1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Jason Lauren on over one hundred. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Jason and Lauren Clint here from the newsroom as well, 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: and one of our favorite segments is back we haven't 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: done it for a while, guys, but just play cool. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: The cops are here, Jason, Lawrence, tell me what you know. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Now for Pride the Pope Pie, we bring in different 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: police officers. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's like the cast of Breaking Bad 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: has just rolled in. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: Walter White's in the house. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: No, we've got detective. 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: Acting Senior Side. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: Chargeant Michael Kugler and Detective Sergeant Paul Gilmore. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: Don't get a right good morning, Good morning guys. You 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: might need to take your mask if we can't he 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: can we hear you? 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, we can hear. Okay, you can keep it on. 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: So you guys are in just for our radio audience 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: that can't see you but can only hear you. 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Are in a full What is that suit that you're in? 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: This is a it's called a tik suit a week 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 4: A suit's basically a chemical resistant and some the one 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 4: I'm wearing today is also got some sort of fire 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: resistance built into it. All we want to be on 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: fire in this suit. 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 5: We use them and we're processing. 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: The client labs. 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: So what are you doing bussing busting meth labs? 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: Right? Okay, so that's world to why this is good morning, 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: Good morning, We're good, thanks for joining us. 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: Is a hectic out been wearing? 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: How does this room smell? We're all good, A. 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 6: Little bit dodge, but we're just going to run some 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 6: testa shortly. 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Well, so you got to talk us through what you 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: would do day. 37 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 7: To day in your job essentially, Well, it's it's pretty varied, 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 7: but we investigate locally manufactured drugs within victory. 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: And is it like Magnorance scene in the movies? 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: Are people like making meth in bathtubs, in houses and stuff? 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah like that, Yeah they are. 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 5: They're making myth in houses, and making myth in beery 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 5: chipping containers, and making myth in farm sheds, garages, pretty 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: much anywhere you can think of. 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: I think it's safe to save people. I was just 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: going to say, people could see how this stuff has made. 47 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: It's the last thing they'd put in their system, isn't it. 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 6: Absolutely Yeah, it's all synthetic made, synthetically made, it's all chemicals. Yeah, 49 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 6: really dangerous. 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: And so by the time you guys get the call 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 3: to go and I don't know what you call check 52 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: out all lab? 53 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Has someone already found it? 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: Or they're like, we're suspected that there's suspicious activity happening 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: in this house. And then you guys go and kick 56 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: the door down. 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much. We're a bit of a one stop 58 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 6: shop at our office. We get the intel, we investigate it, 59 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 6: we do the raids, and then we prosecute the offenders. 60 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 6: Our process a scene, which can be long if it's 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 6: a bigger lab, and then we process the offenders. 62 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: What happens to the goods, Well, they. 63 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 6: Get taken out to a hazardous management unit at a 64 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 6: location and destroyed. 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't go let twenty percent off for the 66 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: Christmas party? And then so what's happening underground here in Melbourne? 67 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 8: We have we got a scourge? Is there is there 68 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 8: a problem or is it something that's happening right the 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 8: way around Australia right the way around the world. 70 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 6: I think there's no secret that there's a significant drug 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 6: problem in Australia in general. You know, look at our borders. 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 6: We're in Ireland, so it's easy to import in here 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 6: and there's a lot of chemicals that come into this 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 6: country which are used to manufacture methamphetam. 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 5: Very high demand in Australian prices are high, which makes 76 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 5: it there's a lot of incentive for people out there 77 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 5: to joy and manufactured drugs or import drugs. 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: So what's the worst scene you've walked. 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: Into most like you would have seen it? 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 5: All right? 81 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: Is there one thing that comes to mind you've walked 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: in and gone, oh, I cannot believe what I'm looking at. 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 6: Ah? 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been so that you can everything from what 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 5: we call addiction based really small labs, and some people 86 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 5: work really neat, really methodical. Some people are really well educated. 87 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 5: I've got science backgrounds, and some are just mayhem. It's 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 5: just stuff everywhere, contaminants everywhere. They're contaminated, Like you take 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 5: their clothes off and they're still sitting off. 90 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: Your hiding it. It's just full blown lab. 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're definitely trying to conceal yeah. Yeah, so, and 92 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 5: they'll go to great lengths to try and keep it concealed. 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 5: Just stick them in like sort of industrial areas, rural 94 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 5: areas to try and hide it because they can be 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 5: pretty smelly and pretty Yeah. 96 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 3: And so I always admire the police because obviously, you 97 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: guys put yourself in in really dangerous situations. Is what 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: is the danger that you guys are in excuse me 99 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: going into these labs. Is it the chemicals or is 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: it the people? 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: We can say both, like, you're right, you've got a 102 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: bad batch. The chemicals are very. 103 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Sorry coffee in the middle of that. 104 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 6: Anyway, the chemicals are very volatile. You mix the the 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 6: wrong chemicals together and it's effectively a bomb. 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, explosives, flammable, toxic, carcinogenic. 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 5: And then that's just the chemical side of the house. 108 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 5: And then you've got an offender who could have an 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 5: who isn't real thrill to arrive and then isn't real thrill? 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: I was about to say, when you when it gets 111 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: to the point of a raid and you guys, you know, 112 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: slam the door and cops were coming in, do most 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: of them just go I'm done and give up or 114 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: they put up a fight. 115 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 6: Most most really will generally realize what's happening, and you know, 116 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 6: it's a big shop to them when it happens. And 117 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 6: on the big organized crime labs, you could almost guarantee 118 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 6: this one sort of firearm there very expensive and it's 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 6: very profitable, so to protect their poew. 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: That's going on. You both watch Breaking Back. 121 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 5: I only watched the first episode. 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 7: I'm sure nurses don't watch news show. 123 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just can't. 124 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 8: Have you adapted yourselves to some of the techniques you 125 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 8: see on that show? 126 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Maybe should. 127 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 6: It's definitely not far from the truth breaking Yes, that's 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 6: from our side and from from the cook side. They 129 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 6: wear very similar stuff. 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think some of the methodology and chemicals 131 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 7: they used in the show and probably didn't do us 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 7: any favors as well. 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Really, what do you mean by that I taught people? 134 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 5: I think it was from what I've been told, it 135 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 5: was quite accurate in terms of the process. 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: Is interesting, it's like a YouTube lesson. 137 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: So common I e. But how rife is it in 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: our community at the moment? And is it only myth 139 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: being made here in Australia. 140 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: It's not just metal proba that way, It's not just myth. 141 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 5: There are other drugs, but you can really only manufacture 142 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 5: synthetic drugs in Australia. If you're trying to muscle into 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: the heroin industry, you need a lot of plant material 144 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: and if you're trying to muscle into the cocaine industry. Again, 145 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 5: you need that much coca plant it's not going to 146 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 5: work out for you. Yeah, you're better off just importing 147 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: that and it becomes a border control issue or AFP 148 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 5: slash border force issue. But thick drugs like meth lanphetamine, 149 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 5: you can get sources to the chemicals. 150 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: Here and the equipment that you need here. 151 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 5: So that's what it's a big probably the largest percentage. 152 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: Of the work we do. 153 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: I've been watching The Gentleman recently. Not sure if you've 154 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: seen that, but that's all about marijuana plantations. Is that 155 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: something you guys do as well? Find people with the 156 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: blue lights? 157 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: No, not really in our office, that's not you. It's 158 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: more more of. 159 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 6: A genuine local region. 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: We'll deal with. 161 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: Fascinated by those ones with the props greenhouse in the backyard. 162 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: I think we're using our manpower to go after more 163 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: hardcore stuff, lease days, aren't. 164 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 6: I'd still our crops are solicia and they're very profitable. Yeah, 165 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 6: organized crime, we're more specialized with the labs sort of 166 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: set up. 167 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: And so do you guys only do drugs or do 168 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: you do likeination? Do you guys only raid like drug 169 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: labs or are you going to places where people are 170 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: building bombs and things as well? 171 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: We could probably be more specific. 172 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, generally we're just targeting drug labs. 173 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: What I mean, Yeah, there's I'm not doing. 174 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 5: If we had any sort of information that it was 175 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 5: got more of a bomb flavor than a drug flavor, 176 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 5: and we'll probably handed off to the US and explosions. 177 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 178 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: For people listening right now that are like Jesus, this 179 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: could be happening in my street. Is there any sign 180 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: or telltales? Yeah? Is there any telltale signs that you 181 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: might see from someone's house that might give an indication 182 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: that they're cooking something up in there? 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 6: Generally the chemical smell gives it away, and a lot 184 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 6: of people just write it. 185 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: Off as cleaning products and stuff that. 186 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,359 Speaker 6: R or Yeah, it's you know, they're just the suspicious 187 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 6: behavior around. 188 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: You've got a crazy cat lady next door, but you 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: don't see any cats. There's a good chance she's cooked. 190 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 5: Especially if she's put up about fifteen security cameras. 191 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's funny should say that I had a friend 192 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 8: who rented out her property in Hawthorn, In Hawthorne, of 193 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 8: all places, and when they evicted, finally victored the tenant. 194 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 8: They discovered it had been used as a meth lab 195 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 8: and you had to they had to gut the place. 196 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, there was powerpoints everyone. 197 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeahs he rented, he moved in and then when he 198 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: started actually looking at properly, there's like sixty powerpoints in 199 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: this room and a whole bunch. 200 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need to charge sixty iPhones at 201 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 2: once next to you a bit, it sounds like it 202 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: would have been a crop yeah, or crypto r a silarium. 203 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, lads, look, we love doing the paper. 204 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: We love the Victorian Police and the work you guys do. 205 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You're putting yourselves on the line. 206 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: It's a it's a massive job. 207 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: This looks fun. It looks fun. 208 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 5: I think we enjoyed it. 209 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: Is fun. 210 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: You must get it through when you just zip that 211 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: bright orange suit up and put. 212 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: Your how should your partner ever say when you're at home, 213 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 2: haywork on the has met boys, thank you so much 214 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: for coming and we appreciate it. Thanks maybe it Lauren 215 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: feeling Good on No. 216 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: One hundred, Lauren on Socials