WEBVTT - Bonus: We Chat To A Shark Expert

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty seven year old surfer had been in the

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<v Speaker 1>water for just seconds when he was attacked by the bullsharks.

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<v Speaker 1>Bull shark attacks over the last forty eight hours. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is frightening, especially right in the middle of summer.

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<v Speaker 2>It is terrifying. Melissa Marquez is a shark expert from

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<v Speaker 2>Science and Technology Australia. She joins us this morning, How

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<v Speaker 2>I melt thanks time, no, thanks for having me so,

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<v Speaker 2>look we're hearing all these shark attacks at me in

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales. How worried do we need to be

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<v Speaker 2>here in Victoria, especially Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, the perfect storm has kind of happened here in

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney in regards to all of the rain that we've

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<v Speaker 3>been having. Right, and it's rain too, it's all the

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<v Speaker 3>bites have been linked to bull sharks, and so bull

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<v Speaker 3>sharks love to thrive in warm, murky waters and harbors

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<v Speaker 3>and estuaries, and your guys, is cold or water just

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<v Speaker 3>makes it less suitable for bull sharks. So you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have kind of the recipe for this perfect storm down there.

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<v Speaker 4>So in Port Phillip Bay where we are here in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 4>you'd be familiar with it. Do we have any sharks.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, have there been any sightings? I know there

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<v Speaker 4>was some form of shark down Port Seaway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, shark activity is a natural occurrence

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<v Speaker 3>if there's an ocean, more likely than not there is

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of shark in the area. We just happened

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<v Speaker 3>to coexist with them a lot more peacefully, more so

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<v Speaker 3>than not. So chances are the probably sharks there, you

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<v Speaker 3>just haven't had to deal with them.

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<v Speaker 1>So hearing on the news there's been four people bitten

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<v Speaker 1>by sharks in four days makes me go, I'm never

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<v Speaker 1>going to the beach again.

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<v Speaker 5>That's me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hanging up my snorkel. I'm never going back. Should

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<v Speaker 1>we be scared going to the beach?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, look again, it's these kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>what's happened recently. Obviously it's very very scary sounding and

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<v Speaker 3>it's very tragic, but it's because of this rainfall that

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<v Speaker 3>we had that has created kind of this environment for

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<v Speaker 3>these book sharks to really thrive and be in the

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<v Speaker 3>area and so on a normal kind of day, No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's just your regular, your regular kind of rest.

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<v Speaker 4>Similarly, excuse my ignorance. So I'm taking my boat out

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<v Speaker 4>right on Sydney Harbor.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm manifesting it and I want to jump in the water.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there ever a telltale sign that there is or

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<v Speaker 4>could be a shark around around me or around the

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<v Speaker 4>water or is it just sort of chance?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, probably the most telltale sign is the fin.

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<v Speaker 3>So you see a fin, probably don't going.

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<v Speaker 4>Schools of fish ure. Is Is there anything that any idea?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly that. So if you see a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>those small silvery fish, those beat balls around, they're congregating

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<v Speaker 3>quite closely. If they're jumping. Especially if you see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fish jumping around, maybe something underneath they're chasing them.

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<v Speaker 3>If you see other people kind of fishing around and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe throwing some of the scraps overboard as well, that

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<v Speaker 3>might be something that attracts them as well. And especially

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<v Speaker 3>if you're kind of in this area and you've got

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of just fresh water that's nutrient rich coming

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<v Speaker 3>in and you see quite murky water, probably avoid that

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Times of the day to avoid swimming. Is it sunrise

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<v Speaker 2>something dusk and dawn?

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<v Speaker 5>My mom always told me. Was she right or wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty much?

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<v Speaker 3>Dusk and dawn are when a lot of these sharks

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<v Speaker 3>are active, but we are seeing some of them be

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<v Speaker 3>a bit more active during the daytime as well. So

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<v Speaker 3>really it's just being conscious of your environment and conscious

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<v Speaker 3>of your swimming, so you know, always have your swimming buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>check your environmental arounds, make sure you know that you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have somebody fishing upstream from you, or you don't have,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a dead floating whale by.

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<v Speaker 2>You take a swim buddy. Someone that's abuses got more

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<v Speaker 2>mate on the bones. Someone looks more appealing.

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<v Speaker 5>I would suggest me probably.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking to you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not looking at Melissa. The sharks at the aquarium.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they stoned?

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<v Speaker 3>They just they're really well fed.

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<v Speaker 4>They seem quite friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they on the gummies or are they gummy sharks?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that you're gonna have to ask the aquarium

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<v Speaker 3>visually people and see what their diet is. But they

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<v Speaker 3>look very well fed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of want to you. You mentioned before law,

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<v Speaker 2>was that your mum told you dusk and dawn avoid

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<v Speaker 2>there's and look, Melissa Markeres is a shark expert. She's

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<v Speaker 2>joining us on the oir this morning. I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>question for you. This is it's a wise time. My

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<v Speaker 2>dad told me, he said, sharks attracted to fear. You

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<v Speaker 2>pee yourself when you're scared. Don't swim near kids at

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<v Speaker 2>the beach because they always pee in the water. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that true? I should avoid swimming near kids because they

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<v Speaker 2>track the sharks.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe you want to avoid swimming other kids

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<v Speaker 3>because it's it's less peaceful and swimming by the kids. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know what, I I think there's been

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<v Speaker 3>studies that are not like scientific. I think it's been

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<v Speaker 3>something about like Shark Week is done and stuff like

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<v Speaker 3>that to double check if pe attract sharks. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that was conclusive whatsoever. So feel free to

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<v Speaker 3>pee in the water if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about one of my friends who's a surfer,

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<v Speaker 1>told me, if you have a yellow surfboard, it puts

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<v Speaker 1>the sharks off.

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<v Speaker 5>If you have a red surfboard, they're attracted to it.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that true? Are they attracted to certain colors?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had we've heard of the whole like

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<v Speaker 3>yum yum yellow scenario. I never heard of the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>of a surfboard being red though or yellow. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do know that they're coming up with surfboards with like

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<v Speaker 3>bars on them, like lines on them, to break it

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<v Speaker 3>up as a shark mitigation kind of experiment to see

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<v Speaker 3>if that's something that kind of puts sharks off of

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<v Speaker 3>biting surfboards.

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<v Speaker 2>What about those shark bands I've seen them on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>What it's like a magnet band or something that you

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<v Speaker 2>see some surface. Well, do they work?

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them do have shown actually to work against sharks,

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<v Speaker 3>not all sharks, but some of them. For individual sharks,

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<v Speaker 3>it will actually pel them because of that electric kind

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<v Speaker 3>of force field that has I think w A actually

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<v Speaker 3>has a sort of government scheme that if you buy one,

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<v Speaker 3>like of a specific one that's been scientifically tested, they'll

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<v Speaker 3>give you some like remade money back.

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<v Speaker 5>And then if one comes me, do you just punch

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<v Speaker 5>me in the nose? Like mic Fanning?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever tried punching anything under water? Like, if

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<v Speaker 3>you go for the nose, you might either completely miss

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<v Speaker 3>or you might end up like in their mouth. I

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<v Speaker 3>go for the gills, go for those little slits on

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<v Speaker 3>the necks, because that's like punching something like in the chest,

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<v Speaker 3>and that would probably work a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>He stabbed him in the eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not that available?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

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<v Speaker 3>You please don't go randomly stabbing sharks.

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<v Speaker 4>Glad you jumped on us to talk about the sho Glad.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I didn't think I was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>talking about sharks being like, but it's been a great

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<v Speaker 3>way to start the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>But seriously, though, because people's killed the shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot no no, look write wats and stuff, but I think,

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<v Speaker 2>can we call?

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<v Speaker 5>We can't be calling the shots, can we?

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<v Speaker 3>So so it's been shown that calls do not work

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<v Speaker 3>in regards to the aim that everyone kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>hopes to and to be honest, sharks are significantly less

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous in reality than they're perceived by the public. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>globally there's about seven to one hundred unprovoked shark attacks annually.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about how many people go into the water. Those

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<v Speaker 3>are really really low risks.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, look, if they start showing up in your

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<v Speaker 6>local parks and taking up parking spots and like pullies

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<v Speaker 6>and pulls, staying a shot about that, but right now,

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<v Speaker 6>you know that's their environment.

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<v Speaker 4>That or on a pool table, Oh that was terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>The pool sharks are taking all of your money.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, Melissa shock expect joining us on the

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<v Speaker 2>thanks he to on this morning Mate.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Melissa, or is my pleasure of good one?

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<v Speaker 2>We should be feeding you to the stone sharks without one.

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<v Speaker 1>Queen and Drop

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<v Speaker 4>Jason Lauren Lauren wake up feeling good following them on

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