1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: From the newsroom. A news still come to me today. There, 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Buckalow. Well, this weekend, the eyes of the 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: world will be on Alaskar as Donald Trump and Vladimir 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Putin meet face to face to discuss the war in Ukraine. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to be telling him, you gotta end this war. 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: You got to end it. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: So will Putin listen to Trump or as the Russian 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: president of viewing this purely as a photo op. And 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: if the leaders do work out a deal together, will 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Ukraine's Volta Mezzelenski even accept it given he wasn't invited 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: to the negotiating table. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: I'd like to see the best deal that could be 13 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: made for both parties. You know, it takes two to tango. Right. 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: In just a moment, we'll speak to an expert about 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: what's really at stake and what might or might not 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: come out of this summit. I'm joined now by Dr 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Matthew Sussex from A and U, who is a leading 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: expert on strategic policy. Thank you so much for joining me. 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: Thanks Andrew. 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: This big summit between Donald Trump and Vladimir put and 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: how has it come about? 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: Well, look, a lot of back and forth and a 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: lot of extensions on Vladimir Putin's homework from Donald Trump. 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: He's been telling Putin he's got two weeks, two weeks, 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: two weeks, fifty days for a while now to get 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: serious about peace in Ukraine. There was a recent meeting 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: between Stephen Wikoff, who's Trump's sort of lead on Russia 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Ukraine stuff, with senior bureaucrats and politicians in Moscow about 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: a week ago, and they decided on this summit in Alaska, 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: which has come about all very very quickly. 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: Well, is it unusual for a summit like this to 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: be organized so quickly. 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, summits normally take months and months of planning 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: and agreements over the agenda, agreements over who comes, agreements 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: over who speaks first, what served for lunch, all those 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: kinds of things. So this is quite rapid. And I 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: think also the thing about this summit is that it 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: is normally given as a gift, as a favor, you know, 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: and it signals that a country really wants to do 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: business and wants to improve relations. And given that it's 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: happening on American soil, this is a signal from Washington, 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: d C. That it wants to thaw out the relationship 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: with Moscow. 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: So you mentioned there it's happening on US soil, it's 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: happening in Alaska. That's roughly an eight to nine hour 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: flight for both Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Why Alaska, Well. 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: There's a lot of domestic politics on both sides. I 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: think here the Americans will say, well, Alaska is very 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: close to Russia, and of course Russia sold Alaska to America. 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: So the American position will be, well, you know, we're 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: kind of pointing out to Moscow that this is our 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: territory and that it's close to you. As on the 53 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: Russian side, the view will be of Vladimir Putin is 54 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: coming to Russian territory. There even billboards going up in 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: and around Moscow saying Alaska is Russian and we will 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: take it from the Americans. So both sides are playing 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: this in terms of the history of it, and I 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: think that's why, you know, the venue was appealing to 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: both sides, because they can extract some domestic value out 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: of it. 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: I've been reading online a few mentions that perhaps there 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: weren't many places in the world where Vladimir Putin could 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: travel for a summit because of an arrest warrant that 64 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: is out for him from the ICC. Can you tell 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: me more about that. 66 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about one hundred and twenty five countries in 67 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: the world where Vladimir Putin can't go unless he wants 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: to risk arrest and be sent to the dock in 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: the Hague. Look, realistically, if Putin wanted to go somewhere, 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: he wouldn't be arrested because that would bring down the 71 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: might of the Russian diplomatic machine, economic machine, sabotage and 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: disinformation machine, not to mention it's miller. So you know 73 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: Putin would signal, yeah, I want to go to Paris, 74 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: for instance, and just be told no, you're not welcome. 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: American soil is a place that they could meet. But 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: then some of the other alternatives aren't all that appealing 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: North Korea, for instance, or China, and I don't think 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 3: that either of those places would be very palatable. 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump, what does he want from this meeting? 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: What's he hoping for? 81 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: Well, Trump wants a speedy resolution to the conflict, and 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: he doesn't seem to really mind how it comes about, because, 83 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 3: of course, before taking office, he said he could fix 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: the war in one day and he's overshot that by 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: about two hundred days, and I think it's something that's 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: probably praying on him. So he wants some kind of deal, 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: some kind of agreement. Whether he gets it or not, 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: you know, is an open question. Frankly, I doubt it, 89 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: but you know, the optics of him meeting with Putin 90 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: will serve very much his kind of desire to be 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: seen with strong leaders and strong leaders coming to him 92 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 3: to negotiate peace. And of course, since he also wants 93 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 3: a Nobel Peace Prize, this is something which he might 94 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: think might burnish his crudentials. 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: We're going to have a meeting with Vladimir Putin, and 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: at the end of that meeting, probably in the first 97 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: two minutes, I'll know exactly whether or not a deal 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: can be wall because that's what I do, make deals. 99 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: What's the definition of a good deal? I'll tell you 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: after I hear what the dealer is, because there could 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: be many definitions. You know, you're talking about a very 102 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: large and complex situation. 103 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: And from Vladimir Putin's point of view, what does he 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: want from this meeting? 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: Oh? 106 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: I think Putin, on the one hand, is very happy 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: with the optics of being seen with Trump being treated 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: as an equal going to a place where you know, 109 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: Trump has had to travel a fair way to get there, 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: not Washington, DC. So it you know, marks that that 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: he is being respected by the most powerful country in 112 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: the world. And on the other hand, I think also 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: it's an opportunity to engage in high level talks and 114 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: make no real promises. One thing that's consistent about Putin 115 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: is that he has not changed his bargaining position one iota. 116 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: So you know, if out of this summit comes a 117 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: statement that you know, great things were discussed and great 118 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: things were achieved, but nothing really happens suits Putin because 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: he's just kicked a can down the road and can 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: continue prosecuting his war in Ukraine. 121 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: This is really a feel out meeting a little bit, 122 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: and President Putin invaded me to get involved. I believe 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: he wants to get it over with now. I've said 124 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: that a few times that I've been disappointed because they 125 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: have like a great call with him, and then missiles 126 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: would be lobbed in Tikiev for some other place, and 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: you'd have sixty people laying on a road dying. I said, 128 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: that's called that's called now. 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: Putin and Trump are getting together to discuss the war 130 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. But here's the thing. Cranian leader of Voladimir Zelenski, 131 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: hasn't even been invited. 132 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: Vladimirzelinski is not invaded on who wasn't a part of it. 133 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: I would say he could go, but he's gone to 134 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: a lot of meetings. You know, he's been there for 135 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: three and a half years, nothing happened. 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: Zelenski has been critical of this summon in the press. 137 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: He's called it a personal victory for Putin to be 138 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: on US soil. Dr Matthew Is that a fair statement 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: from him. 140 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it is. Look to be honest, Donald Trump 141 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: has had numerous opportunities to put real pressure on Putin, 142 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: whether that's through sanctions directly on Russia, whether it's through 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: sanctions against the so called ghost fleet of tankers that 144 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: continues to go around the world selling Russian oil, and 145 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: in a variety of other leavers. And since taking office, 146 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: Trump has not initiated one new punishment against Russia directly 147 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: and seems not to want to take that opportunity. And 148 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: giving him this stage, that stage in Alaska, with this 149 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: big meeting between world leaders, really is a pr coup 150 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: from Moscow more than anything else. 151 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, Donald Trump has already revealed what he'll do as 152 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: soon as his meeting with Vladimir Putin is over. If 153 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: it goes well, we'll find out what that is in 154 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: just a moment. Welcome back. I'm chatting to A and 155 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: U's doctor, Matthew Sussex about Donald Trump's meeting with Vladimir 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Putin in Alaska this weekend Australian time, where the pair 157 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: will sit down to discuss the war in Ukraine. 158 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: I think we'll have constructive conversations. Then after that meeting, immediately, 159 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: maybe as I'm flying out, maybe as I'm leaving the room, 160 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: I'll be calling the European leaders, who I get along 161 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: with very well. And you know, I have a great 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: relationship I think with all of them, and I get 163 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: along with Zelenski, but you know, I disagree with what 164 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: he's done, very very severely disagree. This is a war 165 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: that should have never happened, wouldn't have happened. But I'll 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: be speaking to Zelenski. The next meeting will be with 167 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: Zelenski and Putin, or Zelenskin putting to me, I'll be 168 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: there if they need, but I want to have a 169 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: meeting set up between the two leaders. Ultimately, I'm going 170 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: to put the two of them in a room. I'll 171 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: be there or won't be there, and I think it'll 172 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: get solved. 173 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: How likely is it that there will be any real 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: breakthrough without Ukraine there in the original meeting? 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think it's extremely unlikely. I think it'll 176 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: be much more likely that Trump will agree to a 177 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: deal with pout end for peace that that really really 178 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: hurts Ukraine and really hurts European security, and then they 179 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: will use that afterwards to put the pressure on Zelenski 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: and say well, he doesn't really want peace, and put 181 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: pressure on the Europeans to say, well, they don't really 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: want peace, which is very convenient given that they weren't 183 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: in the room doing the negotiating. So ultimately, I'm not 184 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: very optimistic about what comes from this summit, and not 185 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: really optimistic about previous American statements and positions on wanting 186 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: Ukraine to be able to be a free, sovereign and 187 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: strong state. 188 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: So from the sounds, but this thing is probably going 189 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: to be more of a photo op of bromance rather 190 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: than a serious diplomatic negotiation. Is that fair? 191 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: Ah? 192 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look at the top level. It is whether or 193 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: not anything else gets discussed. On the sidelines. The Trump 194 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: administration is keen to see some relaxation of sanctions on 195 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: Russia because it sees America Russian trade as something that 196 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: could be really productive, lucrative. Ultimately, you know, I'd be very, 197 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 3: very surprised if something came out of this that was 198 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: palatable to Kiev and palatable to Brussels as well. 199 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: There'll be some swapping, there'll be some changes in land. 200 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: And the word that there were used is, you know, 201 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: they make changes. We're going to change the lines, the 202 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: battle lines. Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine and 203 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: they've occupied some very prime territory. We're going to try 204 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: and get some of the territory back for Ukraine. 205 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump has been accused of closing up to 206 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin in the past. It looks like that could 207 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: be happening again. What kind of political impact could this 208 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: meeting have back in the US for Donald Trump? 209 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's just likely to reinforce existing divides within 210 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: American politics. You know, there are some in the United 211 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 3: States who will agree with Trump whatever he says. Even so, 212 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: amongst a bunch of Republicans. The majority of Republicans think 213 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: that the United States should continue to assist Ukraine and 214 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: think that, you know, the United States should not become 215 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: a de facto ally or partner of the Russian Federation. 216 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: So it is likely to sort of consolidate that more. 217 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: But realistically, whether that puts any damp through at all 218 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: on Trump's decision to do whatever he wants is something 219 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: that's really question. I'm not sure really it will. 220 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Well, we wait with baited breath to see what happens 221 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: in Alaska between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Doctor Matthew Sussex, 222 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking us through it. 223 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: My pleasure, Andrews, thanks for having me. 224 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: Well, if you want to know what goes down this weekend, 225 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: head to news dot com dot au. We're gonna have 226 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: live coverage and analysis of the summit for you. All right, 227 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. I'll chat to you 228 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: again next week. Follow us, subscribe to from the newsroom 229 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.