Speaker 1: I got you, Bloody Champs, Craig Anthey Arpatifany and good Patrick,
Speaker 1: James Manela. It's the You Project, It's the tech show.
Speaker 1: It's a once a fortnite bloody extravaganza of let's be honest,
Speaker 1: mainly bullshit with a bit of technology thrown in. Speaking
Speaker 1: of bullshit, Hi Patrick.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's just the epic.
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you. You're loved. How are you?
Speaker 2: Well? You know you're saying I'm loved, but I'm not
Speaker 2: feeling that.
Speaker 1: Well. It's the I don't know, it's the dysfunctional Australian
Speaker 1: male way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: If I love you, I'm not going to tell you,
Speaker 1: or if I'm going to tell you, I'm going to
Speaker 1: put your funck with on the end of it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and punch me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and punch you. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't just look at you and go, Patrick, I
Speaker 1: love you, because that that is way too weird, probably
Speaker 1: even for you, who's a little bit more evolved than me.
Speaker 1: Okay a lot. That's probably even weird for you. But
Speaker 1: you know, I love you, mate. That's all right, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I love you too, Craigo, And if I love you too,
Speaker 2: and please don't punch me.
Speaker 4: I was just about the same. My love language is
Speaker 4: a left.
Speaker 2: Hook exactly, That's right, That.
Speaker 1: Is funny. What is your love language speaking? And let's
Speaker 1: just get this out of the way. So if you
Speaker 1: the four of you don't know, is it not Gary Gray?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? John Gray?
Speaker 4: John Gray's Gary?
Speaker 1: Some just just gone blame anyway, the Five Love Languages?
Speaker 2: John, Can I just clarify something you just said, the
Speaker 2: four of you? Who's the other person out in three
Speaker 2: of us?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I was going to say, the four
Speaker 1: of you who haven't heard of that book, The Five
Speaker 1: Love Languages?
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, because.
Speaker 1: I've spoken about it quite a bit. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: five love languages, physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time,
Speaker 1: I'm what is it? What is the gifts? And acts
Speaker 1: of service? Thank you? Patrick? And yeah, what's yours? Mate?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Like, what when you are expressing love or you want
Speaker 1: to show someone that you love them, what do you?
Speaker 1: And I guess it depends whether or not it's you know,
Speaker 1: like family or friend or someone or something a bit
Speaker 1: more intimate, But what's your what's your kind of how
Speaker 1: do you show people that you love them or care
Speaker 1: about them.
Speaker 2: I'm big into hugs. Yeah, you both have been recipients.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've been to see a movie with you
Speaker 1: and pretty much we held hands the whole time. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know there were moments where we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: that time where you were holding my cocky and when
Speaker 1: it got scary. But you can't say that, can't take
Speaker 1: that out, tip, take it out, take it out and
Speaker 1: job in the cinema hashtag coming soon what I know,
Speaker 1: and by coming I mean movie stop it wow, straight in.
Speaker 4: We've just what has has been banned from Hoyts.
Speaker 1: He calls it cooits Oh god, So it took us
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds to get here. I apologize, no wonder no
Speaker 1: one listens to this episode. There's three sick fucks and
Speaker 1: go this is this whole technology thing. It's a ruse.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's nothing going on here, nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: Fans of the podcast realm, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. And Tiff, what about so Patrick's physical touch
Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone that doesn't despite all the bullshit,
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to mean anything sexual. It's just off
Speaker 1: in a hug or or you know, a tap on
Speaker 1: the back or a little bit of a quick sideways
Speaker 1: squeeze or something. What about you?
Speaker 2: Sorry? What is his think that sounds creepy? What from
Speaker 2: a hut to a bit of a sideways grope?
Speaker 1: I said squeeze, I did not say grope. Sorry, call Tiff.
Speaker 4: I think I'm a bit words of affirmation, you know what?
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting? I look at how I behave
Speaker 4: with my animals bother them.
Speaker 1: But I think that's because I reckon. I reckon. Your
Speaker 1: love language is context a pennant, like because yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you don't open the door that wide with humans, but
Speaker 1: animals you're like it's a free for all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes I think if I was someone's girlfriend, the
Speaker 4: way I behave with my dogs, i'd have the restraining
Speaker 4: order to put on me.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, and I know this is like cliche,
Speaker 1: but like you know that like even cats, like animals
Speaker 1: don't lie, like they might hate you or love you,
Speaker 1: but you're going to know they might want affection or not,
Speaker 1: but they're not pretending, you know, And even if they
Speaker 1: want food, they're you know, they're very clear about what
Speaker 1: they want. You know, there's you don't have to read
Speaker 1: between the lines like you do with humans. There's no
Speaker 1: persona and person.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm having a bit of a chuckle to myself because
Speaker 2: whilst we've been talking, my dog has walked into the
Speaker 2: little studio and pressed his head up against my hand,
Speaker 2: and now I'm just padding him. Fritz. What we're talking,
Speaker 2: he knows, which is why I'm leading to one side.
Speaker 2: I'm not having a stroke or anything, but like he's
Speaker 2: having anyway, Leave it there.
Speaker 1: Gary Chapman, his name is fucking hell. Why did I
Speaker 1: blank on that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Speaking of dogs and animals, Patrick, I see on your
Speaker 1: little chat list that we want to open. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much this is tech, but it is psychology,
Speaker 1: so I do love it, and it does involve dogs,
Speaker 1: so we all love it. I think you know. I
Speaker 1: had to tell you. I don't think this is new research,
Speaker 1: but I love the research.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell us about why having a dog could
Speaker 1: be good for your health.
Speaker 2: Well, look, they did it. The research specifically looked at
Speaker 2: how we interact with dogs but also cats, and what
Speaker 2: they tried to do was typify a dog owner and
Speaker 2: a cat owner. Now you fall smack bang in the middle. Tip,
Speaker 2: But it's interestingly before Craig jumped into the call. You
Speaker 2: were actually you were bitching about your stand up desks.
Speaker 2: What did your cat do?
Speaker 4: What did a cat do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why doesn't your desk work anymore? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, she chewed the fucking cord that makes
Speaker 4: it go up and down.
Speaker 2: So cat owners have a higher tendency towards anxiety and
Speaker 2: they're more neurotic than dog owners. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Wow, how I wonder is that just is that a
Speaker 1: byproduct of owning a cat? Or is that just that
Speaker 1: eurotic anxious people choose cats because cats are eurotic and anxious.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. Well, look, this was only
Speaker 2: a survey of three hundred and twenty one people and
Speaker 2: it was done at James Cook University and right here
Speaker 2: at Australia. But the reason for it was it was
Speaker 2: a lot of people got a lot of consolation during
Speaker 2: COVID lockdown by having pets, and it seemed that people
Speaker 2: who had dogs got through it and were more resilient,
Speaker 2: particularly if they were confined, and so that helped a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh that's showing. What did your cat? Oh did they
Speaker 2: knock over the mug and break it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the last mug that she's broke, she's break.
Speaker 4: She's gotten rid of thirty on indoor plants in the
Speaker 4: two years I've had her, and all of the ornaments
Speaker 4: have been broken. And about three mugs.
Speaker 2: Are you really anxious right now that your cat could
Speaker 2: be doing something while you're stuck here the podcast?
Speaker 4: I'm feeling like I'm not sure what my love language
Speaker 4: is anymore?
Speaker 1: Why do you keep buying indoor plans if you know
Speaker 1: that their time is nine?
Speaker 4: No? No, now I've got now I have artificial ones? Wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: which she still causes chaos with.
Speaker 1: I don't know the value of just is it just
Speaker 1: an aesthetic thing?
Speaker 4: Or do you like an aesthetic thing? Now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And so all those ones I can see over your
Speaker 1: left shoulder, there's about five. Are they fake?
Speaker 4: Two of them are real? There's two that she hasn't
Speaker 4: messed with. The other twenty eight odd They made their
Speaker 4: way outside and eventually passed away.
Speaker 1: Patrick. I don't want to throw an emotional spanner in
Speaker 1: the works, but like we've been through this with Tiff,
Speaker 1: where you know, one of the puppies died way way
Speaker 1: way before she should have. How old is Fritz? Now?
Speaker 2: It's that ton nine on the first of so We'll
Speaker 2: know he's.
Speaker 1: Going to live to twenty five, so let's not worry.
Speaker 1: But when he does turn twenty five and goes to
Speaker 1: that big fucking kennel in the sky, are you going
Speaker 1: to get another one?
Speaker 2: I will be an emotional mess for quite a while.
Speaker 2: My previous give you a bit of a snapshot. I've
Speaker 2: only ever had two dogs, and my previous dog died
Speaker 2: suddenly at the pet rumors, so it was quite a shock.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was totally bereft. I was a blubbering idiot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I really struggled when I lost my first dog.
Speaker 2: And to give you an idea of how bad it was.
Speaker 2: For the next month after that, I'd go walking in
Speaker 2: the morning with his ashes in my backpack because I
Speaker 2: just felt I still wanted to walk him.
Speaker 1: No, my god, that's the saddest thing ever.
Speaker 2: Well, I just they are. And that was the interesting thing.
Speaker 2: People with dogs during COVID were less lonely, you know,
Speaker 2: having a dog and that connection, you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting I'm still sitting here right now patting him.
Speaker 2: I think for people, particularly older people or people who
Speaker 2: live alone, it's great to have that company, to have
Speaker 2: that animal next to you to talk to, to play with,
Speaker 2: you know, and also the sense of reliance. I kind
Speaker 2: of like that, you know, caring and talking about love languages.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look after an animal. I've always felt
Speaker 2: and I've always said that I'm not a pet owner.
Speaker 2: I feel that I'm entrusted to look after the animal
Speaker 2: as opposed to owning the animal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't like owner, like it
Speaker 1: kind of infers that the animal is a commodity or
Speaker 1: a product, you know, an item to be owned. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like that language either, because I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we can own animals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I understand the language, but to me, it's the
Speaker 1: wrong language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly why I never say I own Fritz.
Speaker 2: I'm entrusted with him. And it's great. I think that
Speaker 2: if you can I haven't had a dog and you
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to babysit one's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And when you connect and if you're the same, I
Speaker 2: know how much you love your dog and your cat
Speaker 2: on some level. Hey, if you had to choose which one,
Speaker 2: would you choose the dog the cat?
Speaker 4: By choose there's no choosing.
Speaker 1: You can't ask it.
Speaker 2: You can't ask it.
Speaker 1: You can't ask I don't want to open the pain
Speaker 1: door any wider than it's been opened, but fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it on behalf of the curious listeners. You're welcome, listeners, Patrick.
Speaker 1: How does somebody send their dog to the groomers and
Speaker 1: the dog not come back as much or as little
Speaker 1: as you want to share? And if that is zero,
Speaker 1: that's fine, But I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: What happened was Look, we think it may have been
Speaker 2: a heart condition, you know, and the diet stressed when
Speaker 2: they were being groomed. So but yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: pretty awful. And look, the groomer was bereft as well.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just me. I mean, obviously they
Speaker 2: didn't plan for that to happen, says he who got
Speaker 2: there and started giving his dog mouth to resuscitation. You know,
Speaker 2: I know how to give CPI had a dog and
Speaker 2: not a human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the worst skill to have. It's pretty
Speaker 1: transferable too. So just think of the next person that's
Speaker 1: lifeless as a big dog, and you'll be fine to.
Speaker 2: Put your hand over their mouth and breathe into their nose.
Speaker 1: Okay, you could even do that. You could do that.
Speaker 1: You know it's not the preferred.
Speaker 5: Model or operating system, but well, right, can we can
Speaker 5: we talk about something more uplifting because everybody's reaching for
Speaker 5: the fucking tissues and some anti depressant at the minute.
Speaker 2: Can we Yeah, okay, here's a good one. How do
Speaker 2: you want to feel like you're living a fuller, longer
Speaker 2: enriched life.
Speaker 1: We all do, right, Yes, I would think nobody's going
Speaker 1: to say no to.
Speaker 2: That, Isn't it interesting? Do you remember when you were
Speaker 2: in primary school how school holidays went for a million years,
Speaker 2: and when you're younger, everything takes longer. Everything felt like
Speaker 2: it went for an eternity. School went for an eternity,
Speaker 2: and then you went home, and then it was an eternity,
Speaker 2: and then you went back to school again in the home.
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting I guess psychological aspect to our
Speaker 2: perception of who we are and what we do is
Speaker 2: that the way we perceive the movement of time so constant,
Speaker 2: and we experience it in the same way. Every minute
Speaker 2: lasts the same for me and for you and for Tiff. However,
Speaker 2: depending on what we're doing, that can change. Dramatically. And
Speaker 2: a good example is if you go the same place
Speaker 2: to the same location for the first time you go there,
Speaker 2: it seems like it takes a long time. Then as
Speaker 2: you become more familiar with the route that you're taking,
Speaker 2: it seems to take less time. The more familiarity, we're
Speaker 2: not taking in new information. So if you want to
Speaker 2: as you get older, you know, we say it all
Speaker 2: the time, gosh, you know, time flies, you know suddenly
Speaker 2: you know you're sixty seven years old and every day
Speaker 2: is a blink. But what it's thought is the way
Speaker 2: to enhance your life. If you want to feel like
Speaker 2: you're living a longer life, start doing newer things, learn
Speaker 2: newer things, and not to be anything drastic. You know,
Speaker 2: you could join my taichi class. No, but if you
Speaker 2: think about it, anything new that you do takes more
Speaker 2: mental focus. As a consequence, it's from a perception perspective,
Speaker 2: it feels like it's taking longer, and so holding on
Speaker 2: to a thought. You may be in meditation, you might
Speaker 2: be praying, or you could be out learning a new skill,
Speaker 2: you could be doing pottery, whatever it happens to be.
Speaker 2: But doing new things can be really beneficial and it
Speaker 2: might be going a different way for your walk in
Speaker 2: the morning, and suddenly you're seeing new things, taking notice
Speaker 2: of new things, new flowers, new hills, you know, whatever
Speaker 2: it happens to be. So it's just an interesting little
Speaker 2: exercise that we can all do, and it's not expensive
Speaker 2: and it doesn't take a lot of energy. It just
Speaker 2: is about shifting the way that we think about what
Speaker 2: we're doing to try to make our life, according to neuroscience,
Speaker 2: more fuller.
Speaker 1: I love it. And also there's the that actually makes
Speaker 1: sense and I haven't really thought of that, but I've
Speaker 1: always been fascinated with the constant that is time versus
Speaker 1: our perception and our individual experience of that constant, because
Speaker 1: you're right, like, if you're in the middle of something
Speaker 1: fucking horrible, five minutes seems like five hours, and if
Speaker 1: you're in a complete state of flow and maybe euphoria,
Speaker 1: an hour can seem like three or four minutes, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's the way that we process it. But I
Speaker 1: think also when you're doing new things, apart from that
Speaker 1: kind of different perception of time, you know, you're having
Speaker 1: a new experience, like you're learning something and you may
Speaker 1: be opening the door to you know, a different set
Speaker 1: of you know, or a different lot of biochemistry happening
Speaker 1: in the brain because you're you're tapping into new things.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I like it. It makes sense too. But
Speaker 1: also think about this. When you're four, like twelve months
Speaker 1: is twenty five percent of your life, but when you're sixty,
Speaker 1: like me, it's not even two percent, you know, So
Speaker 1: there is that that relative to the age of the
Speaker 1: individual kind of factor as well.
Speaker 2: Well. What are the things you can think if you're
Speaker 2: brushing your teeth and you have to use your non
Speaker 2: dominant hand because you're focusing so much harder, it seems
Speaker 2: to take a lot longer, doesn't it. Yes, yes, you
Speaker 2: know those neural pathways of focus and attention. It's actually
Speaker 2: an interesting thing to do. I always take my tell
Speaker 2: my tie cheese students to brush their teeth standing on
Speaker 2: one foot and that way. It's a good thing for
Speaker 2: core stability, and also because they're moving their hands up
Speaker 2: and down, you're getting those micro movements and you're having
Speaker 2: to readjust your balance constantly. It's just so simple. It
Speaker 2: doesn't take much at all, but you turn something really
Speaker 2: mundane into something you've got to focus on a lot more.
Speaker 1: Now I do the same thing. I used to tell
Speaker 1: people to dry the dishes on one foot, so and
Speaker 1: that's same thing. You've got to reach over, grab the thing,
Speaker 1: grab the bowl, grab your tea towel, drive, put it
Speaker 1: on the bench. Reach. Yeah. Yeah, doing old things in
Speaker 1: new ways is a great way to keep young and
Speaker 1: to keep your body and your brain kind of evolving
Speaker 1: because you're not doing you're not stuck in groundtog day
Speaker 1: in terms of mindset or behavior or action taking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, across the road from your place that you go
Speaker 2: to a lot, Well, instead of walking across the road,
Speaker 2: walk around the block the opposite way.
Speaker 4: Hm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you say that. I typically have been
Speaker 1: running two or three k's three times a week, and
Speaker 1: I do the same course, and I started doing a
Speaker 1: different course. I enjoy it so much more, Like every
Speaker 1: time I just go somewhere different now, which is to
Speaker 1: your point, And I didn't even think about it. I
Speaker 1: just thought, I'm just going to I'm sick of this
Speaker 1: particular route because I know exactly how long it is,
Speaker 1: so when I get to certain points, I know what
Speaker 1: time I should be at because I'm not competitive at all.
Speaker 1: And then but now just going in different spaces and
Speaker 1: places and directions every time, I actually am having more fun.
Speaker 2: Did the stalking charges help make you change your route
Speaker 2: as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean sure, I mean there's that and
Speaker 1: also the divvy van that follows me as I run,
Speaker 1: which I mean that's a little disconcerting. But don't say that.
Speaker 1: People think you serious. All right, tell us about wherever
Speaker 1: you want to go. I'm not at the Tetris effect.
Speaker 1: What is the Tetris effect? I love Tetris, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, on me too. Tetris is one of the best
Speaker 2: games ever because it is so mentally challenging. The Tetris effect.
Speaker 2: It was discovered or if you play a game of
Speaker 2: Tetris for quite a lengthy amount of time and then
Speaker 2: you go to bed, it was found that some people
Speaker 2: who are gamers were visualizing subconsciously the Tetris effect, So
Speaker 2: the Tetris blocks turning around. So people know what tetrises.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming people know Tetris well.
Speaker 1: I would think half doo and half days.
Speaker 2: So it's like all it is is basically a screen
Speaker 2: where you've got colored blocks that are falling down and
Speaker 2: you have to rearrange the blocks so that they stack
Speaker 2: a long row, and then if you complete a row,
Speaker 2: the road then disappears, so you can belong the game
Speaker 2: by doing that. Is that kind of makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I wouldn't think of Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listening to this who's twenty five
Speaker 1: or thirty even or younger, they're definitely not saying Tetris
Speaker 1: is awesome. They're going, you are such a fucking granddad,
Speaker 1: Tetris is awesome. It's like going, oh, have you seen
Speaker 1: table tennis? Fucking hell, it's the next big thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We weren't playing it in the eighties, which is forty
Speaker 1: years ago, Grandpa, it was a long time, agodly groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: What about tetris though? That's big? No, it's not.
Speaker 2: So this researcher a govern the number Robert stick Gold.
Speaker 2: He that's not a real name name, not a.
Speaker 1: Real name, that's a pseudonym. He named Brian mcgilla Cuddy.
Speaker 2: So what he realized was he named the phenomenon after
Speaker 2: the puzzle because this usually happens when you're doing repetitive
Speaker 2: tasks just prior to going to sleep. But there actually
Speaker 2: is a positive flow and effect from this because what
Speaker 2: they're talking about doing is using this tetris effect people
Speaker 2: with PTSD. So people who have trouble sleeping, they want
Speaker 2: to do is they try to get the to play
Speaker 2: the game when they're recalling whatever the trauma happens to be,
Speaker 2: and it reworks the memory and write is it rewrites
Speaker 2: to the mental hard drive. And they're saying it can
Speaker 2: help lessen the impact of the memory when used in
Speaker 2: conjunction with playing a video game like this.
Speaker 1: That is really interesting. We call that that. You know,
Speaker 1: when there's a stimulus, like you think about like that
Speaker 1: neuro association, that thought has a neurological kind of consequence
Speaker 1: in the body and where that that trauma. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's clever. That's clever, Like I have this neuro association.
Speaker 1: Did you ever eat that that meat? What was it
Speaker 1: called that? Like lunch meat? It was called no, not spam.
Speaker 1: It was you know in those big tubes that your
Speaker 1: mum used to slice. Oh my god, not salami, No,
Speaker 1: not salami, no salamis.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: I forget.
Speaker 2: It was very the meat products for crying out.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but you haven't always been a vegan. You
Speaker 1: used to eat fucking charred animal flesh. Don't don't pretend
Speaker 1: you grew up eating carrots. Anyway, I ate some of
Speaker 1: this sandwich meat. Essentially it is just shit. And I
Speaker 1: got violently ill. I got food poisoning, and I used
Speaker 1: to love it, and then I got food poisoning. And
Speaker 1: then even now the if you gave me, if you
Speaker 1: just put that in front of me, I start to
Speaker 1: dry reach and that was I was so ill.
Speaker 2: And it was.
Speaker 1: Because of that stuff. And every time I would spew,
Speaker 1: I could taste it, and oh my god. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's forty years later and I still can't even think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Well, talking about processed meat, I did actually try a
Speaker 2: thing called tongue and versed once. What do you reckon
Speaker 2: toungu in verst is?
Speaker 1: I think it is a German product involving tongue.
Speaker 2: Correct and it's basically sliced tongue, and the slices of
Speaker 2: the show the shape of the tongue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my old man. Mild Man's like that, mild man,
Speaker 1: he'll it fucking everything that you don't want it, like
Speaker 1: tongue off lanes, like liver. I know people are going
Speaker 1: to go live. It's amazing live, Its fucking horrible.
Speaker 2: The reason life sounds like awful.
Speaker 1: Oh it is? It is, all right, So tell me
Speaker 1: about screen fatigue, because I feel like this might be
Speaker 1: something to which I'm susceptible and everyone really.
Speaker 2: Well, after the show today, I've got an eye appointment
Speaker 2: to get an eye check up, so I haven't got
Speaker 2: glasses yet, and every time I go for one of
Speaker 2: my annual checkup, I think high end. It's now, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's got to be now glasses anyway, So screen fatigue,
Speaker 2: it's something that's becoming more prevalent. And so there are
Speaker 2: a number of different dangers associated with screen fatigue, and
Speaker 2: I say dangers with an emphasis on well I came
Speaker 2: quite so dangerous. But there are some problems that you
Speaker 2: can you can you know you can have. And one
Speaker 2: of the little rules that you can try to remember
Speaker 2: this is from the American Optometric Association Optometric Optometric. I guess,
Speaker 2: so let's go optometric. I think it sounds good anyway.
Speaker 2: They advise what they call the twenty twenty twenty rule. Okay,
Speaker 2: so every twenty minutes, look at something twenty feet away
Speaker 2: for at least twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, that's that's good advice. It is
Speaker 1: like look at something in the distance, is like look
Speaker 1: at the horizon. There is another one they go which
Speaker 1: you know, however far that is for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I've set up my desk specifically so that the
Speaker 2: windows on the side and I can look down the
Speaker 2: driveway well as I can see people coming up and
Speaker 2: down the driveway. V It means I do have a
Speaker 2: long distance viewable angle. Because if you're looking at a
Speaker 2: screen for a long time, what it can do is
Speaker 2: it causes dry eyes and irritation. So that's the prolonged time.
Speaker 2: It means that we don't actually blink as much when
Speaker 2: we look at screen. Yeah, this is typically blinking it
Speaker 2: like millions miles an hour. So that then causes dry
Speaker 2: eyes and irritation. So when we look at us, it's interesting,
Speaker 2: isn't it that we we are subconsciously not blinking as
Speaker 2: much when we look at it a screen. It's so
Speaker 2: so weet.
Speaker 1: I've got a trick a hack. What if we had
Speaker 1: a huge screen, but we put it twenty feet away,
Speaker 1: so we're always looking at something twenty feet away. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I that seemed like what seemed like the advice is,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at something twenty feet away is good
Speaker 1: for our eyes. What if our screen was twenty feet Well,
Speaker 1: we have like one hundred inch TV and that became your.
Speaker 4: Screens in a house that big.
Speaker 2: Patrick does does close every twenty minutes. Look at something close?
Speaker 1: Can I here's the pause button for a moment. Now
Speaker 1: you sent I think you sent Tiff as well? You
Speaker 1: sent me and Tiff well you sent me? Did he
Speaker 1: send them to you? Those photos tif?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so some were a bunch of flowers and outdoor
Speaker 1: beautiful things, but one was a big room, empty looking room.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's the new chie study.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so finished. Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1: For those who haven't been listening, you're turning your garage
Speaker 1: what is a large garage because you're rich into a
Speaker 1: tai chi to studio. Yes, I can say that ten
Speaker 1: times fast. And it looks good. It looks good. What's
Speaker 1: the update?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Oh?
Speaker 2: This has been an exciting thing for me. I haven't
Speaker 2: really done much in the way of Renault's before, but
Speaker 2: I've got a really great builder, and so it's a
Speaker 2: massive garage. It's like nine meters by five meters. It's enormous.
Speaker 2: You could fit three four cars in it. Easily more,
Speaker 2: of course. But the idea being is that because I
Speaker 2: do teach tai chi, but if I want to do
Speaker 2: one on one or small sessions, it's kind of expensive
Speaker 2: to hire out a location to do at a hall
Speaker 2: or something like that. And you know, I was one
Speaker 2: of those people that I just stored crap in my garage.
Speaker 2: It's very cathartic throwing things away. I had two skips
Speaker 2: so far, and I've got another skip coming soon to
Speaker 2: throw more stuff away coming soon.
Speaker 1: Do you not have any shit that you can give
Speaker 1: to people? Like good shit?
Speaker 2: You know I've given away some stuff. Yes, No, I certainly.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to give away a beautiful art deco wardrobe,
Speaker 2: but people don't want wardrobes anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I think it might be that wardrobe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, so anyway, in answer to your question the paint.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that art deco and beautiful go
Speaker 1: in the same sentence, do they.
Speaker 2: My whole house is art deco decorate.
Speaker 1: We're not the whole rest my case.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I'm going to restind my invitation.
Speaker 1: With ha ha ha oh. No, I love your house
Speaker 1: and you I've never even seen it, but he's answering
Speaker 1: your question. Sorry, oh man, jeez, I'm an only child.
Speaker 1: I have a predisposition for interruption.
Speaker 2: You do. So the painting has been done, very excited,
Speaker 2: and then the plumber is due next week and the electrician,
Speaker 2: so I wanted to get the painting done before that
Speaker 2: and then it'll be all good to go.
Speaker 1: What's on the floor, what's going to be?
Speaker 2: I've just put green tongue on the floor at the
Speaker 2: moment because I've kind of run out of money. So
Speaker 2: if you're not familiar with green tongue, it's kind of
Speaker 2: a it's it's the like chipboard, so maybe enemy to
Speaker 2: thick chipboard that links together. But the green tongue as
Speaker 2: opposed to the I think orange tongue is more it's
Speaker 2: more water resistant. So I've just locked that down on
Speaker 2: the concrete.
Speaker 1: And is it b yo matts?
Speaker 2: No, No, no, we don't do You don't use mats for
Speaker 2: ti chi. You just do it in soft shoes like
Speaker 2: runners and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Really, don't you ever get on your back or anything?
Speaker 2: No. Tie chee is a slow moving martial art form,
Speaker 2: so I guess only if you fall down.
Speaker 1: Well, in my version of tie chi, we do it
Speaker 1: on our back. So you clearly haven't evolved. So if
Speaker 1: you want to do what I like to call a
Speaker 1: supine tichi, just hit me up.
Speaker 2: There are different forms of tie chief for people who
Speaker 2: are incapacitated, So if they're in a wheelchair or whatever,
Speaker 2: they can do the upper body parts of the tie
Speaker 2: chi movement I'm beating is now, by the way, increased
Speaker 2: stress and anxiety is also something that's associated with looking
Speaker 2: at screens and talking to Craig Harper.
Speaker 1: And imagine if you're talking to Craig Arper on a screen,
Speaker 1: it's like the fucking double banger, absolutely double wordy.
Speaker 2: That's funny al right now on Long twenty twenty twenty, Craigo.
Speaker 1: Okay twenty twenty twenty, yes exactly.
Speaker 2: Hey have you heard of a new term called raw dogging.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a new term, Patrick, I think
Speaker 1: that's an old term, and I think it refers to
Speaker 1: sexual relations without appropriate protection. That is exactly what it's
Speaker 1: referring to.
Speaker 2: Not now, not by the funky cool trendy YouTubers.
Speaker 1: See, I don't know those of us who are older
Speaker 1: than twenty raw dogging is. My mum was against it.
Speaker 1: Choose to say to me, if it's not on, it's
Speaker 1: not on, and I'd say, yes, mum, but get out
Speaker 1: of the room though, and and what are you doing
Speaker 1: with the handicam go away? Ah? Fuck, I see this
Speaker 1: is a problem.
Speaker 4: If it's not on, it's not on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not on, it's not on. This is what
Speaker 1: happens when you do sixteen hundred podcasts and you're in
Speaker 1: a little bit of pain. Which we won't open the
Speaker 1: door on that, but you need to know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I've had some drugs this morning, I'm in pain,
Speaker 1: so I'm not responsible for what comes out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: It just occurred to me, Tiff, that if you come
Speaker 2: from a one child family, whereas I'm from a four
Speaker 2: child family, I've got a twenty five percent less chance
Speaker 2: of someone walking in on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, statistically, that was That was the big fear of
Speaker 1: my teenageers.
Speaker 2: Your parents. Yeah, No, you.
Speaker 1: Don't want that, do you. That's the no. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to think about. Isn't it funny how everyone's
Speaker 1: creeped out by that thought. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: say the thought, but you.
Speaker 2: Know you can.
Speaker 1: You know, Mum and dad, you don't want to think
Speaker 1: about that, do you?
Speaker 2: No? No, Sorry to all the parents.
Speaker 1: Sorry, what did you just say before tiff distracted us?
Speaker 2: What? Raw dogging? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is what is the the contemporary equivalent of
Speaker 1: raw dogging?
Speaker 2: Well, I can't look at the screen because I'm tear
Speaker 2: it up, tear it up so muchses. By the end
Speaker 2: of this, raw dogging is now a term.
Speaker 1: He stop saying raw dogging.
Speaker 4: I'm going to row dog into India.
Speaker 1: Ah God, next month. I'll tell you what I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to raw dog in general.
Speaker 1: But no, it doesn't matter. Dirty on harps fucking get
Speaker 1: your filter and click. It's back on Patrick and go.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to a polish.
Speaker 1: Can you edit out everything up until now? Please? Hi? Everyone,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Patrick, great to see you.
Speaker 2: I don't think you should edit any of this out.
Speaker 2: Just make him suffer through it. No, okay. So raw
Speaker 2: dogging is a new term where someone gets onto a
Speaker 2: plane and they go into a state of almost trance
Speaker 2: like state and they do nothing. They don't eat, they
Speaker 2: don't drink, they don't read anything, they don't listen to anything,
Speaker 2: I don't watch anything. It's become this trendy thing. A
Speaker 2: guy what the name of a Damien Bailey who's a
Speaker 2: big insta person, reckons he achieved his personal best at
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half hour flight between Shanghai and Dallas
Speaker 2: without any inflight entertainment, films, books, or music. So it's
Speaker 2: generally blokes. Of course, it's going to be blokes who
Speaker 2: do this, and they're the alpha male types. So the
Speaker 2: three of us, it's going to.
Speaker 1: Be you, I reckon TIFF's more of an alpha male
Speaker 1: than both of us. But also like, there's all these
Speaker 1: monks that have been living in caves just living on
Speaker 1: fucking oxygen for thirty years who are like, ah, so.
Speaker 2: What they're not on a plane at a high altitude
Speaker 2: in potential DVT cross.
Speaker 1: So wow, So what is what's the what's the outcome
Speaker 1: or what's the intended outcome? Like just that they're going
Speaker 1: through this, like this momentary kind of scarcity of technology
Speaker 1: or food or water or stimulation or something.
Speaker 2: It's a challenge. I guess they're challenging themselves to be
Speaker 2: in the moment to focus on you know, that particular duration.
Speaker 2: And one guy did a fifteen hour flight to Melbourne.
Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy an Australian music producer by the
Speaker 2: name of Torron Foot. Yes, that is a name I.
Speaker 1: Have heard of this, I didn't think it was called
Speaker 1: raw dogging, but also hashtag don't pick the middle seat
Speaker 1: or there's going to be no fucking raw dogging. You're
Speaker 1: going to be constantly shuffling your knees side ways while
Speaker 1: Brian with the tiny bladder is stepping over the top
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what was interesting though, is people have been
Speaker 2: posting responses to it, and one medical expert said, they're idiots.
Speaker 2: That was the great they're idiots. Well, because you know,
Speaker 2: it's not a good thing. Some people are going without
Speaker 2: food and water as well, and when, of course you're
Speaker 2: on a long haul flight, they say hydration is important.
Speaker 2: And if you're not hydrated and you don't move around,
Speaker 2: do you increase some really serious health risks?
Speaker 3: You know, Well, if you're getting dehydrated, your blood's getting
Speaker 3: thicker because you're sweating, and obviously blah blah blah. So
Speaker 3: I would think the well that I would think I
Speaker 3: could almost guarantee the risk of deep vein thrombosis as
Speaker 3: you alluded to, Patrick, or stroke or heart attack because
Speaker 3: the higher the level of viscosity of your blood, or
Speaker 3: in other words, the thicker it is and the less
Speaker 3: volume you have, the more.
Speaker 1: Risk you are. So I would think, at the very least,
Speaker 1: drink some waterer. Do everything else but drink some water.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a business psychologist says, oh, it's probably
Speaker 2: a good thing. You know, people can be quietly reflecting.
Speaker 2: But it's the medical people I think I would be
Speaker 2: listening to, not the business psychologists.
Speaker 1: I also think, I don't mean, that's not poopoing your
Speaker 1: story because it's quirky and it's interesting, which is what
Speaker 1: we like. But how the fuck is this news? Like,
Speaker 1: how's somebody sitting on a plane not drinking?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: How is that with all the shit that's going on
Speaker 1: in the world. Well, guess what.
Speaker 2: These are famous TikTokers and famous people, all stars, and
Speaker 2: young people will copy them. That's the problem, because people
Speaker 2: copy them. It's like planking. Remember when planking was really
Speaker 2: big and people fell off buildings and stuff. It happens, So, yeah,
Speaker 2: influences people to do stupid things.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I know in Russia they have signs on train crossings
Speaker 2: telling people not to take selfies on the train tracks
Speaker 2: because people get run over by trains taking selfies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think if you were that young, your
Speaker 1: ears would be better than that. You would think that
Speaker 1: you should hear that shit coming.
Speaker 2: You would. You would've probably got, you know, headphones on
Speaker 2: or something. All right, plow on, plow on. I saw
Speaker 2: a really interesting article in The Verge. It's a I
Speaker 2: listened to the I'll watch the Vergin. Read the Verge anyway,
Speaker 2: Ellison Johnson, I quite like it stuff. She was talking
Speaker 2: about a new feature on the Google Pixel nine phone.
Speaker 2: It's just about to come out. So there has been
Speaker 2: a feature. And this is why I sent you some
Speaker 2: photos this morning. You're probably wondering why. I say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I did see like nature photos which were quite pretty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I took them yesterday in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: I just took a selection of photos whilst I was
Speaker 2: out walking. At one point I drove tobacco smash and
Speaker 2: I stopped outside a canola field and took some really
Speaker 2: gorgeous photos of the canola. We all not know those
Speaker 2: big fields of canola with the white glowy the yellow
Speaker 2: kind of glow to them when the sun's setting. But
Speaker 2: Google's Pixel phones and a lot of the new phones
Speaker 2: now have things called magic eraser tools. But the next
Speaker 2: level up from that is now you can place objects
Speaker 2: into the scene. So not only can you take people
Speaker 2: out of the scene, but one of the photos I've
Speaker 2: seen she was the Canola shot with a shadow of me,
Speaker 2: and then a photo of the same shot with the
Speaker 2: shadow removed, so you can it's an you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't like the shadow, but in some ways the shadow
Speaker 2: is not bad.
Speaker 1: That's the conceit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I just used the magic eraser to get rid of
Speaker 2: the shadow. It took me maybe three or four seconds.
Speaker 1: That is amazing, isn't it. So if you've got like
Speaker 1: an old photo with a couple of mates, but one
Speaker 1: of them's a fuck with and you on him out, yep,
Speaker 1: you can get rid of the fuck with and just
Speaker 1: have you and your mates and go. This was us
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six at the races.
Speaker 2: But you're changing history and get rid of Jason Nay.
Speaker 1: History remains the same, it's just the record of it
Speaker 1: it changes.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the concern is when we're introducing
Speaker 2: these tools, what does it mean about the art of photography.
Speaker 2: If I said to you if I, if I said
Speaker 2: tam and square, think of an image related to conflict
Speaker 2: and square.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we all think of that young that poor
Speaker 1: young girl running in front of the tank, which was
Speaker 1: fucking one of the most tragic and it was a guy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's was it a boy? A guy? Yep,
Speaker 2: a student standing in front of the tank.
Speaker 1: Resistant No, no, no, no, there's another photo of a
Speaker 1: young naked child.
Speaker 2: Running and yes, that's the napalm girl. That's from Vietnam.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh that's Vietnam, is it?
Speaker 2: But again, there's two iconic visions. One is the student
Speaker 2: standing in front of the tank in front of Townerman
Speaker 2: square ones the naked girl running away from napalm as
Speaker 2: an explosion goes off in the background, you know, the
Speaker 2: American flag being lifted, you know, the soldiers holding the flag.
Speaker 2: So when we think of these snapshots of history and
Speaker 2: then we can so easily change them, what does it
Speaker 2: do to our perception of what the past is when
Speaker 2: you can change it so readily and make it look
Speaker 2: so real. And that's the concern now, that it's so
Speaker 2: easy using these AI tools to change what we would
Speaker 2: think of as a snapshot in time as reality and
Speaker 2: so people are concerned about this, and it was just
Speaker 2: interested about this article. It was, you know, because you
Speaker 2: can now take a standard streetscape and you could put
Speaker 2: a smoking wreck of a burnt out car there. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the concern that you could then post it as
Speaker 2: fake news. There was an article recently, I think it
Speaker 2: was during the American campaign that's on at the moment.
Speaker 2: It might have been related to Biden. I think that
Speaker 2: an American telco was fined a million dollars for running
Speaker 2: an ad where they had a depiction of Joe Biden
Speaker 2: and it was not actually him and it wasn't endorsing
Speaker 2: the product. So it's so easy to do that now.
Speaker 1: But this is everywhere now, I mean, this is every
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Rogan has his voice because there's so
Speaker 1: much of his face and his image, his body is
Speaker 1: you know, video audio. He's been used like constantly by
Speaker 1: companies making ads where TIFFs just made something with Okay,
Speaker 1: that's funny, Tiff.
Speaker 2: She just did a photo of you and I on
Speaker 2: screen with the ponetograph I took yesterday.
Speaker 4: So I just pushed the profile picture from both of
Speaker 4: your facebooks onto the photo you were describing to the
Speaker 4: audience like you were there together having assentide.
Speaker 1: Can you send that to me right now? Which is
Speaker 1: not good for the audience for me, But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Patrick, But this is the door that we've opened, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, now, how do you It doesn't change history,
Speaker 1: because history is history, but it changes what we think
Speaker 1: perhaps history was, you know, and I guess this is
Speaker 1: about you know, it's like when, if what was it?
Speaker 1: If you're go into chat GPT and you say, what
Speaker 1: happened on whatever the day Donald Trump got shot? We've
Speaker 1: spoken about this once, but what happened on this date
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania or whatever it was? And it says there
Speaker 1: was an event, a former there was a shooting, a
Speaker 1: former president was injured, but no one else was hurt.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't say that, you know, a fire a
Speaker 1: fireman was killed, other people were injured, and Donald Trump
Speaker 1: got shot. It doesn't it Because for whatever reason, it's
Speaker 1: been programmed to be you know, pro certain things and
Speaker 1: anti other things. So getting absolute objective data whether or
Speaker 1: not we like that or don't like that or agree
Speaker 1: with that, this is becoming a slipperer and slipprier landscape
Speaker 1: because we don't know what is real because fiction is
Speaker 1: being presented as fact from a range of kind of directions.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's hard. It's hard when you don't know
Speaker 1: the truth and then you look something up, like I'm
Speaker 1: constantly sent things by people like thirty times a day.
Speaker 1: The crab is usually ten of them, by the way,
Speaker 1: but people sending me research in inverted commas, and some
Speaker 1: of them like, fuck, that's amazing. Then I go and
Speaker 1: I look for the paper and the paper doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: That is not real research, you know, like it didn't
Speaker 1: this paper, this alleged paper, it's not real. It's a fraud.
Speaker 1: There's not actually. But you can make things look like
Speaker 1: science really easily now, and you can make things look
Speaker 1: like historical events. As you're alluding to, what do you
Speaker 1: think that what do you think that's going to look
Speaker 1: like in five or ten years? Do you think we're
Speaker 1: just not going to know what is real and what
Speaker 1: is not?
Speaker 2: It's a frightening thought. I think that's a really good
Speaker 2: question that we all should be asking at the moment.
Speaker 2: You know, how do we spot a fake? How do
Speaker 2: we spot a deep fake? How do we spot fake news?
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's an answer at the moment.
Speaker 2: Because technology is leap frogging legislation. You know, technology is
Speaker 2: out there. Google's putting out their new phone and it's
Speaker 2: using it's turned its magic erase button in to reimagine,
Speaker 2: so reimagine the scene so that you can place objects
Speaker 2: in there. So suddenly, you know, someone meditating is now
Speaker 2: going to bond next to them. You know, yeah, Hilario,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You could yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's seamless. You know what would have taken somebody
Speaker 2: who was a real adept at photoshop. Well that that
Speaker 2: photograph that I sent you of the canola field, there
Speaker 2: was grass on the side of the road. It was
Speaker 2: dried yellow grass. But if I was to have photoshopped that,
Speaker 2: I would have meticulously made sure the grass, the movement
Speaker 2: of the grass was matched in me that I was
Speaker 2: trying to remove the shadow from. But with that AI tool,
Speaker 2: it did it in seconds. Yes, he did in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. But you know, and then again the
Speaker 2: other thing is I prefer the photo with my shadow
Speaker 2: in it because it shows a shadow of me holding
Speaker 2: a camera taking over the canola field. So the shadow
Speaker 2: says a lot about what time of day it was,
Speaker 2: where I was. I was by the side of the
Speaker 2: road taking a photo over a fence at a really
Speaker 2: beautiful scene. So I've lost something in that image by
Speaker 2: being the shadow of me, I've removed me from the image.
Speaker 1: Now. I watched an ap so the other night of Insight,
Speaker 1: do you watch that? I feel like you'd be interested
Speaker 1: in that. Anyway, they were talking about the education system
Speaker 1: and they had students and they had professors, and they
Speaker 1: had lecturers and they're just talking about the good and
Speaker 1: bad and they had like current undergrad students and postgrad students,
Speaker 1: like young people, and they set up people cheating using
Speaker 1: chat GPT and they all said yes. And one girl
Speaker 1: who wasn't identified as in they didn't show her face.
Speaker 1: You could just see her from the back. She's like, essentially,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my degree using chat GPT. We're talking about
Speaker 1: undergrad but still it's like it's it's I think that
Speaker 1: one of the things that's going to happen unless we
Speaker 1: figure out a solution or an antidote, is that the
Speaker 1: value of some tertiary qualifications is going to be severely downgraded,
Speaker 1: because you know, people are getting qualifications that they didn't earn,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, as the technology gets better, and
Speaker 1: it's harder and harder to figure out who wrote or
Speaker 1: didn't write what. You know. Yeah, it's a very slippery
Speaker 1: slope that we're on, and I don't know that. You know,
Speaker 1: there are pros and cons, but I reckon the cons
Speaker 1: are as you know, as significant and numerous as the
Speaker 1: as the pros.
Speaker 2: It is a challenge for educators and also I guess
Speaker 2: for employers if someone's presenting a region may with documentation
Speaker 2: to say that they've passed a degree or whatever, or
Speaker 2: if someone standing above a table with a scalpel in there, yeah.
Speaker 1: Think about that. Fuck that. Oh yeah, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of yeah you would. Yeah, Like a few people
Speaker 1: have said, do I use chat Jo Patti, And I
Speaker 1: really can't. There's a few things where I could maybe go,
Speaker 1: here's my intro, could you rewrite it? But because of
Speaker 1: my research is original, it has to be, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think there are certain things. But I think also,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who's writing an application for a job,
Speaker 1: you can write it and then throw it into chat
Speaker 1: GPT and I'll churn out a slightly more polished version.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great application, you know. And and
Speaker 1: the sad thing is that some jobs, like copywriting, they're
Speaker 1: probably to an extent, going to become redundant because it
Speaker 1: chat GPT can do as good or better writing than
Speaker 1: the average punter.
Speaker 2: What about using if you ever used grammarly?
Speaker 1: No, but I know, I know what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what it does. It's not just
Speaker 2: a spell checker. It's more of a phraseology checker. So
Speaker 2: if you write a sentence, it will say, well, this
Speaker 2: is not the best grammar you know, why don't you
Speaker 2: rewrite it a certain way? And I mean in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. Then does that then stop or cease
Speaker 2: being your original work, because making mistakes is part of
Speaker 2: the learning process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and no, I mean with something like grammar,
Speaker 1: where it's just making something be more grammatically correct or
Speaker 1: something perhaps flow a little better, But it's essentially your
Speaker 1: words and ideas. I think that's a valuable tool. But
Speaker 1: you know what, in twenty years, like who knows, who knows?
Speaker 1: If people like I doubt we're going to be writing
Speaker 1: on paper with pens in twenty years.
Speaker 2: I doubt that they, Hey, I will be I use
Speaker 2: a fountain pen.
Speaker 1: I hope, so, but I don't think the majority. In fact,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to be typing, because it's
Speaker 1: going to be it's all going to be audio. What
Speaker 1: do you call it? Where you just talk and it
Speaker 1: types as you go dictation like those No you know
Speaker 1: where you can talk into your phone and it just types.
Speaker 1: Is that? What's Isn't there a more fancy name than
Speaker 1: yeah whatever? That you know where? And that's becoming so
Speaker 1: good where you think, why the fuck would I be
Speaker 1: punching all these keys when I can talk and it
Speaker 1: types for me.
Speaker 2: I want thought to text, I don't even want to talk.
Speaker 1: Well, you just took up with Elon Musk. I think
Speaker 1: that's get yourself a neural link. We've spoken about that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more Champion. Let's bring home
Speaker 1: this fucking train wreck of an episode with a little
Speaker 1: bit of gusto.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I was going to give some people we're talking.
Speaker 1: About, you know, whatever you want, whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking of some positive things about AI
Speaker 2: and a feature that's built into Google Maps. Particularly in
Speaker 2: the States, people are getting worried that those Google street
Speaker 2: view photos are how criminals can case out your house
Speaker 2: to see we've got cameras, or to see whether you're
Speaker 2: living a nice suburb and they can look at your
Speaker 2: backyard and all that sort of stuff. But you can
Speaker 2: actually request now to have your house blurred in Google Maps.
Speaker 2: There is one caveat Once it's blurred, it's blurred for good.
Speaker 2: So what you do is you just basically go to
Speaker 2: your property. You've got to prove that it's yours. You don't,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't arbitrarily choose your place and suddenly
Speaker 2: blur it out. But basically go to Wogle Maps and
Speaker 2: you select the reporter problem. It's in the upper left
Speaker 2: corner of the screen, and then you've got to answer
Speaker 2: a whole lot of questions and submit the request, and
Speaker 2: then what it will do is it will blur the
Speaker 2: photo of your property. So if people are concerned about that,
Speaker 2: So that's another really cool because you've probably noticed in
Speaker 2: Google Maps too that all the number plates are blurred out.
Speaker 2: You know that's not done by you know, some pers
Speaker 2: sitting there using a magic eraser tool that's done by
Speaker 2: AI to do that, and also blurs out faces. You
Speaker 2: don't normally get close up shots of people's faces in
Speaker 2: that Google mapping software either.
Speaker 1: Well maybe the guy who lives I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to say where you live. But the guy who lives
Speaker 1: in rural Victoria and leaves his doors unlocked when he
Speaker 1: goes out, maybe he should rethink that. Yeah, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know. Are there many? Are there many crooks
Speaker 1: where you live? I wouldn't think they're too much tied
Speaker 1: love and hugs and muny beans, aren't they know?
Speaker 2: What happens is people. We've had some instances of a
Speaker 2: few break ins recently. To be honest, I probably shouldn't
Speaker 2: be telling people how to leave my door open all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: No, no, we'll definitely die. We'll definitely start locking it.
Speaker 2: No, I lock it when I look. I do lock
Speaker 2: it if I'm going away for any length of time.
Speaker 2: But if I'm just going down the street to the
Speaker 2: post office in the door?
Speaker 6: Oh wow, Patrick, how do people what is your home address?
Speaker 6: By the way, And failing that, how can people follow
Speaker 6: you online or connect with you online?
Speaker 2: Did you go to websites? Noow, dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: You could kind of stalk me there. You can see
Speaker 2: what I look like and then decide that you might
Speaker 2: want to call me and have a chat. Wow wow, Well, actually,
Speaker 2: you know, it is one of the things I really
Speaker 2: love about what I do is working with smaller business people,
Speaker 2: you know, because what.
Speaker 1: About big business people like you know, people over six foot.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeahle raw dogging because that's what they do with
Speaker 2: their males like you.
Speaker 1: No, I told you Tif's more alpha male than me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, go on.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, do you find though, because
Speaker 2: I know you get a lot of joy and TIF
Speaker 2: You're the same with your PT stuff because it's one
Speaker 2: on one as opposed to doing a presentation to a
Speaker 2: room of fifty or one hundred people. There's something really
Speaker 2: not intimate but kind of uplifting about being able to
Speaker 2: work with someone one to one. So I think, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: but I know I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: I enjoy that. This is a terrible segue, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of in line with that. I just launched a
Speaker 1: new mentorship, which I've never done, for fifteen people ten weeks.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, because I do a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff with big audiences, and I'm quite excited about working
Speaker 1: with only fifteen people and you know, for me, is
Speaker 1: a small group and it's two and a half months,
Speaker 1: so it's an extended period of time, and I'm quite
Speaker 1: interested to see how that's going to go, you know,
Speaker 1: because it gives everyone an opportunity every session to talk
Speaker 1: and ask questions. You're not just one block of nine
Speaker 1: hundred blocks on a range of zoom screens.
Speaker 2: You know, so well, they need a five minute tai
Speaker 2: chi kind of you know, workout session.
Speaker 1: I reckon we should No, I really do think we
Speaker 1: should do something. We should do a are you project?
Speaker 1: Patrick collab.
Speaker 2: On zoom sounds good. Yeah, you can count me on that.
Speaker 1: Hm hm hmm. I wonder how that would have to
Speaker 1: be live. I guess we could do it live with
Speaker 1: whoever wants to do it live, record it. We probably
Speaker 1: should talk about this off the show a bit. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: let's have a staff meeting. Look at Tiff. What is
Speaker 1: Tiff looking at? What are you looking at? Down there?
Speaker 4: Got cat hair stuff under the bottom of itself.
Speaker 1: She spent ninety percent of the phone looking at I'm
Speaker 1: looking down What are you doing down there? That's got
Speaker 1: your attention?
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh wow, it's like the belly button fluff.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible way to end a podcast. Patrick, Just
Speaker 1: tell people your web address again.
Speaker 2: Place websites now, dot com, dot au because no one
Speaker 2: can spell genesis effects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, This will be our last episode of this everyone,
Speaker 1: so I hope you enjoyed them all. It's been great.
Speaker 2: Thanks team, Thanks to the two people who kept listening.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's just descending, isn't it. It is what
Speaker 1: we do. It's devolving, it's evolving. It's the opposite of AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the antithesis of what is happening.