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Speaker 1: It's Monday. Thank you so much for listening to the show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Better than Yesterday, useful tools and useful conversations,

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Speaker 2: making it better every single week since twenty thirteen. My

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Speaker 2: name's Osha Ginsberg. I'm very very glad you're here. Before

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Speaker 2: we dive in. It's book launch week, fifth of August.

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Speaker 2: Book is out. Get yours right now. The link is

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Speaker 2: in the show notes. Hopefully fingers crossed Big Live Tour

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Speaker 2: announcement coming up as well. Just a few technical bells

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Speaker 2: and whistles to lock off before we do that, but

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Speaker 1: So what now what?

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Speaker 2: I've sold a couple at recent events. I've been able

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Speaker 2: to get some and people have been really really responsive

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it.

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Speaker 2: People are really excited about it, and I can't wait

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Speaker 2: for you to read it as well. Story Club August tenth,

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Speaker 2: we have a special guest subbing in for Jenfricka who

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Speaker 2: got a gig Overseas.

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Speaker 1: She's going to fly out.

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Speaker 2: Rob Carton's going to join us on August to tenth,

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Speaker 2: as well as Karen Ferry from Gruin as Luke, Heggy

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Speaker 2: geez Vermer and my wife Audrew Griffin August Tan Factory Theater.

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Speaker 2: Get your tickets right now. You can get all the

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Speaker 2: links in the show notes. So I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: you come and check it out and say hi, because

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Speaker 2: we'll be there. So Sam Wood was here the other day.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastic. It was just so good to reflect

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Speaker 2: on his life and the journey that he's been on,

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Speaker 2: but also got me thinking about purpose, No, not the

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Speaker 2: other dolphin. Purpose specifically a three letter word that if

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Speaker 2: you're under twenty five you spell with one letter Why

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Speaker 2: Why are you.

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Speaker 1: Doing what you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Particularly when it comes to something that requires effort, whether

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Speaker 2: that is you know, for example, Sam's dedication, a regular exercise,

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Speaker 2: or just showing up to work, you know, when you'd

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Speaker 2: rather be hanging out with your family. There's a famous saying,

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Speaker 2: if you figure out your why the how, we'll take

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Speaker 2: care of itself. And there's solid science behind this, and

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Speaker 2: I've lived it firsthand because while I've done the same

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Speaker 2: be radio or television, why I've done that job has

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Speaker 2: changed remarkably. The stratispheric difference in not only my experience

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Speaker 2: but my outcomes from my work reflects the power of

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Speaker 2: why I do the things.

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Speaker 1: That I do.

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Speaker 2: But here's something that is kind of fascinating. Sometimes our

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Speaker 2: I've learned this the hard way, and at one point

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story right after the break. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about why why do you do this?

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Speaker 2: When I first started playing in bands, playing bassed long Hair,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I could see it now. It didn't work.

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Speaker 2: But as the shows that we worked on got increasingly successful.

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Speaker 2: everything just got way worse, way, way, way worse. What

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Speaker 2: In sobriety, I was taught to be of service to others,

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Speaker 2: This meant not just being on time, being early, being

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Speaker 2: Understanding why you're doing something is really really important when

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Speaker 2: He's never met a person with a six pack who's happy,

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Speaker 2: go on this adventure with you for book number two.

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