1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hi doctor Jeff, welcome back to the You Project. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's great to be back. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Why would you do this to yourself? Why would you 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: do this twice? Did you not learn? 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: I am an into punishment, self flagellation. This is this 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: is what I'm all about, to help me grow. The pain, 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: you know, helps me grow and develop as a as 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: a man and a professional. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Wow, that's good for you. Just lean into the adversity, bro, 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: because Tiff and I are here to help you feel 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: the pain and build resilience and awareness and competence and equanimity, 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: being able to be the calm and the chaos that 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: is her. And I better say a load of Tiff 14 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: because she's also on the show. Hi, Tiv. 15 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm just here to provide the you stress apps. Good stress, 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: All right, well I'll provide. 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: I'll provide the distress and we'll give it both barrels, 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: both kinds to the doctor. See how he is. Hey, mate, 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: welcome back. And I believe you're going to become a 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: quasi unpaid regular. I don't know if that's any good 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: for you, but thank you so much. I don't know 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: why you do it, but we're very grateful. How is 23 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: your Christmas in New Year or how is your holidays? 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: Wonderful? Lots of family, lots of cookies. I'm paying for 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: that now with extra time in the gym, but wonderful. 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: I hope you and yours had a great holiday season 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: as well. 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. It was an interesting one for me. 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: It was a few peaks and troughs, but nonetheless we 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: come out the other side. I'm just looking out the 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: window right now. I live in a place called outside 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: of Melbourne anyway, and it's an absolutely beautiful day. It's 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: going to be like twenty eighth DeGreasy, which is what 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: is that? That's probably two thirty it's probably around eighty 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: eighty five fahrenheit. What's it like? What's it like where 36 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: you are right now? 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Well, we're in the middle of winter here in Las Vegas, 38 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: and the desert gets hot in the summer, but it 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: gets a bit cold in the winter too, so we're 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: I got out to the car this morning to go 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: to work and it was probably below forty fahrenheit. 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: Did you say below forty I did, dude. It's ridiculous. 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: The desert gets cold because we don't we don't have moisture, 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: so there's nothing to trap the temperature in the air, 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: so the area is cold in the winter and hot, 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: hot heart in the summer. 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah wow. So with that minus forty, there's no snow though. 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: We rarely get snow here in Las Vegas. Every now 49 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: and then we get a dusting but doesn't last. But 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: in the in the mountains surrounding the Las Vegas is 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: a bit of a valley in the in the mountains, 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: we do get snow. You within within a good hour 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: hour and a half drive, you can be in some 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: in some deep snow. 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: Wow. 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Southern Utah, Yeah. 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: We don't get a lot out. Well, we do get 58 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: snow over here, but it's not really well not really, 59 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: although we do have a disproportionate number of Winter Olympians 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: to won Winter Olympic gold medals, which is quite quite 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: amazing because we're essentially an island that's surrounded by beaches, 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: and we're renowned for our beaches and our summer kind 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: of vibe. But hey, all right, so let's get underway. 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, I think there was an 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: invitation there that you skipped right over. 66 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: You were inviting me to your beaches. 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I am exactly doing that all you need to do 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: is come over here and we will run We will 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: run some seminars and workshops with you. If you get 70 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: your I will make the workshop. I will make the 71 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: workshop or workshops happen if you get over here. All right, deal, 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk about that. That'll be in uh, 73 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: that'll be our post chat chat. I wanted to ask you. 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: People always ask me because of what I do in 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: my background exose physiologists and all of that stuff and 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: owning gyms and working in the space and neuropsychology and 77 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, like they want to know what I do. 78 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: People want to people want to know weirdly, what what 79 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: do you eat? Like? How often do you work out? 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: How much strength training do you What do you think 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: of cardio? What do you think of running versus walking? 82 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Do you drink? How long? How you know? Right? And 83 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm the most boring fucker on the planet because I 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: had two meals a day. I've never drunk booze, I've 85 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: never been high. I'm I don't know if I'm obsessed 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: or disciplined. It depends on the day, but I'm probably 87 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm probably a little bit of both. Right, I was 88 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: thinking before, like as much or as little as you 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: want to share, What does a typical day or week 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: look like for you in terms of you managing you? 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: I want to know food, exercise, sleep, supplements kind of 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: the protocol. Yeah, what do you do? How do you manage. 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:56,119 Speaker 2: You do in the life? So I I am a 94 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: brain works early in the morning kind of guy. So 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: I will get up. I like to exercise in the morning, 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: exercise later. So I will get up. I will have 97 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: a new tropic drink that's an oo tropic, not any 98 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: w tropic. So something to stimulate my brain, whether it's 99 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: you know, some carnetine protein drink or you know, maybe 100 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: a cup of coffee on a cold day or something. 101 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 2: And I get I get get cleaned up, get to work, 102 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: and my brain works best. So I do. I like 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: to have some time by myself in the morning where 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: I get work done. I do some writing. I do 105 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: quite a bit of writing, actually working on my book 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: and all this. So I do that. I am an 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: intermittent feeder. Some people call that intermittent fasting or circadian feeding. 108 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: And I don't eat until lunchtime religiously that that particular 109 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: biohack comes easy to me, which is one of the 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: reasons I do it, besides the health benefits, uh and 111 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: and and the fact that sometimes I don't shut off 112 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: my eating right at dark, I might, you know, let 113 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: that go a little bit beyond. So, so that's my 114 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: compensation there. I have a protein heavy lunch. I do 115 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: take supplements. I take quite a few. That's my daily 116 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: dose right there. 117 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: Wow wow, but not so scary, Jeff, Just for those 118 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: who are on enlistening, Jeff just held out the bag 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: what looks like forty forty capsules of all different show. Yeah. 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know some of the some of the 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: more important ones are vitamin D three. We've got, you know, 122 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: my omega threes in here. I take plenty of that. 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: We've got some probiotics. Then a bunch of other phyto 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: nutrients I don't get in my regular diet because the 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: food here in is horrible. And then late in the 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: afternoon or early in the evening is when I will 127 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: start to lose mental steam. And I like to go 128 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: to the gym. I like to be efficient. I'll do 129 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: high intensive cardio, maybe fifteen minutes interval training. I'll do 130 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: some strength training. I like to do one set to failure. 131 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: Instead of multiple sets, I like to do some yoga 132 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: for flexibility, and then I ended off with a sauna. 133 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: I try to do twenty minutes at one hundred and 134 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: eighty degrees fahrenheit. 135 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: Wow. 136 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes a little more. Sometimes I get lightheaded and have 137 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: to leave early, take a nice cool shower, and home 138 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: for dinner and the relaxing evening. There you got a 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: typical day. 140 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: They are perfect. What in terms of I want to 141 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: ask a few things. But so the people who have 142 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: gone what a new tropicks? New tropics? Correct me if 143 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But a sect essentially improve or can assist 144 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: cognitive function, right, mental acuity, focus, concentration, alertness, all of that. Right. So, 145 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the things that people 146 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: don't think about so much, or that I'm generalizing. So 147 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: don't get offended anyone, because this may not be you, 148 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: But I don't think most people the average punter thinks 149 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: about how well is my brain working? How can I 150 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: improve my cognitive or my brain function, my focus, my 151 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: ability to produce high quality work or outcomes with my 152 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: brain while I'm studying or researching or writing, or so 153 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: what would be I mean, like weight training is a 154 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: nootropic of sorts. We know that there's a correlation between 155 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: cognitive enhancement and lifting weights, right. We know that sleep 156 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: sleep obviously, if you have crap sleep or you have 157 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, poor quality sleep, that relates to you know, 158 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: impaired cognitive function. But if we look at just things 159 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: that we can do. 160 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: So. 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: What was the one that you said you use for 162 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: the new tropic you said you use. 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: It could be coffe, it could be tea. Sometimes I'll 164 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 2: have you know, when Tho's amino acid energy drinks, it 165 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: usually has carnatine touring something like that. I avoid. I 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: avoid calories really sugar in the morning. So yeah, I 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: guess there are some calories in the protein, but you know, 168 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: it's hard to get enough proteins, so that that's a 169 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: challenge of mine. In fact, before we went on the 170 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: air here, I had a protein drink and a protein 171 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: bar for my right. Yeah. 172 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: And what about so there's I don't know if it's 173 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: been like it's been coming in my space. You know, 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: when you read something, then all of that comes to 175 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: your social media feed. Right now I'm getting you know, 176 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I read a couple of studies on the cognitive benefits 177 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: of creatane which originally wasn't created for as a supplement, 178 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: and now I'm getting all of them. And then I've 179 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: done I've done I on once say I've done a 180 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: deep dive. I've done a cursory dive. It seems to 181 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: be some well, there seems to be some value in 182 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: creatine in terms of cognitive function. 183 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree with that. And then the 184 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: funny thing about amino acids, as you know, humans need 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, twenty of them. We make most of them. 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: Some of them we don't make, called essential ones, right, 187 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: and those are usually the branch chain ones, mostly found 188 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: in meat, and that's why vegans and vegetarians sometimes struggle 189 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: to get the right protein balances. But there are even 190 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: some more esoteric amino acids, some stimulate metabolism in different ways, 191 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: and we're learning more and more about those all the time. 192 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: What about a lot of people are now using when 193 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: I say a lot more people, you know, by a lot, 194 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: there's probably five percent, so not a lot, but compared 195 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: to what they used to be. But people are now 196 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: starting to use nicotine, not smoking and not forgetting that, 197 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: but nicotine for like I don't want to throw anyone 198 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: under the bus. But I know quite a lot of 199 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: academics who use nicotine and the like focus and concentration, 200 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: which seems counterintuitive, but have you heard of that I have? 201 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: And nicotine is you know, all these neotropics effect are 202 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: neurotransmitter efficiency and function and balance. So nicotine is a known, 203 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: you know, neotropic. The problem is it's highly addictive. 204 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Well yeah, friend of mine 205 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. No one knows who it is. But someone 206 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: who doesn't matter who it is. So they started about 207 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: a year ago using two milligram gum, so two milligram 208 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: every now and then. And by the way, everyone, this 209 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: is not a recommendation at all, as the doc said, 210 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: it's addictive. My actual recommendation is don't start. But they started, 211 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: and it helped because they were having, you know, kind 212 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: of a bit of brain fog and struggling in meetings 213 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: and struggling to be present, and it really helped. And 214 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: then obviously after a little while it didn't help, so 215 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: they needed all milligrams, and then that didn't help, and 216 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: then eventually got up to I mean no shock here, right, 217 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: like twenty milligrams a day, and then Rangman when it's 218 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: not working. I said it, not that I recommended it, 219 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: but I went, what are you doing? What are you doing? 220 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: And they told me and I went, well, goodness me, 221 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, and then so basically created their own addiction. 222 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: So you're exactly right. I mean, this is things kind 223 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: of you know, because the body adjusts and downregulates or 224 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: whatever it does, and you kind of build an intolerance, right, 225 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: so you need more and more to get the same outcome. 226 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: Yep. I mean for the same reason. Cocaine is a nootropic, 227 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't recommend it either. 228 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: That's so true. 229 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: It's also agree for wheat last, I would recommend it 230 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: for that reason. 231 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're probably healthier ways to get skinny and 232 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: get focused. 233 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: Than those kinds of drugs. 234 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Ah. 235 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: That is interesting. 236 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: All right. I want to talk to you about something 237 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: that's more in your wheelhouse and without asking a specific question, 238 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a broad question. Can you 239 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: talk to us about some of the variables and factors 240 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: around longevity and not just longevity? No, let's go health span. 241 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: So from my listeners, go on what that is? What 242 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: is that? Health span is essentially what percentage of your life? 243 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: Let's say you live to ninety, how much of those 244 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: ninety years are you living. Let's just say, well, talk 245 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: to us about health span. Doc. 246 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's very good because you want your goal 247 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: is to have your health span fill your longevity CORC. 248 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: And you know it's very You could approach longevity cheap 249 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: and easy. Right. You can do what your grandmother told you. 250 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 2: You can sleep well, you know, sleep a good amount 251 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: of time for you. That could be six, seven, eight hours, 252 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: but sleep restoratively, you know, pull dark room. You can 253 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: learn to destress your mind because otherwise you're chemically inflamed 254 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: inside your body. So whether that's breathing, meditation, prayer, whatever 255 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: it is in your life, to calm your mind and 256 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: help calm your body, especially before sleep, because sleep is 257 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: when we repair. And the more repair you have each night, 258 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: the more health span you'll have. Third, you can have 259 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: real food and good nutrients. And that could include a 260 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: bag full of supplements as I showed you, and it 261 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: could include you know, grass fed meat, you know, or 262 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: good protein, high protein fruits and vegetables, phyto nutrients, all 263 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: the things that we should be eating. And that not 264 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: the typical American grocery store. You know, preserved box of 265 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: you know, cat food disguised for humans. You can we laugh, 266 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: but it's true, it's fine, it's true. 267 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: It's kind. How often do you pick up a box? 268 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: Maybe not you or me or Tiff, but the average 269 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: person who doesn't really read labels or but and you. 270 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I say to people, have a look at the ingredients 271 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: in that box of musli bars that you're getting, because 272 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: musley bars are healthy and you're getting them for your kids, 273 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: have a look at the ingredients. Firstly, how many ingredients 274 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: are there? And they'll go thirty four. I'm like, yeah, 275 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: how many of those have you never heard of? And 276 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: it's like thirty thirty. Yeah, Like, dude, that's not a 277 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: fucking healthful that's an experiment that you're shoving in your kid. 278 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, you're eating something that has more chemicals 279 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: to enhance its shelf life than for its new nutritive 280 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: value for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Back to our health span list, 281 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: I mean you got to include exercise, right, We're designed 282 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: to be moving beings. If you don't move it, you 283 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: lose it. If you don't lose it, your body has 284 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: no reason for longevity and therefore no reason for health span. 285 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: So you have to move muscles. Muscle mass is your goal. 286 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: If you maintain your muscle mass, that means you're moving. 287 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: That means you're maintaining your bone density. If you're maintaining 288 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: your bone density, you're maintaining your bone mara. What's in 289 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: your bone Marrow your stem cells to help keep you young. 290 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: So move for youth, move for health span. And I think, 291 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: as we mentioned last time, hormesis right, a small amount 292 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: of stress to build resilience. And that could be exercise, 293 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: It could be fasting, it could be hot, sauna, could 294 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 2: be cold, plunge, various different methods of stressing to you know, 295 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: train yourselves to live longer and do well. And if 296 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: you do all those things, everything else should be easy. 297 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you if I had to? Okay, you're 298 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: probably not going to want to do this, but bear 299 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: with me. I'm going to give you. I'm going to 300 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: give you a list of variables and factors that influence 301 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: longevity and hell span more importantly, and this is this 302 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: is not science, everyone, this is conversation. I want you 303 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: to tell me on the ten out of ten importance. Yeah, so, 304 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: and I know that it's it's a combination of everything 305 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: but out of ten, diet, what would you give diet? 306 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: I give diet. I give diet a seven. 307 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So now I'm going to do two here under 308 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: the banner of exercise, So exercise, structured exercise, what would 309 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: you give that? 310 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: I'd give it a ten, a ten. 311 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: And then like, because a lot of people will work 312 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: out one hour a day, but the rest of the 313 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: day is highly sedentory, right, and that I need to 314 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: be careful of that because I spend so much time 315 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: or I can spend so much time reading, researching, interviewing 316 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Right, So what about incidental occupational and 317 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: lifestyle activity, in other words, just all the movement other 318 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: than exercise. 319 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably put that down at a six. 320 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, what about managing ones stress and anxiety? 321 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: I think that's going to be an eight, and I 322 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: put it eight. An extra structured exercise is at a ten 323 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: because I think structured exercise can overcome that, Yeah, a 324 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: lot of the anxiety. 325 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: Great, great, Yeah, I think all of these things are 326 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: or they definitely can be interrelated and intertwined relationships as 327 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: in other humans in our life. 328 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: I think that we should work to keep that at 329 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: a five. I think some people have these coredependencies and 330 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: needs that brings it higher for them on the list 331 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: where it shouldn't be, but it shouldn't be zero either. 332 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. That is very interesting. I'd like to 333 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: talk to you about codependence. I'm going to write that down, 334 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: because relationships are healthy until the point where they're kind 335 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: of toxic sometimes, I think, I don't know. 336 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to want it more than you 337 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: need it. That's the element that's important. 338 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, your environment, and by that I mean like, 339 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: for example, I have a really nice office and I 340 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: have a really nice outlook, and I really I enjoy 341 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: I'm productive than creative and calm in the environment that 342 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: I've created to work in. But so environment, I mean 343 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: work life. Yeah, just the environment in general, physical environment 344 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: that we spend time in. 345 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: I think that's also a round a five because anyone 346 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: who's mastered the ones that are more important on our 347 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: list should be able to survive difficult circumstances. Humans have 348 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: evolved to deal with harsh environments. 349 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, all right, what about this is not 350 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: a very good term for somebody who's does what I do, 351 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: But I'm just going to call it mindset, all the 352 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: thinking stuff, attitudes, beliefs, ideas, choices, all that kind of 353 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: stuff that arises from that space between our ears. 354 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I give them a seven alongside, you know, sort 355 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: of the neurostress category. 356 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: Okay, we've touched on supplements, but would you put up personally? 357 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: Would you include that? Well, clearly you do. What would 358 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: you get them? 359 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 2: I put them with the diet? So would we have diet? Yeah, 360 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: because supplements are what's missing in our diet. Okay, because 361 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm not foraging the forest and the earth and eating 362 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: of the of the earth as I should as as 363 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: as we do as we can. Uh, the supplements make 364 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: up for that lack of biodiversity in my diet that 365 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: but I need and my biome needs. 366 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. And for people will keep going 367 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: with this. But for people to find that out, you know, 368 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: is the best thing for them to go and get 369 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: a blood test or is it? You know? How do 370 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean people that are you going? Yeah, that's cool, doc, 371 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: But how do I know what I need? 372 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean yeah, you can do very expensive testing. 373 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: We do that for people. You can test your gut biome, 374 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: you can test micronutrients, you know, missing from your bloodstream 375 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: and things. You can also just eat better and take 376 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: the supplements. It's probably less expensive than doing the testing 377 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: and end up at the same result. 378 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So we got three more, and this 379 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: is very broad but lifestyle. So how we put it 380 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: at work sleep or in the old days what we 381 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: would call work life balance. I don't like that term, 382 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: but like the totalent of our lifestyle. 383 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that goes again with the overall 384 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: neurostress and anxiety categories. I think I gave it a 385 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: seven earlier, so around that frame. 386 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: Okay, second last one, what I might call supplemental therapeutical 387 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: protocols like cold therapy, sauna, massage, all the stuff in 388 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: that space. 389 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. Order we put that because this is 390 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: like some of HERMESA and things like that. I think 391 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: I would put that. Where did I put the non 392 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: exercise movement? 393 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: I think you put that at a five because you 394 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: said we could really what mattered most was exercise. 395 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to give these a little more weight, 396 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: so let me give this a six. 397 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool, all right. And last one, this is probably 398 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: the fluffiest one, but very important for some people anyway, 399 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: as spirituality or having a spiritual component to your existence. 400 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm going to put that around seven 401 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: or eight with some of the other anxiety neurostress elements 402 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: because if you if you're deeply spiritual, usually you have 403 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: better control of your of your anxiety system and your stress. 404 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: In fact, some people use it for that purpose. Now, 405 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: those who have a deeper spiritual connection may get more 406 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: out of it than I can describe, since I don't 407 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 2: admittedly have that. 408 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Yes, one of the things I used to do DOC 409 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: when I owned gyms, well, well I did own gyms, 410 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: but all of my gyms were appointment based, so the 411 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: personal training facilities but quite big, you know, like when 412 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: we were at our busiest, we would do sixteen hundred 413 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: sessions a week of personal training, so lots of trainers, 414 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: lots of clients, lots of business and not all of them, 415 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: but most of our clients. And this is back in 416 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: the day before trackers, right, this is when we had 417 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: hard copy diaries where people would diarize everything from sleep, 418 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: sleep to booze to coffee, tea, water intake sets, reps, 419 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: volume workload, you know, reps on the bough, revolutions on 420 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: the bike, so everything that would have an impact calories 421 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: in and out to an extent, or at least micros 422 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: and macros. And so what we tried to do was 423 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: to track as much as we could of people so 424 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: that one, you know, if I was training you, Jeff, 425 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: and I only saw you twice a week, when you 426 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: come in on Thursday, after I've last seen you Monday, 427 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: I've got three days of information that I can review 428 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: and talk to you about. And also what it did 429 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: for you the client was it helped you kind of 430 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: understand what works and what does and over time and 431 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: what your body's toe. And you go, oh, well, when 432 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: I eat dinner at this time, I feel shit or 433 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: I sleep bad, or but when I when this much food, 434 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I tend to lose energy or gain weight or whatever 435 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: it is. Right, So it was really an exercise in 436 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: tracking and discipline and self control and awareness. Do you 437 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: think that for the general person listening to this, that 438 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: some kind of mapping and tracking and some kind of 439 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: tool that improves our understanding of how our body interacts 440 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: with all of these things we're talking about. I know 441 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: it's a bit of work, but do you think it's 442 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: a good idea or do you have a better idea. 443 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a better idea. I 444 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: think it's a fantastic idea to track The more data, 445 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: the better, because like you said, it's all about these 446 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: patterns observations that can drive us achieving the goals more efficiently, 447 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: and we can use that information sometimes to apply to others, 448 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: you know, And that fact medicine is based on that. 449 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: It's about pattern recognition, you know, clinical patterns, syndromes, symptoms, 450 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: and knowing how to identify something when there's missing data 451 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: or incomplete data. And the more data we have, the better. 452 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: In fact, if you look at artificial intelligence, I know you, 453 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if you meant to go there, but 454 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: the entire methodology of how that works is it looks 455 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: at patterns and data and it looks at a lot 456 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: of data so that when you provided a new prompt 457 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: or a new query, it draws from that data in 458 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: the most efficient way, in a weighted way. So oh yeah, 459 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: most of the people who you know eat right before 460 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: bedtime feel crappy in the morning, you know, and it 461 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: can drive that kind of answer for someone. So I 462 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: believe that's there's nothing more important than collecting your own data. 463 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: I like health tech. I like apps for tracking your macros, 464 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: an Apple watch, or or ring or whoop bound or 465 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: whatever you prefer. All that stuff is right in my wheelhouse. 466 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: I love all that. This is a weird thought I 467 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: had the other day. I was thinking that everyone When 468 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: I say everyone should, I put an asterisk next to that, 469 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: of course, But how good would it be if everyone's 470 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: spent like a year of their life learning how bodies work, 471 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: Like if we did a deep dive on understanding how 472 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: obviously relative to ourselves, but you know, how food works, 473 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: how like the impact of all the things that we've 474 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: spoken about. Because I feel like so many people are yes, 475 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: we need experts, we need you, and we need people 476 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: like you, and we need dieve titians and doctors and 477 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: you know we need that. But how good would it 478 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: be for the population if they understood their own physiology, 479 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 1: you know, their own nervous system, their own you know, 480 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: their own gut biome, the way their brain works, even 481 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: down to the way their mind works. Subjective objective reality, 482 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, self awareness, self regulation, Like doing a year 483 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: on how I work. I think that would be such 484 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: a good, valuable thing. 485 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. I think that should 486 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: be part of, you know, a competency, a health curriculum 487 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: that you know, maybe at the junior high or high 488 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: school level here, I don't know if you call those 489 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: the same where you are, but you know where young 490 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: you know, teens can understand what they're doing, maybe maybe 491 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: things their parents have not even learned, so they can 492 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: go home and teach and CERI those skills forward as 493 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: a society. That would help reduce disease formation and the 494 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: financial burden that goes along with it as a society 495 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: would be fantastic for humankind. 496 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've got mates who a couple of mates 497 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: who spring to mind who they're amazing with cars and motive. 498 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: Not that they shouldn't be. That's a good thing. I'm hopeless, right, 499 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: so if I'm in trouble, I wring them. But I've 500 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 1: said to a few of them, if you knew as 501 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: much about your body as you know about that car 502 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: or those engines, sh'd never get sick again. At the 503 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: very least, you're drastic, you know, like they will spend 504 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: thousands of hours learning about and building and managing and 505 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: optimizing and developing systems for their you know, how does it? 506 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: How do I make this thing fucking amazing? How do 507 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: I make it work optimally and perform incredibly? Imagine if 508 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: they took that psychology to their body. 509 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean I would love it. You would 510 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: happily put me out of business. 511 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. So do you do you say I'm 512 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: a biohacker? Is that a do you identify? Yeah? 513 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: Proudly? Yeah absolutely. I mean you know there's a broad 514 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: definition there, but I absolutely am, and I think you 515 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: are as well. 516 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. But I mean it's not yeah, yeah, 517 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Like I'm fascinating, I don't. I don't really have an 518 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: emotional attachment to a particular idea or protocol or like, 519 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm just interested in what works, you know, like and 520 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: whether or not that's conventional or not. I don't care, 521 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Like I don't care. I'm like, I don't just what 522 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: is the intervention? How does it work? Why does it work? 523 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: What did you do? What was your outcome? Have you got? 524 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: You know? Like for me, I'm curious, and of course 525 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: something's bullshit and some things are amazing, but that's true 526 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: for any field, right right, What where did you start 527 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: with that? Where did you start with you know, like 528 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: I know you're still You're still a doctor, You're still 529 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, you still have your specialty. But when did 530 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: you start to diverge from the traditional path. 531 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: Maybe I've always been on the cutting edge looking for 532 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: new things, even when I was more traditionally practicing. You know, 533 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: I just because I was trained a certain way, it 534 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that's the end all be all. 535 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: You know. 536 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: It's like you know, in religion, religion, here's the Bible, 537 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: read it, this is this is the knowledge base you 538 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: have to learn it. In medicine, there's a lot of 539 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: training like that, and I learned a lot of things. 540 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: It turns out we're learning some of those things were wrong, 541 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: So those of us that were open minded have a 542 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: leg up on I kind of saw that coming. It 543 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: didn't make sense anyway, but I think it was about 544 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: you know, seven years ago when I really was getting 545 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: heavily into stem cells and my patients were encouraging me 546 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 2: to do that as an option for them. You know, 547 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: I really started to open the world of you know, 548 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: alternative medicine and functional medicine and and you know the 549 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: benefits of supplementation, which we don't learn in western medical school. 550 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: We did not study outside of maybe you know, fifteen 551 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: minutes on vitamins and minimal requirements, minimum requirements, you know, 552 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: so I think it was about seven years ago. And 553 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: when you go into the stem cell field, of course, 554 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: it opens up all the different things you might try 555 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: and do, from red light therapy to hyperbaric oxygen to 556 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, all the hormetic activities. And then all of 557 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: a sudden you look back and you're doing all kinds 558 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: of cool things and your doctor friends are looking at you. 559 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Look at them, you say, I'm biohacking. 560 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, What is there something that we now know 561 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: that is pretty solid, like we have great evidence for 562 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: or that you know that twenty years ago people would 563 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: have said in the mandstream medical community would have just 564 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: laughed at that or thought that that was ridiculous. Is 565 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: there something that in twenty twenty five we're like, no, 566 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: we know this works, and it doesn't fit within the 567 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: typical medical model, but we know that this works. 568 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: Well. We're seeing a lot of that in the post 569 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: COVID world. But here's an easy one, and I still 570 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: get this. I recommend people take ten thousand international units 571 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: of vitamin D through your day. That will get your 572 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: levels up probably above one hundred on your blood test. 573 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: Now that's the Western measurement, so it might be a 574 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: different number where you are. I've put that out on 575 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: social media and I've had people write in in comment 576 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: that's insane to offer that much, And I did a 577 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: deep dive. I said, well, I don't want to offer 578 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: anything insane, and so I did a deep dive and 579 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 2: it turns out I was right that the lab levels, 580 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: the lab values for vitamin D three are the levels 581 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: that are used to demonstrate the prevention of malnutrition. They 582 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 2: are not in any way affiliated with the optimal amount 583 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: of vitamin D three. Vitamin D three is important to 584 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: me because it's the only vitamin that's a hormone. It's 585 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 2: the only vitamin that's so heavily anti inflammatory, although others 586 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: are antioxidants, and it is high levels of vitamin D three, 587 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: higher than normal but not crazy high, are affiliated with 588 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: reduction in all causes of mortality. That means cancer, heart attack, stroke. 589 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 2: So if you're not having any of those things because 590 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 2: they're reduced by a vitamin, we're going to live longer 591 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: because you're not buying every day, So your longevity vitamin 592 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: and if you can get one thing from this podcast today. 593 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: It's take ten thousand international units of vitamin D three 594 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: a day. You're not at risk there. Going out into 595 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: the sun will convert some vitamin D two to vitamin 596 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: D three in your body. But uh, that doesn't mean 597 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 2: that's adequate for you. You take that tip, you take da 598 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 2: good good. 599 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: I think I think No, I don't think I do. 600 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: I think I think I've got it. 601 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 3: I think it's a little I think you've got it 602 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 3: with your age. 603 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably some in there. 604 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the droppy. That's the odd drop the thing, 605 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. 606 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: Yes, take that. 607 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: I should probably, I should probably still well, I just 608 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: had I just had a big drink of a J 609 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: one which tyst coca by the way. 610 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: Is that an Australian flavor? 611 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's funny. That's funny. When you're talking with 612 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: people dark about you know where they're at in terms 613 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: of their health and where they could be, and you're 614 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: you know whether or not you're just chatting or you're prescribing. 615 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: What's the what's the mix of being positive and warm 616 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: and empathetic but also practical and realistic. You know where 617 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: you can you know you're being a doctor and you're 618 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: being practical, but you're also being I think that's a 619 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: hard you know, Like, even me as an excise scientist, 620 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm going to have conversations with people that are 621 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: what I think they need to hear, but not want 622 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: to hear. You know, it's like, here's what Okay, you're 623 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: you're asking me about your body and your excise program, 624 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: and so here's truly what I think. By the way, 625 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 1: I'm more interested in your well being over the next 626 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: three decades than I am your emotional state in the 627 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: next three minutes. But I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. 628 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: And here we go, well said, I mean that we 629 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: have to be honest with people. We have to, you know, 630 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 2: give them options, give them hope, give them informed consent, 631 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: meaning here are the options, here the pros and cons 632 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: of all of them. Let's make a decision together that's 633 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: in your best interest. I'll help you make that decision. 634 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: But but you're right, sometimes people need the tough love, 635 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: the tough news. And you know, I learned early in 636 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: my career, you got to be don't beat around the bush, 637 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: you know, I early in my career I was I 638 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: was taking what we call emergency room trauma call. You know, 639 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: I was young and energetic and working all night and 640 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: and doing the brain trauma and the spine trauma. Then 641 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, people came in and the families. You have 642 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: to meet with the families and say I'm sorry, but 643 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, cousin Joe, he's dead. So you know, you 644 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: have to learn to say it and not beat around 645 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 2: the bush. Well it was we tried. It was really tough. 646 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: He's on yeah, you know, and and it's hard, and 647 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 2: you got to look them in the eye and hold 648 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: their hand and tell them the truth. 649 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there anything on the horizon in terms of 650 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: the space that you're in, anything that that you want 651 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: to maybe give us a peek into what might be 652 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: the future in terms of the stuff that that you're 653 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: exploring that's maybe not here in inverted commas yet, but 654 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: you think is on the way. 655 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, I'm in the regenerative medicine stem 656 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: cell field, and we do peptides and things like that. 657 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 2: The peptide industry is just wonderfully exploding. Uh, you know, 658 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: and these aren't these aren't new to our body, They're 659 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 2: just new to our knowledge, right, These have been around 660 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 2: for you know. Ever, they're small pepties, they're small proteins, 661 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 2: and they and they can be hormones. They they allow 662 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: us to communicate with our cells. And a very popular 663 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: one you've heard of is GLP one antagonists and agonists 664 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 2: and things. So you know that's exploding. You're going to 665 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 2: see new peptides on the market, you know, almost every month. 666 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 2: On the stem cell side of things, we're very excited 667 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: about a product, a subset of stem cells and stem 668 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 2: cell derived signally factors called exosomes that come from immune 669 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: cells that kill cancer cells. So part of our immune 670 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 2: cells circulating around our body, and their job is to 671 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: identify and remove accidental cancer cells that we make all 672 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: the time, our accidental sinesen cells, or hey this cell's wrong, 673 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: let's get rid of it, let's recycle those parts. Those 674 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: are called natural killer cells. Well, it turns out natural 675 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: killer cells might be a great treatment for cancer. So 676 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: we are looking to get the cell signaling from these 677 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: natural cancer cells and use them as an augmentative treatment 678 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 2: for people suffering with one of the worst diseases we've got. 679 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 2: So and this we know cancer is not just one disease, 680 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: but natural killer cells don't know that. 681 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is interesting. Is how does that? I mean, 682 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't really even understand this enough to ask a 683 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: great question, so bear with me. But in terms of 684 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: it's called the FDA and the States, isn't it? Is 685 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: that right? 686 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 687 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: How does that? How does that go? You know, like 688 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: Australia is the most over regulated or one of the 689 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: most over regulated countries on the planet. Like everything's like 690 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: everything super duper locked down, and some of that's good, 691 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: but not all of that's good. Is this stuff? Are 692 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: these peptides easily accessible and available? Or is it regulated 693 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: similar to the drugs that Schedule one or whatever it's 694 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: called drugs? 695 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, well, I feel that if there is a percent 696 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: where you are that in America we're underregulated or nicely regulated, 697 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 2: I think that's wrong. I think we're very highly overregulated, 698 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 2: especially in health and wellness, and the FDA historically has 699 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 2: suppressed the ability for doctors to make claims or anyone 700 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: to make claims about a product, including peptides. You can 701 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: get them, you can use them, but they are you 702 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 2: won't you won't find them in a far from a pharmacy. Necessarily, 703 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 2: some compounding pharmacies have them. But these are things you 704 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 2: have to go online and buy yourself through on the 705 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 2: research grade side, which which is perfectly fine. They're you know, 706 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent pure, just like they are 707 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: when they go to the compounding pharmacies. And you've got 708 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: to do your own, you know, experimentation, hopefully under the 709 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 2: guidance or coaching a of a wellness or physician type specialist. 710 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 2: But we're not allowed to make any claims. So if 711 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 2: you think America is the land free speech, there are 712 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: limitations there too. 713 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, a couple of random questions, just because 714 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious, not because it fits within the flow of 715 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: the conversation. So I've never I've never smoked ope in 716 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: my life. I've never I'm probably one of the seven people. 717 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: If you have you ever? I mean unofficially, of course. 718 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 3: Of course, not unofficially. Maybe I was a teenager. Yeah 719 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 3: said it, by the way. 720 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: Did you? 721 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 722 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean if you had have done it, I mean illegal, 723 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: and so you'd never have. 724 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: But if you have, Tay No, No. 725 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,479 Speaker 2: Show is about Tiffany admitting all of her crimes. Last 726 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 2: time it was bringing organic material into the country. 727 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: That's true. 728 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 3: She brought a rock back from supplement do you take 729 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 3: for your memory, Jeff? Because it is one in a million. 730 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 2: I can't remember, And that's funny. What I do for memory, 731 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 2: I exercise. That's the best thing you could do for memory. 732 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: Unless, of course, you forget to guide the gym. Now, now, 733 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: marijuana is like broadly legalized in like a lot. I 734 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: don't know how many states, but it seems like most 735 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: of them. I'm not looking for a criticism or an endorsement, 736 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: but what do you think about that. 737 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it. I don't I 738 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 2: don't you know, I can't speak to the you know, 739 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 2: criminality of it. Some states have allowed it for recreational purposes, 740 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 2: some states have allowed it only for medical purposes. Some 741 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 2: states have not allowed it all the while, the federal 742 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 2: government does not allow it. So you've got all kinds 743 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: of craziness. We've got a bit of civil war here 744 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 2: because the federal government says one thing and the states 745 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 2: say another. So we've got absolute chaos. If you think 746 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 2: Americans are ridiculous, you're absolutely right. But I don't listen. 747 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 2: When I was going to medical school, we had this 748 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 2: textbook on pharmacology, and it talked to you about beta 749 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 2: blockers and things that simulate the heart, and you know 750 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 2: all the things that were found medicinally from plants. And 751 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 2: there was a whole chapter on the cannabinoids of which 752 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: tetrahydro cannabis or cannabis comes from. Right. We skipped that 753 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 2: chapter because I went to medical school, of course, in 754 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 2: the Middle Ages when that was all illegal, so there's 755 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 2: no reason to know about it except for it's evil 756 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 2: and addictive, so we didn't study that. I've never gone 757 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 2: back and read that chapter. But there are health benefits 758 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 2: that I'm learning about from the cannabinoid system. So there 759 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: are potentially health benefits I can't speak to intelligently here 760 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 2: because I just don't know them. But your question is 761 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: a good one. And if you know American government can 762 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 2: pull its head out of it's behind and figure out 763 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 2: what it wants to do here uniformly instead of being 764 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 2: at civil war about it, it would be wonderful. 765 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: My last one is completely weird and irrelevant. But I 766 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: listened to a podcast the other day that went three hours. 767 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: No guess what platform that was on tiff, but they 768 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: were talking with a former governor of Texas. I think 769 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,439 Speaker 1: his name's Rick Perry, and presidential candidate some other guy 770 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: who I forget his name. I feel like it was 771 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: justin someone the most articulate fucker I've ever heard. But 772 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: they're talking about a drug called ibergain that's being used, 773 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: that's used in lots of countries, not in America. It's illegal, 774 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: but which has been proven to be well, allegedly super 775 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,959 Speaker 1: duper effective for people with PTSD. Have you ever heard 776 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: of that doc ibergain? 777 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 2: I have not. 778 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and to you today, no no, no, no no, 779 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: Well it's not in your wheelhouse, and it's it's you're 780 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: not expected to. But I just thought if you knew 781 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: anything about it, because I'd never heard of it till 782 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: the other day either, Right, so I know nothing, but yeah, 783 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: i'd now I'm going to do a little bit of it. 784 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: Just interests me like they people that have have had 785 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: traumatic kind of ongoing mental health issues, for some of 786 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: them ten years, are basically miraculously healed within forty eight hours, 787 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: and then the improvements and the change is sustained over years, 788 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: which sounds like rubbish, But I mean I listened to 789 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: three hours on this and it's it seems pretty solid. 790 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: We'll have it. I'll tell you where you could if 791 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: you're interested. 792 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mission to learn about this and why it's 793 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 2: why is it illegal? You know what, who's losing money 794 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 2: for that to be illegal? That's considian exactly if you 795 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 2: are entertained by American politicians and politics. So are we. 796 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's well, I mean, yeah, I don't 797 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: think we're too dissimilar. But when I've been to America 798 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: a bunch and one of the interesting things and you're 799 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: coming out to Australia because the doctors coming out soon 800 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: to do some workshops every once, so I've bat and 801 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: down the hatches get ready, like one of the things 802 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: I find. And I love America and I love Americans, 803 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: but is just how little the average American knows about 804 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. Like I think probably at 805 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: least seven or eight times I've been asked when I 806 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: was in the States if I drove, like how I 807 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: got how I got to America, and whether or not 808 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: I drove. 809 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 2: Isn't there a bridge or a tunnel? 810 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be yeah. I mean it's a four 811 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 1: to and hour flight, so that would be a big drive, 812 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: and that would be a pretty big bridge. 813 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 2: So no, I think I think Elon Musk is working 814 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 2: on it right now as we speak. 815 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a tunnel. I think it's a tunnel. Hey, 816 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: how do people find you and connect with you and 817 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: all that good stuff? 818 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 2: Well, they stay listening to the U Project because for 819 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 2: some reason, I'm now a regular and you can find 820 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 2: me at re celebrate dot com. Our e C E 821 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 2: L L E B R A T E. That's our 822 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 2: our website, it's our Instagram, it's our LinkedIn, it's our everything. 823 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: Perfect than well, chat off airbit for the moment. Thanks again, Doc, 824 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: You're amazing good sport and we really enjoy having you 825 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: as part of the team and sharing your vast knowledge 826 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: with us and experience. Thanks again, Thanks again, even though 827 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: you don't know what fucking eibergain is. 828 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 2: Thank thank you for for quizzing me to to till 829 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 2: to to failure. 830 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's my job. You're welcome.