WEBVTT - #1985 Are EV'S Worth It? - Patrick Bonello

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<v Speaker 1>I get a tamt you project.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Tiffany and Cook, Patrick, James Bonello and me with

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<v Speaker 2>a beanie up at typ Central. That's how cold it

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<v Speaker 2>is in my little studio at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it warm where you are?

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick, Well, it was three degrees when I took Fritzy

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<v Speaker 3>out for a walk. But I had the forethought to

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<v Speaker 3>put the heater on in my studio, so it was

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<v Speaker 3>actually so warm.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had to take all my clothes off.

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<v Speaker 3>I've taken my market, my hoodie. I'm just sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>a black T shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I dared to take your black T shirt off.

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<v Speaker 3>Take you black, teach, Just do the topless show only

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<v Speaker 3>if all three of us do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, definitely not, because that would be inappropriate, because nobody

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<v Speaker 2>needs to see my tits.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't thinking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, well, so many funny things I could say right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Say no to them.

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<v Speaker 4>I can say enormously they wasn't fit on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I actually think I might win the breast

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<v Speaker 2>competition at typ Central, But you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's we probably don't need that competition.

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<v Speaker 3>He's probably right if you see what he just looks like,

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<v Speaker 3>he's what it is when you start to put a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of flab on and then you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>wear across your heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Me yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, or yeah, or I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to gaffer take my cans up to my fucking clavicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so they stay somewhere near horizontal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You get to a point where everything just starts

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<v Speaker 2>falling down, right, even if you're in good shape, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like sh it's just falling down. Everything's pointing towards

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<v Speaker 2>your feet. This is a tech podcast, right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well I'm technically correct with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, true. And gravity is a thing that does affect

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<v Speaker 3>every wobbly bit, that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you drinking over there? A roll with a

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<v Speaker 1>punch of central.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got ginger tea cup of ginger tea this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>That is that meant to have some kind of medicinal

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<v Speaker 2>therapeutic calm your farm kind of vibe about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just trying to calm my soul down a bit,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. I feel like I could do with some

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<v Speaker 5>of that at times.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have a xanax casserole in the fridge that

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<v Speaker 2>you can heat up at any time, just a little

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<v Speaker 2>cutless poonfuls.

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<v Speaker 5>It probably wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what xanax is, Patrick, He looks confused.

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<v Speaker 4>You look confused, No idea what xenx is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an anti anxiotic drug, so it's a drug for anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>That was me being funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never.

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<v Speaker 2>Recommend a xenax castrole, more like a xanax sandwich. But

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<v Speaker 2>cast roles never. So are just fucking with you. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you take any medication regularly? Patrick, with your healthy, lean body?

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<v Speaker 3>No, just just some supplements, you know, got to keep

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<v Speaker 3>my eyron up in my BEE twelve, try to get

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<v Speaker 3>as much in just food. But I do take supplements

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<v Speaker 3>and vitamin D. I have a terrible vitamin D deficiency. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>never going in the sun and being as pale as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I think I'm not as pale as you, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still pretty pale.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's good for B twelve? What's that cow?

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<v Speaker 4>I knew you're going to say that cow beef.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get some of that into you. I won't tell anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>We won't tell anyone. We'll keep it quiet. It'll be

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<v Speaker 2>our little type, just the listeners. Us goes no further Patrick,

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<v Speaker 2>had a hamburger.

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<v Speaker 4>No, well the thing okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Gorillas, Oh, I shouldn't have opened this door. No, don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>In the world, and they're veget they're vegan as well.

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<v Speaker 3>What is rhinoceros like the giant gorillas.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to fucking shock you, but you're not

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<v Speaker 2>a rhinoceros.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro King Kong climbed all that way up.

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<v Speaker 2>Never that's true. Well, that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you eat people in the movie?

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<v Speaker 1>No, just climb.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the fucking Empire State building and swatted biplanes.

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<v Speaker 5>What brand of iron supplements did they take.

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<v Speaker 1>At the day?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was the TV they what all?

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<v Speaker 3>They just?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, they didn't need it because they plant. They were

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<v Speaker 5>built to eat plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, gorillas et seventy pounds of fruit to day.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm about one hundredth of the size of

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<v Speaker 3>the gorilla, despite my outward appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll come over to your joint and stand behind

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<v Speaker 2>you and pick knits off your back and out of

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<v Speaker 2>your hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone said to me once my arms were disproportionately longer

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<v Speaker 3>than the rest of my body, and I put it

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<v Speaker 3>down to my family just climbing down from the trees

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<v Speaker 3>later than everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're fifteen percent orangutan, just like tips thirty percent, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've all got our heritage and our genetic.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, given the color of her hair, she's probably got

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of a rangutank in there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll tell people what TIF looks like the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's quite She keeps saying, Oh, I haven't changed anything.

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<v Speaker 4>She's studying. She's so hot? Is can I say that?

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<v Speaker 4>I've just said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're a gay dude, you can say that,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you're a straight dude, you can't. Because isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it funny that telling somebody that they're attractive is a

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<v Speaker 2>big no no.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not tell them that you're a pig?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it depends on the context as well, on the

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<v Speaker 3>way you say it. Does it potentially not a good idea?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not what we're talking about, you know, leaning

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<v Speaker 2>over a fucking some kind of fence on a building site,

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<v Speaker 2>fucking just with all your mates, just dribbling down the

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<v Speaker 2>front of your big m T shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that doesn't I hope it doesn't happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think do you think that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Tif, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>If you read your red rang our curly hair.

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<v Speaker 5>It couldn't be better.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've got one gay bloke that wants to grope you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's winning.

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<v Speaker 5>They're my favorite that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he doesn't really favorite boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 5>They're the only one I like back.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to give her a heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? You two would be the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>couple of all time because you're never going to have

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<v Speaker 2>sex problems. And when you go to if I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>off for a route, she'll be like to see you

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<v Speaker 2>when you get back, I make a casse role and

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<v Speaker 2>when she does the same, When she does the same,

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<v Speaker 2>she'll come home and debrief you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll say, hit the lentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Jew's ready, that's right?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you want to watch Priscilla again?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? God? Patrick doesn't think anybody's still listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a chance, not a chance. In fact, my dog's

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<v Speaker 3>not even listening. He's just looking away.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you say, Patrick's your backup plan?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he doesn't know yet, my backup plan. When I

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<v Speaker 5>get sick of the city, I'm going to move to

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<v Speaker 5>the land.

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome, Yeah, come movie with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>How come your voice just went up seven octaves.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited about Tiff moving in with me, Like

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<v Speaker 3>she's great and she can teach me how to box.

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<v Speaker 3>That'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and you can. I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>can teach you. Hey, Patrick, Welcome to the show. Patrick Beranello.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi comes every week? Well when I say comes, it

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<v Speaker 2>does the podcast every I don't know how often he comes,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's here on this show every two weeks. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not that kind of show, but here he is welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I say that this is our third effort at

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<v Speaker 4>doing the show?

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<v Speaker 3>So I got canceled yesterday morning because I can't remember

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff going on, and then we reach it and

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<v Speaker 3>then I'll tell you what though. Can I give a

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<v Speaker 3>plug to something that I did straight after our conversation

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<v Speaker 3>last night, because I think it's a really important issue.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I went and saw a movie which was a fundraiser,

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<v Speaker 3>a charity fundraiser for a local film that's called Just

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<v Speaker 3>a Farmer And it's a story about the stress and

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<v Speaker 3>I won't go I don't want to talk too much

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<v Speaker 3>about it, but it talks about the suicide rate amongst

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<v Speaker 3>Australian farmers is so ridiculously high, the stress levels that

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<v Speaker 3>they're under, the adversity that they face, and our local

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<v Speaker 3>community wants to raise awareness and office support because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>involved with an organization called the West Moirable Foundation, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they put on this event and they sold out.

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<v Speaker 3>All the tickets were free, but all the tickets just went,

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<v Speaker 3>which was amazing that the community supported it. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you get a chance to see just a Farmer, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to go and see it. If you see I

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<v Speaker 3>know that it's cliche if you don't see anything this year,

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<v Speaker 3>see this, but no, it is. It's an amazing event

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just raising awareness of the plight of Australian

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<v Speaker 3>farmers and how hard they do it. And seriously, they

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<v Speaker 3>had tissue boxes around the venue because it was so

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<v Speaker 3>moving to see what even though in the first five

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<v Speaker 3>minutes they did do a vegan joke.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. While I'm going, I actually am aware of

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<v Speaker 2>that movie Patrick, because I saw I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it was, maybe Australian story. It was either the ABC

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<v Speaker 2>or SBS. They did a like a you know how

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<v Speaker 2>they have I don't know, one of those thirty minute

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mini docco shows, and I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lady on talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>She was great, so the director and she also starred

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<v Speaker 3>in it, I think is the Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well she was brilliant. Was that actually? Because you

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<v Speaker 2>know something's good because I tend to flick and I

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<v Speaker 2>just watched a minute or two and then I just

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<v Speaker 2>watched the whole thing because it was very good.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for bringing that to our awareness.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about technology now, because that is your actual

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<v Speaker 2>job description. Oh yeah, and you haven't sent me an

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<v Speaker 2>invoice for a while, so you better.

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<v Speaker 3>Years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we can only backtrack four weeks. That's in the agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about online safety, crime stoppers, what are they

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<v Speaker 2>up to?

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<v Speaker 4>This is crime stock.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so much concern at the moment for the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that there's missing, not so much misinformation, but people are

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<v Speaker 3>going on to Facebook and reporting crimes to their communities,

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<v Speaker 3>and crime stoppers are saying, don't think just because you've

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<v Speaker 3>posted it on Facebook that it's going to filter its

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<v Speaker 3>way through to crime stoppers and the police. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 3>call the police first, don't post about it.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is happening a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's happening is people are posting on social media

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<v Speaker 3>and they reckon that this can actually do more harm

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<v Speaker 3>than good because it's unverified information, you know, and that

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<v Speaker 3>could escalate fear, it leads to misinformation, it could even

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<v Speaker 3>you know, cause vigilante behavior. Think about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're it's kind of almost jury by media or

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<v Speaker 3>jury by social media. And so crime Stoppers had to

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<v Speaker 3>come out and just say please, please, please, And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there was an interesting statement from Tasmania's crime stoppers boss,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy by the name of David Daniels, and he

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<v Speaker 3>said posting to social media provided a false sense of action.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought that actually makes a lot of sense,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, if you're all pens up about something

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<v Speaker 3>that's happened and you posted on socials, you get it

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<v Speaker 3>off your chest. Do you think, right now I've done

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<v Speaker 3>my bit? But you're not, And in fact, you could

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<v Speaker 3>be doing the wrong thing because just by typing it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean it's going to go to the police. So

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<v Speaker 3>just a bit of a community service announcement from typ

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<v Speaker 3>oh perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess also the other thing is that people

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<v Speaker 2>not everything that people put up as accurate or true, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're believing everything that you're reading, you might

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<v Speaker 2>take action on something that actually isn't true, or you

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<v Speaker 2>might prepare for something or get stressed about something that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, go to your profile page on your website.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, come on that say, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably not true. It probably says a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good ship when we know. That's good point. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for that, and apparently I have reason to hesitate next

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<v Speaker 2>time I want to send a nudy a Noodi pic.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, not necessarily because you use an iPhone, don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you can, I have to stand way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>But yep, yeah, you know I'm going to I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to actually admit something I do send. I have seen

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<v Speaker 3>a number of dick pics to my elderly female friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Nixon Ox.

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<v Speaker 2>See what you did there? I see what you did there?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey? No, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So Android is the operating system of a lot of phones,

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<v Speaker 3>so Google phones, so Pixels, Samsung phones, Opo.

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<v Speaker 4>Huawei, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And what this starting to do is there there's a

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion that going to start blurring sensitive or offensive images

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<v Speaker 3>by default. So I don't know how they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>work that one out. But you can turn the setting off,

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<v Speaker 3>So there's good news. If you're using an Android phone,

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<v Speaker 3>you can turn this privacy safeguard feature. I love how

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<v Speaker 3>they call it a privacy safeguard pop up.

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<v Speaker 4>You're telling nudies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if I sent through a photo of

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<v Speaker 2>myself to you if it had blur out my nose.

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<v Speaker 2>But leave everything else intact, because that's way more offensive

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else I've got.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, evidently, in Google messages, images that are flagged as

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<v Speaker 3>nudity are being blurred before you open them, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a bit of a warm so if someone

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<v Speaker 3>sends you on in fact that that kind of makes sense,

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<v Speaker 3>because if you're not expecting it and something gets sent through,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's probably not a bad thing. But it's Google's

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<v Speaker 3>what they call Sensitive Content Warning System, and the idea

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<v Speaker 3>is behind it is to protect people from receiving unwanted

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<v Speaker 3>explicit photos. So it's about receiving the photos as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to sending the photos. But I reckon, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>always in two minds as a journalist as to whether

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<v Speaker 3>we need somebody to be editing our lives for.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I one hundred percent agree. Like if I mean, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's a lot of shit that goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're a part of a couple and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to send your partner something which I never would

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<v Speaker 2>never have but mainly because I've never been part of

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<v Speaker 2>a couple, But like, why shouldn't you be able to like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not saying this should be a priority,

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<v Speaker 2>but like when someone's saying you can't send your partner

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of you, and we're making that determination, not you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you, it's your photo, it's your phone, it's your life.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, we're not letting you do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't really I think people should be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I just make a decision?

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<v Speaker 3>Craigi, you know you can actually send delayed texts, So

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<v Speaker 3>what you can do? You could send a nudy to

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<v Speaker 3>yourself delayed ten minutes or half an hour, and right

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<v Speaker 3>now you've forgot your first explicit pick sent to you

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<v Speaker 3>by yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, Great, that'll make me feel better. That's not sad

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<v Speaker 2>at all, that's not pathetic at all.

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<v Speaker 3>You can use AI to change your face and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>AI to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you never become a therapist?

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be shit at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think I'd be very good, would I? Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know talking about camera rolls and photos and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I talk about something else? Because these Facebook's now

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<v Speaker 3>going to well, it's not just Facebook, it's actually all

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<v Speaker 3>of the Facebook sweet And what I mean by that

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<v Speaker 3>is meta owns Facebook, and that means it's Instagram and WhatsApp.

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<v Speaker 3>But it seems that a new setting has appeared, and

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<v Speaker 3>by default it can look through your library of photos

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<v Speaker 3>to make suggestions. So say, for example, you post something

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<v Speaker 3>on Insta and it says, oh, I found another photo

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<v Speaker 3>that might be relevant to what you're posting about, creepy

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<v Speaker 3>or what, because that means it's looking through your library

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<v Speaker 3>of photos. See, when you go to post something, you

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<v Speaker 3>look through, you curate it, and then you decide you

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<v Speaker 3>want to make that a public photo. So off those

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<v Speaker 3>But now by default what it's doing is Insta and

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<v Speaker 3>Facebook potentially could be looking through your photo library and

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<v Speaker 3>it's not taking the images away, but it's scanning them

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<v Speaker 3>to look for suggestions. And that to me is so creepy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want anything digging around my phone and looking

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<v Speaker 3>at morm the photos and stuff. You know, the person

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<v Speaker 3>or Schnauzer picks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we don't know that you or your schnaus are

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<v Speaker 2>out in the world, do we damedna.

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<v Speaker 1>What I was going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask you a question pursuant to this.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how people say, even when I'm my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on my phone, but my phone's near me,

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<v Speaker 2>people go, oh, it's still listening, as in, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>hearing what you're saying, even though it's you're not on

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<v Speaker 2>a call. So it's not for that purpose. It's not functional,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not operating.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it for one of a more accurate technical term,

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<v Speaker 2>does it hear what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? In different applications.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So Facebook has been accused and they're saying that

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<v Speaker 3>it's been accused of monitoring conversations and to serve up

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<v Speaker 3>ads related to what you've been talking about. Now that's

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<v Speaker 3>been nipped in the butt because it was a legal

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<v Speaker 3>case about it.

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<v Speaker 4>The other thing is, if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Use smart speakers or smart devices in your home, then

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<v Speaker 3>your phone. If you use any sort of AI on

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<v Speaker 3>your phone, or any sort of engagement where you ask

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<v Speaker 3>your phone what the weather is, then it's in a

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<v Speaker 3>passive listening mode. So it's called constantly listening, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for key phrases before it acts. So what Gil

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<v Speaker 3>says is that we're listening, yes, but we're not listening contextually.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just listening out for the key phrase of say

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<v Speaker 3>hey Google. Now after saying that, my phone just live

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<v Speaker 3>up because it's now listening for me to talk to it. So,

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<v Speaker 3>but our whole conversation prior to that, for the last

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<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes, nothing's been active on my phone, so it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't light up to say that it was now interacting

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<v Speaker 3>with me until I used those key phrases.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes and no is the answer to that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wow, because so many times I've yeah, I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a chat with someone, and one recently about it motorbike,

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<v Speaker 2>a particular motorbike, not just motorbike, particular motorbike, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I jumped on my phone, there was an ad for

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<v Speaker 2>that motorbike, but that I've never ever seen an ad for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a bit of a frightening when you think

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<v Speaker 3>about it. And look, the answer to that is there's

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<v Speaker 3>so much speculation online. People talk about it a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>The companies who manufacture our phone say they don't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Meta God in trouble. Facebook, God in trouble for doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>but allegedly that's been switched off. So look, the reality

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<v Speaker 3>of it is, we use a lot of these services

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<v Speaker 3>that are all free. But we know we've spoken many

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<v Speaker 3>times about this. It's not free because we're giving over

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<v Speaker 3>as much content and that's how they serve up their ads.

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.479
<v Speaker 3>That's why they can go to their advertisers and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got two point six billion people who were constantly

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<v Speaker 3>on their phones.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why they give you Facebook for free.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why they give you Instagram for free and all

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<v Speaker 3>those other things, because it means that they've got data.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening. What's the latest on the potential media ban

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<v Speaker 2>or social media ban for kids that we've heard a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a really interesting one because it is coming

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<v Speaker 3>into force. I think it's the tenth of December. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I wrote something about it somewhere in our notes

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember, but it's in December.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the tough that will mean is that

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 3>children under the age of sixteen will be banned from

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<v Speaker 3>social media. But now there is a push from the

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<v Speaker 3>overriding authorities saying they actually need to start the ban

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<v Speaker 3>preparations now because there's a concern that young people might

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<v Speaker 3>just go into their social media and change their age

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<v Speaker 3>from fourteen to nineteen. And so I mean, of course

0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.080
<v Speaker 3>they're thinking about it now, since they know they announced

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<v Speaker 3>it a year ago, it has probably already done that anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So the e Safety Commission is the person in Australia

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<v Speaker 3>who I guess oversees and was part of the committee

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<v Speaker 3>of experts looking into that, and interestingly, one of those

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:47.320
<v Speaker 3>experts pull the pin on the whole program. It was

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<v Speaker 3>the Frontiers guy. I'll think of his name in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But effectively, there are concerns over whether or not kids

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<v Speaker 3>are going to start switching over their phones now, so

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<v Speaker 3>that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a bit of pressure being put on Meta.

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<v Speaker 3>And Google and TikTok and all the other social media

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<v Speaker 3>companies to start preparing for this and stopping kids being

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<v Speaker 3>able to change their birthdays. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>they're saying will happen is their accounts will not be

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<v Speaker 3>deleted but deactivated right and they will allow the option

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to download their data. Because at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, if you're a really tech savvy

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.719
<v Speaker 3>fourteen year old and you've been doing a YouTube video

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<v Speaker 3>channel on something that you're interested on, skateboarding for example,

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 3>you'd be freaking out right now because a it could

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<v Speaker 3>have been a really successful channel, and now you're thinking, well,

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:38.959
<v Speaker 3>I've got to download all my staff.

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<v Speaker 4>This belongs to me. I've created it.

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<v Speaker 3>So potentially it could mean that they could deactivate it

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<v Speaker 3>and then in two years time reactivate it, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>definitely saying not to be deleted. The idea is that

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<v Speaker 3>it would be deactivated when the band comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking on behalf of the kids, of which I was

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<v Speaker 2>one once, it seems unfair for for the kids who

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<v Speaker 2>don't have massive issues, or who aren't addicted, or who

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<v Speaker 2>use it in a sensible practical way. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot don't, but not everyone does. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like there's like anyone who's overrated and can drink booze. Well,

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 2>we know how destructive it is, how much sickness and

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 2>disease it causes, how many road accidents and deaths it causes,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know that's not most people. Most people are

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<v Speaker 2>not doing that, so we permit it.

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<v Speaker 3>And sorry, Craig, there's a concrete argument about giving kids alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>All of my Italian friends, all of my Austrian friends,

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<v Speaker 3>they were allowed to have small So the Austrians would

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<v Speaker 3>have drunk a little bit of beer when they were thirteen, fourteen,

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.640
<v Speaker 3>fifteen with a meal, and a lot of the Italian

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 3>friends would have a glass of wine or a little

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 3>bit of wine during a meal. And for a lot

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 3>of them, when they reach that magic age of eighteen

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 3>when everything's leap, it wasn't a big thing for them

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<v Speaker 3>because they've already had some and they weren't going to

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<v Speaker 3>and so really, in a lot of ways, it was

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 3>desensitizing them to the mystique around alcohol. You know, you

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 3>suddenly go to your first eighteenth and end up absolutely

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 3>paralytic because you've drunk to exist.

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:16.159
<v Speaker 4>But if you've had experience with.

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<v Speaker 3>Drinking in a controlled environment that's condoned by your parents,

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.199
<v Speaker 3>it actually becomes demystified, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent, And I mean, well we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>off track. We'll come back to that matter at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>But you think about in Victoria, where when you're seventeen

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and eleven point nine months, you can't drink, you can't drive,

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 2>you can't vote, you can't do a myriad of things

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>and now we go, oh, on this day, now you

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:44.960
<v Speaker 2>can do it all. Now.

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Of course, you can't drink and drive.

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Legally, but you can drink legally and you can drive legally.

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 2>So on the same day we're giving people their license

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and also access to booze in a legal capacity.

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Although yes and no, because if you're driving and you're

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 3>under a pea plate, you can't drink.

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.119
<v Speaker 1>No, that's what I'm saying. You can't drink and drive.

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I said that, yeah, But what I mean is you

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 2>can legally drink. I'm not saying with driving, but you

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>can also drive, and you can also vote, and you

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>can you know, there's so many things that you're allowed

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>to do on one day. When I think, you know,

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Tazzy at sixteen, I think South Australia at sixteen and

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.159
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales at seventeen, where you can drive, you know,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and people are like, oh, they're two to this or that.

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I go, do you know how fucking great their eyesight

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 2>is and their judgment and their dexterity? And compare that

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 2>to my mum who drives, God bless her, She's eighty six.

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Fucking hell, Get out of the way. If you see

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Mary fucking Duck under a hedge.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, I truck a sixteen year old behind the

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 3>wheel of the.

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 4>Carb be for a lot of people.

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what I mean.

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean sixteen year olds, you know, unless they're being irresponsible.

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>But I just think to give them that responsibility and

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.439
<v Speaker 2>to value them and respect them in that way, and

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 2>give them an opportunity not to be a dickhead, but

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.199
<v Speaker 2>just go all right, So you can't drink and you

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 2>can't vote, but for the next year or two, you

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.439
<v Speaker 2>can develop driving skills and awareness and a level of

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>competence that by the time you're eighteen, you've now got

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 2>two years of driving under your belt. You're an experienced,

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>somewhat experienced road user. I just think that's a much

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 2>smarter you know, the fact that we think seventy year

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>olds can drive or have potential to drive better just

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>because they've done it for a long time. Like, there's

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of physiological and cognitive and eyesight and all

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>of those things typically not with everyone, but deterioration. So

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 2>what were we talking about? Actually, social media band? What

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 2>about for those who have businesses, mate and make money?

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 4>It's an age restriction that's exactly right.

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 3>We know at the moment that ninety five percent of

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Australian children between the age of ten and fifteen year

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 3>old have at least one social media account. Ninety five percent.

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of young people who are going

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 3>to be affected by this. It's a heck of a lot.

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 3>And as I said, you know that the call or

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 3>the moment is to deactivate the accounts and impose some

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.879
<v Speaker 3>sort of limitation. The fines are going to be pretty

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 3>big because at the moment, this consultation that's been going

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.719
<v Speaker 3>on has come up with these guidelines for what they

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 3>call reasonable steps that social media companies will have to

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 3>take to enforce the ban, and the fine are forty

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 3>nine point five million dollars, which is a drop in

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 3>the ocean, we know.

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, I mean most kids can afford that.

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't mean the kids, it's the social media

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>think the kids are.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's a lot of pocket money. Bro. Hey tell

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>me why when Google says jump, businesses say how high?

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:53.959
<v Speaker 4>Ah.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 3>This is a really interesting one. And I've got to

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 3>say I had to do a double take. I read

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the article and then I sent it to my collegue

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Robert to read the article because this affects a lot

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 3>of our clients. When you have a Google business listing, okay,

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 3>so it's separate from a website. So you type in

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know plumber Hampton and a list of plumbers

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 3>comes up. But on the right hand side you have

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 3>the Google business listing, which might have a map, could

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 3>have some photographs, and then it's got links to website.

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Now this is a bugbear with me.

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Cafes tend to not have websites, and you go to

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 3>the website link, it takes you to Facebook, and you

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 3>go to Facebook and you can't find the menu, and

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 3>then when you finally find the menu and the feed,

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 3>it's really crap quality because Facebook compacts it and optimizes

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 3>the image, but doesn't optimize the image for reading. So

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 3>what Google is going to do is now stop all

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>of those businesses that don't have websites and nominate Facebook

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 3>or social media as that primary link. Then that's going

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:56.719
<v Speaker 3>to mean they're not going to be allowed to do

0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 3>that anymore. So, in essence, if you want to promote

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 3>your business using your Google Business listing, you may be

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 3>restricted or you may be forced to go out and

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 3>get a website, and so I'm into minds about this

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>because as an end user, it frustrates me because if

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 3>I want to go to the website, I want to

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 3>know where they are, I want to see their menu.

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 3>Then that's important, But I just hate the fact that

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Google as the major search engine, and we know it

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 3>is the major search engine on the planet. Once they

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 3>make a decision, everybody is then impacted by that, and

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of small businesses that might have to

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 3>fork out money to do this. So you know, it

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of hits the nerve in two different ways. In

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 3>some ways, I think it's a good idea. But so

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 3>for example, if you also have a book now button

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 3>and you click the button to book say accommodation or

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 3>order now to order food, it has to go to

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.719
<v Speaker 3>the specific area that it says. It can't be just

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 3>a random link on a general website. In the same way,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>if you want to go to gym's mowing in Saint Kilda,

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 3>you can't just go to the general gym's mowing website.

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 3>It has to take you to the Sin Kilda website.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 3>And again that means the onus is going to have

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 3>to be on big companies that have lots of franchise

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 3>operators to not just go to a generic location, but

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 3>to specifically have the location that you're searching for. It's

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 3>going to make searching a little bit better too.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow, if only, Tiff, we knew somebody who built websites.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, fuck, that would be if only there was

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>someone on this call.

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>You know exactly why we're talking about this topic, Tif,

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>don't you?

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 4>It does seem serving sides?

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Ah ah, oh my god, that's right. I build websites.

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I could be part of the cure to this cancer.

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, I.

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Didn't mean that at all.

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 2>No, no, fucking hell. Could you make it a bit

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>less thinly disguised? Next Times now, Dot come today you exactly?

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us why two billion smartphones are now

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>global earthquake warning systems?

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 4>That's a cool thing, don't you reckon?

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, y'all want to know when an earthquake's coming?

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly just when you.

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 4>I guess you'd love to know when the Earth's going

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 4>to move for you.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>So what's happened is Google has been inside each of

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 3>our phones. We have, you know, basically, an ability to

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>detect where the phone's being moved, when the phone's being moved.

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 3>It's called an accelerometer, and Google has employed the use

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 3>of these in a passive way a lot with all

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>of their phones. So say, for example, the three of

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>us are in a location and all of a sudden,

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 3>it detects a slight movement, and then suddenly everybody around

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 3>us there's more movement. Well, it's it's basically a massive seismometer,

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 3>and now they're able to use it as an early

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>warning system. So this has been rolled out in ninety

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 3>eight countries. It's kind of a motion sensor. That's that's

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of a mesh of motion sensors right around the world,

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's called Android's Earthquake Alert system. So the AA

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 3>ye it's been it's been around for a little while,

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 3>but it's I just kind of thought it was so cool,

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, two point five billion phones around the planet

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 3>being used in a positive way.

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Well see whether people are meteorologists. Patrick's making you redundant

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>via the U project. Hey, I don't don't tell me

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 2>what this means, but I want to tell you what

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I think. The next topic is airborne wind turbine with

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>one mega what output set for testing in China? So

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>airborne to me it's in the air. It's a wind

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>turbine and it's producing power or electricity. Okay, but it's

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>in there.

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 3>So imagine the Hindenburg cut in half but not exploding

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 3>in flames.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Can you explain to people what the Hindenburg is? I

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>know it at TIF Do you know what the Hindenburg is?

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Negative?

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right? So stop moving forward, Patrick thinking everyone's you

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>remember external self awareness period? Mind all that shit I

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>taught you, all.

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 4>Right, dirigible a hot air balloon, a flow.

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>There we go, there we go.

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 3>That's not a UFO, so effectively what it is, it's

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 3>a giant balloon, but it's kind of hollowed out in

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 3>the middle. It's got a turbine at the front, it's

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>got little fins at the back to direct it. But

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be one point five kilometers up like

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 3>it's really high to take advantage of the high speed

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>winds that are in that part of the atmosphere. And

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 3>they're testing this at the moment in charge China, because

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about a massive amount of wind up there

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 3>that can then be turned into quite large amounts of electricity.

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure what's going to happen in terms of planes.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 3>So I guess there'll be no fly zones and they'll

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 3>put it in areas where there's no air traffic. But

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 3>that could be pretty cool. And if you think of

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 3>the ability to be a and we're talking quite a

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 3>significant amount of electricity being able to be generated constantly

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 3>because there's always that movement of air in those higher

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 3>up atmosphere.

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Can you go to your computer right now and type

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>in Zeppelin ze double pel I, not the group, just Zeppelin, the.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Word in front of it, don't put lead in front

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 4>of it.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you'll see what Patrick's or a few versions

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of what Patrick's so hit images and you'll see so yeah,

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of almost like a hybrid of a plane

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and a balloon.

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's amazing, mate.

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess they're going to have to like,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is this happening or is this just a no?

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 4>They're testing in China.

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they reckon. They could run for twenty five

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 3>years without interruption, is what they say.

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 4>And we're talking one.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Megawatt output, like it's a ton of electricity. So it's

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 3>called the S fifteen hundred and it's just a yeah,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 3>it's it's they're saying that it could also be deployed

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 3>in locations where they've been natural disasters. So if the

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 3>infrastructure has been destroyed or something's happened, they could put

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 3>these wind turbines up, these power generating airships, and at

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 3>fifteen hundred meters high they can leave ridge all those

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 3>really strong winds and be able to generate electricity.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That's good. I like that. Let's talk about cars. I'm

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>going to start with your last dot point and then

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you can go wherever you want. But Porsche considering adding

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>fake engine sounds for their evs, which you can already

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.879
<v Speaker 2>get that in some other evs, but it's like, yeah,

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>fake V eight sounds and yeah, you know, just coming

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>out of a speaker.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 3>And gear shifting as well.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's the one.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's the one I can't see.

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>There was talk a few years ago when the first

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 3>lot of electric cars hit the market, not actually not

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 3>the first lot of electric cars, because the first lot

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 3>of electric cars were in the late early nineteen hundreds,

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 3>but that was never a problem.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:58.600 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Thanks.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>So there was almost like three waves because there was

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>a Toyota Prius right in the nineties.

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then tests.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 4>Like wasn't that a hybrid?

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I know there were hybrid and actual plug and electric.

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, oh.

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 4>Cool, tif can you just look for it the first.

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't fucking believe me.

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I did say, that's right.

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I could be wrong. Toyota, Prius electric, full electric.

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>So all right, you keep talking.

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Porsche wants to add this, but it has

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 3>it's not a precedent because there was a talk. There

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 3>was actually talk a little while ago to force car

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 3>makers to actually deliberately make engine noise sounds so that

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 3>in car parks where it's really quiet, people.

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Don't get run over by electric cars.

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have eyes, but for people who might

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>be vision impaired, you potentially could be crossing over and

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 3>not hear an electric car coming.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I've always thought that. I mean, there's where I live.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say twenty percent of the cars are electric

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>around my like, there are just a lot of electric cars,

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and yeah there's I mean, I've never nearly died, but

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 2>there's times when I could have just stepped out because

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>there was no noise. And then you have some fucking

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Tesla rocket by and you're like, oh, I'm

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 2>glad I paid attention.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 5>What do you got to So we're looking at the

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 5>Toyota Prez full electric. Yeah yeah, seven in Japan only

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 5>and two year two thousand worldwide.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>But still so that's quarter.

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Of a century.

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>And what about Chevy Vault, which was here called a

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Holden Vault. I think that also came out in the

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 2>early two thousands as fully electric, So I think that

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter.

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>But you know, there was like that, and then really.

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Tesla just hijacked it or didn't they?

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh look absolutely, do you.

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Say hijacked it just sound a bit kind of mean.

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 3>And they just did well. They marketed really well. They

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 3>produced exceptional vehicles that had great range and all the

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.720
<v Speaker 3>things that people were worried about, because range has always

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 3>been the biggest thing, particularly for Australian car buyers. Think

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 3>the stats for August was one in ten cars purchased

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 3>in Australia was an electric car, that said by d

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 3>for the first time in August, just by percentage on

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 3>all of the vehicles sold, just tipped Tesla off the

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 3>top of the pole, just by a little. So if

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 3>you combine all the sales of all their range of

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 3>models of electric cars, they beat out Tesla for the

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 3>first time. I still think that Tesla the Y model

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 3>is still the most popular car in the electric car

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 3>in Australia by sales, just on an individual model.

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>How do we go tip with a Vault seven as well?

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>What was I going to say? Yeah?

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I mean I'm a car head. I'm always reading.

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Not that I buy a lot of cars, but I

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 2>used to. But I'm always reading reviews and that you know,

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>remember remember back in the day, Patrick, when Korean cars

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 2>were frowned upon by Assies. What are you laughing at?

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 5>Because just being realized I much head, says the guy

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 5>who drives this Zuki Swift.

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>That's very hurtful.

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 3>That's very hurtful, very funny. That's so true, though.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Can I say I do have another car that isn't

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>a Suzuki Swift.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 3>But you had that Suzuki for a long time before

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 3>you bought the new car.

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I think you.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Guys underestimate my Suzuki Swift.

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Tried to talk me into buy I guess Azuki Swift.

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:47.720
<v Speaker 3>So hurtfulful way to butch to drive a Suzuki Swift.

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>That's not true, Oh she is, yet I'm not. I

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 2>could drive a fucking Barbie Beetle, you know, with a

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking moon roof.

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, continue on, Patrick, and I.

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 4>Just ask here's one.

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Do you think electric car owners should be paying a

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 3>road levee?

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Why? Like, why would they?

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, because there's a real problem at the moment with

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 3>that many electric cars that people aren't paying their way

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:22.240
<v Speaker 3>because when we buy traditional fuel, part of the money

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 3>that's raised in taxes goes to repairing roads and maintenance

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 3>of roads. And they tried it in Victoria to bring

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 3>in a levee for electric cars, but it was ruled

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 3>an illegal action because it has to happen at a

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 3>federal level. And now the federal government is saying they're

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 3>going to bring it in. So they say that you know,

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 3>so basically it's a road user charge. You know, if

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 3>you're driving an electric car, you're driving on the roads,

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 3>then you need to pay some sort of levee to

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 3>be able to keep those roads maintained. So and the

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 3>prime ministers come out and said, but basically, we need

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 3>some sort of sustainable revenue to keep our roads in good.

0:39:58.760 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 4>Nick.

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 3>And you know, with one in ten cars now being electric,

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.720
<v Speaker 3>they're going to try to overhaul the rules and extend

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:07.720
<v Speaker 3>it to electric cars.

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 2>That's why hybrids are the way to go because they're

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>super economical and you don't get whacked with straight ev

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of taxes and things.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 3>I think, see what happens with that, because there's some

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 3>really good hybrids on the market at the moment where

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 3>you use electric for the first forty kilometer speed, So

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 3>if you're in low traffic, you could potentially be running

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 3>off electric for the entire time, which is great, stuffs,

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 3>fumes and all the rest of it, and then you

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 3>kick into the petrol engine once you're on the highway.

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, can I say that that is exactly what I have,

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 2>despite TIFF's assault on my manlihood about the Suzuki, And

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:52.879
<v Speaker 2>like I get in my hybrid fourteen hundred kilometers per tach.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 4>That's pretty awesome. Yeah, that's you.

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Could drive to Sydney.

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's yeah.

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, tell us why are we done with cars?

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything I'm used?

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I just just I'm not kind of backing the

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 3>government to that degree, and I do I kind of

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>agree with it. I think the answer to the question

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 3>someone rhetorically, because no one answered whether they thought it

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 3>was a good idea or not. But fifty one point

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 3>six cents per liter of fuel at the bowser goes

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 3>to the governments, like tax towards the roads. So that's

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>the excise, that's what people are contributing towards the roads.

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Every time you put a leader of petrol in whatever

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 3>you've paid for it. I think I paid nearly two

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 3>dollars a leader the other day, but about fifty one

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 3>that is going toward road use.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I regularly pay over two dollars.

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you put in yours?

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Kerosene ninety eight? No, I only ever use ninety eight.

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>All right, it's dearer than that down here quite often?

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, I think it was under two dollars.

0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 3>It has been over it, but very rarely is it

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 3>for two dollars.

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>What are starlink doing? What are they what are they

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 2>hitting their users up for?

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the thing.

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 4>They're not hitting their users, they're hitting their non users.

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Jessah went with.

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>That, Ah to Chay.

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So what starlink are doing is for a long time,

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, people who have the mobile Starlink who go

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 3>caravanning will open up an account, they get to the hardware,

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 3>and then when they're not using it, they just suspend

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 3>their account. Now starlink is saying, well, if you want

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 3>to suspend your account and put it on hold. We're

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 3>going to start charging you a fee to put it

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>on hold.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 4>It's in a sleeper mode to not use it.

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 2>What the that seems like a bad PR move?

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 4>You know it does.

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 3>And they're talking so if you want to pause your service,

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about five bucks.

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I think this is Australian in terms of the five dollars,

0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 3>but it may be US five dollars. I'm not sure

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 3>because it's a funny situation because starlink, even though it's

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 3>based in the US, it's kind of based everywhere because

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 3>the satellites are everywhere. But I thought, yeah, right, so

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 3>they're kind of they're upgrading their fors mode to include

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 3>what they call a standby mode.

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 4>You know when you put your.

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 3>TV on standby, so it comes on quicker when you

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 3>they're doing with starlink, and they're charging you for it.

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>This one is This next one is very interesting to

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 2>me because I've been looking at my farm ever since

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I read it.

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what it is?

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 3>I do tell us, Craig, you tell us what it's about.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Study links thumb length to brain size and cognition. I've

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>got to say I don't have overwhelmingly large thumbs. I

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 2>don't think they're diminutive. But so what are we saying

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 2>there's a correlation between bigger thumbs. Oh my god, yeah,

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I said, I said thumbs, bigger thumbs and bigger brain

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.879
<v Speaker 2>and cognitive capacity. Is that what we're saying?

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 3>And I just say that if the three of us

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 3>put our thumbs up and measured them, we would not

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:09.919
<v Speaker 3>be able to pick the smartest person in the room.

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so let me.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Dispel that myth right now, that's good. We're talking on

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 3>an evolutionary scale, So we compare ourselves to other primates

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 3>and animals that have opposable thumbs. There seems to be

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 3>and we're talking also about Neanderthals and other primates that

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 3>may have since gone by the way of the Dodo.

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 3>But what it effectively means is they think that there

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 3>is a link to the neo cortex, and that's the

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 3>part of the brain about well you know better than me,

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 3>linked to higher thinking, and they reckon that it has

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 3>something to do with the length of the thumb, or

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 3>there seems to be some sort of parallel with that

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 3>when they start looking through brain brain size and so it's.

0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Over evolutionarily, as thumbs have gotten bigger, cognitive capacity has improved.

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. So this kind of neo cortex connection and

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 3>the cognition and sensory processing, it seems to be linked

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 3>to the length of the thumb. I thought you'd find

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 3>that interesting.

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. I also find detecting Alzheimer's early via

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:22.479
<v Speaker 2>a three minute test if it's accurate and it works, yeah,

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>very very interesting.

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this was really close to home for me with

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 3>mum having had early on set Alzheimer's, and this is tests.

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 4>That are being done in Bath in the UK. I've

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 4>been to Bath.

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 3>My god, if you ever go anywhere in the UK,

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 3>you've got to go to Bath. It's stunning, beautiful, beautiful place.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, the Roman baths, all the rest of it.

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 3>But what they're saying at the moment is that they

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 3>think they kind of put this kind of brain scanner

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 3>on you and they start measuring stuff. Because I don't

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 3>know much about it, that's smart. They think they may

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 3>have a better way to detect Alzheimer's. It's very difficult

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 3>because you know, particularly with early onset or if you

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 3>may be genetically disposed to it, it's hard to detect

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.720
<v Speaker 3>because it's so slow, and that's the real problem because

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 3>quite often it may be something that's happened that's caused

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 3>the symptoms to appear a bit more focused. So sometimes

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you have a trauma in a family

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 3>and then after a period of time they say, oh, yeah,

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 3>they've bounced back. You know, someone ages over time. Sometimes

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 3>that can be the real first sign for families that

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 3>one of their loved ones actually has Alzheimer's because they're

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 3>so good at masking it. People adapt constantly. The brain's amazing.

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 3>People are fantastic at adapting. So if they're struggling with

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 3>poor memory, they look at ways to maybe write notes down,

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever the technique they put into place. So

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's really, you know, an issue that's happened that

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 3>the family notices for the first time that that loved

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 3>family member isn't recovering as quickly or hasn't bounced back

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 3>as quick and that can be an initial indicator that

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 3>they've got Alzheimer's. So if you can test for this

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 3>before those early symptoms and say okay, there's a possibility,

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, you've got members of the family who are

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 3>elderly that have been diagnosed and you want to be

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, you want to be tested. That means they

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 3>can have intervention drugs earlier, and which means it could

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 3>stave off the you know, the ravages of Alzheimer's way before,

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 3>and that that could help people quite significantly.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 2>You know what they're testing or they're using now as

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 2>potential intervention and doing mountains of research on in relation

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>to slowing down or preventing Alzheimer's and also as a

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.200
<v Speaker 2>cognitive enhancer in general for the general pop.

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Tiff knows.

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what it is? Tif that supplement that

0:47:56.320 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>people are using for cognitive improvement these days? Very common

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that we.

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 5>Were talking about the other day that I keep forgetting the.

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Name of creatine. Oh really.

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, creating like over the counter creatine and not dodgy

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>studies like world leading universities, research teams, scientists. It's pretty

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 2>like absolute now, like it's pretty They know that a

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>high dose creatine, so like fifteen to twenty grams a

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 2>day versus the kind of what people normally use five

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>grams a day, but has shown significant benefits and potential benefits.

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's definitely worth just having a look at. Again,

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>not a personal recommendation, but it really if it works,

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.839
<v Speaker 2>which I think, like, I take twenty grams a day

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.320
<v Speaker 2>every day and I have for the last few months,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:56.280
<v Speaker 2>and it generally helps me with mental acuity and focus

0:48:56.360 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and also what I call cognitive endurance, like just keeping

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>your brain up for like the other day, I had

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>to talk for eight hours, and so for eight hours,

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you've got to be pretty fucking one hundred percent switched on.

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 2>So I took creatine before I started, and I took

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Cretein at lunchtime.

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, can we I just there was one other thing

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 3>about this brain wave test. It's called fastball. I just

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.919
<v Speaker 3>mentioned that if people are actually interested, it only takes

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 3>three minutes and they're using an EEG to basically have

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 3>a look at what's you know, for mild cognitive impairment.

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 3>But you know, Creatine's been used in the fitness industry.

0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 4>For a long, long, long time.

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 3>So I think one of the good things about that

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.800
<v Speaker 3>is that we certainly know, you know, what the effects

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 3>are on the body after all these years.

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 4>When did you first see it in the fitness industry, right.

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Ah, probably before the turn of the century, probably nineties. Yeah, yeah,

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And so it's I was only five TI. If don't

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking laugh you were born last century? What are you

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>laughing at?

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Just made it sound so long ago.

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Probably, Oh, you know, just after the model t Ford

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>was penny Farthing.

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:15.360
<v Speaker 1>That's rush.

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I bought it from David Jones in Melbourne.

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 3>I just thought of something, what a zeppelin is. She

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 3>probably doesn't know what a penny farthing is either, do

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 3>you do?

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Thank god for that.

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>That's because she's into bikes.

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 5>Penny Farthings.

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Can you describe Simmons?

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.280
<v Speaker 4>Can you describe a penny Farthing?

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I hope I've got it right.

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 5>They're the ones with the really massive back wheel and

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:42.879
<v Speaker 5>the tiny little front one.

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Who is the other way around?

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 3>That's okay, we're close close enough that works and the

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 3>pedals on the big wheel.

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Come on, chat, we've got eight minutes. Do your best work.

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 2>City of Hobart trials AI software to clamp down on

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>authorized short stay a com ready says go.

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 3>This has become a really big thing in a lot

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 3>of places because in Hobart if you have short term accommodation,

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 3>they slug you with double the rates. So they're trying

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 3>to get a slice of the pie. And I mean

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of arguments too, that that's part of

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 3>our housing problem that people aren't renting houses.

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 4>They're just using it for short stay accommodation on.

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 3>Airbnb, but a lot of people don't claim it, and

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:27.959
<v Speaker 3>so what they're using is they're use in the city

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 3>of Hobart's using AI to scan I guess the traditional

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 3>areas of advertising, looking at like you know, Airbnb, and

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 3>if they see a house popping up on a regular basis,

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 3>then they just correlate that to their database and see

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 3>is that person registered to have their house on Airbnb

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 3>or as a short stay and if they're not, they're

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:50.720
<v Speaker 3>slugging them with the fee.

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow. You know. It feels like whenever anyone does

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:59.799
<v Speaker 2>something where they can not scam the government but work,

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.799
<v Speaker 2>then the current laws or rules to go, oh, we

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>could do this, this would make more money as soon

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>as anyone. It's like a lot of people bought evs

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 2>to save money right once, and then the government's like, nah,

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 2>we're going to put impose a levy on you because

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you don't buy petrol and we make money from petrol,

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 2>So because you're not buying petrol, we're going to charge

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.280
<v Speaker 2>you for this. I mean, it seems it seems very

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 2>hard to actually cut a brake, because as soon as

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 2>you figure out a way that you can, within the

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>laws and rules, do something that's financially beneficial for you,

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 2>someone's going to figure it out and then figure out

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 2>a way to penalize the thing that you're now doing.

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it just got me thinking, I don't

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 3>know what I didn't think about this before, Craigo. If

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 3>you're if the current tax is fifty one points something

0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:52.840
<v Speaker 3>since per liter of fuel, and you start to apply

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:57.360
<v Speaker 3>that same formula to electric cars, that could be crippling

0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 3>to those people. You know, people who've scrimped and saved

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 3>and got leases on cars and suddenly you're going to

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.160
<v Speaker 3>hit them up. I mean, that could be quite a

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.240
<v Speaker 3>lot of money if they're try I mean, they couldn't

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 3>do a one to one parody with petrol cars.

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and you think about, like, sorry, mate, the bottom

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.399
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the mill or still a very very

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 2>good car. But the Tesla three now you're still going

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to pay sixty grand for that, and that's your bottom

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 2>of the range versus say a Toyota Corolla, which is comparable,

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 2>but petrol you're going to pay maybe thirty grand. So

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:36.319
<v Speaker 2>your point of entry is double the price. But you go, well,

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pay double because I'm going to save

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:44.680
<v Speaker 2>so much money in not using combustible fuel, you know.

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>But then they go, nah, you're not using fuel, so

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.280
<v Speaker 2>we're missing out on the money that you're not spending

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 2>on fuel.

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So now we're going to.

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Tax you for this when you just paid sixty grand

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:57.320
<v Speaker 2>for an electric Corolla.

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, a friend of mine lives down the road. Just

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 3>when I was getting my first new car, which was

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 3>the hybrid the Manaster, she was looking for a new

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 3>car at the same time, and she decided to go

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 3>for a secondhand and leaf and so buying a second

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 3>vehicle because she couldn't afford to buy a.

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 4>New electric car.

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.800
<v Speaker 3>It's got a limited range, but she'll be slugged exactly

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 3>the same price as someone else with a one hundred

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 3>and twenty thousand dollars Mercedes Electric if as a road

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 3>user and it does open up, you know, how do

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 3>you encourage people to go electric if sudden they are

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 3>going to be slugged with a really big bill. I'm

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 3>really going to watch this one with a lot of

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 3>interest to see what they decide to hit people up

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 3>for because I'm really in two minds about it. I

0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 3>think we've got to be able to keep our roads

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.359
<v Speaker 3>in order. So I get that, I understand it, but

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I think they're going to really temper how much they

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 3>try to rip people for well.

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>And also when you go there's all of these people

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 2>driven by values, morals, ethics, whatever you want to call it,

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 2>who are going, I'm actually buying an electric car mainly

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.879
<v Speaker 2>because of the benefit to the environment. And then they

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 2>go and by the way, now you've got.

0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 3>To pay this, you know.

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think, actually, when ev sales incentivized by the government,

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't there a five thousand dollars bonus for some period

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>of time for buying one? Yeah?

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 4>I think so.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.439
<v Speaker 3>And I mean you mentioned the environmental impact, But there'd

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 3>be a lot of people out there who've bought an

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 3>electric car because it's going to save the money in

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 3>the long term. They look at how much that's going

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.359
<v Speaker 3>to cost them in fuel over twelve months post five

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 3>dollars to charge up the vehicle, and if you've got solar,

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>potentially it could cost you nothing to charge the if

0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 3>you're in a slow trickle charge. And now suddenly, where

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.879
<v Speaker 3>do you go with that? Because you're now try your

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 3>incentivizing people from doing it from a cost perspective.

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, sorry, I just I'm interested in this next one,

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Gemini's arrival on our geminis like, is that Google's version

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:56.240
<v Speaker 2>of AI?

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 3>That's I am so excited about this. I am the

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 3>side myself with excitement. So people who have smart homes

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 3>who are using Google, Yeah, I know my voice can

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:10.240
<v Speaker 3>go up as high as when I took about Tiff,

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 3>but it's still pretty excited. So with home speakers and

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 3>home automation at the moment, people who use Google. So

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 3>there's Alexa, which is the Amazon one, Siri which is

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:23.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of out there but not out there as much,

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 3>and then you've got Google Home. So Google Home currently

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 3>uses a basic form of Google interaction where I might say, hey, Google,

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 3>turn on the lights. And now Google's just heard me,

0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.440
<v Speaker 3>and every light in my house has just turned on?

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Did you hear that?

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Google was just asking me which lights I wanted to

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 3>turn on? So because it heard what I said, and

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 3>everybody else who's listening who's got Google Home Automation, I've

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.399
<v Speaker 3>just turned on all their lights as well. They've got

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 3>their speaker. Go sorry about that, guys. But at the moment,

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 3>it's very limited interaction now, so what Google wants to

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 3>do is incorporate Gemini to make the conversation a lot

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 3>more interactive. And it may be a case of I

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.279
<v Speaker 3>want to turn on the lights in my bedroom, but

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Google might come back and say, well, do you want

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 3>me to turn the stair lights on as well? And

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 3>the lights on downstairs because it knows that generally the

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 3>pattern is I turn my bedroom lights on first, I

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 3>get changed, get ready for Jim, and then go downstairs.

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 3>But because it knows that's that's the usual process, it

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 3>may prompt me and say, oh, do you want me

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:33.919
<v Speaker 3>to turn the stair lights on on the downstairs lights

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, So it talks about a much

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 3>more human interaction.

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:39.960
<v Speaker 4>I know that do you use claud Is that what

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 4>you used? Craigo?

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I use Chat, GPT pro and Claude.

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, sope. The type of conversational interactions has not

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 3>been there for the Google Home speakers, and that's what

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking forward to, having more of a conversation or

0:57:56.560 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 3>more natural interactions with those Google Home orders, and that's

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:03.439
<v Speaker 3>hopefully going to be rolled out later this year, which

0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 3>sounds pretty exciting.

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 2>And so that's is that one of those things that's

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 2>like a physical thing that sits on a bench and

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 2>you can just talk to it.

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, it sits on beside my bed, it sits in

0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:19.240
<v Speaker 3>the lounge room, it sits in my kitchen, it sits

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.160
<v Speaker 3>in my office. Basically, Google just minus as everything I'm doing,

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 3>and I'm carrying one in my pocket.

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>You can, I ask, so how big are these things?

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Like a small Google Home speaker would fit in the

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 3>palm of your hand. It's really tiny, the size of

0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:37.840
<v Speaker 3>a cup, a little bit wider, but just flat, like

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's really smart, like a.

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Hockey puck, which is not a good analogy for a

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 2>non sporting person.

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 3>A little bit bigger than a hockey puck. But yes,

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 3>that's lawless speakers. Two larger ones that have you know,

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 3>can be quite robust and larger bass sounds and all

0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing. And it's not just those, you know,

0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.000
<v Speaker 3>there's lots of other devices smart a lot of smart

0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 3>smart speakers now incorporate this as well. So and I've

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<v Speaker 3>got a Google Mesh system which is the retransmitting of

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<v Speaker 3>my WiFi. So because I have quite a large house,

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<v Speaker 3>and my studio spaces in the garage. I can use

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<v Speaker 3>my Google Mesh to create a larger footprint for my WiFi,

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<v Speaker 3>and each of those Google Mesh speakers, each of those

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<v Speaker 3>are also a Google speaker as well as a rebroadcaster

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<v Speaker 3>of my WiFi. So quite often people who have I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the same problem with your Wi Fi around

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<v Speaker 3>your place because of the way that it's set up.

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<v Speaker 3>You find that there are little pockets of areas in

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<v Speaker 3>your house that don't get good Wi Fi.

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<v Speaker 2>My WiFi is shit. I've been using my phone WiFi

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<v Speaker 2>for the last three weeks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you can create a Mesh system, which is

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<v Speaker 3>what Google has, it can rebroadcast and triple or quadruple

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<v Speaker 3>the footprint, which is really handy, which is what I've done.

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<v Speaker 3>But you also get the smart speaker technology built into

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:56.960
<v Speaker 3>those as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you've got two minutes for our last story.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, for the first time, maybe in history, we've gone

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<v Speaker 2>through every one of your stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and it's pretty close. So a thirty seven

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<v Speaker 3>year old guy, this was reported recently. He went to

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<v Speaker 3>chat GPT. He had a sore throat and he went

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<v Speaker 3>to chat CHEAPT and then months later doctors found out

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<v Speaker 3>that he actually had cancer, and chat gept said, Nah,

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't got cancer. You're fine. It's just a sore throat,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. Just suck on a lifesaver or something. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just jog it out. Yeah, jog it out, mate,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be fine. So I guess the moral of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know we've said this before. Don't rely on

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<v Speaker 3>medical diagnosis by chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 4>Please don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I had chat chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 2>He never tells you to suck on a lifesaver because

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<v Speaker 2>that could be a very different outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, not.

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<v Speaker 3>In the middle of country Victoria, it might have been easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Did what do you got going on this weekend?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? I don't know, Halps, I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just take it easy, take it easy.

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<v Speaker 5>Take it easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Just you and you a shock of redhair. Just walk

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<v Speaker 2>past a building site and see how you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Just mingle with the concrete is downstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to catch up and we'll go take

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<v Speaker 4>Fritzy and Luna for a walk? Oh? Yes, see that.

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<v Speaker 5>I have to be today, though I work tomorrow, I

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<v Speaker 5>can do it today. There we go, we'll get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking fuck what are you? Both you and my dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just raising my social life.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>If anyone's not busy today or tomorrow, Patrick needs some friends.

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<v Speaker 3>But Patrick needs a disparate desperate, aren't I. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to even more.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick, tell everyone about you about me?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think they've basically got it all now.

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<v Speaker 3>Now if they want to contact me, just go to

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<v Speaker 3>websites NOOW dot com today you and we can have

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<v Speaker 3>a chat about what is happening with your Google business profile.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect. Thank you, Patrick, thank you, Thanks, Thanks listeners,