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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel

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Speaker 1: people of the Euran Nation.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hilda Bound.

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Speaker 2: Another huge episode this week. Is Donald Trump going to

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Speaker 2: shut down late night television in America? No, And our

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Speaker 2: sixteen year old's going to be able to get the

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Speaker 2: vote in Australia. Yes, they'll do the topex five day

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Speaker 2: test and then they'll decide who our prime minister is. No.

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Speaker 2: And inside the shadowy world of the Greens, why is

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Speaker 2: the party that's meant to be all peace, love and

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Speaker 2: mung beans going around putting the proverbial political bullet in

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Speaker 2: the back of anyone's head who disagrees with them. We're

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Speaker 2: going to find out all that so much more right now.

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Speaker 2: First up this week, the biggest news in the world.

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Speaker 2: It's not World War three, which we do cover quite

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Speaker 2: extensively on this podcast, or indeed any of the various

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Speaker 2: regional conflicts that are about to explode into World War three. No,

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Speaker 2: it is Stephen Colbert. Yes, the host of the Late

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Speaker 2: Show on CBS has been shown the door by his

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Speaker 2: medium masters. And a lot of people are saying this

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Speaker 2: is all because of Donald Trump. Because, of course you

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Speaker 2: know everything's because of Donald Trump, and in their defense,

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Speaker 2: possibly is because of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So what is actually going on? Well, let's do a

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Speaker 3: dick dive.

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Speaker 2: So Stephen Colbert took over the Late Show from David Letterman,

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Speaker 2: who had been doing it for twenty years, and he

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Speaker 2: who put Jay Leno in the Tonight Show and it

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Speaker 2: should have been Dave Letterman. And Dave Lenmond goes over

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Speaker 2: to the CBS and as this fantastic show does incredibly well,

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Speaker 2: he's a legend of late night television. And then Dave

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Speaker 2: Letterman calls time and CBS was supposed to put in

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Speaker 2: Craig Ferguson, who was Dave Letterman's kind of understudy. He

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Speaker 2: Craig Ferguson, who's an incredibly funny guy just off the

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Speaker 2: he should have got the spot. But again they got

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Speaker 2: it wrong. They gave it to Stephen Colbert instead. Stephen

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Speaker 2: Colbert had made his reputation playing a different Stephen Colbert,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert who was actually a parody of a right

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Speaker 2: wing shock jock, but the real Stephen Colbert was actually

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Speaker 2: a progressive liberal coastal elite, and so a lot of

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Speaker 2: people were quite surprised when he got the Latcher say hey,

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Speaker 2: why are you giving it that right wing guy? And

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Speaker 2: then a lot of people are also surprised when say,

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Speaker 2: hang on a minute, this guy's not the Stephen Colbert

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Speaker 2: who he was actually playing on his previous show. So

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Speaker 2: interesting choice. Anyway, as soon as Stephen Colbert gets the gig,

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Speaker 2: he basically starts going off against Trump, as all three

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Speaker 2: of the main kind of network late show hosts tend

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Speaker 2: to do. So you've got your Jimmy Fallons, you've got

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Speaker 2: they all just love taking the piss out of Trump.

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Speaker 2: And that's fine, that's great, that's free speech. That's late

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Speaker 2: night comedy. Not quite as funny as it could be,

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Speaker 2: because Trump's already pretty funny. Trump is actually more entertaining

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Speaker 2: than the people who are trying to score shots off him,

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Speaker 2: but whatever, that's terrific, free speech and all that. And then,

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Speaker 2: after ten years of that happening, suddenly CBS decides right,

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Speaker 2: that's it. Not only we're going to get rid of

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Speaker 2: whole Late Show because we can't have the Late Show

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Speaker 2: If you can follow that logic, you're probably doing a

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Speaker 2: another year's notice. It's not until May next year that

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Speaker 2: it actually goes, So they give a year to publicly

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Speaker 2: CBS did the same thing to me. I'm Australia, Stephen Colbert,

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Speaker 3: So they get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: So fine, I understand TV networks have to do that.

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Speaker 3: That happens. But there's a lot of thought that there's

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Speaker 2: More going on with Stephen Colbert, and one of those

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Speaker 2: CBS for a sixty minutes program which was edited to

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Speaker 2: And Trump and his backer said, well, hang on a minute,

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Speaker 2: that's electoral interference. You can't do that. So he launches

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit against CBS for ten billion dollars billion, because

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Speaker 3: Are we gonna what are we gonna do? We're gonna yeah,

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Speaker 2: So Rudy Giuliani or whoever it is it does his

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Speaker 2: good deal for CBS. But Stephen Colbert says, no, how

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Speaker 2: could you sell out to the evil Trump monster? Your

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Speaker 2: cowards you should have stood up to him.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people think, well, hang on, maybe

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Speaker 2: that has to be approved by the US Federal Communications Commission,

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Speaker 2: the eight billion dollar reason why Stephen Colbert's late show

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Speaker 2: So what does this mean for free speech in America? Well, already,

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Speaker 2: They when it comes to actually making a call on

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Speaker 2: I guess democracies doesn't die in darkness, that dies in

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Speaker 2: But the one outlet that has really stood up to

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Speaker 2: beloved news Court, publishers of The Wall Street Journal, which

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Speaker 2: ran an incredibly in depth piece about Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, who, as you may know, totally committed suicide

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Speaker 2: Sorry, anyway, not sorely missed. It's fair to say not

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Speaker 2: But everyone's been running what's in the Epstein files?

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk said, there's the Epstein trials and Trump's all over. Well,

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Speaker 2: But the one masthead that has actually revealed it, one

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Speaker 2: and they have uncovered this book that contains all these

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Speaker 2: It was fiftieth birthday. Donald Trump is one of them,

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Speaker 2: and it contains this sort of text, weird text, like

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Speaker 3: Sort of secrets and enigmas, which all sounds a little

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Speaker 2: And if that wasn't enough, it's inside a drawn silhouette

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Speaker 2: just where the pubic area is is Donald Trump's signature.

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Speaker 2: So it looks a bit like, I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: of inspiration. Donald Trump's signature is kind of looks a

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Speaker 2: little bit like the pippercap anyway, And the Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Donald trucks, Oh, I didn't read that.

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Speaker 3: I never read that. I don't even rate pictures, he

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Speaker 2: They said, I don't write pictures, and then turns out

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Speaker 2: he does actually write a lot of pictures. They found

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Speaker 3: That had done.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, whatever, so he's now suing the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 2: And so who is actually standing up for free speech

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Speaker 2: the most powerful man in the world. Well, it's not

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Speaker 3: Ah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe it. But again, that's what youth is for.

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Speaker 2: It's for doing all that dumb stuff and fun stuff

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Speaker 3: And people say, oh, there's a barrier.

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Speaker 2: They actually said in the UK, but there's barriers to

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Speaker 3: No, there's not. There's no barriers at all. All they

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Speaker 3: All they have to do is literally nothing. Just don't die.

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Speaker 2: That's just waiting. It's like say, sixteen year old, it's

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Speaker 2: You know, good news, guys. Child mortality isn't what it

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Speaker 2: So obviously the UK labor is thinking that this will

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Speaker 2: the next election and win, so we'll get all these

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Speaker 3: Labor now spoiler alert. I don't know if you picked

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Speaker 2: That, but you know, when I was young, I was like, oh, Labor,

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Speaker 3: You know, they're not even revolutionaries. What would Labour know

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Speaker 2: Because of course, when you're young, you want, you know, excitement,

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Speaker 3: So just think about that.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, they're going to go the Greens and the Teals,

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Speaker 2: pretty much everybody else. So kids, I'm sorry, not this

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Speaker 3: We'll see you at the ballot box.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you might have noticed, over the last week,

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Speaker 3: Or a Waldorf salad. They have now.

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Speaker 2: Expelled their own founder. The Greens voted to expel their

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Speaker 3: So where is the party at? What is going on?

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Speaker 3: How does this work? How are they allowed to do this? Well?

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Speaker 2: More, we have our resident Greens whisper, our insider into

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Speaker 2: found the Legalized Cannabis Party. But it was a Greens

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Speaker 2: And he knows how this very very secretive, almost cult

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Speaker 2: how are you mate, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: To thanks for the intro. Great to be with you

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Speaker 1: the real deal on the real story. Joe, I love it.

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Speaker 3: We should put that in the promo.

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Speaker 2: Jesse, you obviously were a Greens MP up House MP

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Speaker 2: How does the party kind of police or decide what

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Speaker 3: First? And then how is it? Police?

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Speaker 1: Well, I emerged from the Greens relatively unscathed. I've been

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Speaker 1: for it. It's changed over time, it's evolved. The Green

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Speaker 3: Started to go right, that's sort of.

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Speaker 1: Where it's entry ism. Way back in the day because

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Speaker 1: But back in the day, they were all about consensus,

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Speaker 1: the communists, the socialists, they've taken over the totalitarians, and

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Speaker 1: So Drew Hutton has been expelled and a remarkable a

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Speaker 1: He's been expelled for saying things that most people in

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Speaker 1: society and most people in the Greens would believe is

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Speaker 1: true that you should have a conversation about this issue.

436
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Speaker 1: And he's been expelled because he's got in the way

437
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Speaker 1: of this new cohort that's entered the Greens that are

438
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Speaker 1: using critical gender theory to basically drive out everyone. They've

439
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Speaker 1: driven out the less. They've driven out the feminists, they're

440
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Speaker 1: driven out everyone who thinks that a man is a

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Speaker 1: man and a woman as a woman. And they've driven

442
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Speaker 1: out their founder, and so they're really starting to eat

443
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Speaker 1: their own consume themselves, and the electorates seeing it, and

444
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Speaker 1: they're devolving into an irrelevance.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of reminiscent of a good old

446
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Speaker 2: fashioned Star of the Spurge, isn't it. I mean, there's

447
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Speaker 2: I mean it feels like and looks like, you know,

448
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Speaker 2: they're almost using this as a fig leaf to actually

449
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Speaker 2: get rid of all the old guard anyone who is

450
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Speaker 2: part of that sort of form of deep green really

451
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Speaker 2: sort of environmentalist wing of the party, so that the

452
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Speaker 2: sort of the red you know.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the Communists used to call it a revision

454
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Speaker 1: of someone who said, oh hold on, look, we did

455
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Speaker 1: something wrong back in the day. And they say, you're

456
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Speaker 1: a visionist and they would literally have a star chamber,

457
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Speaker 1: a kangaroo court finds you guilty for incorrect thinking and

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Speaker 1: take you out the back in the courtyard and put

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Speaker 1: a bullet in your head. And that's what the Greens

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Speaker 1: are doing politically to their own which I think should

461
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Speaker 1: alarm people in Australia that these people will do that

462
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Speaker 1: to themselves. What would they ever do if they ever

463
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Speaker 1: got into government, God forbid. So they are very hardline,

464
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Speaker 1: very aggressive, and that's one of the key things about

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Speaker 1: the Greens which they really have changed from. They used

466
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Speaker 1: to be a party of consensus and peace and kumbai

467
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Speaker 1: ah and you know, twelve string guitars and a spliff.

468
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Speaker 1: But now they're about votes, doing the numbers. Committees that

469
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Speaker 1: referm it matters to other subcommittees that make a decision.

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Speaker 1: It's written into the by laws. And if you've said X,

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Speaker 1: Y Z and it's against the by laws, then you're

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Speaker 1: out expelled and your family and your dog and anyone

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Speaker 1: that's ever talked to you.

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Speaker 2: And this is the extraordinary thing. So let's just drill

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Speaker 2: down into what is actually going on here. Firstly, we're

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Speaker 2: talking about a guy who is an elder statesman of

477
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Speaker 2: the party, who's literally one of the founders of the party.

478
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Speaker 2: He's not an MP anyway. We're not talking about his

479
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Speaker 2: preselection has been withdrawn or he's been booted out of

480
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Speaker 2: Parliament because you know, he's not voting the right way

481
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Speaker 2: or anything. He is merely a party member.

482
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Speaker 3: He is just a party member of the party.

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Speaker 2: And the thing that he is being accused of violating

484
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Speaker 2: that is not a sort of publicly stated or publicly

485
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Speaker 2: set out ironclad position that he has to adhere to.

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Speaker 2: These are sort of secret by laws that you can't

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Speaker 2: actually see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is exactly right. Well, look, in terms of

489
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Speaker 1: who Drew Hutton is, Drew Hutton started the environment movement

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Speaker 1: in the world. Like, this is a guy who in

491
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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies said, hey, the great Barrier reef probably

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Speaker 1: worth protecting climate change could be an issue. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a generation ago when it was a theory

494
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Speaker 1: and now it's a reality. And he said, we need

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Speaker 1: a political movement that's going to fight for social just

496
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Speaker 1: as some freedoms for people who were living sort of

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Speaker 1: a different sort of lifestyle and the environment. And that's

498
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Speaker 1: where the Green started. He was one of the founding

499
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Speaker 1: members back in the early eighties and an incredibly sage

500
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Speaker 1: I know him very well. He's a sage and thoughtful guy.

501
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Speaker 1: He started the lock the Gate movement. He started the

502
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Speaker 1: movement that said, hey, Cole senge gaest fracking, all of

503
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Speaker 1: that could be a problem. He built relationships with farmers,

504
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Speaker 1: but he's an incredibly thoughtful guy. His wife's a professor

505
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Speaker 1: in humanities. And he wrote like a long winded Facebook

506
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Speaker 1: post basically saying, hey, look, can we at least have

507
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Speaker 1: a conversation about critical gender theory. You know this idea

508
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Speaker 1: that you know, a trans woman is a woman? Will

509
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Speaker 1: some people have a different view and we should have

510
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Speaker 1: a conversation about that. And that's what he's been expelled

511
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Speaker 1: at for saying, let's have a conversation. There's clearly a

512
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Speaker 1: diversity of views in the community and there's a diversity

513
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Speaker 1: of views in the Greens. And what do they say.

514
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Speaker 1: They say, you're completely wrong incorrect thinking. That's actually the

515
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Speaker 1: terminology that he incorrect thinking, which is straight out of yeah,

516
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Speaker 1: straight out of like the Little Read book, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: Chairman Mao's book. It's nineteen eighty four. You're after the

518
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: rice Paddy, you know, to be reprogrammed wrong think, wrong think,

519
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: and then you've got that's exactly what's happened to Drew Hutton.

520
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like the you know, the Labor

521
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Speaker 1: Party turning on GoF whitlam or the Liberal Party expelling

522
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Speaker 1: Mensi's retrospectively.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing, and it's it's not only

524
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Speaker 2: the Facebook post that he did where he said look

525
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Speaker 2: and he said, he openly said, verbatim, I support trans rights.

526
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Speaker 2: I also support women's rights and we just need to

527
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Speaker 2: sort of have it talk about how these intersect and

528
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Speaker 2: you know what we can do to support both. And

529
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Speaker 2: then there were a couple of comments that the Greens,

530
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Speaker 2: you know, I think to similar effect that weren't even

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Speaker 2: by him. They were just in response to this post,

532
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Speaker 2: and he was, you know, I think the Greens leadership

533
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Speaker 2: said you have to take down those comments, you have

534
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Speaker 2: to delete them, and he said, well, no, I'm saying

535
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Speaker 2: we should have a conversation. I'm pretty weird if I

536
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Speaker 2: had deleted people part of that conversation and the comments

537
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: weren't particularly inflammatory or anything like that. They just disagreed,

538
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Speaker 2: veered from the official Green's secret position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's exactly the point.

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Speaker 2: Then he had to go to a state council meeting

541
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Speaker 2: again behind closed doors. Again it's not made public who

542
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: was on that, who voted which way, and they vote

543
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Speaker 2: basically three quarters to one quarter against to get rid

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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it talk us through that process.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Greens that like talk about transparency in government

547
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Speaker 1: all the time. They want accountability and transparency and show

548
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Speaker 1: us the decision making and show us the documents and

549
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: like let's put it all on the table and you know,

550
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Speaker 1: using processes of parliaments to you know, to shine the

551
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: light on government. That's what they say, except about themselves.

552
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: So they're not transparent about where they get their money from,

553
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: They're not transparent about their decision making. They're the only

554
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: party apart, I think from the Nats who hide, and

555
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Speaker 1: I think the Nats have even opened up more now,

556
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: but they hide all their decision making behind closed doors.

557
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: They never let the media in. They don't they don't

558
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: explain what their processes is. They hide all their by

559
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: laws and their constitution. And it's not just Drew Hutton,

560
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: it's rank and file members, it's MP's former leaders. They've

561
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Speaker 1: had a huge purge in Victoria where they basically over

562
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Speaker 1: the same issue. Some of their like some of their

563
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Speaker 1: lifelong advocates, some of the most high profile candidates form

564
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Speaker 1: to MPs all marched out the door for like incorrect

565
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Speaker 1: thinking or as you've just elucidated plat apparently platforming turfs,

566
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Speaker 1: like creating a space where there's a discussion where like

567
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Speaker 1: a lot of feminists, lesbians, people who've been activists in

568
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: the party say, look, there's there's issues, like we support

569
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Speaker 1: the trans community, but there's a there's important women's issues

570
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Speaker 1: and women's rights we have to protect. We want to

571
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Speaker 1: have a conversation about that. Well no, sorry, straight to

572
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Speaker 1: the gulag for you. That's what's happened. And the process

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Speaker 1: is absolutely abysmal, Like this has been going for years.

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Speaker 1: It's drawn out with committees with appearances at secret state councils,

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Speaker 1: these labor went through a process where there were these

576
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Speaker 1: faceless men making decisions on the party. Well, the Greens

577
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: are run by faceless men and women, people who are

578
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Speaker 1: elected by a small committee to make decisions that control

579
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Speaker 1: their MPs, that rule over the life of the party

580
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Speaker 1: and it's for political political purposes. Drew Hutton, which is

581
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Speaker 1: just an outrageous proposition, is seen as.

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Speaker 3: Two right wings is incredible.

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Speaker 1: He's seen his two right wing so the hard left

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Speaker 1: of the Queensland Greens, which are the hard left of

585
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Speaker 1: the Australians.

586
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: Where Avenue leader Larissa Water comes from.

587
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Speaker 1: Larissa Wards and I don't know if you saw her

588
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: on seven thirty, an abysmal like she is a key

589
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: ally of Drew Hutton, like she is like he is

590
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Speaker 1: her political mentor, and she just goes, oh, well, this

591
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: is the process. The party's going through, this absolutely tempid

592
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: defense of the process and it's complete madness, and everyone

593
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: else looking at it goes, how can you execute this

594
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Speaker 1: incredible guy, like a guy who's contributed to Australian political

595
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Speaker 1: life and attempt to justify I think we.

596
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Speaker 2: Maybe saw the scales sort of fall from the eyes

597
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: of the electorate a bit at the last election where

598
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Speaker 2: you know, the Green sort of held up in their

599
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: sort of overall vote, but they lost all those seats,

600
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Speaker 2: including Adam Bant's seat of Melbourne, which we'll get to

601
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Speaker 2: a tick, because people suddenly saw It's one thing when

602
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Speaker 2: they're jumping up and down and railing against you know,

603
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison or whatever, but even when they get a leader,

604
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Speaker 2: a prime minister like Anthony Alberanezi, who hails from the

605
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Speaker 2: left of the Labor Party, but of course is behaving

606
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Speaker 2: as he should, like a sort of pragmatic centrist, because

607
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: he has to and because he should as well. But

608
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Speaker 2: they just the ferocity with which he was being attacked

609
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Speaker 2: and obstructed. I think a whole lot of people thought,

610
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Speaker 2: hang on a minute, if you're going that high over

611
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, on things like housing, on things like Palestine,

612
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: you're attacking a Labor left prime minister to the point

613
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Speaker 2: where you're barricading his office basically as well as all

614
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Speaker 2: the other MP's. Maybe you guys aren't the kind of peace,

615
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: love and monk because of course the Greens present themselves

616
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Speaker 2: as the party of peace and tolerance and diversity.

617
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Speaker 1: And inclusion exactly, and all these things.

618
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Speaker 3: And getting to the conclusion it's extraordinary.

619
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Speaker 2: But on the front page of The Australian this week,

620
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Speaker 2: and I think it was the Victorian branch this time around.

621
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Speaker 3: It might be wrong, but.

622
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Speaker 2: That another Greens member was basically forced to retract a

623
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Speaker 2: statement that the Greens weren't being inclusive. Otherwise she'd be expelled, Like.

624
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Speaker 3: You cannot make that up.

625
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: You cannot make that up.

626
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Speaker 2: You have to say that we are. If you don't

627
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Speaker 2: say we're inclusive, we're going to exclude.

628
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not tolerating you saying we're intolerant.

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Speaker 2: That's it is.

630
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Speaker 3: It is the issue.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is over the same issue, and it's a real issue.

633
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: The Greens are losing their base because young people might

634
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: vote for the Greens for one or two elections, then

635
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: they realize, actually, who's going to do a good job

636
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: of running health and education and transport and a lot

637
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: of the services that I need. They grow up, they

638
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: grow up. But at the other end of the scale,

639
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: the baby boomers are seeing the Greens that they're attack

640
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: on property owners there there there, and I think it's

641
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a transparent attempt to use an international

642
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: war to divide the divide society. They said, well, that's

643
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: not very like. That's not about conciliation and building understanding.

644
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: That's about, you know, polarizing people and saying good guys,

645
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: bad guys, and everyone else who's not with us, will

646
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: they deserve to be torn down. Everyone saw that and

647
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: and their obstructionism rather than saying, hey, let's have a

648
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: reasonable discussion about a critical issue like housing. And Max

649
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: Chandler Mather who thought he was going to use that

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Speaker 1: obstructionism to boost his profile and raise the Greens vote

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Speaker 1: and to wipe out the Labor Party. That's their agenda

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Speaker 1: that behind closed doors, the people they hate the most

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Speaker 1: are labor left. Bob Brown always used to say, of

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Speaker 1: the of those of those hard left members in the Greens,

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Speaker 1: the person they hate the most is their brother, the

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Speaker 1: person closest to them, rather than rather than their political

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Speaker 1: their real ideological opponents, which is you know, the Liberal

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Speaker 1: Party or the National Party whose I used to go after.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time they go after the people standing

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Speaker 1: close and they chase people like Tanya Albow, Lindsey Tanner.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are all the people whose seats they

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Speaker 2: are targeting, who they want to kill from office. They're

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Speaker 2: not even going after the Labor right, no, they don't

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Speaker 2: have support in the outer suburbs, but going after the

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Speaker 2: people who you would think were ideologically closest to them,

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Speaker 2: which they're not, and which is why I'm constantly saying

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Speaker 2: that the Greens are no friend of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: They are like cookoos in the nest. They want to

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Speaker 2: actually hollow out the Labor Party. They want to eat

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Speaker 2: it out from the inside and then replace it so

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Speaker 2: that they are the dominant party of opposition. And Adam

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Speaker 2: Band has actually kind of said this in previous kind

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Speaker 2: of thing pieces in the oars, like again, it's hiding

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Speaker 2: in plain sight, and so this idea a among sections

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Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. I think they've been disabused of

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Speaker 2: that folly recently, but that the Greens are kind of

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Speaker 2: like just a bit more extreme or a bit more naive,

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Speaker 2: or a bit more idealistic versions of us.

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Speaker 3: That is not true.

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Speaker 2: They are hardcore extremists, as we have seen, and they

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Speaker 2: are now the dominant faction in that party, a party

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Speaker 2: that doesn't just want to make labor policy or indeed

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Speaker 2: liberal policy just a bit greener and cleaner and nicer,

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Speaker 2: but wants to actually take over the left, the whole

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Speaker 2: left of Australian policy, force the Labor Party out, become

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Speaker 2: the dominant party of opposition, presumably to one day when government,

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Speaker 2: as if that's ever going to happen. And this is

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Speaker 2: another thing like you talk about the boomers saying, hang

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Speaker 2: on a minute, they want to come and take my house,

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Speaker 2: and they're jumping up and down about you know, a Palestine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is another thing that Drew Hutton, who

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Speaker 2: is of that generation and of that view, has said said,

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Speaker 2: how do we go from being the party of peace

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Speaker 2: to being a party that's chanting death to the idea

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Speaker 2: for becoming like hyper militant, hyper militant That.

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Speaker 1: Is exactly it, being militant using really aggressive language, and

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Speaker 1: the veil is being drawn back. They hide some of

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Speaker 1: their messaging behind code like change the system. What's the

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Speaker 1: system they want to change? The system is our social

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Speaker 1: democratic and our capitalist system, you know, with the with

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Speaker 1: the the rough edges of capitalism knocked off by our

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Speaker 1: social democracy. But they want to have a socialist system.

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Speaker 1: These people actually they want a revolution. That their catch

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Speaker 1: cry is the worse the better. When they say they

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Speaker 1: want to change the system, they want to change the

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Speaker 1: system into what they were outwardly about ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: saying we're anti capitalists. They had all these factions turning

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Speaker 1: turning up, and they explicitly were trying to win preselections

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Speaker 1: and knock people like myself out. Well, they realized that

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Speaker 1: that wasn't going to work with the membership, so they

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Speaker 1: went underground and they took over the leavers of the party.

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Speaker 1: And that's what they've done. They've focused on the elections

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Speaker 1: within the party and who cares about any of that

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Speaker 1: stuff they did, and now they're driving it into an

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Speaker 1: electoral dead end, a political dead end, and it's cost

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Speaker 1: them their House of rep suits that the party is

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Speaker 1: as divided as you possibly can be. There's some old

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Speaker 1: school people in there like you, Peter Wish Wilsons and

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Speaker 1: you're much like not for much longer. But they attack them.

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Speaker 1: They're just constantly attacking them, driving them out because they're

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Speaker 1: not anti capitalists. They're not about tearing down the system,

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Speaker 1: decolonize Australia, abolish Australia, all this sort of guff. That's

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Speaker 1: what they're really about. And you see a lot of that,

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Speaker 1: like you can. You look at a lot of these

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Speaker 1: activists there Twitter handles, they've got pictures of like Lenin

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Speaker 1: and Maw and Marx and then Jeremy Corby and all

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Speaker 1: the basically Shay Gevara and all this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: They don't do their history. A lot of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: were born this century. They don't do their history and

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Speaker 1: realize that these people were homicidal, totalitarian maniacs that killed

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of their own people. And they because

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Speaker 1: they don't learn their history, they're condemned to repeat it.

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Speaker 3: And it's so true.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to take you back to something you just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: how the sort of the catch cry, and again this

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Speaker 2: is not something they say public, but the slogan the worse,

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Speaker 2: the better. And I just want to explain what I

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Speaker 2: know you mean by that, but others might not. And

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Speaker 2: this is this idea and I heard it when I

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Speaker 2: was a young student socialist, myself, other people talking about it,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was pretty pretty weird.

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Speaker 3: Even back then.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't too smart, but I was smart enough to

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Speaker 2: know that there was something fishy about it. But this

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Speaker 2: idea that you want to actually create or usher in

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Speaker 2: a government that is bad for people, because that will

747
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Speaker 2: then trigger the revolution that will trigger the uprising. I

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Speaker 2: had people say in nineteen ninety six that you know,

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Speaker 2: hardcore socialists saying they were happy that John Howard and

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Speaker 2: the Coalition got elected a ninety ninety six because this

751
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Speaker 2: would trigger the revolution. And look, spoiler alert, that did

752
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Speaker 2: not happen. But you know, for you know, for plenty

753
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Speaker 2: of people, and certainly plenty on the left, but for

754
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Speaker 2: plenty of poor people, their lives got much much worse

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Speaker 2: under that government. But the Greens actually celebrated that they

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Speaker 2: wanted that because from that suffering would be that the

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Speaker 2: phoenix of the overthrow of capitalism and the democratic government

758
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Speaker 2: by this glorious socialist revolution. And of course it never happened.

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Speaker 2: All that happened was the bad stuff. But just because

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Speaker 2: that is insane and it is completely bonkers doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: it's not true. It doesn't mean that is that is

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Speaker 2: actually a view that they hold, and they're still going

763
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Speaker 2: around saying that. They're still going around saying the worst,

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Speaker 2: the better, worst, the better.

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Speaker 1: It is, and they look at things like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bolshevik Revolution, they go, oh, the women's day rights

767
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Speaker 1: and there was a there was a famine. If we

768
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Speaker 1: can just get a really cold winter and a famine

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Speaker 1: and some you know, nasty members of the military to

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Speaker 1: fire some canons on a women's protest then will be

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Speaker 1: swept into powerse And that's and like there was one

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Speaker 1: of the candidates to forget his name, who went up

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Speaker 1: against Albow about ten years ago, said I would rather

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Speaker 1: have a riots in the street. I would rather have

775
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Speaker 1: rights in the street and a massive social movement rising

776
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Speaker 1: up under a Tony Abbott government than I think after

777
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Speaker 1: under Julia Gillard. And that's what he was saying. That

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Speaker 1: was I think Jim Casey, that was him. He was

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Speaker 1: saying that, And I, like I remember being in the

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Speaker 1: party at the time and just going, that is absolute insanity.

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Speaker 1: If that's what you want to see to get your

782
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Speaker 1: you know, that's your vehicle for social change. I'm not there.

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Speaker 1: I was going, Look, the areas of real need in

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Speaker 1: this country are the rural, regional, outback areas where the

785
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: National Party have been in charge for one hundred years

786
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Speaker 1: and have led to social decline, social decay, all the

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Speaker 1: metrics of the worst. They're the places we could win

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Speaker 1: and I was successful. We won the seat of northeastern

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Speaker 1: New South Wales the only time we'd ever won a

790
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Speaker 1: regional and rural seat, but they saw that as a

791
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Speaker 1: threat that the inner city hard left said, we don't

792
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Speaker 1: want to go and talk to farmers, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to talk to regional people. We want to win the

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Speaker 1: inner city from labor. And they used to call it

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Speaker 1: the people's Republic of Erskine Viewe. We'll create that that

796
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: little bee chaired in Melbourne and then spread it all out. Well,

797
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: it's been absolutely smashed to pieces because at their heart

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Speaker 1: there is this rot and that is this unreconstructed socialism

799
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Speaker 1: which is about smashing the way of the life we

800
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Speaker 1: have in Australia, smashing our institutions, smashing the well being

801
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Speaker 1: of the people of Australia. So what they get to

802
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: rise to tow with the back of the beer coaster policy.

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Speaker 2: Basically using poor people as human shields for their cause.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Buckingham, thank you so much for joining us on

805
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Speaker 2: the real story. It's always absolutely fascinating to listen to

806
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Speaker 2: these insights, and again you don't hear them anywhere else,

807
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: precisely because we are talking about the whole problem is

808
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Speaker 2: that this is an incredibly secretive organization.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much. For blowing the wistle on it.

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Speaker 3: Always a pleasure, mate. Thanks Joe, and that is all

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Speaker 3: we have time for this week.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed the show. I know I certainly did.

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Speaker 2: Number a great judge of shows. Slippers message at the

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