WEBVTT - Trump and Albanese’s new friendship

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you very much. It's great to have the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister of Australia. Fantastic place and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>friends over there, and this is one of them right here.

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<v Speaker 1>The prime ministers, as you know, Anthony Orberanici and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and Anthony Alberzi have finally had their first

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<v Speaker 2>formal meeting. And while Trump is used to a procession

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<v Speaker 2>of world leaders going through his door, there was more

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<v Speaker 2>at stake for Alberanzi, who's attempting to manage an increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>difficult relationship. In the end, the two leaders managed to

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<v Speaker 2>strike a deal on critical minerals and keep the Orchest

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<v Speaker 2>deal seemingly on track, but there are lingering questions about

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<v Speaker 2>what that deal will mean for our relationship with China,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as whether Kevin Rudd can stay on as ambassador.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven Am Today

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<v Speaker 2>Press Gallery journalist Karen Middleton on what went on inside

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<v Speaker 2>the room when the two leaders met and what it

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<v Speaker 2>all means for the Australia US Alliance. It's Wednesday, October

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, so, Karen, the Trump Albanezy meeting has finally

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<v Speaker 2>gone ahead. So when the two sat down together what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a very positive meeting. Johnald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was effusive about the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great honor to have you as my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great honor to have you in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States of America.

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<v Speaker 3>They signed this critical minerals deal, and I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was important that there'd be a substantive outcome the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian government could point to, and they've been working hard

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<v Speaker 3>on that deal. Ambassador Kevin rid in Washington's been working

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<v Speaker 3>very hard on locking that in for But we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are discussing critical minerals and rare earths and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be signing an agreement that's been negotiated over a

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<v Speaker 1>period of four or five months. And it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a good timing.

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<v Speaker 3>He was very positive about Anthony Alvinezy, about being a

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<v Speaker 3>popular prime minister, that he's a good prime minister, that

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<v Speaker 3>he was governing well, so much so that I think

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanis he actually equipped that he'd be happy to

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<v Speaker 3>use that exchange in his campaign advertising for the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eight elections. The other thing that the Australian government

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted from this meeting, which was a positive sentiment

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<v Speaker 3>about the August submarine deal. You saw the Navy Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>called upon to give an update.

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<v Speaker 4>What we're really trying to do is take the original

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<v Speaker 4>Orchest framework and improve it for all three parties, to

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<v Speaker 4>make it better, to clarify some of the ambiguity that

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<v Speaker 4>was in the prior agreement. So it should be a

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<v Speaker 4>win win for.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, and the President himself, although there was still a

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<v Speaker 3>question about further details, he was endorsing the deal and

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<v Speaker 3>saying it will proceed, You will get submarines and that

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<v Speaker 3>will be a great comfort just getting that on the

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<v Speaker 3>public record to be Australian government correct.

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<v Speaker 1>It shouldn't be any more clarifications because we're just going

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<v Speaker 1>now full steam ahead buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that is a relief. But Trump wasn't positive

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<v Speaker 2>about everyone. He certainly wasn't positive about the US ambassador,

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<v Speaker 2>about Kevin Rudd. We heard him tell Rudd that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like him and that he never will. What is

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<v Speaker 2>your read on that interaction and what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to mean for Rudd's role.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a fascinating and very awkward moment in

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<v Speaker 3>the exchange. It was all lighthearted and if you watch

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<v Speaker 3>the full exchange and listen to it, you can get

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<v Speaker 3>the sense of the President was sort of jabbing and

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<v Speaker 3>joking at the same time. It was a question asked

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<v Speaker 3>by Sky News, is Andrew Clennel.

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<v Speaker 5>This administration with the stance on Palestine, climate change, or

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<v Speaker 5>even things the ambassador said about you in the past.

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<v Speaker 4>He's trained ambassador.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about him. And if you said

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<v Speaker 1>bad then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>When the President says, oh, does he still work for you?

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<v Speaker 3>And rud has to do a little wave, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kevin Right is hard to hear underneath, but he

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<v Speaker 3>actually says, first thing, he says, well, it was all

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was some time ago. But when the

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<v Speaker 3>President says that, Kevin Wright actually says, I withdraw those relanksositions.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't like you either and probably never will

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>So he did make that effort in the room at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, and then we're told afterwards he did approach

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<v Speaker 3>the President and say that he apologized, and the President,

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<v Speaker 3>we are told, said words to the effect of.

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<v Speaker 2>All is forgiven.

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<v Speaker 3>So look, in the end, what you've got in that

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<v Speaker 3>White House is a situation where you've got the president

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<v Speaker 3>who calls the shots. But this president in particular has

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<v Speaker 3>people around him who are very eager to fight his

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<v Speaker 3>battles for him, and so they are taking their cues

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<v Speaker 3>from the President. And there have been those in the

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<v Speaker 3>White House that have been antagonist towards Kevin Rudd. What

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<v Speaker 3>this may do in the end is it may end

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<v Speaker 3>up kind of calming things down a little because the president,

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<v Speaker 3>if indeed he is saying, Okay, let's we're done now,

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<v Speaker 3>let's forget about that, this may enable that issue to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, have been aired and dealt with, and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>things are actually going to be better from here.

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<v Speaker 5>On in.

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<v Speaker 2>And Karen, we spoke about the press in the room,

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<v Speaker 2>the journalists asking Trump and Alban easy questions. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one notable exception, though, the ABC's America's editor, John Lyons.

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<v Speaker 2>The ABC says he applied to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>journalists covering that meeting, which makes sense, but that the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister's office rejected that request. And this comes obviously

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<v Speaker 2>after Lyons asked Trump a series of questions about his

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<v Speaker 2>personal business dealings. Sell appropriate President Frank that a president

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<v Speaker 2>in office should be engaged in.

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<v Speaker 3>So much business activity.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm really not. My kids are running the business

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<v Speaker 5>and you know what the activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you from the Australian broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 5>The Australias. You're hurting Australia. In my opinion, you are

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<v Speaker 5>hurting Australia very much right now. Now they want to

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<v Speaker 5>get along with me. You know your your leader is

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<v Speaker 5>coming over to see me. I'm going to tell them

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<v Speaker 5>about you. You said a very bad talent, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead questions, which clearly irritated Trump a few weeks ago. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so what should we make of the Prime Minister's Officer's

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<v Speaker 2>decision to deny Lyon's entry.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting, it's not the first time that the

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister's Office made a decision to exclude people like

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<v Speaker 3>that has happened from time to time. If they have

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<v Speaker 3>excluded John Lyons, it may also be because that program

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<v Speaker 3>that he was asking questions about on Donald Trump's finances

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<v Speaker 3>actually went to air on four corners before the meeting,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm sure the government might have preferred hadn't occurred.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe they've made a decision specifically to keep him

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<v Speaker 3>out for that reason. Going back generations, when I used

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<v Speaker 3>to travel with prime ministers, there was often pressure from

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<v Speaker 3>the Whitehouse to restrict the numbers who went into the

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<v Speaker 3>Oval Office, and there was a lot of pushback from

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<v Speaker 3>the Australian side to those suggested restrictions, and there was

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<v Speaker 3>some success over the years in allowing all of the

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<v Speaker 3>traveling media to go in. Subsequently, when Tony Abbott was

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister, when Julia Gillard was Prime Minister, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>push back as hard, and there were numbers restrictions and

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<v Speaker 3>there were ballots held. I managed to be excluded in

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<v Speaker 3>two of those ballots. It was interesting that I happened

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<v Speaker 3>to me twice. I'm either really unlucky or sometimes you

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<v Speaker 3>can be locked out of the room for reasons of numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes because people want you to be locked out of

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<v Speaker 3>the room. It doesn't look under this administration like they

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<v Speaker 3>particularly restrict numbers. He has large media contingents asking him questions.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's one to follow up. I guess with the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian government whether they had a particular reason for leaving

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<v Speaker 3>John Mines outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up critical minerals and the balancing act between China

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<v Speaker 2>and the US, Karen. The headline news out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump Albanese meeting was the eight point five billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>critical minerals deal.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's in it, Well, it's a joint investment proposition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's involving a billion US dollars from each of the

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<v Speaker 3>two countries. It's designed to secure the supply chain.

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<v Speaker 1>In about a year from now, we'll have so much

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<v Speaker 1>critical mineral and rarer said, you won't know what to

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<v Speaker 1>do with them. They'll be worth about two dollars. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime we're working with Australia and other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>They're working well.

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<v Speaker 3>And the timing of all this is good for Australia

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<v Speaker 3>because we've seen China, which has a sort of vicelight

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<v Speaker 3>grip on the supply of rare earths and critical minerals

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<v Speaker 3>around the world, announcing restrictions on its export of those

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of minerals in recent days in response to the

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<v Speaker 3>tariff punishment that Donald Trump has meted out to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they don't do business with US, I think

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<v Speaker 1>China is in big trouble. I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think China is. I don't know that they even

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<v Speaker 1>make it, I really do. I believe that they're in

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<v Speaker 1>big trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are something like seventeen critical minerals China is

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<v Speaker 3>restricting the export of about twelve of them. They not

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<v Speaker 3>only dominate the production but also the processing of them

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<v Speaker 3>around the world. So this Australian proposed deal with the

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<v Speaker 3>US offers the United States another source for critical minerals

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<v Speaker 3>that helps to try and break that group with China.

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<v Speaker 3>It involves, in the first instance, a couple of key projects,

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<v Speaker 3>the first one in Western Australia and then one in

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<v Speaker 3>the Northern Territory, and the first one in the West

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<v Speaker 3>Australian one is actually a trilateral venture involving Japan as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So it becomes a way of those three countries in

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<v Speaker 3>engaging on commodities that are important to the whole world

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly important to the three countries militaries in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of military technology and technology generally. So, Anthony Albanezi, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>be very very happy that it's been He says it's

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<v Speaker 3>worth about ultimately about eight and a half billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in total, and they did actually sit there at the

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<v Speaker 3>table and sign those documents for what he calls a

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<v Speaker 3>framework agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Given what you're saying about this really being about the

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<v Speaker 2>US trying to counter its reliance on China when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to these materials. Is making a deal like this

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<v Speaker 2>with the US risking our relationship with China.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is the difficulty that Australia and the Australian

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<v Speaker 3>government faces trying to finesse the landscape between security and

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<v Speaker 3>military issues and trade issues. You know, we are very

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<v Speaker 3>dependent on China still for trade and for our economic success.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we did see recently with China making that

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<v Speaker 3>decision about restrictions on export of minerals, that's a plus

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<v Speaker 3>for Australia in the context of minerals. The downside of that, though,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the response from some in the US administration

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<v Speaker 3>was to call on their allies and friends to decouple

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<v Speaker 3>from China in an economic sense. Now Australia certainly doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to do that, It doesn't want to go that far.

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<v Speaker 3>So it has to balance in its relationship with the

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<v Speaker 3>US its own economic interests and security interests around China,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's got to balance those in its relationship with China.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting that on the eve of the

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<v Speaker 3>meeting between Donald Trump and Anthony Albanezi we saw revelations

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<v Speaker 3>of another skirmish involving the Chinese military and the Australian military.

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<v Speaker 3>Surveillance flights being interfered with, allegedly by Chinese military, prompting

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<v Speaker 3>Australia to make a forceful complaint to the Chinese government.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is tension still on the military side, on

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<v Speaker 3>the security side in our relationship with China, and the

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<v Speaker 3>government is trying to walk this line between having warmed

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<v Speaker 3>up the frozen relationship on the trade issues that existed

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<v Speaker 3>under Scott Morrison's administration now try and balance these security

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<v Speaker 3>questions and when there's a complicated relationship between the US

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<v Speaker 3>and China as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump was also asked about whether he would consider

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<v Speaker 2>removing tariffs on Australian exports, including that fifty percent tariff

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<v Speaker 2>on steel and aluminium. Why does America such goody tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>ot of friends?

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<v Speaker 1>And well, we don't, yeah, what we do in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>We do in many cases because we've been treated unfairly.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually the tariffs are very late.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing is, you may he appears to not

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<v Speaker 2>be budging on that though, So how damaging is that

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<v Speaker 2>outcome both for the Australian economy but also for Albanezi Politically.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the government will probably try to cut its losses,

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<v Speaker 3>certainly for the steel and aluminium industry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not good news.

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<v Speaker 3>I know the Department of Foreign Affairs was pressing when

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<v Speaker 3>Australia got a ten percent tariff overall to not make

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<v Speaker 3>too much of a fuss about tariffs because we were

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<v Speaker 3>getting off lightly compared to other countries. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>certainly the message that President Trump delivered at that table

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<v Speaker 3>with Anthony Alberanezi beside him. You know you've only got

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<v Speaker 3>ten percent. Other countries are a lot worse off. So

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<v Speaker 3>look at maybe the case that the government comes out

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<v Speaker 3>of the meeting saying, look, we got the key headline

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<v Speaker 3>things that we were after, we'll keep working on the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 3>He's clearly not for turning on that at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'd be happy with the outcome that you ended

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<v Speaker 3>up getting.

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<v Speaker 2>And so ca. It sounds like this meeting went about

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<v Speaker 2>as well for alban Easy as he could have hoped for.

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<v Speaker 2>But how difficult do you think Australia's position is right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Because on the one hand, the US is obviously an

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<v Speaker 2>important ally to Australia, it always has been. But on

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, there is this deepening ideological divide between

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<v Speaker 2>the US and a lot of Western countries, including Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>So how tricky is it for the government to navigate

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<v Speaker 2>the practical part of the partnership, the submarines, the trade

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<v Speaker 2>deals while also weighing that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, this is a this is an unusual president,

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<v Speaker 3>and so this is a different relationship naturally between the

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<v Speaker 3>two countries than it has been under previous administrations. For

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<v Speaker 3>that reason, I mean, Australia has always been able to

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<v Speaker 3>fall back on history in its relationship with the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>and successive Australian governments have made the point that the

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<v Speaker 3>alliance is stronger than any one administration either here or there,

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<v Speaker 3>that it transcends personalities. It's not like that with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>The personality and his way of doing things is dramatically

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<v Speaker 3>different than his predecessors. So you can't fall back on

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<v Speaker 3>that tradition and that history anymore. And it requires a

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<v Speaker 3>different way of thinking. I think it's a more transactional

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<v Speaker 3>way of thinking. That's a word we use all the

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<v Speaker 3>time in relation to Donald Trump and the US administration.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Australian government has to argue its case more forcefully.

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<v Speaker 3>What it brings to the relationship, what it offers to

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<v Speaker 3>the US administration, what the US needs from Australia, So

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<v Speaker 3>we have to be more vigilant about it. We have

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<v Speaker 3>to make more effort, We have to keep a closer

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<v Speaker 3>eye on it. And what are we prepared to hold

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<v Speaker 3>our ground on and what must we hold our ground on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a slightly different way of thinking about the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>than it might have been for administration's past.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Karen, thank you so much for your time. Thanks Ruby.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news, the United States has sent its

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<v Speaker 2>senior advisors to meet Israel's Prime minister in Jerusalem to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss security challenges following a peace agreement between Israel and Tamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner have met Benjamin ette Yahu

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<v Speaker 2>after a weekend of renewed violence when Israel's military launched

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<v Speaker 2>air strikes that Gaza's health ministry says killed at least

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<v Speaker 2>forty five Palestinians. Despite the escalation, both Israel and Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>have reaffirmed their commitment to the ceasefire, and Federal Opposition

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<v Speaker 2>leader Susan Lee is calling for Australia's ambassador to the US,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Rudd, to resign following his exchange in the Oval

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<v Speaker 2>Office with Donald Trump. Over comments made by Rudd in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one in which he described Trump as a

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<v Speaker 2>village idiot. Despite the President reportedly saying all is forgiven,

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee says she's standing by her calls for Rudd

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<v Speaker 2>to stand down. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven AM.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.