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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me. Tip Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which I'm recording this podcast, the Warundry people of

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Speaker 1: the Pooler Nation. I pay my respects to elders past

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Speaker 1: and present. Shan, Welcome to the podcast. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start off by letting listeners know how we know each other.

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Speaker 1: We worked together on the Biggest Loser and I still

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Speaker 1: remember my very first day. It was like turning up

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Speaker 1: to the first day of school not knowing anybody, and

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Speaker 1: you were always so kind and so beautiful and my

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Speaker 1: best little mate and it was great fun. So how

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Speaker 1: many seasons did you do on The Biggest Loser? All up?

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Speaker 2: Eleven years tif two thousand and six to two thousand

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Speaker 2: and seven, eleven years, eleven years, just like that.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I can still remember our first meeting to him when

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Speaker 2: we went to the cafe in Manly. Remember we're filming

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Speaker 2: at north Head, Yes, and we went to cafe. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: call a cafe Manly and make your infride.

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Speaker 1: Here I know, and I was like, no, it'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: And it was so funny because you and I are

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Speaker 2: so similar in our personalities. But as far as our

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Speaker 2: and our work ethic and stuff, but as far as

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Speaker 2: our programming of education comes from two totally different generations, right,

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Speaker 2: And I remember, and you're sort of the new school

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Speaker 2: and whether dietitians have been onto you and going no,

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Speaker 2: let's have a relationship with food and don't count calories

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Speaker 2: and you will be fine.

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Speaker 3: And you're going to shut out and listen, mate, if

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Speaker 3: you want results, you have to count.

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Speaker 1: If you were you're going to have to count the

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Speaker 1: calories and you're going to have to track.

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Speaker 3: And you're a old news school. It's so onerous.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think that as long as you

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Speaker 2: have a moderation of everything will be final.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a competition. It was a competition, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: And like a lot of people because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you know this, but they're rerunning Biggest Losers families

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Speaker 1: at the moment somewhere because I was at a fitness

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Speaker 1: expo on the weekend. Where where is.

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Speaker 2: It it's called? Yeah, I'm watching it with my kids.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching it with my kids.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. It is so populis and and people

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Speaker 1: are coming up to me everywhere saying I just saw

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Speaker 1: you eat all that food, and I'm like, it's a

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Speaker 1: lifetime ago. But when we ate all that food and stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just for people who haven't seen the show,

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Speaker 1: the producers made us eat everything that the contestants ate

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Speaker 1: in a week to see how much weight we'd put on,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it was pretty full on and low

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Speaker 1: of the questions I'm being asked about the trainers and

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Speaker 1: whether we were was it a team environment or was

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Speaker 1: it competitive? Like what would you say between the trainers?

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Speaker 3: Ultra competitive? You know, it was always always ultra competitive.

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Speaker 2: We're all athletes in our own rights, and we've all

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Speaker 2: come from from sporting background where we is sort of

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Speaker 2: is the only thing, you know what I mean. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you've got your taekwon day and I'm a boxing and

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Speaker 2: Rabia league player, and then Steve's got his CrossFit. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so we've always it was an ultracompetitive and it was ruthless.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for me, it was lucky that I

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Speaker 1: Now, oh my goodness, I know, I know it was

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Speaker 1: interesting times and you know, we did spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time together. Like people think that the trainers were

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Speaker 1: separated because it was a competition, we didn't spend time together,

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Speaker 1: but there was a green room and the four of

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Speaker 1: us spent a lot of time together, long filming days

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Speaker 1: and it was full on. But looking back, Shannon, it's

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Speaker 1: been a while since the show's been on. What were

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Speaker 1: some of the biggest lessons that you learned from that time.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the most important things I learned

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Speaker 2: tif quite early on was to be very slow in

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Speaker 2: judging people as to the reason of their weight game.

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Speaker 2: Up until then, you sort of think to yourself, shut

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Speaker 2: With some of the girls there, and when they explained

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Speaker 2: to me the reason for their weight game. Now the

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Speaker 2: reason for their weight game, and I won't name it,

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Speaker 2: but one of the girls in the competition said to me,

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Speaker 2: I know that if I'm walking down the street with

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Speaker 2: on as a target for sexual assault. And I could

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Speaker 2: It still hurts me to see she was quite young, hunh,

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Speaker 2: The reason she got overwhel became i'vet became fat was

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Speaker 2: because she's eating too much. But the reason she was

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Speaker 2: eating too much is self preservation from an environmental exposure.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what a scary thing an't Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. We were introduced to some full on stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, that was probably one of the

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Speaker 2: things that I learned earliest, and then from that I

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Speaker 2: really sort of changed my attitude to try and understand

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Speaker 2: how and why people had got to the position that

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Speaker 2: they'd got to and then go about trying to unlock

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Speaker 2: them mentally to get the most from them physically. I

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Speaker 2: guess what about you?

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Speaker 3: What about you? Yeah? What was one of your biggest listens?

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Speaker 3: I love to know.

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Speaker 1: I think it was around around the actual training methods.

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit go hard smashed trainer back then,

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Speaker 1: and I know it was a competition and we were

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Speaker 1: limited on time that we got to train them. We

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Speaker 1: had to, you know, really go hard in the times

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Speaker 1: that we had with the content testance. But looking back,

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Speaker 1: I worry about their relationship with exercise, and I probably

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Speaker 1: would have gone a little bit done things a lot

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Speaker 2: So the funny thing is, I've got no regrets as

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that, Yeah, because have

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Speaker 1: you changed any of your diet or exercise since the

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Speaker 1: show ended, any of your philosophies, any of your training styles,

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Speaker 2: If no, because nothing that I've done or no one

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Speaker 2: else I've seen in this country can surpass the results

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Speaker 2: that we generated that you got, and the results are

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Speaker 2: i know, scouting calories and expending energy through training. Now,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't change anything in a weight loss competition than

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Speaker 2: what I did. I have, however, changed the method that

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Speaker 2: I'm training for myself. Yes, So at that age, you know,

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Speaker 2: when we're on there, it was sort of thirty five

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Speaker 2: So I'm still lifting weights, but I'm lifting weights around

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Speaker 2: a mobility protocol more so, and my entire focus is

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Speaker 2: just maintaining a strong, healthy, athletic body that allows me

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Speaker 2: to do the things that I've always wanted to do

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Speaker 2: with my kids. So probably back when the show was on,

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Speaker 2: it was about big guns and six pack and that

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Speaker 2: to go there, I was there was Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We ran yeah, yeah, along the.

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Speaker 3: Beach of the house on Manly Beach. I used to

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Speaker 3: run along there seeing people don't realize that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and I used to get together in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon after we'd finished and just go for a

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Speaker 2: run together as mates.

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Speaker 3: Great memories.

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Speaker 1: I love that. It was so good, it was so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: They were my top ever. Yeah, I've changed my training

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Speaker 1: focusing on strength training and building that lean muscle mass,

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Speaker 1: which I really didn't prioritize as much back then. But

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Speaker 1: I need that lean muscle. That's your longevity, right. But you, Shan,

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Speaker 1: you are the number one weight loss trainer I think

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Speaker 1: through different apps and stuff, and I still think you

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Speaker 1: are the number one for weight loss. You got the results, mate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got the results there, hunh.

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Speaker 2: And it's quite a funny time, you know, Like I

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Speaker 2: sort of right sense of humor that when we were

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Speaker 2: going through the Biggest Loser, fitness articles were written by

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Speaker 2: fitness experts like us who had the results to do it.

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Speaker 2: Fitness articles are now written by influencers who had a

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Speaker 2: And influencer writes a story that's going to improve their

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Speaker 2: but done without the knowledge, without the results, without the skills,

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Speaker 2: and without thirty four years experience behind them, and the

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Speaker 2: emotional that goes with it as well, you know what

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Speaker 2: One may say it looks great, it's not real.

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Speaker 1: It's not real. And talking about that, what would you

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Speaker 2: I think people still need to come back to the

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Speaker 3: There's no better way to do it.

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Speaker 2: get fifty cents change. It's a mathematical equation. What goes

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Speaker 2: To take away the myth around food, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Like the new thing is that everyone you've

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Speaker 3: Over relationship with You.

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Speaker 2: Have a relationship with my wife different than you and

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Speaker 3: I have a relationship with my beautiful kids. But for me,

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Speaker 1: Was a relationship with food?

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Speaker 3: Give you banana?

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Speaker 2: I was really excited to ask you about this too.

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Speaker 2: I saw your oat empic the other day. Your oat empic.

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Speaker 3: Alcoholics. Yeah, yeah, we'll just dampen it. Alcoholics and people.

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Speaker 2: It's like saying to an alcoholic tic, let's just have

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Speaker 1: I've been here with a lot of criticism over The

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: Death in Australia. So what we're doing is not working.

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Speaker 2: Dif what the government's putting out and everything in moderation,

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Speaker 2: let's have a relationship with further it's not working, we're

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Speaker 3: But we're lucky enough now that.

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Speaker 2: We have different tools like the seamen, glue tide and

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Speaker 3: Me obsolete, Not at all as a trainer.

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Speaker 2: It's just one of the tools that I now have

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Speaker 3: Full thing. Man, if we can help another in another.

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Speaker 1: Generation, braks so hard to get Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And again, and now our government, in its infinite wisdom,

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Speaker 2: is going to ban seam the glue type production locally

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Speaker 2: what so we can import it from overseas for people,

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Speaker 2: and they won't allow us to promote that like our standards.

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Speaker 3: Australian standards are higher than anywhere in the world. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be so hard for people to get

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Speaker 2: and the government will subsidize a gastric band or something.

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Speaker 1: What back gosh you blow my mind, Shannon, Yeah, blow

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