WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 15 January

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<v Speaker 1>Lateens General, welcome the Late Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the

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<v Speaker 2>Late Debate James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. You would have heard celebrities always banging on

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<v Speaker 2>about how the use of fossil fuels causes natural disasters,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like fires. Well, what are we to make

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<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood celebrities fleeing the fires in la in their

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<v Speaker 2>private jets. We'll talk about that a little later. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at the papers, rail strike set to

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<v Speaker 2>cause chaos in Sydney tomorrow as they did today, And

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty million dollars allocated to fight domestic

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<v Speaker 2>violence in the Northern Territory is unspent, In fact, worse

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<v Speaker 2>than unspent. It hasn't even been allocated yet. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to all of that when we look at what's making

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<v Speaker 2>news tomorrow. But first, have you ever looked at a

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<v Speaker 2>misbehaving child, someone else's misbehaving child, and thought that kid

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<v Speaker 2>needs a really good smack. Well a Queensland doctor not

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<v Speaker 2>only thought it, he did it and was fined five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. Doctor Arthur de Villiers smacked the misbehaving toddler

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<v Speaker 2>after the two year old ignored repeated requests to stop

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<v Speaker 2>flicking the lights on and off during a medical appointment. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor had requested the boy's mother control the child,

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<v Speaker 2>but the mother was deaf and by the time the

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<v Speaker 2>interpreter who was present had communicated the message, well, the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor had lost his patience. He got up from behind

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<v Speaker 2>his desk, walked over, picked up the child and gave

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<v Speaker 2>it a good smack on the bum. Now the child

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<v Speaker 2>was out of control. That was agreed, and the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>gave a smack with an open hand on trousers which

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<v Speaker 2>had a nappy underneath. There was no suggestion the child

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<v Speaker 2>was hurt other than, of course, the child's pride. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Queensland Civil and Administrative Administrative Tribunal ruled that the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor's actions were and I quote completely inappropriate and he

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<v Speaker 2>should never have acted as he did. There's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>The tribunal said that the little boy's behavior was very

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<v Speaker 2>challenging and it was completely inappropriate for the respondent to

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<v Speaker 2>intervene as he did. I got to say, Caleb, Liz,

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<v Speaker 2>I sympathize with this doctor because I think we've all

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<v Speaker 2>been to shopping centers. Maybe supermarkets where we've seen out

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<v Speaker 2>of controlled toddlers throwing tantrums as parents stand there idly.

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<v Speaker 2>As a parent of two boys, I understand that I

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<v Speaker 2>never had to teach them to be bad, lying, throwing tantrums.

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<v Speaker 2>They had that figured out all by themselves. It was

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<v Speaker 2>my job to teach them to be good. Somehow they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to do that with a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of intervention. It reminds me of a story of a

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<v Speaker 2>maid of mine. He used to run an organization dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with delinquent teenagers, and he once told me how he

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<v Speaker 2>was at a supermarket and this kid was just throwing

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute mental tantrum, having a meltdown, as mum just

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<v Speaker 2>stood there sort of, you know, trying to coddle him,

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<v Speaker 2>unsuccessful gentle, and he watched for about a minute and

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<v Speaker 2>a half, and then finally he walked over and handed

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<v Speaker 2>this woman one of his business cards he deals with

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<v Speaker 2>the link and she looked at him, like, what's this for?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, trust me, you'll be calling me in

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen years from now. I reckon, instead of finding

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<v Speaker 2>this got the five thousand dollars, the state government should

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<v Speaker 2>have given him five thousand dollars for doing his bit

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<v Speaker 2>to try and head off the crime crisis we're currently

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<v Speaker 2>seeing across our nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Or perhaps they should have sentenced the mother to a smack.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that's the real problem here, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And you can understand why the doctor who is simply

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do his job and the kids fiddling with

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<v Speaker 3>light switches which were near some other important switches in

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<v Speaker 3>his practice that he did not want touched. He's trying

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<v Speaker 3>to communicate this to the mother. It was difficult because

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<v Speaker 3>she's dere I get all of that, but surely as

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<v Speaker 3>a parent, I mean, you know, I am not a parent,

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<v Speaker 3>though my girlfriend has two kids, so I've had a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of experience with young children of late, but I

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<v Speaker 3>try not to be the parent in that situation for

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<v Speaker 3>obvious reasons. But I would be horrified as a parent

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<v Speaker 3>if my child was running a mark in the doctor's

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<v Speaker 3>surgery while his brother was trying to be attended to

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<v Speaker 3>by the doctor. I'd be so embarrassed that this is

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<v Speaker 3>the show my kid was putting on in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the doctor and others, and I'd have something done about

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<v Speaker 3>it quick, smart the doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>Shame the fact that.

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<v Speaker 3>It got to the point where the doctor himself felt

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<v Speaker 3>like he had to intervene. I would suggest, mean it's gone,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, quite a long way down the line, because

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<v Speaker 3>most people know that in most circumstances, you don't interfere

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<v Speaker 3>with someone else's child. He's only done that because he

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<v Speaker 3>was really frustrated and he felt like nothing was being

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<v Speaker 3>done about it. I totally sympathized with him that five

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars should go into a fund to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>these delinquent kids.

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<v Speaker 4>But genuinely bring back shame.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember the days when do you have your child

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<v Speaker 5>behaved like that in public? Was the most humiliating experience

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<v Speaker 5>a person could have, because they knew in society at

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<v Speaker 5>large understood they were being judged as a result. This

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<v Speaker 5>is the product of your parenting or lack thereof. I

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<v Speaker 5>certainly remember when I was a kid, if I had

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<v Speaker 5>done anything to bring dishonor upon the family, the trip

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<v Speaker 5>home was the most that you're just sweating bullets because.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what you're going home to. They have not forgotten.

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<v Speaker 5>You will be disciplined for what you have done, and

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<v Speaker 5>everybody you got to reap the benefits though then of

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<v Speaker 5>well behaved children in public. My parents had seven, so

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't let us get away with anything. Couldn't afford

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<v Speaker 5>to have a bad apple in that bunch. It would

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<v Speaker 5>have become contagious. And let's face it, this guy, for

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<v Speaker 5>a few seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>There lived the dream. Like you say, who among us

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't been in public going.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my good Anyone who's babysat my niece's for more

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<v Speaker 5>than five seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>Knows the urge to just go oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 5>And yet parents these days expect you to just put

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<v Speaker 5>up with it. You might be at a fence, restaurant,

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<v Speaker 5>you may be in any number of settings, and they

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<v Speaker 5>just expect you to suck it up like they do.

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<v Speaker 5>And you're like, no, actually, this is not what I

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<v Speaker 5>gave here for all, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course people will raise the issue of abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>but all normal functioning people understand the difference between discipline

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<v Speaker 2>and abuse. And by the way, you just reminded me

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<v Speaker 2>when my kids were naughty and we'd drive home and

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<v Speaker 2>I had not yet disciplined them, and they would then

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<v Speaker 2>they would start asking, Dad, are you going to discipline that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because they knew when there was a pause between the

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<v Speaker 2>offense and the discipline, they knew it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>raise for repacked.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh was I smacked?

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<v Speaker 5>My elder brother used to tell everyone, because I'm number

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<v Speaker 5>three in the bunch of seven, used to tell everyone,

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<v Speaker 5>you put mine and Anna's buildings together and you get

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<v Speaker 5>half of Elizabeth's.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom was debately smacked.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom had the biggest biceps from all the time

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<v Speaker 2>she was smacking my mom.

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<v Speaker 3>It. Yeah, I think I sacrificed a few wooden spoons

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<v Speaker 3>over made.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mine, we had pains. I flip

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<v Speaker 4>Kaynes and look at the backside.

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<v Speaker 1>We all turned out alright. We're running around in doctors

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<v Speaker 1>surgeries fiddling with you.

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<v Speaker 5>All the parents out there with strong worled children, take

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<v Speaker 5>it from a strong willed child.

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<v Speaker 4>Hang in there. We turn out okay in the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Though my mum might now be sending a text message

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<v Speaker 3>in to say, actually you did fiddle with the switches

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<v Speaker 3>in the doctor's surgery. I don't remember, and if I did,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pleading ignorance on this one. Now you'll remember last

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<v Speaker 3>year Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi announced that he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to appoint a special Envoy on anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 1>Envoy.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I should say I've been in trouble for this

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<v Speaker 3>one before when I've said envoy, the correspondence I get

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<v Speaker 3>from viewers to remind me that it is envoy, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Will relearn it. I am sorry. He said he would appoint.

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<v Speaker 3>A special Envoy on anti Semitism, but of course at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time we need a special Envoy on Islamophobia

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<v Speaker 3>as well, because you know that's just as bad as antisemitism.

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<v Speaker 3>But whatever, Jillian Siegel was the woman he appointed. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I said at the time, this is going to do nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister since October seventh, twenty twenty three, has

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<v Speaker 3>shown little regard for antisemitism in this country. All this

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<v Speaker 3>really is window dressing. I mean as if he needs

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<v Speaker 3>to appoint someone on a public salary to tell him

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<v Speaker 3>that antisemitism is a problem in Australia right now we

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<v Speaker 3>can all see that. But he's done very little about

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<v Speaker 3>it during his Prime ministership. So Julian Siegel has now

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<v Speaker 3>come out and come up with a few suggestions, among

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<v Speaker 3>them that if you attack a synagogue you should face

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<v Speaker 3>mandatory minimum sentencing, that meaning you will have to go

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<v Speaker 3>to jail, and that there ought to be a National

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<v Speaker 3>Cabinet meeting to discuss antisemitism.

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<v Speaker 1>Here she was talking to Chris Kenny earlier tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Infecting our community with hate and attacking places of worship

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<v Speaker 6>in particular, but other places in order to intimidate the

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<v Speaker 6>Jewish community. They should actually result in jail time. We

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<v Speaker 6>need to make sure as a community that we convey

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<v Speaker 6>to those bringing prosecutions and those assessing the penalty is

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<v Speaker 6>how serious this is for the future of our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what would you know?

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister who appointed someone to tell him what

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<v Speaker 3>to do about anti Semitism now says, no, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do what the person who I appointed to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me what to do about anti Semitism has told

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<v Speaker 3>me to do.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at a press conference today.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, she spoke with Jillian Siegel, Yes, say a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of times. So we convene into a meeting yesterday with myself,

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<v Speaker 7>the Premier of Victoria, the acting Premier of New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 7>and the AFP Commissioner to coordinate activity. We have Operation

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<v Speaker 7>Abelite that is in place. What I want is to

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<v Speaker 7>ensure that any act of anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 2>That it stops, that it stops.

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<v Speaker 7>I want people who are responsible for these acts to

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<v Speaker 7>be prosecuted fully because they are a crime and people

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<v Speaker 7>should be held to account with the full force of

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<v Speaker 7>the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I think the Prime Minister does actually have a

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<v Speaker 3>point here, that being that an attack on a synagogue

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<v Speaker 3>having mandatory minimum sentencing would be an extraordinary move, one

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<v Speaker 3>that has to be made by the states, not at

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<v Speaker 3>a federal level, because of course that's where the criminal

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<v Speaker 3>codes lie. But normally mandatory minimum sentencing is applied to

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<v Speaker 3>the worst of the worst crimes, things like murder, rape,

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<v Speaker 3>child abuse, etc. And also, what did national Cabinet ever achieve.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure that having another meeting would ever actually

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<v Speaker 3>do anything. But it proves the point, does it not?

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<v Speaker 3>That when he appointed a Special Envoy on anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't so that he could actually get any advice

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<v Speaker 3>that he would ever take any notice of, or that

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<v Speaker 3>he particularly cared about. He was simply trying to say

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<v Speaker 3>to the Jewish community, oh look, look, I'm doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm doing something now.

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<v Speaker 3>It was always window dressing. He's proved it today. He

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't want the advisor.

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<v Speaker 5>To say, though, that he won't take future advice or

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<v Speaker 5>he hasn't taken past advice. And like you say, he

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<v Speaker 5>does have a point here.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the matter of jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 5>National counsel would involve obviously all of the premiers.

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<v Speaker 4>Whereas we know that the hotspots here in.

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<v Speaker 5>Australia are New South Wales, namely Sydney and Victoria, namely Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was talking to Min's and Allen.

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<v Speaker 5>Just yesterday, so he really is honing in on those

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<v Speaker 5>troubled spots. As for mandatory sentencing, I mean this, even

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<v Speaker 5>for that heinous crimes that you named. There mandatory sentencing.

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<v Speaker 5>The reason why there isn't many of them is because

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<v Speaker 5>it's so fraught for the uninitiated. That simply means that

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<v Speaker 5>the sentence is already decided. So if and when you

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<v Speaker 5>are convicted of a particular crime, the judge doesn't have

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<v Speaker 5>much to deliberate over, you get the mandatory sentence regardless

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<v Speaker 5>of the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's for a second imagine.

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<v Speaker 5>That we have found the person who's burnt down the

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<v Speaker 5>synagogue in Melbourne and it turns.

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<v Speaker 4>Out that they were bribed, they were told that their

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<v Speaker 4>family would be killed, etc. And so on.

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<v Speaker 5>So when we're talking about mandatory sentencing, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 5>an instance in which any of those situations, any other

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<v Speaker 5>extenuating circumstances are thrown out the window, and someone is

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<v Speaker 5>simply given a cut, copy paste every single time, the

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<v Speaker 5>same sentence. And I do think that it would be

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<v Speaker 5>a curious thing to have a special sentence for the

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<v Speaker 5>burning down of a synagogue as opposed to somebody's church,

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<v Speaker 5>somebody's mosque, or any other person's place of worship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what the envoy is trying to say

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's a distinction between a church being set

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<v Speaker 2>on fire right now or a mosque as compared to

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<v Speaker 2>a synagogue. A church fire right now would be an

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<v Speaker 2>isolated incident. But we've had.

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<v Speaker 5>That's called knee jerk legislation, and it's always about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say fifteen months of anti Semitic attacks

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<v Speaker 2>without any action maybe requires a bit of knee jerking,

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<v Speaker 2>and that must be the.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the special operation Adelite that he's talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've had a fire in a mosque. What a

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<v Speaker 2>month ago they initially said we've got three suspects where

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<v Speaker 2>afraid they might flee the country. We've heard nothing since

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has happened. And this is the frustration that must

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<v Speaker 2>be being felt by the Jewish community. You said mandatory

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<v Speaker 2>sentencing would be an extraordinary move, agreed, but are we

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<v Speaker 2>not living in extraordinary times? And as for jurisdiction, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, that's why we need to have a national cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a national cabinet meeting about social media, for

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<v Speaker 2>goodness sake, but won't have one about anti Semitism. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an insult to the Jewish community if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to ignore their advice, and her advice is could we

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<v Speaker 2>have a discussion from the premiers?

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<v Speaker 5>So would you if he doesn't take all of the

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<v Speaker 5>envoyage guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, I'm saying that this advice that she has

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<v Speaker 2>given is pretty innocuous. Get the premiers together have a

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<v Speaker 2>national coordinated response to antisemitism so we're all on the

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<v Speaker 2>same page. That would be the least I reckon that

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<v Speaker 2>we could do to address a subject that's been allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to go on and on and on for fifteen months.

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<v Speaker 2>And while you're at it, talk about mandatory sentencing. And

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<v Speaker 2>it would be nice if someone got arrested in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think we're.

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<v Speaker 5>Rather misakes, which is why National council never works.

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<v Speaker 4>We saw this during COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if they have.

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<v Speaker 5>Their meetings and then they walk away and they say,

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<v Speaker 5>I've got.

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<v Speaker 4>My own feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Say to the Jewish community that social media was important

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<v Speaker 2>enough to call everybody together, but apparently antisemitism isn't important enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Why are you sucked the elbow?

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't changing his tune after all this time?

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<v Speaker 3>Issunity one weeds here of you know, why is he

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<v Speaker 3>not doing something now about what the antisemity some invoices

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<v Speaker 3>he should do. He's failed to do anything for fifteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not going to change now because someone

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<v Speaker 3>else has told him what to do. We know the

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<v Speaker 3>stripes of the Prime Minister as if we would expect

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<v Speaker 3>him to change now. I'm not saying that's right, but

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<v Speaker 3>but we can jump up and down now and say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he hasn't taken the advice.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want the advice.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I would say is he would have been

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<v Speaker 2>better off not appointing any anti antisemit because it was token.

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<v Speaker 2>When he appointed that, it was injury.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pure token.

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<v Speaker 5>The applause, much like now sending the Attorney General to

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<v Speaker 5>Israel and we're all like, oh yeah, golf, clap buddy, amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone's convinced you've done a complete one eighty not now

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<v Speaker 5>to a very important issue that before today I did

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<v Speaker 5>not even know was a thing. Let's say you are

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<v Speaker 5>hospitalized here in Australia. You have nothing to do. Like

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<v Speaker 5>most people who are bed ridden in hosts hospital, you

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<v Speaker 5>get to stare at the.

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<v Speaker 4>Ceiling all day, every day.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know you have to pay ten dollars to

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<v Speaker 5>watch free to air tea V. This story today absolutely

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<v Speaker 5>rendered my heart hearing people tell these stories of Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I went to visit my brother. He's laid up with

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<v Speaker 5>filling the blank of what he's suffering from. And I

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<v Speaker 5>asked him, why are you just lying here in silence,

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<v Speaker 5>staring at the wall, And he said, well, it's ten

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<v Speaker 5>bucks a day to watch free to air TV and

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<v Speaker 5>I simply can't afford it, which, of course then the

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<v Speaker 5>brother went sorted it out paid for it himself. But

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<v Speaker 5>this is the case across the nation and it's come

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<v Speaker 5>to our attention thanks to a group in Perth taking

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<v Speaker 5>this on.

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<v Speaker 4>They're called the Health Consumer's Council.

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<v Speaker 5>The article says in eight of the city's metropolitan hospitals.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about Perth in this instance, although it's the

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<v Speaker 5>same across the nation, access to bedside TV showing free

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<v Speaker 5>to air channels and a movie channel, but not streaming

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<v Speaker 5>services is provided by a third party, Hills Health Solutions.

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<v Speaker 5>The company takes responsibility for the purchase, installation, and maintenance

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<v Speaker 5>of the TVs and charges patients ten dollars a day

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<v Speaker 5>or fifty four a week nine dollars per day if

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<v Speaker 5>you're a cacession card holder. I just find this utterly miserable.

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<v Speaker 5>And the premiere WA Roger Cook has come out and says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>so I backed this one hundred percent. That people should

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<v Speaker 5>just be sitting in hospital bored, lonely, probably their mind's

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<v Speaker 5>full of the tragedy that they are living through, or

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<v Speaker 5>if they've been through an accident.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Ever need trash TV, which is what freeware TV is.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's be honest, do.

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<v Speaker 5>You ever need trash TV more than when you just

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<v Speaker 5>need to be completely distracted. It gives you a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of company, It takes your mind off things. And here

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<v Speaker 5>we have people in hospital beds unable to afford ten

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<v Speaker 5>bucks a day.

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<v Speaker 4>Genuinely, this made my blood run coal.

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<v Speaker 2>I would pay ten dollars a day to not have

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<v Speaker 2>free to air, making my miserable care in a hospital

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<v Speaker 2>bed in a hospital, the credit book will be far

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<v Speaker 2>better off than getting free TV. And at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, someone's got to pay for it. So

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<v Speaker 2>if the user is not paying for it, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us pay for it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to pay for with hospital care.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it seems a bit miserable, doesn't it to

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<v Speaker 3>force someone to pay ten dollars a day to watch

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<v Speaker 3>the garbage that they put on free to air TV.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you were.

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<v Speaker 3>In hospital over summer, I'd want to watch the cricket, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's especially when you want to tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>But see, it's fine for any of us three, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>we'd take in an iPad or our iPhone or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's and you can stream all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But the people that this affects the most, as is

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<v Speaker 3>often the case when we talk about these things, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's going cash lists, et cetera, is elderly people, right

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<v Speaker 3>who maybe don't have a device, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to work a device, they don't have a smartphone whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>and mere people who are more likely to spend long

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<v Speaker 3>periods of time in hospital and for the pleasure of

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<v Speaker 3>being a pensioner.

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<v Speaker 1>They knock off am easily. One dollar a day the price.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if I have to pay, because I earn a

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<v Speaker 3>reasonable some of that whatever, I can copy it. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's pensioners that I worry about, who might be in

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<v Speaker 3>hospital for long periods of time and they've got to

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<v Speaker 3>pony up ten bucks a day to watch the Telly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just let them have some simple pleasures.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to watch Jerry Springer, they want to watch

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<v Speaker 3>doctor film for heaven's sake. You might call it trash TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I call it Hella vision. But just let them have

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<v Speaker 3>some joy.

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<v Speaker 2>In their lives. Imagine the whole working life. Taxes to

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<v Speaker 2>fund the ABC watch ABC Horrible. Staying on the theme

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<v Speaker 2>of hospitals, I'll tell you if it's bad in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>try a hospital in the UK. Radiographers in UK hospitals

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<v Speaker 2>have been told to ask men if they might be

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant before performing X rays. Now this comes about because

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<v Speaker 2>a transgendered man that's a woman who was identifying as

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<v Speaker 2>a man, underwent an X ray unaware that she was

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant at the time, and of course staff never thought

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<v Speaker 2>to ask because this person was presenting as a man

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want to offend by misgendering the person.

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<v Speaker 2>So now, in order to avoid that happening again, there

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<v Speaker 2>are signs. I'll show you the sign when you go

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<v Speaker 2>for an X ray at NHS hospitals in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>saying this and I quote, please be aware. All patients

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<v Speaker 2>aged twelve to fifty five being X rayed will be

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<v Speaker 2>asked whether there is any chance of them being pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of gender. Now this is not inclusive. This is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely insane. More than insane, it's abuse. Imagine asking a

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year old boy if he might be pregnant before

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<v Speaker 2>he's given an X ray. If you did that with

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<v Speaker 2>the parents absent, that is abuse. If you did that

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<v Speaker 2>with the parent present, you should probably get a punch

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<v Speaker 2>in the face and it would be well deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>You find five grand for that, It would be five

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<v Speaker 1>grand well.

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<v Speaker 2>Spent for a smack on the bottom of that person's reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about this. You've got vulnerable people, right, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>denied free to air TV.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't afford that seven pounds in the UK freaking

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<v Speaker 5>out about ten days back.

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<v Speaker 4>Try seven pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>You're already feeling miserable and vulnerable, and then to add

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<v Speaker 2>insult to injury before you get an X ray to

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<v Speaker 2>find out just how bad your situation is. They ask you,

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<v Speaker 2>as a bloke, do you reckon you might be pregnant? Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>if a doctor asked me if I was pregnant before

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<v Speaker 2>getting an X ray, I would ask if I could

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<v Speaker 2>have a doctor who was competent to treat me, please.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say, Look, I might have put on a few

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<v Speaker 3>kegs over summer, wiggle of the wine and obecu't.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean I'm pregnant. Maybe it's a food baby. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to know. I mean. They say they're

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<v Speaker 1>only asking patients.

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<v Speaker 3>Between the ages of twelve and fifty five, presumably because

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<v Speaker 3>they assume that every woman biological or otherwise, by the

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<v Speaker 3>age of fifty five has gone through menopause. But what

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't gone through menopause by the age of

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five. They are making assumptions on this side, just

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<v Speaker 3>as they were previously making assumptions about whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>you were a female.

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<v Speaker 1>And I reckon, that's a discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>Men don't have menopause, so they could still be pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Though the whole thing goes wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The one point, do we just use our brains? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Like if a transgender man who is actually a woman

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<v Speaker 3>comes in to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, unless they've had extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>Surgery, it's probably reasonably obvious that this person is a

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<v Speaker 3>biological woman.

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<v Speaker 5>As you are to be obvious, because these days it

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<v Speaker 5>can be quite confusing. I mean, we've all been there

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<v Speaker 5>once or twice these days. But we're talking about medical

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<v Speaker 5>professional to have their medical records. If I'm about to

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<v Speaker 5>X ray you, surely I know enough about you from

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<v Speaker 5>your medical forms to know whether or not there is

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<v Speaker 5>any possibility that you could be pregnant. Maybe they are

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<v Speaker 5>legitimately doing it just to avoid all liability and to

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<v Speaker 5>ensure because it's sadly hospitals can't be too careful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, So why not have a sign that simply says,

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<v Speaker 2>please notify us if there's a chance you could be pregnant.

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<v Speaker 5>That would again, that could leave them open to liability.

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<v Speaker 5>I can easily say, oh, I didn't see that sign,

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<v Speaker 5>and now you've X rayed me, and yes, I was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair.

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<v Speaker 5>So they're just like, you know what we are asking

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<v Speaker 5>every Tom Dick and Harry.

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<v Speaker 8>Literally literally can you imagine some bulky bricklayer or something

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<v Speaker 8>going in for some sort of X ray and as

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 8>they're about you, they're like, you're pregnant.

0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 2>That question would put radiographers in danger. So forget the patient.

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>What about your life alility to protect your staff from

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>angry men.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 5>Just imagine some pommy bloke being like, are you ka mate?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Matte, drop the kids off at the pool this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>While we're over in the UK, let's talk about Wales. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you would have heard recently about the grooming gangs in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this dates back more than a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 3>This odded coming to light in about twenty thirteen, and

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 3>it had been going on for at least a decade

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 3>before that, particularly in Rottenham in England, but certainly other

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 3>parts of the UK as well, where Pakistani in particular

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 3>grooming gangs were systematically taking and abusing young British girls.

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 3>So let's fast forward teen years on from that and

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 3>we are starting to talk about this, or a bit

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 3>more than ten years on, we're actually starting to talk

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:53.880
<v Speaker 3>about this again.

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 1>It's getting the publicity it deserves.

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<v Speaker 3>There are suggestions now that there should be an inquiry

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 3>into this, though of course the Sarma government has k

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 3>not that on the head and guests who was the

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 3>DPP at the time and all this was going on.

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It was Sirkar Starmer.

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 3>But in twenty twenty three a school in Wales twelve

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 3>year old girls we're talking about here, put together a

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 3>video encouraging refugees to come to Wales and saying you

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 3>will be well treated here, etc. That was then shared

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 3>by the Welsh Refugee Council. Now this has come back

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 3>to light in recent days after there has been more

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.479
<v Speaker 3>publicity about what happened ten odd years ago and all

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.680
<v Speaker 3>the years before that. But you have to ask the question,

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 3>what on earth was this school thinking and what was

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 3>the wealth the Welsh Sorry Refugee Council thinking when a

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 3>year ago, just a decade after Pakistani men had been

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 3>found to be systematically abusing girls of about this age,

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 3>What were they thinking putting out a video saying come

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 3>to Wales, We're going to treat you well.

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Take a look.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to ours. We understand being a refugee

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 2>isn't easy. They go through so much cleaning.

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Your country is difficult for Wales as to help you

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:12.119
<v Speaker 3>feel welcome.

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 5>As a nation of country who welcome anyone and everyone.

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 4>We recognize your skills and talent.

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Not only that, but Whales office free education unhealthy.

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 3>We understand that you're feel a lot and that is

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 3>why the Wild Refugee Council is here to help you.

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's almost like they're enticing these men to

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 3>come to Wales. Look what you can have here. Chris Philp,

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 3>the UK Shadow Home Secretary, said it was deeply irresponsible

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 3>for the Welsh Refugee Council to share a video featuring

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 3>only young girls in the first place, especially in light

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 3>of the long standing grooming gang's scandal. I mean, you

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.919
<v Speaker 3>look at that now. I can't believe they didn't look

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 3>at it then and what the elder but you look

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 3>at that now and go, honestly, who ever thought that

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 3>was a good idea?

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 2>We should point out we blurred the girls, correct, The

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Welsh Refugee Council did not. This is wrong on two levels. Firstly,

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 2>while we involving twelve year old girls in the immigration debate,

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>what does a twelve year old kid have to say

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>of value about all the nuances of immigration policy. And second,

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.959
<v Speaker 2>of course for the Welsh Refugee Council to share that

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>video and they said, oh we weren't promoting you know,

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>for refugees to come. We just thought it was nice

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 2>that they had said something about the Refugee Council. Well,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.639
<v Speaker 2>that's absolute rubbish. They knew exactly what they were doing.

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 2>It's wrong. The school took it down after they realized

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the Refugee Council should never have done that. And now

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Kirs Starmer is saying that this video, it's been shared

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>by Elon Musk, he's promoted it, and Kios Starmer says

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 2>it's more right wing.

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>What's the word I'm looking for, ohsterio, the right hysteria.

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>It's highlight highlighting one of the greatest failures in the

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 2>history of England, at which he was at the forefront

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 2>of it. No wonder he doesn't like this video now resurfacing.

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 5>There are genuinely no words. We would not be allowed

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 5>to share the words that judges have uttered regarding these

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 5>particular cases describing what was done to the girls in England,

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 5>especially in certain parts like Rotterdam. Like you mentioned, it

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 5>is unspeakable. It is beyond animalistic, it is demonic.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 4>It is disgusting.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 5>And the fact that anyone thought this was a good idea.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 5>I often say that negligence, this bad doesn't exist. This

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:45.479
<v Speaker 5>is when I start looking at was this deliberate? Because

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 5>for crying out loud, you're telling me no one at

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 5>the Welsh Refugee Council thought, oh actually this isn't This

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 5>isn't going to fly.

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 4>This is very distasteful.

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 5>Even if you didn't have the background of what's been

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 5>happening over the last decade or so, even if that

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 5>wasn't there, this is extremely unwise, Like you say, to

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 5>involve children in essentially talking about something that they have

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 5>absolutely no idea what they're saying, using them as political pawns.

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 5>You do wonder where their parents were. My goodness, I'd

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 5>want these people's guts for garters back home to Australia now,

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 5>where citizenship test failure rates have been revealed.

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 4>For last year in twenty twenty.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 5>Four, as migration and social cohesion shape up to be

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 5>key battle grounds at the next election, the Herald Son

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 5>can reveal that while more than one hundred and eighty

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 5>three thousand citizenship tests were taken last year, only one

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 5>hundred and twenty two thousand people pass.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 4>The Opposition, which.

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 5>Has previously acclused accused Labor of neglecting to teach new

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 5>citizens what it means to be Australian, says the new

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 5>data is of deep concern.

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 4>What's of deep.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 5>Concern to me is that you are already living here. Okay,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 5>you're not visiting. You are living here. You have emigrated here.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 5>Now you're applying for citizenship, which means that you've been

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 5>here for quite some years already. And you can't pass

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 5>a twenty question multi choice.

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 4>So you've got the answer in front of you.

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 5>You just have to pick out of three choices which

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 5>is the right answer. You can't pass that test.

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 4>You're allowed to get a quarter of.

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 5>Them wrong and still pass any more of that than

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 5>you've failed. Then if you fail, you get to come

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 5>back three more times and just.

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 4>Try it on again.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 5>I find it disturbing that the failure rates of this high,

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 5>simply because we're talking about people who already live here

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 5>and haven't even cared enough about their new home country

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 5>and the culture and the people therein to learn basic

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 5>stuff like what's the capital of Australia.

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's two important points here.

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>One of them is that the failure rate went through

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the roof after twenty twenty, when the Morrison government put

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 3>in questions about Australian values, Right, that's the hurdle that

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 3>they're falling down at. So these people are being asked

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>what are Australian values and they can't tell you this.

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like a freedom of speech, the mocracy, these kinds of.

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>That is extremely traveling.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 3>And the largest failures were people on humanitarian visas, those

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 3>who should be the most grateful that Australia has given

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 3>them the opportunity not only to live somewhere safer and

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 3>have another go at their life, but now a shot

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.719
<v Speaker 3>at actually being an Australian, and these are the people

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>who fail most often. It makes a mockery of what

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 3>we have offered them.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>But the mockery really is the people have put together

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 2>this test. I mean one of the questions that we're

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 2>currently asking people who want to be citizens of this country.

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>We're asking them who is authorized to perform a welcome country.

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>That now, apparently is the very important thing to know

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to be a citizen. What a lot

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of a rubbish. That's the last thing we need them

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to worry about. But a government spokesperson who was talking

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>about the high failure rate said that it's very important

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 2>that those doing the tests are given a fair go

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and that the test one of the Australian values and

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>that the test does not quote create barriers to citizenship.

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I would have thought the purpose of the test was

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>to create barriers, barrier out understand our values. The Refugee

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Council of Australia was just recently lobbying for the test

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>to be offered in languages other than English. Is a

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 2>little bit sort of counter productive, but there you go.

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the state of our country under the current government.

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about an interesting decision by Cole's

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Supermarkets in light of a horrific attack on one of

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>their staff members in Ipswich, Queensland on Monday. A sixty

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>three year old staff member was stocking the shelves when

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a third teen year old boy grabbed a knife that

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>was on the shelf for sale and stabbed her in

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the back allegedly. Allegedly. She is now in hospital, allegedly

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>recovering alleged, but the kids being charged.

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>The kids being charged, we have he's alleged that he's committed.

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>This was pretty clear what happened. Knife didn't end up

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>there by accident. As a strong as a response to this,

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 2>alleged incident, Coles have now made the decision they will

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>not stock kitchen knives at all. I would argue that

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>while this is a horrific attack, it's also incredibly incredibly rare.

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It seems to me, and I don't want to sound heartless,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>but it does seem like a bit of an overreaction

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to now say we will not sell kitchen knives at all.

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.239
<v Speaker 2>It means your average Ozsie has got to find a

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>specialist knife shop to buy basic kitchen utensils. And it

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>begs the question what sort of security now do knife

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 2>shops overreaction.

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 5>Or if they behind the counter with smokes or something

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 5>something like that where you can be seen to do

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 5>something to respond to the incident.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is a massive overreaction.

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 5>Especially because if you shop.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:14.879
<v Speaker 4>At Cole's, browsers are down.

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 5>If you're want of those people they have recently, like

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 5>literally they are locking up their smeag knives that you

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 5>were in line to get as loyal customers that were

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 5>literally handing out free knives, and now they're chucking them

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 5>out by the bus load. This is utter nonsense, and

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 5>they could have managed this so much more easily by

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 5>being like, hey, if you want to buy knives, they're

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 5>in this cabinet, you have to go up to the

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 5>customer service desk. I mean, not many people are buying

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 5>knives on a daily average, so it's not like.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 4>They're going to be like, oh, the desk can't handle it.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 4>That would have been perfectly fine.

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that annoys me with stuff like this

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.240
<v Speaker 2>is we all know it's just much easy to say, well,

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>we just won't stop knives, and they have a conversation

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 2>about what the hell is wrong? Yes, with our culture

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>where we've got thirteen year old kids stabbing strangers in

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the back in the middle of a Coles supermarket, that

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>is a conversation we should be having, but no one

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 2>wants to have it, much less should you smack your children.

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Let's put all of that together. There's something we don't

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about, so instead let's just hide the knife.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Well is brought up earlier the idea of knee jerk policy, right,

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 3>and this is the ultimate example of kneejerk policy.

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Now I've written about this for news.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Dot com dot Au you can read it tomorrow, an

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 3>excellent column. But I'll tell you all the stuff that

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to write in it anyway, but I suggest

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 3>you do go and read it nevertheless.

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>But the thing that annoys me about this is.

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 3>You know, I get that Cole's wants to be seen

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 3>to be doing something. Just as last year when we

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 3>had a spate of knife incidents in New South Wales,

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 3>the Men's government wanted to be seen to be doing something,

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 3>so they brought in these laws that meant that you

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 3>could be searched for a knife at a place where

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 3>there had been another knife incident without a warranty.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 4>US.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't do anything to stop knife I mean, if

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 3>a thirteen year old kid wants to stab someone, they

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 3>can get a kitchen knife from any house in the

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 3>country or any workplace in the country. We're not talking

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 3>about something that is hard to get your hands on.

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 3>A kitchen knife is not designed to be a weapon.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 3>It's designed to do a job in the same way

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 3>that a car is not designed to be a weapon,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 3>but it is also incredibly dangerous and kills thousands of people.

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Get cars at a supermarket, well no, but you can

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 3>get a car at a car dealership. But you wouldn't say, oh,

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to sell that because we've had an

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 3>incident with a car right.

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 1>And the problem here is so often we say.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, okay, we'll give up a little bit of liberty

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 3>in order to make people safer, until one day we

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 3>will wake up having given away every bit of liberty

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 3>we have to achieve ultimate safety, and we still won't

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>be safe. Then that's what annoys me about this. It

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 3>doesn't actually fix anything. It doesn't stop knife crime. And

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 3>by the way, knife crime in New South Wales anyway

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 3>is lower than it was ten years ago, lower than

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 3>it was twenty years ago. We don't have a big

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 3>problem with knife crime. We have a problem with youth crime.

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 3>And you don't treat that by banning the sale of kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, after that our apply be in America. I'm

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>rushing out to buy the paper to Maria, real that

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>that was very very good. Speaking of papers. Will be

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>back in just a moment with what's making news in

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow's papers? Stick around, welcome back. Let's take a look

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. Caleb, you've got

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the Australian some great stories on tomorrow's front paper.

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 3>They certainly are hardly a chain saw is the headline

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 3>lives guardrails no guarantee of fiscal prudence, and this one's

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 3>a ripper. The coalition self imposed expenditure limits would allow

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 3>for higher spending than what is being for us by labor,

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 3>prompting economists to accuse Angus Taylor of failing to outline

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 3>a credible pathway towards a lower spending and lower taxing

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 3>future if there is a change in government.

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So The Australian has.

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<v Speaker 3>Done some analysis of the numbers that the Coalition have

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 3>put together and found that they would permit sixteen point

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 3>eight billion dollars more spending than what was forecast by

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the Albanese government in December.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you couldn't script this stuff.

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 5>And Albo's literally out there saying they're going to take

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 5>a sledgehammer, They're going to take a chain sawter services.

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 5>You guys are going to be living in caves. Now

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 5>that's my paraphrase, but basically threatening people saying, you know,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 5>the quality of service with a.

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 4>Health, education, you name it.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 5>These guys are going to absolutely slash It's simply not true.

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 2>More well, I mean, it doesn't mean that they're going

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 2>to spend that extra sixteen billion dollars more than the

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>government at spend if re elected. But it does mean

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 2>they can make some mockrob they have promised. I mean,

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I know, you give some flexibility.

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 4>We all love a bit of flat you know.

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I just love to see and then you know, I

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 3>hate to praise the guy given his latter day pursuits,

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 3>but you know the days of Bob Hawk and Paul

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Keating as a treasurer, who in their day Keating as

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 3>a treasurer and later as a Prime minister, who were

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 3>unafraid to pursue economic reform, who were unafraid to shake

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 3>things up and say no, this is what I mean.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 3>The reformer was instituted by labor governments that you wouldn't

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 3>get from any labor government.

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Today. I just everyone seems.

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Afraid to actually say, yes, we're going to have major

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 3>tax reform, We're going to have major spending reform. We're

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 3>going to change the way the government works in this country.

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>No one has the balls to do.

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>It any You're saying free everything is not a reform.

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, funny about that.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was an economic refer in the way our.

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Government good way to get votes, isn't it.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 3>The story on the front of the elves tomorrow. This

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 3>one is truly extraordinary.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Judge Lash's egregious breach.

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.760
<v Speaker 3>A district court judge has lashed a decision by Western

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Australian minister Don Punch to return awarded the state into

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.919
<v Speaker 3>the home of a child sex predator as utterly extraordinary

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 3>and suggested the state rethink fighting a sex abuse compensation

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 3>against it. Mister Punch was in a senior role with

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 3>the Department of Communities in nineteen ninety eight when he

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 3>helped return an eighty year old to his mother and

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 3>her de facto partner. Now, this is far from the

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 3>only example of these things across the country. I mean,

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 3>this is just one case in Western Australia. But if

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 3>you want to delve into the foster system, there are

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>so many stories I've heard I could tell you about

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 3>that will make your skin crawl. But it's amazing to

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>think that the government would now try to defend itself

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 3>against that.

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Just put your hands out and say, yep, that was bad. Well.

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>The admission came during a court case. The boy who

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>now I guess older, who has allegedly been abused, is

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 2>claiming not just the de facto but other members of

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the family also abused him and is blaming the government

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.239
<v Speaker 2>for it. So the government have admitted that, on the

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>balance of probabilities, they knew the de facto was abusing

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>this boy, and yet they return him to the de facto. Anyway,

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.240
<v Speaker 2>what the government are disagreeing with is that other members

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.399
<v Speaker 2>of the family were abusing and that they knew about that.

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 2>The point that's being made by the judge is, well,

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to admit you knew about the de facto, indeed,

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 2>are you seriously going to continue with this court case?

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you just stop now while you're ahead, pay

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever compensation is due, and let this kid not have

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>to give evidence. He's been violated enough, not just by terrible,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 2>evil people, but by the government themselves in pursuing this

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 2>court case.

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 5>One hundred percent, they don't have a leg to stand on.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 5>By the sounds and whenever a hear of a case

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 5>like this, this is something that tax payers would be

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 5>more than happy for the government to fit the bill for.

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Just own up.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 4>It is your fault.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 5>Oh I just well, these kind of cases just they

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 5>boggle the mind that that could ever happen.

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 4>And yet here we are.

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Just going on a lighter angle. Another story on the

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 3>front of the Ears tomorrow. This one is hilarious. I

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 3>have to say in the top right hand call of

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 3>the paper that you'll see it's his wife band India's

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 3>response to Ossie tour drubbing.

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:07.959
<v Speaker 1>And of course you would know that.

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 3>The Indians came out here to play against Australia in

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the Test.

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Series the Border Gabasca.

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Trophy and we demolished them and rightly so, getting the

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 3>trophy back for the first time in a decade. But

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 3>India has now said the BCCI, which runs Indian Cricket

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 3>and also runs World Cricket, but we don't.

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Talk about that. But they have said that the wives.

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And partners of the players now because you know they

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 3>think they played badly in Australia, that they must have

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>been a distraction.

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>That was the problem. That's what caused.

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that catching.

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't the fact that the women, wasn't the fact

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 3>that Virat Cooley should have retired a year ago and

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that the captain should have retired a year ago, hence

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 3>why he didn't play in the last match. But they've

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 3>now said that wives and partners will only be able

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 3>to join for two weeks on six week tours and

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 3>one week on shorter tours. That's what's going to turn

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 3>the Indian cricket team around, is to deprive them of

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 3>access to their wives and parties.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Call this one up, all right, let's go to the

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>front page of the Daily Telegraph. Obviously, people in Sydney

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>suffering today badly with trained strikes that's set to continue tomorrow.

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>The headline says commuter fury over one thousand canceled trains

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.440
<v Speaker 2>as strikes stop Sydney dead in its tracks. It's getting ridiculous.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>The article reads commuters will abandon the CBD and their

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>workplaces today. That's speaking, of course, of Thursday, after rail

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>strikes caused a thousand train cancelations and a complete meltdown

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of the system. Crammed carriages sat still for hours, infuriating

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>commuters as the union boss at the center of a

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.240
<v Speaker 2>bit of wage fight with the state government sensationally claimed

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.839
<v Speaker 2>he had the support of the public. I'm not about that.

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I got to say that is a sensational lane, quite presumptuous.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>They've just knocked back a fifteen percent. I'm not sure

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>about the support of the public. One train today, Liz

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>was running at this you know how late it was.

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 2>It was eight hours late. When your train is eight.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 5>Hours nobody's waiting, nobody waiting.

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And Uber chargers just you know how Uber surge is

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>at periods. Yes, De Mardin, of course you were trying

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to get an Uber in the Sydney CBD today. You

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>were paying an absolute fortune.

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 3>The union needs to be absolutely reamed over this like

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 3>it is a disgrace and to think that they would

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 3>have the support of the public after that.

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned Uber.

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I saw in all the like Facebook community groups today

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 3>people are like, are you trying to go home?

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Can we share an Uber? Because it was so expensive?

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Friends will be made over this to the front page

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 5>of the Northern Territory News now dv cash stuck in

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 5>limbo promised one hundred and eighty million dollars you have.

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 4>To be allocated.

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 5>The CLP has been accused of backtracking from a critical

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 5>domestic violence funding promise and playing politics with WI women's

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:02.280
<v Speaker 5>and children's lives. We don't have access to the full

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 5>article yet, but we know the Northern Territory has the

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 5>worst domestic violet rates in the nation, with intimate partner

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 5>homicides seven times the national average. Why on earth would

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 5>you hold up something like this. The government has some

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 5>serious answers to give.

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 2>This is typical of our politicians now, and they do

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.839
<v Speaker 2>it on all sides. They make an announcement and then

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>think they've done their job. They tell you how much

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 2>money's been allocated. Then they walk away and forget all

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 4>And they don't forget.

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 2>It's not a fix, It doesn't change anything. You've actually

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>got to follow through. There's a distinct lack of that.

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>But how hard can it be? I mean, you've got

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:42.320
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighty million.

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a sizeable sum of money to deal with what

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 3>is a sizeable problem. And it won't even touch the sides,

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 3>to be perfectly honest, But you've got that money sitting there.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.879
<v Speaker 3>How can you not do something with it? I mean,

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, we talk about what's going on in our

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 3>springs all the time. Sometimes I think if we weren't

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 3>talking about it, no one would talk about it. This

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 3>is what people are living through every day.

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and eighty million dollars is sitting there. Just

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 1>get the hell on with it.

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Ye.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, we're going to go to a break when we

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>come back a celebrities are always telling us that fossil

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>fuels cause natural disasters. So why are celebrities fleeing the

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>La fires in private jets. It's coming up in just

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 2>a moment. Welcome back, well, celebrity hypocrisy, You say, surely

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>there can't be such a thing, Caleb, Oh.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Never heard of it, But I'm about to tell you

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. Though.

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Leonardo DiCaprio, who would you believe it, in twenty fourteen,

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:36.399
<v Speaker 3>was able to get this right.

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 1>He was a messenger of peace.

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 3>To the UN on climate change. For heaven's sake, you

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 3>would have seen these wildfires going on in La at

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 3>the moment. They've basically raised the Pacific Palisades, and lots

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 3>of celebrities, including Megan Markle, have been out there on

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 3>the ground hugging people or more importantly, donating money to

0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:00.359
<v Speaker 3>help people who've been affected by these fires. Not Leonardo Decao,

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the man who has lectured us on climate change, and

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 3>of course we are told that these fires are at

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 3>least in part caused by climate change.

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:08.879
<v Speaker 1>What did he do about it?

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.479
<v Speaker 3>He got on a private jet, packed on his wife

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 3>and her family and flew to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that is exactly what you do when you.

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<v Speaker 3>See fires caused by climate change, you make the situation

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<v Speaker 3>just a little bit worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know they can talk the talk. Where

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to see these people walk the walk?

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<v Speaker 3>The elites once again telling us how to live our

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<v Speaker 3>lives while people suffer in la He says, bugger, you

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<v Speaker 3>got mine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just typical.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. Now, let's talk about pizza for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone watching at home. If you're a smart person and

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<v Speaker 2>I know who you are, you like barbecue meat lovers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only way to have pizza, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>important people that.

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<v Speaker 1>What about a pepperoni?

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<v Speaker 2>True pepperoni is fine Hawaiian? Hawaiian that divides people. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a pizza store in the UK. They sell their pizzas

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<v Speaker 2>from between ten and seventeen pairs. But if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a Hawaiian, they're going to charge you one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds for the privilege. They call it a tropical menace,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're charging one hundred pounds as a way

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to deter people from ordering this. On the

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<v Speaker 2>menu they've written get this Hawaiian. Yeah, for one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pounds you can have it. Order the Champagne to go

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<v Speaker 2>on your monster one hundred pounds. Now they say they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had any orders yet. Funny about it, but I reckon,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're stupid enough to like, stupid enough to pay pizza,

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<v Speaker 2>not just for the prize, but once you've seen.

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<v Speaker 5>That visual that's you most discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't he take it?

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<v Speaker 3>When the moon eats a eye like a big pizza pie,

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<v Speaker 3>that's more money you've got to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say I don't mind it, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know I'll eat it if it's in front

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<v Speaker 3>of me. I know the purists will say you can't

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<v Speaker 3>do that. But the thing I judge Italian restaurants on

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<v Speaker 3>is if I go into a restaurant and they've got

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<v Speaker 3>cream in the carbonara, I won't touch it. Cream does

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<v Speaker 3>not belong in carbon and more important than pineapple on pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon, There you go, well, we're hungry, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go get something to eat, but you stay in front

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<v Speaker 2>of your TV. Read A penny is up in just

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<v Speaker 2>a moment