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Speaker 1: I don't like him. I don't dislike him. I don't

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Speaker 1: respect him. I don't disrespect him. He's just a guy

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Speaker 1: I saw on the front page of the newspaper for

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Speaker 1: the first time four months ago, who happened to get

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Speaker 1: my mother pregnant.

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Speaker 2: This is the voice of Lee, a woman now in

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Speaker 2: her early fifties. She's the daughter of John Winfield. She's

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Speaker 2: the product of a relationship he had as a teenager

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Speaker 2: with a girl in Sydney's sutherland Shire. Lee is speaking

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Speaker 2: in episode thirteen of Bromwyn, which is live now for

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Speaker 2: the Australian subscribers at bromwynpodcast dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's all he is to me. He'll never be my dad.

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Speaker 1: He'll never be my father, will never be mates, will

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Speaker 1: never sit.

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Speaker 3: Down and have a copper together.

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Speaker 1: I'll never break bread with him, purely because my grandmother

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Speaker 1: would be disgusted in me if I did.

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Speaker 2: I'm Claire Harvey from The Australian. What you just heard

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Speaker 2: is a small snippet from episode thirteen of Bromwyn, and

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Speaker 2: in a moment will bring you a little more of

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Speaker 2: this gripping interview that changes our picture of Bromwyn. Winfield's

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Speaker 2: husband John over at bromwynpodcast dot com. Our subscribers are

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Speaker 2: already listening to episode thirteen. That's the first episode of

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Speaker 2: season two. Episodes eleven and twelve are also there, by

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Speaker 2: the way. They are subscriber exclusives, and they're where Headley,

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Speaker 2: Mattie Walsh and I dig into some of the big

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Speaker 2: questions raised by season one. Episode thirteen and the rest

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Speaker 2: of season two will be subscriber first. That means, just

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Speaker 2: like season one, you'll be able to hear those episodes

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Speaker 2: right here wherever you listen to podcasts, but not until

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Speaker 2: a fortnite after our subscribers have heard them. That's because

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Speaker 2: subscriptions are the only way we can fund the kind

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Speaker 2: of deep, painstaking investigative journalism Headley darts. We're so grateful

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Speaker 2: to our loyal subscribers, and we reward them with early

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Speaker 2: access to episodes and some special bonus episodes like eleven

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Speaker 2: and twelve. Now I'm going to play you a little

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Speaker 2: more of what our subscribers are hearing right now at

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Speaker 2: Bromwin podcast dot com. Here's Headley.

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Speaker 4: This first episode of season two is the story of

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Speaker 4: a woman fathered by John, a woman who wants nothing

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Speaker 4: to do with her father apart from her objective to

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Speaker 4: help Bromwin and her family get justice.

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Speaker 2: We hear Headley with Mattie Walsh. She's Bromwin's cousin and

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Speaker 2: someone who's been an invaluable help to Headley in this investigation.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, that's fine. Saturday morning. Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: Tell me about this Facebook message?

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Speaker 5: Well, I actually got it at five pm yesterday, but

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Speaker 5: I didn't process it until today. I got a message

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Speaker 5: in my message request from a lady called Sonya and

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Speaker 5: it says, Hello Andy and Maddie ree jw Does Jodie

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Speaker 5: realize she is not his firstborn child? I'm asking you

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Speaker 5: this as if she does, great, but if not, then

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking that could throw a spanner in the works

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Speaker 5: of her bond with her father. Perhaps the words needed

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Speaker 5: for her and Lauren to question his truths pre nineteen

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Speaker 5: seventy two. I don't really have any info on him,

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Speaker 5: except that the look in his eye and the way

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Speaker 5: he treated women as a seventeen year old was not

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Speaker 5: well received by a certain fifteen year old girl's mother,

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Speaker 5: my grandmother.

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Speaker 2: This is the first contact from Lee, who will latter

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Speaker 2: sit down for a powerful interview in which she tells Hedley.

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Speaker 2: She previously went by the name Sonya. She's a fiercely

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Speaker 2: smart woman who ultimately agrees to talk to Headley about

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Speaker 2: her story, a story she's kept very close for her

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Speaker 2: entire life. In a way, the truth is as plain

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Speaker 2: as Lee's face, because, as we hear in episode thirteen,

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Speaker 2: she is the image of her biological father, John Winfield.

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw his face was on

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Speaker 1: the front page of.

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Speaker 6: Istra When you saw the man you know is your

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Speaker 6: father for the first time, it was a photograph of him.

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Speaker 6: In relation to this podcast, Romman correct must have come

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Speaker 6: as quite a shop.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I text my mom strayed away and said.

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Speaker 3: I'm growing my hair. You've just taken your cat.

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Speaker 6: Often when I first saw you downstairs in the lobby,

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Speaker 3: That part with my mum has been difficult.

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Speaker 1: There's a photo on my great aunt's TV and it's

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Speaker 1: a photo of me in a school uniform at twelve

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Speaker 1: it has a mustache when he's younger, that's me.

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Speaker 3: That is that photo less than mustache.

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Speaker 1: And until I saw that, I never actually got what

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Speaker 1: Mom was saying, because sometimes she'd say to me, oh,

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Speaker 1: for God's sake, can you go and put a shirt

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Speaker 1: on it? I just can't see your arms or your

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Speaker 3: For her, a resemblance you.

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Speaker 6: Said before that you were very hopeful there would be

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Speaker 6: a good outcome.

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Speaker 3: What do you believe is a good outcome for the girls?

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Speaker 1: Then, knowing what happened to Bronwin, the glued, the bad,

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Speaker 1: the ugly, whatever it may be, they deserve to know

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Speaker 1: there's got to be the heaviest load.

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Speaker 3: For them to carry.

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Speaker 2: Episode thirteen of Bronwyn is available right now at bronwynpodcast

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Speaker 2: dot com, where the Australian subscribers get to listen first.

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Speaker 2: Over this weekend of October twelve and thirteen, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: we'll also be releasing episode fourteen. Join us at bronwynpodcast

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Speaker 2: dot com