Speaker 1: I get a tamt you project.
Speaker 2: It's Tiffany and Cook, Patrick, James Bonello and me with
Speaker 2: a beanie up at typ Central. That's how cold it
Speaker 2: is in my little studio at the moment.
Speaker 1: Is it warm where you are?
Speaker 3: Patrick, Well, it was three degrees when I took Fritzy
Speaker 3: out for a walk. But I had the forethought to
Speaker 3: put the heater on in my studio, so it was
Speaker 3: actually so warm.
Speaker 4: I've had to take all my clothes off.
Speaker 3: I've taken my market, my hoodie. I'm just sitting in
Speaker 3: a black T shirt.
Speaker 2: I dared to take your black T shirt off.
Speaker 3: Take you black, teach, Just do the topless show only
Speaker 3: if all three of us do.
Speaker 2: Well, definitely not, because that would be inappropriate, because nobody
Speaker 2: needs to see my tits.
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking to you.
Speaker 2: Ah, well, so many funny things I could say right now.
Speaker 2: Say no to them.
Speaker 4: I can say enormously they wasn't fit on the screen.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I actually think I might win the breast
Speaker 2: competition at typ Central, But you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's we probably don't need that competition.
Speaker 3: He's probably right if you see what he just looks like,
Speaker 3: he's what it is when you start to put a
Speaker 3: little bit of flab on and then you've got to
Speaker 3: wear across your heart.
Speaker 2: Me yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, or yeah, or I've
Speaker 2: got to gaffer take my cans up to my fucking clavicles.
Speaker 1: Just so they stay somewhere near horizontal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You get to a point where everything just starts
Speaker 2: falling down, right, even if you're in good shape, it's
Speaker 2: just like sh it's just falling down. Everything's pointing towards
Speaker 2: your feet. This is a tech podcast, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I'm technically correct with this.
Speaker 3: Yes, true. And gravity is a thing that does affect
Speaker 3: every wobbly bit, that is true.
Speaker 1: What are you drinking over there? A roll with a
Speaker 1: punch of central.
Speaker 5: I've got ginger tea cup of ginger tea this morning?
Speaker 2: That is that meant to have some kind of medicinal
Speaker 2: therapeutic calm your farm kind of vibe about it.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to calm my soul down a bit,
Speaker 5: you know. I feel like I could do with some
Speaker 5: of that at times.
Speaker 2: You should have a xanax casserole in the fridge that
Speaker 2: you can heat up at any time, just a little
Speaker 2: cutless poonfuls.
Speaker 5: It probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Do you know what xanax is, Patrick, He looks confused.
Speaker 4: You look confused, No idea what xenx is.
Speaker 2: It's an anti anxiotic drug, so it's a drug for anxiety.
Speaker 2: I don't recommend it.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 2: That was me being funny.
Speaker 1: I would never.
Speaker 2: Recommend a xenax castrole, more like a xanax sandwich. But
Speaker 2: cast roles never. So are just fucking with you. Do
Speaker 2: you take any medication regularly? Patrick, with your healthy, lean body?
Speaker 3: No, just just some supplements, you know, got to keep
Speaker 3: my eyron up in my BEE twelve, try to get
Speaker 3: as much in just food. But I do take supplements
Speaker 3: and vitamin D. I have a terrible vitamin D deficiency. Yeah,
Speaker 3: never going in the sun and being as pale as well.
Speaker 3: Actually I think I'm not as pale as you, but
Speaker 3: I'm still pretty pale.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's good for B twelve? What's that cow?
Speaker 4: I knew you're going to say that cow beef.
Speaker 2: Just get some of that into you. I won't tell anyone,
Speaker 2: We won't tell anyone. We'll keep it quiet. It'll be
Speaker 2: our little type, just the listeners. Us goes no further Patrick,
Speaker 2: had a hamburger.
Speaker 4: No, well the thing okay.
Speaker 1: Gorillas, Oh, I shouldn't have opened this door. No, don't know.
Speaker 3: In the world, and they're veget they're vegan as well.
Speaker 3: What is rhinoceros like the giant gorillas.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking shock you, but you're not
Speaker 2: a rhinoceros.
Speaker 4: Bro King Kong climbed all that way up.
Speaker 2: Never that's true. Well, that's true.
Speaker 4: Do you eat people in the movie?
Speaker 1: No, just climb.
Speaker 2: I'm on the fucking Empire State building and swatted biplanes.
Speaker 5: What brand of iron supplements did they take.
Speaker 1: At the day?
Speaker 4: I think it was the TV they what all?
Speaker 3: They just?
Speaker 5: Oh, they didn't need it because they plant. They were
Speaker 5: built to eat plants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, gorillas et seventy pounds of fruit to day.
Speaker 2: So if you can do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm about one hundredth of the size of
Speaker 3: the gorilla, despite my outward appearance.
Speaker 2: And I'll come over to your joint and stand behind
Speaker 2: you and pick knits off your back and out of
Speaker 2: your hair.
Speaker 3: Someone said to me once my arms were disproportionately longer
Speaker 3: than the rest of my body, and I put it
Speaker 3: down to my family just climbing down from the trees
Speaker 3: later than everybody else.
Speaker 2: Well, you're fifteen percent orangutan, just like tips thirty percent, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've all got our heritage and our genetic.
Speaker 3: Actually, given the color of her hair, she's probably got
Speaker 3: a bit of a rangutank in there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll tell people what TIF looks like the morning,
Speaker 2: because it's quite She keeps saying, Oh, I haven't changed anything.
Speaker 4: She's studying. She's so hot? Is can I say that?
Speaker 4: I've just said it.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're a gay dude, you can say that,
Speaker 2: but if you're a straight dude, you can't. Because isn't
Speaker 2: it funny that telling somebody that they're attractive is a
Speaker 2: big no no.
Speaker 1: Do not tell them that you're a pig?
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the context as well, on the
Speaker 3: way you say it. Does it potentially not a good idea?
Speaker 2: Well, that's not what we're talking about, you know, leaning
Speaker 2: over a fucking some kind of fence on a building site,
Speaker 2: fucking just with all your mates, just dribbling down the
Speaker 2: front of your big m T shirt.
Speaker 4: I hope that doesn't I hope it doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Tif, how are you?
Speaker 2: If you read your red rang our curly hair.
Speaker 5: It couldn't be better.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got one gay bloke that wants to grope you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's winning.
Speaker 5: They're my favorite that.
Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't really favorite boyfriends.
Speaker 5: They're the only one I like back.
Speaker 3: I want to give her a heart.
Speaker 2: Do you know what? You two would be the greatest
Speaker 2: couple of all time because you're never going to have
Speaker 2: sex problems. And when you go to if I'm just
Speaker 2: off for a route, she'll be like to see you
Speaker 2: when you get back, I make a casse role and
Speaker 2: when she does the same, When she does the same,
Speaker 2: she'll come home and debrief you.
Speaker 4: And I'll say, hit the lentence.
Speaker 2: Jew's ready, that's right?
Speaker 1: And do you want to watch Priscilla again?
Speaker 2: Oh? God? Patrick doesn't think anybody's still listening.
Speaker 3: Not a chance, not a chance. In fact, my dog's
Speaker 3: not even listening. He's just looking away.
Speaker 1: What did you say, Patrick's your backup plan?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he doesn't know yet, my backup plan. When I
Speaker 5: get sick of the city, I'm going to move to
Speaker 5: the land.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Yeah, come movie with me?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: How come your voice just went up seven octaves.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about Tiff moving in with me, Like
Speaker 3: she's great and she can teach me how to box.
Speaker 3: That'll be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you can. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: can teach you. Hey, Patrick, Welcome to the show. Patrick Beranello.
Speaker 2: Hi comes every week? Well when I say comes, it
Speaker 2: does the podcast every I don't know how often he comes,
Speaker 2: but he's here on this show every two weeks. We're
Speaker 2: not that kind of show, but here he is welcome.
Speaker 4: Can I say that this is our third effort at
Speaker 4: doing the show?
Speaker 3: So I got canceled yesterday morning because I can't remember
Speaker 3: the stuff going on, and then we reach it and
Speaker 3: then I'll tell you what though. Can I give a
Speaker 3: plug to something that I did straight after our conversation
Speaker 3: last night, because I think it's a really important issue.
Speaker 3: It's I went and saw a movie which was a fundraiser,
Speaker 3: a charity fundraiser for a local film that's called Just
Speaker 3: a Farmer And it's a story about the stress and
Speaker 3: I won't go I don't want to talk too much
Speaker 3: about it, but it talks about the suicide rate amongst
Speaker 3: Australian farmers is so ridiculously high, the stress levels that
Speaker 3: they're under, the adversity that they face, and our local
Speaker 3: community wants to raise awareness and office support because I'm
Speaker 3: involved with an organization called the West Moirable Foundation, and
Speaker 3: so they put on this event and they sold out.
Speaker 3: All the tickets were free, but all the tickets just went,
Speaker 3: which was amazing that the community supported it. But if
Speaker 3: you get a chance to see just a Farmer, you've
Speaker 3: got to go and see it. If you see I
Speaker 3: know that it's cliche if you don't see anything this year,
Speaker 3: see this, but no, it is. It's an amazing event
Speaker 3: and it's just raising awareness of the plight of Australian
Speaker 3: farmers and how hard they do it. And seriously, they
Speaker 3: had tissue boxes around the venue because it was so
Speaker 3: moving to see what even though in the first five
Speaker 3: minutes they did do a vegan joke.
Speaker 2: That's great. While I'm going, I actually am aware of
Speaker 2: that movie Patrick, because I saw I don't know what
Speaker 2: it was, maybe Australian story. It was either the ABC
Speaker 2: or SBS. They did a like a you know how
Speaker 2: they have I don't know, one of those thirty minute
Speaker 2: kind of mini docco shows, and I think there was
Speaker 2: a lady on talking about it.
Speaker 3: She was great, so the director and she also starred
Speaker 3: in it, I think is the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, well she was brilliant. Was that actually? Because you
Speaker 2: know something's good because I tend to flick and I
Speaker 2: just watched a minute or two and then I just
Speaker 2: watched the whole thing because it was very good.
Speaker 1: So thanks for bringing that to our awareness.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about technology now, because that is your actual
Speaker 2: job description. Oh yeah, and you haven't sent me an
Speaker 2: invoice for a while, so you better.
Speaker 3: Years.
Speaker 2: Well, we can only backtrack four weeks. That's in the agreement.
Speaker 2: Tell us about online safety, crime stoppers, what are they
Speaker 2: up to?
Speaker 4: This is crime stock.
Speaker 3: There's so much concern at the moment for the fact
Speaker 3: that there's missing, not so much misinformation, but people are
Speaker 3: going on to Facebook and reporting crimes to their communities,
Speaker 3: and crime stoppers are saying, don't think just because you've
Speaker 3: posted it on Facebook that it's going to filter its
Speaker 3: way through to crime stoppers and the police. They're saying,
Speaker 3: call the police first, don't post about it.
Speaker 4: So this is happening a lot.
Speaker 3: So what's happening is people are posting on social media
Speaker 3: and they reckon that this can actually do more harm
Speaker 3: than good because it's unverified information, you know, and that
Speaker 3: could escalate fear, it leads to misinformation, it could even
Speaker 3: you know, cause vigilante behavior. Think about it, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're it's kind of almost jury by media or
Speaker 3: jury by social media. And so crime Stoppers had to
Speaker 3: come out and just say please, please, please, And you know,
Speaker 3: there was an interesting statement from Tasmania's crime stoppers boss,
Speaker 3: a guy by the name of David Daniels, and he
Speaker 3: said posting to social media provided a false sense of action.
Speaker 3: And I thought that actually makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 3: because you know, if you're all pens up about something
Speaker 3: that's happened and you posted on socials, you get it
Speaker 3: off your chest. Do you think, right now I've done
Speaker 3: my bit? But you're not, And in fact, you could
Speaker 3: be doing the wrong thing because just by typing it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's going to go to the police. So
Speaker 3: just a bit of a community service announcement from typ
Speaker 3: oh perfect.
Speaker 2: And I guess also the other thing is that people
Speaker 2: not everything that people put up as accurate or true, right,
Speaker 2: So if you're believing everything that you're reading, you might
Speaker 2: take action on something that actually isn't true, or you
Speaker 2: might prepare for something or get stressed about something that
Speaker 2: didn't happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, go to your profile page on your website.
Speaker 2: There we go, come on that say, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's probably not true. It probably says a whole lot
Speaker 2: of good ship when we know. That's good point. Thanks
Speaker 2: for that, and apparently I have reason to hesitate next
Speaker 2: time I want to send a nudy a Noodi pic.
Speaker 4: Well, not necessarily because you use an iPhone, don't you.
Speaker 2: Wow, you can, I have to stand way back.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
Speaker 3: But yep, yeah, you know I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 3: to actually admit something I do send. I have seen
Speaker 3: a number of dick pics to my elderly female friends.
Speaker 3: Richard Nixon Ox.
Speaker 2: See what you did there? I see what you did there?
Speaker 4: Hey? No, okay.
Speaker 3: So Android is the operating system of a lot of phones,
Speaker 3: so Google phones, so Pixels, Samsung phones, Opo.
Speaker 4: Huawei, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: And what this starting to do is there there's a
Speaker 3: suggestion that going to start blurring sensitive or offensive images
Speaker 3: by default. So I don't know how they're going to
Speaker 3: work that one out. But you can turn the setting off,
Speaker 3: So there's good news. If you're using an Android phone,
Speaker 3: you can turn this privacy safeguard feature. I love how
Speaker 3: they call it a privacy safeguard pop up.
Speaker 4: You're telling nudies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if I sent through a photo of
Speaker 2: myself to you if it had blur out my nose.
Speaker 2: But leave everything else intact, because that's way more offensive
Speaker 2: than anything else I've got.
Speaker 3: Well, evidently, in Google messages, images that are flagged as
Speaker 3: nudity are being blurred before you open them, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of a bit of a warm so if someone
Speaker 3: sends you on in fact that that kind of makes sense,
Speaker 3: because if you're not expecting it and something gets sent through,
Speaker 3: then it's probably not a bad thing. But it's Google's
Speaker 3: what they call Sensitive Content Warning System, and the idea
Speaker 3: is behind it is to protect people from receiving unwanted
Speaker 3: explicit photos. So it's about receiving the photos as opposed
Speaker 3: to sending the photos. But I reckon, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: always in two minds as a journalist as to whether
Speaker 3: we need somebody to be editing our lives for.
Speaker 2: I agree, I one hundred percent agree. Like if I mean, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of shit that goes on.
Speaker 2: But if you're a part of a couple and you
Speaker 2: want to send your partner something which I never would
Speaker 2: never have but mainly because I've never been part of
Speaker 2: a couple, But like, why shouldn't you be able to like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not saying this should be a priority,
Speaker 2: but like when someone's saying you can't send your partner
Speaker 2: a picture of you, and we're making that determination, not you.
Speaker 2: It's you, it's your photo, it's your phone, it's your life.
Speaker 1: But no, we're not letting you do that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really I think people should be
Speaker 2: able to do that.
Speaker 4: Can I just make a decision?
Speaker 3: Craigi, you know you can actually send delayed texts, So
Speaker 3: what you can do? You could send a nudy to
Speaker 3: yourself delayed ten minutes or half an hour, and right
Speaker 3: now you've forgot your first explicit pick sent to you
Speaker 3: by yourself.
Speaker 2: Great, Great, that'll make me feel better. That's not sad
Speaker 2: at all, that's not pathetic at all.
Speaker 3: You can use AI to change your face and maybe
Speaker 3: AI to change.
Speaker 1: Could you never become a therapist?
Speaker 2: You'd be shit at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I'd be very good, would I? Hey,
Speaker 3: you know talking about camera rolls and photos and stuff.
Speaker 3: Can I talk about something else? Because these Facebook's now
Speaker 3: going to well, it's not just Facebook, it's actually all
Speaker 3: of the Facebook sweet And what I mean by that
Speaker 3: is meta owns Facebook, and that means it's Instagram and WhatsApp.
Speaker 3: But it seems that a new setting has appeared, and
Speaker 3: by default it can look through your library of photos
Speaker 3: to make suggestions. So say, for example, you post something
Speaker 3: on Insta and it says, oh, I found another photo
Speaker 3: that might be relevant to what you're posting about, creepy
Speaker 3: or what, because that means it's looking through your library
Speaker 3: of photos. See, when you go to post something, you
Speaker 3: look through, you curate it, and then you decide you
Speaker 3: want to make that a public photo. So off those
Speaker 3: But now by default what it's doing is Insta and
Speaker 3: Facebook potentially could be looking through your photo library and
Speaker 3: it's not taking the images away, but it's scanning them
Speaker 3: to look for suggestions. And that to me is so creepy.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything digging around my phone and looking
Speaker 3: at morm the photos and stuff. You know, the person
Speaker 3: or Schnauzer picks.
Speaker 2: Yes, we don't know that you or your schnaus are
Speaker 2: out in the world, do we damedna.
Speaker 1: What I was going to.
Speaker 2: Ask you a question pursuant to this.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: You know how people say, even when I'm my phone,
Speaker 2: I'm not on my phone, but my phone's near me,
Speaker 2: people go, oh, it's still listening, as in, it's still
Speaker 2: hearing what you're saying, even though it's you're not on
Speaker 2: a call. So it's not for that purpose. It's not functional,
Speaker 2: it's not operating.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Does it for one of a more accurate technical term,
Speaker 2: does it hear what you're saying?
Speaker 4: Okay? In different applications.
Speaker 3: Yes, So Facebook has been accused and they're saying that
Speaker 3: it's been accused of monitoring conversations and to serve up
Speaker 3: ads related to what you've been talking about. Now that's
Speaker 3: been nipped in the butt because it was a legal
Speaker 3: case about it.
Speaker 4: The other thing is, if you.
Speaker 3: Use smart speakers or smart devices in your home, then
Speaker 3: your phone. If you use any sort of AI on
Speaker 3: your phone, or any sort of engagement where you ask
Speaker 3: your phone what the weather is, then it's in a
Speaker 3: passive listening mode. So it's called constantly listening, but it's
Speaker 3: waiting for key phrases before it acts. So what Gil
Speaker 3: says is that we're listening, yes, but we're not listening contextually.
Speaker 3: We're just listening out for the key phrase of say
Speaker 3: hey Google. Now after saying that, my phone just live
Speaker 3: up because it's now listening for me to talk to it. So,
Speaker 3: but our whole conversation prior to that, for the last
Speaker 3: twenty minutes, nothing's been active on my phone, so it
Speaker 3: didn't light up to say that it was now interacting
Speaker 3: with me until I used those key phrases.
Speaker 4: So yes and no is the answer to that question.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, because so many times I've yeah, I've had
Speaker 2: a chat with someone, and one recently about it motorbike,
Speaker 2: a particular motorbike, not just motorbike, particular motorbike, and when
Speaker 2: I jumped on my phone, there was an ad for
Speaker 2: that motorbike, but that I've never ever seen an ad for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit of a frightening when you think
Speaker 3: about it. And look, the answer to that is there's
Speaker 3: so much speculation online. People talk about it a lot.
Speaker 3: The companies who manufacture our phone say they don't do it.
Speaker 3: Meta God in trouble. Facebook, God in trouble for doing it,
Speaker 3: but allegedly that's been switched off. So look, the reality
Speaker 3: of it is, we use a lot of these services
Speaker 3: that are all free. But we know we've spoken many
Speaker 3: times about this. It's not free because we're giving over
Speaker 3: as much content and that's how they serve up their ads.
Speaker 3: That's why they can go to their advertisers and say, well,
Speaker 3: we've got two point six billion people who were constantly
Speaker 3: on their phones.
Speaker 4: And that's why they give you Facebook for free.
Speaker 3: That's why they give you Instagram for free and all
Speaker 3: those other things, because it means that they've got data.
Speaker 2: What's happening. What's the latest on the potential media ban
Speaker 2: or social media ban for kids that we've heard a
Speaker 2: lot about.
Speaker 3: This is a really interesting one because it is coming
Speaker 3: into force. I think it's the tenth of December. I
Speaker 3: think I wrote something about it somewhere in our notes
Speaker 3: and I can't.
Speaker 4: Remember, but it's in December.
Speaker 3: I think it's the tough that will mean is that
Speaker 3: children under the age of sixteen will be banned from
Speaker 3: social media. But now there is a push from the
Speaker 3: overriding authorities saying they actually need to start the ban
Speaker 3: preparations now because there's a concern that young people might
Speaker 3: just go into their social media and change their age
Speaker 3: from fourteen to nineteen. And so I mean, of course
Speaker 3: they're thinking about it now, since they know they announced
Speaker 3: it a year ago, it has probably already done that anyway.
Speaker 3: So the e Safety Commission is the person in Australia
Speaker 3: who I guess oversees and was part of the committee
Speaker 3: of experts looking into that, and interestingly, one of those
Speaker 3: experts pull the pin on the whole program. It was
Speaker 3: the Frontiers guy. I'll think of his name in a moment.
Speaker 3: But effectively, there are concerns over whether or not kids
Speaker 3: are going to start switching over their phones now, so
Speaker 3: that's one thing.
Speaker 4: So there's a bit of pressure being put on Meta.
Speaker 3: And Google and TikTok and all the other social media
Speaker 3: companies to start preparing for this and stopping kids being
Speaker 3: able to change their birthdays. One of the things that
Speaker 3: they're saying will happen is their accounts will not be
Speaker 3: deleted but deactivated right and they will allow the option
Speaker 3: to be able to download their data. Because at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, if you're a really tech savvy
Speaker 3: fourteen year old and you've been doing a YouTube video
Speaker 3: channel on something that you're interested on, skateboarding for example,
Speaker 3: you'd be freaking out right now because a it could
Speaker 3: have been a really successful channel, and now you're thinking, well,
Speaker 3: I've got to download all my staff.
Speaker 4: This belongs to me. I've created it.
Speaker 3: So potentially it could mean that they could deactivate it
Speaker 3: and then in two years time reactivate it, but they're
Speaker 3: definitely saying not to be deleted. The idea is that
Speaker 3: it would be deactivated when the band comes in.
Speaker 2: Speaking on behalf of the kids, of which I was
Speaker 2: one once, it seems unfair for for the kids who
Speaker 2: don't have massive issues, or who aren't addicted, or who
Speaker 2: use it in a sensible practical way. And I know
Speaker 2: a lot don't, but not everyone does. You know. It's
Speaker 2: like there's like anyone who's overrated and can drink booze. Well,
Speaker 2: we know how destructive it is, how much sickness and
Speaker 2: disease it causes, how many road accidents and deaths it causes,
Speaker 2: But you know that's not most people. Most people are
Speaker 2: not doing that, so we permit it.
Speaker 3: And sorry, Craig, there's a concrete argument about giving kids alcohol.
Speaker 3: All of my Italian friends, all of my Austrian friends,
Speaker 3: they were allowed to have small So the Austrians would
Speaker 3: have drunk a little bit of beer when they were thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 3: fifteen with a meal, and a lot of the Italian
Speaker 3: friends would have a glass of wine or a little
Speaker 3: bit of wine during a meal. And for a lot
Speaker 3: of them, when they reach that magic age of eighteen
Speaker 3: when everything's leap, it wasn't a big thing for them
Speaker 3: because they've already had some and they weren't going to
Speaker 3: and so really, in a lot of ways, it was
Speaker 3: desensitizing them to the mystique around alcohol. You know, you
Speaker 3: suddenly go to your first eighteenth and end up absolutely
Speaker 3: paralytic because you've drunk to exist.
Speaker 4: But if you've had experience with.
Speaker 3: Drinking in a controlled environment that's condoned by your parents,
Speaker 3: it actually becomes demystified, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, And I mean, well we're getting
Speaker 2: off track. We'll come back to that matter at hand.
Speaker 2: But you think about in Victoria, where when you're seventeen
Speaker 2: and eleven point nine months, you can't drink, you can't drive,
Speaker 2: you can't vote, you can't do a myriad of things
Speaker 2: and now we go, oh, on this day, now you
Speaker 2: can do it all. Now.
Speaker 1: Of course, you can't drink and drive.
Speaker 2: Legally, but you can drink legally and you can drive legally.
Speaker 2: So on the same day we're giving people their license
Speaker 2: and also access to booze in a legal capacity.
Speaker 3: Although yes and no, because if you're driving and you're
Speaker 3: under a pea plate, you can't drink.
Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. You can't drink and drive.
Speaker 2: I said that, yeah, But what I mean is you
Speaker 2: can legally drink. I'm not saying with driving, but you
Speaker 2: can also drive, and you can also vote, and you
Speaker 2: can you know, there's so many things that you're allowed
Speaker 2: to do on one day. When I think, you know,
Speaker 2: Tazzy at sixteen, I think South Australia at sixteen and
Speaker 2: New South Wales at seventeen, where you can drive, you know,
Speaker 2: and people are like, oh, they're two to this or that.
Speaker 2: I go, do you know how fucking great their eyesight
Speaker 2: is and their judgment and their dexterity? And compare that
Speaker 2: to my mum who drives, God bless her, She's eighty six.
Speaker 2: Fucking hell, Get out of the way. If you see
Speaker 2: Mary fucking Duck under a hedge.
Speaker 3: You know, I truck a sixteen year old behind the
Speaker 3: wheel of the.
Speaker 4: Carb be for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean sixteen year olds, you know, unless they're being irresponsible.
Speaker 2: But I just think to give them that responsibility and
Speaker 2: to value them and respect them in that way, and
Speaker 2: give them an opportunity not to be a dickhead, but
Speaker 2: just go all right, So you can't drink and you
Speaker 2: can't vote, but for the next year or two, you
Speaker 2: can develop driving skills and awareness and a level of
Speaker 2: competence that by the time you're eighteen, you've now got
Speaker 2: two years of driving under your belt. You're an experienced,
Speaker 2: somewhat experienced road user. I just think that's a much
Speaker 2: smarter you know, the fact that we think seventy year
Speaker 2: olds can drive or have potential to drive better just
Speaker 2: because they've done it for a long time. Like, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of physiological and cognitive and eyesight and all
Speaker 2: of those things typically not with everyone, but deterioration. So
Speaker 2: what were we talking about? Actually, social media band? What
Speaker 2: about for those who have businesses, mate and make money?
Speaker 4: It's an age restriction that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: We know at the moment that ninety five percent of
Speaker 3: Australian children between the age of ten and fifteen year
Speaker 3: old have at least one social media account. Ninety five percent.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of young people who are going
Speaker 3: to be affected by this. It's a heck of a lot.
Speaker 3: And as I said, you know that the call or
Speaker 3: the moment is to deactivate the accounts and impose some
Speaker 3: sort of limitation. The fines are going to be pretty
Speaker 3: big because at the moment, this consultation that's been going
Speaker 3: on has come up with these guidelines for what they
Speaker 3: call reasonable steps that social media companies will have to
Speaker 3: take to enforce the ban, and the fine are forty
Speaker 3: nine point five million dollars, which is a drop in
Speaker 3: the ocean, we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean most kids can afford that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mean the kids, it's the social media
Speaker 3: think the kids are.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's a lot of pocket money. Bro. Hey tell
Speaker 2: me why when Google says jump, businesses say how high?
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: This is a really interesting one. And I've got to
Speaker 3: say I had to do a double take. I read
Speaker 3: the article and then I sent it to my collegue
Speaker 3: Robert to read the article because this affects a lot
Speaker 3: of our clients. When you have a Google business listing, okay,
Speaker 3: so it's separate from a website. So you type in
Speaker 3: I don't know plumber Hampton and a list of plumbers
Speaker 3: comes up. But on the right hand side you have
Speaker 3: the Google business listing, which might have a map, could
Speaker 3: have some photographs, and then it's got links to website.
Speaker 4: Now this is a bugbear with me.
Speaker 3: Cafes tend to not have websites, and you go to
Speaker 3: the website link, it takes you to Facebook, and you
Speaker 3: go to Facebook and you can't find the menu, and
Speaker 3: then when you finally find the menu and the feed,
Speaker 3: it's really crap quality because Facebook compacts it and optimizes
Speaker 3: the image, but doesn't optimize the image for reading. So
Speaker 3: what Google is going to do is now stop all
Speaker 3: of those businesses that don't have websites and nominate Facebook
Speaker 3: or social media as that primary link. Then that's going
Speaker 3: to mean they're not going to be allowed to do
Speaker 3: that anymore. So, in essence, if you want to promote
Speaker 3: your business using your Google Business listing, you may be
Speaker 3: restricted or you may be forced to go out and
Speaker 3: get a website, and so I'm into minds about this
Speaker 3: because as an end user, it frustrates me because if
Speaker 3: I want to go to the website, I want to
Speaker 3: know where they are, I want to see their menu.
Speaker 3: Then that's important, But I just hate the fact that
Speaker 3: Google as the major search engine, and we know it
Speaker 3: is the major search engine on the planet. Once they
Speaker 3: make a decision, everybody is then impacted by that, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot of small businesses that might have to
Speaker 3: fork out money to do this. So you know, it
Speaker 3: kind of hits the nerve in two different ways. In
Speaker 3: some ways, I think it's a good idea. But so
Speaker 3: for example, if you also have a book now button
Speaker 3: and you click the button to book say accommodation or
Speaker 3: order now to order food, it has to go to
Speaker 3: the specific area that it says. It can't be just
Speaker 3: a random link on a general website. In the same way,
Speaker 3: if you want to go to gym's mowing in Saint Kilda,
Speaker 3: you can't just go to the general gym's mowing website.
Speaker 3: It has to take you to the Sin Kilda website.
Speaker 3: And again that means the onus is going to have
Speaker 3: to be on big companies that have lots of franchise
Speaker 3: operators to not just go to a generic location, but
Speaker 3: to specifically have the location that you're searching for. It's
Speaker 3: going to make searching a little bit better too.
Speaker 2: Wow, if only, Tiff, we knew somebody who built websites.
Speaker 1: I mean, fuck, that would be if only there was
Speaker 1: someone on this call.
Speaker 2: You know exactly why we're talking about this topic, Tif,
Speaker 2: don't you?
Speaker 4: It does seem serving sides?
Speaker 2: Ah ah, oh my god, that's right. I build websites.
Speaker 2: I could be part of the cure to this cancer.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean that at all.
Speaker 2: No, no, fucking hell. Could you make it a bit
Speaker 2: less thinly disguised? Next Times now, Dot come today you exactly?
Speaker 2: Can you tell us why two billion smartphones are now
Speaker 2: global earthquake warning systems?
Speaker 4: That's a cool thing, don't you reckon?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, y'all want to know when an earthquake's coming?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly just when you.
Speaker 4: I guess you'd love to know when the Earth's going
Speaker 4: to move for you.
Speaker 3: So what's happened is Google has been inside each of
Speaker 3: our phones. We have, you know, basically, an ability to
Speaker 3: detect where the phone's being moved, when the phone's being moved.
Speaker 3: It's called an accelerometer, and Google has employed the use
Speaker 3: of these in a passive way a lot with all
Speaker 3: of their phones. So say, for example, the three of
Speaker 3: us are in a location and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it detects a slight movement, and then suddenly everybody around
Speaker 3: us there's more movement. Well, it's it's basically a massive seismometer,
Speaker 3: and now they're able to use it as an early
Speaker 3: warning system. So this has been rolled out in ninety
Speaker 3: eight countries. It's kind of a motion sensor. That's that's
Speaker 3: kind of a mesh of motion sensors right around the world,
Speaker 3: and it's called Android's Earthquake Alert system. So the AA
Speaker 3: ye it's been it's been around for a little while,
Speaker 3: but it's I just kind of thought it was so cool,
Speaker 3: you know, two point five billion phones around the planet
Speaker 3: being used in a positive way.
Speaker 2: Well see whether people are meteorologists. Patrick's making you redundant
Speaker 2: via the U project. Hey, I don't don't tell me
Speaker 2: what this means, but I want to tell you what
Speaker 2: I think. The next topic is airborne wind turbine with
Speaker 2: one mega what output set for testing in China? So
Speaker 2: airborne to me it's in the air. It's a wind
Speaker 2: turbine and it's producing power or electricity. Okay, but it's
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 3: So imagine the Hindenburg cut in half but not exploding
Speaker 3: in flames.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to people what the Hindenburg is? I
Speaker 2: know it at TIF Do you know what the Hindenburg is?
Speaker 3: Negative?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? So stop moving forward, Patrick thinking everyone's you
Speaker 2: remember external self awareness period? Mind all that shit I
Speaker 2: taught you, all.
Speaker 4: Right, dirigible a hot air balloon, a flow.
Speaker 1: There we go, there we go.
Speaker 3: That's not a UFO, so effectively what it is, it's
Speaker 3: a giant balloon, but it's kind of hollowed out in
Speaker 3: the middle. It's got a turbine at the front, it's
Speaker 3: got little fins at the back to direct it. But
Speaker 3: it's going to be one point five kilometers up like
Speaker 3: it's really high to take advantage of the high speed
Speaker 3: winds that are in that part of the atmosphere. And
Speaker 3: they're testing this at the moment in charge China, because
Speaker 3: they're talking about a massive amount of wind up there
Speaker 3: that can then be turned into quite large amounts of electricity.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what's going to happen in terms of planes.
Speaker 3: So I guess there'll be no fly zones and they'll
Speaker 3: put it in areas where there's no air traffic. But
Speaker 3: that could be pretty cool. And if you think of
Speaker 3: the ability to be a and we're talking quite a
Speaker 3: significant amount of electricity being able to be generated constantly
Speaker 3: because there's always that movement of air in those higher
Speaker 3: up atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Can you go to your computer right now and type
Speaker 2: in Zeppelin ze double pel I, not the group, just Zeppelin, the.
Speaker 4: Word in front of it, don't put lead in front
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'll see what Patrick's or a few versions
Speaker 2: of what Patrick's so hit images and you'll see so yeah,
Speaker 2: they're kind of almost like a hybrid of a plane
Speaker 2: and a balloon.
Speaker 1: And that's amazing, mate.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess they're going to have to like,
Speaker 2: is this happening or is this just a no?
Speaker 4: They're testing in China.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they reckon. They could run for twenty five
Speaker 3: years without interruption, is what they say.
Speaker 4: And we're talking one.
Speaker 3: Megawatt output, like it's a ton of electricity. So it's
Speaker 3: called the S fifteen hundred and it's just a yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's they're saying that it could also be deployed
Speaker 3: in locations where they've been natural disasters. So if the
Speaker 3: infrastructure has been destroyed or something's happened, they could put
Speaker 3: these wind turbines up, these power generating airships, and at
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred meters high they can leave ridge all those
Speaker 3: really strong winds and be able to generate electricity.
Speaker 2: That's good. I like that. Let's talk about cars. I'm
Speaker 2: going to start with your last dot point and then
Speaker 2: you can go wherever you want. But Porsche considering adding
Speaker 2: fake engine sounds for their evs, which you can already
Speaker 2: get that in some other evs, but it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fake V eight sounds and yeah, you know, just coming
Speaker 2: out of a speaker.
Speaker 3: And gear shifting as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one I can't see.
Speaker 3: There was talk a few years ago when the first
Speaker 3: lot of electric cars hit the market, not actually not
Speaker 3: the first lot of electric cars, because the first lot
Speaker 3: of electric cars were in the late early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: but that was never a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 2: So there was almost like three waves because there was
Speaker 2: a Toyota Prius right in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then tests.
Speaker 4: Like wasn't that a hybrid?
Speaker 1: I know there were hybrid and actual plug and electric.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4: Cool, tif can you just look for it the first.
Speaker 2: He doesn't fucking believe me.
Speaker 1: I did say, that's right.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Toyota, Prius electric, full electric.
Speaker 1: So all right, you keep talking.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Porsche wants to add this, but it has
Speaker 3: it's not a precedent because there was a talk. There
Speaker 3: was actually talk a little while ago to force car
Speaker 3: makers to actually deliberately make engine noise sounds so that
Speaker 3: in car parks where it's really quiet, people.
Speaker 4: Don't get run over by electric cars.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have eyes, but for people who might
Speaker 3: be vision impaired, you potentially could be crossing over and
Speaker 3: not hear an electric car coming.
Speaker 1: I've always thought that. I mean, there's where I live.
Speaker 2: I would say twenty percent of the cars are electric
Speaker 2: around my like, there are just a lot of electric cars,
Speaker 2: and yeah there's I mean, I've never nearly died, but
Speaker 2: there's times when I could have just stepped out because
Speaker 2: there was no noise. And then you have some fucking
Speaker 2: you know, Tesla rocket by and you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: glad I paid attention.
Speaker 5: What do you got to So we're looking at the
Speaker 5: Toyota Prez full electric. Yeah yeah, seven in Japan only
Speaker 5: and two year two thousand worldwide.
Speaker 2: But still so that's quarter.
Speaker 1: Of a century.
Speaker 2: And what about Chevy Vault, which was here called a
Speaker 2: Holden Vault. I think that also came out in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands as fully electric, So I think that
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But you know, there was like that, and then really.
Speaker 2: Tesla just hijacked it or didn't they?
Speaker 4: Oh look absolutely, do you.
Speaker 3: Say hijacked it just sound a bit kind of mean.
Speaker 3: And they just did well. They marketed really well. They
Speaker 3: produced exceptional vehicles that had great range and all the
Speaker 3: things that people were worried about, because range has always
Speaker 3: been the biggest thing, particularly for Australian car buyers. Think
Speaker 3: the stats for August was one in ten cars purchased
Speaker 3: in Australia was an electric car, that said by d
Speaker 3: for the first time in August, just by percentage on
Speaker 3: all of the vehicles sold, just tipped Tesla off the
Speaker 3: top of the pole, just by a little. So if
Speaker 3: you combine all the sales of all their range of
Speaker 3: models of electric cars, they beat out Tesla for the
Speaker 3: first time. I still think that Tesla the Y model
Speaker 3: is still the most popular car in the electric car
Speaker 3: in Australia by sales, just on an individual model.
Speaker 2: How do we go tip with a Vault seven as well?
Speaker 1: What was I going to say? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I mean I'm a car head. I'm always reading.
Speaker 2: Not that I buy a lot of cars, but I
Speaker 2: used to. But I'm always reading reviews and that you know,
Speaker 2: remember remember back in the day, Patrick, when Korean cars
Speaker 2: were frowned upon by Assies. What are you laughing at?
Speaker 5: Because just being realized I much head, says the guy
Speaker 5: who drives this Zuki Swift.
Speaker 2: That's very hurtful.
Speaker 3: That's very hurtful, very funny. That's so true, though.
Speaker 2: Can I say I do have another car that isn't
Speaker 2: a Suzuki Swift.
Speaker 3: But you had that Suzuki for a long time before
Speaker 3: you bought the new car.
Speaker 2: I think you.
Speaker 1: Guys underestimate my Suzuki Swift.
Speaker 5: Tried to talk me into buy I guess Azuki Swift.
Speaker 3: So hurtfulful way to butch to drive a Suzuki Swift.
Speaker 2: That's not true, Oh she is, yet I'm not. I
Speaker 2: could drive a fucking Barbie Beetle, you know, with a
Speaker 2: fucking moon roof.
Speaker 1: All right, continue on, Patrick, and I.
Speaker 4: Just ask here's one.
Speaker 3: Do you think electric car owners should be paying a
Speaker 3: road levee?
Speaker 2: Why? Like, why would they?
Speaker 3: Well, because there's a real problem at the moment with
Speaker 3: that many electric cars that people aren't paying their way
Speaker 3: because when we buy traditional fuel, part of the money
Speaker 3: that's raised in taxes goes to repairing roads and maintenance
Speaker 3: of roads. And they tried it in Victoria to bring
Speaker 3: in a levee for electric cars, but it was ruled
Speaker 3: an illegal action because it has to happen at a
Speaker 3: federal level. And now the federal government is saying they're
Speaker 3: going to bring it in. So they say that you know,
Speaker 3: so basically it's a road user charge. You know, if
Speaker 3: you're driving an electric car, you're driving on the roads,
Speaker 3: then you need to pay some sort of levee to
Speaker 3: be able to keep those roads maintained. So and the
Speaker 3: prime ministers come out and said, but basically, we need
Speaker 3: some sort of sustainable revenue to keep our roads in good.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 3: And you know, with one in ten cars now being electric,
Speaker 3: they're going to try to overhaul the rules and extend
Speaker 3: it to electric cars.
Speaker 2: That's why hybrids are the way to go because they're
Speaker 2: super economical and you don't get whacked with straight ev
Speaker 2: kind of taxes and things.
Speaker 3: I think, see what happens with that, because there's some
Speaker 3: really good hybrids on the market at the moment where
Speaker 3: you use electric for the first forty kilometer speed, So
Speaker 3: if you're in low traffic, you could potentially be running
Speaker 3: off electric for the entire time, which is great, stuffs,
Speaker 3: fumes and all the rest of it, and then you
Speaker 3: kick into the petrol engine once you're on the highway.
Speaker 2: Well, can I say that that is exactly what I have,
Speaker 2: despite TIFF's assault on my manlihood about the Suzuki, And
Speaker 2: like I get in my hybrid fourteen hundred kilometers per tach.
Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome. Yeah, that's you.
Speaker 2: Could drive to Sydney.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, tell us why are we done with cars?
Speaker 1: Is there anything I'm used?
Speaker 3: Well, I just just I'm not kind of backing the
Speaker 3: government to that degree, and I do I kind of
Speaker 3: agree with it. I think the answer to the question
Speaker 3: someone rhetorically, because no one answered whether they thought it
Speaker 3: was a good idea or not. But fifty one point
Speaker 3: six cents per liter of fuel at the bowser goes
Speaker 3: to the governments, like tax towards the roads. So that's
Speaker 3: the excise, that's what people are contributing towards the roads.
Speaker 3: Every time you put a leader of petrol in whatever
Speaker 3: you've paid for it. I think I paid nearly two
Speaker 3: dollars a leader the other day, but about fifty one
Speaker 3: that is going toward road use.
Speaker 2: I regularly pay over two dollars.
Speaker 1: What do you put in yours?
Speaker 4: Kerosene ninety eight? No, I only ever use ninety eight.
Speaker 2: All right, it's dearer than that down here quite often?
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, I think it was under two dollars.
Speaker 3: It has been over it, but very rarely is it
Speaker 3: for two dollars.
Speaker 2: What are starlink doing? What are they what are they
Speaker 2: hitting their users up for?
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: They're not hitting their users, they're hitting their non users.
Speaker 4: Jessah went with.
Speaker 1: That, Ah to Chay.
Speaker 3: So what starlink are doing is for a long time,
Speaker 3: you know, people who have the mobile Starlink who go
Speaker 3: caravanning will open up an account, they get to the hardware,
Speaker 3: and then when they're not using it, they just suspend
Speaker 3: their account. Now starlink is saying, well, if you want
Speaker 3: to suspend your account and put it on hold. We're
Speaker 3: going to start charging you a fee to put it
Speaker 3: on hold.
Speaker 4: It's in a sleeper mode to not use it.
Speaker 2: What the that seems like a bad PR move?
Speaker 4: You know it does.
Speaker 3: And they're talking so if you want to pause your service,
Speaker 3: they're talking about five bucks.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I think this is Australian in terms of the five dollars,
Speaker 3: but it may be US five dollars. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: because it's a funny situation because starlink, even though it's
Speaker 3: based in the US, it's kind of based everywhere because
Speaker 3: the satellites are everywhere. But I thought, yeah, right, so
Speaker 3: they're kind of they're upgrading their fors mode to include
Speaker 3: what they call a standby mode.
Speaker 4: You know when you put your.
Speaker 3: TV on standby, so it comes on quicker when you
Speaker 3: they're doing with starlink, and they're charging you for it.
Speaker 2: This one is This next one is very interesting to
Speaker 2: me because I've been looking at my farm ever since
Speaker 2: I read it.
Speaker 1: You know what it is?
Speaker 3: I do tell us, Craig, you tell us what it's about.
Speaker 2: Study links thumb length to brain size and cognition. I've
Speaker 2: got to say I don't have overwhelmingly large thumbs. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're diminutive. But so what are we saying
Speaker 2: there's a correlation between bigger thumbs. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, I said thumbs, bigger thumbs and bigger brain
Speaker 2: and cognitive capacity. Is that what we're saying?
Speaker 3: And I just say that if the three of us
Speaker 3: put our thumbs up and measured them, we would not
Speaker 3: be able to pick the smartest person in the room.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me.
Speaker 3: Dispel that myth right now, that's good. We're talking on
Speaker 3: an evolutionary scale, So we compare ourselves to other primates
Speaker 3: and animals that have opposable thumbs. There seems to be
Speaker 3: and we're talking also about Neanderthals and other primates that
Speaker 3: may have since gone by the way of the Dodo.
Speaker 3: But what it effectively means is they think that there
Speaker 3: is a link to the neo cortex, and that's the
Speaker 3: part of the brain about well you know better than me,
Speaker 3: linked to higher thinking, and they reckon that it has
Speaker 3: something to do with the length of the thumb, or
Speaker 3: there seems to be some sort of parallel with that
Speaker 3: when they start looking through brain brain size and so it's.
Speaker 2: Over evolutionarily, as thumbs have gotten bigger, cognitive capacity has improved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So this kind of neo cortex connection and
Speaker 3: the cognition and sensory processing, it seems to be linked
Speaker 3: to the length of the thumb. I thought you'd find
Speaker 3: that interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I also find detecting Alzheimer's early via
Speaker 2: a three minute test if it's accurate and it works, yeah,
Speaker 2: very very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was really close to home for me with
Speaker 3: mum having had early on set Alzheimer's, and this is tests.
Speaker 4: That are being done in Bath in the UK. I've
Speaker 4: been to Bath.
Speaker 3: My god, if you ever go anywhere in the UK,
Speaker 3: you've got to go to Bath. It's stunning, beautiful, beautiful place.
Speaker 4: Anyway, the Roman baths, all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: But what they're saying at the moment is that they
Speaker 3: think they kind of put this kind of brain scanner
Speaker 3: on you and they start measuring stuff. Because I don't
Speaker 3: know much about it, that's smart. They think they may
Speaker 3: have a better way to detect Alzheimer's. It's very difficult
Speaker 3: because you know, particularly with early onset or if you
Speaker 3: may be genetically disposed to it, it's hard to detect
Speaker 3: because it's so slow, and that's the real problem because
Speaker 3: quite often it may be something that's happened that's caused
Speaker 3: the symptoms to appear a bit more focused. So sometimes
Speaker 3: you know, when you have a trauma in a family
Speaker 3: and then after a period of time they say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: they've bounced back. You know, someone ages over time. Sometimes
Speaker 3: that can be the real first sign for families that
Speaker 3: one of their loved ones actually has Alzheimer's because they're
Speaker 3: so good at masking it. People adapt constantly. The brain's amazing.
Speaker 3: People are fantastic at adapting. So if they're struggling with
Speaker 3: poor memory, they look at ways to maybe write notes down,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the technique they put into place. So
Speaker 3: sometimes it's really, you know, an issue that's happened that
Speaker 3: the family notices for the first time that that loved
Speaker 3: family member isn't recovering as quickly or hasn't bounced back
Speaker 3: as quick and that can be an initial indicator that
Speaker 3: they've got Alzheimer's. So if you can test for this
Speaker 3: before those early symptoms and say okay, there's a possibility,
Speaker 3: you know, you've got members of the family who are
Speaker 3: elderly that have been diagnosed and you want to be
Speaker 3: you know, you want to be tested. That means they
Speaker 3: can have intervention drugs earlier, and which means it could
Speaker 3: stave off the you know, the ravages of Alzheimer's way before,
Speaker 3: and that that could help people quite significantly.
Speaker 2: You know what they're testing or they're using now as
Speaker 2: potential intervention and doing mountains of research on in relation
Speaker 2: to slowing down or preventing Alzheimer's and also as a
Speaker 2: cognitive enhancer in general for the general pop.
Speaker 1: Tiff knows.
Speaker 2: Do you know what it is? Tif that supplement that
Speaker 2: people are using for cognitive improvement these days? Very common
Speaker 2: that we.
Speaker 5: Were talking about the other day that I keep forgetting the.
Speaker 1: Name of creatine. Oh really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, creating like over the counter creatine and not dodgy
Speaker 2: studies like world leading universities, research teams, scientists. It's pretty
Speaker 2: like absolute now, like it's pretty They know that a
Speaker 2: high dose creatine, so like fifteen to twenty grams a
Speaker 2: day versus the kind of what people normally use five
Speaker 2: grams a day, but has shown significant benefits and potential benefits.
Speaker 2: So it's definitely worth just having a look at. Again,
Speaker 2: not a personal recommendation, but it really if it works,
Speaker 2: which I think, like, I take twenty grams a day
Speaker 2: every day and I have for the last few months,
Speaker 2: and it generally helps me with mental acuity and focus
Speaker 2: and also what I call cognitive endurance, like just keeping
Speaker 2: your brain up for like the other day, I had
Speaker 2: to talk for eight hours, and so for eight hours,
Speaker 2: you've got to be pretty fucking one hundred percent switched on.
Speaker 2: So I took creatine before I started, and I took
Speaker 2: Cretein at lunchtime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can we I just there was one other thing
Speaker 3: about this brain wave test. It's called fastball. I just
Speaker 3: mentioned that if people are actually interested, it only takes
Speaker 3: three minutes and they're using an EEG to basically have
Speaker 3: a look at what's you know, for mild cognitive impairment.
Speaker 3: But you know, Creatine's been used in the fitness industry.
Speaker 4: For a long, long, long time.
Speaker 3: So I think one of the good things about that
Speaker 3: is that we certainly know, you know, what the effects
Speaker 3: are on the body after all these years.
Speaker 4: When did you first see it in the fitness industry, right.
Speaker 2: Ah, probably before the turn of the century, probably nineties. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And so it's I was only five TI. If don't
Speaker 2: fucking laugh you were born last century? What are you
Speaker 2: laughing at?
Speaker 5: Just made it sound so long ago.
Speaker 2: Probably, Oh, you know, just after the model t Ford
Speaker 2: was penny Farthing.
Speaker 1: That's rush.
Speaker 2: I bought it from David Jones in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: I just thought of something, what a zeppelin is. She
Speaker 3: probably doesn't know what a penny farthing is either, do
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 4: Oh? Thank god for that.
Speaker 2: That's because she's into bikes.
Speaker 5: Penny Farthings.
Speaker 3: Can you describe Simmons?
Speaker 4: Can you describe a penny Farthing?
Speaker 3: Well, I hope I've got it right.
Speaker 5: They're the ones with the really massive back wheel and
Speaker 5: the tiny little front one.
Speaker 1: Who is the other way around?
Speaker 3: That's okay, we're close close enough that works and the
Speaker 3: pedals on the big wheel.
Speaker 1: Come on, chat, we've got eight minutes. Do your best work.
Speaker 2: City of Hobart trials AI software to clamp down on
Speaker 2: authorized short stay a com ready says go.
Speaker 3: This has become a really big thing in a lot
Speaker 3: of places because in Hobart if you have short term accommodation,
Speaker 3: they slug you with double the rates. So they're trying
Speaker 3: to get a slice of the pie. And I mean
Speaker 3: there's a lot of arguments too, that that's part of
Speaker 3: our housing problem that people aren't renting houses.
Speaker 4: They're just using it for short stay accommodation on.
Speaker 3: Airbnb, but a lot of people don't claim it, and
Speaker 3: so what they're using is they're use in the city
Speaker 3: of Hobart's using AI to scan I guess the traditional
Speaker 3: areas of advertising, looking at like you know, Airbnb, and
Speaker 3: if they see a house popping up on a regular basis,
Speaker 3: then they just correlate that to their database and see
Speaker 3: is that person registered to have their house on Airbnb
Speaker 3: or as a short stay and if they're not, they're
Speaker 3: slugging them with the fee.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. You know. It feels like whenever anyone does
Speaker 2: something where they can not scam the government but work,
Speaker 2: then the current laws or rules to go, oh, we
Speaker 2: could do this, this would make more money as soon
Speaker 2: as anyone. It's like a lot of people bought evs
Speaker 2: to save money right once, and then the government's like, nah,
Speaker 2: we're going to put impose a levy on you because
Speaker 2: you don't buy petrol and we make money from petrol,
Speaker 2: So because you're not buying petrol, we're going to charge
Speaker 2: you for this. I mean, it seems it seems very
Speaker 2: hard to actually cut a brake, because as soon as
Speaker 2: you figure out a way that you can, within the
Speaker 2: laws and rules, do something that's financially beneficial for you,
Speaker 2: someone's going to figure it out and then figure out
Speaker 2: a way to penalize the thing that you're now doing.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it just got me thinking, I don't
Speaker 3: know what I didn't think about this before, Craigo. If
Speaker 3: you're if the current tax is fifty one points something
Speaker 3: since per liter of fuel, and you start to apply
Speaker 3: that same formula to electric cars, that could be crippling
Speaker 3: to those people. You know, people who've scrimped and saved
Speaker 3: and got leases on cars and suddenly you're going to
Speaker 3: hit them up. I mean, that could be quite a
Speaker 3: lot of money if they're try I mean, they couldn't
Speaker 3: do a one to one parody with petrol cars.
Speaker 2: Sure, and you think about, like, sorry, mate, the bottom
Speaker 2: the bottom of the mill or still a very very
Speaker 2: good car. But the Tesla three now you're still going
Speaker 2: to pay sixty grand for that, and that's your bottom
Speaker 2: of the range versus say a Toyota Corolla, which is comparable,
Speaker 2: but petrol you're going to pay maybe thirty grand. So
Speaker 2: your point of entry is double the price. But you go, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pay double because I'm going to save
Speaker 2: so much money in not using combustible fuel, you know.
Speaker 2: But then they go, nah, you're not using fuel, so
Speaker 2: we're missing out on the money that you're not spending
Speaker 2: on fuel.
Speaker 1: So now we're going to.
Speaker 2: Tax you for this when you just paid sixty grand
Speaker 2: for an electric Corolla.
Speaker 3: Well, a friend of mine lives down the road. Just
Speaker 3: when I was getting my first new car, which was
Speaker 3: the hybrid the Manaster, she was looking for a new
Speaker 3: car at the same time, and she decided to go
Speaker 3: for a secondhand and leaf and so buying a second
Speaker 3: vehicle because she couldn't afford to buy a.
Speaker 4: New electric car.
Speaker 3: It's got a limited range, but she'll be slugged exactly
Speaker 3: the same price as someone else with a one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty thousand dollars Mercedes Electric if as a road
Speaker 3: user and it does open up, you know, how do
Speaker 3: you encourage people to go electric if sudden they are
Speaker 3: going to be slugged with a really big bill. I'm
Speaker 3: really going to watch this one with a lot of
Speaker 3: interest to see what they decide to hit people up
Speaker 3: for because I'm really in two minds about it. I
Speaker 3: think we've got to be able to keep our roads
Speaker 3: in order. So I get that, I understand it, but
Speaker 3: I think they're going to really temper how much they
Speaker 3: try to rip people for well.
Speaker 2: And also when you go there's all of these people
Speaker 2: driven by values, morals, ethics, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: who are going, I'm actually buying an electric car mainly
Speaker 2: because of the benefit to the environment. And then they
Speaker 2: go and by the way, now you've got.
Speaker 3: To pay this, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think, actually, when ev sales incentivized by the government,
Speaker 2: wasn't there a five thousand dollars bonus for some period
Speaker 2: of time for buying one? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: And I mean you mentioned the environmental impact, But there'd
Speaker 3: be a lot of people out there who've bought an
Speaker 3: electric car because it's going to save the money in
Speaker 3: the long term. They look at how much that's going
Speaker 3: to cost them in fuel over twelve months post five
Speaker 3: dollars to charge up the vehicle, and if you've got solar,
Speaker 3: potentially it could cost you nothing to charge the if
Speaker 3: you're in a slow trickle charge. And now suddenly, where
Speaker 3: do you go with that? Because you're now try your
Speaker 3: incentivizing people from doing it from a cost perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, sorry, I just I'm interested in this next one,
Speaker 2: Gemini's arrival on our geminis like, is that Google's version
Speaker 2: of AI?
Speaker 3: That's I am so excited about this. I am the
Speaker 3: side myself with excitement. So people who have smart homes
Speaker 3: who are using Google, Yeah, I know my voice can
Speaker 3: go up as high as when I took about Tiff,
Speaker 3: but it's still pretty excited. So with home speakers and
Speaker 3: home automation at the moment, people who use Google. So
Speaker 3: there's Alexa, which is the Amazon one, Siri which is
Speaker 3: kind of out there but not out there as much,
Speaker 3: and then you've got Google Home. So Google Home currently
Speaker 3: uses a basic form of Google interaction where I might say, hey, Google,
Speaker 3: turn on the lights. And now Google's just heard me,
Speaker 3: and every light in my house has just turned on?
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 4: Did you hear that?
Speaker 3: Google was just asking me which lights I wanted to
Speaker 3: turn on? So because it heard what I said, and
Speaker 3: everybody else who's listening who's got Google Home Automation, I've
Speaker 3: just turned on all their lights as well. They've got
Speaker 3: their speaker. Go sorry about that, guys. But at the moment,
Speaker 3: it's very limited interaction now, so what Google wants to
Speaker 3: do is incorporate Gemini to make the conversation a lot
Speaker 3: more interactive. And it may be a case of I
Speaker 3: want to turn on the lights in my bedroom, but
Speaker 3: Google might come back and say, well, do you want
Speaker 3: me to turn the stair lights on as well? And
Speaker 3: the lights on downstairs because it knows that generally the
Speaker 3: pattern is I turn my bedroom lights on first, I
Speaker 3: get changed, get ready for Jim, and then go downstairs.
Speaker 3: But because it knows that's that's the usual process, it
Speaker 3: may prompt me and say, oh, do you want me
Speaker 3: to turn the stair lights on on the downstairs lights
Speaker 3: at the same time, So it talks about a much
Speaker 3: more human interaction.
Speaker 4: I know that do you use claud Is that what
Speaker 4: you used? Craigo?
Speaker 1: I use Chat, GPT pro and Claude.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, sope. The type of conversational interactions has not
Speaker 3: been there for the Google Home speakers, and that's what
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to, having more of a conversation or
Speaker 3: more natural interactions with those Google Home orders, and that's
Speaker 3: hopefully going to be rolled out later this year, which
Speaker 3: sounds pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: And so that's is that one of those things that's
Speaker 2: like a physical thing that sits on a bench and
Speaker 2: you can just talk to it.
Speaker 3: Well, it sits on beside my bed, it sits in
Speaker 3: the lounge room, it sits in my kitchen, it sits
Speaker 3: in my office. Basically, Google just minus as everything I'm doing,
Speaker 3: and I'm carrying one in my pocket.
Speaker 1: You can, I ask, so how big are these things?
Speaker 3: Like a small Google Home speaker would fit in the
Speaker 3: palm of your hand. It's really tiny, the size of
Speaker 3: a cup, a little bit wider, but just flat, like
Speaker 3: you know, it's really smart, like a.
Speaker 2: Hockey puck, which is not a good analogy for a
Speaker 2: non sporting person.
Speaker 3: A little bit bigger than a hockey puck. But yes,
Speaker 3: that's lawless speakers. Two larger ones that have you know,
Speaker 3: can be quite robust and larger bass sounds and all
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And it's not just those, you know,
Speaker 3: there's lots of other devices smart a lot of smart
Speaker 3: smart speakers now incorporate this as well. So and I've
Speaker 3: got a Google Mesh system which is the retransmitting of
Speaker 3: my WiFi. So because I have quite a large house,
Speaker 3: and my studio spaces in the garage. I can use
Speaker 3: my Google Mesh to create a larger footprint for my WiFi,
Speaker 3: and each of those Google Mesh speakers, each of those
Speaker 3: are also a Google speaker as well as a rebroadcaster
Speaker 3: of my WiFi. So quite often people who have I mean,
Speaker 3: you have the same problem with your Wi Fi around
Speaker 3: your place because of the way that it's set up.
Speaker 3: You find that there are little pockets of areas in
Speaker 3: your house that don't get good Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: My WiFi is shit. I've been using my phone WiFi
Speaker 2: for the last three weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if you can create a Mesh system, which is
Speaker 3: what Google has, it can rebroadcast and triple or quadruple
Speaker 3: the footprint, which is really handy, which is what I've done.
Speaker 3: But you also get the smart speaker technology built into
Speaker 3: those as well.
Speaker 1: All right, you've got two minutes for our last story.
Speaker 2: Then, for the first time, maybe in history, we've gone
Speaker 2: through every one of your stories.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's pretty close. So a thirty seven
Speaker 3: year old guy, this was reported recently. He went to
Speaker 3: chat GPT. He had a sore throat and he went
Speaker 3: to chat CHEAPT and then months later doctors found out
Speaker 3: that he actually had cancer, and chat gept said, Nah,
Speaker 3: you haven't got cancer. You're fine. It's just a sore throat,
Speaker 3: you know. Just suck on a lifesaver or something. No,
Speaker 3: it's just jog it out. Yeah, jog it out, mate,
Speaker 3: You'll be fine. So I guess the moral of the story.
Speaker 3: And I know we've said this before. Don't rely on
Speaker 3: medical diagnosis by chat GPT.
Speaker 4: Please don't.
Speaker 1: I had chat chat GPT.
Speaker 2: He never tells you to suck on a lifesaver because
Speaker 2: that could be a very different outcome.
Speaker 1: But anyway, not.
Speaker 3: In the middle of country Victoria, it might have been easier.
Speaker 1: Did what do you got going on this weekend?
Speaker 5: Oh? I don't know, Halps, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Just take it easy, take it easy.
Speaker 5: Take it easy.
Speaker 2: Just you and you a shock of redhair. Just walk
Speaker 2: past a building site and see how you go.
Speaker 5: Just mingle with the concrete is downstairs.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: Do you want to catch up and we'll go take
Speaker 4: Fritzy and Luna for a walk? Oh? Yes, see that.
Speaker 5: I have to be today, though I work tomorrow, I
Speaker 5: can do it today. There we go, we'll get married.
Speaker 2: Fucking fuck what are you? Both you and my dogs.
Speaker 4: I'm just raising my social life.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
Speaker 5: If anyone's not busy today or tomorrow, Patrick needs some friends.
Speaker 3: But Patrick needs a disparate desperate, aren't I. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to even more.
Speaker 2: Patrick, tell everyone about you about me?
Speaker 4: Well, I think they've basically got it all now.
Speaker 3: Now if they want to contact me, just go to
Speaker 3: websites NOOW dot com today you and we can have
Speaker 3: a chat about what is happening with your Google business profile.
Speaker 2: Perfect. Thank you, Patrick, thank you, Thanks, Thanks listeners,