just like the guy I was going to 670 00:29:10,601 --> 00:29:12,521 Speaker 3: be fighting, you know, and and and that was the 671 00:29:12,601 --> 00:29:14,081 Speaker 3: kill that I needed. It's like when you have a 672 00:29:14,081 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: greyhound and and you blooding them before the before their races, 673 00:29:17,601 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, they have to give him a kill. That 674 00:29:19,561 --> 00:29:21,681 Speaker 3: was my kill. And I wrecked him, mate, I wrecked him, 675 00:29:21,721 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: and that was that built my confidence up. And I 676 00:29:24,041 --> 00:29:27,801 Speaker 3: just remember being so hungry, so so I had the 677 00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:30,481 Speaker 3: will like I will like no other. Was my world 678 00:29:30,521 --> 00:29:32,601 Speaker 3: title fight. And I remember they was sending hook us 679 00:29:32,641 --> 00:29:34,921 Speaker 3: up to the hook us up to the hotel room, 680 00:29:34,961 --> 00:29:38,001 Speaker 3: knocking on the door. Fuck off, you don't think I 681 00:29:38,081 --> 00:29:41,041 Speaker 3: don't know about it? Literally and and I remember it 682 00:29:41,121 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: was like one o'clock in the morning or something like that, 683 00:29:43,001 --> 00:29:45,401 Speaker 3: and I was just having to say, and you know, 684 00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:49,521 Speaker 3: the alarms for the fire off the Yeah, bullship, mate, 685 00:29:49,641 --> 00:29:53,801 Speaker 3: So I said to myself there and then like like literally, 686 00:29:54,161 --> 00:29:57,921 Speaker 3: if I'd rather die and then have a bad sleep 687 00:29:57,961 --> 00:30:00,081 Speaker 3: and lose this title fight the next day. But like, 688 00:30:00,121 --> 00:30:01,801 Speaker 3: you know, like really I knew myself, like if the 689 00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:03,601 Speaker 3: ship really went down, I just like get some bed 690 00:30:03,681 --> 00:30:06,881 Speaker 3: drapes and you know, climbed down the side. But I 691 00:30:06,921 --> 00:30:09,121 Speaker 3: just went back to sleep, mate, and it was all bullshit, 692 00:30:09,281 --> 00:30:11,761 Speaker 3: you know, the hookahs, the thing was all bullshit structure. 693 00:30:11,801 --> 00:30:13,801 Speaker 3: I didn't care. Yeah, yeah, I didn't care. That was 694 00:30:13,841 --> 00:30:15,521 Speaker 3: back in the Frank one. Frank, I know you might 695 00:30:15,601 --> 00:30:19,881 Speaker 3: be listening. Yeah, yeah, you know, but Eddie hearns Eddie 696 00:30:19,921 --> 00:30:22,921 Speaker 3: Hearn's a professional mate and to have a bit of 697 00:30:22,921 --> 00:30:26,241 Speaker 3: a rivalry, you know, yeah, yeah, what do they feel 698 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,481 Speaker 3: like when you're walking up to the ring? Imagine this, right, 699 00:30:30,561 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: So there's no lies in the ring, no lives, right, 700 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: So when you are walking out to fight, anything that 701 00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:38,281 Speaker 3: you missed in training that you didn't do, guarantee you 702 00:30:38,521 --> 00:30:40,601 Speaker 3: that's going to make you nervous. As fuck when you're 703 00:30:40,601 --> 00:30:42,961 Speaker 3: walking out there, when you haven't prepared properly for a fight, 704 00:30:43,321 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: and you're walking out there and your your talent's going 705 00:30:45,481 --> 00:30:47,161 Speaker 3: to be put on show against another man. There's no 706 00:30:47,161 --> 00:30:49,201 Speaker 3: one else need as you and that other man, and 707 00:30:49,241 --> 00:30:51,681 Speaker 3: you've got millions of views all over the world and 708 00:30:52,001 --> 00:30:54,681 Speaker 3: tens of thousands in attendance, and you're walking out there. 709 00:30:54,721 --> 00:30:58,761 Speaker 3: There's no worse feeling than knowing that you haven't prepared properly. 710 00:30:59,521 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: But there's a flip side that too, if you have 711 00:31:01,641 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: prepared properly, if you have done everything over and beyond. 712 00:31:04,441 --> 00:31:07,281 Speaker 3: I mean that feeling that you get when your lungs 713 00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: and your auctions just run through your body and the 714 00:31:09,481 --> 00:31:11,601 Speaker 3: adrenaline is pumping you know you've done everything. Yeah, you'll 715 00:31:11,641 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: be nervous, like I want to show them. I'm going 716 00:31:14,041 --> 00:31:15,681 Speaker 3: to show I'm going to show what I've gotten here, 717 00:31:15,681 --> 00:31:16,841 Speaker 3: you know, and you get out there and you just 718 00:31:16,961 --> 00:31:20,561 Speaker 3: wipe this guy, and then to get that Titler's World Champion, 719 00:31:20,601 --> 00:31:22,361 Speaker 3: to have one of these belts like I bought into 720 00:31:22,361 --> 00:31:25,761 Speaker 3: you today to show you is there's no better feeling, mate, 721 00:31:25,761 --> 00:31:27,921 Speaker 3: There's no better feeling. It's just like even just to 722 00:31:27,961 --> 00:31:29,881 Speaker 3: think about it, how it just makes me just feel 723 00:31:29,961 --> 00:31:31,921 Speaker 3: pumped and alive and good. 724 00:31:32,241 --> 00:31:34,041 Speaker 1: If you ever got nervous for a fake. 725 00:31:34,081 --> 00:31:37,681 Speaker 3: Of course every fight. Yeah yeah, if you don't have nerses, 726 00:31:37,721 --> 00:31:39,521 Speaker 3: there's something wrong. But what you learn to do is 727 00:31:39,561 --> 00:31:42,161 Speaker 3: you learn to turn those norse around you twist them 728 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,161 Speaker 3: into positives and you and you and you, you know, 729 00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:47,041 Speaker 3: and that comes with experience and time, you know, over 730 00:31:47,041 --> 00:31:49,161 Speaker 3: the years, like you would have had it like with 731 00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:50,801 Speaker 3: some of the gigs that you did, right. 732 00:31:51,041 --> 00:31:54,081 Speaker 2: But mine was more adrenaline Like, yeah, I meant that 733 00:31:54,201 --> 00:31:57,641 Speaker 2: like it's funny. Sometimes I went to where wanting a fight. 734 00:31:57,801 --> 00:32:00,281 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, I wanted to want 735 00:32:00,321 --> 00:32:05,281 Speaker 2: to someone. Yeah, feeling, I admit that it is. Yeah, 736 00:32:05,441 --> 00:32:08,721 Speaker 2: I just wanted to see, like, you know, do boxes hided? 737 00:32:09,161 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: Is there is there a fear that like you're you're thinking, like, 738 00:32:13,401 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: of course you don't want to get knocked out, but 739 00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:17,641 Speaker 2: you know, everyone gets nervous. I get that, But is 740 00:32:17,641 --> 00:32:19,121 Speaker 2: there a feeling when you go on that ring it's 741 00:32:19,161 --> 00:32:23,281 Speaker 2: like do the nerves hit you automatically or it's just 742 00:32:23,281 --> 00:32:24,281 Speaker 2: just playing with your head? 743 00:32:24,441 --> 00:32:27,841 Speaker 3: Yeah? I used I like to use like analogies kind 744 00:32:27,841 --> 00:32:30,081 Speaker 3: of things, So like when you because you've were want 745 00:32:30,121 --> 00:32:32,761 Speaker 3: of Jo Abraham's guys, right, so you were in some 746 00:32:32,801 --> 00:32:36,161 Speaker 3: pretty heavy situations sometimes. And there's times where I bet 747 00:32:36,161 --> 00:32:38,401 Speaker 3: you might although you might have not knew that you 748 00:32:38,401 --> 00:32:40,921 Speaker 3: were fucked, like you're in a real ship spot. And 749 00:32:40,961 --> 00:32:43,441 Speaker 3: there's times when you've done your reconnaissance when you knew 750 00:32:43,441 --> 00:32:45,201 Speaker 3: what you were walking in for and you knew exactly 751 00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: what you had to do. But sometimes you holy fuck, 752 00:32:47,841 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: you know, like you know, there's there's difference times and 753 00:32:50,561 --> 00:32:52,041 Speaker 3: you know you weren't able to prepare for this, or 754 00:32:52,081 --> 00:32:53,801 Speaker 3: you're thrown into the deep end too quick and you 755 00:32:53,801 --> 00:32:56,161 Speaker 3: weren't ready. It's it's that same sort of feeling and 756 00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:58,121 Speaker 3: you know how you know, how how you get smoked 757 00:32:58,121 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: out or you don't, you know, Like it's it's that 758 00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:02,601 Speaker 3: same sort of feeling, like except I might be preparing 759 00:33:02,641 --> 00:33:04,121 Speaker 3: for a fight and I get one and short, you know, 760 00:33:05,121 --> 00:33:07,081 Speaker 3: sort of like what do you call it, like when 761 00:33:07,121 --> 00:33:09,401 Speaker 3: you're in the off season, you know, and then and 762 00:33:09,441 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 3: then not actually preparing for a fight, and then you 763 00:33:11,201 --> 00:33:12,681 Speaker 3: get the phone call banging in and get half a 764 00:33:12,681 --> 00:33:14,801 Speaker 3: million dollars this guy in like two months time. So 765 00:33:14,841 --> 00:33:16,841 Speaker 3: you've got eight weeks to prepare, like, holy fuck, do 766 00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:18,281 Speaker 3: you get ready? You know, it's like you're getting a 767 00:33:18,321 --> 00:33:19,961 Speaker 3: quick phone call, get out of bed, we need you, 768 00:33:20,521 --> 00:33:23,081 Speaker 3: you know, like ship, fuck what am I dealing with you? 769 00:33:23,121 --> 00:33:24,601 Speaker 3: And you're like all of these questions got to ask, 770 00:33:24,721 --> 00:33:26,921 Speaker 3: no questions asked. You got to fucking get down there now, mate. 771 00:33:27,161 --> 00:33:30,401 Speaker 3: You know then you got that, well, you know, you 772 00:33:30,441 --> 00:33:32,001 Speaker 3: have to be sharp anyway. You can only do the 773 00:33:32,001 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: best is what you can do. You know, like you 774 00:33:34,761 --> 00:33:36,761 Speaker 3: can't do what you can do, and you know you've 775 00:33:36,761 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: got to be you got to be grateful and have 776 00:33:39,041 --> 00:33:41,961 Speaker 3: gratitude that you're in that position that you're you're that guy. 777 00:33:42,041 --> 00:33:43,161 Speaker 3: Then you can front after. 778 00:33:42,921 --> 00:33:45,641 Speaker 1: You like being prepared for a fight, and you thought 779 00:33:45,681 --> 00:33:46,881 Speaker 1: that you're not prepared enough. 780 00:33:47,001 --> 00:33:48,841 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I knew it. Like so I went. I 781 00:33:48,881 --> 00:33:51,801 Speaker 3: fought against Robert the Ghost Guerrero. I fucking knew that 782 00:33:51,841 --> 00:33:53,841 Speaker 3: I wasn't ready for that fight. Like my brother just 783 00:33:53,881 --> 00:33:58,001 Speaker 3: so he died before Marquez fight. And then it wasn't 784 00:33:58,001 --> 00:34:01,121 Speaker 3: even was it three? Three four months later? I thought, Guerrero. 785 00:34:01,401 --> 00:34:03,081 Speaker 3: I think it was a February when I thought, and 786 00:34:03,081 --> 00:34:05,801 Speaker 3: even less three months less three months? This in three months? 787 00:34:05,841 --> 00:34:07,281 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know I just took the money fight 788 00:34:07,721 --> 00:34:09,281 Speaker 3: wonder to fight the fight, and I got to split 789 00:34:09,321 --> 00:34:12,721 Speaker 3: from here to hear, and I had no sparring for 790 00:34:12,801 --> 00:34:15,001 Speaker 3: that fight. I got to split in it like the 791 00:34:15,001 --> 00:34:18,081 Speaker 3: first SPA that I had, and a guy just actually 792 00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:21,761 Speaker 3: caught me. Ryan Langham, your bastard and you've got yeah, 793 00:34:21,761 --> 00:34:23,881 Speaker 3: you caught me with this like ants clubs. You know, 794 00:34:23,921 --> 00:34:25,361 Speaker 3: it's the same thing we were like, but I just 795 00:34:25,401 --> 00:34:27,521 Speaker 3: moved the wrong time. It's got right beneath the head 796 00:34:27,521 --> 00:34:29,321 Speaker 3: guard had the full face headguard on and got me. 797 00:34:29,601 --> 00:34:32,881 Speaker 3: I had no sparring, so I knew that my ring 798 00:34:32,961 --> 00:34:35,561 Speaker 3: fitness wasn't going to be and my timing wasn't going 799 00:34:35,601 --> 00:34:38,081 Speaker 3: to be in like you have. You can't. You have 800 00:34:38,121 --> 00:34:39,961 Speaker 3: to have sparring. You have to have tim and timing 801 00:34:40,081 --> 00:34:43,041 Speaker 3: is everything. And I tell you now, like speed beats power, 802 00:34:43,121 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 3: power beats timing, but timing beats speed. So you need 803 00:34:46,521 --> 00:34:48,441 Speaker 3: to have all of these elements in there. So I 804 00:34:48,441 --> 00:34:51,001 Speaker 3: could just get the power up, I could do all 805 00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:53,041 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, but my timing was going to 806 00:34:53,081 --> 00:34:56,441 Speaker 3: be out and my consistency over twelve rounds, my timing 807 00:34:56,481 --> 00:34:57,921 Speaker 3: wasn't going to be in there. And I thought funking 808 00:34:57,961 --> 00:34:59,081 Speaker 3: away for me to get this guy. I was a 809 00:34:59,161 --> 00:35:01,401 Speaker 3: thrown off his gay plan, a game plan. So I 810 00:35:01,481 --> 00:35:03,881 Speaker 3: walked out of there, and you know, they've got moons 811 00:35:03,881 --> 00:35:07,321 Speaker 3: and Atnmans and Ryan there's a big, good, clean fight, 812 00:35:07,361 --> 00:35:08,881 Speaker 3: and you know when they face to face and I go, 813 00:35:09,281 --> 00:35:11,201 Speaker 3: what are you looking at? You know, like I just 814 00:35:11,241 --> 00:35:12,961 Speaker 3: threw it in his face, you know, and it's like 815 00:35:13,601 --> 00:35:15,401 Speaker 3: and I threw him off his game plan a bit, 816 00:35:15,441 --> 00:35:17,161 Speaker 3: you know, And that's the only hope that I got 817 00:35:17,201 --> 00:35:18,641 Speaker 3: because I knew it. And you know, and at some 818 00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:21,161 Speaker 3: point that fight, I've gone two to the body. He's 819 00:35:21,201 --> 00:35:22,681 Speaker 3: folled over, was winding him right, and I'm going to 820 00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:24,801 Speaker 3: chop two to the head. The referee stepped in and 821 00:35:24,841 --> 00:35:26,801 Speaker 3: it gave him five minutes to recover, like quarter a 822 00:35:26,841 --> 00:35:29,361 Speaker 3: low blow, like I was. That was my only chance 823 00:35:29,441 --> 00:35:31,201 Speaker 3: is to throw him off his game plans. But I knew, 824 00:35:31,361 --> 00:35:32,281 Speaker 3: I knew I was. 825 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:32,721 Speaker 1: You know. 826 00:35:33,201 --> 00:35:34,841 Speaker 3: It was a bit of feeling after that, you know, 827 00:35:34,881 --> 00:35:36,761 Speaker 3: like I got mass handed to me too. He out 828 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:39,641 Speaker 3: boxed me clearly for that vibe, and I survived it, 829 00:35:39,681 --> 00:35:42,281 Speaker 3: And yeah, I lost the next four list. There's to 830 00:35:42,561 --> 00:35:44,921 Speaker 3: four fights after my brother died, and I lost the 831 00:35:44,921 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: next four fights straight. It's just yeah, down. 832 00:35:47,601 --> 00:35:50,721 Speaker 1: Do you think that would fail, like contribute to you 833 00:35:50,841 --> 00:35:52,121 Speaker 1: not trying to deal with your trauma? 834 00:35:52,201 --> 00:35:52,441 Speaker 3: Would you? 835 00:35:52,481 --> 00:35:52,721 Speaker 1: Probably? 836 00:35:52,801 --> 00:35:55,201 Speaker 3: Hundred percent? Yeah, that that is. And you know it 837 00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:57,921 Speaker 3: wasn't until I spoke to you know, Dan Zelberg. He's 838 00:35:57,961 --> 00:36:00,681 Speaker 3: a very good trauma therapist, you know, and he said, look, 839 00:36:00,841 --> 00:36:03,361 Speaker 3: you gotta stop drinking, you gotta stop using drugs, you know, 840 00:36:03,401 --> 00:36:05,601 Speaker 3: like and then I said, oh, yeah, okay, you know 841 00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:07,801 Speaker 3: I didn't really I had to learn the hardway. And yelp, 842 00:36:07,921 --> 00:36:09,361 Speaker 3: that's just the truth of it. I had to learn 843 00:36:09,361 --> 00:36:12,161 Speaker 3: the hard way. Been there, done that now and I'm 844 00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:12,841 Speaker 3: at the other end. 845 00:36:13,401 --> 00:36:16,161 Speaker 1: What about the time when you spirals and it went 846 00:36:16,201 --> 00:36:19,321 Speaker 1: down to you were charged for possession of an ice plateer? Yeah? 847 00:36:19,401 --> 00:36:22,201 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just you know, you don't get your lowest 848 00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,161 Speaker 3: reckon you. Yeah, you know, if you if you if 849 00:36:24,161 --> 00:36:26,241 Speaker 3: you if you need to walk around with a utens 850 00:36:27,361 --> 00:36:29,641 Speaker 3: as you know, it's if you need to walk around 851 00:36:29,681 --> 00:36:32,681 Speaker 3: with one, you're doing a pretty tough hair. Like like, 852 00:36:32,801 --> 00:36:35,121 Speaker 3: if you can't go ten minutes, you know where you've 853 00:36:35,121 --> 00:36:38,041 Speaker 3: got to you've got to be getting high. Like that's messy, man, 854 00:36:38,161 --> 00:36:40,641 Speaker 3: Like it's really sad, and you know it's sad. And 855 00:36:40,801 --> 00:36:43,721 Speaker 3: I look back at that and like I have gratitude, 856 00:36:44,481 --> 00:36:49,041 Speaker 3: Like I don't have to walk around like my dirty 857 00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:50,761 Speaker 3: mits on things. You know, I've got my mitts all 858 00:36:50,761 --> 00:36:52,881 Speaker 3: over coke and I've got my mitts on ice, and 859 00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:54,801 Speaker 3: you know, I've got to be touching things I shouldn't. 860 00:36:54,801 --> 00:36:56,841 Speaker 3: I was hanging around people I shouldn't have been hanging around. 861 00:36:57,121 --> 00:36:59,001 Speaker 3: That's not their fault. It's my fault. It's not me. 862 00:36:59,081 --> 00:37:01,121 Speaker 3: You know, I'm the I'm the funck with I'm the 863 00:37:01,161 --> 00:37:02,441 Speaker 3: person that made Do you. 864 00:37:02,441 --> 00:37:04,521 Speaker 1: Think that's because you didn't call out for help? Yes? 865 00:37:04,801 --> 00:37:06,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't speak up. And that's part of my 866 00:37:06,921 --> 00:37:08,841 Speaker 3: mission now I want, you know, I want to you know, 867 00:37:08,921 --> 00:37:11,241 Speaker 3: help people, support people to speak up about the mental 868 00:37:11,241 --> 00:37:13,241 Speaker 3: health and you know it's okay to talk about you know, 869 00:37:13,281 --> 00:37:15,801 Speaker 3: but I really don't like it when people go to 870 00:37:15,881 --> 00:37:17,921 Speaker 3: talk to you and and they kick you out of 871 00:37:17,921 --> 00:37:21,121 Speaker 3: a club, you know because of that, Like isn't like 872 00:37:21,161 --> 00:37:22,881 Speaker 3: the gym, like you know, the boxing club. You know, 873 00:37:23,161 --> 00:37:25,081 Speaker 3: they keep you up because you know you need help. 874 00:37:25,121 --> 00:37:28,641 Speaker 3: You know they maybe a lot of people look at it. Yeah, yeah, 875 00:37:28,841 --> 00:37:31,561 Speaker 3: they need help, need help. Yeah, okay, you can. You 876 00:37:31,601 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: can lead a horse to water, but you can't force 877 00:37:33,481 --> 00:37:36,281 Speaker 3: them to drink, you know. And and look look that 878 00:37:36,361 --> 00:37:38,321 Speaker 3: the support networks are there. You just got to really 879 00:37:38,401 --> 00:37:40,201 Speaker 3: want them, you know, you got to. You know, real 880 00:37:40,241 --> 00:37:42,041 Speaker 3: man doesn't get home and just think, ah fuck, I 881 00:37:42,041 --> 00:37:43,521 Speaker 3: had a bad day and have a drink, decided to 882 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:45,441 Speaker 3: get pissed. You know, you'll cop it on the chin, 883 00:37:45,521 --> 00:37:46,921 Speaker 3: you'll go sleeep it, get up and see if you 884 00:37:46,961 --> 00:37:48,881 Speaker 3: can do better the next day. And same as me 885 00:37:48,961 --> 00:37:51,121 Speaker 3: when I lost, you know, when I lost my second fight, 886 00:37:51,441 --> 00:37:53,041 Speaker 3: you know, I said to myself, you know, I'm going 887 00:37:53,081 --> 00:37:56,441 Speaker 3: to train harder, eat better, do better. And you know, 888 00:37:56,521 --> 00:37:58,681 Speaker 3: and the third fighter won and that that helped build me, 889 00:37:58,761 --> 00:38:01,721 Speaker 3: build my my strength up as my confidence. And you 890 00:38:01,721 --> 00:38:02,561 Speaker 3: know that you can do this. 891 00:38:02,681 --> 00:38:02,881 Speaker 1: You know. 892 00:38:02,921 --> 00:38:04,561 Speaker 3: Can you go one day without drinking as you can? 893 00:38:04,601 --> 00:38:06,521 Speaker 3: Two days? She can, three days? Just she can? You know, 894 00:38:06,681 --> 00:38:09,081 Speaker 3: just keep on, keep on keeping on. It's it's a 895 00:38:09,121 --> 00:38:11,681 Speaker 3: building process. And you know, like I'm thankful to say, 896 00:38:11,761 --> 00:38:13,641 Speaker 3: you know, like like I've got this and I'm just 897 00:38:13,681 --> 00:38:15,201 Speaker 3: gonna keep him going onwards and upwards. 898 00:38:15,281 --> 00:38:17,121 Speaker 1: Do you think jail cleaned you up? 899 00:38:17,321 --> 00:38:19,721 Speaker 3: Yes, he did, you know, like like so the day 900 00:38:19,761 --> 00:38:21,721 Speaker 3: that I learned that there was a warrant out for 901 00:38:21,761 --> 00:38:25,001 Speaker 3: my arrest, The fuck that's it. You know, instead of 902 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,041 Speaker 3: like thinking about how am I going to be able 903 00:38:27,081 --> 00:38:28,721 Speaker 3: to get something into the jail and stuff, we make 904 00:38:28,801 --> 00:38:31,841 Speaker 3: some casualizers and that fuck that's it. Hands in the air. Okay, 905 00:38:32,161 --> 00:38:35,361 Speaker 3: I'm an addict. Okay, I learnt deal with it. So 906 00:38:35,441 --> 00:38:38,521 Speaker 3: I started running narcotics anonymous programs in the in the 907 00:38:38,601 --> 00:38:40,721 Speaker 3: jail where I'd get people, we would all talk about 908 00:38:40,721 --> 00:38:43,721 Speaker 3: our problems and did every single course available to me 909 00:38:43,761 --> 00:38:47,281 Speaker 3: that was available, and you know, I bettered myself. And 910 00:38:47,321 --> 00:38:49,561 Speaker 3: then when it comes time to sentencing, the judge saw that, 911 00:38:50,001 --> 00:38:51,681 Speaker 3: you know, they could see that, you know, that I 912 00:38:51,721 --> 00:38:56,041 Speaker 3: was a changed person and and basically, like she said, 913 00:38:56,041 --> 00:38:58,281 Speaker 3: I was right to go and proceed. No, he's still 914 00:38:58,281 --> 00:39:01,281 Speaker 3: those three months for the time which which he admitted 915 00:39:01,281 --> 00:39:03,801 Speaker 3: Tom pleading guilty, the three months whilst he was on process. 916 00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:05,401 Speaker 3: So those are three months. So that's sent me all 917 00:39:05,401 --> 00:39:07,521 Speaker 3: the way back to lock up in the chinks Off 918 00:39:07,521 --> 00:39:08,601 Speaker 3: you go in the back of the thing, all the 919 00:39:08,601 --> 00:39:11,081 Speaker 3: way out to Woodford and all the boys they're going Mickey. 920 00:39:11,121 --> 00:39:12,961 Speaker 3: It says on the news that you out of jail. Funk, 921 00:39:12,961 --> 00:39:14,601 Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be I know, so I thought I 922 00:39:14,641 --> 00:39:17,081 Speaker 3: was out too, but you know, those three months whatever. 923 00:39:17,561 --> 00:39:19,841 Speaker 3: Then she did an emergent re sentencing the next day 924 00:39:19,921 --> 00:39:22,481 Speaker 3: the judge and said, listen, basically said this is the 925 00:39:22,481 --> 00:39:26,161 Speaker 3: way I took it, that she's the boss. This man's reformed. 926 00:39:26,481 --> 00:39:29,641 Speaker 3: And I'm so thankful. I have so much gratitude that 927 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,201 Speaker 3: I did what I did so then I can be 928 00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:34,881 Speaker 3: here today telling the story. You know what I had 929 00:39:34,921 --> 00:39:36,961 Speaker 3: to go through the experience and you know, the lowest 930 00:39:37,001 --> 00:39:39,161 Speaker 3: of the low moments and been able to make it 931 00:39:39,201 --> 00:39:41,641 Speaker 3: through to the now. I was just so grateful, just 932 00:39:41,681 --> 00:39:43,841 Speaker 3: so grateful to be here about looking and talking about 933 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:46,001 Speaker 3: my story and you know, and be able to pass 934 00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:47,001 Speaker 3: on a message to others. 935 00:39:47,161 --> 00:39:48,401 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. 936 00:39:48,521 --> 00:39:49,161 Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. 937 00:39:50,041 --> 00:39:52,201 Speaker 1: It's a great story and unbelievable career. 938 00:39:52,201 --> 00:39:59,241 Speaker 3: B Yeah, thank you, yeah, thank you for coming. 939 00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:00,201 Speaker 1: My pleasure.