Speaker 1: Amana Phillips, Welcome to the podcast and thank you for
Speaker 1: returning The Fever.
Speaker 2: Oh I love a good pod swap, I really really do.
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved having you on my podcast recently. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if you guys enjoy our chat today, head over to
Speaker 2: my podcast as well, and we talk about all sorts
Speaker 2: of different stuff. But you and I could talk all
Speaker 2: day underwater, shared interests, shared values.
Speaker 1: I love it exactly. And your podcast just for those
Speaker 1: is called The Healthy Her. Now, like me, you're an
Speaker 1: exercise scientist. You're also a nutritionist. You're also a researcher,
Speaker 1: but you also specialize in online programs and biotech, which
Speaker 1: I've dabbled in, but I think you're a lot more successful.
Speaker 1: And you are the coach and the TV show, the
Speaker 1: Australian TV show Do you Want to Live Forever? You're
Speaker 1: also the founder of Vitality three sixty and a podcaster.
Speaker 1: Clearly you're a bit like me with the devil mix
Speaker 1: work for your idle hands. So you've got to keep yourself.
Speaker 2: Busy one hundred percent. And also how lucky do you
Speaker 2: feel to be in an industry where you never stop
Speaker 2: learning and where you wake up in the morning and
Speaker 2: your mind gets blown again and again. Like twenty six
Speaker 2: years in this industry, you'd think i'd be a bit
Speaker 2: jaded or sick of it by now, But even in
Speaker 2: the last five years, I have got more fire in
Speaker 2: my belly and more motivation than I had ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Because technology evolves, the research evolves, and we are literally
Speaker 2: saving lives and extending health span and it's happening every day,
Speaker 2: And like I just wake up, go I'm like a
Speaker 2: kid in a candy store. I'm like, Okay, well, what else?
Speaker 2: What else is gonna What amazing new trial is going
Speaker 2: to be released that shows us how we can extend
Speaker 2: our healthpan? So yeah, I feel pretty lucky to love
Speaker 2: what I do as well.
Speaker 1: I totally agree it's a lot better than being a banker.
Speaker 1: No offense to all of the bankers that I know,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot, but it is nice to
Speaker 1: do something for a living that you would do in
Speaker 1: your spur time. Anyway, and we met fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: I reckon about fifteen years ago at an after party
Speaker 1: for a rather large event.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you were dressed as a smurf?
Speaker 1: Was I y?
Speaker 2: And you were so drunk. If you could imagine a
Speaker 2: six foot something drunk smurf. That's that's you were introduced.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I was still talking today.
Speaker 1: God, that's funny. I'll tell you what it's from the UK.
Speaker 1: Will not be surprised to know that I was dressed
Speaker 1: as a smurf. It's been I was about to say
Speaker 1: it's been quite a while since I was dressed as
Speaker 1: a spurf, but actually it's been about six months since
Speaker 1: I was dressed as a spurf.
Speaker 2: Is this your thing? One of your like cheeky you know,
Speaker 2: behind closed doors or fetish, Well.
Speaker 1: Not so much behind closed I have a first. I
Speaker 1: first smurfed Jesus twenty five maybe years ago. I was
Speaker 1: introduced by me and mine Jason, and and we went
Speaker 1: on smurfing. I think it was might have been my
Speaker 1: stag Do or his stag Do, I can't remember who's
Speaker 1: but I just loved it.
Speaker 3: And we had a garga male like this is about fifteen.
Speaker 1: Smurfs and a gargamele, and my my wife was dressed
Speaker 1: up as the cat as well.
Speaker 2: Ah, I like it.
Speaker 1: And I loved it so much that I now have
Speaker 1: a rule that if anybody visits me from the U
Speaker 1: UK and we go out dressed up as smurfs and
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 2: The piss God.
Speaker 3: And I'm very serious about it.
Speaker 1: I only ordered the best blue theater piant and and
Speaker 1: so I'll tell you a little. This is an unexpected
Speaker 1: little rabbit told that we're going down. But me and
Speaker 1: of mine at Tyrone, who may or may not be listening,
Speaker 1: has been pestering me for years to go to a
Speaker 1: music festival. And then I eventually agreed last year and
Speaker 1: I said, right, I will go to a music festival
Speaker 1: if you allow me to choose the color. And he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, sure, whatever, And so I think it
Speaker 1: was five of us went and I brought five smurf
Speaker 1: outfits and we all got dressed up as smurfs and
Speaker 1: it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: See, look, health experts don't have to be boring and
Speaker 2: don't have to you know, color in the lines. You
Speaker 2: can have a lot of fun. And you, my friend,
Speaker 2: know how to have a good time. And I love
Speaker 2: that about you. But yes, I clearly didn't hold it
Speaker 2: against you. Could hear We are fifteen years later, indeed, and.
Speaker 1: Then let's not make this about smurfing. Let's get back
Speaker 1: on track. And however you would make a good smurfet
Speaker 1: with your long long.
Speaker 2: Term I just pray, all right, well, I'm I'm open
Speaker 2: to having my arm twisted for the right event.
Speaker 1: Be careful what you say. So let's talk about longevity.
Speaker 1: We're both geeks in this longevity space and the health
Speaker 1: span space, and there is so much stuff out there,
Speaker 1: a lot of it good and a lot of it horseshit.
Speaker 1: So let's just kind of go through. I'll just throw
Speaker 1: it over to you.
Speaker 3: Separate the week from the chaff.
Speaker 1: Right, So, what is this stuff that you think is
Speaker 1: good that's out there that people should be listening to,
Speaker 1: And what's the crappy stuff or the yet to be
Speaker 1: demonstrated yet to have the science demonstrated to the level
Speaker 1: that the influencers talk about.
Speaker 2: Shall we say, yeah, I love all the TikTok trends
Speaker 2: you see doing the rounds, and look, a lot of
Speaker 2: them are horseshit, as you say, But then every now
Speaker 2: and again, some of them actually do have some evidence
Speaker 2: behind them, or they've got just an adherence the way
Speaker 2: that they're designed. Some of those TikTok trends actually are
Speaker 2: really easy to adhere to, or they're motivating. But before
Speaker 2: I kind of go into the specifics I will often
Speaker 2: talk to people about. I call it the ladder approach
Speaker 2: when you think about your health, and we do this
Speaker 2: in nutrition but also overarching when you think about your health,
Speaker 2: imagine this ladder analogy where the very bottom rung of
Speaker 2: the ladder is, you know, don't do stupid shit, don't
Speaker 2: poison yourself, so get off the drugs, get off the alcohol.
Speaker 2: And you think of this ladder approach almost like a
Speaker 2: health ladder. So what you've got the bottom of the
Speaker 2: rung is that you know, don't step in front of
Speaker 2: a bus and get hit by a bus, don't take
Speaker 2: illicit drugs unless you're smurfhing, and and then you go up,
Speaker 2: you know, and then it's like cut the crap food,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're eating your takeout and your KFC
Speaker 2: all the time. So what I see happening as we
Speaker 2: climb up the ladder, you then you know, you get
Speaker 2: to all right, should I be going for I'm having
Speaker 2: a really healthy whole foods diet, So should I now
Speaker 2: be going towards more organic foods? What I see is
Speaker 2: people on the bottom rungs of those ladders who might
Speaker 2: be carrying excess body fat. They might have some really
Speaker 2: poor lifestyle choices. You know, they might not be exercising,
Speaker 2: and they're the ones coming to me saying things like,
Speaker 2: should I be taping my mouth shut? Should I be
Speaker 2: doing hot cold therapy?
Speaker 1: Kicking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, should I be taking these supplements? And you
Speaker 2: know they're geeking out over supplements, but they're overeating and
Speaker 2: under exercising. So I think when you look at the
Speaker 2: whole landscape of all the health you know, habits and behaviors,
Speaker 2: we can make see where you are on the ladder.
Speaker 2: And if you're I mean a lot of your listeners
Speaker 2: are going to be very, very health literate and probably
Speaker 2: well and truly up the ladder. So if you're into
Speaker 2: the one or the two percenters, then yes, some of
Speaker 2: these trends and some of these more innovative you know
Speaker 2: techniques or for example, hydrogen water, for example, mouth taping,
Speaker 2: cold plunges, you know, really specific supplements like creatine and
Speaker 2: things like that. That's when you're up there, then yes,
Speaker 2: let's have a conversation about that. But if you're not
Speaker 2: sleeping well, if you're not getting regular exercise, if you're
Speaker 2: not managing your body composition, then you've got to focus
Speaker 2: on those things first. So I just want to caveat
Speaker 2: all of this by.
Speaker 1: Saying that, yeah, look, very very good point. And I
Speaker 1: often talk about you don't build a five million dollar
Speaker 1: house on shiit house foundations, right, You wouldn't build it
Speaker 1: on sand. So getting the foundations right, and I talk
Speaker 1: about four pillars, four foundational pillars, which pretty much what
Speaker 1: you said exercise, good nutrition, and sleep and recovery and
Speaker 1: mindset right. And if you have those four then you
Speaker 1: can build all the fancy shit on top of it.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have those, for all that fancy
Speaker 1: stuff is going to be not all wasted, but certainly
Speaker 1: suboptimal and not the best use of your time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And look, I always feel like this saying energy
Speaker 2: goes where focus flows. Oh sorry, I've got that wrong.
Speaker 2: Energy flows where focus goes. So I deal with everyday
Speaker 2: people all the time. So my programs, I've got over
Speaker 2: a thousand members on our Vitality three sixty platform and
Speaker 2: we've got everything from the complete biohackers to you know,
Speaker 2: people that have struggled their whole life with their weight.
Speaker 2: And what I do see is quite commonly people focusing
Speaker 2: on one small element like supplements, for example, when they
Speaker 2: haven't got those other pieces in place, and they think that, oh,
Speaker 2: if I take my oinosatole for my insulin resistance, that's
Speaker 2: going to solve everything. But actually no, it's the harder
Speaker 2: stuff unfortunately, and the stuff that you know, like exercising
Speaker 2: more and managing your sleep, that is really going to
Speaker 2: move the need. Also, I try to work really hard
Speaker 2: to create simple strategies that make those much bigger levers
Speaker 2: like the four foundational pillars you just mentioned, easier to
Speaker 2: manage and not get distracted by those those little two percenters,
Speaker 2: because they really do you know, they really can be distracting.
Speaker 2: And so the same thing with health. You see a
Speaker 2: lot of people talking about all these fancy and advanced tests,
Speaker 2: but are you getting your annual breast cancer screening? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you doing it PREDENTI yeah, screens as well. So
Speaker 2: that would just be my other little warning bell you get.
Speaker 2: We get all excited about these new and innovative tests,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of really important tests out there
Speaker 2: that we should be getting, you know, cervical screens for women,
Speaker 2: annual skin checks. Just make sure you're doing all that
Speaker 2: foundational stuff before we get to fancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we will come into tests and biomarkers
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. But if we come back
Speaker 1: to and the topic of longevity and health span, and
Speaker 1: let's take that probably the most controversial pillar, which is
Speaker 1: the one of nutrition.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: There are so many opinions out there around nutrition. And
Speaker 1: I always say that anybody who tells you there's one
Speaker 1: diet that everybody should be eating is either demented, or
Speaker 1: they're trying to sell you something, or they're a member
Speaker 1: of a cult.
Speaker 2: Three I agree with you one.
Speaker 1: So what what advice do you give to the people
Speaker 1: that you work with around nutrition?
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent agree. I don't. I don't attest
Speaker 2: to having one particular dietary pattern that you know that
Speaker 2: I focus on. If that had to pick one, and
Speaker 2: one only the Mediterranean diet. And that's where I hear
Speaker 2: everyone roll their eyes and go oh, but it's just
Speaker 2: nowhere near as click baity as carnival diet.
Speaker 1: Or it's boring.
Speaker 3: But there's so much research behind you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think when it comes to diet, it's
Speaker 2: more important about the pattern. And you'll hear a lot
Speaker 2: of researches talking about someone's dietary pattern, which means that
Speaker 2: you know, the pattern overall might be a lower carbohydrate pattern,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean there's no carbohydrates in it. For example.
Speaker 2: But in a nutshell, we are talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean style, where we're dialing up all those nutrient
Speaker 2: dense foods, the fibrous foods, we are dialing down the
Speaker 2: ultra processed foods. We're dialing up a lot of those
Speaker 2: anti inflammatory foods that contain a lot of polyphenols. So
Speaker 2: we're talking about extra you know, cold press extra virgin
Speaker 2: olive oil. The challenge with this is for people listening,
Speaker 2: they go, oh, well, that's a bit confusing because it
Speaker 2: doesn't have those binary I can't eat this and I
Speaker 2: have to eat that. And I think that's where a
Speaker 2: lot of these diets get traction, because if you're just like, hey,
Speaker 2: you just have to cut all carbs and only eat meat,
Speaker 2: will people kind of go, oh, well, I can handle that,
Speaker 2: but I will say a few things. So with that said,
Speaker 2: just a general healthy diet overall, I do find my
Speaker 2: ladies do respond very well to a lower carbohydrate diet,
Speaker 2: particularly less carbohydrates in the second half of the days,
Speaker 2: as in high GI foods because once we're hitting that perimenopause,
Speaker 2: and even for men as well, once they're getting into
Speaker 2: that older over fifties bracket, our blood sugar regulation does
Speaker 2: get impacted. And I just find that people do respond
Speaker 2: better and generally when you take out the high GI foods,
Speaker 2: it means that you're creating more space for more protein.
Speaker 2: You're creating more space for nutrient dense foods as well,
Speaker 2: because if your plate's not full of mash or pasta,
Speaker 2: then it's probably going to be full of some healthy,
Speaker 2: lean proteins, so that would be cutting the cubs down
Speaker 2: definitely at night. I find works really well. Increasing protein intake.
Speaker 2: I mean protein and fiber combined is Nature's a zenpic
Speaker 2: You if you love that.
Speaker 1: I really like protein and fiber are natures and I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: Because it's all about slowing that gastric emptying. Zempic works
Speaker 2: because people feel full of for longer. There's lots of obviously,
Speaker 2: lots of other factors at play, but if you can
Speaker 2: feel full of for longer, you're obviously going to be
Speaker 2: less inclined to reach for the unhealthy, high sugar, high fat,
Speaker 2: high salt foods so yeah, fiber protein combined is a
Speaker 2: real winner.
Speaker 4: So I'm sorry, no, can I just jump in there
Speaker 4: just with so there is there's a sub section of
Speaker 4: the longevity crowd who are very.
Speaker 1: Pro low protein. So they would say that protein active
Speaker 1: as M tour. An M tour is basically an eedging
Speaker 1: switch because it's a growth pattern and it encourages cancer
Speaker 1: growth and all sorts of other stuff. But I think
Speaker 1: that the research around this is really not clear on humans.
Speaker 1: You know, they often talk about animal studies. The one
Speaker 1: human study I think on that was the biosphere which
Speaker 1: went horribly wrong, and they had calorie restriction and low protein,
Speaker 1: and yes they had some biomarkers that would suggest that
Speaker 1: they may live longer, but they were friggin miserable, they
Speaker 1: were depressed, they had no libido, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing for people to understand is
Speaker 1: that as you get older, your ability for muscle protein
Speaker 1: synthesis degree. Its just like your ability to process glucose degreds.
Speaker 1: And so for me, if you want to strike the balance,
Speaker 1: it's eight three meters a day.
Speaker 3: Throw the snacks.
Speaker 2: Away, right, Yeah, we don't, we do. We don't need
Speaker 2: to snack over the age of fifty forty.
Speaker 1: I mean, we really do not need to snack, and
Speaker 1: you need to snack if your blood sugar's going crazy
Speaker 1: because you're eating too much carbohydrate and not enough protein,
Speaker 1: and you'll feel fuller for longer. To your point if
Speaker 1: you have more protein and fiber, and you'll find then
Speaker 1: that three mills a day will do you. And then
Speaker 1: you're only switching on M tour three times.
Speaker 3: But M tour is important for muscle.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at mice, a lot
Speaker 1: of them get killed by cancer. And that's why having
Speaker 1: low M tour extensor lifespan. But more people die of
Speaker 1: scyclopaia related diseases than cancer.
Speaker 2: Right, I was literally about to jump in and say,
Speaker 2: other than heart disease, frailty related death and illness and
Speaker 2: death is up there. I think it is the number
Speaker 2: two cause of death, don't quote me on that in
Speaker 2: the elderly population, after heart disease. And so when you
Speaker 2: think of the fact that we are all going to
Speaker 2: be older longer because we are doing all these great
Speaker 2: longevity protocols, we're going to be old for a long time,
Speaker 2: and so that body composition, as in bone health, managing
Speaker 2: body fat, managing muscle mass, preventing cyclopenia, osteopenia, osteoporosis is
Speaker 2: really really important. And so I know Petertia has this
Speaker 2: great analogy which I think is just is so good
Speaker 2: where you want to hit those elderly years at the
Speaker 2: top of your game from a strength perspective, from a
Speaker 2: mobility perspective, because you're going to decline no matter what.
Speaker 2: You want to be declining from up here, not entering
Speaker 2: it in a pre frailty position where then you really
Speaker 2: you're already behind the eight ball. And so that's why
Speaker 2: I think, yes, I understand where the researchers are coming
Speaker 2: from and where that theory is around protein, But for me,
Speaker 2: managing muscle and protecting muscle way more important is a
Speaker 2: much bigger priority.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not just the direct causes of cyclopenia
Speaker 1: such as osteoporosis and falls, which are big killers, but
Speaker 1: it's the contribution of cyclopedia to diabetes, to dementia, to
Speaker 1: heart disease, to all of those things. So if you
Speaker 1: wrapped it all up, I think you'd find that that
Speaker 1: cyclopaia is that probably the biggest driver if you looked
Speaker 1: at direct and indirect effects. I reckon you probably find
Speaker 1: it's right at the top of the tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and i'd love to understand mitochondrial impacts on that
Speaker 2: as well, because obviously mitochondria the you know, the largest
Speaker 2: amount that we have is in our muscles, and so
Speaker 2: if we've had a massive decline there, i'd love to
Speaker 2: understand when you're looking at MTUR and then you're looking
Speaker 2: at mitochondria, you know where the which one outweighs the other,
Speaker 2: because we obviously want that mitochondria function to be as
Speaker 2: as high as possible for as long as possible.
Speaker 1: Completely agree, and that's why I think they am to
Speaker 1: our guys, they're just way too narrow, way too narrow.
Speaker 1: And so look that takes care of the of the
Speaker 1: nutrition bucket, and I think we're both in agreement a
Speaker 1: kind of a modified Mediterranean diet with higher protein, lower carbs,
Speaker 1: especially as you get older or if you have fat
Speaker 1: around the middle, that's a bloody carbohydrate problem, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's then go in and talk about rather than
Speaker 1: do a detailed one on each one of those, because
Speaker 1: that'll be a whole podcast. Say you have it sorted
Speaker 1: right so that your nutrition is good, that you're exercising
Speaker 1: and I think we would both agree a combination of
Speaker 1: cardiovascar and strength training. And you know you're sleeping, well,
Speaker 1: your mindset's good. What then would you start to layer
Speaker 1: in of all those things you mentioned, some of them
Speaker 1: like hydrogen, water, mouth taping, cold plungs, creating. What are
Speaker 1: the ones that would be that you can't up near
Speaker 1: the top of the list. And I know it would
Speaker 1: be different for different people, but just throw out a
Speaker 1: number of them that you think there's a reasonable amound
Speaker 1: behind it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to talk to us.
Speaker 3: That's sorry, let's stay let's keep supplements to the end.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, right, okay, all right, So I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk to an over forties age group. Is that okay?
Speaker 2: So people that are kind of in that in that midlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I agree because if you're under forty
Speaker 1: and you've got you're doing all those other things, you
Speaker 1: don't you don't need any of all this other shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you need it with your body, slow and die. Right,
Speaker 1: So off you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, So so just from an exercise perspective, definitely
Speaker 2: VO two max training in there as well. So you
Speaker 2: need to do that high intensity training, which often drops off,
Speaker 2: but that to me is a really really important bio
Speaker 2: hack that we need to include. I like some healthy stresses,
Speaker 2: and you and I did a whole episode around healthy
Speaker 2: and unhealthy stresses, which I found I absolutely loved, and
Speaker 2: I think some of those healthy stresses, and we talked
Speaker 2: about hot and cold for example. Now for women, the
Speaker 2: cold plunge is very controversial, and I am definitely not
Speaker 2: an expert in that area, but I definitely think that
Speaker 2: using heat and cold therapy in a format that feels
Speaker 2: right for you. So for me, for example, heat and
Speaker 2: cold together feels right. So you're getting that vasodilation, and
Speaker 2: we know that circulation. We know that cardiovascular health is
Speaker 2: so important. And when you are changing those temperatures, going,
Speaker 2: for example, you're doing eight minutes in the sauna and
Speaker 2: then you're going and having a cold plunge or even
Speaker 2: just a cold shower and then jumping back in the sauna,
Speaker 2: you're getting a lot of vaso dilation where you're getting
Speaker 2: these blood vessels. They're almost like doing having.
Speaker 1: A workout completely vasal diliation, vasal constriction, vasive dilation, vuzzle constriction.
Speaker 1: It's such a massive work out for your cardiovascular system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so from a biohacking perspective, when you think
Speaker 2: about how important our cardiovascular system is, and we know
Speaker 2: that women and heart disease skyrockets after menopause, looking after
Speaker 2: our cardiovascular system is super important. So that's why I
Speaker 2: love the VO two max, which is again driving up
Speaker 2: that the health of our cardiovascular system. I do like
Speaker 2: that hot and cold therapy. They're ones that I can.
Speaker 1: I just jump in the midda with my comment on
Speaker 1: the cold because it is there's a bit of controversy
Speaker 1: around it, like eight minutes in a nice bath is
Speaker 1: just for your ego, just as simple as that. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the I spoke to interview profession Make Tipton. You
Speaker 1: should get them on. Okay, one leader on cold exposure
Speaker 1: and Mike says the vast majority of the benefits come
Speaker 1: in the first thirty seconds. If you stay in long
Speaker 1: enough to until you shiver, you're not having a negative
Speaker 1: effect on your immune system, right. So, and I think
Speaker 1: just to be see if and you know, until people
Speaker 1: have done the studies on different age groups, sex the
Speaker 1: sex differences, until that's clear, just doing a short thirty
Speaker 1: seconds to a minute and it doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: have ice in it. Anything less than fifteen degrees will
Speaker 1: actively at the call shock response.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Look I feel that. I like
Speaker 2: that when I do it, I can feel exactly what
Speaker 2: he's talking about there and longer for me, doesn't doesn't
Speaker 2: add any benefits. And I think you've also got to
Speaker 2: look at the stage of life you're at. I have
Speaker 2: a lot and a lot of my ladies a lot
Speaker 2: of unhealthy stresses in their life, and so you've got
Speaker 2: to find that line between Okay, well, is this just
Speaker 2: adding to that and is this going to you know,
Speaker 2: have an impact on my cortisol or my melotonin production.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I just but but there is
Speaker 2: something there. So that's one. I am a big supplement girl.
Speaker 2: I have quite a big supplement stack in a lot
Speaker 2: of our you know.
Speaker 1: Let's do that. Let's do that now, let's compare supplements.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, okay, but sorry, I'll just add one more.
Speaker 2: So we talked about the V two MAX. We talked
Speaker 2: about hot cold therapy, we talked about muscle. We talked
Speaker 2: about muscle. I would sleep is such an important biohack.
Speaker 2: I'm not a mouth I don't think mouth taping is
Speaker 2: that personally and the research that I've done around it,
Speaker 2: I just I don't see the benefit in that, and
Speaker 2: I know that some people do.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are your mouth taper.
Speaker 3: I most tip? I tell you why most chip because for.
Speaker 1: Nearly forty years I had a deviated septum from getting
Speaker 1: my nose broken when I was a kid, and they
Speaker 1: am broken again when I was boxing and so could
Speaker 1: could not breathe through my nose. It was a mouth breather.
Speaker 1: And then when I got my nose fixed and started
Speaker 1: nose breathing. But what often most briefing at night, so
Speaker 1: I tap up to make sure that I'm NAIs or
Speaker 1: breathing because I need to retree, and you've got you've.
Speaker 2: Got a retraining. I think again, if you are in
Speaker 2: the two percenters, and maybe you're an elite athlete or
Speaker 2: maybe you've got you know, like what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You might have a medical condition. But for example, a
Speaker 2: huge proportion of our members I have undiagnosed LEAPATNA and
Speaker 2: it can be really dangerous. It can be really dangerous
Speaker 2: to mouth tape. So I just don't that's it's just
Speaker 2: not one you go and do blindly. Is it would
Speaker 2: be I would you need to go and seek counsel.
Speaker 2: It's not one that oh yeah, just you know, just
Speaker 2: go and give it a go. And so yeah, that
Speaker 2: would that would be one that I tend to kind
Speaker 2: of park. So yeah, let's talk about supplements. So again,
Speaker 2: a lot of the really targeted supplements are you would
Speaker 2: need to have one on one. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk about I'm going to kind of part I'll talk
Speaker 2: about the targeted supplements that we see deficient and insufficient,
Speaker 2: but the ones that I think everyone should be taking,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's lots of great research behind them
Speaker 2: for a bunch of different reasons. Magnesium is collagen. This
Speaker 2: is for our kind of over forties and one to
Speaker 2: experiment with works for some, not for all this creatine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so magnesium is involved in over two hundred interactions in
Speaker 2: the body. It's so so essential and it impacts lots
Speaker 2: of things from muscle function to cognition, to sleep, to
Speaker 2: stress management, even to thermoregulation. So a lot of people
Speaker 2: are insufficient or deficient in magnesium. There's a theory that
Speaker 2: it's you know, the soil in the country or the
Speaker 2: quality of the food that we eat. We measure that
Speaker 2: seram magnesium. Now, it's not an completely accurate measurement because
Speaker 2: really you'd have to do a full muscle biopsy, but
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good indicator, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: markers that is so low on so many of our members,
Speaker 2: and it's very hard to reach an upper limit. So
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what's the downside?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, right, Is that that with
Speaker 1: magnesium and things like bee venamins and things like that,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get to toxicity, whereas something like vitamin
Speaker 1: A you can get to toxicity pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: Right, So I think that's a very good point, And.
Speaker 2: I will just jump in. You just said the bee
Speaker 2: vitamins B twelve kind of hard to get to toxicity.
Speaker 2: The challenge is not B sixix, so do be very careful.
Speaker 2: I don't know why manufacturers put so much B six
Speaker 2: into so much stuff. But I had a lady, actually
Speaker 2: a presenter on one of the major networks send me
Speaker 2: a product that she got on Amazon because she saw
Speaker 2: some influencer that had a million followers touting this product.
Speaker 2: She ordered it. It's American product and she sent it
Speaker 2: to me with the NIP the nutrient information panel. It
Speaker 2: had three hundred and fifty percent of the RDI for
Speaker 2: B six in it. I said, how did you even
Speaker 2: get this in the The TGA would never allow that
Speaker 2: in Australia because she bought it cross border and she
Speaker 2: had no idea that. And it can trigger neuropathy, so yes, can.
Speaker 1: Cause all sorts of nervousues. That's a very good point.
Speaker 1: I should have been a bit more precise with my words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those tricky ones. So just
Speaker 2: if you are taking a few supplements, just scan down,
Speaker 2: have a look at B six and just try to
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not a big fan of multi vitem.
Speaker 2: I always suggest targeted, so I like, if you are
Speaker 2: if you've got sleep issues, designs for health, the brand
Speaker 2: does a really nice magnesium called trimag RESTful Night. And
Speaker 2: if you've got more muscle issues so you're training hard,
Speaker 2: you might get you know, sometimes your eyelid flickers like
Speaker 2: a little muscle spasm, or you get restless legs or
Speaker 2: cramps in your legs. Then the Bioceuticals Ultra Night musclees
Speaker 2: is a great one to have have it in the
Speaker 2: art anytime from four pm. So that would be one
Speaker 2: collagen is another one. We lose up to thirty percent
Speaker 2: of our collagen. And it's not just about having great hair,
Speaker 2: skin and nails, because I know you're very focused on
Speaker 2: great hair, skin and nails. Paul, that ship sells your eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Yeah well, well, yes, well and truly sealed for me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cardi is a massive fun of collagen. Who's
Speaker 1: had it for years. I've been on the collagen since
Speaker 1: I had my open heart surgery and to help with
Speaker 1: the repair of your boot.
Speaker 2: Think about collagens not just a vanity nutrient you think
Speaker 2: about it. It's in our bones. It's connective tissue, so
Speaker 2: anything that requires that structure. So that's why a lot
Speaker 2: of women as they're and men as well, but as
Speaker 2: they're getting older in our collagen declines. You hear a
Speaker 2: lot of women getting suddenly frozen shoulder or plant our fasciitis.
Speaker 2: That's because we're starting to see that connective tissue declining.
Speaker 2: And just like our skin gets wrinkly, so does things
Speaker 2: like our intestines. You don't think about it, but your
Speaker 2: digestive tract it's very similar to skin, and that endothelial
Speaker 2: lining gets wrinkly, and then what happens is you have
Speaker 2: things like se bow, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth
Speaker 2: where they're healthy, the gut bugs end up in the
Speaker 2: small intestine and parts of the intestine where the gut
Speaker 2: bugs aren't meant to be. That triggers an inflammatory response
Speaker 2: or you get an increased gut permeability, which is a
Speaker 2: bad thing. And so suddenly molecule are passing through the
Speaker 2: gut lining which historically wouldn't and that triggers your immune
Speaker 2: system to flare up, and suddenly you're now getting EXMA
Speaker 2: or an autoimmune condition. So collagen just helps to just.
Speaker 1: Just on that. I think a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize eighty percent if your immune system results in your gut.
Speaker 1: So if you have that leaky gut, then that can
Speaker 1: trigger all sorts of auto immune conditions.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I so many health conditions, and you get
Speaker 2: the I get these poor ladies coming to me so
Speaker 2: saying I was bomb proof for years and now suddenly
Speaker 2: I have to just get a tiny bit of onion
Speaker 2: in my lunch and I have to run to the
Speaker 2: bathroom with ibs or I've got these auto you know,
Speaker 2: rheumatoid arthritis just appears out of nowhere or Hashi motos
Speaker 2: or and a lot of those are gut gut related
Speaker 2: and also can be healed through the gut. The great
Speaker 2: news is the gut loves to heal it, so if
Speaker 2: you do the right things, these conditions can be either
Speaker 2: managed very well or in some cases completely reversed. So
Speaker 2: that's why I like collagen. It's just one of the
Speaker 2: many approaches that we have towards, you know, all those
Speaker 2: longevity challenges that we have. Creatine was the other one
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Yes, so this is an interesting one. You
Speaker 2: would have been like me in the nineties when it
Speaker 2: had its moment with all the Jim bros And all
Speaker 2: my male clients were taking it, and us ladies just
Speaker 2: avoided it because we heard you retain water and it's
Speaker 2: only for the big muscly guys. But the reason why
Speaker 2: it's coming back in the spotlight and why I think
Speaker 2: it's something that our two percenters who are listening today
Speaker 2: should consider is because of the cognitive and mood and
Speaker 2: mental health implications.
Speaker 1: And I am a fin.
Speaker 2: Are you're fan?
Speaker 1: I am a fine Because of the impact on Brian
Speaker 1: health and and mood, and especially when you are sleep deprived,
Speaker 1: there's pretty good research that it it it immeerially it
Speaker 1: or reduces the impact of the negative impact on your
Speaker 1: cognitive function whenever you're sleep deprived. But also research just
Speaker 1: came out I think last week or two weeks ago
Speaker 1: that people with Alzheimer's disease to creating and improve their function.
Speaker 1: And it's because it is one of the energy systems
Speaker 1: that our sales all use atp PC. Is PC is
Speaker 1: fossil creating, and so yeah, it's had it's had another renaissance,
Speaker 1: and and yeah, from a neuroscience perspective, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: all in on it.
Speaker 2: And I'm so happy you say that.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed any negatives with it other than people
Speaker 1: who have kidney issues? Is there anybody else who should
Speaker 1: be concerned about creating? And any other groups? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think vegans should certainly be taking more creating because
Speaker 1: I'm likely to get a lot less of it in
Speaker 1: their diet.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to get your RDI through nutrition alone.
Speaker 2: You have to be eating a lot of meat to
Speaker 2: do it. No, is the answer to that question. Unless
Speaker 2: you've got kidney issues. Then there's been a small incidence
Speaker 2: of some gut disturbances in the early days. But I
Speaker 2: say with anything, you kind of ty trate up. You
Speaker 2: might start on a third of a dose just for
Speaker 2: that first week while your gut adjusts. What I say
Speaker 2: to people who are like, oh my god, I merely
Speaker 2: do I really have to be taking another supplement, what
Speaker 2: I say is take it for six to eight weeks
Speaker 2: and if you notice a difference, then absolutely keep taking it.
Speaker 2: And if you don't notice a difference, maybe your natural
Speaker 2: muscle saturation level was good. But I know for me personally,
Speaker 2: it made I started taking it at the start of
Speaker 2: the year, and I have been shocked at the difference
Speaker 2: it's made. And I can there's three key areas in
Speaker 2: my life where I really notice it so much so
Speaker 2: that I take it super religiously now. So first of all,
Speaker 2: it was in my training. So anyone that does high
Speaker 2: intensity interval training, so I do crossfits, so you've got
Speaker 2: those hard wads where you're maxing out. You might be
Speaker 2: doing maximum burpies or chins, but you're also doing strength.
Speaker 2: We also have a strength component, So in my workouts,
Speaker 2: I've got such a consistent life. I'm a pretty good
Speaker 2: guinea pig, and I've been doing it for so long
Speaker 2: so I know that once if I'm doing a wad
Speaker 2: and there's lots of burpies in that, I know. I
Speaker 2: get to burpie number, you know, six, seven or eight,
Speaker 2: and I start to feel that labor coming in and
Speaker 2: I start to feel like I have to really work hard.
Speaker 2: I was doing these wads and I was getting to
Speaker 2: like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, going oh my god, it's only
Speaker 2: kicking in now that I'm having to work that bit harder.
Speaker 2: I noticed my recovery was a lot stronger. I got stronger.
Speaker 2: So for example, my heavy dead lifts, heavy squats, I
Speaker 2: was hitting pbs getting a lot sot the next day,
Speaker 2: which is a great sign that I was able to
Speaker 2: overload that little bit more. But then the other two
Speaker 2: areas was firstly my focus. So if you're someone that
Speaker 2: has to do a lot of deep, hard work and
Speaker 2: you find focus, you know where you know where your
Speaker 2: brain's having to work really hard. I noticed a huge
Speaker 2: improvement in my ability to focus, and I'd kind of
Speaker 2: look up and go, holy moly, it's been two hours. Wow,
Speaker 2: I've just been in flow. And then the third area, Paul,
Speaker 2: which is my husband, was the one that actually noticed.
Speaker 2: He said to me jeez, you've been in a good
Speaker 2: mood for like a long time.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to mention the Beatle that.
Speaker 2: Not that good. Oh man, I'd be patenting it and
Speaker 2: eying shares in it. I can't say that it has
Speaker 2: the impact with that, but he were back. Definitely, I've
Speaker 2: noticed those those feelings of low or depression or overwhelm.
Speaker 2: I've just had more pep in my step. I've just
Speaker 2: been like, yeah, will be it. We'll be fine. To
Speaker 2: worry about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and look again, there's there's good research
Speaker 1: around it, and actually people with depression tacking creating. It's
Speaker 1: significantly as a positive signet, significantly positive impact. And I
Speaker 1: think if you think of all the sports supplement, it's
Speaker 1: the most tested, it's the seafest, it's the one with
Speaker 1: the biggest impact. And then now you throw then the
Speaker 1: cognitive and the mood benefits. I think other than people
Speaker 1: with chronic kidney disease, and I think you'd be bonkers
Speaker 1: if you're not.
Speaker 2: YEA, think about it, and look, I do think try it.
Speaker 2: I think if.
Speaker 1: You've run an experiment, if you do it for.
Speaker 2: Eight weeks and you don't notice anything, then either yet
Speaker 2: saturation levels are good, or maybe you're not. You're not
Speaker 2: one of those people that's training to the max or
Speaker 2: focusing or having mood issues. So you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want people taking something for no reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you've got you do the ex and
Speaker 1: then you go off it because sometimes people don't notice
Speaker 1: that up until they leave it right, and then it's yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So there's the big three magnesium collagen creating. Yeah, any others.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're lessed.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to sound like I'm a supplement peddler.
Speaker 2: I promise you. I'm a food first girl. But we
Speaker 2: are just talking supplements. There are two more that are
Speaker 2: so so powerful, and a massive trial has just been
Speaker 2: released that will blow your mind. And you're not going
Speaker 2: to believe me, but I promise you it's true because
Speaker 2: I've literally just been on Channel nine about it and
Speaker 2: interviewed the I had tracked down the lead researcher. That's
Speaker 2: how fusy I am about this. Okay, it's so I'll
Speaker 2: tell you about the trial and then I'll reveal the protocol.
Speaker 2: So this trial was gold standard double blind clinical trial.
Speaker 2: Two thousand older adults, so seventy or older but they've
Speaker 2: done a sister study for fifty to seventy years ros
Speaker 2: that had the same results. So if you're over fifty,
Speaker 2: it's the same. So two thousand participants, three years, double
Speaker 2: blind clinical trial.
Speaker 1: Where they already you've got me excited, Yes, already, I'm
Speaker 1: excited this.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you are going to nerd out. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love talking to a nerd. So done in Switzerland,
Speaker 2: but there was all over Europe all these participants. They
Speaker 2: were a healthy cohort. They were not an unhealthy day
Speaker 2: was screened. Okay, Over the three years doing these the
Speaker 2: group that did the three interventions I'm about to reveal
Speaker 2: had a sixty one percent reduction in invasive CANCERSZ, thirty
Speaker 2: nine percent reduction in pre frailty, which is basically the
Speaker 2: precursor to frailty which we're talking about early with acycopenia.
Speaker 2: And they had a significant reduction in biological age and
Speaker 2: they used six different biological age standardized tests to measure
Speaker 2: it by logical age. Are you ready for the reveal? Okay,
Speaker 2: Vitamin D supplementation. Oh there it is fantastic, rapid D baby, I.
Speaker 1: Love, I'm such a fun Are you going to throw
Speaker 1: in a Mega three fatty acids.
Speaker 2: Satah, my friend, and the winner is a Mega three
Speaker 2: fatty acids. And then the third intervention was exercise.
Speaker 1: There you go, and.
Speaker 2: It was three days a week, the world simplest at
Speaker 2: home using bands. It was one of those, you know,
Speaker 2: really daggy at home thirty minutes, three times a week. Now.
Speaker 2: A couple of things here. So the cohort, because I
Speaker 2: said in the interview with this lady, oh, that doesn't
Speaker 2: surprise me because so many of my ladies are low
Speaker 2: in vitamin D. So she said, interestingly, they measured their
Speaker 2: cohort and their cohorts vitamin D levels were actually okay.
Speaker 2: So this and that makes the study even more mind
Speaker 2: blowing because well.
Speaker 3: When I guess what level they got? Did the measure
Speaker 3: the level that they got, they did.
Speaker 2: But I can't. At the top of my head, I can't.
Speaker 1: I would. I would hazard a guess. It's between one
Speaker 1: hundred and one hundred and fifty nine animals per liter.
Speaker 1: And what we'll do is we'll get the study and
Speaker 1: we'll pop it in and we'll see if I'm right
Speaker 1: or if I'm full of shit. Okay, you know the
Speaker 1: interesting thing, because I just started writing my I've just
Speaker 1: finished my new book, and in terms of my dietary interventions,
Speaker 1: I talk about a number of different things. One is
Speaker 1: lowering your ultra process food. Other to your vitamin D
Speaker 1: supplementation and an Amiga three FIO. Because there's just so
Speaker 1: much evidence and no obviously this study I might have
Speaker 1: to I might have to get that study and put
Speaker 1: it into my book before it's published for anyone.
Speaker 2: Well, it is published now. It's called the DO Health Trial,
Speaker 2: So just google do Health Trial and there's a whole
Speaker 2: website and there's a whole bunch of subsequent studies that
Speaker 2: so they've opened up the die. So then other researchers
Speaker 2: have gone in and done all the data. So the
Speaker 2: three interventions, they broke the groups up into all these
Speaker 2: different groups, so like one group just did exercise alone,
Speaker 2: one group just took vitamin D one and.
Speaker 3: They all love it.
Speaker 2: They mixed it all up. But of course the group
Speaker 2: that got the best results was the group that did
Speaker 2: all three interventions, and it just shows that the sum
Speaker 2: of their parts is greater than their whole. And one
Speaker 2: of their big findings is that you know, when you
Speaker 2: combine interventions, you often will receive this out and.
Speaker 1: You know why I'm not surprised by this beacause there
Speaker 1: are no twelve published wholemarks of aging such as inflammation,
Speaker 1: loss of peruleiostheosis, and mitochondrial dysfunction. There's twelve that has
Speaker 1: been recognized and again in my book, exercise targets all
Speaker 1: twelve of the whole marks of aging vinamin D I
Speaker 1: can't remember where it's ten or twelve off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, and Amiga three at least seven ory
Speaker 1: of those whole marks of aging. So there are multiple
Speaker 1: entry points into the body by what these are having
Speaker 1: positive effects and then the synergy, as you say, if
Speaker 1: they're all positive, then that's synergy.
Speaker 2: That synergistic effect, and you don't need to be insufficient
Speaker 2: or deficient in those market in those nutrients for it
Speaker 2: to be beneficial. In fact, she said, when they when
Speaker 2: they massage the data and they pulled out the deficient
Speaker 2: or insufficient people, that sixty one percent reduction in invasive
Speaker 2: cancers jumped a lot higher. So that's what blew my
Speaker 2: mind because I was like, oh, is it just because
Speaker 2: everyone's so low in those nutrients, But it's like, no,
Speaker 2: it actually offers a protective element and that's a true biohack,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like people talk about biohacking,
Speaker 2: this is in my mind what true biohacking is. Where
Speaker 2: you've got average normal levels so you're not deficient or insufficient,
Speaker 2: but then you biohack by even adding more and you
Speaker 2: get this huge like reduction in invasive cancers by sixty
Speaker 2: one percent.
Speaker 1: Like this is right. So this is the point where
Speaker 1: if you're listening, stop listening to wankers like Professor David
Speaker 1: Sinclair touting fucking AMMN that has got really small industry
Speaker 1: back studies that are just not just buy fucking vinamin
Speaker 1: D and good quality of Mega three fish oil.
Speaker 3: And look, neither me nor you we don't have any brands.
Speaker 1: That we're I'm not.
Speaker 2: I wish I did, Jesus, I'd be a millionaire by.
Speaker 1: Now, I know. But look, neither of us want to go.
Speaker 3: We don't want for good reasons.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So so this is what my doc put me on.
Speaker 1: Is rapid D. It's orthoplex orthoplex rapid D and fuck
Speaker 1: my levels went boom. Yeah, And I am a big
Speaker 1: fan like and this is where the medical system and
Speaker 1: functional medicine are very different. And I know you know
Speaker 1: this because you're in this space, right. It is the
Speaker 1: medical system. Doctors don't even test for it, and they
Speaker 1: will say, don't worry about your vintamin D unless you
Speaker 1: are insufficient, right.
Speaker 2: Which is or even deficient even I mean most of
Speaker 2: our ladies come in insufficient. The doctors haven't mentioned anything.
Speaker 2: The vitamins well below fifty before they suggest, whereas we
Speaker 2: like our ladies at least over eighty, ideally over one hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm same, get into that one hundred to
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty band because optimal is very different
Speaker 1: to what the sick curse system will take. And that's
Speaker 1: we don't have a healthcare system. We got a sick
Speaker 1: curse system, right, So that that's the difference. So if
Speaker 1: you want to be optimal, get your vitamin D up.
Speaker 1: The other thing is Amiga threes. Get do There's a
Speaker 1: test called Amiga quant. You can go to Amiga quant
Speaker 1: and measure your Amiga three in debt, which is a
Speaker 1: measure of the Amiga threes in your red blood sales,
Speaker 1: which is a marker of the last three months. People
Speaker 1: with an Amiga three index of IoT live five years longer.
Speaker 1: Than people with an Amiga three index.
Speaker 3: Of five, right and mine is six? Expression has that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a spot. It's a fingerprick if yes,
Speaker 2: we're talking about as similar. It's actually a thing, a
Speaker 2: dry blood spot. So you actually prick your finger, prick
Speaker 2: your finger. There's a couple of great we do this
Speaker 2: test and you get a whole bunch of Amiga like
Speaker 2: an advanced Amiga panel. You get a Mega three six ratio,
Speaker 2: you get a Mega three index. And so for example,
Speaker 2: I'm on a one hundred and twenty day protocol at
Speaker 2: the moment with I'm actually using a brand called Zinzeno,
Speaker 2: which is a Swiss brand. So we're measuring the blood
Speaker 2: spot and I'm taking this citrus based oil. I actually
Speaker 2: mix it with my dark chocolate collagen. My Chief, I
Speaker 2: love Chief does a great dark hot chocolate collagen, and
Speaker 2: so I taste like a jaffa because you've got three
Speaker 2: oil that is citrusy and you can't taste the fishiness
Speaker 2: of it, and then you have the collagen. And so
Speaker 2: over this one hundred and twenty days and they've got
Speaker 2: they've done something like I don't know, four hundred thousand
Speaker 2: of these tests and so they have a lot of
Speaker 2: research to show the improvements. And so I'm hoping mine
Speaker 2: will be over eight my Amiga three index, my Amiga
Speaker 2: index will be over eight percent when I retest in
Speaker 2: a few weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so all our family got tested, and Oscar
Speaker 1: has been the one who's been the best at TICK
Speaker 1: and his his is not above it great. Mine's about
Speaker 1: six and a half and was about five. No I
Speaker 1: Technodic Naturals, And again, listeners, we have new affiliations with
Speaker 1: any brands, any fish oiler you want to. Don't buy
Speaker 1: the ship from Chemist were hosts. Please do not buy
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Speaker 1: which does independent testing, screens them for tensos and toxins,
Speaker 1: looks at the purity. So you talked about Zenzeno I
Speaker 1: Technotic Naturals that there will be good quality ones. Spend
Speaker 1: your money on that chip because that impact of a
Speaker 1: particularly when you combine vitamin D and Amiga three thai
Speaker 1: acids an exercise for boom boom.
Speaker 3: And I'm really gat to talk about anything else.
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like, let's just guys, get off
Speaker 2: the podcast, go and get on your vitamin ding a
Speaker 2: Omega three. But just a quick fun fact that I
Speaker 2: learned from interviewing the head researcher from that drue health trial.
Speaker 2: They used an algae based Omega three ah, not a
Speaker 2: not a fish based one, and one of the main
Speaker 2: there were two reasons. Number one, because this was a
Speaker 2: double blind study that it couldn't have a fish taste
Speaker 2: because it needed to be because the placebo group were
Speaker 2: getting sugar pill or whatever it was. So but number two,
Speaker 2: for sustainability, they did a lot of research and they
Speaker 2: said algae based. But interestingly, throughout my career, I've always
Speaker 2: heard that algae based Amiga three supplements have a worse
Speaker 2: uptake in the body, that they're not as bioavailable as
Speaker 2: the fish one. And I mentioned this to her and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I've got the three thousand studies, three
Speaker 2: thousand subjects study to show that, yes, there was a
Speaker 2: big uptake in it. So I wonder if we might
Speaker 2: be seeing And one of my girlfriends, who owns a
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of supplement stores, she goes, we
Speaker 2: don't really have many algae based Amiga three. She couldn't
Speaker 2: think of any off the top of her head. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 1: That's normally one that I say, if you're vegetarian, vegan,
Speaker 1: you can go and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't be upset. Don't be upset if yeah, because.
Speaker 3: Maybe we only need to look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, them coming through.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we have magnesium, we have color geen, we're
Speaker 1: creatam we got vitamin D, we got amiga three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that is worth pushing the boat on?
Speaker 2: Only if you're insufficient or deficient. So this is where
Speaker 2: testing comes in. So pretty much all of those if
Speaker 2: you all, you know, I'm relatively comfortable recommending those, And
Speaker 2: of course you can cycle in and out of them
Speaker 2: and don't want you, you know, having buckets of powder
Speaker 2: a day, so you might go through different phases. The
Speaker 2: rest is just targeted. So, for example, a lot of
Speaker 2: our ladies are low in iron, but I would never
Speaker 2: recommend supplementing with iron unless you've been diagnosed. But that's
Speaker 2: a big energy one. So if you're one of those
Speaker 2: people that are listening going, oh yeah, I've been low
Speaker 2: in iron for years, I'm like, get onto that shit.
Speaker 2: You need to improve that because if you're waking up
Speaker 2: with your knuckles dragging on the ground, you're getting sick
Speaker 2: more regularly. You know. Low iron is a big one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the rest of them are really just more
Speaker 2: around if your own unique markers are insufficient, and then
Speaker 2: you take a targeted one. B twelve is another one
Speaker 2: to measure track.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, very very good, and look those less.
Speaker 1: The only other supplements that I'm ticking it too is
Speaker 1: because of my recent condition. So I take iron because
Speaker 1: when you do your open heart surgery, or even before it,
Speaker 1: because of the condition, your hemoglobin drops through the floor
Speaker 1: my hemoglobe. So I'm taking beef liver capsules. Higgins, just
Speaker 1: close your ears on that one. The other one is
Speaker 1: you biquin all, which is Coen's m Q ten And
Speaker 1: that's again for my heart because I've just had open
Speaker 1: heart surgery. I'm not suggesting everybody takes it, but the
Speaker 1: one that I think is worthwhile looking into is glinac,
Speaker 1: that combination of glycine and an acetyl cystein oka. And
Speaker 1: so I remember with Professor Grant Scophi, we were at
Speaker 1: a talk with this psychiatrist was showing all the studies
Speaker 1: they were doing on an acetyl systing for mood and
Speaker 1: and like psychosis and and just amazing. And then I
Speaker 1: saw studies on GLINAC and a series of studies that
Speaker 1: in animals, they reduce oxidative stress, they reduce inflammation, they
Speaker 1: improve mitochondrial function to a couple of other things, and
Speaker 1: enhance longevity. And then there was a series of studies
Speaker 1: in older adults that showed they improve mitochondrial function, improved
Speaker 1: oxidative stress, reduced ox of stress, reduced inflammation. Obviously, they
Speaker 1: didn't look at longevity because it's not long enough of
Speaker 1: a study. But when you see something like that where
Speaker 1: you see it in animals, there's an impact on longevity
Speaker 1: and there are describable mechanisms that contribute to that. And
Speaker 1: then you see in humans they're saying mechanisms being up regulated.
Speaker 1: That makes me set up and take notice. Yeah, but again,
Speaker 1: probably don't need to be on that until you're in
Speaker 1: your fortiesh prom or even fifties.
Speaker 2: I tell you the cohort that responds really well to
Speaker 2: NAK what you just mentioned is Perry and menopause transition
Speaker 2: at women who are going through the storm season and
Speaker 2: the hormonal fluctuations. We actually, aside from hormone replacement therapy,
Speaker 2: which works really well for people, the only other supplement
Speaker 2: we don't do the ashraganda, We don't do the herbs
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But what we do do is
Speaker 2: a combination of NACK which you just mentioned, and DIM
Speaker 2: DIM complex as well, so we use switch nutrition. They
Speaker 2: have a tub of NACK and a tub of DIM
Speaker 2: and particularly in the last two weeks of your cycle,
Speaker 2: when estrogen metabolism becomes super important for managing those hormonal fluctuations,
Speaker 2: we find even if you're taking those just for the
Speaker 2: two weeks leading up to period, we get a lot
Speaker 2: of symptom reduction and symptom management, and that's because they work.
Speaker 2: The mechanism behind it is helping your body to detoxify
Speaker 2: those sex hormones, particularly those estrogen where you're getting those
Speaker 2: estrogen spikes and then falling off a cliff. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so I didn't I learned something today from where you're standing.
Speaker 2: But for perimenopause menopause symptoms, it works very well. Certainly
Speaker 2: for me it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, the other thing you mentioned there is
Speaker 1: HRT and I think that the evidence around HRT and
Speaker 1: I is pretty there's still a bit of fear out
Speaker 1: there that because there was old studies shown that it
Speaker 1: might increase cancerous breast cancers completely disproven. And I know
Speaker 1: several women who went on HRT halfway through menopause and went,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a difference. Jesus Christ. Well, wasn't
Speaker 1: I on this right from the start. And then for
Speaker 1: men I think, which is big in the States but
Speaker 1: not so much here. I think at a certain element,
Speaker 1: and again this is getting your hormones measured. I think
Speaker 1: testosterone replacemi therapy. I mean, I'm not on it yet
Speaker 1: because I'm lifting lots of heavy shit and my testosterone
Speaker 1: is still okay. But I think in the future I
Speaker 1: will probably be on some sort of testosterone replacement therapy
Speaker 1: because when you have those mature hormones that are so
Speaker 1: critical for us to function normally, when they drop like
Speaker 1: just bad shit happens.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, and we don't have to we don't have
Speaker 2: to live like that anymore. That this is again true
Speaker 2: biohacking when we can help to manage that natural decline,
Speaker 2: and particularly with women, because you do have such a
Speaker 2: big hormone readjustment through menopause, it's managing that storm season.
Speaker 2: And then if you manage it well, just like a
Speaker 2: sailor manages a storm out on the ocean, He battens
Speaker 2: down the hatches, he locks the cupboards, he gets the
Speaker 2: sale ready. You manage to navigate the storm season while
Speaker 2: you come out the other side less batter than bruised.
Speaker 2: And we have so many options available to us now.
Speaker 2: So it's a really good news story. It's a great
Speaker 2: time to be aging because we have got these We
Speaker 2: have got these great new bio hacks at our fingertips.
Speaker 2: They just have to that's once you're getting into hormone replacement,
Speaker 2: you need to be working with a doctor that is
Speaker 2: really experienced. And that's why I'm a huge advocate of integrative, integrative,
Speaker 2: functional medicine doctors who are really taking a root cause
Speaker 2: approach and they've done a lot of extra training. So
Speaker 2: you just want to make sure that you're not just
Speaker 2: dealing with a regular GP who hasn't just literally hasn't
Speaker 2: done the training.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I tell you what, I fully endorsed that.
Speaker 1: And I use my functional medicine doctor picture I to
Speaker 1: Kitlin and post heart surgery because if I hadn't been
Speaker 1: working with her, I can tell you right now, I
Speaker 1: my recovery would not have been as quick or really
Speaker 1: as it has been. Yeah. One hundred percent. So let's
Speaker 1: look that. The last thing that I wanted, the topic
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about, which is kind of
Speaker 1: related to this, are our key biomarkers to track, like
Speaker 1: what are the things that people should be going and
Speaker 1: doing it, including the ones that you know your GP
Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, and that a lot of people just
Speaker 1: aren't doing because they haven't visited a doctor for years.
Speaker 1: And this is especially you know, as you get north
Speaker 1: of forty. You know, previously I would have said as
Speaker 1: you get north of fifty, but no, I just did
Speaker 1: a podcast this morning on the massive increase in cancers
Speaker 1: in people under fifty nine, not because we are aging
Speaker 1: biologically much quicker and that's why there's more cancer. So
Speaker 1: I think we the old fit for forty is that
Speaker 1: the new fifty? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're one of the unlucky ones that isn't
Speaker 2: managing their health, well, it's it's this interesting conundrum. I'll
Speaker 2: throw two quick stats at you and then i'll talk
Speaker 2: about the biomarkers. The average lifespan in Australia has just
Speaker 2: gone backwards for the first time in thirty years, so
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly. It's unfortunate, isn't it. With all
Speaker 2: this great technology, our average lifespan has actually gone backwards
Speaker 2: for the first time.
Speaker 1: That our kids are predicted to not live as long
Speaker 1: as us. That's fucked. That is fucked.
Speaker 2: But before you go necking yourself, let me give you
Speaker 2: some good news story. The rate of centenarians in Australia,
Speaker 2: people over one hundred years old, is growing at a
Speaker 2: rate of six percent per year. So this is two
Speaker 2: contradicting stats. Right, you go, well, how can that be?
Speaker 2: Well I'll explain how that is. The reason why our
Speaker 2: age has gone backwards is because of chronic, mostly preventable disease.
Speaker 2: So let's think of if we really want to biohack
Speaker 2: our way into longevity and a long life. The first
Speaker 2: goal is to avoid the four horsemen, as Peter Attire
Speaker 2: calls them. Okay, because that is if you're able to
Speaker 2: avoid the four horsemen, that's why our life SPAN's going backwards.
Speaker 2: If you're one of the lucky ones like you and me,
Speaker 2: you proactively went and had heart surgery to avoid one
Speaker 2: of the four horsemen, which is heart disease. If you
Speaker 2: are able to avoid the four horsemen, then you are
Speaker 2: going to live a bloody long time and at the moment,
Speaker 2: I feel like the majority of your listeners are so
Speaker 2: interested in their health, they're going to be that cohort.
Speaker 2: But the four horsemen are heart disease, metabolic disease so
Speaker 2: type two diabetes, fastest growing, one hundred percent preventable cancer,
Speaker 2: and neurodegenerative diseases, Alzheimer's, dementia, etc. So all of those.
Speaker 2: For what underpins that is inflammation and that's why we
Speaker 2: hear so much about managing our inflammation. That's why a
Speaker 2: Mega three vitamin D mechanism and has been so successful
Speaker 2: in that trial. So yeah, there's a good news story
Speaker 2: for you before I get onto biomarkers. But that's why
Speaker 2: prevention is so powerful and taking a proactive approach to
Speaker 2: your health. Because if we're a true bio hacker and
Speaker 2: number one goal is to avoid the four horsemen, how
Speaker 2: do we do that? Well, we measure, and we track
Speaker 2: and we pick up the early early whispers. So for example,
Speaker 2: heart disease, what's your cholesterol like precursor for heart disease?
Speaker 2: And it's a whole other podcast on cholesterol, but we've
Speaker 2: got our standard cholesterol panels that you'll get where you'll
Speaker 2: get your triglycerides, your LDL, your HDL. Okay, if you're
Speaker 2: just getting the standard one's done and everything's perfect, then
Speaker 2: you're good. But if you're coming in and you'r LDL,
Speaker 2: which is the lousy cholesterols high, and your tryglycerides are high, well,
Speaker 2: you might want to then consider doing what are in
Speaker 2: a in functional health world will then send you off
Speaker 2: for an advanced lipid panel so we can actually dig
Speaker 2: down deeper, whereas it regular jeep I.
Speaker 1: Would say not, you want to consider you bloody well shot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go and get your LDL, particle size measures, your LP,
Speaker 1: little A, your april B, all of those things, because
Speaker 1: it's a very crude instrument just overall LDL and hits
Speaker 1: the L cholesterols crude ears.
Speaker 2: Right correct one hundred percent. But for those of you
Speaker 2: that are sitting here and your cholesterol is perfect and
Speaker 2: you don't have body fat issues and you've got no
Speaker 2: high blood pressure, then that's probably enough for you. You
Speaker 2: might want to save your two hundred bucks or whatever
Speaker 2: whatever it costs to get the advanced panel. But for
Speaker 2: a lot of my ladies, they have never struggled with cholesterol,
Speaker 2: and suddenly they hit pery and menopause and their cholesterol
Speaker 2: jumps up and they have no idea what so so.
Speaker 2: So the whole reason why we measure and track these
Speaker 2: biomarkers is to pick up the early warning signs. And
Speaker 2: your GP won't tell you these because they're just too busy.
Speaker 2: And the gps are designed the medical systems designed to
Speaker 2: detect disease. So I have these ladies that have had
Speaker 2: insulin resistance for five or ten years that we look
Speaker 2: at their markers. We measure a marker called homer ir
Speaker 2: so hmair, which is just that it's actually an calculation of
Speaker 2: a bunch of other metabolic markers, but that will definitively
Speaker 2: tell you if you're insulin resistant. And HbA one c
Speaker 2: is another really powerful one. We know that, you know,
Speaker 2: we like our ladies or our members to be under
Speaker 2: five point two percent for HbA one c, but we
Speaker 2: know that five point six to six point five is
Speaker 2: pre diabetes type two diabetes. So the markers we track
Speaker 2: we in our program in a Vitality, which is the
Speaker 2: main program that our members start on. So if you
Speaker 2: come into Jasmina and if you come into Vitality three sixty,
Speaker 2: we do this test. You get fifty five buyer markers,
Speaker 2: and then you do our inner Vitality program, and so
Speaker 2: we're measuring cardiovascular markers, we're measuring inflammation inflammatory markers. We
Speaker 2: want to look at HCRP, creating canas like take dehydrogenase.
Speaker 2: There's lots of inflammation markers, but they're ones that we
Speaker 2: just look at. We look at certain hormones such as
Speaker 2: thyroid panel. We don't do the sex hormones. That's a
Speaker 2: whole other conversation, but we certainly for some people we
Speaker 2: do send them off for them. We look at liver function,
Speaker 2: kidney function, We look at key micronutrients, so iron is one.
Speaker 2: We spoke about vitamin D as well. So it's important
Speaker 2: to start to track and understand what these markers are
Speaker 2: telling you. So EGFI, for example, is a really important
Speaker 2: kidney marker. Kidney disease is silent, and we have people
Speaker 2: that are at stage three or stage four kidney disease
Speaker 2: and didn't even realize it. And EDFI is a great
Speaker 2: market to help you also understand how well your body detoxifies.
Speaker 2: And you know, we have lots of jokes in the
Speaker 2: program of who's going to have the worst hangover and
Speaker 2: if your EDFI is, you know, lower than this mark,
Speaker 2: then you're going to have a much, a much worse
Speaker 2: hangover than someone who's EDFI is well over ninety. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we educate you so that you understand what these markers
Speaker 2: mean and you know how to track them and pick
Speaker 2: up those early whispers so that you can keep those
Speaker 2: four horsemen at bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I totally agree that keeping those things that
Speaker 1: they is absolutely critical. And yeah, yeah would fully endorse
Speaker 1: people to go along and explore those deeper markers, and
Speaker 1: even before they get there, and if people go, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have the money for that. I think making
Speaker 1: a screen from metabolic syndrome is so frigging important. So
Speaker 1: for people listening, metabolic syndrome is basically a cluster of conditions,
Speaker 1: or it's a condition that is there's three from five markers,
Speaker 1: and it depends who you listen to right about what
Speaker 1: the cutoffs are, but basically it's high blood pressure, low
Speaker 1: head SDL or the good and inverticomas, cholesterol, high triglycerides,
Speaker 1: high fasting glucose, and central obesicly high waste circumference. Three
Speaker 1: from five you have metabolic syndrome. And especially if you
Speaker 1: have four or five. And what that means, metabolic syndrome
Speaker 1: means that you are falling apart metabolically, and metabolic syndrome
Speaker 1: dramatically increases the risk of every one of the four horsemen.
Speaker 1: So if you want a very cheap and easy thing,
Speaker 1: it's because you're doctorable to all of those things right,
Speaker 1: other than your wear circumference, and you can measure your
Speaker 1: own blood wear circumference. But I tell you what, if
Speaker 1: you have got metabolic syndrome, you need to sort your shit.
Speaker 1: That is like what is less important. This is the
Speaker 1: most important thing for you to sort out. And that's
Speaker 1: where then if you do have that fly, that's where
Speaker 1: then you absolutely have to go and see somebody like
Speaker 1: you to do a deep dive to say, okay, so
Speaker 1: highly I sort this stuff out.
Speaker 2: And the great news is with metabolic dysfunction or insulin resistance,
Speaker 2: the beginnings of your body not it's basically what you've
Speaker 2: just described. There is a body that is overfed, a
Speaker 2: body that is struggling to manage the calories that are
Speaker 2: coming in, and so liver kicks in to try to
Speaker 2: help out and say, oh, we're going to release more
Speaker 2: cholesterol to try to bind. You know, insifusting, insulin goes up,
Speaker 2: like glucose goes up. All of this is happening because
Speaker 2: the body is trying to manage being in a state
Speaker 2: of overfed. But the great news is there are lots
Speaker 2: of really simple little tweaks that you can make rather
Speaker 2: than oh my gosh, I've got to overhaul my whole
Speaker 2: diet and change my whole lifestyle. We often say to people.
Speaker 2: Some people think, oh, I need to lose weight to
Speaker 2: get healthy, or often with these members, we say you
Speaker 2: need to get healthy in order to lose weight, and
Speaker 2: so things. This is where things like fasting, Like we
Speaker 2: say to our members, you must feel hungry for fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes twice a day below the neck. So feel that
Speaker 2: hunger below the neck, not in your head or your mouth,
Speaker 2: because that's a craving. That's a different You've got to
Speaker 2: feel the grumble in your stomach. Don't eat breakfast until
Speaker 2: you feel the grumble. There it goes grelan, the gremlin
Speaker 2: hormone Greeland, feel that hunger, sit with that hunger for
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, then eat something, and then a second time
Speaker 2: during the day. Because what you're doing then is you're
Speaker 2: increasing your metabolic flexibility. Your body is searching for energy
Speaker 2: because your blood sugar's coming down, which is fabulous, and
Speaker 2: then it's hopefully switching back on lipolysis, which is fat burning.
Speaker 2: Because we have so much an abundance of amazing energy
Speaker 2: just sitting on our asses and our tummies. But when
Speaker 2: we've got metabolic syndrome or insulin resistance, our body has
Speaker 2: forgotten how to access It's the it can't switch between
Speaker 2: burning glucose and fat. It's like a rusted like trying
Speaker 2: to imagine trying to change the gears in a rusted
Speaker 2: old coombe van. So all these sorry, yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Could just jump in there about how much energy we have.
Speaker 1: I often tell us, though some of my lessoners have
Speaker 1: heard it, but I've got a research paper of the
Speaker 1: world record fast right, and it's a Scottish guy in
Speaker 1: I think was nineteen seventy one, who was two hundred
Speaker 1: kilos and he went into seas doc and he said, Doc,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit fat. I think I need to stop
Speaker 1: eating for a while. Will you supervise me? And he
Speaker 1: fasted for three hundred and eighty two days?
Speaker 2: Are you like fully fasted?
Speaker 3: Fully fasted?
Speaker 1: After? I think it was six months or a year.
Speaker 1: He started having a tiny drop of milk in his tea,
Speaker 1: but he did not eat anything for three hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty two days. He lost one.
Speaker 3: Hundred and twenty kilos and he.
Speaker 1: Kept it off.
Speaker 3: So those people will tell you that fasting is dangerous.
Speaker 2: I know, well, I've just finished watching Alone. Have you
Speaker 2: watched any of those series.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big TV fan, but that is the
Speaker 1: one thing that I do like.
Speaker 2: Those people lived off the odd eel for you know,
Speaker 2: for ninety days or something. But I've also heard a
Speaker 2: fun fact that we have enough energy on our body
Speaker 2: stored his body fat to walk from Sydney to Melbourne
Speaker 2: without eating.
Speaker 1: So they they go. Most people have got oodles of
Speaker 1: energy kicking around on them. Yeah, it's and that's what
Speaker 1: it was there for, and in hunted owther at times.
Speaker 1: But sorry I did, I did cut you off. We
Speaker 1: apologies for that.
Speaker 2: My good news message to those that are wanting to
Speaker 2: punch you and I in the face saying yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we know that, we know we're overfed, we know that
Speaker 2: we've just got to clean up our diet. We're like, well,
Speaker 2: you bloody, try to do it when you're insulin resistant
Speaker 2: and grown up on ult process food. So feel free
Speaker 2: to punch us in the face because I have seen
Speaker 2: in my twenty six years how hard it is to
Speaker 2: change habits. So my good news story is when it
Speaker 2: comes to insulin resistance and reversing that and reversing metabolic syndrome,
Speaker 2: it's lots of really little easy tweaks done. So don't
Speaker 2: worry so much about the scales to start with, because
Speaker 2: if you are agreed insulin resistant or pre diabetic diabet
Speaker 2: what used to work won't work anymore, and so the
Speaker 2: scales will just make you want to neck yourself because
Speaker 2: it's just too depressing. So fasting twice a day, a
Speaker 2: supplement called myo andossatol, which is a very safe insulin sensitizer. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't you know, my ladies will go super excited
Speaker 2: about taking this supplement, and I'm like, that's just a tweak.
Speaker 2: It's going to make a small difference, but it's not
Speaker 2: a game changer. And of course exercise, so a combination
Speaker 2: of of you know, cardio strength, I mean honestly, as
Speaker 2: long as you're out there moving and then cutting down
Speaker 2: those carbohydrates really starting to bring those carves right down
Speaker 2: will improve your insulin sensitivity. So just focus on making
Speaker 2: those habit changes and reducing the If you pick one
Speaker 2: part of your day that you know is a struggle
Speaker 2: for you. So you know, I've got a massive sweet
Speaker 2: tooth for me. I had to work on after dinner
Speaker 2: because I was all having these big desserts. So just
Speaker 2: pick that one part of the day that is your
Speaker 2: downfall and just hyper focus on improving that, and then
Speaker 2: over time the habits just slowly improve, and then you'll
Speaker 2: start to see that like polus is kicking back on again.
Speaker 2: And look, if you are really unhealthy and you've struggled
Speaker 2: and you've tried everything, then it is worth having a
Speaker 2: conversation with your doctor about a ZMPIC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Or get your most tipped for
Speaker 1: three hundred and two days. I just you know, there's
Speaker 1: one there's one little language change just before we finish up.
Speaker 1: There's one little language change that I think we should
Speaker 1: do that would have a massive behavioral intervention or behavioral effect,
Speaker 1: and it's changing type two diabetes to carbohydrate intolerance. Ah.
Speaker 1: If we just did that, yeah, it would be an
Speaker 1: absolute game changer.
Speaker 3: Forget about type two diabetes.
Speaker 1: You are carbohydrate intolerance.
Speaker 2: I love that because everyone knows when they're dairy intolerant. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: gluten intolerant. I love it. Sorry, can't no no to
Speaker 2: the past or I'm actually carbohydrating tolerance.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I have a flare up.
Speaker 1: Just around in your head. Just drive. That's the big
Speaker 1: thing that worked with my mum, who was diabetic for decades,
Speaker 1: and since since bringing out on board and visiting Camp Teelor,
Speaker 1: she has nigh lost over thirty kilos in wit and
Speaker 1: resolved her diabetes right, which is just wow.
Speaker 2: You must go.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. It's very cool to see she's going to.
Speaker 2: Be on this planet for an extra ten years and.
Speaker 1: Now doing strength training and in the gym almost eity
Speaker 1: and and in the gym lifting heavy ship, which is wow.
Speaker 2: That is such a good news story. You should definitely
Speaker 2: write her into your books. I think that's that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love hearing stories like that.
Speaker 1: So Amelia, I look, this has been awesome conversation of
Speaker 1: violent agreement.
Speaker 3: All please.
Speaker 1: Work. Can our listeners go to find out more about
Speaker 1: you and to join your Vitality three sixty program and
Speaker 1: any other things.
Speaker 2: Yet going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh, look so if you go to v three sixty
Speaker 2: dot health, that's where you can see my business partner,
Speaker 2: doctr Yasmina, and myself. We run this platform Vitality three
Speaker 2: sixty where we do we bring all those functional medicine
Speaker 2: tests to life and we run programs help whether it's
Speaker 2: reversing your insulin resistance. But our flagship program is in
Speaker 2: a Vitality I call it the sleep Well at Night tests.
Speaker 2: You get your fifty five biomarkers. It's a great starting point.
Speaker 2: You can also get your bioage on top of that
Speaker 2: as well, which a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Like to do.
Speaker 2: And then Instagram is probably where I'm most active so
Speaker 2: and I give lots of free you know, education ebooks,
Speaker 2: supplement cheat sheets away and I'm very active on DM
Speaker 2: So follow me on Instagram. We can get connected, you
Speaker 2: can get to know me a lot better there. And
Speaker 2: then of course my podcast Healthy Her It is for
Speaker 2: directed towards mums, so if you're a mum in midlife
Speaker 2: then it's a perfect one for you.
Speaker 1: Awesome, this has been brilliant. Thank you for sharing your
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge, and yeah, keep doing what you're doing
Speaker 1: and keep loving it. I'm shure you well.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much,