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Speaker 1: The twenty seven year old surfer had been in the

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Speaker 1: Bull shark attacks over the last forty eight hours. All right,

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Speaker 1: Oh that is frightening, especially right in the middle of summer.

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Speaker 2: It is terrifying. Melissa Marquez is a shark expert from

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Speaker 2: Science and Technology Australia. She joins us this morning, How

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Speaker 2: I melt thanks time, no, thanks for having me so,

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Speaker 2: look we're hearing all these shark attacks at me in

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Speaker 2: here in Victoria, especially Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: Look, the perfect storm has kind of happened here in

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Speaker 3: been having. Right, and it's rain too, it's all the

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Speaker 3: bites have been linked to bull sharks, and so bull

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Speaker 3: sharks love to thrive in warm, murky waters and harbors

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Speaker 3: and estuaries, and your guys, is cold or water just

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Speaker 3: makes it less suitable for bull sharks. So you don't

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Speaker 4: So in Port Phillip Bay where we are here in Melbourne,

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Speaker 4: you'd be familiar with it. Do we have any sharks.

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Speaker 4: You know, have there been any sightings? I know there

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Speaker 4: was some form of shark down Port Seaway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, shark activity is a natural occurrence

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Speaker 3: if there's an ocean, more likely than not there is

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Speaker 1: So hearing on the news there's been four people bitten

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Speaker 1: by sharks in four days makes me go, I'm never

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Speaker 5: That's me.

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Speaker 1: I'm hanging up my snorkel. I'm never going back. Should

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Speaker 1: we be scared going to the beach?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, look again, it's these kind of like

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Speaker 3: what's happened recently. Obviously it's very very scary sounding and

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Speaker 3: it's very tragic, but it's because of this rainfall that

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Speaker 3: we had that has created kind of this environment for

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Speaker 3: it's it's just your regular, your regular kind of rest.

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Speaker 4: Similarly, excuse my ignorance. So I'm taking my boat out

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Speaker 4: right on Sydney Harbor.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm manifesting it and I want to jump in the water.

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Speaker 4: Is there ever a telltale sign that there is or

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, probably the most telltale sign is the fin.

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Speaker 3: So you see a fin, probably don't going.

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Speaker 4: Schools of fish ure. Is Is there anything that any idea?

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Speaker 4: Exactly that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly that. So if you see a lot of

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Speaker 3: those small silvery fish, those beat balls around, they're congregating

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Speaker 3: quite closely. If they're jumping. Especially if you see a

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Speaker 3: lot of fish jumping around, maybe something underneath they're chasing them.

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Speaker 3: If you see other people kind of fishing around and

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Speaker 3: maybe throwing some of the scraps overboard as well, that

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Speaker 3: if you're kind of in this area and you've got

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Speaker 3: a bunch of just fresh water that's nutrient rich coming

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Speaker 3: in and you see quite murky water, probably avoid that

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Speaker 2: Times of the day to avoid swimming. Is it sunrise

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Speaker 2: something dusk and dawn?

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Speaker 5: My mom always told me. Was she right or wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Pretty much?

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Speaker 3: Dusk and dawn are when a lot of these sharks

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Speaker 3: really it's just being conscious of your environment and conscious

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Speaker 3: check your environmental arounds, make sure you know that you

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Speaker 3: don't have somebody fishing upstream from you, or you don't have,

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Speaker 3: you know, a dead floating whale by.

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Speaker 2: You take a swim buddy. Someone that's abuses got more

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Speaker 5: I would suggest me probably.

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Speaker 2: I'm just talking to you.

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Speaker 4: I'm not looking at Melissa. The sharks at the aquarium.

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Speaker 4: Are they stoned?

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Speaker 3: They just they're really well fed.

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Speaker 4: They seem quite friendly.

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Speaker 2: Are they on the gummies or are they gummy sharks?

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Speaker 3: I mean that you're gonna have to ask the aquarium

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Speaker 2: And I kind of want to you. You mentioned before law,

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Speaker 2: there's and look, Melissa Markeres is a shark expert. She's

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Speaker 2: joining us on the oir this morning. I've got a

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Speaker 2: dad told me, he said, sharks attracted to fear. You

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Speaker 2: pee yourself when you're scared. Don't swim near kids at

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you want to avoid swimming other kids

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Speaker 3: I think, you know what, I I think there's been

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Speaker 3: don't think that was conclusive whatsoever. So feel free to

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Speaker 1: And what about one of my friends who's a surfer,

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Speaker 1: told me, if you have a yellow surfboard, it puts

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Speaker 5: If you have a red surfboard, they're attracted to it.

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Speaker 5: Is that true? Are they attracted to certain colors?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had we've heard of the whole like

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Speaker 3: if that's something that kind of puts sharks off of

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Speaker 2: What about those shark bands I've seen them on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: What it's like a magnet band or something that you

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Speaker 3: Some of them do have shown actually to work against sharks,

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Speaker 3: not all sharks, but some of them. For individual sharks,

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Speaker 3: it will actually pel them because of that electric kind

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Speaker 5: And then if one comes me, do you just punch

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Speaker 3: Have you ever tried punching anything under water? Like, if

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Speaker 3: go for the gills, go for those little slits on

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Speaker 3: and that would probably work a lot better.

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Speaker 2: He stabbed him in the eye.

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Speaker 3: Is not that available?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 3: You please don't go randomly stabbing sharks.

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Speaker 4: Glad you jumped on us to talk about the sho Glad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't think I was going to be

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Speaker 5: But seriously, though, because people's killed the shots.

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Speaker 2: Shot no no, look write wats and stuff, but I think,

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Speaker 2: can we call?

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Speaker 5: We can't be calling the shots, can we?

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Speaker 3: So so it's been shown that calls do not work

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Speaker 3: in regards to the aim that everyone kind of like

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Speaker 3: hopes to and to be honest, sharks are significantly less

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Speaker 3: dangerous in reality than they're perceived by the public. You know,

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Speaker 3: globally there's about seven to one hundred unprovoked shark attacks annually.

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Speaker 3: Think about how many people go into the water. Those

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Speaker 3: are really really low risks.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, if they start showing up in your

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Speaker 6: local parks and taking up parking spots and like pullies

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Speaker 6: and pulls, staying a shot about that, but right now,

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Speaker 6: you know that's their environment.

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Speaker 4: That or on a pool table, Oh that was terrible.

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Speaker 3: The pool sharks are taking all of your money.

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Speaker 2: There we go, Melissa shock expect joining us on the

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Speaker 2: thanks he to on this morning Mate.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Melissa, or is my pleasure of good one?

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Speaker 2: We should be feeding you to the stone sharks without one.

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