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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle comments.

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Speaker 3: And in this episode, I speak with Owen John Permana,

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Speaker 3: a man who went from the Navy service to the

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Speaker 3: criminal underworld.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, man, Look, everyone say, were you skid?

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Speaker 4: Everyone tells you they weren't skied. So all the time there's.

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Speaker 1: A million soldiers on the front.

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Speaker 4: So I forget taken captive men as there's no coming

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Speaker 4: home from me. Means may I've never had peace come

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Speaker 4: to Australia to never in cycle, gans, handcuffs, cops, prison.

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Speaker 1: I said, I need your help. I said, what do

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Speaker 1: you need help with? I said, I want a rocket launcher.

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Speaker 4: I want to see point sixty two on some grenades

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Speaker 4: and some syntex.

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Speaker 1: Or some seaport.

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Speaker 4: I want eight grams of ice. He goes, you see,

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Speaker 4: I'm really missed that. Must see, mate, I'm done, I'm

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Speaker 4: chicking out.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Secrets of the Underworld. This is part

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Speaker 3: two of Owen Permana's story. If you haven't heard part

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Speaker 3: one yet, sure to go back and listen first. As

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Speaker 3: we continue right from where we left off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those stories.

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Speaker 4: Now, I was the insurance job gone wrong with some

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Speaker 4: that some people owed, some really nasty people, and so

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Speaker 4: we tried to buy them off by giving them a

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Speaker 4: Mercedes Beans just to buy some time to keep their money.

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Speaker 4: But at that stage then there was a major police

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Speaker 4: hunt after me and I got.

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Speaker 1: Banned at Basingly three nightclub on Basil Road.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I remember coming out of the car park there and

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Speaker 1: there was guys like this looking off. What that guy

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Speaker 1: looks really odd? I think he's a nasty right and

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Speaker 1: straight bat. Let's me and my mate.

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Speaker 4: And then as we come up into Bayswater Road there

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Speaker 4: were just cop cars everywhere. Men just come guns drawing

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Speaker 4: like there like get on the ground, got taken first,

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Speaker 4: taken to the King's Cross police station first time and

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Speaker 4: city handcuffs men.

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Speaker 1: I tell you, I was really nervous, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean because the first time experiencing was watching movies

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Speaker 4: about prison right. I thought it's going to be some

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Speaker 4: big black man Babba one hundred and naty kilos and

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Speaker 4: I ain't getting banged in the ass by no big

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Speaker 4: back man named Babba.

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Speaker 1: I went there for.

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Speaker 4: I really really violently looked uneasy, sort of thinking like

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Speaker 4: if they're going to rap me in prison. Right, They're

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Speaker 4: going to have to try real hard, Right, I'm just

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Speaker 4: going to knock out the first person I see. So

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Speaker 4: first person I ended up becoming my best friend, Raymond Curry.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind to share his name because he ended

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Speaker 4: up becoming a chapter president of the Sydney Bendidos and it's

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Speaker 4: still my good friend to this day. And say like

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Speaker 4: keeping looking through the window like firstal in prison, Yeah goes,

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Speaker 4: you'll be right, bro. And then him and I ended

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Speaker 4: up becoming training partners. But one story I will share

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Speaker 4: with you though, is then my friend made a lot

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Speaker 4: of money off of brothel.

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Speaker 1: Is one of my robbery things. We robbed this brothel.

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Speaker 4: We robbed this track training brothel, and I said to

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Speaker 4: my friend, law, I actually know the managers of this place,

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Speaker 4: so I can't wear to go like Ninja's right. So

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Speaker 4: I took my shirt off and made a ninjaed thing

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Speaker 4: and we had sawn off shotguns.

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Speaker 1: I said, it's going to be a really colorful I think

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Speaker 4: Door and answered the door, and it's standing in a

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Speaker 4: pair of stiletos and a mini dress, you know, a.

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Speaker 1: Big she old thing. And then they put the shot

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Speaker 4: It's it's running on it's g string hanging up with

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Speaker 4: as right. And then all of a sudden, my mate,

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Speaker 4: these and fits man. He said, he didn't tell me

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a training pot, all right. And

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Speaker 4: then all these it was raining pouring in with rain,

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Speaker 4: the police got a tip off. Was it was me,

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Speaker 4: and I'm down and center now and facing the charges.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe that all them trainees turn up to

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Speaker 1: I mean ship. They look violent. They look violent.

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Speaker 4: They still had lipstick one and like I'm sitting there

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Speaker 4: I went shit, And Judge goes, you'd be silent and

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Speaker 4: be nice. I have you taken out the back or

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Speaker 4: something like this. Now they're all sitting there looking at

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Speaker 4: this guy, he is really nicety work of art. He goes,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get that Owen all right. So he

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Speaker 4: got a job for you. He's this key we goddamn Owen.

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Speaker 4: He goes, I know he's my train part, but he's

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Speaker 4: thinking in his head. I was just look like. He goes,

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Speaker 4: I think he's a bodybuilder sort of stuff like this,

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Speaker 4: And he goes, what do you do rob my brothel?

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Speaker 4: And he goes, so, what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 4: And he goes, what can you do? And he goes, well,

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Speaker 4: I could get him rooted, I could get them dull.

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Speaker 1: Nurse and he goes, he's like this, and he goes.

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Speaker 1: He goes where he goes, I'm gonna cost you put

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Speaker 1: the money. He goes, we cannot pay you. I want

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Speaker 1: this guy to stop in prison. I want to rape.

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Speaker 1: I want all sorts of stuff. So I was wondering

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Speaker 4: My friend, my friend really lost me, gives me food

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Speaker 4: every week and so.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, this went on for a long long time.

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Speaker 4: And now I'm getting bailed, never to come back to prison, right,

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Speaker 4: And and Ray pulls me down. And I was sitting

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Speaker 4: And he goes, you're a funny bloke. On I learned

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Speaker 4: some stuff about you.

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Speaker 1: I just stuck.

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Speaker 4: I can't stop laughing. He goes, I made a bit

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Speaker 4: of money off you. And I said.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes, you.

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Speaker 4: Can tell me about that training brothel at the cross.

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Speaker 4: I went, what do you know about that? And I said,

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Speaker 4: He goes, Man that mellands you come there. And he's like,

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Speaker 4: I want him routed, and I want him fixed up.

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Speaker 1: I want him bash.

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Speaker 4: Every month he'd come out and they'd be like, so

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Speaker 4: what's happening. Oh having a hard time, he's getting blocked and.

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Speaker 1: All those sorts of shit.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, anyway, I was prison for you, Prison was.

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Speaker 4: Man, I's right, this is this is it because your

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Speaker 4: fights in prison, if you've got stood over, you got

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Speaker 4: So for me patting around with Ray and a few

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Speaker 4: you're done and it will follow you outside the prison even.

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Speaker 1: Even after this. If you got cleaned up in prison,

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Speaker 4: So Ray would say to me broken you fight, and'll

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Speaker 4: be like, yeah, men, he goes, because if if you

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Speaker 4: You'soul just stuck to ourselves, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Just trained are in the gym inside prison. So Ray

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Speaker 4: and I used to train all the time. Him and

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Speaker 4: We pushed the heaviest weights and silver order. Anyone will tell.

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Speaker 5: You, until you got that name for yourself in prison,

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean to try and say listen, listen,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I've heard that you think

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Speaker 2: you're all that? Will you ever put up on that

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Speaker 4: Man, you'll put on put on, put on show all

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Speaker 4: if you get opportunity, you get tested all the time.

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Speaker 1: So again it's like one big show. Really it's prison.

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Speaker 1: You can't show any sign of weakness if as you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very true. So when did you get released or

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Speaker 5: What I heard that you made bail or like that

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Speaker 5: you got out and all like that, But what was

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Speaker 2: If you did ever get out?

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Speaker 4: Man, all I had was a list of guys that

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Deck collecting put me up

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Speaker 4: So a really really really colorful character that's still in

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Speaker 1: Most of the guys have talking about. We're heavy underwood figures.

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Speaker 4: Some are alive, most aren't anymore, or they're just they're retired, now,

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Speaker 4: of names apart from my Matt Ray he's music cool.

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Speaker 4: And to one of these guys, every week used to

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Speaker 4: we said a lot they call barbecue weekdays. So every

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Speaker 4: and this guy would come bascaate, Oh can you get

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Speaker 4: me some steak? And give me some sausages. This went

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Speaker 4: I said, don't be noisy. I don't ask you that

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Speaker 4: sort of question. He goes, mate, I like you, well

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, I can't. I can't post bail.

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Speaker 4: The bail was like two undred and fifty grand, and

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Speaker 4: he goes, mate, I'll post bail for you. I thought

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Speaker 4: he was joking. Right, this big top lawyer came out

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Speaker 4: and then got down to the Downing Center and judy

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Speaker 4: solicitor came down and they said oh, and he said,

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Speaker 4: mean and suits and headsets outside.

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Speaker 1: Your court room.

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Speaker 4: And I went, what's it going to do with me?

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Speaker 4: I said, how do you know this guy? And I went, well,

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Speaker 4: here's my friend. I give him steak. He went, what

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Speaker 4: are you put two hundred fifty thousand dollars up for you?

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I give him sausages.

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Speaker 1: He goes, I didn't know this guy was big time gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: And so like when I got back, I did the

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Speaker 1: long walk out out of the prison. Sales. That was amazing.

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Speaker 1: All the guys burnt all there, we're bringing all these

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Speaker 1: this guy organized a couple of guys come pick me up.

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Speaker 1: All the gates swung back and do the big walk

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Speaker 1: and I got out.

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't really have any options anyway, because there's

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Speaker 1: So I thought then then and then that this is what.

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Speaker 4: the red light district of bringing Sydney's underworld, colorful people.

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Speaker 5: Don't think because you've got that power. And as I

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Speaker 5: You're just going there must be more to life than this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are people waiting for you, people waiting for me. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: Good kick boxes, boxes even have guns hanging off them.

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Speaker 4: But when it came to doing some stuff, you know,

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Speaker 4: But there's people like this all the time. People look

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Speaker 5: Happened in your life when you knew that you were

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Speaker 4: So before I got deported, and I obviously did my

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Speaker 4: what I mean, because my friend said, just leave that

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Speaker 4: around the nightclubs again, all the pretty girls and the

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Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.

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Speaker 4: The same people, different state, you know. I remember going

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Speaker 1: He goes, I like your boots. What looked up?

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Speaker 4: There's this bike and biker looking at me. Goes like

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Speaker 4: like that. You want to go or something? He goes,

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Speaker 1: I went, are you in the club and he goes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I went, I know, listen, I to live with

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Speaker 4: So dumb me. He went out the bet there. These

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Speaker 4: and he said, dear, if you got on there, he's

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Speaker 4: just different states, same people, right. So then that afternoon

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Speaker 1: I was not turning up to do my piece of training.

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Speaker 4: When you're earning like two and a half three thousand

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, Same bullshit men.

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Speaker 4: And then one instance I lent some money to a

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Speaker 4: back to this unit, not knowing that the National Crime

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Speaker 1: And so like there's something like out of the movies.

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Speaker 4: Man, they have what they call Class A and Class

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Speaker 1: So it's like one big theater. So anyway, they've been

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Speaker 4: I wasn't there for two hours talking about all sorts

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Speaker 1: I'd just come from you, I mean.

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Speaker 4: And by meantime, the cops are actually watching on the TV,

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Speaker 4: thoughts by my heart and got just glocked.

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Speaker 1: They checkled me up.

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Speaker 4: Mate, took me to this dark room and I'm sitting

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Speaker 4: So he came across and it's looking across from across

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Speaker 4: I said, you're not my mate, You're a cop. You're

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Speaker 1: I pulled my eye out, my ear was ripped off,

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Speaker 4: I want a seven point sixty two on some grenades

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Speaker 4: eight grams of ice. He goes, You see, I'm really

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Speaker 4: god moment. And then they're breathing nasty shit. In my head,

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Speaker 4: I saw this picture of all these kids crying. Right,

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Speaker 4: I've been doing coke. I locked myself in a room

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Speaker 4: Crying, And I said to them, I said to the

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Speaker 4: for and the voice said, they've got no dad. She

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Speaker 4: no Dad's dumb, all right? And then bit a compassion

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Speaker 4: in my heart, you know what I mean. And then

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Speaker 4: I thought, to the last piece, I want a regas

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Speaker 4: He goes, is that you, Yeah, yes, it's me. She goes,

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Speaker 4: are you okay? Nah, I'm not real good, and she goes,

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Speaker 4: why don't you come home? I said, I'm not leting

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Speaker 4: I'm going back prison. I said, listen, you're not the

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Speaker 4: reason why I'm just so messed up. No, I'm broken

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Speaker 4: I said, I love you, mum, I see you later.

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Speaker 4: Put the phone down. Man racked up a big liner.

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Speaker 4: Can't get a pipe. Man went to the drawer, grabbed

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Speaker 4: I started to load the clip. I grabbed my tire

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Speaker 4: I was on the Gold Coast. I remember it just

436
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,481
Speaker 4: like yesterday. And I looked around make sure no one

437
00:18:35,561 --> 00:18:38,200
Speaker 4: was looking. I hope no one's watching your brow your

438
00:18:38,201 --> 00:18:41,241
Speaker 4: head off right. I looked up and said to said

439
00:18:41,281 --> 00:18:44,961
Speaker 4: to the voice, you like that? Put it straight out

440
00:18:44,961 --> 00:18:46,880
Speaker 4: of my chin, closed the eyes and pulled the trigger

441
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,400
Speaker 4: and it went.

442
00:18:47,321 --> 00:18:49,841
Speaker 1: Clip that gun, little jams van.

443
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,481
Speaker 4: I went click and I looked at it went banged

444
00:18:54,481 --> 00:18:56,361
Speaker 4: it off to the side and went bang. And then

445
00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:57,640
Speaker 4: when I went to sit down, man, there was a

446
00:18:57,681 --> 00:19:00,520
Speaker 4: lump in my pocket and I pulled it out.

447
00:19:00,521 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: It was a little Gideon's Bible.

448
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if you read a Bible before, man,

449
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,921
Speaker 4: but there's this little Bible there. As I told you before,

450
00:19:05,961 --> 00:19:07,801
Speaker 4: my experience being a Christian when I was at school

451
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,761
Speaker 4: wasn't really great. So anyway, that little book ended up

452
00:19:10,801 --> 00:19:13,001
Speaker 4: in my pocket because made of mind. His loss has

453
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:13,881
Speaker 4: lost the cancer now.

454
00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 1: His name is Ben. Benny used to come to my place.

455
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,561
Speaker 1: Brian used to bring the best coke. Right. He turned

456
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,001
Speaker 1: up on my doorsteps and calle.

457
00:19:21,801 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 4: Lujah, Praise to Jesus, like, come on, and we're just

458
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 4: party for days.

459
00:19:25,721 --> 00:19:28,561
Speaker 1: Right, So I saw Ben being coming this day.

460
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 4: But I always had a gut of my pocket, always

461
00:19:30,561 --> 00:19:33,521
Speaker 4: nicety people in my house partying. Had a nice place

462
00:19:33,561 --> 00:19:36,681
Speaker 4: in Magic Mountain on the Gold Coast. Anyway, my mate

463
00:19:36,721 --> 00:19:40,001
Speaker 4: Ben turned up on the doors swick. Good time, brother,

464
00:19:40,561 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 4: he goes, bro, I'm not coming to your place ever again.

465
00:19:43,281 --> 00:19:46,041
Speaker 4: So it was he goes bro, you're gonna laugh at me,

466
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:47,041
Speaker 4: but I'm going to church.

467
00:19:47,441 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: Bro. Firstly, I laugh at what.

468
00:19:50,801 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 6: He goes you man, I said, what's up with that?

469
00:19:53,761 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 6: And he goes, bro, I got your gift. Give me

470
00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 6: the coke, right, and he put this book in my end.

471
00:19:58,201 --> 00:20:01,041
Speaker 6: I went, yah, that's the Bible.

472
00:20:01,481 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 4: Bro, I don't want to do that, because you can

473
00:20:03,521 --> 00:20:05,481
Speaker 4: read it if you want to come. We've got to

474
00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:07,561
Speaker 4: read that man, and he goes, I'm not going to

475
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 4: take note for an answer, and so he left. So

476
00:20:11,321 --> 00:20:13,561
Speaker 4: that Bible right at that time, mom when the beaches

477
00:20:13,561 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 4: in my back pocket. So I realized it's just being

478
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 4: his Bible. So I look around again, right because the

479
00:20:18,241 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 4: guns jem and I'm still alive. Some sort of intervention,

480
00:20:22,041 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 4: I went, hey, hey, god, I don't know how to

481
00:20:24,721 --> 00:20:27,001
Speaker 4: read this thing. The Bible I make reference to is

482
00:20:27,041 --> 00:20:28,521
Speaker 4: the thing I've got the thing here?

483
00:20:29,801 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 1: Can you speak to me? It's randomly opened the page

484
00:20:32,681 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: like that, put my finger and then my eyes. Use

485
00:20:35,281 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: my phone.

486
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 4: And it was in some twenty three and in this

487
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 4: passion it says, though I walked through the Valley of

488
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 4: the Shadow of Death, that's a Versil was on. I

489
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 4: don't know what the words mean, but I was definitely

490
00:20:45,921 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 4: facing some sort of hard place.

491
00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:47,961
Speaker 1: He on me.

492
00:20:48,521 --> 00:20:51,801
Speaker 4: And so in my transition broll now I'm broken the

493
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,241
Speaker 4: guns jam, I can't even kill myself, right, I can't

494
00:20:54,241 --> 00:20:54,721
Speaker 4: even make it.

495
00:20:54,681 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 1: As a jiggle.

496
00:20:55,241 --> 00:20:57,521
Speaker 4: I can't make it as a blinging stand under a man.

497
00:20:57,561 --> 00:21:01,121
Speaker 4: And now I can't even shoot myself. It's now I've

498
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 4: got this bible in my biling hand.

499
00:21:03,201 --> 00:21:07,161
Speaker 1: Then God kind of right, he's got this pastor lined

500
00:21:07,241 --> 00:21:09,201
Speaker 1: up piece. Now gone to heaven. Now past the King.

501
00:21:09,761 --> 00:21:12,721
Speaker 4: Right, he set this old man up, bro, And he's

502
00:21:12,801 --> 00:21:16,281
Speaker 4: driving with my friend in the car. You're having an argument.

503
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 4: My friend's real angry and he's he wants to punch

504
00:21:18,441 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 4: him in the head. Right, this old man, my friend,

505
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,041
Speaker 4: he smokes drugs as well, comes to my place all

506
00:21:23,041 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 4: the time.

507
00:21:23,521 --> 00:21:24,441
Speaker 1: Have an argument with.

508
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,841
Speaker 4: This priest and he says, stop the car now, I'm

509
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 4: sick and tired of your ship. Past the King, and

510
00:21:29,241 --> 00:21:31,121
Speaker 4: so you want to get outside of this old man,

511
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,961
Speaker 4: He goes, I'm not getting out of my car.

512
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,281
Speaker 1: It's my car now. Bruce has got set of diamond earrings.

513
00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe it. Man, he gets attacked by a magpie.

514
00:21:39,201 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: You should see his podcast Past the King's podcast How

515
00:21:41,761 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: He Met Me.

516
00:21:42,481 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 4: He tells the story about this magpie attacks him for

517
00:21:45,041 --> 00:21:46,641
Speaker 4: his diamond ring in his ear.

518
00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:47,881
Speaker 1: Just had then argument.

519
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,281
Speaker 4: He's got out of the car and now this magpie

520
00:21:50,721 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 4: swoops down and he's trying to trying to get this

521
00:21:53,561 --> 00:21:55,001
Speaker 4: airring out of his ears going.

522
00:21:56,961 --> 00:21:59,761
Speaker 1: And his fever's going everywhere. He's swearing. He goes, what

523
00:21:59,801 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: the hell's happening.

524
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,601
Speaker 4: He's getting a tacked by a magpie for the air

525
00:22:02,681 --> 00:22:04,801
Speaker 4: him in his ear, and he goes, just get in

526
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,801
Speaker 4: the but stopping stupid.

527
00:22:07,001 --> 00:22:10,041
Speaker 1: Now he's in the car like this, there's ears bleeding.

528
00:22:10,441 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't really want to be in this

529
00:22:12,001 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 4: car and this old man I'd rather be at Orang's

530
00:22:14,201 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 4: place smoking crack.

531
00:22:16,441 --> 00:22:17,321
Speaker 1: Here's a good idea.

532
00:22:17,801 --> 00:22:20,161
Speaker 4: I'm going to take him to Owen's place and let's

533
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 4: see if you can talk Jesus to him. He's going

534
00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:24,681
Speaker 4: to get a beating, right, He goes, I know someone

535
00:22:24,721 --> 00:22:28,001
Speaker 4: you can talk to about Jesus him been a pastor goes.

536
00:22:27,921 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh, who gets my mate Owen? He goes, oh, well,

537
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,281
Speaker 1: can you tell me a let this oone?

538
00:22:32,321 --> 00:22:35,041
Speaker 4: He goes, well, he's in trouble with the police all

539
00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:37,761
Speaker 4: the time, and all the nasty people don't really like it.

540
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,161
Speaker 4: It's got lots of guns. He got a heap of drugs,

541
00:22:40,201 --> 00:22:42,201
Speaker 4: and he goes, oh, could you take me to see him?

542
00:22:43,041 --> 00:22:45,841
Speaker 4: Bruce goes, I'll be happy to take this. Go now,

543
00:22:46,561 --> 00:22:48,241
Speaker 4: Bruce is coming to my place because he wants to

544
00:22:48,281 --> 00:22:50,521
Speaker 4: get on right and he wants to see this past

545
00:22:50,521 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 4: to get a beating. And so he turns up to

546
00:22:53,201 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 4: my place just like everybody has. Knocks on the door. Hey,

547
00:22:55,921 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 4: I know him, he's my friend. He goes, bring go

548
00:22:57,681 --> 00:22:58,121
Speaker 4: on the puff.

549
00:22:58,281 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: Here, brote a couple of boys down the back there.

550
00:23:00,441 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 4: As I look out the window, I see this old

551
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,001
Speaker 4: man sitting in the car and he's looking at me.

552
00:23:06,201 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 4: Bro who's that old man sitting in the car there?

553
00:23:08,201 --> 00:23:10,801
Speaker 4: And he goes, Oh, that's past the king. He's a preacher.

554
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: Do you want to come up for puff? Does you

555
00:23:13,241 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 4: want to run a He goes, maybe he's a man

556
00:23:16,961 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: of God.

557
00:23:17,521 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: I went, would you bring the white place? Now? I'm passed?

558
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,001
Speaker 1: Am angry? Right?

559
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 4: What you bring a white place for? What does you want?

560
00:23:23,761 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: So he's still staring at me, and I've got this

561
00:23:25,201 --> 00:23:27,721
Speaker 4: gun in my pocket. I've been a wake for days.

562
00:23:27,721 --> 00:23:27,921
Speaker 1: Mate.

563
00:23:27,921 --> 00:23:33,441
Speaker 4: I looked like blaming vampire, right, and he he looks

564
00:23:33,521 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 4: up and he gets out of the car. And he

565
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,081
Speaker 4: starts to walk up the stairs. He goes, oh, is it.

566
00:23:37,961 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of his son. I heard a lot

567
00:23:40,521 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: about you. I was really arrogant.

568
00:23:42,201 --> 00:23:44,241
Speaker 4: Man. I was like, yeah, you don't look like my dad.

569
00:23:44,281 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 4: You called me son and I said, yeah, what have

570
00:23:46,721 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 4: you heard? And he goes, oh, you can't sleep at

571
00:23:48,481 --> 00:23:51,401
Speaker 4: night and you're always in trouble with the police. I went, well,

572
00:23:51,481 --> 00:23:53,561
Speaker 4: your preacher or something. He goes, yeah, I'm past the king.

573
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,281
Speaker 4: Said man, I don't mean to be rude past the king,

574
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,641
Speaker 4: but what's you coming for? He goes, well, don't be offended.

575
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: I'll come to pray for you, laughing what he heard?

576
00:24:06,241 --> 00:24:09,921
Speaker 1: Heard what? And he goes, he'll set you free? Free

577
00:24:09,961 --> 00:24:12,921
Speaker 1: from what? And he goes, maybe yourself. So now I'm

578
00:24:13,001 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: like gold, crazy man, pray for me.

579
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,281
Speaker 4: Right he's stipped ford. He put one hand out like

580
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,201
Speaker 4: that and he said, in the name of Jesus, that's

581
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:28,161
Speaker 4: all I can remember. In fact, like something came out

582
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 4: of the clouds. And went, oh, because I'm mocking him.

583
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,241
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm on the ground, I'm out, I'm out cold,

584
00:24:34,961 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 4: no where ever, lie I'm out cold. And my friends

585
00:24:37,921 --> 00:24:39,801
Speaker 4: come out to get a drink. Now, he's a bad man.

586
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,081
Speaker 4: I bet me in my house they've got guns. They're

587
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 4: violent people, and come out. They see me on the

588
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,521
Speaker 4: ground as old man standing over the top of me.

589
00:24:46,761 --> 00:24:47,721
Speaker 1: He's drawn is gun.

590
00:24:48,241 --> 00:24:51,521
Speaker 4: He's gone, how come my mates on the ground. He goes,

591
00:24:51,561 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: why don't you ask? And now he's staring at the barrel.

592
00:24:54,321 --> 00:24:57,321
Speaker 4: He goes, he don't say anything. Did you punch him?

593
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,321
Speaker 4: He goes, I didn't punch him. He goes, wars on

594
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,681
Speaker 4: the ground. So I just asked if I could pray

595
00:25:01,681 --> 00:25:05,881
Speaker 4: for him. Equally disturbed, he goes, pray about what pray?

596
00:25:05,921 --> 00:25:08,921
Speaker 4: I old and have him counter with Jesus and he goes, no, man.

597
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 4: Right at that time, now my eyes had come open.

598
00:25:12,481 --> 00:25:15,641
Speaker 4: I'm on the ground. I'm looking up like this at him.

599
00:25:15,961 --> 00:25:18,921
Speaker 4: He's looking down with heaven a moment right, and he goes,

600
00:25:19,481 --> 00:25:22,441
Speaker 4: would you like a hug? I've been in the underworld

601
00:25:22,441 --> 00:25:25,801
Speaker 4: where are like years man, dark places present right like

602
00:25:25,921 --> 00:25:26,281
Speaker 4: I want?

603
00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:29,161
Speaker 1: He goes, would you like a hug? Right? And I'm

604
00:25:29,241 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: nervous and I went, you're not gay or anything? Are you?

605
00:25:32,721 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know how this God stuff with it?

606
00:25:35,921 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: He goes, no, I'm not gay anyway. Here's some advice

607
00:25:39,281 --> 00:25:41,321
Speaker 1: for you. If a man who's called a.

608
00:25:41,241 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 7: Priest or, a pastor, a man of God asked you

609
00:25:44,681 --> 00:25:49,961
Speaker 7: for your telephone number, don't ever give you a telephone number,

610
00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:51,721
Speaker 7: because every day my phone would ring.

611
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:54,721
Speaker 4: Man, I'm doing drug deals. I'm doing standing over the

612
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 4: ship right, and I'm looking at this phone like this.

613
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,201
Speaker 4: My mate goes, what's up? I went, I said, priest?

614
00:26:01,681 --> 00:26:03,481
Speaker 4: He goes, what dare we got in here?

615
00:26:03,961 --> 00:26:06,521
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because what do you want? I don't know.

616
00:26:06,561 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: You read his books or something? God singing dancing this building,

617
00:26:11,561 --> 00:26:15,401
Speaker 4: telling the funk off. When I didn't, they keeps dixing

618
00:26:16,001 --> 00:26:19,761
Speaker 4: right at our house, right, We'd have tens of looking

619
00:26:19,801 --> 00:26:22,001
Speaker 4: at the sides of the curtain curtain because you could

620
00:26:22,001 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: see the front door. And like usually undesirable drug addicts

621
00:26:25,561 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: or police would turn up on my doorsteps. And so

622
00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: like every day that priest would turn up on our

623
00:26:29,921 --> 00:26:33,041
Speaker 4: doorstep and I'll turn looking at the to get like

624
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 4: what what to make the sign of the cross?

625
00:26:38,321 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: That priest is there, but like, holy shit, that's high.

626
00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: All these people guns on the couch is like the

627
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: violent me too scared to go to the daughter to

628
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,001
Speaker 4: see this pastor king guy he'd never go away.

629
00:26:52,041 --> 00:26:53,561
Speaker 1: Man, every week i'd been caught.

630
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,521
Speaker 4: If you want some good lawyers to tell lies, I

631
00:26:55,561 --> 00:26:57,321
Speaker 4: know lots of them because they're like Marnee.

632
00:26:57,681 --> 00:27:00,281
Speaker 1: They tell lies about me all the time, guaranteed to

633
00:27:00,281 --> 00:27:04,041
Speaker 1: get off. Just pay them more Manne. Yeah, real funny.

634
00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: You've been a court before.

635
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 4: They go there and they have these captain cook hats,

636
00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:09,961
Speaker 4: you know, their penguin suits, and the little Captain Cook

637
00:27:10,001 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: hates sitting there, teler.

638
00:27:12,481 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Piss there and watching them tell lives about me.

639
00:27:14,561 --> 00:27:16,801
Speaker 4: But this particular day, man, there's two little old ladies

640
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: are sitting in my courtroom. I don't really like nosy

641
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: people caught my attention and they're smiling at me, and

642
00:27:22,001 --> 00:27:25,681
Speaker 4: I went, he's in the right courtroom. And one lady goes, yeah,

643
00:27:25,721 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 4: you're Owen. I don't know who you are. They said,

644
00:27:29,561 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: went past the King's friends. My hands went up like this,

645
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,761
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's the Christians. Oh still looking at

646
00:27:35,761 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: me like this, And the lady goes, you know, past

647
00:27:37,961 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 4: the king. Yeah, I know pastor King. What he's want

648
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,161
Speaker 4: And then when he come to visit you the other day, Yeah,

649
00:27:43,281 --> 00:27:45,561
Speaker 4: come to visit me, what do you want? Like, we

650
00:27:45,721 --> 00:27:47,921
Speaker 4: just want to come and support you. You know why

651
00:27:47,921 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm in court. No, listen, I'm not really a nice person.

652
00:27:51,241 --> 00:27:53,801
Speaker 4: I've got guns. I'm violent, I do arms, stick out

653
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: such smoke crack, and I'll go to prison for a

654
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,321
Speaker 4: long time.

655
00:27:56,801 --> 00:27:58,881
Speaker 1: And then he goes, you know, Jesus loves you. Oh

656
00:27:58,921 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: my god, it's the Jesus stuff again. I went home

657
00:28:02,041 --> 00:28:03,241
Speaker 1: that night, just like any night.

658
00:28:03,321 --> 00:28:05,961
Speaker 4: I'm on the pipe, I'm on the lines, and three

659
00:28:05,961 --> 00:28:10,321
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, my phone goes. You wouldn't believe that, mate,

660
00:28:10,721 --> 00:28:15,521
Speaker 4: Guess who it does, Pastor King. I went what He goes,

661
00:28:15,721 --> 00:28:18,561
Speaker 4: No way to answer the phone. It's three o'clock in

662
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: the morning.

663
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:19,321
Speaker 1: Man.

664
00:28:20,001 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: He goes, yea God, wake me up. Told me I

665
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: should pray for you, and he goes, there's everything all right?

666
00:28:25,441 --> 00:28:28,041
Speaker 4: I said, nah. He goes, what are up to? Or

667
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,081
Speaker 4: try to smoke crack? He goes, how's that working out

668
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:31,321
Speaker 4: for you?

669
00:28:32,441 --> 00:28:34,481
Speaker 1: Way? I can't get high? And he goes, well, mane,

670
00:28:34,521 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm praying for you.

671
00:28:35,721 --> 00:28:39,321
Speaker 4: I went, ah, it's because of you. I can't get high.

672
00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:42,721
Speaker 4: Listen here, Pastor King. I don't want to sing your

673
00:28:42,761 --> 00:28:44,721
Speaker 4: songs or read your books, right.

674
00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:48,361
Speaker 1: Just fuck off? And he goes, I'm not afraid of you.

675
00:28:49,281 --> 00:28:49,561
Speaker 1: I said.

676
00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,121
Speaker 4: What He goes, I'm not afraid of you. I said,

677
00:28:51,561 --> 00:28:53,361
Speaker 4: just fuck off, and I hung the phone up. In

678
00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:56,241
Speaker 4: the morning, man, seven o'clock in the morning, Ding dong,

679
00:28:57,121 --> 00:28:59,281
Speaker 4: open the door now, got pandorayes right over the no

680
00:28:59,441 --> 00:29:01,401
Speaker 4: sleep and he's standing at the.

681
00:29:01,321 --> 00:29:01,801
Speaker 1: Door like this.

682
00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:07,161
Speaker 4: I went, you're really obsessed, old man, aren't you passed

683
00:29:07,161 --> 00:29:09,841
Speaker 4: the kin? And he goes, want to come to our house? Well,

684
00:29:09,881 --> 00:29:11,921
Speaker 4: I'll come to your house full because I'll take you

685
00:29:11,961 --> 00:29:15,001
Speaker 4: somewhere special. So listen, you know, I see me get angry.

686
00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:16,401
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm afraid of you. I told you.

687
00:29:16,641 --> 00:29:18,761
Speaker 4: I said, man, this is going to stop right Just

688
00:29:18,801 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: as once, I came back to his place and he

689
00:29:20,481 --> 00:29:22,281
Speaker 4: came out with this big black book called the Bible.

690
00:29:22,441 --> 00:29:26,041
Speaker 4: He has read the Bible before. I'm not interested. He goes,

691
00:29:26,081 --> 00:29:28,081
Speaker 4: just read the book a trump, give me the stupid book.

692
00:29:28,081 --> 00:29:30,121
Speaker 4: Then I went away into the room, right and I

693
00:29:30,121 --> 00:29:32,041
Speaker 4: opened the book up. Look around, make sure no one's

694
00:29:32,041 --> 00:29:35,561
Speaker 4: looking looking at the words. Nothing's registing, right when what

695
00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:38,481
Speaker 4: a stupid book? Threw it on the ground, and I

696
00:29:38,561 --> 00:29:40,321
Speaker 4: thought he was just trying to be nice to me.

697
00:29:41,241 --> 00:29:44,881
Speaker 4: I'll give it another go. Ten o'clock, knocked on the

698
00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:47,281
Speaker 4: knocked on the door. He goes, let's go, let' say

699
00:29:47,321 --> 00:29:50,161
Speaker 4: go in, and he goes, we go to the special place.

700
00:29:50,641 --> 00:29:52,921
Speaker 1: That's ten o'clock. It might mean, he goes, yeah.

701
00:29:53,161 --> 00:29:54,921
Speaker 4: So again in the car we started to go towards

702
00:29:54,921 --> 00:29:56,681
Speaker 4: Call and get a pub, right Call and gat it

703
00:29:56,721 --> 00:29:59,481
Speaker 4: his pub. The ised to drinking it, and I thought,

704
00:29:59,481 --> 00:30:02,201
Speaker 4: ten o'clock, Oh, you want to go for a drink?

705
00:30:02,441 --> 00:30:03,481
Speaker 1: We go to Need for a drink.

706
00:30:03,561 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: He goes, We're not going in there. Hey, guys, we're

707
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:09,721
Speaker 4: not going there. Looked across the road this the neon lights,

708
00:30:09,761 --> 00:30:12,761
Speaker 4: the dancing girls. You want to go watch the girls dance?

709
00:30:13,081 --> 00:30:17,121
Speaker 4: He goes, We're definitely not going in there. And I thought,

710
00:30:17,161 --> 00:30:18,801
Speaker 4: where are we going? We came to this park bro

711
00:30:18,961 --> 00:30:21,601
Speaker 4: like the Rush Colors Bay, like me and the cardboard Box.

712
00:30:21,841 --> 00:30:24,001
Speaker 4: There were people in these back benches. I didn't get

713
00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:26,441
Speaker 4: out of the car, and I'm watching him now. After

714
00:30:26,481 --> 00:30:28,241
Speaker 4: we come back, I went, it's ten.

715
00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:30,201
Speaker 1: O'clock at night? Man, what's this about?

716
00:30:30,241 --> 00:30:30,281
Speaker 4: Me?

717
00:30:30,401 --> 00:30:34,161
Speaker 1: Goes, do you know what any thing about Jesus? Are Jesus?

718
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,881
Speaker 1: Because I'm not Jesus? Heaving over the back seat, what

719
00:30:36,921 --> 00:30:40,241
Speaker 1: do you see, I don't blake. It's clothes and sandwiches.

720
00:30:40,281 --> 00:30:43,161
Speaker 4: He goes, my wife Jean makes these sandwiches every year

721
00:30:43,321 --> 00:30:46,241
Speaker 4: every Friday. We come out here and I hope we

722
00:30:46,361 --> 00:30:48,201
Speaker 4: find someone. I said, you don't even know their names.

723
00:30:48,241 --> 00:30:50,161
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, but God does, and this is how

724
00:30:50,161 --> 00:30:53,521
Speaker 4: we see them. And then instant bro. Twelve years of bullshit.

725
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:55,601
Speaker 4: All this ship in my life right seemed to be

726
00:30:55,641 --> 00:30:57,761
Speaker 4: playing back in my head like a big movie.

727
00:30:58,161 --> 00:31:00,441
Speaker 1: The first time I had tear in my eye. As

728
00:31:00,521 --> 00:31:02,441
Speaker 1: I said, crime was a sign of weakness from most.

729
00:31:02,481 --> 00:31:03,481
Speaker 1: I live a project.

730
00:31:03,521 --> 00:31:06,321
Speaker 4: But I started to come out with my right eye,

731
00:31:06,361 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: and I mean I was trying to get it to stop.

732
00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:11,041
Speaker 1: And I turned around in my desperation.

733
00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:13,081
Speaker 4: The first time I ever said something I said, I

734
00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: called him Broke, This old man. I called him bro.

735
00:31:15,521 --> 00:31:18,801
Speaker 4: I said, Bro, can you help me? And he looked

736
00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:20,321
Speaker 4: at me and he goes, please, don't be offended. But

737
00:31:20,361 --> 00:31:22,201
Speaker 4: this is why I know about you. And he goes,

738
00:31:22,201 --> 00:31:24,481
Speaker 4: you're a drug addict. Said yeah, this looks like you

739
00:31:24,561 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: got many problems. I said, yeah, I have many problems.

740
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:30,001
Speaker 4: You've probably gone back prison. I'm definitely going back prison.

741
00:31:30,361 --> 00:31:34,121
Speaker 4: He goes, to have peace in your life, mate, I've

742
00:31:34,121 --> 00:31:41,001
Speaker 4: never had peace coming to Australia. So never any cycle, bullshit, guns, handcuffs, cops, prison.

743
00:31:41,361 --> 00:31:43,761
Speaker 4: You know, I don't even have any friends. All the

744
00:31:43,761 --> 00:31:45,761
Speaker 4: people that come to my place, they just come for drugs.

745
00:31:45,841 --> 00:31:48,321
Speaker 4: I don't have any friends. And he goes, come on,

746
00:31:48,361 --> 00:31:50,641
Speaker 4: we'll talk about in the morning. Eight in the morning, bro.

747
00:31:50,681 --> 00:31:52,121
Speaker 4: I was looking through the door. I was trying to

748
00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:54,161
Speaker 4: escape and he was eating breakfast. He goes, come and

749
00:31:54,201 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: join me. I threw his book on the table like

750
00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:58,321
Speaker 4: that and said, book full of words, don't mean needing

751
00:31:58,441 --> 00:31:59,961
Speaker 4: me and he goes, we'll read this one.

752
00:32:00,721 --> 00:32:02,561
Speaker 1: So what is it? Id you get these?

753
00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: Man? He's a really cool the kid's bible, right, just

754
00:32:05,121 --> 00:32:07,601
Speaker 4: drawings pictures, and so I opened it up. In the

755
00:32:07,641 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: first picture was all these angry people around someone that

756
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:13,361
Speaker 4: was beating up in the middle right. I thought he'd

757
00:32:13,401 --> 00:32:15,841
Speaker 4: done something wrong, that's why they're angry. And he's got

758
00:32:15,841 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: a beat him and done something wrong. What do you

759
00:32:17,441 --> 00:32:17,841
Speaker 4: do wrong?

760
00:32:18,001 --> 00:32:18,161
Speaker 1: Now?

761
00:32:18,281 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: Next one is on this big wooden thing and the

762
00:32:20,001 --> 00:32:22,121
Speaker 4: captain said, father, forgive them.

763
00:32:22,681 --> 00:32:25,561
Speaker 1: I thought, how could you forgive them if they put

764
00:32:25,601 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: you on that thing. I've got a similar story.

765
00:32:27,721 --> 00:32:30,601
Speaker 4: That people would beat me up, right, And I said

766
00:32:30,761 --> 00:32:32,321
Speaker 4: mine's going to be a bit different. I'm going to

767
00:32:32,321 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: whack them all right, And he goes, could you forgive him?

768
00:32:35,201 --> 00:32:38,561
Speaker 4: I said no, and I said I'm out and I

769
00:32:38,641 --> 00:32:40,281
Speaker 4: started to grab the door, and he goes, you don't

770
00:32:40,321 --> 00:32:43,561
Speaker 4: have to go. I stopped, my feet became like concrete

771
00:32:43,561 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: and said, what did you say? And he goes, you

772
00:32:45,721 --> 00:32:47,521
Speaker 4: don't have to go if you choose. You can stay

773
00:32:47,521 --> 00:32:49,081
Speaker 4: here if you want. It's not a flashouse like you

774
00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:51,201
Speaker 4: live in. But my wife and I would love you.

775
00:32:51,281 --> 00:32:53,681
Speaker 4: I'd heard that word love for And I said what'd

776
00:32:53,681 --> 00:32:57,401
Speaker 4: you say? And he goes, you don't have to go, man.

777
00:32:57,441 --> 00:33:00,081
Speaker 4: I was certainly like, what do you mean? I went,

778
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:02,521
Speaker 4: Can I ask you three questions about this God that

779
00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:05,841
Speaker 4: sits up in the clouds? He goes, yeah, I heard

780
00:33:05,881 --> 00:33:08,561
Speaker 4: you say God was holy? Right, because yea, God's holy?

781
00:33:08,601 --> 00:33:11,001
Speaker 1: I said, why? And holy? I'm pretty messed up?

782
00:33:11,121 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: Men.

783
00:33:12,121 --> 00:33:14,681
Speaker 1: He told me that Jesus loves people. He goes, yeah,

784
00:33:14,761 --> 00:33:17,521
Speaker 1: Jesus loves people. Do you think that Jesus, you know,

785
00:33:17,561 --> 00:33:20,521
Speaker 1: that could love something like me messed up? He goes yeah.

786
00:33:20,721 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: The third question was now.

787
00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:24,361
Speaker 4: I'm having a hard time trying to understand what you

788
00:33:24,401 --> 00:33:25,281
Speaker 4: know about me right now?

789
00:33:25,321 --> 00:33:28,001
Speaker 1: Perhaps the king at my house right now. I've got guns,

790
00:33:28,561 --> 00:33:31,601
Speaker 1: I've got drugs in the cupboard. I'm violent. This fuck

791
00:33:31,961 --> 00:33:34,681
Speaker 1: I don't know. Help man, Why would you ask me

792
00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:35,121
Speaker 1: to come and.

793
00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,201
Speaker 4: Live in your place when these people on that park

794
00:33:37,201 --> 00:33:39,641
Speaker 4: bench done have done all the ship that I've done.

795
00:33:39,961 --> 00:33:42,041
Speaker 1: What I mean, he says, you're not going to understand

796
00:33:42,041 --> 00:33:43,361
Speaker 1: these words this quotes from me.

797
00:33:43,441 --> 00:33:45,201
Speaker 4: He goes, God has got a purpose and a plan

798
00:33:45,241 --> 00:33:47,041
Speaker 4: for your life, to give you some hope in your future.

799
00:33:47,201 --> 00:33:49,041
Speaker 4: I really didn't understand what they mean, but I knew

800
00:33:49,041 --> 00:33:52,761
Speaker 4: that he could. And so I never came to Christianity

801
00:33:52,761 --> 00:33:54,681
Speaker 4: and stuff I say, I'm a Christian. I'm not like

802
00:33:54,761 --> 00:33:56,841
Speaker 4: one of these religious Christians. I make religious people at

803
00:33:56,841 --> 00:33:58,761
Speaker 4: the time. Oh he just swore, Oh he just talked

804
00:33:58,761 --> 00:34:01,721
Speaker 4: about six. I don't care what people say.

805
00:34:01,761 --> 00:34:02,281
Speaker 1: But this is on.

806
00:34:02,521 --> 00:34:04,001
Speaker 4: This is this is how you get you know, I mean,

807
00:34:04,481 --> 00:34:06,921
Speaker 4: And so you know I never came through words in

808
00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: a book called the Bible. If that's what Jesus looked

809
00:34:09,561 --> 00:34:12,281
Speaker 4: like in that priest, you know, feeding the poor, clothing

810
00:34:12,281 --> 00:34:15,041
Speaker 4: the homeless, doing nice, kind generous things, because all of

811
00:34:15,161 --> 00:34:18,201
Speaker 4: stuff on it was dark bro done show me to

812
00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:20,281
Speaker 4: my heart. I didn't know how to respond to it,

813
00:34:20,561 --> 00:34:23,201
Speaker 4: and so I just said, to a man, what's the catch? Man,

814
00:34:23,401 --> 00:34:26,641
Speaker 4: it's too good to be true. People like you don't

815
00:34:26,681 --> 00:34:29,441
Speaker 4: hang around with people like me, right, this is no catch.

816
00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:32,041
Speaker 4: And it was hard, man, I was trying to make

817
00:34:32,041 --> 00:34:34,681
Speaker 4: that transition because all my mates, you know, I mean,

818
00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:35,601
Speaker 4: they were like, what's he doing?

819
00:34:35,681 --> 00:34:38,041
Speaker 1: I used to become a Jesus freaker or something. I

820
00:34:38,081 --> 00:34:40,521
Speaker 1: remember going to prison. Man, I tell you the way that.

821
00:34:40,521 --> 00:34:42,641
Speaker 4: God has more power than a than a gun and

822
00:34:42,681 --> 00:34:45,001
Speaker 4: a first because you know, now the guys that I

823
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:46,561
Speaker 4: was doing bad stuff to us, so now this guy

824
00:34:46,601 --> 00:34:47,801
Speaker 4: wants to kill us with Jesus.

825
00:34:48,441 --> 00:34:50,761
Speaker 1: But when I found out, right, I said, tell me

826
00:34:50,801 --> 00:34:53,321
Speaker 1: about what that book's actually about. And so what I

827
00:34:53,441 --> 00:34:55,841
Speaker 1: liked about it was it said that Jesus hung.

828
00:34:55,641 --> 00:35:01,241
Speaker 4: Around with undesirable misfits, tax collectors, prostitutes, fishermen, you know,

829
00:35:01,401 --> 00:35:04,721
Speaker 4: just roof rat. And I thought, that's me what Jesus

830
00:35:04,801 --> 00:35:07,121
Speaker 4: calling had a heart and compassion from people like me.

831
00:35:07,241 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: That went yeah, and then religious people hated them. Yeah,

832
00:35:10,521 --> 00:35:12,001
Speaker 4: I was trying to kill them. I said, well, this

833
00:35:12,321 --> 00:35:14,601
Speaker 4: just sucks. I kind of liked that you know what

834
00:35:14,601 --> 00:35:17,681
Speaker 4: I mean. I thought people who were you tell them

835
00:35:17,681 --> 00:35:20,521
Speaker 4: the word Jesus, they think, oh, religious stuff. Like I

836
00:35:20,601 --> 00:35:22,921
Speaker 4: kind of liked that you liked, you know, people who

837
00:35:22,961 --> 00:35:25,441
Speaker 4: were messed up and so like the Bible is like

838
00:35:25,481 --> 00:35:26,321
Speaker 4: a training manual.

839
00:35:26,681 --> 00:35:29,041
Speaker 1: It's like saying, Neil, do you think you know that

840
00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:31,601
Speaker 1: someone will give you the keys to a Lamborghini if

841
00:35:31,601 --> 00:35:35,001
Speaker 1: you've never known the instruction. It's the same with the Bible.

842
00:35:35,161 --> 00:35:38,481
Speaker 1: All it is is a series of stories, right, stories everywhere.

843
00:35:38,681 --> 00:35:41,801
Speaker 1: It's set two thousand years ago in Israel. I don't

844
00:35:41,841 --> 00:35:43,521
Speaker 1: live in Israel. You live in Australia. I live in

845
00:35:43,561 --> 00:35:46,761
Speaker 1: New Zealand. We don't go around saying shallam the shem?

846
00:35:46,801 --> 00:35:47,241
Speaker 2: I don't lie.

847
00:35:47,241 --> 00:35:49,721
Speaker 4: That would just be stupid. Right, how do you say

848
00:35:49,721 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: hello in Australia? Get a how do you say hello

849
00:35:52,001 --> 00:35:56,001
Speaker 4: in New Zealand? Calder Chure. So, well, that's relational. So

850
00:35:56,041 --> 00:35:59,161
Speaker 4: I can tell this religious story without having to use

851
00:35:59,201 --> 00:36:02,121
Speaker 4: religious words, right because most of the people who are

852
00:36:02,121 --> 00:36:04,401
Speaker 4: trying to do nice stuff are trying to explain a

853
00:36:04,521 --> 00:36:06,761
Speaker 4: story that people So I don't understand the words you're talking.

854
00:36:07,441 --> 00:36:10,161
Speaker 1: I don't understand the lyrics. Is whereas I can tell

855
00:36:10,161 --> 00:36:10,721
Speaker 1: the same story.

856
00:36:10,761 --> 00:36:15,001
Speaker 4: I said, there's principles and stories, when why how does

857
00:36:15,001 --> 00:36:16,361
Speaker 4: that story apply to my life?

858
00:36:16,361 --> 00:36:19,001
Speaker 1: And then you can put yourself or what's the teaching behind?

859
00:36:19,401 --> 00:36:20,641
Speaker 1: What to do? You know?

860
00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:23,121
Speaker 4: Kindness, generosity? You know, I said, to be a Christian

861
00:36:23,161 --> 00:36:25,201
Speaker 4: to have these principles, but I kind of like, you

862
00:36:25,241 --> 00:36:27,041
Speaker 4: know that that was the anchor from me, was to

863
00:36:27,081 --> 00:36:29,921
Speaker 4: say that that Jesus had compassion on something that was

864
00:36:30,001 --> 00:36:33,401
Speaker 4: messed up, fried unforgiving like me. And I thought that

865
00:36:33,441 --> 00:36:35,361
Speaker 4: means something, and I thought, you know what, I like

866
00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,201
Speaker 4: what that passed? And did I want to do what

867
00:36:37,241 --> 00:36:39,201
Speaker 4: he does. I want to go and meet all the lost,

868
00:36:39,241 --> 00:36:41,361
Speaker 4: broken people in this world, not trying to convince them

869
00:36:41,361 --> 00:36:43,561
Speaker 4: that they should become Christians. I don't care if you're

870
00:36:43,561 --> 00:36:45,041
Speaker 4: praying the rocks. I don't care if you're a wizard

871
00:36:45,121 --> 00:36:48,721
Speaker 4: or a warlock, or you watch pornography, or you you gamble.

872
00:36:48,481 --> 00:36:50,041
Speaker 1: You do those sorts of things.

873
00:36:50,601 --> 00:36:51,881
Speaker 4: The Lord said, I'm going to give you the most

874
00:36:51,881 --> 00:36:53,641
Speaker 4: precious gift that I had, And I thought, what's that?

875
00:36:53,921 --> 00:36:55,361
Speaker 4: Because I could hear his voice in my heart and

876
00:36:55,401 --> 00:36:58,641
Speaker 4: he said, friendship or friendship? He is here, he goes,

877
00:36:58,961 --> 00:37:00,561
Speaker 4: You're going to make friends with people you don't even

878
00:37:00,721 --> 00:37:03,081
Speaker 4: like me now, want to come to the buildings called church.

879
00:37:03,201 --> 00:37:03,801
Speaker 1: This is church.

880
00:37:03,841 --> 00:37:05,841
Speaker 4: What we're doing now, He says, you're going to meet

881
00:37:05,841 --> 00:37:08,081
Speaker 4: people and you tell them there's a God in heaven.

882
00:37:08,121 --> 00:37:11,401
Speaker 4: He's been thinking about them. What you've been thinking about them? Yeah,

883
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:13,561
Speaker 4: because that's why I seen you in the Ukraine. Man,

884
00:37:13,561 --> 00:37:16,161
Speaker 4: These people in pits right now, these people in these

885
00:37:16,201 --> 00:37:19,601
Speaker 4: trenches right now, thinking about their wives, thinking about hot

886
00:37:19,601 --> 00:37:22,361
Speaker 4: coffee whatever, thinking about freedom. A lot of them aren't

887
00:37:22,361 --> 00:37:24,761
Speaker 4: coming home. I have a lot of these guys come

888
00:37:24,801 --> 00:37:26,641
Speaker 4: to my place, man, Six guys that have been in

889
00:37:26,641 --> 00:37:29,841
Speaker 4: my house here no longer exist anymore. They exist about

890
00:37:29,841 --> 00:37:32,361
Speaker 4: their testimony in the war here in the Ukraine, but

891
00:37:32,441 --> 00:37:34,401
Speaker 4: you know they came here with a purpose to help.

892
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:37,441
Speaker 4: I don't have hatred or business for anyone in my

893
00:37:37,521 --> 00:37:40,801
Speaker 4: heart anymore. There's always consequences for actions. There's going to

894
00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:42,961
Speaker 4: be people in my life story won't care that I

895
00:37:43,081 --> 00:37:45,361
Speaker 4: became a Christian and a crazy one, you know what

896
00:37:45,361 --> 00:37:45,601
Speaker 4: I mean.

897
00:37:45,801 --> 00:37:48,241
Speaker 1: And so you know, this was a platform to say.

898
00:37:48,121 --> 00:37:50,081
Speaker 4: I'm sorry for the terrible things I did while I

899
00:37:50,121 --> 00:37:51,201
Speaker 4: actually really am.

900
00:37:51,281 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: I was really messed up, you know what I mean.

901
00:37:53,641 --> 00:37:55,121
Speaker 1: And if you see me in the street, you.

902
00:37:55,121 --> 00:37:56,961
Speaker 4: Want to punch me in the nose, No problem, Just

903
00:37:57,001 --> 00:38:00,481
Speaker 4: one punch, though, just one.

904
00:38:01,841 --> 00:38:05,121
Speaker 2: How did you end up in Ukraine?

905
00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:05,361
Speaker 1: Well?

906
00:38:05,441 --> 00:38:07,961
Speaker 4: Man, By that stage, I started traveling the world, you

907
00:38:07,961 --> 00:38:10,201
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I ended up sharing my testimony

908
00:38:10,201 --> 00:38:13,441
Speaker 4: because people said, man, your testimony is really old. You

909
00:38:13,481 --> 00:38:15,921
Speaker 4: know how God come into your life through that? Pastor said,

910
00:38:15,921 --> 00:38:18,161
Speaker 4: that's a really cool story. So I started traveling the

911
00:38:18,161 --> 00:38:19,881
Speaker 4: world and then I started to go to real poor

912
00:38:20,001 --> 00:38:23,081
Speaker 4: nations and I started to see brick killing, slavery as

913
00:38:23,161 --> 00:38:26,041
Speaker 4: the prostitution, human sex trafficking, all that sort of stuff.

914
00:38:26,041 --> 00:38:28,281
Speaker 4: And then I got a little bit angry, and I'm

915
00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:31,241
Speaker 4: thinking about how poor people get the raw end of

916
00:38:31,321 --> 00:38:32,801
Speaker 4: the stick, you know what I mean. They can't eat

917
00:38:32,801 --> 00:38:34,761
Speaker 4: and they can't things. And so you know, I got

918
00:38:34,761 --> 00:38:37,961
Speaker 4: around human sex trafficking work actually in New Zealand. When

919
00:38:38,001 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: I come back, I wanted to do something with my life,

920
00:38:40,001 --> 00:38:41,201
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I wanted to give back

921
00:38:41,241 --> 00:38:43,321
Speaker 4: on some sort of way. So I said to my mum,

922
00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:45,681
Speaker 4: I think God's sending me to Auckland, and she goes,

923
00:38:45,721 --> 00:38:46,801
Speaker 4: where are you going to live? And I said, oh,

924
00:38:46,841 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: I know, I'll stay on my car. She goes, it's

925
00:38:49,001 --> 00:38:52,001
Speaker 4: just stupid. And so I bought a bag full of food.

926
00:38:52,121 --> 00:38:54,601
Speaker 4: Man in its bag and I started at the top

927
00:38:54,641 --> 00:38:56,641
Speaker 4: of K Road and I started to walk.

928
00:38:56,681 --> 00:38:57,801
Speaker 1: I got halfway down the street.

929
00:38:57,801 --> 00:39:00,481
Speaker 4: Man, I saw so many broken drug addicts and messed

930
00:39:00,521 --> 00:39:00,961
Speaker 4: up people.

931
00:39:01,041 --> 00:39:03,561
Speaker 8: Man, it was like looking at myself. Man, and I thought,

932
00:39:03,561 --> 00:39:05,521
Speaker 8: I don't want to see any more. And I said

933
00:39:05,521 --> 00:39:07,001
Speaker 8: to God, oh, I lived there. I don't want to

934
00:39:07,001 --> 00:39:09,801
Speaker 8: see this stuff anymore. And he goes. He goes, well,

935
00:39:09,841 --> 00:39:11,761
Speaker 8: you don't need to do it if you don't want to.

936
00:39:11,961 --> 00:39:12,801
Speaker 8: And I shared a couple of.

937
00:39:12,841 --> 00:39:16,401
Speaker 4: Stories online and for eight years, Man, I had like

938
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:19,641
Speaker 4: a food bank, and the Auckland government gave me a

939
00:39:19,681 --> 00:39:22,561
Speaker 4: building for free and all these people started to come

940
00:39:22,601 --> 00:39:25,481
Speaker 4: on board. In twenty twenty twenty twenty one, I was

941
00:39:25,481 --> 00:39:28,561
Speaker 4: nominated for the New Zealander of the Year Work a

942
00:39:28,601 --> 00:39:32,801
Speaker 4: finalist in Auckland for charity work. And if I mentioned

943
00:39:32,801 --> 00:39:34,961
Speaker 4: these awards and stuff like that, I'm sharing with you

944
00:39:35,001 --> 00:39:36,521
Speaker 4: that there were a lot of people that came into

945
00:39:36,601 --> 00:39:38,881
Speaker 4: my life that wanted to help do what I do.

946
00:39:38,961 --> 00:39:41,881
Speaker 4: So when I talk about things like awards and stuff,

947
00:39:41,881 --> 00:39:44,361
Speaker 4: I really represent a lot of people who helped me,

948
00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:47,041
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, make the food. And we started

949
00:39:47,161 --> 00:39:50,321
Speaker 4: working with homeless people because we just you just know

950
00:39:50,401 --> 00:39:52,401
Speaker 4: that when people will eat out of rubbish and bro,

951
00:39:52,481 --> 00:39:55,681
Speaker 4: that's really weird, right, something's happened, it's not right. And

952
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,241
Speaker 4: so I knew how to communicate with people who are

953
00:39:58,241 --> 00:39:59,921
Speaker 4: in hard places to be like, man, you've got to

954
00:39:59,961 --> 00:40:02,321
Speaker 4: become friends with people before you start offering advice.

955
00:40:03,161 --> 00:40:04,161
Speaker 1: And the problem with.

956
00:40:04,521 --> 00:40:07,161
Speaker 4: Most chris in organizations, they have a good heart. They

957
00:40:07,281 --> 00:40:09,721
Speaker 4: really want to convince people that they should know Jesus

958
00:40:09,721 --> 00:40:12,161
Speaker 4: comes on. And I'm all for that, but like for me,

959
00:40:12,201 --> 00:40:14,761
Speaker 4: I just like, no, man, just let them ask the questions.

960
00:40:15,601 --> 00:40:16,761
Speaker 1: I'm just owen who.

961
00:40:16,721 --> 00:40:19,561
Speaker 4: Had a radical encounter with some really kind people, and

962
00:40:19,561 --> 00:40:20,401
Speaker 4: I like what they did.

963
00:40:20,681 --> 00:40:22,761
Speaker 1: And I read the book. Now I'm convinced. I really

964
00:40:22,801 --> 00:40:27,521
Speaker 1: like the story. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, man,

965
00:40:27,561 --> 00:40:27,801
Speaker 1: I can.

966
00:40:27,881 --> 00:40:29,881
Speaker 4: I can minister that from the start that it's the

967
00:40:29,881 --> 00:40:33,801
Speaker 4: best book I've ever read. Those places are absolutely verifiable.

968
00:40:33,841 --> 00:40:36,281
Speaker 4: If you go through Lebanon, if you go through Egypt,

969
00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:38,801
Speaker 4: if you go through Iraq, if you go through Iran,

970
00:40:38,921 --> 00:40:41,241
Speaker 4: if you go through Israel, all those places I mentioned

971
00:40:41,241 --> 00:40:45,361
Speaker 4: the Bible, they're verifiable etchings carvings.

972
00:40:45,121 --> 00:40:45,761
Speaker 1: You name it this.

973
00:40:46,481 --> 00:40:48,121
Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm not even trying to convince people that

974
00:40:48,121 --> 00:40:50,201
Speaker 4: there's been Christians, but I pro people find.

975
00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: Their hard place men, and at the end of the life.

976
00:40:52,561 --> 00:40:54,681
Speaker 4: What I liked about that story was when Jesus was

977
00:40:55,081 --> 00:40:57,721
Speaker 4: put on that cross, the cross Roy saw on one right.

978
00:40:58,041 --> 00:41:00,081
Speaker 4: They were all laughing at him, saying, some sort of

979
00:41:00,121 --> 00:41:01,921
Speaker 4: king ears he came and give himself.

980
00:41:01,641 --> 00:41:03,601
Speaker 1: Down off that thing, you know, in a hard place,

981
00:41:04,321 --> 00:41:06,001
Speaker 1: this thief on the cross. It was the site of him.

982
00:41:06,001 --> 00:41:07,801
Speaker 4: And said to him, but if you are this king

983
00:41:07,841 --> 00:41:09,841
Speaker 4: that they're talking about, will you remember me? Because he's

984
00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:12,161
Speaker 4: not getting down off that thing. And Jesus said to them,

985
00:41:12,241 --> 00:41:14,321
Speaker 4: very I say to you be with in paradise. So

986
00:41:14,401 --> 00:41:17,121
Speaker 4: here compassion on a person who acknowledged, hey, man, I'm

987
00:41:17,161 --> 00:41:19,161
Speaker 4: just an armed robber, I'm just a thief, I'm just

988
00:41:19,201 --> 00:41:22,001
Speaker 4: no good, I'm just drug edit gentlemen, I've done. This

989
00:41:22,121 --> 00:41:24,801
Speaker 4: is my punishment. I'm here because that's that's that's what

990
00:41:24,841 --> 00:41:27,561
Speaker 4: I've done. But he done nothing and acknowledged that. And

991
00:41:27,601 --> 00:41:30,001
Speaker 4: he's just saying to him, if there's any compassion and

992
00:41:30,041 --> 00:41:32,721
Speaker 4: who you are, kind of like, would you be my friends?

993
00:41:32,721 --> 00:41:33,241
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.

994
00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:35,481
Speaker 4: And Jesus said, of course, and that's what I do

995
00:41:35,601 --> 00:41:38,121
Speaker 4: with me, like I'm friends with people who've done like God,

996
00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:40,761
Speaker 4: I don't care. I mean friendship's a powerful gift to

997
00:41:40,801 --> 00:41:44,001
Speaker 4: do life with people. Brother, I don't feed death. I

998
00:41:44,081 --> 00:41:45,881
Speaker 4: got to meet a lot of girls that were trafficked

999
00:41:45,921 --> 00:41:49,641
Speaker 4: in New Zealand through gangs prostitution. I met up with

1000
00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:53,321
Speaker 4: this organization that they said, come up to Switzerland and

1001
00:41:53,801 --> 00:41:55,601
Speaker 4: bro I was about ready to jump on board with

1002
00:41:55,641 --> 00:41:59,721
Speaker 4: an extraction crew which goes and finds kids and girls

1003
00:41:59,721 --> 00:42:02,881
Speaker 4: that have been taken by the underworld into places, heavy places,

1004
00:42:03,881 --> 00:42:07,241
Speaker 4: and COVID was hit and I was trapped there for four.

1005
00:42:07,041 --> 00:42:09,641
Speaker 1: Months and the wall broke out.

1006
00:42:09,881 --> 00:42:12,121
Speaker 4: And then I saw this young girl carrying her babies

1007
00:42:12,161 --> 00:42:15,121
Speaker 4: in her arms, and the snow was deep around her

1008
00:42:15,121 --> 00:42:17,321
Speaker 4: feet and her fingers will frosted and she had no

1009
00:42:17,361 --> 00:42:18,281
Speaker 4: expression on her face.

1010
00:42:18,681 --> 00:42:19,361
Speaker 1: My heart dropped.

1011
00:42:19,401 --> 00:42:22,121
Speaker 4: Man. I thought, shit, that doesn't looked really nice and

1012
00:42:22,161 --> 00:42:24,561
Speaker 4: like she needs help. Man, I said, God, can I

1013
00:42:24,601 --> 00:42:27,081
Speaker 4: go there? And I believe he said yeah, I'm sending

1014
00:42:27,081 --> 00:42:28,841
Speaker 4: you there because look at her this warming and my

1015
00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:32,881
Speaker 4: heart seat pinchers and stuff, and I thought, oh, this.

1016
00:42:32,921 --> 00:42:33,641
Speaker 1: Is really crazy.

1017
00:42:33,641 --> 00:42:35,641
Speaker 4: Man. I don't even know where I'm going to go

1018
00:42:35,721 --> 00:42:38,801
Speaker 4: to bring in Ukraine. So I take some people. Anyone

1019
00:42:38,841 --> 00:42:41,481
Speaker 4: knows about the Ukraine stuff. So people said, yeah, we've

1020
00:42:41,481 --> 00:42:44,521
Speaker 4: got some friends from Germany that's taking food and stuff

1021
00:42:44,641 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: across from Hungary to a part of Ukraine. I said,

1022
00:42:47,881 --> 00:42:50,241
Speaker 4: can I join them? So then I drove these vans

1023
00:42:50,481 --> 00:42:54,281
Speaker 4: for two weeks. I told van rides to take all

1024
00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:56,241
Speaker 4: his food and then they said, oh, I got to

1025
00:42:56,321 --> 00:42:59,321
Speaker 4: make it's a butcher. He's bringing some medical stuff from Hamburg,

1026
00:42:59,401 --> 00:43:03,041
Speaker 4: Germany with a tank commander across to another maternity hospital.

1027
00:43:03,121 --> 00:43:03,801
Speaker 1: You want to go do that.

1028
00:43:04,441 --> 00:43:07,121
Speaker 4: So I flew up to Germany and put this truck

1029
00:43:07,161 --> 00:43:09,881
Speaker 4: across and then they said, oh, we found these priests.

1030
00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:13,121
Speaker 4: They were doing extractions on the front line. They don't

1031
00:43:13,121 --> 00:43:15,001
Speaker 4: have any guns or anything, and like, yeah, you're going

1032
00:43:15,041 --> 00:43:16,841
Speaker 4: to do that. So I was going to the wall

1033
00:43:16,921 --> 00:43:19,801
Speaker 4: zone of these vans, going past tanks and shit. It

1034
00:43:19,841 --> 00:43:23,761
Speaker 4: was crazy as risking all these people. And then I

1035
00:43:23,801 --> 00:43:26,321
Speaker 4: met some people and they said, oh, commander of this unit.

1036
00:43:26,361 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, you know me, because I said,

1037
00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:31,881
Speaker 4: do you need a priest? Do you know chaplin? He goes,

1038
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,521
Speaker 4: you want to come out? And I went yeah. I

1039
00:43:34,521 --> 00:43:37,121
Speaker 4: remember going out across those twelve hours on a bus

1040
00:43:37,561 --> 00:43:40,121
Speaker 4: and I came to this place, but they took.

1041
00:43:40,001 --> 00:43:42,121
Speaker 1: My bags away. I looked me at this restaurant for

1042
00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:44,241
Speaker 1: two hours, and then they came back.

1043
00:43:44,281 --> 00:43:46,841
Speaker 4: There's this old guy. They pointed to me. Get in

1044
00:43:46,881 --> 00:43:50,121
Speaker 4: the car with this guy. I traveled two hours across

1045
00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: these packs man, and my heart's beating, thinking these guys

1046
00:43:53,521 --> 00:43:54,241
Speaker 4: are gonna.

1047
00:43:54,241 --> 00:43:56,441
Speaker 1: Do something bad to me. Many water board me and

1048
00:43:56,481 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: thinks like this. I managed to get a pen pin

1049
00:43:59,041 --> 00:44:01,441
Speaker 1: off the dashboard, right. I thought, if he does anything,

1050
00:44:01,481 --> 00:44:02,481
Speaker 1: I'm just going to chat him.

1051
00:44:02,481 --> 00:44:06,241
Speaker 4: And then there's a war you I mean, and I

1052
00:44:06,441 --> 00:44:10,881
Speaker 4: end up coming did this pad padlock gate and the

1053
00:44:10,881 --> 00:44:11,641
Speaker 4: guys looking at me.

1054
00:44:11,641 --> 00:44:13,841
Speaker 1: And I'm looking like this is not going to end well.

1055
00:44:14,321 --> 00:44:18,441
Speaker 4: And then we drove down all his rocket trucks, hummers, tanks,

1056
00:44:18,681 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: and get up in the morning and there's a familiar face.

1057
00:44:21,361 --> 00:44:23,481
Speaker 1: Two guys coming there. They had automatic.

1058
00:44:23,121 --> 00:44:26,481
Speaker 4: Weapons and they're coming across to a hummer and I

1059
00:44:26,561 --> 00:44:29,281
Speaker 4: went over to slone. They went, ah, the new guy,

1060
00:44:30,041 --> 00:44:31,241
Speaker 4: and they said, said, what are you up to you?

1061
00:44:31,881 --> 00:44:33,721
Speaker 4: What value do you add to our team? I went,

1062
00:44:34,361 --> 00:44:40,681
Speaker 4: I'm the priest, I'm the chaplain and they went, what

1063
00:44:41,161 --> 00:44:43,081
Speaker 4: I'm the priest, right, and they just laughed and got

1064
00:44:43,121 --> 00:44:44,761
Speaker 4: into the hummer and left.

1065
00:44:45,241 --> 00:44:47,801
Speaker 1: They left me in the camp, no one else to

1066
00:44:47,881 --> 00:44:50,721
Speaker 1: talk to you about some cat and the Artillerian. Do we

1067
00:44:50,721 --> 00:44:52,601
Speaker 1: get here? It going? What? Just god?

1068
00:44:52,641 --> 00:44:55,921
Speaker 4: This sucks coming to sit in the blinging in a paddock.

1069
00:44:56,761 --> 00:44:58,441
Speaker 4: And so the next day, right, I graved on my

1070
00:44:58,521 --> 00:45:00,081
Speaker 4: kid and these guys.

1071
00:44:59,841 --> 00:45:04,201
Speaker 1: Came out again. What happed to priest? I went, giving

1072
00:45:04,241 --> 00:45:07,201
Speaker 1: them mat you're getting in that you put what is

1073
00:45:07,241 --> 00:45:10,441
Speaker 1: in your hand Yep? Yeah, I follow one of these things,

1074
00:45:10,641 --> 00:45:11,201
Speaker 1: of course.

1075
00:45:11,921 --> 00:45:14,761
Speaker 4: And so bro I jumped into this vehicles twenty twenty two,

1076
00:45:15,201 --> 00:45:17,081
Speaker 4: and I could tell you, and these guys told everyone

1077
00:45:17,281 --> 00:45:18,361
Speaker 4: that Priest is crazy.

1078
00:45:18,441 --> 00:45:19,961
Speaker 1: He's not like any chapped with movement.

1079
00:45:20,841 --> 00:45:22,641
Speaker 4: The first day he went out, Bro, we got I've

1080
00:45:22,641 --> 00:45:24,921
Speaker 4: seen some video getting bombed in a bunker. We got

1081
00:45:25,001 --> 00:45:28,721
Speaker 4: chased across the pack by tanks right then getting along further.

1082
00:45:28,801 --> 00:45:30,641
Speaker 1: And then because I've been here for four years now,

1083
00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:33,281
Speaker 1: I met up with some people who have.

1084
00:45:33,321 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: An organization and they do evacuations and these are armed evacuations.

1085
00:45:38,481 --> 00:45:40,681
Speaker 1: They also do trafficking work. They do all sorts of stuff.

1086
00:45:40,721 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: So I jumped on board and I got really good

1087
00:45:43,441 --> 00:45:45,281
Speaker 4: at this sort of work. We're risking over sixty four

1088
00:45:45,321 --> 00:45:48,801
Speaker 4: thousand people at present. One of my vehicles is the

1089
00:45:48,801 --> 00:45:50,521
Speaker 4: front end has just been taken out. It's just been

1090
00:45:50,521 --> 00:45:52,401
Speaker 4: fixed now. So I'm trying to raise some money to

1091
00:45:52,401 --> 00:45:54,641
Speaker 4: fix out and trying to get some bulletproof vehicles. We've

1092
00:45:54,641 --> 00:45:57,361
Speaker 4: lost a lot of vehicles, We've had lives lost in them.

1093
00:45:57,401 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: I've seen some videos and drones going through the roof.

1094
00:46:00,081 --> 00:46:03,441
Speaker 4: Then every second day I'm usually out. Man, we're risking

1095
00:46:03,441 --> 00:46:05,241
Speaker 4: people five killing me they sit and killing them. It

1096
00:46:05,321 --> 00:46:08,561
Speaker 4: is to the front, you know, highly dangerous. There's jets,

1097
00:46:08,601 --> 00:46:13,361
Speaker 4: there's tanks, there's bombs, cabs, there's drones are the worst,

1098
00:46:13,401 --> 00:46:14,801
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And you just don't know

1099
00:46:14,841 --> 00:46:17,401
Speaker 4: what's in the area. There's a million soldiers on the front.

1100
00:46:18,081 --> 00:46:20,521
Speaker 4: So I forget taken captive. Man. There's no coming home

1101
00:46:20,521 --> 00:46:23,921
Speaker 4: from me, Man, we'd class there's mercenaries. Really, Russian has

1102
00:46:23,961 --> 00:46:26,601
Speaker 4: already put out every person who's probably look at our

1103
00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:27,361
Speaker 4: social media things.

1104
00:46:27,401 --> 00:46:30,281
Speaker 1: But like, you can't do anything to me, Neil, you know,

1105
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:31,241
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel alive.

1106
00:46:31,601 --> 00:46:34,241
Speaker 4: I don't hatred bidden in my heart towards people I

1107
00:46:34,321 --> 00:46:37,041
Speaker 4: just come here to serve a nation and the people I.

1108
00:46:37,041 --> 00:46:39,721
Speaker 1: Help, Soldiers, I help, I just help people. Men. They

1109
00:46:39,761 --> 00:46:40,561
Speaker 1: become my family.

1110
00:46:41,641 --> 00:46:43,521
Speaker 4: And you know, in my heart would be be good

1111
00:46:43,521 --> 00:46:46,121
Speaker 4: if dead people and paddocks would go home to their families,

1112
00:46:46,121 --> 00:46:48,561
Speaker 4: whether they're an enemy or not. I mean, I'm just

1113
00:46:48,641 --> 00:46:54,201
Speaker 4: serving the work that's rescuing old people, families, people who

1114
00:46:54,241 --> 00:46:55,401
Speaker 4: can't get out, you know what I mean.

1115
00:46:55,481 --> 00:46:59,121
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, that's that's an iNeST in a nutshell.

1116
00:46:59,201 --> 00:47:01,201
Speaker 2: Man, when'd you think it's going to ever end?

1117
00:47:02,201 --> 00:47:04,001
Speaker 1: Man? It's all the people who've got the money.

1118
00:47:04,001 --> 00:47:06,761
Speaker 4: Man, it's you know, there's this war doesn't really need

1119
00:47:06,841 --> 00:47:10,041
Speaker 4: humans anymore because the robots. It's like looking at the

1120
00:47:10,201 --> 00:47:13,361
Speaker 4: terminator come to life. From your terms obviously big money

1121
00:47:13,401 --> 00:47:15,761
Speaker 4: and war men, I'm not a politician ory thing like that,

1122
00:47:15,841 --> 00:47:19,001
Speaker 4: because we get to pick up people, especially kids and stuff. Man,

1123
00:47:19,401 --> 00:47:21,081
Speaker 4: they're going to leave their toys behind, They're got to

1124
00:47:21,121 --> 00:47:23,761
Speaker 4: leave their animals, their friends behind, They're going to leave

1125
00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:27,161
Speaker 4: their storybooks. And you know, the communities are just like

1126
00:47:27,241 --> 00:47:30,081
Speaker 4: ours in Australia and New Zealand. It's heart wrenching men,

1127
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:32,401
Speaker 4: having to watch old people who don't want to come

1128
00:47:32,441 --> 00:47:35,281
Speaker 4: out saying, like your building's not going to stand. They'll

1129
00:47:35,321 --> 00:47:37,561
Speaker 4: blow this building up. But they's a where you're going

1130
00:47:37,561 --> 00:47:39,681
Speaker 4: to take me to. And it's true, you know, I mean,

1131
00:47:39,761 --> 00:47:42,361
Speaker 4: that's not home to them. So these are common stories.

1132
00:47:42,361 --> 00:47:44,761
Speaker 4: Whenever we're going, Man, my heart tugs on. I look

1133
00:47:44,761 --> 00:47:47,241
Speaker 4: in the mirror all the time. I watch families hugging

1134
00:47:47,281 --> 00:47:50,401
Speaker 4: each other. Man, it's bringing heart wrenching watching them. They

1135
00:47:50,401 --> 00:47:52,561
Speaker 4: head a home, but now they don't. And if they

1136
00:47:52,601 --> 00:47:55,201
Speaker 4: don't stand up and fight for their freedom, they're just

1137
00:47:55,201 --> 00:47:56,281
Speaker 4: going to get exterminated.

1138
00:47:56,881 --> 00:47:59,081
Speaker 2: What's the worst you've come up against while you've.

1139
00:47:58,961 --> 00:48:03,201
Speaker 1: Been doing this, bro ih seeing padfuls of dead bodies.

1140
00:48:03,681 --> 00:48:06,721
Speaker 4: You know, Russians are losing up towenty to twelve hundred

1141
00:48:06,721 --> 00:48:09,681
Speaker 4: a day in the field. And so the promise of

1142
00:48:09,761 --> 00:48:12,761
Speaker 4: making money, Man, you just can't pick technology.

1143
00:48:12,801 --> 00:48:14,161
Speaker 1: Technology is just terrible.

1144
00:48:14,721 --> 00:48:14,801
Speaker 9: No.

1145
00:48:14,961 --> 00:48:17,281
Speaker 4: At present, we only have maybe two hours of power

1146
00:48:17,281 --> 00:48:21,681
Speaker 4: a day. Water is hard to run by. But I

1147
00:48:21,761 --> 00:48:23,241
Speaker 4: come here for a purpose, and I came here for

1148
00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:24,921
Speaker 4: a reason. I said to the Lord, I don't want

1149
00:48:24,921 --> 00:48:27,081
Speaker 4: to do my life and tell my story at churches,

1150
00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:30,041
Speaker 4: even though I speak in them. I wanted to serve

1151
00:48:30,081 --> 00:48:32,161
Speaker 4: in a hard place and if he wasn't with me.

1152
00:48:32,321 --> 00:48:34,721
Speaker 4: As in like, man, I've survived so many things. I

1153
00:48:34,761 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 4: mutually dead, but for some reason God's intervention, He's kept

1154
00:48:39,481 --> 00:48:41,241
Speaker 4: me here, do you know what I mean? And I've

1155
00:48:41,241 --> 00:48:44,921
Speaker 4: become a friend. There's so many people soldiers don't have

1156
00:48:44,961 --> 00:48:46,441
Speaker 4: it all together, man. A lot of these guys have

1157
00:48:46,481 --> 00:48:49,601
Speaker 4: seen some heavy shit man, and so like, if this

1158
00:48:49,721 --> 00:48:51,961
Speaker 4: is church for me, man, I'm happy for my brothers

1159
00:48:51,961 --> 00:48:53,681
Speaker 4: to come here, but he have a bear just to

1160
00:48:53,721 --> 00:48:57,441
Speaker 4: relax if they can, or just keep going in until

1161
00:48:58,241 --> 00:48:59,001
Speaker 4: till it stops.

1162
00:48:59,641 --> 00:49:02,721
Speaker 1: But how are you mentally? Ah? Bro?

1163
00:49:03,001 --> 00:49:05,281
Speaker 4: I love training, as you see, I love training, so

1164
00:49:05,281 --> 00:49:06,521
Speaker 4: I still train whenever I can.

1165
00:49:07,281 --> 00:49:09,961
Speaker 1: And you know, I learned I learned in the Bible

1166
00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:13,401
Speaker 1: said that Jesus took He took all this stuff, so

1167
00:49:13,441 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't really have to carry other.

1168
00:49:14,441 --> 00:49:16,841
Speaker 4: People's pain or suffering. But it's hard enough to think

1169
00:49:16,841 --> 00:49:19,201
Speaker 4: about some of the things I've heard, you know, because

1170
00:49:19,241 --> 00:49:21,041
Speaker 4: I have a mum and I have brothers and sisters

1171
00:49:21,041 --> 00:49:23,801
Speaker 4: their friends as well. But like I would choose anyone

1172
00:49:23,841 --> 00:49:25,721
Speaker 4: to try and make it the decision to come and

1173
00:49:25,801 --> 00:49:28,841
Speaker 4: try and fight a war in another country, man, because

1174
00:49:29,121 --> 00:49:30,361
Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of people who are

1175
00:49:30,361 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: messed up after this war. You know, you got people

1176
00:49:32,001 --> 00:49:34,841
Speaker 4: who are normal people doing normal jobs having to fight,

1177
00:49:35,361 --> 00:49:38,001
Speaker 4: you know, kill people, and then you know a lot

1178
00:49:38,001 --> 00:49:40,601
Speaker 4: of time to think about things after the wars finished.

1179
00:49:40,641 --> 00:49:41,921
Speaker 1: But like, man, I've got a lot.

1180
00:49:41,801 --> 00:49:44,401
Speaker 4: Of good friends and stuff like that, and I probably

1181
00:49:44,401 --> 00:49:46,041
Speaker 4: want to do what you're doing. I'd love to do

1182
00:49:46,041 --> 00:49:48,201
Speaker 4: a Ted Talks or something a way out where do

1183
00:49:48,281 --> 00:49:49,641
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Where I can share and

1184
00:49:49,761 --> 00:49:52,481
Speaker 4: introduce some really cool people that don't have social media,

1185
00:49:52,601 --> 00:49:55,721
Speaker 4: that are looking for cash injections for their projects, feeding

1186
00:49:55,721 --> 00:49:59,041
Speaker 4: the poor, clothing the homeless, rehabs, all those sorts of things.

1187
00:49:59,041 --> 00:50:01,121
Speaker 4: So I want to see if I can make a

1188
00:50:01,121 --> 00:50:04,081
Speaker 4: transition into a place and talk about kindness, generosity, what

1189
00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:08,041
Speaker 4: it looks like to see of hard things, how to

1190
00:50:08,081 --> 00:50:11,601
Speaker 4: participate work with You know, it's not about me, owen.

1191
00:50:11,841 --> 00:50:13,921
Speaker 4: You know, my story is just like many other stories

1192
00:50:13,961 --> 00:50:16,401
Speaker 4: that you're going to get. There's someone's life story. So

1193
00:50:16,401 --> 00:50:18,561
Speaker 4: I just didn't sit there and do nothing. I was

1194
00:50:18,561 --> 00:50:21,001
Speaker 4: the first five I one kicked out of Australia, you

1195
00:50:21,041 --> 00:50:23,521
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And so you can become whatever

1196
00:50:23,561 --> 00:50:25,961
Speaker 4: you want to be. My thing with people is you

1197
00:50:26,001 --> 00:50:29,241
Speaker 4: need mentoring. You need to communicate with people who can

1198
00:50:29,321 --> 00:50:31,681
Speaker 4: speak into your life. You're gonna be honest when you

1199
00:50:31,761 --> 00:50:33,961
Speaker 4: speak with people who can add value to it.

1200
00:50:34,321 --> 00:50:35,881
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? When? Why? How?

1201
00:50:35,961 --> 00:50:38,281
Speaker 4: All that sorts of stuff? Sometimes say how are you feeling?

1202
00:50:38,321 --> 00:50:40,841
Speaker 4: I feel like fucking shit. I've seen some terrible shit. Well,

1203
00:50:40,881 --> 00:50:42,801
Speaker 4: how do you deal with that? And so this process

1204
00:50:42,841 --> 00:50:45,361
Speaker 4: is to a lot of things. But this is where

1205
00:50:45,361 --> 00:50:47,601
Speaker 4: I am for now. But at some states, Man, I'd

1206
00:50:47,681 --> 00:50:49,321
Speaker 4: like to be doing what you're doing, and that's to

1207
00:50:49,361 --> 00:50:52,641
Speaker 4: help people. You know, someone someone who's down in the pits,

1208
00:50:52,881 --> 00:50:55,321
Speaker 4: they say his life has ended. Is a drug addict,

1209
00:50:55,521 --> 00:50:57,961
Speaker 4: is a drunk. You know you can amount to something.

1210
00:50:58,001 --> 00:50:59,921
Speaker 4: You could do something in your life and you know

1211
00:50:59,961 --> 00:51:02,241
Speaker 4: the doors can open up to Australia. I'm no threat

1212
00:51:02,281 --> 00:51:04,481
Speaker 4: to anybody anymore, do you know what I mean? So

1213
00:51:04,841 --> 00:51:07,801
Speaker 4: I had to prove myself that I was trustworthy to

1214
00:51:07,841 --> 00:51:11,361
Speaker 4: receive money, to receive this, and that I've met billionaires.

1215
00:51:11,361 --> 00:51:14,841
Speaker 4: Prime minister's head to state doesn't matter to me. Everyone

1216
00:51:15,041 --> 00:51:17,561
Speaker 4: is just a name, you know what I mean. I'm

1217
00:51:17,561 --> 00:51:22,161
Speaker 4: just owing you only regrets, no regrets. Brother for you,

1218
00:51:22,241 --> 00:51:23,761
Speaker 4: if you're in a place and you have no If

1219
00:51:23,761 --> 00:51:26,321
Speaker 4: you have regrets, then you're always thinking about what would

1220
00:51:26,321 --> 00:51:26,601
Speaker 4: have been.

1221
00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:29,641
Speaker 1: If I hadn't my manner I had have set on

1222
00:51:29,681 --> 00:51:31,241
Speaker 1: the lists, I wouldn't be here today. So I don't

1223
00:51:31,281 --> 00:51:34,401
Speaker 1: regret it because I get to speak to a lot

1224
00:51:34,441 --> 00:51:34,841
Speaker 1: of people.

1225
00:51:34,921 --> 00:51:38,081
Speaker 4: Man, give them some encouragement, give them some sound words

1226
00:51:38,081 --> 00:51:40,641
Speaker 4: of advice, or just say nothing and be a friend.

1227
00:51:41,001 --> 00:51:43,081
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to have friends. Brother.

1228
00:51:43,321 --> 00:51:45,001
Speaker 4: A lot of people in this world are too afraid

1229
00:51:45,041 --> 00:51:48,121
Speaker 4: to speak up to us for help, and so these

1230
00:51:48,161 --> 00:51:52,081
Speaker 4: platforms that you're running now should be an opportunity to

1231
00:51:52,121 --> 00:51:53,401
Speaker 4: direct people to some help.

1232
00:51:54,201 --> 00:51:57,081
Speaker 1: Before we go, describe yourself in one word.

1233
00:51:58,521 --> 00:52:08,441
Speaker 9: Naughty, naughty, still naughty, Yeah, they say, they say on

1234
00:52:08,481 --> 00:52:10,961
Speaker 9: the six days, be nord to be on the.

1235
00:52:10,921 --> 00:52:17,641
Speaker 4: Seventh day, Jesus forgive me. Listen, if I came across

1236
00:52:17,681 --> 00:52:19,041
Speaker 4: any other way, do you know what I mean? My

1237
00:52:19,081 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: friends will say he's changed. I haven't changed the one.

1238
00:52:21,481 --> 00:52:23,481
Speaker 4: But you know, I don't try and convince people that

1239
00:52:23,481 --> 00:52:25,481
Speaker 4: they should love Jesus. He came to me in that

1240
00:52:25,521 --> 00:52:29,001
Speaker 4: past of man that means something to me. Saved my life, So.

1241
00:52:29,041 --> 00:52:31,121
Speaker 2: You you actually are grateful that he came out of

1242
00:52:31,161 --> 00:52:34,161
Speaker 2: your life, for sure, for sure.

1243
00:52:34,801 --> 00:52:37,241
Speaker 1: Taught me again that there's something greater than than than

1244
00:52:37,361 --> 00:52:37,921
Speaker 1: just yourself.

1245
00:52:37,961 --> 00:52:39,921
Speaker 4: We us together as a better story than me, myself

1246
00:52:39,961 --> 00:52:41,961
Speaker 4: and I stories I share with you.

1247
00:52:42,041 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Man, there's lots of people involved in me being able

1248
00:52:44,481 --> 00:52:45,601
Speaker 1: to do good stuff.

1249
00:52:45,281 --> 00:52:49,121
Speaker 4: Because of people pray obviously, people finance so I can

1250
00:52:49,161 --> 00:52:50,121
Speaker 4: get stuff for things.

1251
00:52:50,721 --> 00:52:53,321
Speaker 1: So you know, I get to tell a huge story.

1252
00:52:53,481 --> 00:52:55,801
Speaker 4: We're going to tell stories, good stories, men, which which

1253
00:52:55,841 --> 00:52:57,281
Speaker 4: promote kindness and generosity.

1254
00:52:57,281 --> 00:53:00,201
Speaker 1: Brocus enough bad. Shouldn't this world manager to sink people?

1255
00:53:00,281 --> 00:53:01,761
Speaker 4: You know what I mean to think, you know, go

1256
00:53:01,841 --> 00:53:03,561
Speaker 4: and net themselves, go and shoot themselves.

1257
00:53:03,801 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Life can be worth while living.

1258
00:53:05,081 --> 00:53:08,801
Speaker 4: Then, I'm living proof that's something so deranged and so

1259
00:53:09,481 --> 00:53:10,361
Speaker 4: unwanted and.

1260
00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:12,841
Speaker 1: Un loved kid can become something yummy.

1261
00:53:14,561 --> 00:53:16,641
Speaker 4: H h h