Speaker 1: I don't like him. I don't dislike him. I don't
Speaker 1: respect him. I don't disrespect him. He's just a guy
Speaker 1: I saw on the front page of the newspaper for
Speaker 1: the first time four months ago, who happened to get
Speaker 1: my mother pregnant.
Speaker 2: This is the voice of Lee, a woman now in
Speaker 2: her early fifties. She's the daughter of John Winfield. She's
Speaker 2: the product of a relationship he had as a teenager
Speaker 2: with a girl in Sydney's sutherland Shire. Lee is speaking
Speaker 2: in episode thirteen of Bromwyn, which is live now for
Speaker 2: the Australian subscribers at bromwynpodcast dot com.
Speaker 3: That's all he is to me. He'll never be my dad.
Speaker 1: He'll never be my father, will never be mates, will
Speaker 1: never sit.
Speaker 3: Down and have a copper together.
Speaker 1: I'll never break bread with him, purely because my grandmother
Speaker 1: would be disgusted in me if I did.
Speaker 2: I'm Claire Harvey from The Australian. What you just heard
Speaker 2: is a small snippet from episode thirteen of Bromwyn, and
Speaker 2: in a moment will bring you a little more of
Speaker 2: this gripping interview that changes our picture of Bromwyn. Winfield's
Speaker 2: husband John over at bromwynpodcast dot com. Our subscribers are
Speaker 2: already listening to episode thirteen. That's the first episode of
Speaker 2: season two. Episodes eleven and twelve are also there, by
Speaker 2: the way. They are subscriber exclusives, and they're where Headley,
Speaker 2: Mattie Walsh and I dig into some of the big
Speaker 2: questions raised by season one. Episode thirteen and the rest
Speaker 2: of season two will be subscriber first. That means, just
Speaker 2: like season one, you'll be able to hear those episodes
Speaker 2: right here wherever you listen to podcasts, but not until
Speaker 2: a fortnite after our subscribers have heard them. That's because
Speaker 2: subscriptions are the only way we can fund the kind
Speaker 2: of deep, painstaking investigative journalism Headley darts. We're so grateful
Speaker 2: to our loyal subscribers, and we reward them with early
Speaker 2: access to episodes and some special bonus episodes like eleven
Speaker 2: and twelve. Now I'm going to play you a little
Speaker 2: more of what our subscribers are hearing right now at
Speaker 2: Bromwin podcast dot com. Here's Headley.
Speaker 4: This first episode of season two is the story of
Speaker 4: a woman fathered by John, a woman who wants nothing
Speaker 4: to do with her father apart from her objective to
Speaker 4: help Bromwin and her family get justice.
Speaker 2: We hear Headley with Mattie Walsh. She's Bromwin's cousin and
Speaker 2: someone who's been an invaluable help to Headley in this investigation.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, that's fine. Saturday morning. Saturday morning.
Speaker 4: Tell me about this Facebook message?
Speaker 5: Well, I actually got it at five pm yesterday, but
Speaker 5: I didn't process it until today. I got a message
Speaker 5: in my message request from a lady called Sonya and
Speaker 5: it says, Hello Andy and Maddie ree jw Does Jodie
Speaker 5: realize she is not his firstborn child? I'm asking you
Speaker 5: this as if she does, great, but if not, then
Speaker 5: I'm thinking that could throw a spanner in the works
Speaker 5: of her bond with her father. Perhaps the words needed
Speaker 5: for her and Lauren to question his truths pre nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy two. I don't really have any info on him,
Speaker 5: except that the look in his eye and the way
Speaker 5: he treated women as a seventeen year old was not
Speaker 5: well received by a certain fifteen year old girl's mother,
Speaker 5: my grandmother.
Speaker 2: This is the first contact from Lee, who will latter
Speaker 2: sit down for a powerful interview in which she tells Hedley.
Speaker 2: She previously went by the name Sonya. She's a fiercely
Speaker 2: smart woman who ultimately agrees to talk to Headley about
Speaker 2: her story, a story she's kept very close for her
Speaker 2: entire life. In a way, the truth is as plain
Speaker 2: as Lee's face, because, as we hear in episode thirteen,
Speaker 2: she is the image of her biological father, John Winfield.
Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw his face was on
Speaker 1: the front page of.
Speaker 6: Istra When you saw the man you know is your
Speaker 6: father for the first time, it was a photograph of him.
Speaker 6: In relation to this podcast, Romman correct must have come
Speaker 6: as quite a shop.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I text my mom strayed away and said.
Speaker 3: I'm growing my hair. You've just taken your cat.
Speaker 6: Often when I first saw you downstairs in the lobby,
Speaker 6: it was struck by the likeness.
Speaker 3: That part with my mum has been difficult.
Speaker 1: There's a photo on my great aunt's TV and it's
Speaker 1: a photo of me in a school uniform at twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen. And that photo on the front page where
Speaker 1: it has a mustache when he's younger, that's me.
Speaker 3: That is that photo less than mustache.
Speaker 1: And until I saw that, I never actually got what
Speaker 1: Mom was saying, because sometimes she'd say to me, oh,
Speaker 1: for God's sake, can you go and put a shirt
Speaker 1: on it? I just can't see your arms or your
Speaker 1: shoulders because I'm that much.
Speaker 3: For her, a resemblance you.
Speaker 6: Said before that you were very hopeful there would be
Speaker 6: a good outcome.
Speaker 3: What do you believe is a good outcome for the girls?
Speaker 1: Then, knowing what happened to Bronwin, the glued, the bad,
Speaker 1: the ugly, whatever it may be, they deserve to know
Speaker 1: there's got to be the heaviest load.
Speaker 3: For them to carry.
Speaker 2: Episode thirteen of Bronwyn is available right now at bronwynpodcast
Speaker 2: dot com, where the Australian subscribers get to listen first.
Speaker 2: Over this weekend of October twelve and thirteen, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: we'll also be releasing episode fourteen. Join us at bronwynpodcast
Speaker 2: dot com