1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: A Podchay production. 2 00:00:10,281 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Clink Podcast. You wouldn't have heard my 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:13,241 Speaker 2: voice before. 4 00:00:13,241 --> 00:00:13,961 Speaker 3: My name is Jay. 5 00:00:14,481 --> 00:00:17,201 Speaker 2: I actually work really closely with brent On, the producer 6 00:00:17,241 --> 00:00:20,721 Speaker 2: of this podcast, and I'm sitting here with him right now, 7 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:25,001 Speaker 2: and I've actually never seen him so uncomfortable. 8 00:00:25,601 --> 00:00:28,761 Speaker 3: I think uncomfortable an understatement, to be honest with you, mate, 9 00:00:28,801 --> 00:00:32,841 Speaker 3: I never really wanted to sit down. 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,641 Speaker 4: And I mean not that I haven't told my story before. 11 00:00:36,681 --> 00:00:40,841 Speaker 3: There's been plenty of documentaries and media done about my 12 00:00:41,561 --> 00:00:46,521 Speaker 3: life and a story of redemption. But when it's your 13 00:00:46,521 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: own story, your own podcast, and everybody's asking for it, 14 00:00:50,441 --> 00:00:54,521 Speaker 3: it has to be nothing but the best. So today's 15 00:00:54,801 --> 00:00:56,801 Speaker 3: will be one that goes quite deep. 16 00:00:57,401 --> 00:01:00,161 Speaker 2: We've had a shitload of people ask for this story, 17 00:01:00,441 --> 00:01:02,961 Speaker 2: and I know we've been talking about it for pretty 18 00:01:03,041 --> 00:01:05,761 Speaker 2: much six or seven weeks about you wanting whether you 19 00:01:05,801 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: wanted to do it or not, and I think the 20 00:01:07,881 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: fact that you're doing it is is admirable. And I 21 00:01:11,401 --> 00:01:12,761 Speaker 2: know there's going to be a lot of people that 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,321 Speaker 2: hear this and and thank you for talking. So let's 23 00:01:17,321 --> 00:01:17,801 Speaker 2: get into it. 24 00:01:17,801 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, it's been a quite an anxious day here. 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,521 Speaker 3: We are welcome to Melwoodie Studio. 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,761 Speaker 4: Is he live and corrupted on the goldcast. I'm here 27 00:01:28,801 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: about to share my story for the record. 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 5: I don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record. 29 00:01:34,241 --> 00:01:37,401 Speaker 5: You ain't trying world downer stuff for your for the record, 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,041 Speaker 5: lab on me going hard away for a record. Ain't 31 00:01:41,081 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 5: trying to link no China waste stuff. 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,961 Speaker 6: For the record, for the record, for the record, for 33 00:01:50,121 --> 00:01:57,121 Speaker 6: the right for a ready photo record. 34 00:01:57,321 --> 00:01:58,641 Speaker 5: Don't try and make you uncomfortable. 35 00:02:04,761 --> 00:02:04,921 Speaker 3: Hm. 36 00:02:06,761 --> 00:02:10,561 Speaker 2: Let's start as a kid. As a kid, tell me 37 00:02:10,601 --> 00:02:12,281 Speaker 2: about the early days before you attend. 38 00:02:14,081 --> 00:02:17,641 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I originally was born on the North Shore 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,721 Speaker 3: of Sydney in mainly district hospital, middle class sort of parents, 40 00:02:23,761 --> 00:02:26,681 Speaker 3: I guess, hard workers back then. What I can remember, 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,761 Speaker 3: we moved out to the western suburbs of Sydney. I 42 00:02:32,761 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: think it was about four three or four and straight 43 00:02:37,561 --> 00:02:41,001 Speaker 3: out of the north Shore of d Why and straight 44 00:02:41,041 --> 00:02:44,961 Speaker 3: into a place called Bradbury, right in the thick of 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:51,641 Speaker 3: the Housing Commission, predominantly an indigenous community all around there. Yeah, 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,361 Speaker 3: it was very intimidating, very overwhelming. It was a big 47 00:02:58,481 --> 00:03:02,361 Speaker 3: lesson that sort of started my life off, and I 48 00:03:02,361 --> 00:03:04,081 Speaker 3: guess it's given me the strength to be where I 49 00:03:04,121 --> 00:03:09,721 Speaker 3: am today. Brothers, sisters. Yeah, I got a brother. He's 50 00:03:09,881 --> 00:03:11,921 Speaker 3: four years younger than your sister. That's two years younger 51 00:03:12,001 --> 00:03:18,721 Speaker 3: than me. Unfortunately, over many years we were separated, possibly 52 00:03:18,761 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: about fourteen years. 53 00:03:22,001 --> 00:03:26,321 Speaker 4: They left when my mother left me and took off 54 00:03:26,361 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: with them. 55 00:03:26,761 --> 00:03:31,081 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about that, your mum. I don't really 56 00:03:31,121 --> 00:03:34,841 Speaker 3: want to fucking talk about it at all. Yeah, I'm 57 00:03:34,401 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: not interested. Don't have anything to do with deside I 58 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:41,801 Speaker 3: want to Yeah, Okay. My father was a heavy drinker. 59 00:03:41,921 --> 00:03:45,321 Speaker 3: He was a workaholic and what I would call an alcoholic. 60 00:03:45,761 --> 00:03:47,481 Speaker 3: He would drink a flag and a pentholes were all 61 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 3: reserve back in the day, and nothing to knock off, 62 00:03:50,481 --> 00:03:53,921 Speaker 3: a bottle of Grant Scotch and whatever else was there 63 00:03:53,961 --> 00:03:55,961 Speaker 3: and be out the back, ripping off the fence, palings 64 00:03:56,001 --> 00:03:58,921 Speaker 3: with all the uncles around the area, creating bonfires or 65 00:03:58,961 --> 00:04:03,241 Speaker 3: fucking night and getting blind. How old were you at 66 00:04:03,241 --> 00:04:06,881 Speaker 3: that stone? Back to about six years of age, five 67 00:04:06,961 --> 00:04:09,961 Speaker 3: six years of age, and that was pretty well the 68 00:04:09,961 --> 00:04:10,521 Speaker 3: way it was. 69 00:04:11,281 --> 00:04:12,041 Speaker 4: There was a lot of. 70 00:04:13,281 --> 00:04:15,801 Speaker 3: I guess now I know a lot of tension in 71 00:04:15,801 --> 00:04:21,161 Speaker 3: the home between my parents back then. They just yeah, 72 00:04:21,241 --> 00:04:25,281 Speaker 3: there was something much deeper than I ever knew. That 73 00:04:26,601 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: wasn't good. My father was very very aggressive, quite violent 74 00:04:30,481 --> 00:04:34,361 Speaker 3: towards my mum and me back then because I was 75 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:37,001 Speaker 3: the oldest and I was always sort of jumping in 76 00:04:37,001 --> 00:04:40,841 Speaker 3: in front of my mom, and yeah, I copped the 77 00:04:41,201 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: brun of it, so to speak. I was also too 78 00:04:45,361 --> 00:04:52,201 Speaker 3: being sexually abused by three perpetrators, one that lived at 79 00:04:52,201 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: the bottom of the coulder sack and two that lived 80 00:04:55,561 --> 00:05:00,241 Speaker 3: over the back fence. And that went on for probably 81 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,281 Speaker 3: the age of six right through till about eight and 82 00:05:03,281 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: a half. And it was the worst, the worst part 83 00:05:12,161 --> 00:05:17,201 Speaker 3: of my life that I can remember growing up, basically 84 00:05:17,241 --> 00:05:21,401 Speaker 3: being forced to give oral sex and you know, masturbate 85 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:27,801 Speaker 3: and just sick, sick, fucking shit that kids should never 86 00:05:27,841 --> 00:05:31,241 Speaker 3: ever have to go through. And you knew these people. 87 00:05:31,681 --> 00:05:34,881 Speaker 3: I knew them. They knew me that my father drank 88 00:05:34,921 --> 00:05:42,241 Speaker 3: with their uncle. You know. I remember one time they 89 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,561 Speaker 3: used to hide up the bush and I had to 90 00:05:44,601 --> 00:05:48,041 Speaker 3: go through a bush which back then was like a 91 00:05:48,041 --> 00:05:50,401 Speaker 3: creek bed to go to football training because I played 92 00:05:50,481 --> 00:05:53,161 Speaker 3: rugby league and I was right right until I was 93 00:05:53,161 --> 00:05:55,601 Speaker 3: an adult. I was a really good rugby league player 94 00:05:56,801 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: that had the opportunity to play in the RL, and 95 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:04,681 Speaker 3: my stability and mental ability didn't allow me to play. 96 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:07,481 Speaker 3: That I had talent, but I had other things going 97 00:06:07,521 --> 00:06:09,001 Speaker 3: on in my life with no support. 98 00:06:09,681 --> 00:06:14,801 Speaker 4: And going back to that period of my. 99 00:06:14,721 --> 00:06:16,721 Speaker 3: Life when I was a child, I would go to 100 00:06:16,761 --> 00:06:20,841 Speaker 3: football training, leave home and go around the back up 101 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,561 Speaker 3: through a bush. And these perpetrators knew that that would 102 00:06:24,561 --> 00:06:27,361 Speaker 3: be the way I would go. They knew that, I know, 103 00:06:27,361 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: they knew they were a lot older. They knew that 104 00:06:29,561 --> 00:06:33,161 Speaker 3: there wasn't things good at home, and I got sick 105 00:06:33,201 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: of it, and they used to threaten me and get 106 00:06:35,801 --> 00:06:40,561 Speaker 3: physical with me and force me to do things that 107 00:06:40,681 --> 00:06:43,961 Speaker 3: I basically couldn't escape from doing. It was just they were, 108 00:06:44,081 --> 00:06:48,041 Speaker 3: you know, they were ten years older than me. So 109 00:06:48,081 --> 00:06:51,561 Speaker 3: these kids were seven oh fuck yeah, yeah, absolutely fully 110 00:06:51,601 --> 00:06:58,761 Speaker 3: grown men. Yep, two brothers. And I remember coming back 111 00:06:58,761 --> 00:07:02,121 Speaker 3: one day and I remember threatening to go and to 112 00:07:02,201 --> 00:07:04,761 Speaker 3: tell on them, and my father was out on the 113 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:07,041 Speaker 3: room and he had been drinking and he was with 114 00:07:07,161 --> 00:07:11,801 Speaker 3: their uncle and they had a sister, and they had 115 00:07:11,841 --> 00:07:14,001 Speaker 3: said that they'd bolted back and beat me to the 116 00:07:14,041 --> 00:07:16,081 Speaker 3: house and said that they'd caught me and their sister, 117 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:18,801 Speaker 3: whom was I think probably about two years younger than me, 118 00:07:19,521 --> 00:07:21,641 Speaker 3: so what was like six seven, so she was, you 119 00:07:21,641 --> 00:07:24,881 Speaker 3: know five for something like that that we were seeing 120 00:07:24,921 --> 00:07:28,161 Speaker 3: in the bush playing doctors and nurses basically, you know, 121 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:29,361 Speaker 3: inappropriate stuff. 122 00:07:29,881 --> 00:07:31,161 Speaker 4: And it was an absolute lie. 123 00:07:31,601 --> 00:07:35,961 Speaker 3: It was purely made up to make me look like 124 00:07:36,001 --> 00:07:38,441 Speaker 3: a liar that was coming back and they were the 125 00:07:39,041 --> 00:07:41,761 Speaker 3: you know that the Royal fucking Battalion coming in and going, 126 00:07:41,761 --> 00:07:46,201 Speaker 3: oh han, we just caught him. You know, that moment 127 00:07:46,321 --> 00:07:49,561 Speaker 3: is embedded in my life because I was a young 128 00:07:49,601 --> 00:07:52,081 Speaker 3: boy in tears, screaming out for help and I just 129 00:07:52,121 --> 00:07:54,361 Speaker 3: remember getting the biggest fucking back end of my life 130 00:07:54,361 --> 00:07:56,441 Speaker 3: that lifted me clean off of fucking four foot Verrenda 131 00:07:57,561 --> 00:08:06,761 Speaker 3: flat onto a driveway, and at that moment, I I 132 00:08:06,841 --> 00:08:11,121 Speaker 3: just wanted to really fucking kill people. I hated the world. 133 00:08:11,121 --> 00:08:16,401 Speaker 3: I hated everybody. I had to deal with it because 134 00:08:16,921 --> 00:08:20,001 Speaker 3: there was the separation of my parents. My mother didn't 135 00:08:20,001 --> 00:08:21,601 Speaker 3: want anything to do with me because I reminded her 136 00:08:21,641 --> 00:08:24,761 Speaker 3: too much of my father. My father didn't want the 137 00:08:24,761 --> 00:08:28,201 Speaker 3: responsibility at that stage of taking me on, so he 138 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:33,361 Speaker 3: was very angry. And at that stage too, I was 139 00:08:33,361 --> 00:08:36,081 Speaker 3: being abused at a primary school that I went to 140 00:08:36,321 --> 00:08:41,521 Speaker 3: by two Marris Brothers, and I won't go into too 141 00:08:41,601 --> 00:08:43,921 Speaker 3: much of that at moment because that's still proceeding through court. 142 00:08:44,041 --> 00:08:48,801 Speaker 3: So as you can imagine a young man basically being 143 00:08:48,921 --> 00:08:51,121 Speaker 3: raped and torn from every fucking angle. 144 00:08:53,001 --> 00:08:57,961 Speaker 4: With yeah, no support, nowhere to go, it was pretty tough. 145 00:09:01,721 --> 00:09:05,881 Speaker 2: I remember watching you and Russell Mans to talk, and 146 00:09:05,961 --> 00:09:10,881 Speaker 2: Russ has been a big supporter of you in particular 147 00:09:10,921 --> 00:09:14,241 Speaker 2: around this area, and I remember you saying to him 148 00:09:14,561 --> 00:09:16,641 Speaker 2: in the chat that you could see the pain in 149 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:19,441 Speaker 2: his eyes when he told you that story. I can 150 00:09:19,481 --> 00:09:21,121 Speaker 2: see the same pain in your eyes right now. 151 00:09:21,121 --> 00:09:31,321 Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, It's it's never easy. And I mean, look, yes, 152 00:09:31,441 --> 00:09:36,961 Speaker 3: it's public knowledge that I've done interviews with my past 153 00:09:37,001 --> 00:09:39,601 Speaker 3: and my present, and the things have been spoken about. 154 00:09:39,601 --> 00:09:43,001 Speaker 3: But as I said in the beginning, you only I 155 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:46,601 Speaker 3: guess touch on things when you're being interviewed by media 156 00:09:46,641 --> 00:09:51,201 Speaker 3: and stuff. This is my story, this is my podcast, 157 00:09:51,281 --> 00:09:53,481 Speaker 3: and I feel that if I'm going to do this, 158 00:09:53,881 --> 00:09:58,881 Speaker 3: I need to yeah, deliver it in the most honest, 159 00:09:59,921 --> 00:10:03,481 Speaker 3: honest way that I can. So that was that was 160 00:10:03,521 --> 00:10:11,161 Speaker 3: the start of my my life. And yeah, my rebellious, 161 00:10:11,401 --> 00:10:18,001 Speaker 3: my drug taking, my alcoholism, my crime, it all just 162 00:10:18,001 --> 00:10:18,921 Speaker 3: just kicked off from there. 163 00:10:20,481 --> 00:10:24,281 Speaker 2: Those two young men that did those horrible things, did 164 00:10:24,281 --> 00:10:27,001 Speaker 2: they ever face any retribution? 165 00:10:27,681 --> 00:10:31,041 Speaker 3: And look, as I said, you know, I was a 166 00:10:31,041 --> 00:10:34,201 Speaker 3: young boy trying to voice my opinion. I mean, I 167 00:10:34,281 --> 00:10:36,441 Speaker 3: was being molested at school. I made that aware, and 168 00:10:36,521 --> 00:10:39,321 Speaker 3: I got the cane, and I remember getting the cane 169 00:10:39,321 --> 00:10:42,001 Speaker 3: from the principal and I come off the back of 170 00:10:42,361 --> 00:10:45,641 Speaker 3: me apparently saying to a girl that she was frigid. 171 00:10:46,641 --> 00:10:50,961 Speaker 3: Now I don't recall ever saying it, nine ten years 172 00:10:50,961 --> 00:10:52,961 Speaker 3: of age to a girl that was supposed to be 173 00:10:53,001 --> 00:10:56,281 Speaker 3: my girlfriend, she was frigid, But anyway, that's what was said. 174 00:10:57,401 --> 00:11:00,281 Speaker 3: I had spoken to this particular principal, who was a 175 00:11:00,321 --> 00:11:01,361 Speaker 3: Maris brother at the time. 176 00:11:01,401 --> 00:11:02,361 Speaker 4: I'd also told. 177 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:05,721 Speaker 3: Him what was happening, and I was flogged. My old 178 00:11:05,761 --> 00:11:10,641 Speaker 3: man flogged me. No one gave a fuck. Nobody back then, 179 00:11:11,281 --> 00:11:13,361 Speaker 3: no one wanted to know about it. And you know, 180 00:11:13,441 --> 00:11:17,361 Speaker 3: I was a troublesome child from a troublesome home. You 181 00:11:17,401 --> 00:11:19,481 Speaker 3: know who's going to believe a kid screaming out for help. 182 00:11:19,481 --> 00:11:28,321 Speaker 3: It's attention, isn't it. So Uh, it was a very 183 00:11:28,321 --> 00:11:32,721 Speaker 3: tough cookie to swallow, especially needs to come those two perpetrators. 184 00:11:32,761 --> 00:11:36,681 Speaker 3: There was three there was another another bloke and I'll 185 00:11:36,721 --> 00:11:39,241 Speaker 3: fucking say his name. It was David and Peter Russell 186 00:11:39,281 --> 00:11:43,001 Speaker 3: were the two blokes behind me and Peter Mumray. And 187 00:11:44,241 --> 00:11:46,641 Speaker 3: his nickname was bum Jack Mummery. And that was for 188 00:11:46,681 --> 00:11:49,361 Speaker 3: the reason that he that's what he did. I wasn't 189 00:11:49,361 --> 00:11:56,521 Speaker 3: the only person that he attacked. Benjel. Now, Mate, I've 190 00:11:56,521 --> 00:11:59,761 Speaker 3: gotta be really honest with you and with everybody out there. 191 00:12:00,761 --> 00:12:03,361 Speaker 3: In all the years of jail that I've done, I 192 00:12:03,561 --> 00:12:06,361 Speaker 3: sat in every fucking year praying that one of those 193 00:12:06,401 --> 00:12:09,001 Speaker 3: dogs would walk through because I would ram a blade 194 00:12:09,001 --> 00:12:11,521 Speaker 3: through their fucking throats. And I'd be still sitting there today. 195 00:12:12,361 --> 00:12:14,041 Speaker 3: And I've got to say, and we'll get into this 196 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:16,881 Speaker 3: a little bit later, that I'm thankful to God because 197 00:12:16,881 --> 00:12:19,601 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have my four beautiful children, my beautiful wife. 198 00:12:19,761 --> 00:12:22,601 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here now having this wonderful moment to 199 00:12:22,641 --> 00:12:26,241 Speaker 3: share to hopefully help others. I wouldn't have achieved some 200 00:12:26,281 --> 00:12:29,641 Speaker 3: of the great things that I have achieved. I wouldn't 201 00:12:29,641 --> 00:12:32,441 Speaker 3: have been able to let go of feeling a victim. Yep. 202 00:12:33,081 --> 00:12:35,161 Speaker 3: I would have still been sitting in jail doing life 203 00:12:35,481 --> 00:12:38,961 Speaker 3: for you know, pedophiles that molested me, which I got 204 00:12:38,961 --> 00:12:42,121 Speaker 3: no problem, but it would have destroyed my life completely 205 00:12:42,161 --> 00:12:44,041 Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, they would have won. 206 00:12:45,281 --> 00:12:49,201 Speaker 2: At what point after that happened, your mum leaves your 207 00:12:49,281 --> 00:12:53,881 Speaker 2: dad is difficult? Do you decide that, fuck it, I'm 208 00:12:53,921 --> 00:12:55,801 Speaker 2: just gonna I'm just going to come on the street. 209 00:12:55,841 --> 00:12:57,601 Speaker 3: I'm just going to live on. Well, it sort of 210 00:12:57,641 --> 00:13:01,801 Speaker 3: didn't exactly happen like that. So I was dumped basically 211 00:13:01,801 --> 00:13:04,121 Speaker 3: out the front of a place where my father was living. 212 00:13:06,361 --> 00:13:08,001 Speaker 3: He wasn't there, and I was left in the gutter 213 00:13:09,241 --> 00:13:12,121 Speaker 3: to wait for him to get home, just with a bag, 214 00:13:14,201 --> 00:13:18,681 Speaker 3: and he sort of got home and was, you know, 215 00:13:18,921 --> 00:13:23,081 Speaker 3: he didn't know what to fucking do, but he took 216 00:13:23,081 --> 00:13:25,041 Speaker 3: me in. He knew that, you know, I was rebelling, 217 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:32,001 Speaker 3: I was trouble, and that my mother had left and 218 00:13:32,121 --> 00:13:34,161 Speaker 3: taken my siblings. And that was the last thing I'd 219 00:13:34,201 --> 00:13:37,481 Speaker 3: pretty much heard of them for many, many, many, many 220 00:13:37,601 --> 00:13:44,921 Speaker 3: many years. He ended up with a woman, and I 221 00:13:44,961 --> 00:13:47,441 Speaker 3: won't disclose her name for respect. I'm not I got 222 00:13:47,481 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 3: no fucking respect for her. She's a bitch, but I 223 00:13:51,201 --> 00:13:55,121 Speaker 3: just won't go into putting a name out there. She 224 00:13:56,561 --> 00:13:58,521 Speaker 3: didn't want me to live with her and her three children. 225 00:13:58,601 --> 00:14:01,281 Speaker 3: My father was moving in with them, and so long 226 00:14:01,281 --> 00:14:04,121 Speaker 3: and short of it all, I obviously ended up going 227 00:14:04,121 --> 00:14:07,681 Speaker 3: with the old boy for a while. He's drinking continued, 228 00:14:09,921 --> 00:14:15,081 Speaker 3: his aggression continued, continued to her, continued to me. She 229 00:14:15,081 --> 00:14:17,561 Speaker 3: didn't want me there. I mean, my nickname was Otto. 230 00:14:17,601 --> 00:14:20,001 Speaker 3: We'd sit at a fucking dinner table and I'd be 231 00:14:20,041 --> 00:14:22,601 Speaker 3: fed scraps and leftovers while her three kids were fed 232 00:14:22,641 --> 00:14:26,401 Speaker 3: a beautiful meal with vegetables or snitzele, and you know, 233 00:14:26,641 --> 00:14:29,081 Speaker 3: I'd literally they would call me Otto. So when the 234 00:14:29,081 --> 00:14:32,081 Speaker 3: auto bins first come out, the wheely bins, they were 235 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:34,641 Speaker 3: called auto bins. Well, my nickname was Otto because I 236 00:14:34,681 --> 00:14:37,801 Speaker 3: just got fed the shit, second class citizen, bucking scrap. 237 00:14:38,481 --> 00:14:44,841 Speaker 3: So here I am dealing with that as well. I 238 00:14:45,001 --> 00:14:50,361 Speaker 3: didn't want to be there. I became extremely aggressive, I 239 00:14:50,481 --> 00:14:57,641 Speaker 3: became started stealing. I you know, I just wanted to 240 00:14:57,681 --> 00:15:03,001 Speaker 3: rebel and I did not give a fuck at all, 241 00:15:03,801 --> 00:15:09,761 Speaker 3: had no emotional concern for anything or anyone. How old 242 00:15:09,761 --> 00:15:12,681 Speaker 3: are you at this stage? So I just turned eleven, 243 00:15:13,841 --> 00:15:18,081 Speaker 3: oh no, sorry ten turning eleven. So I remember coming 244 00:15:18,081 --> 00:15:20,161 Speaker 3: home one day from school and I hadn't done all 245 00:15:20,201 --> 00:15:23,281 Speaker 3: the chores in the house that I was allocated, and 246 00:15:23,321 --> 00:15:24,561 Speaker 3: I was being abused by this. 247 00:15:24,481 --> 00:15:26,041 Speaker 4: Woman and I told her to get fucked and I 248 00:15:26,041 --> 00:15:28,481 Speaker 4: solictened slut, fuck off. I've had enough. 249 00:15:29,161 --> 00:15:33,441 Speaker 3: So anyways, the old boys come home and she's basically 250 00:15:33,481 --> 00:15:35,441 Speaker 3: told him a corner a slart and that was it, mate, 251 00:15:35,441 --> 00:15:41,721 Speaker 3: he just fucking unleashed. I went to school the next 252 00:15:41,801 --> 00:15:45,081 Speaker 3: day black and blue, and they just went, mate, that's it. 253 00:15:45,721 --> 00:15:49,561 Speaker 3: We're putting into Family Community Services, which was facts back then. 254 00:15:50,081 --> 00:15:53,361 Speaker 3: That involved a lot because all of a sudden, you know, 255 00:15:53,481 --> 00:15:56,881 Speaker 3: I was a kid struggling at school, but then I 256 00:15:56,921 --> 00:16:00,361 Speaker 3: was a kid that had nothing, was taken out of 257 00:16:00,361 --> 00:16:03,801 Speaker 3: school and expected to go to school, but living with 258 00:16:03,841 --> 00:16:06,681 Speaker 3: a foreign family life like a tempor accommodation. I was 259 00:16:06,721 --> 00:16:11,161 Speaker 3: in written out of refuges, foster homes, and that went 260 00:16:11,201 --> 00:16:14,481 Speaker 3: on for just over a year, and I was just like, 261 00:16:14,601 --> 00:16:18,121 Speaker 3: fuck this. I left school at thirteen thirteen. Is that 262 00:16:19,321 --> 00:16:21,041 Speaker 3: I never went past year seven? Yeah. 263 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:26,361 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, everybody that I speak to about this podcast says 264 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:30,201 Speaker 2: the same thing. You'repe and even when we talk sometimes 265 00:16:30,241 --> 00:16:33,441 Speaker 2: I might send you a text that's misspelled, and you're 266 00:16:33,521 --> 00:16:40,241 Speaker 2: actually really particular about spelling education and actually you're an 267 00:16:40,241 --> 00:16:41,121 Speaker 2: intelligent man. 268 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:44,961 Speaker 3: But you left school at the age of thirteen. Yeah, 269 00:16:44,961 --> 00:16:48,841 Speaker 3: I did. When did you learn that the streets? I 270 00:16:48,921 --> 00:16:51,201 Speaker 3: you know, I often look back and I think to myself, 271 00:16:53,201 --> 00:16:53,921 Speaker 3: I'm grateful. 272 00:16:55,201 --> 00:16:57,481 Speaker 4: I am grateful. I don't have a trade. I don't 273 00:16:57,521 --> 00:16:58,081 Speaker 4: have any. 274 00:17:00,081 --> 00:17:03,481 Speaker 3: Qualifications as such that gives me the right to go 275 00:17:03,561 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 3: and work at a higher rate, a good earning capacity 276 00:17:08,441 --> 00:17:10,121 Speaker 3: for providing for my family. 277 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 4: I don't have any of that. 278 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I've got work, workplace skills, I've got talent 279 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,681 Speaker 3: that I've achieved at forty four. 280 00:17:17,001 --> 00:17:18,481 Speaker 4: It's taken me along fucking time. 281 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,761 Speaker 3: My career as a criminal didn't end till about oh 282 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:24,761 Speaker 3: ten years ago. 283 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:32,241 Speaker 4: So and you know that I'm thankful for that, But no, 284 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:32,961 Speaker 4: I didn't. 285 00:17:32,961 --> 00:17:35,281 Speaker 3: I just didn't have any I didn't have everything that 286 00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:39,281 Speaker 3: I needed that most people would need to succeed in life. 287 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,121 Speaker 2: So your schooled literally on the streets. 288 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I started hanging around with some people 289 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: that are probably going to listen to this podcast. Then 290 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: you guys know who you are. I'm not going to 291 00:17:50,761 --> 00:17:55,961 Speaker 3: name anyone once again, but we become a family. We 292 00:17:56,921 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: were fucking good at what we did. Everything we did 293 00:17:59,481 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: was wrong. We could drink, piss better than anybody else, 294 00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: snort better, lines of speed and fucking you know, like 295 00:18:06,681 --> 00:18:10,281 Speaker 3: fourteen mate, I was tripping, fucking eating balls, a hash. 296 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: I was, I was. I got a needle stuck in 297 00:18:13,481 --> 00:18:15,361 Speaker 3: my arm when I was fourteen, you know what I mean? 298 00:18:15,441 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: Like I was hanging out with heroin addicts and people 299 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: on speedback. There wasn't ices, it just didn't exist. But 300 00:18:20,561 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: heroin was a big thing, and you know Rowe's and 301 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: Cerrow's and all this sort of things. So all the 302 00:18:27,041 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 3: people are hanging around were you know, the older crims 303 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:32,121 Speaker 3: was sort of using the gear and the younger ones 304 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: were popping pills to get off their head. And I 305 00:18:34,481 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: I allowed twice to be injected, and it just was 306 00:18:39,561 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: something that scared the fuck out of me. I remember 307 00:18:43,201 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: being in a stolen car and a bloke who was 308 00:18:46,921 --> 00:18:49,761 Speaker 3: a grown man were out made a fair bit of 309 00:18:49,801 --> 00:18:53,281 Speaker 3: money and you know, I was sort of learning the 310 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: ropes and he was a big earner, but he was 311 00:18:55,921 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: a heroin addict. 312 00:18:57,281 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 4: I remember we went up to the christ to get 313 00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:01,041 Speaker 4: a shot. 314 00:19:00,561 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: And I was going to have a bag of coke 315 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,281 Speaker 3: and snorty, He's gonna have his shot a gear. Anyway, 316 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:13,401 Speaker 3: he said, Ah, don't worry about it. He goes, I'll 317 00:19:13,441 --> 00:19:15,881 Speaker 3: just get coke. So here he is, he's bought these 318 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 3: what they had was balloons back then. And he's sitting 319 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,521 Speaker 3: in one of the back lanes near the cross and 320 00:19:23,041 --> 00:19:26,041 Speaker 3: we're in a little Ford escort. I was a fucking 321 00:19:27,041 --> 00:19:29,201 Speaker 3: call it little escort, little fires feet to it all. 322 00:19:29,761 --> 00:19:31,841 Speaker 2: So this escort you're sitting in isn't yours? 323 00:19:31,961 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: Oh fuck no, no, no, never, we no, we didn't. 324 00:19:34,921 --> 00:19:37,521 Speaker 4: We didn't n never. 325 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:41,321 Speaker 3: And so anyway, we're sitting there and he's mixed up 326 00:19:42,201 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: in his spoon what he thought was coke, so he 327 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: put a lot more into the spoon than he would 328 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,521 Speaker 3: have if it was heroin. 329 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,001 Speaker 4: And I'll never forget him having a shot. 330 00:19:50,561 --> 00:19:52,761 Speaker 3: And I looked at him and I just watched his 331 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: eyes roll back and him go blue. And I had 332 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: to lift this one hundred and ten kilo fucking bloke 333 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,281 Speaker 3: out of the car in they can't get him to 334 00:20:01,281 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 3: some Vincent's hospital. He lived. I to this day don't 335 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,521 Speaker 3: know how I did it at that age, but that 336 00:20:09,721 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: was my welcoming to the real world of drugs, living 337 00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: on the streets and death. 338 00:20:16,001 --> 00:20:18,241 Speaker 2: It's just paint a picture that you're a fifteen year old, 339 00:20:18,561 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: fourteen year old doing coke, yes in the crosses, driving 340 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: a stolen car, watching someone od and then taking him 341 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: to hospital in a stolen car. 342 00:20:30,201 --> 00:20:32,281 Speaker 4: And dropping him out the front door and taking off. 343 00:20:34,761 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: That's how it was. 344 00:20:35,561 --> 00:20:36,801 Speaker 4: That's what it's just what it was. 345 00:20:37,201 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: Fourteen. Well, my choices were either get out of the 346 00:20:40,681 --> 00:20:42,801 Speaker 3: car and run and you know, my prints and everything 347 00:20:42,801 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: would have been all over and there's a dead body. 348 00:20:46,921 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: Or I tried to get him to safety and. 349 00:20:50,201 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: I made the guy was blue blue, and it was 350 00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:56,961 Speaker 3: just by sheer luck we weren't too far from the hospital. 351 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,521 Speaker 3: And yeah, well I know that he lived through that. 352 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: He's no longer alive today, but I know at that 353 00:21:04,241 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: stage he he did live. So yeah, it was very interesting. 354 00:21:08,281 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: Without naming names, the crew used to hang out with 355 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,801 Speaker 2: as a sort of fourteen fifteen year old where are 356 00:21:15,801 --> 00:21:16,121 Speaker 2: they now? 357 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:16,721 Speaker 3: What are they doing? 358 00:21:16,921 --> 00:21:18,481 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, there's a lot of good things. I mean, 359 00:21:18,961 --> 00:21:19,561 Speaker 4: I won't lie. 360 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,521 Speaker 3: There's a lot that are dead, died from suicide, high 361 00:21:23,521 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: speed chases, a lot of drug overdose, a lot. 362 00:21:26,521 --> 00:21:27,641 Speaker 4: Of heroin overdoses. 363 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: It just seemed to be the way that everybody was 364 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: heading back then. You know, if you're if you're on 365 00:21:33,481 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 3: the streets or you're making money, you were in crime. 366 00:21:36,281 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: It was the gear. I seen so much of it. 367 00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:43,801 Speaker 3: I sort of thank god that I had to experience 368 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: that at such a young age, because there were so 369 00:21:46,921 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: many times there where a fit was ready, you know, 370 00:21:49,721 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: like because you just sit down there. The older crew 371 00:21:51,441 --> 00:21:52,761 Speaker 3: would be like, can't have a shot. You know, have 372 00:21:52,801 --> 00:21:54,761 Speaker 3: a little shot. Its only ten lines or five lines. 373 00:21:55,321 --> 00:21:57,801 Speaker 4: You know, you'll. 374 00:21:56,721 --> 00:21:59,001 Speaker 3: Be right, you know what I mean. And I just 375 00:21:59,001 --> 00:22:00,561 Speaker 3: couldn't get the gift of why the fuck you'd want 376 00:22:00,561 --> 00:22:02,481 Speaker 3: to get stone and sit there fucking half asleep and 377 00:22:02,481 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 3: then't for your. 378 00:22:03,041 --> 00:22:03,841 Speaker 4: Guts up everywhere. 379 00:22:04,001 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: And I used to watch these people and I'd be 380 00:22:06,441 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: sitting there all fucking day or you know, all morning 381 00:22:09,201 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 3: with them, and they'd be like, yeah, we're gonna go 382 00:22:11,441 --> 00:22:15,041 Speaker 3: get an We're gonna get money, and I'll be like, 383 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:23,801 Speaker 3: wake up, cant yeah, And I just. 384 00:22:23,761 --> 00:22:24,721 Speaker 4: Couldn't work out. 385 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:28,401 Speaker 3: I started to question what the fuck was doing hanging 386 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,161 Speaker 3: around with some of these people, and that was one 387 00:22:32,281 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: thing that actually started to deter me. But then at 388 00:22:36,561 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: that age, I was trying to live, you know, so 389 00:22:41,761 --> 00:22:45,801 Speaker 3: we had a really cool core crew of us. There 390 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,681 Speaker 3: was a couple of a couple of girls that were 391 00:22:47,721 --> 00:22:51,801 Speaker 3: really staunch and hardcore, and a good crew of blokes 392 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,041 Speaker 3: which you know, we all end up becoming what they 393 00:22:54,041 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: were called a searchers and we made some big, big 394 00:22:57,521 --> 00:22:58,801 Speaker 3: fucking money at that age. 395 00:22:58,921 --> 00:23:03,321 Speaker 4: Search for example. 396 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,161 Speaker 3: Well, we we were the original crews that were running around, 397 00:23:07,241 --> 00:23:08,761 Speaker 3: you know, pulling up out in the front of banks 398 00:23:08,801 --> 00:23:10,801 Speaker 3: and running and jumping over the counters and cleaning out 399 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,561 Speaker 3: the drawers without weapons. You know, there was a crew 400 00:23:13,681 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: of banky boys and that's what we did. You know, 401 00:23:16,721 --> 00:23:18,761 Speaker 3: we were ram raiding judy free stores in the middle 402 00:23:18,761 --> 00:23:19,561 Speaker 3: of Sydney City. 403 00:23:19,761 --> 00:23:23,521 Speaker 1: Sydney's designer thieves had struck again at around two thirty 404 00:23:23,561 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: this morning. Robbers used a gold Honda Civic sedan to 405 00:23:26,441 --> 00:23:29,121 Speaker 1: smash through the doors of a Gucci store on Castle 406 00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:29,761 Speaker 1: Ray Street. 407 00:23:29,921 --> 00:23:33,041 Speaker 7: Once inside, three offenders gain access to a number of 408 00:23:33,041 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 7: designer clothing and handbags and left the star of motivehicle 409 00:23:38,041 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 7: there and made their escape using another motor vehicle. 410 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 4: Doing bank snatches. We were you know, I don't know 411 00:23:43,481 --> 00:23:45,201 Speaker 4: if you remember, but there used to be cat bags. 412 00:23:45,801 --> 00:23:46,041 Speaker 4: You know. 413 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: We'd sit off night safes and no, you know, businesses, 414 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: and back down everyone paid cash, you know, so you 415 00:23:52,481 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: knew on a Thursday it was it was fucking peale 416 00:23:55,441 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: and you're going to clean up because it wouldn't matter. 417 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,481 Speaker 3: You could go sit at a bank, or you could 418 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: follow someone from an industrial area and you'd know who'd 419 00:24:04,001 --> 00:24:07,001 Speaker 3: have the briefcase with the cash in it, and they're 420 00:24:07,041 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: paying staff, you know, like fucking thousands and thousands of 421 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,441 Speaker 3: dollars that are all working. The fact was, back then 422 00:24:12,481 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 3: it was just an envelope, brown paper bag and fucking 423 00:24:15,201 --> 00:24:17,801 Speaker 3: that was your slip and there's your five six hundred 424 00:24:17,801 --> 00:24:20,281 Speaker 3: bucks whatever it is. So multiply that plus all the 425 00:24:20,281 --> 00:24:22,521 Speaker 3: bill money and everything else. Have you got that fucking 426 00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:25,881 Speaker 3: cash bag or that cap bag? You were sweet and 427 00:24:25,961 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: that that's what happened, you know. So And I speak 428 00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:32,241 Speaker 3: of this because purely in fact that I was charged 429 00:24:32,241 --> 00:24:33,921 Speaker 3: for quite a number of them over the years. So 430 00:24:34,521 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: for anybody out there that's worried, I'm talking about me. 431 00:24:36,481 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about anybody else. And at the end 432 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,241 Speaker 3: of the day, that was that was they were big ERNs, 433 00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: and that's how that's how it started. What sort of 434 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: big earns? What are we talking about there, mate. We 435 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,041 Speaker 3: would talk anywhere between fucking five and eighty grand, depending 436 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: on what day and what we hear. And you're a 437 00:24:52,481 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: fifteen year old, Oh yeah, And we divvy it up 438 00:24:54,721 --> 00:24:57,801 Speaker 3: just between our crew, and like we literally would have 439 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: taxi drivers on tab that would sit in certain places 440 00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: and one of us should go and the other one 441 00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:06,681 Speaker 3: would say, one snatch and the other one. And I'm 442 00:25:06,681 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: not talking about handbags like ladies, and I'm talking fucking 443 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: serious shit. You know, one wanted chase, one had hit snatch. 444 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,041 Speaker 4: And the other one to be following one of the 445 00:25:17,041 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: cat bags off. 446 00:25:17,801 --> 00:25:19,521 Speaker 3: He's already gone. He's either up in the hotty or 447 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,241 Speaker 3: he's in the fucking taxi and he comes me. The 448 00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: big fucking count chudges through from behind, just taking people out. 449 00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:28,761 Speaker 3: And anybody that came near me made that had the 450 00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:31,921 Speaker 3: fucking bag. I had to use my size. I wasn't 451 00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:34,041 Speaker 3: the quickest, but fuck me dead. You weren't going to 452 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: get near. 453 00:25:34,481 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 4: Me, buddy. 454 00:25:36,761 --> 00:25:39,001 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not glorifying it either. Same 455 00:25:39,041 --> 00:25:42,041 Speaker 3: please for anybody out there, I'm just making light of it. 456 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: It really is. 457 00:25:42,801 --> 00:25:45,441 Speaker 4: It's you know, it's something that I look back on now. 458 00:25:45,481 --> 00:25:48,281 Speaker 3: And it needs to be put into context and we're 459 00:25:48,321 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: here to tell a story. 460 00:25:49,241 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: So Kilik said the same, He said, this is not 461 00:25:51,521 --> 00:25:52,801 Speaker 2: about glorifying nah. 462 00:25:53,441 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: And if you're going to listen to this podcast and 463 00:25:55,281 --> 00:25:58,321 Speaker 3: you want to hear this story, there is something through 464 00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:59,961 Speaker 3: this story at the end of it that I hope 465 00:25:59,961 --> 00:26:02,881 Speaker 3: blows your minds to pieces of story of redemption. 466 00:26:03,041 --> 00:26:04,921 Speaker 4: Because I want to give. 467 00:26:04,721 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: Every the cold hard facts of what a fucking violent 468 00:26:08,481 --> 00:26:13,281 Speaker 3: little prick I want later becoming a very violent gang 469 00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:18,521 Speaker 3: member and quite a strong powerful person within circles of Australia. 470 00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:21,281 Speaker 2: You can't know the end until you know the beginning, 471 00:26:21,321 --> 00:26:22,321 Speaker 2: which is what we're doing right. 472 00:26:22,521 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: Great, this is my story. I own it and I'm 473 00:26:24,721 --> 00:26:25,721 Speaker 3: very proud of where I am. 474 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,441 Speaker 2: Today because of it. What does living on the street mean? 475 00:26:28,521 --> 00:26:32,561 Speaker 3: Brad and I had nowhere to stay. I'd break into halls. 476 00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:35,281 Speaker 3: I lied to a lot of people, see, because there 477 00:26:35,281 --> 00:26:38,041 Speaker 3: were still people that I was knocking around with. There 478 00:26:38,041 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: were streaty style of kids. But always had somewhere to 479 00:26:41,001 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: go home to, like a nan or an auntie or 480 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 3: a cousin or a mate's mum. 481 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: I had no one, I had nothing. 482 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: I had a football oval that I slept in for 483 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,521 Speaker 3: six months in a sleeping bag, sorry cricket oval, and 484 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,761 Speaker 3: this particular cricket oval well was quite had a big 485 00:26:59,761 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: bush on the back of it, and it was quite 486 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 3: quite black at night. And I knew that if I 487 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: slept in the middle of the cricket pitch in a 488 00:27:06,441 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: sleeping bag, there was very little chance anyone was going 489 00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: to walk through the middle of that oval in the 490 00:27:11,241 --> 00:27:15,561 Speaker 3: pitch black and try and attack me. And this particular 491 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: place I'd go and play football that still, so I 492 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,281 Speaker 3: was still trying to maintain some sort of normality by 493 00:27:22,321 --> 00:27:25,121 Speaker 3: turning up to football, you know, going to training. I'd 494 00:27:25,201 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: go to training and fuck rattles me even saying it. 495 00:27:28,961 --> 00:27:30,801 Speaker 3: But I'd go to training and put on in front 496 00:27:30,801 --> 00:27:32,721 Speaker 3: of all these parents and these kids that nothing was 497 00:27:32,721 --> 00:27:35,681 Speaker 3: wrong and nobody knew I was doing because I could 498 00:27:35,761 --> 00:27:37,921 Speaker 3: play football, and I was praying that it was my out, 499 00:27:38,041 --> 00:27:40,801 Speaker 3: you know, And then everyone had go and I'd pretend 500 00:27:40,801 --> 00:27:42,281 Speaker 3: to hide, and then I'd come back and go and 501 00:27:42,321 --> 00:27:44,401 Speaker 3: sit in the change room, break into the changing room 502 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,761 Speaker 3: and sleep in the change room or the public toilets 503 00:27:46,761 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: there because I had a padlock, and I'd try and 504 00:27:49,761 --> 00:27:52,001 Speaker 3: all to that or I'd go to the community hall. 505 00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: And in the community hall, up on the top of 506 00:27:53,681 --> 00:27:57,001 Speaker 3: the walls had these the old burners sort of heaters 507 00:27:57,041 --> 00:27:58,681 Speaker 3: and used to be able to pull the long cords. 508 00:27:58,681 --> 00:28:02,161 Speaker 3: And they had this blue phone back there in the day, 509 00:28:02,201 --> 00:28:05,041 Speaker 3: and in the blue phone was coins and used to 510 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,521 Speaker 3: be able to grab underneath the blue phones and put 511 00:28:07,521 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: pressure on it and rip it. If you didn't have 512 00:28:09,721 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: a screwdriver or something, you'd pop it a and there 513 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,801 Speaker 3: was a cash box in there, and nine times out 514 00:28:13,801 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: of ten you'd get ten bucks out of it or 515 00:28:15,481 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 3: five bucks out of it, which was like fucking beautiful. 516 00:28:18,001 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 3: I got a feed and this you gotta remember, this 517 00:28:19,921 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: is this is all before I started making big money, 518 00:28:23,041 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: big earning. 519 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 7: Ye. 520 00:28:24,961 --> 00:28:28,001 Speaker 3: Campbelltown police hated me. They knew me. 521 00:28:29,201 --> 00:28:29,801 Speaker 4: I must say. 522 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 3: One of the boys that I played football with, his 523 00:28:31,561 --> 00:28:34,521 Speaker 3: old boy was the sergeant down there, and he was 524 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: very fair to me. He knew who my dad was, 525 00:28:38,561 --> 00:28:42,681 Speaker 3: he knew that I had problems at home, and he 526 00:28:42,761 --> 00:28:48,041 Speaker 3: never tried to fuck me over. The detectives of Campbelltown 527 00:28:48,241 --> 00:28:52,041 Speaker 3: hated me, fucking mate. I got flogged so many times. 528 00:28:52,241 --> 00:28:55,001 Speaker 3: It was just ridiculous what they got away with. I 529 00:28:55,041 --> 00:28:57,041 Speaker 3: remember getting caught in a stolen car one night in 530 00:28:57,081 --> 00:28:59,321 Speaker 3: the same car parked I played football in and training. 531 00:28:59,561 --> 00:29:03,801 Speaker 3: I left football training and I went and I went 532 00:29:03,841 --> 00:29:05,801 Speaker 3: to a mate's house, had a shower, and I pretended 533 00:29:05,801 --> 00:29:07,361 Speaker 3: that I was gonna hang on my merry way, and 534 00:29:07,401 --> 00:29:09,041 Speaker 3: I went and stole the car. There was a Ford 535 00:29:09,201 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: XD and used to be able to just pop in 536 00:29:11,481 --> 00:29:13,801 Speaker 3: on them because I had these long door locks that 537 00:29:13,961 --> 00:29:15,961 Speaker 3: pop up with a knob on it, and you could 538 00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:17,921 Speaker 3: put the scissors in or a flathead screw drive and 539 00:29:17,961 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: just give a little nudge and you just wait for 540 00:29:19,521 --> 00:29:21,521 Speaker 3: it and grab the doorhand. Let's me actually pop up, 541 00:29:21,921 --> 00:29:23,921 Speaker 3: grab the nile file and just fucking because I had 542 00:29:23,921 --> 00:29:27,121 Speaker 3: like a paddle popstick sort of ignition like the old kingswood, 543 00:29:27,201 --> 00:29:28,881 Speaker 3: not with the lips, but except there was no lip, 544 00:29:29,281 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: so you just give it a little jig on next 545 00:29:30,521 --> 00:29:34,041 Speaker 3: mink you got the reds, You're off, So I'm thinking, sweet, 546 00:29:34,721 --> 00:29:36,041 Speaker 3: I've got somewhere to sleep tonight. 547 00:29:36,801 --> 00:29:38,481 Speaker 4: It didn't last long, but because the car. 548 00:29:38,441 --> 00:29:40,521 Speaker 3: Got reported to comments we're looking for it, and I 549 00:29:40,561 --> 00:29:42,321 Speaker 3: got the fuck kicked out of me and dragged out 550 00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:46,201 Speaker 3: of a car, freezing me nuts off and taken down 551 00:29:46,201 --> 00:29:49,921 Speaker 3: to the cells at Campbelltown, where that particular sergeant started 552 00:29:49,961 --> 00:29:51,721 Speaker 3: to really sort of take a bit of an interest 553 00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:52,761 Speaker 3: in why I kept turning up. 554 00:29:53,961 --> 00:29:58,361 Speaker 4: And you know, he he couldn't do much. 555 00:29:58,361 --> 00:30:01,121 Speaker 3: The look, let's be honest, there's nothing he can do, 556 00:30:01,161 --> 00:30:02,561 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. All he can do is 557 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:07,001 Speaker 3: try and suggest the other channels out there, you know, 558 00:30:07,361 --> 00:30:12,841 Speaker 3: through family community services or from there. It all just 559 00:30:12,881 --> 00:30:16,401 Speaker 3: went from zero to one hundred real quick. I started 560 00:30:16,401 --> 00:30:20,241 Speaker 3: getting extremely violent. I was angry, was drinking a lot, 561 00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:23,521 Speaker 3: taking a lot of speed, and I was making a 562 00:30:23,521 --> 00:30:26,761 Speaker 3: lot of money. You know. So here we are, we're 563 00:30:26,761 --> 00:30:29,561 Speaker 3: buying designer closed, designer shoes. And this is before these 564 00:30:30,001 --> 00:30:33,601 Speaker 3: young sa blokes funck. I can remember wearing the first 565 00:30:33,601 --> 00:30:35,561 Speaker 3: pair of Nike here one eighties and hahrachis. You know, 566 00:30:35,641 --> 00:30:37,401 Speaker 3: no one even knew what fucking Nikes were. We had 567 00:30:37,401 --> 00:30:42,161 Speaker 3: air structures, Nike Airmaxes, whatever we had them. We kicked 568 00:30:42,161 --> 00:30:43,401 Speaker 3: it off, you know what I mean. That was how 569 00:30:43,441 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: we walked around, you know, to be covered in country 570 00:30:45,561 --> 00:30:49,281 Speaker 3: road or lacoste or surgery, a Juccini. Whatever. It took 571 00:30:49,881 --> 00:30:52,041 Speaker 3: for no one to realize that I was a homeless kid, 572 00:30:52,201 --> 00:30:54,121 Speaker 3: you know, what I mean. And even now, my haircut 573 00:30:54,161 --> 00:30:56,281 Speaker 3: every two weeks, it's just habitual. I just do it. 574 00:30:56,801 --> 00:30:59,441 Speaker 3: That's the same fucking haircut I've had some times that young. 575 00:31:00,721 --> 00:31:03,841 Speaker 3: It's it's just what it is. It become a way 576 00:31:03,881 --> 00:31:08,961 Speaker 3: of life. And for me, I you know, I got 577 00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:11,321 Speaker 3: jumped quite a few times because you know a lot 578 00:31:11,361 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: of times zero was won out Fucking John Hoppawati, You're 579 00:31:15,321 --> 00:31:19,201 Speaker 3: a cocksucker. He robbed me from the shoes. Fucking rob 580 00:31:19,281 --> 00:31:21,081 Speaker 3: me for a pair of shoes on the train because 581 00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:23,241 Speaker 3: I was sitting there by myself between Kembelltown and Minnow 582 00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: Station when I was a kid, and him and his 583 00:31:25,281 --> 00:31:28,241 Speaker 3: homeboys weakest piss and. 584 00:31:28,801 --> 00:31:30,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he wasn't in your crew. 585 00:31:30,761 --> 00:31:32,681 Speaker 3: He was just he was just one of one of 586 00:31:32,921 --> 00:31:35,201 Speaker 3: the Claymoar boys and they were going around rolling people 587 00:31:35,201 --> 00:31:37,521 Speaker 3: for their shoes. Like I was a kid that was 588 00:31:37,561 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: making earns, you know what I mean. Always looked at 589 00:31:39,761 --> 00:31:43,761 Speaker 3: million dollars but wasn't worth shit, had no backup, no support. 590 00:31:44,241 --> 00:31:46,801 Speaker 3: So anyway, moving right along from that, I'm not going 591 00:31:46,881 --> 00:31:49,641 Speaker 3: to give him any more credit. But at the end 592 00:31:49,681 --> 00:31:53,121 Speaker 3: of the day, it was what it was, you know. 593 00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:57,121 Speaker 3: So I got sick of that, and I started to 594 00:31:58,321 --> 00:32:01,401 Speaker 3: arm myself. I started to turn a point where I 595 00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:07,001 Speaker 3: became that person myself. I had knives, I was looking 596 00:32:07,001 --> 00:32:09,841 Speaker 3: for guns, so I was you carry around a glass 597 00:32:09,881 --> 00:32:12,521 Speaker 3: coat bottle, the old five hundred meal glass coat bottle, 598 00:32:12,561 --> 00:32:15,921 Speaker 3: and firstly hit smashing on the ground and slashing across 599 00:32:15,921 --> 00:32:16,721 Speaker 3: the throat or the face. 600 00:32:17,041 --> 00:32:19,081 Speaker 2: That was the first time we went to detention too. 601 00:32:20,001 --> 00:32:23,801 Speaker 3: One of yeah, one of tell us that story. Well, 602 00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:29,601 Speaker 3: I was in the city and I basically robbed three 603 00:32:29,641 --> 00:32:33,561 Speaker 3: people and took them to a ATM machine at Darling 604 00:32:33,601 --> 00:32:36,561 Speaker 3: Harbor when Darling Harbor was all new and fresh and 605 00:32:36,641 --> 00:32:39,761 Speaker 3: cool to be hanging out at held them hostage while 606 00:32:40,081 --> 00:32:43,041 Speaker 3: I made each one of them take out the money, 607 00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:46,841 Speaker 3: and one didn't sort of want to take it out, 608 00:32:46,961 --> 00:32:53,001 Speaker 3: so then I became quite violent, and yeah, the rest. 609 00:32:52,881 --> 00:32:56,001 Speaker 2: Is history there, and you got caught. 610 00:32:56,121 --> 00:32:56,721 Speaker 3: I got caught. 611 00:32:57,801 --> 00:32:58,641 Speaker 4: So I got caught. 612 00:32:58,681 --> 00:33:00,521 Speaker 3: So I've done the bolt, and all of a sudden, 613 00:33:01,121 --> 00:33:04,401 Speaker 3: one and got away. The one that I went to stab, 614 00:33:05,041 --> 00:33:09,881 Speaker 3: and he got up to near the old entertainment center 615 00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:11,521 Speaker 3: in Sydney of the Chinatown. There used to be a 616 00:33:11,521 --> 00:33:16,361 Speaker 3: police big police station there, and it's not far from 617 00:33:16,441 --> 00:33:19,721 Speaker 3: Darling Harbor and all of a sudden they had coppers 618 00:33:19,761 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: and dog squads and it was full on. Anyway, I 619 00:33:23,321 --> 00:33:29,321 Speaker 3: was fourteen, turning fifteen, bang pinched and straight into Minda. 620 00:33:29,601 --> 00:33:32,241 Speaker 3: It was a Friday night and I was straight into 621 00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: Patterson House because I was charged the man money from 622 00:33:36,241 --> 00:33:40,841 Speaker 3: Manassa Sultan robbery and a few other backup charges. But 623 00:33:41,441 --> 00:33:44,881 Speaker 3: it was enough to make me a violent offender. So 624 00:33:46,041 --> 00:33:50,081 Speaker 3: back in Pattison House back then was some heavy, heavy 625 00:33:50,121 --> 00:33:53,041 Speaker 3: young offenders that were on the verge of going to 626 00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:57,881 Speaker 3: jail or you know, had just been convicted. Like a 627 00:33:57,881 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: particular Asian gangster who I became very good friends with 628 00:34:01,241 --> 00:34:04,681 Speaker 3: who's no longer here, was shot. You know, he was 629 00:34:04,721 --> 00:34:08,921 Speaker 3: in there for a murder. And apparently these witnesses ended 630 00:34:08,961 --> 00:34:10,121 Speaker 3: up going missing as well. 631 00:34:10,201 --> 00:34:12,841 Speaker 4: And so there weren't there weren't there weren't marks, you 632 00:34:12,841 --> 00:34:13,281 Speaker 4: know what I mean. 633 00:34:13,281 --> 00:34:15,681 Speaker 3: These were powerful young people that had a lot of 634 00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:17,761 Speaker 3: pull on the street. And I was like fucking and 635 00:34:17,841 --> 00:34:20,521 Speaker 3: nobody and I'd just come in and I'm like my 636 00:34:20,601 --> 00:34:23,081 Speaker 3: ass is clenching. I remember having a pair of nightcare 637 00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:26,361 Speaker 3: Jordan's on and they were white and red. They were 638 00:34:27,161 --> 00:34:30,081 Speaker 3: they were red inside the tongue and they were white 639 00:34:30,161 --> 00:34:31,961 Speaker 3: with a red sort of fucking thing around. 640 00:34:31,681 --> 00:34:34,121 Speaker 4: The laces, and they were you know, the ancorns. 641 00:34:34,801 --> 00:34:39,401 Speaker 3: So I thought I was cool. It was Saturday morning. 642 00:34:39,441 --> 00:34:41,841 Speaker 3: I woke up at the time i'd finally got in there. 643 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:44,681 Speaker 3: It was very early in the morning, and they opened 644 00:34:44,681 --> 00:34:47,041 Speaker 3: the door for breaking and never forget it. 645 00:34:47,521 --> 00:34:51,081 Speaker 4: Roomers in the heart, you know, that's U light delight, right, So. 646 00:34:54,681 --> 00:34:58,361 Speaker 3: Everybody's watching rage in those in those sort of boys' homes, 647 00:34:58,561 --> 00:35:01,241 Speaker 3: and back then, everybody came out and sat in an 648 00:35:01,281 --> 00:35:07,041 Speaker 3: area and everybody watched Channel two. And I always had 649 00:35:07,041 --> 00:35:10,001 Speaker 3: all the cool songs. The first fucking song I heard 650 00:35:11,641 --> 00:35:17,601 Speaker 3: the hard I'm just sitting back. What the fuck? I 651 00:35:17,841 --> 00:35:21,441 Speaker 3: just I had no idea, you know, I'd only just 652 00:35:21,481 --> 00:35:24,401 Speaker 3: started to understand the streets now. I had no idea 653 00:35:24,681 --> 00:35:27,161 Speaker 3: now how serious shit was going to get. 654 00:35:27,441 --> 00:35:29,321 Speaker 2: And did you think you were hard back then? 655 00:35:30,281 --> 00:35:31,721 Speaker 3: I don't think I was hard. I just thought I 656 00:35:31,721 --> 00:35:34,161 Speaker 3: could hold myself, and I thought that I was, you know, 657 00:35:34,281 --> 00:35:36,041 Speaker 3: I was. I was solid in what I did. I 658 00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:38,801 Speaker 3: you know, like I said, I got jumped. I'd fucking 659 00:35:38,801 --> 00:35:41,041 Speaker 3: caught my floggings. You know, I'd been stabbed and been 660 00:35:41,161 --> 00:35:44,201 Speaker 3: fucking robbed. I'd been you. I'd caught what most street 661 00:35:44,281 --> 00:35:49,041 Speaker 3: kids caught before they start to you know, start to 662 00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: have enough and say fuck you and retaliate, and that's 663 00:35:52,041 --> 00:35:52,881 Speaker 3: just what you've got to do. 664 00:35:53,321 --> 00:35:55,321 Speaker 2: How long was that first stint intertention? 665 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:59,481 Speaker 3: So I did nine months for that, and the boys 666 00:35:59,481 --> 00:36:02,841 Speaker 3: in there, they were pretty good to me, and you know, 667 00:36:02,881 --> 00:36:04,121 Speaker 3: I got to know a lot of them, and to 668 00:36:04,201 --> 00:36:06,361 Speaker 3: this day there's a couple of them that are still 669 00:36:06,401 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: alive and the other most of them are all dead. Yeah, 670 00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:11,961 Speaker 3: it's sort of set set the bar for what the 671 00:36:12,001 --> 00:36:16,201 Speaker 3: future was going to hold, that's for sure. I ended 672 00:36:16,281 --> 00:36:20,681 Speaker 3: up getting out and I had nowhere to go, you know, 673 00:36:20,881 --> 00:36:22,241 Speaker 3: so straight back to what on you? 674 00:36:23,721 --> 00:36:25,201 Speaker 4: And Bang was. 675 00:36:25,201 --> 00:36:28,921 Speaker 3: On again fifteen sixteen, Yeah, yeah, and this is where, 676 00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:31,561 Speaker 3: you know, jumping bank counters started to become more prominent 677 00:36:31,641 --> 00:36:35,961 Speaker 3: RAM rating, you know, some really good, good. 678 00:36:35,841 --> 00:36:38,161 Speaker 4: Fucking iron grime shit, you know, like. 679 00:36:39,081 --> 00:36:43,361 Speaker 3: It was big. You know, we were like a mafia 680 00:36:43,441 --> 00:36:46,081 Speaker 3: on the street, if you will, like we're our own world. 681 00:36:46,841 --> 00:36:51,201 Speaker 3: And funny enough, we didn't give a fuck, and you know, 682 00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:52,961 Speaker 3: people say, oh, didn't you know, didn't you worry when 683 00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:54,721 Speaker 3: it's ducketing locked up? And I thought, you know what, 684 00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:58,161 Speaker 3: I actually didn't mind getting locked up as a young 685 00:36:58,201 --> 00:37:00,801 Speaker 3: bloke because what happened was you got to catch up 686 00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,521 Speaker 3: with all your mates in there, or the boys that 687 00:37:02,561 --> 00:37:06,441 Speaker 3: you would normally hang out with, and it was like 688 00:37:07,561 --> 00:37:09,641 Speaker 3: it was no big thing. You know, you were cool. 689 00:37:09,681 --> 00:37:12,681 Speaker 3: You were just catching up with the lads and making 690 00:37:12,681 --> 00:37:13,881 Speaker 3: plans on what we're going to do and we're going 691 00:37:13,921 --> 00:37:16,801 Speaker 3: to get out. So it actually helped the criminal. 692 00:37:17,481 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 4: Oh mate. 693 00:37:17,961 --> 00:37:23,241 Speaker 3: There was no rehabilitation, no rehabilitation, no none whatsoever. And 694 00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:27,041 Speaker 3: I to be honest with you don't know anybody from 695 00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:32,041 Speaker 3: the era that I went in that's not dead done 696 00:37:32,081 --> 00:37:36,921 Speaker 3: a lot of jail, gone through heavy addictions, and like. 697 00:37:38,201 --> 00:37:39,041 Speaker 4: It was pretty for long. 698 00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:41,121 Speaker 2: There's got to be some sort of rush that happens 699 00:37:41,121 --> 00:37:44,681 Speaker 2: when you're jumping a bank counter. 700 00:37:45,041 --> 00:37:46,161 Speaker 4: Believable, you know. 701 00:37:47,521 --> 00:37:51,361 Speaker 3: I mean I enjoyed driving. I wasn't the best thief. 702 00:37:51,401 --> 00:37:56,681 Speaker 3: I mean we I'll say we we drove one night 703 00:37:56,761 --> 00:38:00,521 Speaker 3: down from Sydney, and I won't disclose the actual place, 704 00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:04,241 Speaker 3: but there was many many hours down south of Sydney 705 00:38:05,081 --> 00:38:08,241 Speaker 3: and there was a particular place that had. 706 00:38:08,241 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 4: Very high end clothing, and you know that. 707 00:38:12,481 --> 00:38:13,041 Speaker 3: Was what we did. 708 00:38:13,121 --> 00:38:14,881 Speaker 4: We'd just go clean these places out. 709 00:38:15,361 --> 00:38:18,161 Speaker 3: And we did that, and we went down with a 710 00:38:18,161 --> 00:38:21,921 Speaker 3: couple of stolen cars, and anyway, we got up to 711 00:38:22,081 --> 00:38:25,681 Speaker 3: about halfway coming back in this little country town, and 712 00:38:25,961 --> 00:38:28,121 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, one of us got chased in 713 00:38:28,201 --> 00:38:31,401 Speaker 3: one of the hotties, so we had to have bought. Anyway, 714 00:38:31,401 --> 00:38:34,521 Speaker 3: we all end up basically splitting and we all end 715 00:38:34,601 --> 00:38:37,281 Speaker 3: up having to get out of those cars. So we 716 00:38:37,401 --> 00:38:39,201 Speaker 3: end up trying to get a couple of other cars, 717 00:38:39,241 --> 00:38:41,521 Speaker 3: and we got them, we got back to Sydney. Funny 718 00:38:41,561 --> 00:38:43,481 Speaker 3: funny story is, and I say funny because it was 719 00:38:43,521 --> 00:38:44,201 Speaker 3: funny back then. 720 00:38:44,361 --> 00:38:46,121 Speaker 4: One of the cars that we took was a screw 721 00:38:46,161 --> 00:38:47,081 Speaker 4: from Golden. 722 00:38:48,281 --> 00:38:51,921 Speaker 3: Now we didn't know it at the time, but it 723 00:38:51,961 --> 00:38:53,681 Speaker 3: turns out he was the owner of one of the 724 00:38:53,761 --> 00:38:55,801 Speaker 3: vehicles that we ended up taking to get back home. 725 00:38:57,001 --> 00:38:59,521 Speaker 3: So I'm sure that came back to us tenfolds over 726 00:38:59,561 --> 00:39:01,801 Speaker 3: the years. He would never have known. But that was 727 00:39:02,201 --> 00:39:04,721 Speaker 3: when we got arrested. We were told, so they've been 728 00:39:04,801 --> 00:39:08,401 Speaker 3: pound under these two vehicles in this in this police 729 00:39:08,801 --> 00:39:12,321 Speaker 3: holding yard, in this particular police holding yard. It was 730 00:39:12,401 --> 00:39:15,281 Speaker 3: just like a six seven foot cyclone barbed by a 731 00:39:15,321 --> 00:39:17,161 Speaker 3: fucking fed you know. Like back in the old days. 732 00:39:17,361 --> 00:39:19,801 Speaker 3: There was a fence with barbed wire, a few spotlights 733 00:39:19,801 --> 00:39:21,961 Speaker 3: because that's just what they did. They had you, you know, 734 00:39:22,001 --> 00:39:24,561 Speaker 3: you smash car style and cars just in this compound 735 00:39:24,601 --> 00:39:27,561 Speaker 3: area back of the old country cop shop. We went, fucked, 736 00:39:27,601 --> 00:39:29,601 Speaker 3: this are we going down to get everything that we 737 00:39:29,641 --> 00:39:32,001 Speaker 3: took because we knew within twenty four hours it was 738 00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:34,041 Speaker 3: still going to be there. There's no way they could 739 00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:36,841 Speaker 3: have it just wouldn't have happened that way. So we 740 00:39:36,921 --> 00:39:39,361 Speaker 3: end up getting a nine to eight s s two 741 00:39:40,721 --> 00:39:44,641 Speaker 3: a push and I don't know many of yous that 742 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:47,801 Speaker 3: know about it, but they don't go over a certain 743 00:39:47,841 --> 00:39:53,361 Speaker 3: speed unless they sink and become like aerodynamic. So we 744 00:39:53,401 --> 00:39:56,081 Speaker 3: went from coming from Mumpney Bankstown and up that way 745 00:39:56,401 --> 00:39:59,361 Speaker 3: in the city, we end up coming down south again, 746 00:40:00,041 --> 00:40:04,681 Speaker 3: hours and hours downs and ours. And this particular driver 747 00:40:04,881 --> 00:40:08,121 Speaker 3: was a very good driver, older guy, but he was 748 00:40:08,121 --> 00:40:11,321 Speaker 3: a heroin atic. So it was kind of sketchy because 749 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:15,761 Speaker 3: he was stone but functional but on the other hand, 750 00:40:16,601 --> 00:40:17,161 Speaker 3: could drive. 751 00:40:17,321 --> 00:40:19,121 Speaker 4: But if he went on the nod. 752 00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:22,281 Speaker 3: You're fuck drive a really high power change. Yeah, and 753 00:40:22,321 --> 00:40:24,121 Speaker 3: I'm in the back, so I'm only a young bloke, 754 00:40:24,481 --> 00:40:27,561 Speaker 3: you know, And I'm probably the youngest out of us. 755 00:40:28,681 --> 00:40:31,201 Speaker 3: It's like a wing that comes out and the moment 756 00:40:31,241 --> 00:40:33,281 Speaker 3: it happens, the front end sinks and it goes from 757 00:40:33,321 --> 00:40:35,761 Speaker 3: like one hundred and thirty to fucking two hundred and 758 00:40:35,841 --> 00:40:38,921 Speaker 3: forty like that. And that's the speed we sat on 759 00:40:39,001 --> 00:40:41,161 Speaker 3: all the way fucking down, got all this shit and 760 00:40:41,161 --> 00:40:46,521 Speaker 3: got it all the way back and just to here. 761 00:40:47,161 --> 00:40:49,601 Speaker 3: But that was that was that was a pretty pretty 762 00:40:49,601 --> 00:40:50,921 Speaker 3: full on sort of situation. 763 00:40:51,081 --> 00:40:53,201 Speaker 4: And we got pinch for that one. So that's all. 764 00:40:53,521 --> 00:40:55,441 Speaker 3: You're right, what do you reckon? 765 00:40:56,841 --> 00:40:59,161 Speaker 2: Your motivation was to do bad things? 766 00:41:01,401 --> 00:41:02,481 Speaker 4: I don't think it was motivation. 767 00:41:02,601 --> 00:41:05,881 Speaker 3: I just think I became numb, numb to emotion, numb 768 00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:10,681 Speaker 3: to feeling, numb to love, numb to being loved. I 769 00:41:10,881 --> 00:41:14,681 Speaker 3: just I just I was just had been torn from 770 00:41:15,281 --> 00:41:16,681 Speaker 3: one part of my body of the other, you know, 771 00:41:16,721 --> 00:41:21,601 Speaker 3: like I had nothing to give, and I basically just 772 00:41:21,641 --> 00:41:25,641 Speaker 3: adapted that everybody was out to hurt me. My whole 773 00:41:25,641 --> 00:41:29,121 Speaker 3: attitude was this, no one ever again would fucking hurt 774 00:41:29,161 --> 00:41:32,041 Speaker 3: me the way that I had been hurt growing up. 775 00:41:32,081 --> 00:41:35,641 Speaker 3: I just that was, I swore to myself, I don't 776 00:41:35,681 --> 00:41:37,601 Speaker 3: care how many people jump me. I don't care where 777 00:41:37,641 --> 00:41:41,001 Speaker 3: I get shot stabbed, I will fucking come back and 778 00:41:41,161 --> 00:41:43,521 Speaker 3: I will finish the job if you don't. I hate 779 00:41:43,521 --> 00:41:45,441 Speaker 3: to say it to this day. That's just how my 780 00:41:45,561 --> 00:41:49,601 Speaker 3: mind is. I will never ever, ever, look, I try 781 00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:51,721 Speaker 3: not to make enemies. I don't want enemies. I live 782 00:41:51,801 --> 00:41:54,521 Speaker 3: my life quite humbly these days, and I'm a threat 783 00:41:54,601 --> 00:41:59,121 Speaker 3: to no one. No, I'm really not. And I've always 784 00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:01,761 Speaker 3: said that if anybody felt the need to take me out, 785 00:42:02,481 --> 00:42:04,801 Speaker 3: just do it, Like, just get a bullet and take 786 00:42:04,801 --> 00:42:09,481 Speaker 3: me out, because if I live, I don't know what 787 00:42:09,521 --> 00:42:09,801 Speaker 3: I'll do. 788 00:42:09,921 --> 00:42:13,001 Speaker 2: All I do there's that don't give a fuck attitude, 789 00:42:13,001 --> 00:42:15,641 Speaker 2: which is obviously where you were when you when you're 790 00:42:15,681 --> 00:42:16,881 Speaker 2: at this age. 791 00:42:17,161 --> 00:42:18,881 Speaker 3: No one gave a fuck about me. You know, like, 792 00:42:18,961 --> 00:42:21,401 Speaker 3: I what do you do? You're telling people that you've 793 00:42:21,441 --> 00:42:25,841 Speaker 3: been raped and molested, and like you're telling people that 794 00:42:25,841 --> 00:42:27,881 Speaker 3: are supposed to care about your people that you know, 795 00:42:28,081 --> 00:42:30,241 Speaker 3: you trust. Youre going to school and getting touched by 796 00:42:30,681 --> 00:42:33,081 Speaker 3: you know, Maris brothers, Like fuck, you're kidding me? Who 797 00:42:33,081 --> 00:42:33,681 Speaker 3: do you turn to? 798 00:42:34,481 --> 00:42:35,241 Speaker 4: No one cares? 799 00:42:35,241 --> 00:42:39,521 Speaker 3: So as a young person, my whole persona become black. 800 00:42:40,321 --> 00:42:43,521 Speaker 3: Everything was just I'm gonna fucking rip your head off. 801 00:42:43,521 --> 00:42:46,241 Speaker 3: I'm going to take what I want and ain't nobody 802 00:42:46,521 --> 00:42:51,881 Speaker 3: gonna hurt me. I started moving up the ranks in 803 00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:56,801 Speaker 3: the crime sort of scene, and you know, I was 804 00:42:56,841 --> 00:42:58,521 Speaker 3: making a bit of a name for myself as that 805 00:42:58,561 --> 00:43:00,921 Speaker 3: young bloke that could make money. Yep. 806 00:43:01,801 --> 00:43:03,801 Speaker 4: I wasn't a junkie like. I wasn't an addict. 807 00:43:04,121 --> 00:43:07,321 Speaker 3: I drank and definitely played up and took drugs, but 808 00:43:08,041 --> 00:43:10,601 Speaker 3: I wasn't using like most at that stage that were 809 00:43:10,641 --> 00:43:13,881 Speaker 3: hanging around with. And a particular bike club had me 810 00:43:13,921 --> 00:43:17,761 Speaker 3: hanging around at that stage at seventeen sixteen, just at seventeen, 811 00:43:18,681 --> 00:43:21,841 Speaker 3: and they wanted me in a nom up anyway, I 812 00:43:21,921 --> 00:43:25,561 Speaker 3: refused a normal They used to go to these nightclubs. 813 00:43:26,161 --> 00:43:29,361 Speaker 4: Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday and back at the clubhouse. And 814 00:43:29,401 --> 00:43:30,801 Speaker 4: I was getting in because I was a bigger fella, 815 00:43:30,881 --> 00:43:31,761 Speaker 4: and I know. 816 00:43:33,521 --> 00:43:34,081 Speaker 3: I was all right. 817 00:43:34,161 --> 00:43:35,961 Speaker 4: I could get into these nightclubs. 818 00:43:36,001 --> 00:43:37,201 Speaker 3: I don't know one was saying, I made you get 819 00:43:37,201 --> 00:43:40,641 Speaker 3: at the idea and I held myself quite well and 820 00:43:41,601 --> 00:43:45,041 Speaker 3: guaranteed wouldn't matter who. I had one buddy who I 821 00:43:45,041 --> 00:43:47,001 Speaker 3: grew up with, and you know who you are if 822 00:43:47,001 --> 00:43:49,401 Speaker 3: you hear this fatty, that's all I'm going to say, 823 00:43:50,281 --> 00:43:52,561 Speaker 3: and mate, we would go back to back week in 824 00:43:52,601 --> 00:43:56,681 Speaker 3: and week out. That'd send their norms in because you know, 825 00:43:56,921 --> 00:43:59,281 Speaker 3: I couldn't be contained they wanted. You know, I got 826 00:43:59,281 --> 00:44:01,281 Speaker 3: on well with them, and there was this and this 827 00:44:01,321 --> 00:44:04,081 Speaker 3: and that that was happening. Like I said, I was 828 00:44:04,081 --> 00:44:06,481 Speaker 3: making money, I was doing what I was doing, but 829 00:44:07,601 --> 00:44:09,521 Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna be told what to do by anybody, 830 00:44:09,921 --> 00:44:11,361 Speaker 3: you know. And I knew at the moment that I 831 00:44:11,401 --> 00:44:13,641 Speaker 3: said yes and they said, yeah, here's a bike, you know, 832 00:44:14,161 --> 00:44:17,281 Speaker 3: seventeen fuck him a non for this club, blah blah blah, 833 00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:17,921 Speaker 3: fuck that. 834 00:44:18,881 --> 00:44:19,881 Speaker 4: I didn't want a bar of it. 835 00:44:20,721 --> 00:44:23,761 Speaker 3: So then every time I went into the local clubs 836 00:44:23,801 --> 00:44:27,201 Speaker 3: and bubs, I was just punching on And that's all 837 00:44:27,361 --> 00:44:30,721 Speaker 3: I fucking did, was just back of my head. As 838 00:44:30,761 --> 00:44:33,281 Speaker 3: you could probably see this, more scars across it than ever, 839 00:44:33,361 --> 00:44:36,721 Speaker 3: and it's all glasses and bottles and that's what it's from. 840 00:44:36,881 --> 00:44:42,641 Speaker 3: It's just it's war scars, and you know, it's just 841 00:44:42,681 --> 00:44:44,521 Speaker 3: what had to happen. I mean, back in the day 842 00:44:44,521 --> 00:44:45,921 Speaker 3: he used to come out in the main street and 843 00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:47,881 Speaker 3: the coppers got to the point where they wouldn't come 844 00:44:47,921 --> 00:44:49,761 Speaker 3: in because it becomes so violent. 845 00:44:50,321 --> 00:44:53,201 Speaker 6: One point fifteen this morning and there's chaos in the cross. 846 00:44:54,721 --> 00:44:58,601 Speaker 1: Police arrest two men after a brawl. One claims he 847 00:44:58,721 --> 00:45:00,121 Speaker 1: wasn't involved. 848 00:45:01,721 --> 00:45:03,921 Speaker 3: And it wasn't like there was today, like squads. You know, 849 00:45:04,161 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 3: there was riots, but they weren't on hand the way 850 00:45:07,241 --> 00:45:10,041 Speaker 3: it was your local patrol coppers, you know, And they 851 00:45:10,081 --> 00:45:12,441 Speaker 3: probably have three or four patrols around on a Thursday 852 00:45:12,481 --> 00:45:14,161 Speaker 3: Friday night because I know, to be a piss up 853 00:45:14,161 --> 00:45:16,081 Speaker 3: in the clubs, it'd be fights on the street. But 854 00:45:17,161 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 3: me and Fatty had come out back to back and mate, 855 00:45:20,801 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 3: fuck we'd destroy from one end. 856 00:45:22,881 --> 00:45:26,161 Speaker 4: Of the street to the other. Not everyone that came 857 00:45:26,241 --> 00:45:26,601 Speaker 4: at us. 858 00:45:27,001 --> 00:45:28,681 Speaker 3: They used to be able to get these tin green 859 00:45:28,721 --> 00:45:31,241 Speaker 3: bins out of the fucking thing. They're in a steel thing, 860 00:45:31,441 --> 00:45:34,281 Speaker 3: and they weren't changed in you know, you run it 861 00:45:34,321 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 3: for the next minute. Fuck a whack, grab another lake 862 00:45:37,521 --> 00:45:39,881 Speaker 3: through a fucker shop front window. Bang like it was 863 00:45:39,961 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 3: movie sort of shit back then. And the coppers would 864 00:45:43,481 --> 00:45:46,201 Speaker 3: literally wait until it was over, wait for us to 865 00:45:46,201 --> 00:45:46,961 Speaker 3: walk to the street and. 866 00:45:47,001 --> 00:45:49,721 Speaker 4: Right I jump in the back of the bullwagon and we'd. 867 00:45:49,561 --> 00:45:51,401 Speaker 3: Know, but what are you gonna do? You know what 868 00:45:51,441 --> 00:45:53,441 Speaker 3: I mean? They knew who we were. By this stage, 869 00:45:53,481 --> 00:45:55,401 Speaker 3: they knew who I was, and they knew exactly my 870 00:45:55,441 --> 00:45:58,921 Speaker 3: attitude or I didn't give a fuck. I didn't care. 871 00:45:59,001 --> 00:46:02,081 Speaker 3: I never fucking once made a statement. I refused everything, 872 00:46:02,281 --> 00:46:04,641 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I was becoming a 873 00:46:04,721 --> 00:46:10,481 Speaker 3: real pest, a habitual offender. I started selling a lot 874 00:46:10,481 --> 00:46:15,561 Speaker 3: of heroin back then, and I started basically making a 875 00:46:15,561 --> 00:46:19,081 Speaker 3: lot of money. I sort of had this thing that, well, 876 00:46:19,201 --> 00:46:22,161 Speaker 3: if everyone's going to take it, I'm going to make money. 877 00:46:22,161 --> 00:46:24,041 Speaker 3: If I had nothing, I had a brain, and I 878 00:46:24,161 --> 00:46:27,481 Speaker 3: used it for the wrong reasons back then. Become an 879 00:46:27,481 --> 00:46:31,201 Speaker 3: epidemic and it was. It was bad, and I don't 880 00:46:31,241 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 3: think it's funny at all when I look back now 881 00:46:33,601 --> 00:46:38,681 Speaker 3: of you know how that heroin, how it would have 882 00:46:38,681 --> 00:46:39,441 Speaker 3: affected people. 883 00:46:39,481 --> 00:46:40,481 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I get it. 884 00:46:40,921 --> 00:46:42,281 Speaker 3: If it wasn't going to be me back then, the 885 00:46:42,401 --> 00:46:44,321 Speaker 3: street kid that was trying to live and make money, 886 00:46:44,361 --> 00:46:45,481 Speaker 3: and that was what I knew, how it was going 887 00:46:45,521 --> 00:46:49,801 Speaker 3: to be somebody else. So I'm not here to apologize 888 00:46:49,881 --> 00:46:52,121 Speaker 3: or make you know, any amends for that. It was 889 00:46:52,161 --> 00:46:56,361 Speaker 3: what it was. The coppers pulled me and Fatty up 890 00:46:56,401 --> 00:47:02,161 Speaker 3: one day and had us basically someone had given us 891 00:47:02,201 --> 00:47:05,601 Speaker 3: up and we used to do this run and we're 892 00:47:05,641 --> 00:47:08,521 Speaker 3: being watched, but we were smart enough to not physically 893 00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:10,281 Speaker 3: get caught doing this run. 894 00:47:11,121 --> 00:47:12,201 Speaker 4: But then they blocked. 895 00:47:11,961 --> 00:47:14,721 Speaker 3: Off this whole fucking area. And as we turned into 896 00:47:14,721 --> 00:47:17,681 Speaker 3: this one way street, these fucking cocksuckers had set us up. 897 00:47:18,761 --> 00:47:21,241 Speaker 4: And we're out of the car, and you know, I've 898 00:47:21,281 --> 00:47:24,521 Speaker 4: got a mouthful of fucking balloons, and I'm like looking there, 899 00:47:24,561 --> 00:47:26,841 Speaker 4: looking the home in your mouth and rack off you next, 900 00:47:26,881 --> 00:47:28,521 Speaker 4: and I'm owning to me, telling the first chance I 901 00:47:28,521 --> 00:47:30,841 Speaker 4: had I seen a drain. I've got the bag, they're gone. 902 00:47:32,041 --> 00:47:34,041 Speaker 3: Well that was all good and well, and they've got me, 903 00:47:34,081 --> 00:47:36,881 Speaker 3: old mate and the paddy wagon. And I said, he's 904 00:47:36,921 --> 00:47:38,521 Speaker 3: got nothing to do with it, you know. And he's going, 905 00:47:38,601 --> 00:47:40,321 Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about what he's doing. You know 906 00:47:40,321 --> 00:47:43,001 Speaker 3: what he's doing. And he had nothing he'd say. Off 907 00:47:43,001 --> 00:47:46,921 Speaker 3: he went. They wanted me, and I was just like, fuck, 908 00:47:46,961 --> 00:47:49,841 Speaker 3: here we go. So no adamant that they had me. 909 00:47:52,041 --> 00:47:53,841 Speaker 3: One of them standing there, he looks down, could see 910 00:47:53,841 --> 00:47:55,521 Speaker 3: this color at the in the drain, in the bottom 911 00:47:55,561 --> 00:47:58,081 Speaker 3: of the drain. Guess what's his? So, what do you mean, 912 00:47:58,121 --> 00:47:58,401 Speaker 3: what's his? 913 00:47:59,881 --> 00:48:01,681 Speaker 4: Calls the sergeant and they have started and look look 914 00:48:01,721 --> 00:48:03,081 Speaker 4: down there, we need to lift that drain up. 915 00:48:03,081 --> 00:48:05,561 Speaker 3: Sure as well. They got the caps, all the balloons 916 00:48:05,681 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 3: is what they were so banged. 917 00:48:07,001 --> 00:48:08,521 Speaker 4: As far as they were concerned, I was pinched. 918 00:48:08,841 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 3: There was no serious, circumstantial It wasn't I did, wasn't 919 00:48:11,441 --> 00:48:13,761 Speaker 3: physically caught within, No one's seen anything. It was just 920 00:48:14,441 --> 00:48:17,401 Speaker 3: they were there. They believed that I was fucking wheeling 921 00:48:17,441 --> 00:48:21,281 Speaker 3: and dealing. So I was under arrest. So if we go, 922 00:48:22,121 --> 00:48:25,121 Speaker 3: I get bail on it. So I was like, fuck, yeah, 923 00:48:25,121 --> 00:48:28,761 Speaker 3: this is good. I wasn't going back to court. So 924 00:48:29,841 --> 00:48:33,881 Speaker 3: I started, you know, farl appearing in this time. Mind you, 925 00:48:33,961 --> 00:48:37,081 Speaker 3: I've been I'd already done another basically two years prior 926 00:48:37,121 --> 00:48:39,321 Speaker 3: to this in and out, so you know, in that period, 927 00:48:39,321 --> 00:48:42,161 Speaker 3: I've been a mount panan carry on. I've been all 928 00:48:42,241 --> 00:48:44,721 Speaker 3: the boys, yasmar Yasma was like my second home. 929 00:48:44,801 --> 00:48:47,201 Speaker 2: These are all detentions, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, And. 930 00:48:47,361 --> 00:48:49,441 Speaker 3: I'm look, I'm not going to sit here and go 931 00:48:49,481 --> 00:48:52,481 Speaker 3: through all of everyone. I know everyone knows where I was, 932 00:48:52,561 --> 00:48:56,601 Speaker 3: you know, So I went through that whole process, you know, 933 00:48:56,681 --> 00:48:59,521 Speaker 3: the court system, the BA Dura Court, the Mindercourt, Barbara 934 00:48:59,601 --> 00:49:03,001 Speaker 3: fucking mister Blackmore and I just got fucking ping pong. 935 00:49:04,761 --> 00:49:07,601 Speaker 3: Then I was on the run. So it had turned 936 00:49:07,641 --> 00:49:14,681 Speaker 3: eighteen and I was wanted for failing to appear, oh yeah, 937 00:49:14,681 --> 00:49:17,921 Speaker 3: and numerous other things, heroin supply and possession and all 938 00:49:17,921 --> 00:49:22,401 Speaker 3: that sort of ship. Then I happened to be sitting 939 00:49:22,441 --> 00:49:26,481 Speaker 3: in Western Suburbs Leagues Club and I was playing the Pokeys. 940 00:49:26,761 --> 00:49:29,801 Speaker 4: I'm just on a random day, and this off Judy 941 00:49:29,841 --> 00:49:30,481 Speaker 4: Copper comes in. 942 00:49:30,561 --> 00:49:33,241 Speaker 3: He sits next to me, he looks at me, looks 943 00:49:33,241 --> 00:49:36,001 Speaker 3: it in and I thought, fuck, so what are you 944 00:49:36,041 --> 00:49:40,761 Speaker 3: looking at, gas, you fucking scumbag piece of shit? And 945 00:49:40,801 --> 00:49:42,601 Speaker 3: I went what caun't, picked up the stool and just 946 00:49:42,721 --> 00:49:47,561 Speaker 3: battered him, like I mean, that was not good. 947 00:49:48,241 --> 00:49:49,881 Speaker 4: And I fucked right up. 948 00:49:51,161 --> 00:49:54,441 Speaker 3: So what went from just a first instance warrant for 949 00:49:54,601 --> 00:49:59,281 Speaker 3: possession and supply was now assault police Grivis bottily harm 950 00:49:59,361 --> 00:50:02,881 Speaker 3: with the fucking deadly weapon. It was. I was fucked. 951 00:50:04,041 --> 00:50:08,041 Speaker 3: So I ran from that fucking league club about twelve 952 00:50:08,161 --> 00:50:12,921 Speaker 3: cas and I got away. So then I'm on the run, 953 00:50:13,281 --> 00:50:16,321 Speaker 3: fully on the run anyway. I'm ducking and weaving. I'm 954 00:50:16,361 --> 00:50:18,281 Speaker 3: still making money and I'm I'm still gonna do what 955 00:50:18,321 --> 00:50:21,921 Speaker 3: I've gotta do. I'll never forget. I'm walking down this 956 00:50:22,001 --> 00:50:25,721 Speaker 3: particular road and I'm looking at this particular place that 957 00:50:25,921 --> 00:50:30,681 Speaker 3: had let's just say a massive because laptop computers, the 958 00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:35,201 Speaker 3: deceibas and IBM's and all the cool laptops were coming 959 00:50:35,201 --> 00:50:36,801 Speaker 3: out and there was big money getting fetched for them 960 00:50:36,961 --> 00:50:40,161 Speaker 3: and the old video cameras. So I was casing this joint. 961 00:50:40,161 --> 00:50:41,801 Speaker 3: It was middle of the day, but I was just cruising, 962 00:50:41,841 --> 00:50:43,121 Speaker 3: you know, like I know what I was doing. No 963 00:50:43,161 --> 00:50:46,361 Speaker 3: one else knew what I was doing. I'm walk and 964 00:50:46,361 --> 00:50:49,281 Speaker 3: I'm walking and walk. Next minute I turn around and 965 00:50:49,321 --> 00:50:53,321 Speaker 3: here they were fucking boom boom. Mate. I had more 966 00:50:53,361 --> 00:50:56,641 Speaker 3: coppers come out, jump all over my detective fucking flogged, 967 00:50:57,401 --> 00:50:58,841 Speaker 3: just beat the shit out of me. 968 00:51:00,201 --> 00:51:03,201 Speaker 4: And yeah, that was where it all sort of turned 969 00:51:03,201 --> 00:51:04,721 Speaker 4: and off the long day. 970 00:51:04,601 --> 00:51:06,721 Speaker 2: I went, that's your first time in loved that first 971 00:51:06,721 --> 00:51:10,881 Speaker 2: time In episode two of The Brents Simpsons. Story happens 972 00:51:10,961 --> 00:51:14,401 Speaker 2: next Monday on the Clink podcast. Don't forget to rate, 973 00:51:14,521 --> 00:51:17,641 Speaker 2: subscribe and tell your friends this is the Clink Stories 974 00:51:17,641 --> 00:51:18,161 Speaker 2: of Redemption. 975 00:51:18,241 --> 00:51:18,841 Speaker 3: For the record. 976 00:51:19,081 --> 00:51:22,361 Speaker 5: Don't try and make you out comfortabook photo record. 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